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He Wrote "She Will Not Ask": How a Therapist Stole a Widower · Narcisist Psychology

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  Speaker 1: At six in the morning on January fourteenth, a County
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  Speaker 1: Road Greater operator named Sarah Harris was running her usual
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  Speaker 1: pass along mill Post Road when her head lights caught
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  Speaker 1: something pale in the frozen grass at the shoulder. She
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  Speaker 1: stopped the machine. She walked over. What she found was
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  Speaker 1: a leather bound appointment ledger embossed on the cover with
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  Speaker 1: a name and a professional license number. That ledger should
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  Speaker 1: not have been there, and the man whose name was
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  Speaker 1: on the cover had filed an insurance claim weeks earlier
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  Speaker 1: saying it had been stolen. Those two facts, the ledger
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  Speaker 1: in the grass and the lie told to collect on it,
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  Speaker 1: would begin to unravel something that had been built with
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  Speaker 1: extraordinary patience and almost no noise. A man had lost
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  Speaker 1: his wife, and then in the months that followed, he
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  Speaker 1: lost his house, his savings, and his own sense of
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  Speaker 1: what was real. No one around him saw it happen.
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  Speaker 1: That is the part that takes the longest to sit with.
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  Speaker 1: There is something in this case that keeps pulling at
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  Speaker 1: the edges of a simple explanation. The time line is
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  Speaker 1: too precise, the preparation too calm, and one detail buried
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  Speaker 1: in the middle of a single Ledger entry points back
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  Speaker 1: to a calculation that was already in motion before Philip
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  Speaker 1: Cole ever walked into a therapist's office. Philip Cole was
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  Speaker 1: forty eight years old the summer his life came apart
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  Speaker 1: the first time. He had lived on Elton Court in
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  Speaker 1: Coepher for nineteen years. The house had four bedrooms, and
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  Speaker 1: he and Margaret had filled it the way people do
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  Speaker 1: over two decades, slowly without noticing, until the weight of
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  Speaker 1: ordinary life is everywhere. Philip worked as a purchasing coordinator
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  Speaker 1: for a regional hospital network, a job he had held
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  Speaker 1: for twenty two years. He was the kind of person
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  Speaker 1: whose reliability was so complete it became invisible. He showed up,
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  Speaker 1: he followed through. He did not make scenes. On Wednesday evenings,
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  Speaker 1: he volunteered at the food pantry connected to the Lutheran
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  Speaker 1: Church on Corbin Avenue. He had done that for six years.
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  Speaker 1: The coordinator there, a woman named Francis Duff, would later
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  Speaker 1: describe him as someone who remembered which families preferred which
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  Speaker 1: items without being asked. Margaret Cole died on August third
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  Speaker 1: from a cerebral aneurysm. She was there and then she
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  Speaker 1: was noted the obituary ran five days later in the
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  Speaker 1: Coefer Courier register on August eighth. It listed Philip as
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  Speaker 1: surviving spouse. It named the church, it named the address.
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  Speaker 1: Philip's doctor referred him to a therapist in late August.
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  Speaker 1: The referral was routine, a grieving widower, a trusted primary
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  Speaker 1: care physician, a licensed clinical social worker with a private
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  Speaker 1: practice in Coefer. The therapist's name was Roy Schmidt. He
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  Speaker 1: was forty one years old and had been licensed in
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  Speaker 1: two states. His practice in Koefer was six years old.
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  Speaker 1: His licensing records showed no formal complaints. The first session
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  Speaker 1: took place on a Monday in early September at Schmidt's office.
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  Speaker 1: By the end of September, Philip was seeing Schmidt twice
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  Speaker 1: a week. Those who knew Philip noticed changes, though nothing
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  Speaker 1: they could name precisely at the time. His longtime friend
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  Speaker 1: Karl Briggs called three times in October, each time Philip
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  Speaker 1: told him he needed space. Briggs would later confirm he
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  Speaker 1: took Philip at his word. There was no reason not to.
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  Speaker 1: Philip had always been measured in what he said. His
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  Speaker 1: estate attorney, Roger Asche, had handled Philip's affairs for years
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  Speaker 1: At some point during this period, Philip stopped initiating contact.
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  Speaker 1: Ashe would tell investigators, he had never once spoken to
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  Speaker 1: Roy Schmidt, never received a call, a letter, or a message.
