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2 of 4 The Diddy Doc - Episode Two: Sean Combs The Reckoning - What Goes Down Must Come Up · Fanatically Speaking with Kent

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Gosh, Suge Knight's hilarious, dude. He don't
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get credit for being, if Suge Knight's funny
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as fuck. episode of Fanatically Speaking. I am
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Kent, the co -host and promoter. I'm Log Off,
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the Log Off legend. I am the hater of all social
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media. I hate social media with every fiber of
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my being. I am the co -host and producer of the
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show. This is episode two on Sean Combs, The
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Reckoning, just kind of going over that Netflix
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documentary produced by 50 Cent. And our first
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episode was interesting. We revealed a lot of
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things in that documentary that even though we
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lived through that area that we couldn't really
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remember, we were both younger at the time. It
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was a lot of things pre Bad Boy era in regards
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to, you know, Sean Combs, Puff Daddy, Diddy,
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whatever you want to name them. But we're going
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to kind of dive into episode two. And that episode
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kind of starts off with, you know, bad boys,
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you know, as a record label kind of taken off.
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Kent, you want to go and take it from here? Yeah.
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So this is where you see they talked about, you
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know, Puffy kind of changing his image, right?
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This is where you see like it's not uptown, it's
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bad boy. So I think I think Puffy was trying
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to make it obviously different. He had Biggie
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who was, you know, God sent to him as a talent
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and like you said Biggie start absolutely Biggie
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started off slow because Biggie was different
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than anything else you were listening to rap
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wise in the 90s, so You know had that the delivery
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all that But did he did he puffy he was you know
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coming up again. We talked about those beats
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something different and They talk about you know
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puff trying to be more street than he was And
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this goes back to, you know, it wasn't like he
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was raised from the street, you know what I mean?
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Like raised by his mom, we talked about that
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in the first step. And from that first episode,
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we did talk about him fighting, but then again,
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then he was happy -go -lucky, did he? Now he
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was trying to like this image because what was
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popular at the time they talk about was Death
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Row Records and that. Yes. And one thing, and
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one thing I will say, and it's funny you said
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that, you know, Biggie as a talent was a godsend.
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I think Biggie as a personality. was got into
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because one thing that Biggie had, and it was
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irrefutable with street credibility, he was that
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guy on the street freestyling in Brooklyn. He
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was that guy on the street that was, you know,
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I mean, if you can look, there's plenty of recordings
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of Biggie pre -record label just on the street,
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just rapping. And everybody knew he had bars
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and he was able to puff, was able to parlay that
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local New York vibe and celebrity. and transition
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it into Bad Boy and legitimize himself as, hey,
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look what I got. I went and got that dude from
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Brooklyn. Listen to him. Isn't he an incredible
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rapper? You know anybody who could freestyle
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like that? You know anybody that's got rhymes
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like that? coupled it with the beats. Like you
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said, the great, you know, the instrumentation
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and the good ear that puff had, um, as a, um,
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as a record executive. And so, yeah, no, I mean,
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so it's just, it's just funny. You said that
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like as a Godson, it was almost too good of a
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perfect pairing because it was puff who had the
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business side and the promotion side and Biggie
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who was somebody who really needed that as an
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artist because he was unique. Yeah. Yeah. And
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it was all working once they hit it, once they
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found what it was, but what Puffy did, And you
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see in the doc, he kind of copied what Tupac
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was doing. And that West Coast, right? Copied
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the I Get Around video and said, okay, how can
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we make this for Biggie, but in our own way?
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But basically copy, but in our own way. And then
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they did that. And - You know what's so funny?
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So I've seen, oh my gosh, I mean - Come on, man.
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I've seen those videos hundreds of times and
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I never saw the correlation between the two.
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Never. So again, it was well done. This is where
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I'm going to give 50th's credit, man. The way
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they edited it to show the I Get Around, Dancing
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in the Pool, Women All Around, and then they
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show him at Juicy. Same thing. Similar camera
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angles. People dancing, vibing, having a good
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time. It was interesting because as much as I've
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seen it, I never noticed those connections between
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the two. And I feel like people are going to
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be like, oh yeah, I knew that. Nah, man, you
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didn't. I lived it and didn't recognize it. And
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it was just, I never noticed it as kind of a
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carbon copy of, hey, we're going to do a New
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York East coast version of what's popular in
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the West coast. I never made that connection.
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No, never. Because again, we were just appreciate
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all of it. Right? We appreciate it. It was a
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dope song. I get around. It's a classic. That's
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right. And then it's the Juicy. Yeah, the video
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and the song. It's like, yeah. Juicy's a classic.
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You're not even thinking about, oh, that's like
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Pac but different. No. You're just like, man,
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this biggie's it. In his short time, he was the
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man. He was obviously become the goat, if not
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one of the goats, right? So yeah, I really took
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that from that first part of as a talked about
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him again trying to be more street and it's funny
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like you said Biggie was from the street and
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then here Puffy is trying to be that way a little
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more and then taking and biting from the west
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coast to bring it to the east coast yes yeah
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absolutely and you know and then unfortunately
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as as someone who anyone who knows you know what
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takes place in the streets and you know uh whether
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it's gangs whether it's drugs you know, it leads
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to, in a lot of instances, violence, which was
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the things that kind of led in the next segment,
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you know, where they were talking about just
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kind of how, you know, there were some gang affiliations,
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you know, beefs between crews. How did you want
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to dive into that part? Yeah, so I think the
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biggest part of this was the Tupac versus Puffy,
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right? because they talk about Pac was happy
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for Big, right? They were friends. He was happy
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that he was getting his, right? Pac had already
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kind of blown up, you know, but he was very happy
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for Biggie. And then him and Puff just quite
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couldn't get along. And it was, you know, it
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was mentioned in the doc that maybe Puff was
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jealous of Tupac and their relationship, Pac
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and Biggie, because, you know, there you go again.
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Puff discovered Biggie, so he's thinking, oh,
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well, me and him, we're together, you know, as
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a partnership, as a team. And then you got this
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guy from the West Coast who is, well, he's friends
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with Biggie, and we don't want that, even though
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I'm going to, you know, take and bite off of
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him. So it was kind of, again, that power trip
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Puffy was going through. And then that, of course,
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like you said, led up to some violence that involved
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Tupac. Yes. Yeah. And the interesting thing is
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they had footage of Tupac and Biggie sitting
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at a table, you know, freestyle, having drinks,
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dapping each other up. That was amazing. Yeah.
