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Mega Edition: Authorities In Moscow And the Wide Net Cast In Search Of Evidence (9/1/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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Speaker 1: And welcome back to the program. As investigators continue to
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Speaker 1: look for the white Hyundai Elantra, we're hearing a little
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Speaker 1: bit more about what they're doing as far as tracking
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Speaker 1: down leads. Now, according to a report from Fox News,
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Speaker 1: investigators have traveled at least 24 miles to collect surveillance
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Speaker 1: video related to these killings. So they've been going to
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Speaker 1: areas around Moscow, little town, stuff like that, looking for
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Speaker 1: other surveillance video, other evidence of what happened here. And
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Speaker 1: that's certainly reassuring. But my question is, how did they
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Speaker 1: miss that gas station where the clerk came forward to
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Speaker 1: provide information? I would think that something like a gas
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Speaker 1: station would be one of the first places they would
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Speaker 1: hit trying to get this surveillance. And then we hear
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Speaker 1: that they got surveillance from private residents right after the
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Speaker 1: day after So it just makes you shake your head.
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Speaker 1: How is it that they missed this gas station but
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Speaker 1: were looking 24 miles away? So today's article is from
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Speaker 1: Fox News, headline, Idaho Murders. Investigators traveled at least 24
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Speaker 1: miles to collect surveillance video related to the killings. Fox
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Speaker 1: News confirmed investigators requested, recovered surveillance footage from several businesses
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Speaker 1: in and around Moscow. This article was authored by Matt Finn,
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Speaker 1: And John Rule. Now, it seems like they're relying on
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Speaker 1: these businesses to come forward with the surveillance footage. I
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Speaker 1: would think that the day of the discovery of the bodies,
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Speaker 1: that they would have sent investigators around to these businesses
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Speaker 1: to collect all of it right then. But if you're
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Speaker 1: waiting on collecting it and it's taking you some time,
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Speaker 1: there's a chance that the evidence goes away. Videos get deleted.
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Speaker 1: Surveillance videos You know, they record over themselves. So there's
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Speaker 1: always the chance that something is missed if this isn't
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Speaker 1: canvassed right away. Fox News has learned investigators traveled at
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Speaker 1: least 24 miles to the east of Moscow, Idaho, to
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Speaker 1: the nearby towns of Troy and Kendrick to acquire surveillance
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Speaker 1: video in relation to the quadruple homicide of four University
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Speaker 1: of Idaho students. And this is the proper thing to do.
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Speaker 1: You don't know where these people came from or where
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Speaker 1: this person came from. Did they get gas here in Kendrick?
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Speaker 1: Did they get gas in Troy? We don't know. And
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Speaker 1: as the police continue to scour for evidence for surveillance video,
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Speaker 1: hopefully it's going to make that picture come into a
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Speaker 1: much more clear view. Because as of now... You know,
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Speaker 1: it's a needle in a haystack, right? A Hyundai Elantra,
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Speaker 1: as the investigators have already said. They have over 22,000
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Speaker 1: registered Hyundai Elantras that they have to go through. What
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Speaker 1: about the ones that aren't registered? What about the ones
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Speaker 1: that have been stolen and all the rest of that?
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Speaker 1: So it's a pretty large task here. And you would
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Speaker 1: think that if it was somebody local, somebody would have
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Speaker 1: come forward already and been like, hey, my neighbor Joe Blow,
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Speaker 1: he has this exact car and he's been acting goofy.
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Speaker 1: But we haven't seen anything like that. So it's one
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Speaker 1: of those cases where there's no precedent for this, right?
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Speaker 1: There's no, oh, usually this is happening. That can go
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Speaker 1: right out the window in this case. An employee at
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Speaker 1: a gas station in Troy, Idaho, about 12 miles east
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Speaker 1: of Moscow on Highway 8, tells Fox News investigators asked
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Speaker 1: for video, but their property does not have a camera
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Speaker 1: facing outside. A manager from the Food City store in Kendrick,
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Speaker 1: about 24 miles east of Moscow, tells Fox News investigators
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Speaker 1: asked for video from cameras on their property. Now, I
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Speaker 1: think it's a great thing that they're out doing this,
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Speaker 1: but how did they miss the gas station that's only
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Speaker 1: a few miles away from this house? How is it
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Speaker 1: that that clerk had to go through that surveillance video
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Speaker 1: themselves and let the police know? Shouldn't the police have
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Speaker 1: just come there and taken that surveillance video? Maybe I'm
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Speaker 1: missing something here. That manager tells Fox News that on
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Speaker 1: November 30th, the Idaho State Police requested video ranging from
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Speaker 1: November 12th to November 14th and the business was able
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Speaker 1: to digitally provide that surveillance footage. Neither the gas station
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Speaker 1: nor the food store indicated they thoroughly looked through their
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Speaker 1: own video for anything unusual. So wait a minute, hold on.
