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Most CONVINCING alien abduction The Travis Walton story · Crime and Horror

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Speaker 1: Many people have claimed over the years to have been
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Speaker 1: abducted by aliens, and realistically, there's no tangible evidence that
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Speaker 1: any human being has ever actually set foot in an
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Speaker 1: extraterrestrial spacecraft or another dimension or anything like that. It's
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Speaker 1: just these crazy stories from people that claim this happened
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Speaker 1: to them. And while many of these stories are very
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Speaker 1: quickly cast aside as absolute hoax, you know, not true,
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Speaker 1: not accurate. There's one story, one abduction story that is
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Speaker 1: universally regarded as the most believable and most famous alien
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Speaker 1: abduction story, and that is of Travis Walton.
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Speaker 2: What made this case so famous is that, unlike.
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Speaker 1: All of the other alien abduction cases where there was
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Speaker 1: never any proof, it was usually one person's first hand account,
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Speaker 1: in this case, you have a full scale police investigation.
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Speaker 1: You have up to sixteen lie detector tests that were
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Speaker 1: taken by Travis Walton himself along with the other witnesses
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Speaker 1: and people that were there. And you have a group
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Speaker 1: of six level headed guys that actually witnessed the abduction
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Speaker 1: take place and have stuck to their story and have
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Speaker 1: passed all lie detector tests and.
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Speaker 2: Have never changed their story in forty years.
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Speaker 1: And you would think that at some point you might
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Speaker 1: change your story because they came under incredible scrutiny. I
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Speaker 1: mean it basically derailed most of their careers in their
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Speaker 1: lives because they were labeled as crazy people for believing
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Speaker 1: that a UFO had abducted Travis Walton.
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Speaker 2: I mean in a way, they became famous, but in
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Speaker 2: all the worst ways.
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Speaker 1: So you have all these elements that make this story
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Speaker 1: seem fairly credible. And even if this wasn't an alien abduction,
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Speaker 1: let's say, how do you account for the past lie
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Speaker 1: detector tests that are talking about UFOs? How do you
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Speaker 1: account for the fact that Travis Walton was really missing
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Speaker 1: for five days and has no idea where he was
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Speaker 1: and there was a full search effort to find him
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Speaker 1: in the area where he would have been, so lots
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Speaker 1: of unanswered questions. But the story itself of when he
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Speaker 1: was actually abducted, and then his own story about what
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Speaker 1: happened once he had been abducted, it makes for just
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Speaker 1: an incredible story. It's been converted into books and movies,
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Speaker 1: and to this day it remains one of, if not
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Speaker 1: the single most fascinating purported alien abduction stories ever. But
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Speaker 2: All right, let's dive into the story.
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Speaker 1: By nineteen seventy five, Travis Walton, who was twenty two
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Speaker 1: years old at the time, had developed a bad boy
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Speaker 1: reputation in his hometown of Snowflake, Arizona. You know, he
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Speaker 1: rode a noisy Harley Davidson motorcycle through town. He was
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Speaker 1: a wild bull rider, and he was a boxer. And
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Speaker 1: there was a story about Travis when he was with
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Speaker 1: his friends in a car and they were driving down
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Speaker 1: this road and a bear jumped out of the woods
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Speaker 1: and landed in the middle of the road. It was
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Speaker 1: just standing there, and Travis, without any hesitation, leaps out
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Speaker 1: of his car and chases after this huge bear and
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Speaker 1: scarce it into the woods and in fact chased it
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Speaker 1: up into the woods. So Travis was just known as
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Speaker 1: this kind of rebel, you know, problem child a little bit,
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Speaker 1: but he.
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Speaker 2: Was beloved by his friends.
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Speaker 1: He was just like one of those cool guys that
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Speaker 1: just he did it his own way. So Travis and
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Speaker 1: the six other men that he worked with were loggers.
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Speaker 2: They were given contracts and they would go out and
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Speaker 2: they would clear trees in a certain area. They were
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Speaker 2: not big time with huge equipment to do this.
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Speaker 1: We're talking Shane Saw's you know saw and regular saws
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Speaker 1: and axes, and they would just go out, you know,
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Speaker 1: these blue collar, like hard working type guys, and they
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Speaker 1: would clear areas of trees. That's what they did. Now,
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Speaker 1: these seven men, they did a dangerous job. I mean
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Speaker 1: you're cutting down these huge trees and you're usually working
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Speaker 1: pretty quickly. You know, you're operating you know, chainsaws that
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Speaker 1: are pretty dangerous. And Mike Rogers, who was the crew
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Speaker 1: boss who's there the day of this event, he described
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Speaker 1: in a number of his interviews that, you know, the
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Speaker 1: men that he hired to do these jobs, they needed
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Speaker 1: to be incredibly level headed. It did not strike you
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Speaker 1: as people that would have this fantastical, you know, alien
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Speaker 1: encounter story on November fifth, nineteen seventy five, Mike Rodgers
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Speaker 1: was given a contract to clear out this huge twelve
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Speaker 1: hundred acre plot of land inside of the Sitgreaves National Forest.
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Speaker 2: And he grabbed his crew.
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Speaker 1: They piled into the one pickup truck that Mike owned,
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Speaker 1: and Mike knew that this was going to be a really,
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Speaker 1: really difficult job. It was a huge area to cover,
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Speaker 1: and he told his men up front, we're gonna be
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Speaker 1: working really really hard, so expect long, full days. And
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Speaker 1: so over the first three days of the job, even
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Speaker 1: though they were working long, long hours and barely taking
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Speaker 1: any breaks, they were behind schedule.
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Speaker 2: At the end of this third day, it's late at night.
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Speaker 1: They've worked all day, and everybody's just totally exhausted, and
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Speaker 1: so finally they wrap up and they all pile back
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Speaker 1: into Mike's truck, all seven of them, and they start
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Speaker 1: driving the access road back down to the main road
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Speaker 1: to get back to the town.
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Speaker 2: And as they're driving, they're not really talking about work
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Speaker 2: at all. They're kind of joking about what they're going
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Speaker 2: to do that night.
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Speaker 1: And as they're driving down the road and again it's
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Speaker 1: heavily forested, they look off to the right and there
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Speaker 1: is some lights in the forest. They would say in
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Speaker 1: interviews that they all noticed it, but it did not
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Speaker 1: stand out as anything particularly bad.
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Speaker 2: It just could be anything. They weren't thinking about it.