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You know, I mean, like, and it just took you
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back and it's like, well, like before everything,
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before everything ended poorly, like these were
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people who had a mutual respect for each other.
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And what I loved about it was it showed that
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they had a connection as I mean, obviously you
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could look up Tupac's upbringing, but Tupac's
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mother was affiliated with the Black Panther
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movement. So you're talking about somebody who
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was in the streets and then you're talking about
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Biggie selling drugs on the streets in New York.
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They had that type of connection where, even
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though they were from different sides of the
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track, and Tupac representing, and Tupac, a lot
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of people don't even understand this, Tupac was
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somebody who spent a lot of time in New York
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as a young man. And even though this whole West
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Coast thing was something that he embraced because
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that's where he currently lived, they had a mutual
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respect for one another as artists, and they
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wanted to do business together as artists. as
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the documentary implies, that was something where
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Puff wanted to maintain control of that for a
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lot of other reasons as we know when it comes
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to just kind of record executives as a whole.
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And, you know, so that kind of goes into, you
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know, like you said, like the violence and the
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shootings and all of that. And I think it all
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kind of culminated with, you know, Tupac. What
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a lot of people don't understand is the first
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shooting that Tupac was involved in where he
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ended up getting shot in New York was him coming
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to the studio to record with Puppen Big in the
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same building. And I can outline that if you
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want me to. You want me just to kind of drag
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through that? Yeah, go for it. So, yeah, so,
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you know, Tupac is, and he's actually narrating
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this in a portion of the documentary where he's
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like, yeah, you know, I'm getting blown up. They're
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paging me saying, hey man, you know, where are
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you? And he's like, yeah, you know, we stopped
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and got some weed, you know, and now we're on
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our way to the studio. And, you know, so he shows
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up at the studio and as he's getting out of the
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car, Little C's, you know, and a lot of people's
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eyes, Biggie's, you know, right -hand man. is
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on the rooftop and sees Tupac pull up and shouts
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out, like, hey, Tupac, hey, man, come on. He's
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like, hey, man, why don't y 'all come down here
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and let me in? And as Lil C says, he goes down
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to get him. And as he comes off the elevator,
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two guys point guns at him. They push him back
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into the elevator. He gets back into the elevator.
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And then Tupac ends up getting shot, you know,
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while with Puff and Biggie in the building. So
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no matter how you spin it, it happened. on their
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watch tupac starts to question it in hindsight
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to the point where even when he's in the hospital
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he actually checks himself out of the hospital
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against the doctor's request because he just
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wants to get out of new york you know so uh...
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Obviously, that's a big thing strong footage
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on that, you know to show the footage of him
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in the wheelchair leaving the hospital Camber
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crews and everybody reporters all surrounding
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him. What were your thoughts about that's that
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portion of it? Yeah, this is this is one of those
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You know, it's kind of like anytime someone shot
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assassinated, right? It's that conspiracy theory
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It's that what, let's break down what happened
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and what really happened, right? So when you
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hear like said Lil C literally saying, hey, yeah,
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I got off the elevator, these two guys guns at
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them. They didn't shoot them. They said, no,
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no, no, go, get back, get back, you know, go
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back. So they weren't there for him. And he is
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associated with Puffy and Biggie. And then Pac
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gets shot. And as Tupac pointed out, like who
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just shoots somebody, but don't rob them. They
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didn't take my Rolex. Well, that's the thing.
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And apparently things like he was shot, they've
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been calling it a robbery. My whole life, they've
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been calling it a robbery. They didn't rob him.
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And then Tupac is like, well, you robbed me,
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but you don't steal my $80 ,000 Rolexes. Yeah,
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he's like, I ain't never heard nobody getting
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shot and robbed. So those are those questionable
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parts of the story that makes you then think,
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oh, well. That's kind of suspicious. Yeah, very
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suspicious. And also, like you said, targeted
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because they were they had whoever these gentlemen
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were, they had access to the building to be able
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to catch little seas coming off the elevator
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to tell him to get back in. They were waiting
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for Tupac to arrive. So somehow they had some
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knowledge that he was going to show up, you know,
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and then they end up, you know, shooting him.
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hitting their target and you know luckily Tupac
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didn't die in that particular you know attempt
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but yeah I mean it calls everything into question
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and you know as the story you know continues
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you know there's just more instances of hey this
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is associated with bad boy and there's violence
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and the only person who seems to have clean hands
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every single time is Puffy. So, you know, it
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just kind of throws those types of, you know,
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nuanced types of perspectives out there and that
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actually moves on. But yeah, I mean, we can kind
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of move on to the next portion if you want to.
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Yeah, and what I've got is Bad Boys starts blowing
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up more, right? They got Biggie, then they get
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Faith Evans, they got Craig Mack, Total. He's
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kind of built, you know... this kind of a group,
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a roster, right? Yeah, he's got, yeah, of talent
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that he found. Yes. Yeah. A talent that he found
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and talent that is, you know, developed well.
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And, you know, and it all, and the one thing,
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the one thing I think that was really unique
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about Bad Boy as a homogenized hip hop production
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organization was that all the artists really
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fit really well with what other artists were
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doing on that same label, but they were still
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different. Craig Mack was not biggie, but their
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music always meshed well. Mary J. Blige, you
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could throw her on anything, total. I think it
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was the, I think it was the, can't you see song
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with total where it's like, okay, we're going
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to have that slow beat and we're going to have
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Biggie just start off the track, rip it. Like
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it just, everything always had a really nice,
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a really nice blend where, like I said, like
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as a roster, they fit really well. Like we can
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say what we want to about, and I know a lot of
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this is going to talk on, you know, fit into
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death row and you know, obviously Dr. Dre Snoop,
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Tupac, their music had a West coast sound, but
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The way that Bad Boy's music all seemed to blend
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together very well and kind of compliment one
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another was something that was unique to me.
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Just kind of looking at it, you know, big picture,
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birds eye view. back then in the 90s like it
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listening to it now it makes more sense to me
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than it did then but that was something where
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I think it was strategic where it's like no I
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want to make this to where I can use all of these
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artists to benefit the label as a whole and develop
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our own kind of sound even if we are even if
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we are mimicking what other people are doing
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oh yeah like I said they definitely had their
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own sound we talked about that with the beats
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the way he did it, the way he produced the music.
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And you're exactly right. Everything just kind
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of blended and worked well together. And again,
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credit to Puff. Like I said, he did have an eye
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for talent and a knack for coming up with these.