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  Speaker 1: Schmidt's name, as far as ashe knew, did not exist
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  Speaker 1: in Philip's life. Philip's daughter lived out of state. The
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  Speaker 1: record does not establish the precise shape of their distance
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  Speaker 1: during these months, but she was not in Coepher and
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  Speaker 1: Schmidt was. What none of Philip's friends or colleagues could
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  Speaker 1: have known. What Philip himself apparently did not know was
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  Speaker 1: that the storage unit registered to his address on Elton
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  Speaker 1: Court had already received Roy Schmidt's belongings, not in September,
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  Speaker 1: not after the therapy relationship was established, on August sixth,
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  Speaker 1: three days after Margaret died, two days before the obituary ran.
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  Speaker 1: The ledger was a standard appointment book, black cover, spiral bound,
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  Speaker 1: embossed with Schmidt's name and license number in gold. It
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  Speaker 1: had been lying in the roadside grass along mill Post
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  Speaker 1: Road since some time in November, three months in weather
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  Speaker 1: pages swollen ink smeared in places, but the October fifth
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  Speaker 1: entry still legible in clean ballpoint session p Cole four
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  Speaker 1: p M Home visit confirmed key in usual place, move
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  Speaker 1: remainder of boxes before Thursday. She will not ask, She
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  Speaker 1: will not ask. Margaret Coal had been dead for sixty
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  Speaker 1: three days. When Schmidt wrote that sentence. He was not
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  Speaker 1: referring to a living woman. He was scheduling around her,
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  Speaker 1: as if she were still capable of inconvenience, as if
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  Speaker 1: the problem with Margaret was not her absence but her
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  Speaker 1: potential interference. The ledger was in Gallagher's hands within two
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  Speaker 1: days of Sarah Harris's call. Gallagher noted the entry, He
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  Speaker 1: noted the date, and he noted that the equity line
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  Speaker 1: withdrawls on Philip's account fourteen thousand dollars on October ninth,
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  Speaker 1: eight thousand on October eighteenth, eleven thousand on October twenty
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  Speaker 1: seventh formed a pattern that bracketed the October fifth entry
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  Speaker 1: like parentheses thirty three thousand dollars three withdrawals, all authorized
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  Speaker 1: on paper by Philip Cole. Philip had believed, according to
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  Speaker 1: his later account, that Schmidt was his designated support contact,
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  Speaker 1: that the estate attorney had arranged it Roger ashe The
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  Speaker 1: estate attorney told Gallagher he had never spoken to Roy Schmidt,
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  Speaker 1: not once on October eleventh, six days after the Ledger entry,
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  Speaker 1: Roy Schmidt hosted a dinner party at the house on
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  Speaker 1: Elton Court. Neighbours attended. Schmidt introduced himself. He used Philip's
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  Speaker 1: name in association with the address. He poured wine, He
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  Speaker 1: showed people the kitchen. Gallagher's report later described it as
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  Speaker 1: a social credential manufactured in plain sight. Schmidt was not
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  Speaker 1: breaking it. He was settling in. He was performing residency
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  Speaker 1: for an audience that had no reason to question it.
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  Speaker 1: Philip was not there. By late October, Schmidt had suggested
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  Speaker 1: what he called a structured retreat, time away from the house,
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  Speaker 1: from routine, from the specific weight of grief attached to
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  Speaker 1: those rooms. Pillip left Elton Court with a single bag.
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  Speaker 1: He checked into a residential motel on the east side
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  Speaker 1: of Kofer in the first week of November. His automatic
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  Speaker 1: mortgage transfer continued every month Philip paid to maintain a house.
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  Speaker 1: He was no longer living in a house where some
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  Speaker 1: one else was receiving mail, hosting dinners, and preparing to
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  Speaker 1: call it home. There is a detail that resists easy categorization.
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  Speaker 1: In the second therapy session, Schmidt had brought Philip a
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  Speaker 1: small succulent in a clay pot. Something for the window sill,
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  Speaker 1: he said, something alive. Philip kept it through October, through
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  Speaker 1: the motel months through the winter. The plant sat on
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  Speaker 1: the motel window sill, while Philip paid a mortgage on
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  Speaker 1: an empty bedroom nineteen years his own. By late January,
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  Speaker 1: when Gallagher drove to Elton Court to follow a ledger
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  Speaker 1: entry back to its address, he found Schmidt's name on
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  Speaker 1: the mail box, not Philip's. Schmidt's. No forced entry anywhere,
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  Speaker 1: no broken locks, no shattered glass. The house had been transferred.