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Speaker 2: But as they were driving down.
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Speaker 1: This road and this light I guess got brighter, or
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Speaker 1: maybe they just they couldn't help but notice it. They
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Speaker 1: all started commenting on this light and they're looking at it,
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Speaker 1: and somebody suggested that, oh, it's probably just the moon.
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Speaker 2: You know, it's a full moon.
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Speaker 1: But then one of the guys on the other side
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Speaker 1: of the truck happened to look out his side away
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Speaker 1: from where that light was, and he goes, no, the
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Speaker 1: moon's over here.
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Speaker 2: It's on this side of the road. So they okay,
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Speaker 2: it's not the moon.
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Speaker 1: And then someone suggested, oh, well, maybe it's a forest fire,
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Speaker 1: like maybe we should go check it out.
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Speaker 2: That could be a forest fire.
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Speaker 1: But then Mike Rogers, the driver the crew bosses like, no,
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Speaker 1: there'd be smoke. There's no smoke or anything. And Travis,
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Speaker 1: who you know, he's the guy that's jumping out of
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Speaker 1: cars to go chase down bears, and he's like a
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Speaker 1: total kind of adrenaline junkie type. He's like, hey, let's
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Speaker 1: just drive over there and see what it is. Like,
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Speaker 1: I don't know, it could be anything, let's go check
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Speaker 1: it out. The guys in the truck were a little
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Speaker 1: on edge about it, but ultimately said, you know, what's
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Speaker 1: the harm We'll drive over. We know there's a road
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Speaker 1: that brings us over to that section of the forest.
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Speaker 1: We'll get a look at whatever this is, and then
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Speaker 1: we'll leave. So they drive down this other little access
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Speaker 1: road and they come to a clearing where these lights were,
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Speaker 1: and they are astounded.
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Speaker 2: At what they see.
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Speaker 1: They were all polygraphed separately about what they saw.
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Speaker 2: When they reached this clearing.
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Speaker 1: Each of them described the same thing with slightly different
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Speaker 1: details because it's from their own perspective, and the polygraph
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Speaker 1: tests all showed that they were telling the truth. They
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Speaker 1: saw this disc shaped craft with what looked like panels
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Speaker 1: of lights on the underside, hovering and clearing maybe fifty
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Speaker 1: or one hundred feet off the ground, not spinning or anything,
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Speaker 1: just floating in mid airs as if it was suspended,
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Speaker 1: and the men in their interviews later on on TV
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Speaker 1: shows and books, they would say what struck them was
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Speaker 1: not just the fact that there's this craft here, but
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Speaker 1: how bizarre it was to see this thing defying gravity.
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Speaker 1: It's not moving, but it's hovering over the air, and
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Speaker 1: it's right in front of us. And one of the
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Speaker 1: men even commented at length because he was actually he
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Speaker 1: would build houses and he's a handy guy, and he
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Speaker 1: started talking about the structural framework of this craft. He
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Speaker 1: could see that there was really impressive engineering on the
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Speaker 1: underside of this craft. It was just a beautiful, beautiful machine.
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Speaker 1: And they're looking at it, and Travis is so excited.
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Speaker 1: When they get to this clearing. He doesn't even know
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Speaker 1: what he's looking at. But much like the bear where
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Speaker 1: he jumps out and chases the bear. As soon as
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Speaker 1: they were almost at a stop in this clearing, right
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Speaker 1: next to the ship, he's jumping out of the car.
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Speaker 1: Nobody else is just Travis and he starts walking just
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Speaker 1: a little ways away from the car towards this craft.
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Speaker 2: The craft doesn't move.
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Speaker 1: The craft is maybe from where they parked, maybe fifty
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Speaker 1: or one hundred feet away from them, and then fifty
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Speaker 1: or one hundred feet in the air, and the crew
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Speaker 1: doesn't say anything. They're just dumbfounded by what they're looking at.
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Speaker 1: Travis is also dumbfounded, but he's walking towards the ship,
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Speaker 1: and he would say in an interview that he was frightened,
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Speaker 1: but he was mostly curious. He knew he was looking
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Speaker 1: at something that no one knew what it was, some
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Speaker 1: sort of craft. They didn't know what it was, but
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Speaker 1: it was fascinating to him, and he kept walking closer
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Speaker 1: and closer and closer to it. And as the crew
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Speaker 1: kind of came out of their initial shock of seeing
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Speaker 1: this unidentified flying object in the sky, they start yelling
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Speaker 1: for Travis to come back. They had this bad sense
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Speaker 1: that something was gonna happen, and.
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Speaker 2: They thought you shouldn't go near it, like come back,
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Speaker 2: not to mention it's hovering in the air.
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Speaker 1: What if it falls and it lands on you, Like, hey, Travis,
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Speaker 1: come back over here. And then it was like, once
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Speaker 1: one person started yelling for Travis to come back, they
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Speaker 1: all did. And so Travis remembered hearing them screaming for
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Speaker 1: him to come back to the car, but he's not
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Speaker 1: really paying any attention. He's still walking, and finally he
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Speaker 1: stops and he's just looking at it.
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Speaker 2: And Travis would say he was.
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Speaker 1: Just struck at just the beauty of the underside of
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Speaker 1: this craft with all these different panels of lights built
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Speaker 1: into it. It was this incredible piece of machinery and
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Speaker 1: he's looking at it, and then all of a sudden,
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Speaker 1: it starts spinning just a little bit, and it starts
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Speaker 1: emitting this noise that all of them reported hearing this
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Speaker 1: loud mechanical sound. And now the yells from the crew
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Speaker 1: are getting louder and louder, and Travis would say that
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Speaker 1: he knew he needed to turn around and go back,
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Speaker 1: but he just wanted to look for a few more seconds,
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Speaker 1: and he was about to turn and go back to
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Speaker 1: the truck when all of a sudden, a beam of
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Speaker 1: light comes out and strikes Travis like a lightning strike.
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Speaker 1: And all of the crew saw this happen. He gets
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Speaker 1: blown twenty feet away, like he gets lifted off the
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Speaker 1: ground and thrown twenty feet and they watched it happen
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Speaker 1: and again in all of their polygraph tests, they all
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Speaker 1: said the same thing all past. He was hit by
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Speaker 1: a ray of light from this UFO knock through twenty
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Speaker 1: feet back. Mike Rogers in a panic along with everybody else,
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Speaker 1: and the crew they just decide to leave.