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Like they said, he wasn't talking about, oh,
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you're high. He ain't telling people that. He
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was talking about more putting it together, beats,
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finding that beat, and getting the right people
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in place to make it work. Yes. Yeah. And he was
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great at it, man. Again, great music, timeless
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classics, man. I'll never be able to take that
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from him. He was always a part of that. Yeah.
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So where do you want to go next on that? Just
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kind of roll to the next part? Yeah. So what
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I got is Puffy started being a little, again,
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growing into this top guy at Bad Boy. and changing
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that attitude where talent is saying they're
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not getting paid, right? Craig Mack, they talk
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about Craig Mack and his wife. They're talking
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about, you know, he's got this big hit, but not
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getting the money. And then Diddy, and I'm gonna
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go a couple places here, was not only that, then
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they talk about, you know, threatening the Kirk
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Burroughs to get his 25 % stock. Back which at
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the time he had within bad boy that 25 % stock
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that he had in bad boy, right? So it was he had
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25 and puffs mom had the other 75 right all because
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Leading back to that basketball game, right?
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So now those that had kind of cleared Puffy's
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bigger more popular obviously with Biggie and
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bad boy. So now he wanted that money So claimed
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he was gonna give it back to him. But at the
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moment went in there with a baseball bat and
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kind of was like, yeah, I'm gonna need that back.
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All the while again, not paying talent and making
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money off of them, even though they're the stars,
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but he was kind of wanting to be the star. Yes.
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And that's actually something else that was highlighted
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within the documentary as well, where he would
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turn the contracts into You're gonna have to
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chase me for this money because like you alluded
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to Craig Mack and you know, I believe it was
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his ex -wife Okay, who was in the documentary
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who said that you know, it's like he what he
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would do is he would sign people to their advance
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Get them their cash up front and then just nickel
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and dime you for everything that takes place.
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Oh, if puff is in your video, you got to pay
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me for that. For these recording sessions, you're
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going to have to pay me for this. You know, for
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all this PR that we're doing for you, you owe
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me for this. And that was how the contracts were
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structured to where no matter what took place,
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it was pretty much, it was a sunken ship. There
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was going to be no way for you to generate enough
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money. For all the things that you were doing
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because in order for you to make your next record
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under that label You're gonna have to pay for
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studio sessions which were costing hundreds of
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thousands of dollars per session why because
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puff is in there as a as a producer to help you
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make a hit and the only way for you to to continue
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to make the hits is to continue to use bad boy
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because that's who you're signed to contractually
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obligated and You know, I believe uh, you know
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Craig his wife his ex -wife uh, Craig Max, excuse
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me, where she says, you know, how they were flat
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broken. She would, they would have to go to their
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parents to get money just to pay their bills.
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And it's like, well, this guy's got one of the
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hit records on the planet. Like he's top, he's
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number three on the billboard charts. How is
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it that you don't have any money? So, um, when
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you talk about like the 25 % going in with the
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baseball bat, trying to get him to, you know,
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to sign it over. to these tight contracts, that
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was a shift where it's like, okay, not only is
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this guy trying to, you know, increase his own
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bravado and make a name for himself, he's doing
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it at the expense of these people that he says
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he loves and cares about, which were his artists.
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Which takes me back to that first episode, when
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it's described where Andre Harrell gives him
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his very first talent assignment with Jodeci,
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and he tells him, These artists aren't important,
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dude. You are important. You are the A &R. You
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are the executive. You work for the production
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house. The artists aren't important. They're
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gonna come and go. We're the ones who are putting
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all this stuff together. And I think when he
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created Bad Boy, that was how he made those contracts
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so tight to where it was tough for them to not
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only make money that wasn't leaving the production
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studio, but it also made it difficult for them
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to leave. because he had about a balls for lack
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of a better phrase. Yeah. And I wanted to hit
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on that. Like you said, he was in the video,
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he got paid, they recorded in his studio, he
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got paid. He did a, you know, speaking part on
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a, you know, at the beginning, he got paid. So
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he was, like I said, he was getting paid any
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way possible from these guys, from his talent.
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And like I said, the contracts, but it brought
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an idea up. Brought something up to my mind that
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I've thought about before and I don't know if
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you've ever thought about this Can you name a
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bad boy talent that lasted a long time? Because
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there's a Larry's I actually Because to me I
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always thought like oh, yeah, they were on bad
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boy and then it's like But they weren't on there
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long or they only had one album or maybe two
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albums, right? But the only constant, the only
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thing that stayed was Diddy, right? He was still
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on there out. He was still, everybody that put
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out something, he was there. But you would never
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see like a longevity of a career all at Bad Boy,
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right? I'm looking at it. It's like, yeah, 112
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had a pretty deep, I think they may be the best
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run ever at Bad Boy. Agreed, yeah. And that's
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the other thing. And they were, and they were
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a group, they had some longevity. But it's funny
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you said that because as it happened, I stopped
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the documentary and I had a similar epiphany
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in the middle of it where I turned to the house
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and I asked my wife, I said, hey, do you think
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that there's one bad boy artist that you can
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name that's still alive that has a good thing
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to say about bad boy? Like, just think about
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it. Like, if you think about who's there, like,
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because, like, I don't, there's people that sign
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to labels that credit those labels for launching
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their career. I don't know what, I don't know
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what's going on with 112 in total. I mean, but
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I've seen so many Crash and Burn, I mean, Jadakiss,
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Crash and Burn with Bad Boy Styles P, Danny D
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'Kane. If you wanna go that far, you know, that
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far along. Carl Thomas, Black Rob, The Lops,
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Mario Wines. Mace, it didn't get poorly with
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Mace. Dream, Mace. Yeah. Mace had to go on his
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own. Lil' Kim. Lil' Kim, yeah. But if you wanna
23:10
pull them aside, it's like, you've never heard
23:12
any of them speak glowingly about Bad Boy as
23:14
a record label. It's just... it was it was so
23:18
I mean and then obviously I mean the best I mean
23:20
Cassie come on like it all ended poorly and and
23:25
I think that's kind of the the elephant in the
23:30
room was and it was actually alluded to in this
23:32
episode where it's like we treated our artists
23:34
bad yeah and that's where it kind of led into
23:38
the next part and I know we're gonna touch on
23:40
to it I'll get out of your way where with the
23:45
Biggie and Tupac thing where it was like, I think
23:48
Puff may have been afraid that Biggie's relationship
23:54
with Tupac would be like, dude, there's a better
23:56
way for you to do it. You partner with that guy
23:58
and you can give him a lot of credit for your
24:00
success, but you are the talent. You're one of
24:03
the best MCs walking the globe. You can do better
24:06
than that. And here's what's taking place at
24:08
Death Row. When you got Snoop, Dr. Dre and Tupac
24:11
all on one label, And you are Biggie. Yes, you're
24:17
the guy. And we know that how great you are.