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Speaker 1: So this happened on the 13th. It took them 17
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Speaker 1: days to get up there and collect this footage? I
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Speaker 1: would think that that would be one of the first
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Speaker 1: things you do, go around and say, hey, anyone got
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Speaker 1: surveillance here? Fox News also confirms investigators requested surveillance video
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Speaker 1: from dozens of businesses within the town of Moscow, including
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Speaker 1: a liquor store, a coffee shop, a gym, and a
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Speaker 1: gas station. On Tuesday, Fox News Digital obtained a still
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Speaker 1: frame from the gas station surveillance video that shows a
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Speaker 1: four-door white sedan drive by around 3.45 a.m. on the
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Speaker 1: morning of the murders. Investigators have said that the students
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Speaker 1: were killed between 3 a.m.
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Speaker 2: And 4 a.m.
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Speaker 1: So I'm still stuck on the fact that it took
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Speaker 1: them 17 days to go around and look for footage.
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Speaker 1: How much footage has been destroyed by that point or
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Speaker 1: recorded over? Thankfully, this food market has some kind of
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Speaker 1: digital surveillance. But these smaller stores, convenience stores, do you
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Speaker 1: really think that they have the money to just store
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Speaker 1: all these videos and keep them forever? I'm sure they
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Speaker 1: get rid of them, you know, weekly or biweekly or
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Speaker 1: something like that at most places. And it takes you
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Speaker 1: 17 days to get out there and canvas? On Thursday afternoon,
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Speaker 1: the acting public information officer for Moscow police, Robbie Johnson,
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Speaker 1: told Fox News that investigators are combing through information on 22,000
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Speaker 1: white 2011 through 2013 Hyundai Elantras registered in the Washington
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Speaker 1: and Idaho region. Police are asking the public to be
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Speaker 1: on the lookout for the Hyundai saying the white car
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Speaker 1: was at or near the crime scene on November 13th.
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Speaker 1: And as of Thursday afternoon, the driver or possible occupants
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Speaker 1: have yet to come forward. So my guess is, and
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Speaker 1: this is just a guess, remember, that whoever was driving
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Speaker 1: this Hyundai, they know there's an investigation going on and
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Speaker 1: they know that people are looking for them. And if
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Speaker 1: they haven't come forward, there's probably a reason why they
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Speaker 1: haven't come forward. because I don't know anyone who doesn't
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Speaker 1: know about this case at this point. I mean, I
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Speaker 1: guess we can say that the driver might not have
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Speaker 1: any clue about what's going on, but I think that.
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Speaker 2: Would be a bridge that's pretty far, right?
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Speaker 1: Thinking that with all of the coverage of this, all
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Speaker 1: of the news coverage, especially locally, that someone who's a
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Speaker 1: local has no idea what's going on here.
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Speaker 2: That's a hard sell.
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Speaker 1: And if they are local and they have this vehicle
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Speaker 1: and they haven't come forward, then we have to ask ourselves,
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Speaker 1: Why haven't they come forward? So I can't get rid
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Speaker 1: of the feeling that when all is said and done,
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Speaker 1: we're going to find out that this was a stolen vehicle. Now, again,
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Speaker 1: I can't, you know, say that with certainty. It's just
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Speaker 1: a hunch that I have. And if this killer was smart,
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Speaker 1: they certainly wouldn't be using a car that was registered
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Speaker 1: to them, right? And with how easy it is to
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Speaker 1: steal this model of car, I think it's something that
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Speaker 1: has to be explored. And my guess is law enforcement
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Speaker 1: is exploring that avenue as we speak. We don't know
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Speaker 1: who owns this car. We need information from anybody that
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Speaker 1: might connect us with who was in the car that night,
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Speaker 1: Johnson told Fox News. So that could be anything ranging
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Speaker 1: from somebody who happened to be there to whatever you
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Speaker 1: might imagine. Police say the license is unknown, and Johnson
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Speaker 1: would not clarify if the license plate could have been removed,
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Speaker 1: which is certainly possible as well. If it wasn't a
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Speaker 1: stolen car, and it's something that, you know, it's your
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Speaker 1: mode of transportation, At the very least, you'd want to
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Speaker 1: take off that license plate if you plan on walking
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Speaker 1: into a house and slaughtering four people while they were asleep, right?