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Speaker 2: And they're convincing themselves are as.
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Speaker 1: Mike is driving away like a maniac, leaving Travis behind.
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Speaker 1: They're convincing themselves that he's dead already. We just watched
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Speaker 1: him get shot by something. We don't know what that is.
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Speaker 1: And they're they're freaked out. They don't even know what
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Speaker 1: they saw. They're crying, they're hysterical. These are grown men,
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Speaker 1: just absolutely terrified, and they're driving a little ways until
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Speaker 1: finally Mike just hit the brakes and he stops, and
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Speaker 1: Mike is like, we have to go back for him.
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Speaker 1: He was like, if you guys want to stay here
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Speaker 1: and wait for me, that's fine, but this truck is
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Speaker 1: going back to get Travis. And so the idea of
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Speaker 1: waiting out in the open after seeing what they just
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Speaker 1: saw was.
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Speaker 2: Even worse than going back.
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Speaker 1: They wanted to stay together, so a little bit begrudgingly,
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Speaker 1: although they knew they needed to, they all got back
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Speaker 1: in the truck, turned around and started driving back up
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Speaker 1: to the UFO site. As they make it back up,
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Speaker 1: they noticed that there is no lights up there. The
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Speaker 1: craft is gone, and there's no Travis. And they get
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Speaker 1: out and now Mike is uncontrollably crying because he feels
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Speaker 1: like they just abandoned him and where did he go?
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Speaker 1: Everybody else is in shock. They can't believe it. They
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Speaker 1: start screaming for Travis. They're running around the woods yelling
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Speaker 1: for Travis, looking for signs of Travis. They really don't
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Speaker 1: know what happened, but they know Travis is not here,
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Speaker 1: and after a little bit of time of looking, they're like,
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Speaker 1: we have to tell the police. And they knew that
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Speaker 1: it was going to be bad for them when they
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Speaker 1: told police. The story is a UFO came and zapped
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Speaker 1: Travis and now he's gone. That doesn't really sit well
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Speaker 1: with police, but they knew because they wanted to find
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Speaker 1: Travis and they were very concerned about their friend, they
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Speaker 1: knew they had to tell police. Mike and a few
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Speaker 1: of the crew were just unable to even think.
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Speaker 2: They were crying.
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Speaker 1: They were upset, and so finally they get to a payphone.
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Speaker 1: This the first pay phone they saw, this nineteen seventy five.
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Speaker 1: And Ken Peterson, who was this very kind of simple,
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Speaker 1: matter of fact guy, you know, recently married, you know,
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Speaker 1: just very simple guy, very.
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Speaker 2: Level headed guy.
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Speaker 1: He decides to call the police because he's the only
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Speaker 1: one who is I guess composed enough to do it,
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Speaker 1: and so he calls the sheriff's apartment and he says,
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Speaker 1: you got to come out here.
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Speaker 2: You know, we can't find our friend Travis Walton.
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Speaker 1: We'll have to describe it to you when you get here,
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Speaker 1: because trying to do it over the phone is not
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Speaker 1: going to do it justice.
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Speaker 2: But he's gone and we don't know where he went.
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Speaker 1: So shortly thereafter, Sheriff Marlon Gillespie and Ken Coplan, their partners,
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Speaker 1: they show up at this rest stop where this payphone
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Speaker 1: was and they get to the scene, they see Ken
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Speaker 1: Peterson who made the call to them, and they're like,
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Speaker 1: all right, tell us what's going on.
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Speaker 2: The crew has now gotten out of the truck.
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Speaker 1: They look distraught for sure, and Ken begins to try
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Speaker 1: to describe what happened.
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Speaker 2: But he hasn't said UFO, he hasn't said aliens. He
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Speaker 2: just said, you know, we were up at the logging site.
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Speaker 1: We had a contract up there, and then you know,
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Speaker 1: just it's hard to describe. And Mike Rogers jumps and
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Speaker 1: he's like, we saw a UFO and a ray of
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Speaker 1: light hit Travis and then he disappeared. And the sheriffs
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Speaker 1: are looking at them like really, and so they stopped
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Speaker 1: them and were like, all right, I need to search
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Speaker 1: your truck to make sure you guys aren't under the
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Speaker 1: influence of something.
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Speaker 2: And they're like, we haven't done anything. We haven't, We've
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Speaker 2: been working all day.
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Speaker 1: They search truck, nothing, They check each of them to
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Speaker 1: see if they're sober, and their field test show they
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Speaker 1: were all sober. And the Sheriff Gillespie, who is the
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Speaker 1: overall in charge sheriff, even though he was a total skeptic,
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Speaker 1: and so was Sheriff Coplan as well, he would say
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Speaker 1: about that first engagement with the six crew members that
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Speaker 1: they were obviously shaken up by something. Something had happened.
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Speaker 1: They don't know what it was, but they were shaken up.
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Speaker 2: And what Sheriff Gillespie believed was that they were creating
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Speaker 2: a hoax to cover up a real crime.
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Speaker 1: He believed that they had harmed Travis Walton and they
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Speaker 1: were using a UFO to cover it up. But he
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Speaker 1: also was thinking to himself, like, this is a bad hoax.
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Speaker 1: It's not very well planned. They don't really have their
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Speaker 1: stories really lined up particularly well. They're not doing a
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Speaker 1: good job explaining it. The only thing they're doing well
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Speaker 1: is acting scared. A couple hours later, the sun starting
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Speaker 1: to come up because it was super late when all
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Speaker 1: this happened, and Sheriff Gillespie and Sheriff Coplan have organized
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Speaker 1: this huge search effort up in the forest where Travis
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Speaker 1: had gone missing, and the crew members they're all there
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Speaker 1: as well.
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Speaker 2: A bunch of volunteers showed up and they are scouring
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Speaker 2: the area.
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Speaker 1: I mean, they've got dogs out, they got these huge
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Speaker 1: teams looking everywhere, and they can't come up with anything.
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Speaker 2: I mean they're looking everywhere.
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Speaker 1: There's no sign, there's nothing, there's nothing from Travis. And
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Speaker 1: so while this is all going on, Sheriff Coplan and
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Speaker 1: Sheriff Gillespie have started coming over to Mike Rodgers and
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Speaker 1: the rest of the crew and being like, hey, if
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Speaker 1: you just tell us where Travis Walton's body is, Like we'll.
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Speaker 2: Go easy on you guys, like we know you did it.