24:20
I think that he was afraid that maybe some of
24:23
that would have gotten out. And Biggie starts
24:24
looking like, yeah, you know what, man? I think
24:26
I can do better. And especially to know that,
24:30
and as I mentioned too in this documentary, that
24:33
Biggie had another contract coming. We'll get
24:35
to that in the closing of this episode. But I
24:38
thought about that too. Like there's no one who's
24:41
going to say great things about Bad Boy as a
24:44
record label. And I think it's telling, even
24:48
with those that are still alive today. Yeah.
24:50
And I don't, again, even with like everything
24:53
Diddy's going through now, I don't think I heard
24:56
anybody come out and defend him. So not only
25:00
Bad Boy, but yeah. And yeah. So yeah, I mean,
25:04
it's kind of weird, but it's kind of telling
25:06
as well. And like you said, at the time, Death
25:10
Row then was getting going with Suge Knight,
25:13
and like you said, Dr. Dre, Snoop, and Pac. And
25:17
Suge was on the other end speaking about how
25:21
his talent and his roster, they're gonna make
25:24
money. He's gonna look out for his guys. Where
25:26
on the other side, like I said, it didn't seem
25:28
like Diddy was doing the same. And that could
25:32
have been, that definitely probably was. part
25:34
of it but at the same time puff like we talked
25:37
about trying to be from the streets trying to
25:40
put this different image out there again he started
25:43
kind of imitating death row that hardcore hardcore
25:47
rap trying to shift into that spectrum a little
25:51
bit yes no absolutely man yeah yeah if you want
25:56
to go ahead and roll into i got something else
25:59
that I saw next, but I'll let you go ahead and
26:02
continue. You're doing a good job, man. You narrate
26:04
in a minute. Oh, it's fine. You're good. So yeah,
26:06
so then what I have next is, you know, this was
26:09
the start of the East Coast -West Coast rivalry,
26:15
right? If you want to call it that. But they
26:18
do mention in the documentary, I think it was
26:22
Eric Sermon, it really wasn't East Coast -West
26:25
Coast. These guys, these rappers, they were going
26:27
back and forth all the time. It was really bad
26:30
boy against Death Row. It was really the Suge
26:33
Knight versus Puffy, right? So they had their
26:36
moments at the awards, all that fun stuff. Suge
26:41
taking his shot, things like that. And then that
26:45
led to another violent event, right? Where I
26:50
believe they were, and again, I may be skipping
26:52
around a little bit on the events, but I know
26:54
that they were coming out of a party, right?
26:57
I think it was Puffy's party. and Shug and his
26:59
friend attended, and then when they're leaving,
27:02
they're all outside, and a guy walks up with
27:05
a gun, looking at Shug night, meanwhile shooting
27:10
his friend, ultimately dead. And Shug grabs Diddy,
27:18
Puffy grabs him to kind of shield himself, because
27:20
he's like, well, they ain't shooting me, they're
27:22
gonna have to shoot him if this is a setup. And
27:25
the whole time, Diddy telling him, It's going
27:27
to be okay. Your mom's going to be okay. Your
27:31
family's going to be okay." It was a kind of
27:33
like a, I don't know, man. It's like a mafia,
27:35
like a mob type deal, right? Yeah. And the interesting
27:42
thing is that's what Shug's reaction was. If
27:46
you're going to shoot, you're going to shoot
27:48
this guy. You're coming to shoot me. And Shug's
27:52
reaction was like, no, don't tell me it's going
27:55
to be okay. you know, like, you know, you tell
27:58
your mama that, tell your family, you know, like
28:01
it's, it was one of those moments where, and
28:05
it's such a strange thing, man. I, this is probably
28:11
only the real heavily documented instances of
28:17
violence in hip hop. Like we know that it's happened
28:21
historically, it's happened, but It's so well
28:25
documented, there's so many accounts, and I hate
28:28
looking at it through the nostalgic type lens,
28:31
but it was so weird to just watch Suge Knight
28:36
calmly explain what happened. Same thing with
28:38
Tupac. It's like Tupac got shot up outside of
28:41
a studio, and to listen to him calmly just...
28:46
Go through like you said the steps in the process
28:49
of everything that happened It's um, it's very
28:51
interesting and again another violent instance
28:54
in which puff just happens to be present and
28:59
Nothing happens to him comes out clean. You know
29:01
what I mean? Like it's just it's it's yeah He
29:03
comes out clean and and it's just oh, it's just
29:05
you know, these things just keep following him
29:08
It's a it's very very interesting man. It's um
29:11
And again, a lot of the stuff I knew, these connection
29:14
points I never really put together, but I mean,
29:16
that is the purpose of a documentary, to kind
29:17
of put things together and tell a bigger story.
29:21
Yeah. And I think then this led to the awards,
29:26
right? The Source Awards. Yeah, it did. And,
29:31
you know, there was actually some things that...
29:36
There were actually some things that kind of
29:38
happened... Before okay, but yeah, we could go
29:43
we can go to this doesn't go either way. Let's
29:45
go to what you got. What's next? No, no, no go
29:49
no go source awards you're good Yeah, so we get
29:52
to the source awards and this again everything
29:55
is kind of a back -and -forth with death row
29:58
bad boy puffy shook and You get to the source
30:03
awards and sure gets out there and he's basically
30:05
like you we mentioned earlier about Biggie and
30:07
the artist and the you know What record labels
30:10
doing what? And he's basically inviting everybody
30:13
that, you know, if you want to come and be a
30:16
star and make money, come to Death Row and not
30:19
be like, and he didn't name Puffy, but, you know,
30:21
talked about dancing in the videos, rap, you
30:25
know, being involved. He's like, yeah, you ain't
30:28
going to get that here. So it was like a public
30:30
invitation for anybody and basically Biggie to,
30:35
hey, come over to our side. That's the way I
30:38
took it. Yeah. Well, yeah, well, and, and at
30:41
that time, um, he was, uh, Suge Knight was in
30:47
the process of developing a death row East East
30:50
coast record label. And he wanted to make it,
30:54
you know, one of those things where it's like,
30:56
okay, well, obviously you're going to need talent.