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  Speaker 1: Not legally, not yet, but socially, logistically and practically. Philip
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  Speaker 1: had been moved out of his own life. With a
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  Speaker 1: single bag and a therapy session, Philip Cole walked into
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  Speaker 1: the Mill Post County Sheriff's office a few days after
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  Speaker 1: Gallagher's visit. He was pale. According to the intake record
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  Speaker 1: beywildered is the word that appears in the notes. He
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  Speaker 1: was forty eight years old, and he was describing a
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  Speaker 1: reality that had been quietly disassembled around him while he
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  Speaker 1: was grieving. When investigators began reconstructing the sequence, the first
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  Speaker 1: assumption was simple. A therapist had exploited a grieving client
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  Speaker 1: opportunism enabled by access and timing. Philip had been vulnerable.
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  Speaker 1: Schmidt had recognized it and moved in picture the therapy
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  Speaker 1: office in early September. A man carrying the weight of
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  Speaker 1: twenty two years of marriage, suddenly alone, a licensed clinician
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  Speaker 1: across for him, trained to read distress, trained to reflect
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  Speaker 1: trust back toward the person sitting in the chair. The
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  Speaker 1: relationship begins Legitimately, the financial extraction follows. That version is coherent.
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  Speaker 1: It fits the pattern of exploitation cases built on therapeutic dependency.
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  Speaker 1: But that version collapses the moment you look at August
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  Speaker 1: sixth Schmidt did not register that storage unit after he
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  Speaker 1: met Philip. He did not decide over weeks of sessions
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  Speaker 1: that Philip could be useful. He moved his belongings into
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  Speaker 1: a unit at Philip's address three days after Margaret died,
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  Speaker 1: two days before the obituary appeared in the Coefer Courier register,
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  Speaker 1: before the referral, before the first Monday session, before any
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  Speaker 1: documented contact between the two men. Schmidt did not need
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  Speaker 1: to read the obituary. He already knew. How he knew
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  Speaker 1: is not established in the public record. The transfer tripped
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  Speaker 1: does not confirm how Schmidt first identified Philip or Margaret's
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  Speaker 1: death before the referral. That question has no clean answer yet,
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  Speaker 1: but the storage unit registration is a fact. August sixth
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  Speaker 1: is a fact, and what that date means is this,
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  Speaker 1: the therapy relationship was not where the targeting began, It
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  Speaker 1: was where it was formalized. There was a second victim.
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  Speaker 1: His name was George Pavlik. He was sixty one years old,
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  Speaker 1: a retired machinist from a neighboring county, and his wife
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  Speaker 1: had died roughly two and a half years before Margaret Cole.
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  Speaker 1: Schmidt had counseled him too, moved into his house, extracted
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  Speaker 1: approximately sixty two thousand dollars over eight months. Pavlick never
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  Speaker 1: reported it. When investigators eventually reached him through a social
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  Speaker 1: worker named Diane Ostroff, who contacted Millpost County after a
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  Speaker 1: regional license alert, Pavlik did not deny what had happened.
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  Speaker 1: He confirmed it he had not reported it because he
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  Speaker 1: was ashamed, not of being deceived, ashamed of how willing
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  Speaker 1: he had been to believe that someone cared. Schmidt had
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  Speaker 1: a forwarding address on file, a UPS store box. He
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  Speaker 1: had done this before. He had done it cleanly enough
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  Speaker 1: that his licensing record showed no formal complaints. Two men,
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  Speaker 1: two houses, two dead wives, and a ledger that fell
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  Speaker 1: from a vehicle somewhere on mill Post Road and spent
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  Speaker 1: three months in the grass before a County road grader
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  Speaker 1: operator found it at six in the morning on January fourteenth.
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  Speaker 1: The ledger had an embossed cover, Schmidt's name, his license number.
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  Speaker 1: He had filed an insurance claim on it in November,
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  Speaker 1: listing it as stolen in a burglary. The replacement value,
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  Speaker 1: he declared, approximately four thousand dollars. The ledger was not stolen.