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Speaker 1: And they can feel that the pressure is really mounting
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Speaker 1: that they don't find Travis, even though they didn't do
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Speaker 1: anything according to their story, they're gonna face serious repercussions
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Speaker 1: because that's the way.
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Speaker 2: The world works.
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Speaker 1: You don't get to say aliens did this and not
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Speaker 1: have anything any blame placed on you because there's no proof.
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Speaker 2: They just have their own eyewitness testimony, that's it.
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Speaker 1: And so the crew has started to become very worried
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Speaker 1: about what's going to happen. They're worried about Travis, of course,
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Speaker 1: but they're starting to see that like they're gonna be
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Speaker 1: prosecuted for this unless they find Travis. And so they're
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Speaker 1: all very stressed out. And they noticed during the search
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Speaker 1: this first day of searching, that these three guys wearing
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Speaker 1: red jackets had these tools that were scanning the.
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Speaker 2: Ground, almost like a metal detector.
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Speaker 1: And Mike Rogers he was hoping that during this investigation
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Speaker 1: that they would have people come out that were like
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Speaker 1: paranormal investigators. I guess maybe he was naive to think
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Speaker 1: that the police would actually do that, but he thought,
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Speaker 1: you know, given the fact that we've all said this
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Speaker 1: is a UFO that zapped Travis, who then disappeared, that
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Speaker 1: they would have at least one person representing the kind
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Speaker 1: of paranormal side of the investigation coming out. And so
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Speaker 1: we see these guys in red with their special tools
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Speaker 1: that seem like a metal detector, and his gut says
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Speaker 1: they're paranormal investigators.
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Speaker 2: And so Mike goes over to them and.
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Speaker 1: He's like, hey, what are these tools you guys are doing,
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Speaker 1: Like what is this And they look at him and
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Speaker 1: they're like, oh, well this test for radiation.
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Speaker 2: We're scanning for radiation in the area. And he asked him, like, well,
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Speaker 2: what group are you guys were you with the Sheriff's Apartment,
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Speaker 2: and they just didn't really answer. They said, oh, you know,
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Speaker 2: we're just checking for radiation in the area. That's just
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Speaker 2: what we do.
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Speaker 1: And Mike sees an opportunity because when that ship emitted
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Speaker 1: that ray of light that ultimately blew Travis Walton twenty
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Speaker 1: feet and then you know, evaporated him or something, they
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Speaker 1: were within range of that big ball of lightning and
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Speaker 1: they were very much in the kind of cone where
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Speaker 1: it had there been radiation coming off of that ship,
17:26
Speaker 1: he believed that perhaps they would have been hit with it.
17:30
Speaker 2: And so we asked the guys with the red jackets
17:32
Speaker 2: on and.
17:32
Speaker 1: Their little radiation tools to scan the crew's jackets and
17:36
Speaker 1: bodies to see if they were radioactive. And so the
17:39
Speaker 1: crew comes over and they scan them and there's nothing,
17:42
Speaker 1: no trace elements of radioactivity. They're like, no, there's nothing,
17:47
Speaker 1: And then Mike realizes that from the time they called
17:49
Speaker 1: the sheriff until this search, they had all the crew.
17:52
Speaker 2: Gone home and changed then come out to do the search.
17:55
Speaker 1: And so we thought, well, then, you know, any of
17:57
Speaker 1: the radioactive materials would have been on our clothes, which
17:59
Speaker 1: are here, but we have our hard hats in the
18:02
Speaker 1: back of the truck that were out here the whole time.
18:04
Speaker 1: They were potentially exposed to whatever was out there from
18:07
Speaker 1: the ship.
18:07
Speaker 2: Can you test those?
18:09
Speaker 1: And so he brought over one of their helmets, and
18:11
Speaker 1: the guy in red scans his helmet and the ticker
18:13
Speaker 1: goes all the way over fully radioactive. And the guy
18:18
Speaker 1: in red like looked up at Mike and looked down
18:20
Speaker 1: at the.
18:21
Speaker 2: Helmet and he's scanning it, and he's looking at him
18:23
Speaker 2: like kind of trying to size him up.
18:25
Speaker 1: And then he turns and he kind of gestures at
18:27
Speaker 1: the other two in red and tells him to stop
18:28
Speaker 1: doing what they're doing. And they come over and they're
18:31
Speaker 1: scanning the helmets as well, and then without any indication
18:34
Speaker 1: of what the results were what this meant, because Mike
18:37
Speaker 1: is kind of waiting for them to tell them what's
18:39
Speaker 1: going to happen. The guy's in red just turn around
18:41
Speaker 1: and say okay, and they just start walking.
18:44
Speaker 2: Away and Mike's like, well, wait, what does this mean?
18:47
Speaker 1: And they don't turn around and they just walk away
18:49
Speaker 1: from the search site, and so the other crew watching
18:51
Speaker 1: this happen too, and Mike and the crew are trying
18:55
Speaker 1: to get them to come back, but they're not turning around.
18:56
Speaker 2: They're just leaving. And then they're gone, and so Mike
18:59
Speaker 2: goes over to the sheriffs, who they know.
19:02
Speaker 1: The sheriffs think they took they did something to Travis.
19:05
Speaker 1: These are not their friends, but they figured we needed
19:08
Speaker 1: to ask them who those guys in red were. So
19:10
Speaker 1: they go over to Sheriff Gillespie and they're like, hey,
19:12
Speaker 1: who are those guys in red jackets with the radio
19:15
Speaker 1: with the radiation detectors? And Sheriff Pluspy's like, who, there's
19:19
Speaker 1: no one here looking for radiation. Everyone here is here
19:22
Speaker 1: because I ordered them to be here. Who are they?
19:24
Speaker 1: Where are they? And he's like, well, they just walked
19:26
Speaker 1: over there, They went around the corner there, and Sheriff
19:30
Speaker 1: Puspy was like, well I didn't I didn't order them there.
19:32
Speaker 1: And it would turn out that they couldn't locate these
19:34
Speaker 1: three people. No one knew who they were. Mike went
19:36
Speaker 1: around and asked anybody who seemed like an authority figure
19:39
Speaker 1: if they knew who these people were. They asked people
19:42
Speaker 1: if they had interacted with them, and no one knew.
19:44
Speaker 1: So after this search that goes on for a couple
19:46
Speaker 1: of days turns up nothing. There's no sign of Travis,
19:50
Speaker 1: the town of Snowflake, Arizona really turned on the six
19:54
Speaker 1: crew members. Everybody believed that they had done something to Travis.