30:58
And that's what, you know, Suge Knight to his
31:00
credit as another thing, he was great at finding,
31:02
he was great at finding talent, you know, you
31:04
know, some indie artists that he could bring
31:06
on and you know and biggie i think it was kind
31:09
of well known that biggie's contract was almost
31:11
up obviously he could have renewed with bad boy
31:13
but it's like hey if we got an opportunity to
31:16
get one of these guys i mean that would be a
31:18
hell of a roster to have you know dr dre snoop
31:21
dr dre snoop tupac and biggie all on one label
31:24
is absurd and You know, so there was the back
31:29
and forth and it's like, you know, you know,
31:31
and then they showed puff, you know, at the source
31:33
award saying, listen, like, you know, I'm here,
31:35
you know, I want peace, no more this East coast,
31:37
West coast stuff. I'm very proud of those brothers
31:39
on the West coast. You know, so everybody give
31:41
it up to everybody, whether you East coast or
31:43
West coast, you know, we're all just trying to,
31:45
you know, make good music and, you know, and
31:47
we all want everybody to be successful. And then.
31:51
More violence comes after he says that publicly
31:55
at the source awards. Shug took a shot at him.
31:59
Puff tries to kind of quiet things down, but
32:02
more things keep happening. Yeah, which I think
32:08
that led to what we mentioned earlier with the
32:11
shooting of Shug's friend. And then I've got,
32:18
we're talking about then we get the involvement
32:21
with the Crips. We get to talk about how the
32:26
Crips are friends with Puffy and Bad Boy, and
32:30
they have this relationship. Yes, yes. And a
32:37
lot of that was covered in the documentary was,
32:42
I don't want to say unverified, but it was heavily
32:47
speculative. The individuals that they had in
32:50
the documentary that spoke about it at length,
32:52
they kind of set it as a form of it being matter
32:55
of fact. I don't know how much validity you want
32:59
to give it, but at the same time, it was something
33:02
that as I'm listening to it, it seemed as if...
33:07
you know, he had these relationships with these,
33:09
you know, these street guys, Puffy, excuse me,
33:13
Puff had relationships with street guys in Harlem
33:15
who had relationships with guys that may or may
33:19
not have known who his father was. And, you know,
33:23
kind of, okay, yeah, well, this was, you know,
33:25
his dad was this hustler gangster guy. I'm going
33:28
to use my connections to help look after him.
33:31
And, you know, and then it's like, okay, well,
33:33
is he using gangs for protection? And, you know,
33:37
It just, it all kind of circled back to him trying
33:40
to solidify himself as legitimate businessman,
33:44
you know, in public, but tough guy, hustle street
33:48
guy, you know, within these private rooms. I
33:52
don't know if anybody really bought it like that,
33:54
but the gang connections were certainly interesting.
33:58
Yeah. And they kind of mentioned, like you said,
34:00
without saying that they were protecting them.
34:05
It was just like, well, we're friends with him,
34:07
and if somebody comes at him, then we're going
34:09
to help them. You know what I mean? It was kind
34:12
of that. Yes. And of course, this all led to
34:16
a conversation of allegedly Puff having with
34:23
the Crips about killing Tupac and Suge Knight.
34:29
And there apparently an agreement of $1 million.
34:34
One million dollars, you know for you know for
34:37
the killing of of Tupac and Shug I don't know
34:41
if you just want to jump straight to that, you
34:43
know in Vegas, you know You want to go ahead
34:46
and take it there? Yeah, basically except they
34:48
they had this conversation where it wasn't an
34:50
out It didn't sound like it was an outright.
34:52
Hey guys, I'll pay you to kill Tupac and shook
34:55
right it was a Puffy saying it out loud I'd pay
35:02
to have these guys killed right? And then that
35:04
led to that conversation. And this all came from
35:07
Keefe D talking to the police. So the two guys
35:12
involved, Keefe D and Orlando Anderson, they
35:15
were the two that I guess were going to do this.
35:18
And this all led to the Tyson fight in Vegas
35:22
where Shug was there, Pac was there at death
35:26
row. And then something happened at a party.
35:30
Is that right? Concert? The chain is one of the
35:34
death row chains tried to got stolen or was tried
35:36
to get stolen, right? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
35:39
Yeah, he was affiliated Yeah, he got he got beat
35:41
up and his chains. Yeah, and yeah, so pock recognized
35:45
that man as Orlando Anderson in the lobby of
35:49
the Was the MGM was that where the fight was?
35:52
Yeah, yeah, so and of course they Immediately
35:56
took after him and you know beat him down And
36:00
then, of course, that led to some phone calls
36:04
and some interaction that led to, ultimately,
36:08
the shooting into the car of Tupac and Suge.
36:13
Yeah, Tupac and Suge and, you know, the bullet
36:16
grazed Suge Knight's head. And that's where...
36:20
you know, the story takes the turn where it's
36:22
like, yep, there's supposed to be a million,
36:24
but because Tupac was the only one that ended
36:26
up dying, you know, it was only a half million
36:28
dollar payment that was made. And, um, again,
36:33
all gang, you know, street affiliations, you
36:37
know, the money is, is deposited, given to one
36:40
person who's supposed to distribute it to another
36:42
person. You know, you know, you know, he says
36:46
that he never received the money and you know,
36:50
and a lot of these figures, you know, are no
36:52
longer here. So it's, it's a, I don't want to
36:55
say you kind of, you take it with a grain of
36:57
salt. Their stories sound legitimate and the
37:00
pieces do seem as if they fit, but it's a very,
37:04
it's a very interesting connection piece that,
37:09
you know, for them to say that, yeah, like the
37:10
shooting took place and they break down. Well,
37:12
yeah, like we saw them, they were on Las Vegas
37:14
Boulevard and the cops stopped. the car that
37:19
Suge Knight's driving because the music is too
37:22
loud. And it's ingrained in my head, man. It's
37:26
one of those things. I'm not going to lie. I've
37:27
actually had dreams about it. That image of Tupac
37:31
turning and looking at that camera sitting in
37:33
that BMW, man. It's crazy. I don't know. Watching
37:36
someone's final moments, and he's just got this
37:40
blank look on his face. He doesn't look scared.
37:45
He doesn't look shocked. He has got no fear.