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Speaker 1: That would make sense. Fox News asked Johnson how many
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Speaker 1: miles outside of Moscow police might have traveled to request
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Speaker 1: video surveillance. She would not specify, but said video or
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Speaker 1: tips could essentially come from anywhere in the country. It's
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Speaker 1: not just one thing that we're looking into about the
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Speaker 1: white car. It's many, many different things. And just taking
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Speaker 1: that further until we get the answers we need or
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Speaker 1: find it is not taking us anywhere, Johnson said. So
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Speaker 1: they're all over it. And from that statement by Robbie Johnson,
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Speaker 1: it would lead me to believe that the police don't
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Speaker 1: have all of their eggs in one basket, thinking that
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Speaker 1: this vehicle is still in the direct region of Moscow.
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Speaker 1: And with her saying that, forget it. Who knows where
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Speaker 1: the hell the Elantra is? I mean, at this point,
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Speaker 1: you would think that whoever was in possession of it,
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Speaker 1: if they were involved in this crime, has gotten rid
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Speaker 1: of the vehicle by this point. Burned it, left it
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Speaker 1: in the desert, whatever. But if you're going to be
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Speaker 1: driving around in this Hyundai Elantra and you're involved in
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Speaker 1: these crimes, your time is short. Eventually, you're going to
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Speaker 1: get caught. If you're in the same vehicle that was
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Speaker 1: used at the crime scene, oh yeah, your time is
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Speaker 1: not long. Now the question is, is the perpetrator or
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Speaker 1: perpetrators still in possession of this vehicle? If they're smart,
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Speaker 1: they wouldn't be. But who knows what we're dealing with here? Again,
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Speaker 1: we have no idea what really happened that night besides
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Speaker 1: some of the basics that have been released by the investigators.
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Speaker 1: And besides that, it's just all speculation and theory. So
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Speaker 1: in they find this white Hyundai Elantra or announce another
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Speaker 1: break in the case, it would seem that this white
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Speaker 1: Hyundai Elantra and the people who are driving it are
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Speaker 1: the focus of the investigation. All right, folks, that's going
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Speaker 1: and welcome back to the program. Ever since the police
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Speaker 1: first started giving us updates about what went on in Moscow,
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Speaker 1: one of the things that they have said is that
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Speaker 1: there was a expansive crime scene and a lot of
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Speaker 1: DNA evidence that they had to go through and collect
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Speaker 1: and send out to the lab. Well, according to Chief Fry,
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Speaker 1: who gave an interview last night with a local news station,
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Speaker 1: he's saying that they're still waiting on those results to
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Speaker 1: come back. We heard previously that they had received some
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Speaker 1: of those results. But hearing from Chief Fry here, he's
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Speaker 1: saying that they're still waiting on some of this DNA
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Speaker 1: evidence to come back. And it does make sense. Considering
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Speaker 1: how big and expansive the crime scene was and how
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Speaker 1: much they had to collect, you would think it would
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Speaker 1: take them a little bit of time to go through
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Speaker 1: this DNA evidence. However, I would hope that it's all
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Speaker 1: being expedited. And that they're asking for help from neighboring
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Speaker 1: states and other agencies that are equipped to handle this
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Speaker 1: sort of thing. And I know that they have access
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Speaker 1: to mobile labs, and I'd like to see some of
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Speaker 1: those brought up there as well.
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Speaker 2: Because guess what?
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Speaker 1: When you have a budget of over a million dollars
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Speaker 1: that has been provided to the investigation from the governor
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Speaker 1: of Idaho, you should utilize all of those funds. And
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Speaker 1: if that means bringing in a couple of mobile labs
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Speaker 1: to help expedite this, I think that should be something
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Speaker 1: they look into. Because the sooner this DNA evidence gets
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Speaker 1: back and the sooner they're able to put all of
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Speaker 1: the pieces together, the sooner we're going to see somebody
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Speaker 1: in bracelets and paying for their crimes. Today we're going
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Speaker 1: to dive into some of the headlines that we might
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Speaker 1: have missed from overnight. And to do that, once again,
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Speaker 1: we'll be using the Independent. Headline, Idaho Murders. Moscow investigators
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Speaker 1: still waiting for results from the university stabbings crime scene.
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Speaker 1: This article was authored by Andrea Blanco and Rachel Sharp.
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Speaker 1: Moscow Police Department Chief James Frye said his investigators are
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Speaker 1: still waiting for lab results from evidence collected at the
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Speaker 1: scene where four University of Idaho students were murdered last month.
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Speaker 1: We don't want to rush that. We want to ensure
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Speaker 1: that they're taking their time to get all of that right, Mr.
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Speaker 1: Fry said in a sit-down interview with CBS affiliate KREM2
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Speaker 1: News on Tuesday. Real life and the movies are a
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Speaker 1: lot different. You know in the movies they have all
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Speaker 1: the results back in an hour. We don't get that
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Speaker 1: in real life. So we're going to be patient, he added.