19:59
Speaker 1: You know that this the UFO thing was a hoax
20:01
Speaker 1: and that they harmed Travis and they were using this
20:04
Speaker 1: as a cover up, and the sheriff department they really
20:08
Speaker 1: perpetuated that. They were pretty open about this is not
20:11
Speaker 1: a UFO situation.
20:13
Speaker 2: This is not an alien abduction.
20:14
Speaker 1: This is a missing person case, and frankly, we believe
20:18
Speaker 1: the UFO thing.
20:18
Speaker 2: Is a hoax.
20:20
Speaker 1: National and international media had picked this story up and
20:23
Speaker 1: it became this massively viral story all over the world,
20:28
Speaker 1: and news media outlets are converging on Snowflake, Arizona, and
20:32
Speaker 1: they're inundating the Sheriff's department with requests for more information
20:36
Speaker 1: about this alien abduction. And it's really frustrating the two
20:39
Speaker 1: sheriffs who were leading this investigation, Sheriff Gillespie and Sheriff Coplan,
20:43
Speaker 1: and they were already skeptical and really upset about feeling
20:47
Speaker 1: like they were being taken advantage of by these crew members.
20:50
Speaker 1: This hoax, right, that's what they believed it was. And
20:53
Speaker 1: so Sheriff Gillespie and Coplan decides, you know what, We're
20:56
Speaker 1: gonna just cut through all the bs here and we're
20:59
Speaker 1: gonna make these boys take a light detector test. So
21:02
Speaker 1: they go out and get one of the country's best
21:05
Speaker 1: polygraph examiners to come in and administer a light detector
21:08
Speaker 1: test on each of the six crew members, and so,
21:11
Speaker 1: one by one over the course of the day, each
21:13
Speaker 1: crew member was tested for two hours, same questions, all
21:16
Speaker 1: centering on the criminal side, the kind of foul play
21:19
Speaker 1: angle for Travis s Walton. They all go through it,
21:21
Speaker 1: and it turned out that five of the six had
21:25
Speaker 1: all shown that they were telling the truth, and the
21:27
Speaker 1: sixth person it was just inconclusive. It didn't mean that
21:30
Speaker 1: he was lying, It just meant that the test wasn't
21:33
Speaker 1: done very well. And this polygraphic examiner had anywhere from
21:36
Speaker 1: a ninety two to ninety eight percent accuracy rate. He
21:39
Speaker 1: was one of the best in the country. And he
21:41
Speaker 1: even would say, like, it would be so difficult to
21:45
Speaker 1: fake that, to have five people, let's say this is
21:47
Speaker 1: alibig hoax and they harmed Travis Walton, it would be
21:50
Speaker 1: almost impossible to have five people be able to pass
21:54
Speaker 1: my examination and have nobody slip up. They were telling
21:58
Speaker 1: the truth, the examiner tells the sheriff, and the sheriff
22:02
Speaker 1: Sheriff Gillespie is dumbfounded because he believed that they were
22:06
Speaker 1: going to find out they were all lying and that
22:07
Speaker 1: this could just be a pure criminal investigation and it
22:10
Speaker 1: would be let's go find Travis Walton's body. But now
22:14
Speaker 1: the examiners saying they're telling the truth, and so Detective
22:17
Speaker 1: Gillespie and his partner are like, now.
22:19
Speaker 2: What do we do?
22:20
Speaker 1: And then five days after Travis's disappearance, Travis shows back up.
22:25
Speaker 1: During numerous interviews, Travis would say that he remembers waking
22:30
Speaker 1: up on a road and he didn't recognize where he was,
22:33
Speaker 1: but it was nighttime, it was raining, and he sensed
22:37
Speaker 1: a very bright light above him, and so as he's
22:39
Speaker 1: laying he kind of turns his head to look up
22:41
Speaker 1: into the sky and he sees what looks like the
22:44
Speaker 1: underside of that ship, because he remembered how struck he
22:47
Speaker 1: was by the beauty of the kind of engineering underneath
22:51
Speaker 1: that disc ufo they saw in the forest.
22:53
Speaker 2: It looked the same.
22:55
Speaker 1: His his vision was not great, but he's looking up
22:57
Speaker 1: and he's pretty confident that's what he's looking at. And
22:59
Speaker 1: then it flies to the sky and it's gone, and
23:01
Speaker 1: he's left in total darkness on a road in some
23:04
Speaker 1: place he doesn't know, and he remembers standing up and
23:07
Speaker 1: feeling very weak and depleted and dehydrated, and he just
23:11
Speaker 1: knew that he had to get to civilization.
23:13
Speaker 2: He had to just go in a direction and find.
23:16
Speaker 1: Someone who could help him, because he was so weak
23:18
Speaker 1: and he would die out there if he didn't find
23:20
Speaker 1: someone who could help. And so he musters his strength
23:23
Speaker 1: to stand up, and he starts kind of staggering down
23:25
Speaker 1: the road, and eventually, through just adrenaline, he just starts running,
23:29
Speaker 1: and luckily he sees up ahead there is a rest stop,
23:33
Speaker 1: and at rest stops there's payphones, and he makes his
23:36
Speaker 1: way down and he goes to the payphone and he
23:38
Speaker 1: has change in his pocket, still he puts it in
23:40
Speaker 1: the payphone and he ends up calling his brother, and
23:43
Speaker 1: his brother is he can't believe he's talking to Travis,
23:46
Speaker 1: because Travis is probably supposed to be dead at this point.
23:49
Speaker 1: He didn't believe it was Travis. But Travis just said
23:52
Speaker 1: to him over and over again, it's me. They brought
23:54
Speaker 1: me back, and he tells him where he is because
23:56
Speaker 1: now he recognizes that this rest stop is actually in
23:59
Speaker 1: snowflake Eras. When his brother picks him up, Travis would
24:02
Speaker 1: say that he believed that this was just minutes after,
24:07
Speaker 1: you know, the initial abduction. He didn't even know he
24:10
Speaker 1: had been abducted. This is like he's coming too, and
24:12
Speaker 1: he's like, man, what happened? Like I was just over
24:14
Speaker 1: at that that clearing where I saw the ship, and
24:16
Speaker 1: now I'm over here, like what am I doing here?
24:18
Speaker 1: And so Travis's brother is looking at him like where
24:21
Speaker 1: have you been? You know, we've been so worried about
24:23
Speaker 1: you for the past several days.