37:48
It's just kind of just a blank look. And for
37:52
that to be the final image of him moments before
37:55
he loses his life is just, it's one of those
37:57
things that, yeah, like I said, it's literally
37:59
etched in my brain. Like as I'm saying it, like
38:01
I can see it right now. And before we move on
38:05
from the Tupac thing, the one thing that I want
38:07
to say is I don't think ever in our lives that
38:13
we will ever see a celebrity with the track record
38:18
of one Tupac Shakur. When you look at what his
38:23
musical career was, what his acting career was,
38:29
and all the things that that young man accomplished,
38:32
and I mean, we didn't even get into the fact
38:35
that he ended up going to prison for like rape
38:36
charges. Like all of these things took place,
38:42
but... All of it happened, and he accomplished
38:46
so much. And it happened to the point where he
38:54
died at the age of 25. He did all of this and
39:01
died at 25. It's still jarring to me, man. Listen,
39:06
look up his filmography. Look at all the movies
39:09
that he was in. All of the records that he produced.
39:12
And he still ended up going to jail in the middle
39:15
of all of that. And he was still able to accomplish
39:16
all these things. It's just, it's incredible.
39:19
He had an incredible life. It's sad to see it
39:21
in that way, especially over some BS that seemed
39:23
to be fabricated with gas kind of poured onto
39:27
the fire, insinuated that it was done by Diddy.
39:31
But it's just interesting to, I just wanted to
39:33
say that, man, when you look at that dude's resume.
39:36
The fact that he died at 25 years old only, you'd
39:39
think that that was a career of a 30 something
39:41
year old man. It's incredible. Yeah. And again,
39:44
you know, earlier I was just mentioning Biggie,
39:46
what he accomplished in a short bit of time just
39:49
in music. But yeah, I mean, Pac was music and
39:52
everything, you know, and movies and this. And
39:55
films. Major, major box office, leading man,
40:00
classic movies. Unbelievable. Yeah. So. But again,
40:06
this is a documentary about Puff Daddy, Diddy,
40:10
and this situation, this event, the killing of
40:14
Tupac, again, centered around Diddy, where, like
40:21
you said, he paid the guy named Zip. Zip was
40:23
supposed to pay Keefe D and Orlando Anderson,
40:26
and later on, Zip and Orlando Anderson die. Zip,
40:31
I think, had cancer. Anderson gets killed. And
40:36
then, of course, there allegedly was some conversations
40:38
of Diddy, them letting him know that Pac had
40:41
been killed. And then you also have, I go back
40:45
to Kirk Burroughs, that Puffy had him rent cars
40:51
to go to Vegas during this same time period and
40:54
had wanted multiple drivers. So again, this is
40:58
all, again, their story telling this. There's
41:00
no proof of any of this, but. Again Diddy another
41:04
event like you said Diddy comes out clean and
41:08
having the upper hand in the so -called East
41:12
Coast West Coast battle Yes, yeah East Coast
41:16
West Coast battle and and then it you know, it
41:19
kind of you know Tupac gets killed and Then it
41:25
rolls into the We're gonna shift this back to
41:30
Biggie Now we got to get Biggie going we got
41:33
to go ahead and get this next album out and then
41:35
it goes into just kind of the focus and promotion
41:38
on on puff Trying to promote Biggie as heavily
41:42
as he can and he wants him to go to LA You know
41:47
to you know to I believe it was an award show
41:50
in LA. I think it was an award show to kind of
41:54
help promote you have to kind of promote the
41:57
album and And then in the episode, it was kind
42:01
of defined that, hey, that Puff would repeat
42:07
that Biggie wanted to be in LA. But behind the
42:10
scenes, you've got people saying, no, Biggie
42:13
wanted to come back home. Biggie wanted to leave.
42:15
And it was actually, I believe they said he had
42:18
a trip to go overseas. I think it was London?
42:20
Yeah, UK. to go to the UK and to promote the
42:25
album there, to be the first Bad Boy artist to
42:27
promote an album internationally, which I don't
42:30
know what the cultural impacts are of Bad Boy
42:33
internationally, so I can only imagine how big
42:35
that could have been as an opportunity in the
42:37
90s. That would have been huge, yeah. Yeah, it
42:40
would have been massive. But as the story tells
42:43
that Puff wanted Biggie to stay in LA, And then,
42:49
you know, obviously, you know, tragedy unfolds
42:51
there. But, you know, I'll let you continue.
42:53
Yeah. So, yeah. And like you said, yeah, Biggie,
42:55
they went out to L .A. They did the awards, whatever
42:58
else to promote. Biggie was supposed to get on
43:01
a flight that Saturday morning to UK. And unbeknownst
43:08
to him and Kirk Burroughs, Diddy canceled the
43:11
flight. He said, no, he's staying in L .A. We
43:14
got, you know, we're going to go to this, you
43:16
know, what was it, a party? Something they would,
43:20
yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Did he wanted to
43:22
have a party? In LA, yeah. In LA, yeah. And that's
43:26
a whole East Coast, West Coast thing. It's like,
43:27
oh, hey, you know, and then there's, you know,
43:30
the rumblings from the alleged gang affiliations
43:33
where they're saying, hey, man, like, you just
43:35
can't be walking around LA like this. Like, there's
43:37
people that want your head. You know, before
43:40
to that, the preface was them at the award show
43:42
being booed by the crowd. The crowd wasn't even
43:45
happy to see them there. you know, but yet there
43:48
they are still standing on stage, you know, and
43:50
then, so yeah, so they have the party, the party
43:52
takes place and you know, unfortunately as Biggie
43:56
is leaving, you know, the, the, the SUV convoy
43:59
gets shot up and Biggie passes away as a result.
44:03
Um, there was some, some unseen footage I'd never
44:06
seen of, of, of live outside the venue. Where
44:11
gunshots go off the camera kind of pans away
44:14
and then there's the play they play audio of
44:15
the actual 9 -1 -1 calls of them trying to drive
44:19
biggie to the hospital Not even waiting for an
44:22
ambulance No, yeah, I never heard that never
44:26
seen that footage before and It goes back to
44:29
like you said not only was biggie not wanting
44:31
to be out there I don't know that he really wanted
44:35
that rivalry with pock. Yeah, like I said, we
44:38
it was more about Pockin Puffy, Diddy. And again,
44:45
this, Biggie gets killed. And who comes out clean?