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  Speaker 1: He had removed it from Elton Court himself. It fell
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  Speaker 1: from a vehicle, from a bag from somewhere in transit,
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  Speaker 1: and it lay there in the cold until Sarah Harris
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  Speaker 1: stopped her Greater and picked it up. The October fifth entry,
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  Speaker 1: the August sixth registration, the mailbox with the wrong name,
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  Speaker 1: the succulent on a motel window sill. None of it
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  Speaker 1: required a break in. None of it required force. It
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  Speaker 1: required grief and a man who had learned from at
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  Speaker 1: least one prior attempt exactly how much space grief leaves opened.
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  Speaker 1: Jerry Gallagher filed his arrest request on a Wednesday in March.
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  Speaker 1: The warrant named Roy Schmidt, licensed clinical social worker, on
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  Speaker 1: three counts financial exploitation of a vulnerable adult, fraud, and
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  Speaker 1: theft by deception. Investigators had located two accounts where the
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  Speaker 1: transferred funds had been deposited. Schmidt knew they had located them.
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  Speaker 1: He cooperated. That cooperation carried weight in the prosecutor's calculus.
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  Speaker 1: The state declined to pursue UO the maximum sentence enhancement.
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  Speaker 1: In exchange, Schmidt disclosed the accounts, confirmed the transfers, and
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  Speaker 1: provided documentation that investigators used to trace the full scope
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  Speaker 1: of both cases. Eight years parole eligibility at five Parallel
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  Speaker 1: charges were pending in the neighboring jurisdiction. The Pavlick case
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  Speaker 1: filed separately, moving through a different court. George Pavlik never
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  Speaker 1: filed his own report. No charges came from him directly.
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  Speaker 1: What came instead was a statement confirming what had happened,
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  Speaker 1: given to Diane Ostroff, the social worker who had surfaced
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  Speaker 1: his name after a regional license alert moved through the system.
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  Speaker 1: Pavlik's silence had not protected him. It had simply made
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  Speaker 1: him invisible until the ledger made invisibility impossible. Philip Cole
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  Speaker 1: walked into the Millpost County Sheriff's office in late January.
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  Speaker 1: He was pale. The word investigator used in their notes
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  Speaker 1: was bewildered. He had been living in a residential motel
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  Speaker 1: on the east side of Coefer for roughly three months,
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  Speaker 1: paying the mortgage on Elton Court by automatic transfer. Unaware
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  Speaker 1: in any functional sense that he had been removed from
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  Speaker 1: his own life, He had left with a single bag.
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  Speaker 1: Schmidt had called it a structured retreat. Three weeks after
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  Speaker 1: that first visit to the Sheriff's office, Philip returned to
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  Speaker 1: his Wednesday shift at the Corbin Avenue Lutheran food pantry.
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  Speaker 1: Francis Duff, the coordinator, confirmed it he showed up. He
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  Speaker 1: worked that was February. In April, after Schmid's arrest, Philip
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  Speaker 1: moved back to Elton Court. The house had been his
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  Speaker 1: for nineteen years. He had bought it with Margaret. He
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  Speaker 1: had raised a family inside it, and for the better
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  Speaker 1: part of a winter, a man whose name had appeared
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  Speaker 1: on the mailbox in place of his had been hosting
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  Speaker 1: dinners there. Withdrawing from its equity lines and scheduling logistics
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  Speaker 1: around a woman who had been dead since August. Roger Ash,
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  Speaker 1: Philip's estate attorney, told investigator Gallagher the same thing he
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  Speaker 1: had told no one before, because no one had asked.
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  Speaker 1: He had never spoken to Roy Schmidt, not once. The
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  Speaker 1: authority Schmidt had used to authorize the equity withdrawals, the
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  Speaker 1: designation as a support contact had no legal basis. Philip
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  Speaker 1: had believed it because Schmidt had told him it was true.
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  Speaker 1: That was sufficient, that was always sufficient. Carl Briggs, who
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  Speaker 1: had called three times in October, learned only later what
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  Speaker 1: those calls had cost Philip. Philip had told him he
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  Speaker 1: needed space. Schmidt had scripted that answer. Briggs had respected
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  Speaker 1: it the way any decent friend would. The isolation required
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  Speaker 1: nothing dramatic. It required ordinary kindness redirected. Gallagher's report used
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  Speaker 1: a specific phrase to describe what Schmidt had done at
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  Speaker 1: the US the October dinner party, the one hosted at
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  Speaker 1: Philip's house under Philip's name, with Philip's neighbors sitting at
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  Speaker 1: Philip's table. The phrase was social credential manufactured in plain sight.