24:25
Speaker 2: And Travis, who was kind of almost catatonic, you know,
24:28
Speaker 2: he's in shock.
24:28
Speaker 1: He doesn't know what's going on. He looks at his
24:30
Speaker 1: brother and he's like, what do you mean days? And
24:33
Speaker 1: his brother's like, you've been missing for five days. And
24:35
Speaker 1: so Travis would say that when he heard this news,
24:38
Speaker 1: this revelation that he had been missing for five days,
24:42
Speaker 1: it absolutely put him into shock. He was in a
24:45
Speaker 1: like catatonic state where he just he couldn't make sense
24:47
Speaker 1: of it. And so he just sat there quietly and
24:49
Speaker 1: his brother's like looking at him, not really sure what
24:52
Speaker 1: to even ask.
24:52
Speaker 2: He asked a couple of times what happened, and Travis
24:55
Speaker 2: just didn't answer because he didn't know. He couldn't he
24:57
Speaker 2: couldn't explain it.
24:59
Speaker 1: And so Travis, his brother decides, instead of just immediately
25:02
Speaker 1: calling the police, I want to bring you to a
25:04
Speaker 1: hospital because clearly that needs to happen, and frankly, with
25:06
Speaker 1: the media circus, as soon as they find out your back,
25:09
Speaker 1: it's just going to be mayhem. And I want to
25:11
Speaker 1: make sure you're taking care of first.
25:13
Speaker 2: So he drives to Phoenix, Arizona, and he brings him
25:15
Speaker 2: to a hospital and he asked the doctors to be discreet,
25:19
Speaker 2: and he has a doctor to an examination. The doctor
25:22
Speaker 2: knew who Travis.
25:22
Speaker 1: Walden was, even following the news and he's doing an
25:25
Speaker 1: examination of Travis, and you know, he was malnourished, and
25:29
Speaker 1: he was tired and looked very sick, but there was
25:32
Speaker 1: no physical wounds, with the exception of he had one
25:35
Speaker 1: puncture site in his arm and the crook of his arm.
25:38
Speaker 1: Travis was not a drug user, so it wasn't like
25:40
Speaker 1: that was, you know, a mark from using drugs. It
25:43
Speaker 1: was a puncture site, and they assumed someone had recently
25:45
Speaker 1: put a needle in his arm. And also the doctor
25:48
Speaker 1: drug tested him and tested his blood and there was
25:50
Speaker 1: no drugs in his system.
25:51
Speaker 2: It wasn't like he had been using any sort of substance.
25:54
Speaker 1: So he kind of had a clear bill of health
25:57
Speaker 1: minus the injection site and looking pretty rad And so
26:00
Speaker 1: after the examination, Travis's brother brings Travis back to his
26:04
Speaker 1: home in Phoenix, Arizona. As soon as they get back,
26:07
Speaker 1: his home phone is getting constant phone calls. It had
26:11
Speaker 1: made its way to the Sheriff's department back in Snowflake, Arizona,
26:14
Speaker 1: and there non stop calling Travis's brother like, Hey, we
26:18
Speaker 1: hear he's back. We have to talk to him, We
26:20
Speaker 1: have to talk to him, Jerff Gillespie. He drives all
26:22
Speaker 1: the way to Phoenix, he goes in and he sits
26:25
Speaker 1: down to talk to Travis, and Sheriff Gillespie would say
26:28
Speaker 1: that Travis looked like he was in shock. He looked
26:30
Speaker 1: like he had been through something traumatic. It did not
26:33
Speaker 1: seem like he was acting. And he starts asking Travis
26:35
Speaker 1: what happened, and Travis, he does mention the UFO, He
26:39
Speaker 1: mentions seeing this thing and the clearing.
26:41
Speaker 2: You know, he gets struck by some light.
26:44
Speaker 1: He doesn't know what it was, and then you know,
26:46
Speaker 1: he's on the road five days later and he can't
26:49
Speaker 1: really make sense of what happened.
26:51
Speaker 2: He just didn't really know what happened over the five days.
26:54
Speaker 1: And finally Sheriff Gillespie just kind of doesn't really give up.
26:57
Speaker 1: He's like, well, we have no way to arrest him,
27:00
Speaker 1: and that we have no proof of anything, and so
27:02
Speaker 1: we decided we're going to be in touch. And he
27:04
Speaker 1: drives back and then media starts showing up, huge news
27:07
Speaker 1: trucks starts showing up outside. Everybody found out because this
27:11
Speaker 1: was a huge story where he was, and everybody wanted answers. Finally,
27:15
Speaker 1: the National Inquirer they reached out and they said, hey,
27:18
Speaker 1: if you give us an exclusive story, if Travis speaks
27:21
Speaker 1: to us about what happened to him. We will get
27:25
Speaker 1: you out of here or bring you a private location,
27:27
Speaker 1: and we'll even pay to have Travis undergo a whole
27:30
Speaker 1: other battery of tests that are not typically done to
27:33
Speaker 1: see if they could figure out what had happened to him.
27:35
Speaker 1: And so they agree to go with the National Inquirer.
27:38
Speaker 1: So by the time he's actually sitting there looking at
27:41
Speaker 1: the National Inquirer, he's had a little bit of time
27:43
Speaker 1: to maybe let his memory kind of kick back in
27:46
Speaker 1: about what had happened, and he's having these flashes of
27:49
Speaker 1: memory of what happened over those five days, because initially
27:52
Speaker 1: all he could remember was seeing the craft and then
27:55
Speaker 1: being on the road five days later.
27:57
Speaker 2: And so when he's sitting down with the National inquire people,
28:01
Speaker 2: he begins to recall what actually happened over those five days.
28:04
Speaker 2: And so this is what he said happened.
28:07
Speaker 1: He said that he remembers getting out of the truck
28:09
Speaker 1: and walking up to this craft, and he remembers his
28:11
Speaker 1: crew members yelling at him to come back. He knew
28:15
Speaker 1: they were yelling at him to come back. He just
28:17
Speaker 1: wanted to look at the craft a little bit longer.
28:19
Speaker 1: And then right as he was about to turn around
28:21
Speaker 1: and head back. The craft started moving. This loud, kind
28:24
Speaker 1: of mechanical, eerie sound is being made, and before he
28:28
Speaker 1: had a chance to run back, he gets hit with
28:31
Speaker 1: this lightning bolt of some kind.