44:50
Diddy. Diddy. And not only does he come out clean,
44:56
and it's sad because I've never really looked
45:00
at it this way. And again, this is what documentaries
45:02
do. They frame a perspective and then put it
45:05
in front of you to watch. It was a little cringy
45:09
to watch Puff talk about Biggie in such a way
45:14
right after he got killed, but use it as the
45:18
fuel and the vessel to not only launch his own
45:22
album, but to launch Biggie's album. And then
45:25
that goes into just kind of some of the contractual
45:28
things that were mentioned in the documentary
45:31
as well. It was kind of eerie to watch. Looking
45:34
at it in hindsight where you know there's magazine
45:38
covers and you know all these things where you
45:40
could kind of use it as an opportunity to memorialize
45:43
you know one of your artists who you said was
45:46
one of your good friends that got assassinated
45:48
and shot up in a car at a party that you just
45:51
happen to be hosting ding ding ding you know
45:55
it's just it's it's unfortunate that That he
45:59
used it kind of as a launching pad for his own
46:02
career because even after that that took bad
46:05
boy to another level Yeah, and I do remember
46:10
at the time You know it was it's one of those
46:14
things like somebody gets killed who benefits
46:15
off the murder who benefits off that and like
46:18
we said Puffy he benefited the most and There
46:22
was rumblings. I remember rumblings. You say
46:24
well, they would say well did he had something
46:26
he had something to do with it And we don't know,
46:29
you know, I don't think they really got into
46:30
that It was just kind of more like he's kind
46:33
of to blame because he made him stay in LA Where
46:37
if he would have just took that flight was he
46:39
to just stayed on the East Coast? Maybe it wouldn't
46:42
happen. Maybe it would have never know right.
46:43
It was kind of still it was a very heated time
46:46
so But yeah puffy he benefited the most again
46:51
it goes into like you said he was launching that
46:54
solo album and then that's basically what he
46:57
cared about. And we're going to get into this.
47:00
So it was then these relevant, you know, relevation.
47:04
I can't fucking talk. Revelations, revelations
47:08
of. Yes. So these revelations of about Biggie's
47:14
one puff not wanting to communicate with the
47:18
police or help them in the murder of Biggie,
47:21
because it might link him back to pox murder.
47:25
That was the insinuation. Gotcha. You know what
47:27
I mean? So So here he doesn't want to help which
47:30
again Shug didn't want to help either because
47:32
he's like, you know snitches get stitches. You
47:35
beat me to it. That's exactly right Yeah, so
47:37
you you get that right these guys who are from
47:40
the street. They're not gonna snitch They're
47:42
just gonna take care of themselves and that was
47:44
Shug's take where Puff is more like well I don't
47:47
want them to start connecting dots That's how
47:50
it was put like don't connect dots because it
47:53
may lead back to pock because you know pocket
47:55
just got murdered so and obviously the connection
47:59
but then it gets into back to puff cheating artists
48:05
with contracts and money right and they talk
48:08
about how he wanted to throw the biggest funeral
48:11
ever but have Biggie's estate pay for it and
48:15
then told them remove Biggie Biggie was obviously,
48:20
like I said, his album coming out, they had a
48:22
Rolling Stone cover, and Puff's like, nah, put
48:25
me on the cover about my album. And then the
48:30
contract, he changed after Biggie's death, the
48:33
one he had just signed before his death, so it
48:37
would be less money to Biggie's estate. The dude
48:41
we keep talking about, this guy, Kirk Burroughs,
48:44
he didn't want to change it, wouldn't change
48:47
it. And 90 days after 90 days, he was fired for
48:51
not doing what puff wanted with Biggie's contract.
48:56
Yes. Yeah. And I mean, and like I said, and it
48:58
was just, it's just the document, that episode
49:01
kind of rolled downhill really fast when it came
49:03
to that. And it's a, um, I'm going to introduce
49:08
something that's a little sideways. It's going
49:10
to sound like I'm going off the rails, but just
49:12
follow me a little bit. The, um, There's a character
49:16
that I've always in a character. I mean like
49:18
an actual human being that lived by the name
49:20
of Meyer Lansky He was a one of the former mob
49:24
guys and when I say mob, I mean like Al Capone
49:28
Bugsy Seagull mob guys and Why I why I always
49:34
been intrigued by Meyer Lansky is Because he's
49:39
the only mob guy out of all of them that survived
49:44
and lived a long life. And Meyer Lansky's, I
49:50
guess his moniker was, as long as you pay someone
49:54
their percentage, you'll never have any enemies.
49:58
So he would go into different territories, sell
50:02
drugs, sell illegal liquor, gambling operations.
50:07
And when he moved into someone else's territory,
50:09
he's like, hey, I don't want any trouble. I'm
50:12
just gonna pay you your cut. And there's an admiration
50:16
that came from that because he wasn't one of
50:19
these tough guys that was gonna fight you on
50:21
the street or shoot at you and have you killed.
50:23
He's like, I don't want drama. Just let me pay
50:25
you what I owe you so I can continue to do my
50:27
business. And I wish that that was something
50:30
that Puff had. I wish that was something that
50:33
Puff had in his repertoire where he understood
50:36
that if you treat people with the respect that
50:40
they require, You're not gonna have this issues.
50:43
I can't imagine what it was like, man. I'm You
50:47
talked about Biggie They played that video in
50:49
the documentary of Biggie's saying how he's waking
50:51
up in the middle of night paranoid It's like
50:52
man. I got people trying to kill me like he's
50:55
like I like I can't even sleep at night and and
50:59
But didn't matter to puff. He's still putting
51:02
him on airplanes sending him out there into literal
51:04
enemy territory getting this guy booed on stage
51:08
and Then even in his death Has the allegations
51:12
that he's changed the contracts so that way even
51:16
after he's dead His family his mother and his
51:20
children It is in you know, they don't even get
51:24
the money that was rightfully owed to him to
51:27
do something like that takes a special kind of
51:29
piece of shit Yeah, and and when I say that I
51:33
mean when I say this I mean Meyer Lansky The
51:36
mob guy that I'm referencing literally lived
51:38
to be 81 years old and died on a beach in Miami,
51:41
Florida of natural... I actually think he died
51:44
of lung cancer, but he lived a long life. And
51:47
the guy was born, I wanna say in the early 1900s.