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  Speaker 1: Schmidt had not hidden himself. He had replaced Philip slowly
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  Speaker 1: enough that the replacement looked from the outside like continuity.
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  Speaker 1: Total documented victims two Philip Cole and George Pavlick. Two men,
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  Speaker 1: two dead wives, two houses. The number is what the
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  Speaker 1: record shows. Whether it is the full number is a
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  Speaker 1: different question, and the answer to that question lives somewhere
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  Speaker 1: in the six years Schmidt spent in private practice in
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  Speaker 1: Coufeur before anyone looked. There is something specific that stays
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  Speaker 1: with this case, something that resists the usual categories. Roy
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  Speaker 1: Schmidt did not break a window. He did not forge
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  Speaker 1: a signature or steal a wallet. He entered Philip Cole's
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  Speaker 1: life through a referral from a fiew position with a
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  Speaker 1: license number embossed on a cover with a succulent plant,
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  Speaker 1: delivered at a second session as a gesture of warmth.
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  Speaker 1: He built trust the way trust is supposed to be built, incrementally, carefully,
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  Speaker 1: with patience, and then he used that architecture to take
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  Speaker 1: a man's house, his money, his friendships, and his sense
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  Speaker 1: of where he was supposed to be standing in the world.
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  Speaker 1: Philip kept the succulent through every week at the motel.
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  Speaker 1: It sat on the window sill. He watered it when
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  Speaker 1: he moved back to Elton Court in April he repotted it.
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  Speaker 1: That detail is not incidental. It is the whole of
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  Speaker 1: what this case is about. A man in the worst
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  Speaker 1: year of his life accepted a small green plant from
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  Speaker 1: someone who seemed to see him. Clearly, the plant was real,
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  Speaker 1: the care that came with it was not, and yet
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  Speaker 1: he kept it through the motel, through the bewilderment, through
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  Speaker 1: the long winter of not fully known what had been
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  Speaker 1: done to him, because even the false version of being
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  Speaker 1: seen had felt for a while like something worth holding
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  Speaker 1: on to. George Pavlick was sixty one years old and
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  Speaker 1: had been alone for two and a half years before
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  Speaker 1: Schmidt found him. He never reported what happened. Shame kept
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  Speaker 1: him silent. But the shame was not about being foolish.
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  Speaker 1: It was about how much he had wanted someone to care.
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  Speaker 1: That is not weakness. That is what grief does to
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  Speaker 1: a person. It makes the ordinary extraordinary. Someone showing up consistently,
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  Speaker 1: someone asking the right questions, someone carrying boxes. That is
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  Speaker 1: everything when everything else has gone quiet. Schmidt understood that
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  Speaker 1: he had studied it professionally. Then he had weaponized it
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  Speaker 1: across at least two households across at least four years,
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  Speaker 1: leaving behind no formal complaints, no prior record, a licensing
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  Speaker 1: file that looked clean until a ledger from a vehicle
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  Speaker 1: on mill Post Road and spent ninety two days in
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  Speaker 1: the grass. Sarah Harris founded at six in the morning
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  Speaker 1: on January fourteenth. She had driven that route for eleven years.
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  Speaker 1: She stopped, she picked it up. She called the non
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  Speaker 1: emergency line at seven forty two. That call is the
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  Speaker 1: reason Philip Cole is back on Elton Court. That call
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  Speaker 1: is the reason Roy Schmidt is serving eight years instead
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  Speaker 1: of building a forwarding address at a third ups store
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  Speaker 1: box in a third county. The system that should have
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  Speaker 1: caught Schmidt earlier, the licensing boards, the regional networks, the
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  Speaker 1: referral chains did not catch him. A road grader operator did.
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  Speaker 1: Philip Coole was fifty years old at the conclusion of
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  Speaker 1: the trial. He had been a purchasing coordinator for twenty
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  Speaker 1: two years, a food pantry volunteer for six, a husband
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  Speaker 1: for longer than that. He is back in the house
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  Speaker 1: where he lived with Margaret. He goes on Wednesdays, he
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  Speaker 1: shows up, he works. That is not a small thing.
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  Speaker 1: After everything that was taken, the money the months, the
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  Speaker 1: sense of being held safely inside his own life. The
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  Speaker 1: fact that he still shows up on Wednesdays is the
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  Speaker 1: clearest possible evidence of who Philip Cole has always been
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  Speaker 1: underneath everything Schmidt tried to overwrite. This show is made
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  Speaker 1: by Obomedia.