28:33
Speaker 2: Then he remembers being in the presence of some doctors.
28:36
Speaker 1: He saw white lab coats, masks, and facial coverings, and
28:40
Speaker 1: he's he's kind of in and out of consciousness, and he's,
28:43
Speaker 1: you know, this orange light around him, but he definitely
28:46
Speaker 1: sees what looks like medical professionals, and he's thinking to
28:48
Speaker 1: himself that whatever happened with that ship, it must have
28:52
Speaker 1: hurt me, and my crew must have scooped me up
28:55
Speaker 1: and brought me to the hospital. And so, in his
28:57
Speaker 1: kind of in and out states, he's aware that he
29:00
Speaker 1: around medical professionals, at least what he believes are medical professionals.
29:04
Speaker 2: And at some point his vision clears.
29:06
Speaker 1: It goes from foggy and he's in and out to
29:09
Speaker 1: being pretty much lucid, and he looks down at his
29:12
Speaker 1: chest and there's a rectangular box sitting on his chest
29:15
Speaker 1: that he didn't recognize.
29:17
Speaker 2: It didn't really look like modern medical equipment. It just
29:20
Speaker 2: looked like this almost.
29:21
Speaker 1: Like rock sitting on his chest and he looks at that,
29:25
Speaker 1: and then he looks up at one of the people
29:27
Speaker 1: who's wearing a mask who's working on him, one of
29:30
Speaker 1: the medical professionals, and this person is working on this box,
29:36
Speaker 1: and then the person looks at Travis Walton and then
29:39
Speaker 1: leans in to look even closer at Travis s Walton,
29:42
Speaker 1: and Travis is horrified. It was this grayish, thin, narrow
29:47
Speaker 1: headed figure that was very short at me, like four
29:50
Speaker 1: feet high, who is looking in at him, and its
29:53
Speaker 1: eyes were like slits and it's looking at Travis, and Travis,
29:57
Speaker 1: who's unbelievably scared at this point, pushes everything off of
30:01
Speaker 1: him and rips out all the chords that are attached
30:03
Speaker 1: to him. He kind of topples off of this table
30:05
Speaker 1: that he was on and.
30:06
Speaker 2: He realizes he's in a fairly small room and there's
30:10
Speaker 2: three of these humanoid creatures in the room with him,
30:13
Speaker 2: and he picks up the biggest instrument you can see
30:15
Speaker 2: next to the table that he was just laying on.
30:17
Speaker 2: He didn't know what it was, and he starts kind.
30:18
Speaker 1: Of wildly waving it at them and screaming to leave
30:21
Speaker 1: them alone, like get away from me.
30:23
Speaker 2: And he's trying to make sense of what he's looking at, and.
30:25
Speaker 1: The three figures in lab coats start walking closer and
30:28
Speaker 1: closer to him, and they're just kind of looking up
30:30
Speaker 1: at him, trying to study him.
30:31
Speaker 2: A little bit. They get all the way up to him,
30:34
Speaker 2: and he's waving and he's almost about to hit.
30:36
Speaker 1: One of them when they just kind of abruptly turn
30:38
Speaker 1: around and leave the room, leaving him alone in this
30:41
Speaker 1: kind of examination room. And as soon as they leave,
30:43
Speaker 1: he watches them go down the little outside the door,
30:46
Speaker 1: down the little hallway and they turn left, and so
30:49
Speaker 1: he's practically paralyzed with fear, but he knows if he
30:52
Speaker 1: can't get out of this room, he's done for. And
30:55
Speaker 1: so finally he kind of gets himself together and he
30:57
Speaker 1: walks past the examination table. He goes down the hallway
31:01
Speaker 1: outside of the door, and instead of going left where
31:03
Speaker 1: they went, he kind of sneaks off to the right
31:05
Speaker 1: and starts walking and he comes to another room and
31:08
Speaker 1: it's a room that has a single chair in it.
31:10
Speaker 1: It's this tiny little room with a chair, and the
31:13
Speaker 1: chair is turned away from him. He begins to peer
31:15
Speaker 1: around the chair and he sees that no one is
31:17
Speaker 1: sitting there, so he goes in front of the chair
31:20
Speaker 1: and he's like touching the wall looking for a doorknob
31:23
Speaker 1: or any sort of mechanism that can get him out
31:25
Speaker 1: of this room. And he said, like the room it
31:28
Speaker 1: was like this perfectly flat. Everything was flat and smooth.
31:31
Speaker 1: There was no door handles. He couldn't find a way out,
31:34
Speaker 1: and he ultimately sees on the chair that it looks
31:36
Speaker 1: like there's some buttons on the chair itself. He pushes
31:38
Speaker 1: all these buttons on the chair and nothing happens. And
31:41
Speaker 1: then in the doorway where he came in, suddenly a person,
31:45
Speaker 1: a man appears in the doorway who's wearing what looks
31:49
Speaker 1: like a spacesuit, like an astronaut suit, and Travis is
31:52
Speaker 1: so immediately relieved, even though the weirdness of him being
31:56
Speaker 1: in an astronaut suit is pretty high, but he's it's
32:00
Speaker 1: a human and he doesn't know what to think about
32:03
Speaker 1: the fact that he's now excited to see a human, right, like,
32:06
Speaker 1: it's terrifying that you were just around these non humans.
32:09
Speaker 2: But he's like in panic mode.
32:11
Speaker 1: Now he sees another human being and he runs over
32:13
Speaker 1: to him and he says, please, you've got to help me.
32:15
Speaker 2: I don't know where I am? You know, where are we?
32:17
Speaker 2: What is this? What's going on?
32:19
Speaker 1: And he notices that the eyes of this person inside
32:22
Speaker 1: of the spacesuit.
32:23
Speaker 2: It's a man who at least looks like a man, but.
32:25
Speaker 1: His eyes are distant. He's not making eye contact with Travis.
32:29
Speaker 1: It's like he's in a trance. And he said his
32:31
Speaker 1: eyes just seemed off, like they just they weren't focused
32:34
Speaker 1: on him. It would be like if you're talking to someone,
32:36
Speaker 1: but they were like permanently looking away from you.
32:38
Speaker 2: There's just something off about him.