51:50
He was born in 1902. But he paid everybody the
51:55
way... It's like, I'm just gonna give you your
51:56
piece so that I can continue to do what it is
51:58
that I need to do. Bad Boy could have been a
52:01
great record label. And Puff could have had a
52:04
situation where everybody was eating. He didn't
52:06
have to be greedy. So it's just unfortunate to
52:09
hear, man. It's sad that stuff like that's actually
52:11
coming to the surface in 2025. Yeah. Again, I
52:17
didn't know any of that, what we learned from
52:20
the documentary about Puff. You hear stuff now
52:25
about artists. And in the music industry, you
52:27
got that a lot. You've seen stories of TLC. going
52:32
bankrupt artists going bankrupt because because
52:35
you know the label is Making the money and that
52:39
makes you know, they're not making money off
52:41
the music The artists don't they have to go on
52:43
tour and then you make money off concerts and
52:45
things like that So did he did he had a nice
52:49
little business plan to? Again, like I said push
52:54
stars for a little bit and keep coming up with
52:56
another star which to his credit They kept coming
52:58
to him. And again, if you want to be famous I
53:01
guess this guy says, hey, I'm gonna make you
53:03
famous. They make you famous. But then you put
53:05
out an album and then you're on to the next one.
53:07
And that's what I mean. I felt like that with
53:09
Bad Boy. But everybody, you know, you're blind
53:12
to that entertainment because you're like, well,
53:14
he's Puff Daddy. He's Diddy, right? He's, you
53:17
know, on camera. He's fun loving. He's this,
53:20
that, and the other. He puts out good music,
53:21
good beats. He does his own thing. But again,
53:26
you see that pattern, though. I'm not insinuating
53:32
that he did anything with Biggie, I'm just saying
53:34
that he wanted the limelight. So Biggie died
53:39
and then he's like, here we go, my solo album,
53:42
my cover, me. And again, it did, I mean, it put
53:48
him on a rocket ship to the top because again,
53:51
they talk about that image at the MTV Awards
53:53
of him out there with Sting and Faith Evans and
53:56
they come up with this, I'll be missing you.
53:59
After Biggie's death and it made again. What
54:01
does it make it look one it makes Diddy the guy?
54:05
He gets the sympathy from Biggie's death because
54:08
it's like oh, that's puffs friend He made his
54:10
song about Biggie again rocket ship to the top
54:14
and bad boy was up there as well, but Again,
54:18
I just took from the first two episodes in general
54:21
in total if we're recapping the second one as
54:24
well. It's You know, not only is he trying to
54:28
take other people's women. We got that theme,
54:33
or their ex -wife, or their side chick. He just
54:36
wanted to say, yeah, I got with your this, I
54:38
got with this. His ego was so big, wanting to
54:42
be the star, wanting to be the light. And again,
54:45
I don't think it mattered who he used and what
54:48
he sponged off of to elevate himself. It was
54:52
a consistent theme in these first two episodes.
54:56
to this point, unfortunately, like you said,
54:59
elevated himself off of Biggie's death. Correct.
55:03
And I couldn't have said that better myself.
55:06
The only thing that I'm going to add is when
55:10
it came to his label and you talked about, you
55:15
know, just kind of the transfer of the last 25
55:17
% to, you know, so that the LLC that he had had
55:20
full ownership of it. I think, I think what happened
55:24
was And this is just my opinion that Bad Boy
55:27
itself, when you thought about it back then,
55:31
you thought about Biggie. Biggie was the face
55:34
of Bad Boy. After his death, it became Puff.
55:39
It was all Puff. And now when you look at it,
55:43
I mean, it's hard to think of, like you say,
55:45
even when you think about the artists that we
55:47
mentioned before, you know, the 112s and, you
55:50
know, even, you know, some of the more recent
55:51
ones that Danny Kane, Machine Gun Kelly, Paul
55:54
Thomas, and yeah, yeah, yeah, MGK. Like when
55:57
you think about all of that, it's like, but when
55:59
you hear Bad Boy, you, you don't even like, you
56:02
think Puff, you think, you think Puff Daddy,
56:04
Pete, I think remixes, you think Diddy. Remixes
56:07
too. And again, that's something else he was
56:09
very, very good at. Like it was, it was, you
56:13
know, it was one of those things that It's unfortunate
56:17
that he had to use other people and use their
56:20
talents because he didn't have much himself That's
56:22
fine. I never thought you know, he was a great
56:25
rapper but at the same time I was just saying
56:29
yeah, they clowned him in the episode about his
56:32
rap Yeah, I mean I mean just listen some people
56:36
got it I don't think I'm not a great rapper like
56:39
I can't make music. I know what sounds great
56:41
I got a good eye for what I think sounds good,
56:44
but You know, I don't, I don't know. And to his
56:48
credit, he was able to build an empire, man.
56:50
Bad Boy was an empire, a music empire. That catalog
56:53
is unreal, but he had to do it by stepping on
56:57
others. And I mean, that's the part that sucks.
57:00
And you know, when it's all said and done, I
57:02
mean, it was, it resulted in the way that it
57:04
did for a reason. And I think one of the main
57:06
reasons for that was because he didn't take care
57:09
of the people like he should have. Yeah. No.
57:14
He was a, like he said, yeah, not a great rapper.
57:16
He was an, he's an entertainer. I would put him
57:18
in that category that, yeah. A personality. He's
57:22
a personality. He made music. He rapped, sang,
57:26
whatever you want to call it. And, um, but like
57:30
he said, yeah, he used others and there's many
57:31
people in life that you talk about, you know,
57:34
the first person that came to my mind when we
57:36
talk about like using others and you gotta be
57:38
a certain way to get to the top of some industries.
57:41
It was like Vince McMahon, but But yeah, Diddy,
57:45
like you said, he did what he did. And not exactly
57:50
the greatest way to do business, but it worked
57:53
out for him. And like you said, when you think
57:55
about Bad Boy, yeah, you think about Diddy. And
58:00
yeah, I can't wait to watch the rest of the episodes.
58:04
Yeah, no, yeah, definitely going to episodes
58:07
three and four. I'm excited myself I'll probably
58:09
try to watch them here in the next day or so
58:12
and yeah And then we'll record episodes three
58:14
and four and put those out for the public to
58:16
listen to You want me to go ahead and close things
58:18
out go for? Yeah, thanks again everybody for
58:22
listening to another episode of fanatically speaking
58:24
again a little different I know this was episode
58:27
2 of the Sean combs the reckoning documentary
58:29
But just mixing it up is something that's topical
58:32
both Kent and myself found it very interesting
58:35
And so we hope you found you know just kind of
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