32:39
Speaker 1: And he never spoke, and so he's trying to ask
32:41
Speaker 1: this guy, like where are we? And the guy takes
32:44
Speaker 1: him by the arm and he just starts leading him
32:47
Speaker 1: back into the hall where he came from, and continued
32:49
Speaker 1: down the hall, not back towards the room where he
32:52
Speaker 1: was originally, but down the hall in the other direction,
32:55
Speaker 1: and they get to another door and he opens it up,
32:57
Speaker 1: and Travis the whole time is like pleading with this
33:00
Speaker 1: guy to help him, and he thinks that this guy
33:03
Speaker 1: is helping him. He thinks that this is his savior,
33:06
Speaker 1: and he feels relieved that a human being, albeit a
33:09
Speaker 1: strange human being, is helping him and Eventually he stops
33:12
Speaker 1: asking him any questions because the guy in the space
33:14
Speaker 1: suits just not reacting to him. They open this door
33:17
Speaker 1: and they go down into this huge hangar where there's
33:20
Speaker 1: all these spacecraft that look just like the one that
33:23
Speaker 1: he saw in the clearing, that Travis saw in the clearing,
33:26
Speaker 1: and they start walking down between all these spacecraft that
33:30
Speaker 1: are just hovering much like they were hovering in the forest,
33:33
Speaker 1: seemingly able to just defy gravity. And the whole time,
33:36
Speaker 1: this guy in the space hits saying nothing, and Travis
33:38
Speaker 1: is like, what is this one of these craft?
33:40
Speaker 2: Is this military? Saying nothing?
33:43
Speaker 1: They walk to the far side of the hangar and
33:45
Speaker 1: they open up another door and they go into another
33:47
Speaker 1: bright white room and there's three more human like people
33:52
Speaker 1: with the strange eye thing going on in spacesuits that
33:55
Speaker 1: are standing there next to another medical table, and they're
33:58
Speaker 1: looking not at Travis, but they're aimed. Their bodies are
34:01
Speaker 1: aimed in the direction of the door that came in through.
34:04
Speaker 1: Travis goes in and he sees these three and he
34:07
Speaker 1: thinks these people.
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Speaker 2: Are here to save me.
34:09
Speaker 1: Like again, I feel relieved to see humans, albeit strange humans,
34:13
Speaker 1: but nonetheless humans. And the guy who had brought him
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Speaker 1: in there continues to lead him over to the three
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Speaker 1: other people and they pick him up and they put
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Speaker 1: them on the table, and he starts kind of resisting
34:23
Speaker 1: because he doesn't know what they're doing.
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Speaker 2: They're not speaking. He said, what are you doing?
34:26
Speaker 1: And they force Hione to this table and he's feeling
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Speaker 1: pretty weak at this point, and they take a gas
34:31
Speaker 1: mask and they put it.
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Speaker 2: Over his face and then he blacks out.
34:35
Speaker 1: And his next memory after that is when he woke
34:38
Speaker 1: up on the road and had the light above him
34:40
Speaker 1: that flew away and he had to run down to
34:42
Speaker 1: the payphone to call his brother. Travis did not immediately
34:46
Speaker 1: go and speak to the crew members that were there
34:49
Speaker 1: that night. It took quite a bit of time. You know,
34:51
Speaker 1: he was talking to press, he was, you know, doing interviews,
34:54
Speaker 1: the police wanted to talk to him.
34:55
Speaker 2: There's a lot going on. But he eventually got.
34:59
Speaker 1: Together with the other six crew members and they all
35:02
Speaker 1: met up at Mike Rodgers, the crew boss's house, and
35:05
Speaker 1: they just said, you got to tell us what happened,
35:07
Speaker 1: and so he sits down and he tells the story.
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Speaker 1: All of them believed him. They didn't want to believe him.
35:13
Speaker 1: But they believed him because.
35:14
Speaker 2: They saw the first half of the story.
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Speaker 1: They saw it for themselves, and once he was done
35:19
Speaker 1: telling it, they didn't really have that many questions.
35:21
Speaker 2: They just felt bad.
35:23
Speaker 1: They felt like if they had just stayed there and
35:25
Speaker 1: taken Travis, he wouldn't have been taken.
35:27
Speaker 2: But they didn't know that.
35:28
Speaker 1: And so all of them would leave Mike's house that
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Speaker 1: day and they would all go their separate ways. They
35:33
Speaker 1: did not stay in touch, They went their separate ways.
35:35
Speaker 1: It was like this hugely traumatic event that even to
35:38
Speaker 1: this day, you know, forty plus years later, when they
35:41
Speaker 1: talk about it.
35:42
Speaker 2: They're often brought to tears.
35:43
Speaker 1: Ken Peterson his interviews are particularly striking because when.
35:47
Speaker 2: He talks about it, he's an older.
35:49
Speaker 1: Man now and he says, to this day, I'm scared
35:52
Speaker 1: to look out my window because I'm afraid I'm going
35:55
Speaker 1: to see a spaceship and he starts crying when he
35:57
Speaker 1: talks about it. I mean, this had a profound impact
36:01
Speaker 1: on these seven men, and some of them didn't do
36:03
Speaker 1: so well this whole story. It ruined their credibility. Even
36:08
Speaker 1: though this is the most believable alien abduction story. The
36:11
Speaker 1: truth is is most people think it's a hoax, you know.
36:15
Speaker 1: One of them, like his own family, basically disowned him
36:18
Speaker 1: because they felt so embarrassed about this whole story and
36:20
Speaker 1: they don't believe him.
36:22
Speaker 2: So if this was a hoax, like to what end?
36:24
Speaker 2: What did they get out of it? Nothing? It damaged
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Speaker 2: their lives.
36:27
Speaker 1: Following this case, over the span of forty years, there
36:31
Speaker 1: would be sixteen lie detector tests taken, five by Travis
36:35
Speaker 1: Walton and eleven by the remaining crew, and they would
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Speaker 1: all pass.
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Speaker 2: The one member of.
36:41
Speaker 1: That initial polygraph set, when five had passed and one
36:45
Speaker 1: was inconclusive, he was retested the same exact test and
36:48
Speaker 1: he did pass. It's just one of those things where
36:52
Speaker 1: we're left with this incredible story where modern technology says
36:55
Speaker 1: they're telling the truth, but we can't fit that truth
36:59
Speaker 1: into what we think of as normal life, and so
37:02
Speaker 1: we've just decided that there's gonna be a group of
37:04
Speaker 1: people that believe and there's a group of people that don't.
37:07
Speaker 1: And you're left to pick which side you're on. So
37:11
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37:15
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