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Speaker 1: And that's fine and well, and everybody understands that. But
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Speaker 1: patience does have a limit. And people in the community,
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Speaker 1: family members, friends, loved ones, they expect results. And you
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Speaker 1: can keep saying it's not a movie, it's not this,
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Speaker 1: it's not that. But the reality is results are expected. Now,
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Speaker 1: rational people understand that it takes time, but that time
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Speaker 1: is not infinite. And these investigators have to understand that
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Speaker 1: there has to be some progress and there has to
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Speaker 1: be some results at some point, or they're going to
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Speaker 1: come directly under the microscope, whether that's fair or unfair.
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Speaker 2: That's just the reality of how this goes.
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Speaker 1: Mr. Fry could not say whether DNA had been found
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Speaker 1: at the scene. Well, he doesn't need to say it.
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Speaker 1: We obviously know that DNA was found at the scene.
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Speaker 1: Now the question is, was that DNA the DNA of
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Speaker 1: the killer? We don't know that, but there's a guarantee
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Speaker 1: that there's DNA all over this house. Never mind just
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Speaker 1: in those rooms, but everywhere. This being a college house,
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Speaker 1: a party house, you know that people were in and
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Speaker 1: out all the time. 46 days on from the killings
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Speaker 1: of Madison Mogan, Kaylee Gonsalves, Zanna Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin,
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Speaker 1: no arrests have been made and no suspects have been identified.
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Speaker 1: On Tuesday, Moscow police said in a statement that they
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Speaker 1: believe someone knows something that could help lead investigators to
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Speaker 1: the killer. And there's zero doubt about that. So the
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Speaker 1: question now becomes, why are they still against offering a reward?
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Speaker 1: If somebody out there has information and they have not
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Speaker 1: come forward as of now, what makes anyone think they're
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Speaker 1: going to come forward in a couple of days or
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Speaker 1: in a week? Obviously, a little bit of motivation is needed.
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Speaker 1: And if that motivation is a couple of bucks, then
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Speaker 1: so be it. Whatever gets people talking, whatever gets lips moving,
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Speaker 1: and whatever gets justice on the fast track. Investigators believe
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Speaker 1: someone has information that adds context to what occurred on
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Speaker 1: the night of the murders, police said, urging the public
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Speaker 1: to continue to submit tips, photos, and videos, whether you
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Speaker 1: believe it is significant or not. And the public has
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Speaker 1: continued to do so. a bunch of tips, a bunch
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Speaker 1: of leads. And unfortunately, at least as far as we know,
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Speaker 1: being the public, none of that has amounted to anything.
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Speaker 1: We're still basically in the same place we were when
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Speaker 1: we heard about these murders 46 days ago. Now, again,
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Speaker 1: to reiterate, that doesn't mean the police are no closer
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Speaker 1: to finding the person. I'm just saying us, the public.
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Speaker 1: All we have to sink our teeth into really is
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Speaker 1: the Hyundai Elantra. Besides that, It's pretty much just speculation,
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Speaker 1: guess and theory work at this point. Police chief addresses
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Speaker 1: release of mysterious 911 call. Now, this is something everybody
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Speaker 1: wants to hear. Everybody wants to hear this 911 call.
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Speaker 1: And there's a lot of questions about how somebody could
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Speaker 1: be considered unconscious when they're dead. And hopefully the 911
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Speaker 1: call will add a little more context to that, because
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Speaker 1: there's obviously a reason why. why the person calling thought
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Speaker 1: that the dead person or dead people were just unconscious.
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Speaker 1: So it'll definitely add some more context to what happened
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Speaker 1: and to what that 911.
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Speaker 2: Call was all about.
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Speaker 1: Moscow Police Chief James Fry has stirred fresh speculation over
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Speaker 1: the release of the 911 call, which led to the
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Speaker 1: discovery of the four University of Idaho victims' bodies. Authorities
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Speaker 1: have kept a tight lid On the call for over
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Speaker 1: six weeks since Kaylee Gonsalves, Madison Mogan, Zanna Carnotal, and
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Speaker 1: Ethan Chapin were found stabbed to death in their beds
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Speaker 1: on November 13th. So why would they keep this phone
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Speaker 1: call so.
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Speaker 2: Close to the vest?
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Speaker 1: Why is it that they have not released the initial
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Speaker 1: 911 call? It's a very good question, and I wish
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Speaker 1: I had an answer for it. The call was about
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Speaker 1: an unconscious individual and was made hours after the victims
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Speaker 1: were believed to have been killed and came from a
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Speaker 1: phone belonging to one of the roommates. The identity of
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Speaker 1: the caller has yet to be revealed. I don't really
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Speaker 1: care about the identity of the caller as much as
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Speaker 1: the content of the call. Because I think it's significant.
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Speaker 1: And I think it'll add a lot of context when
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Speaker 1: we hear it for ourselves what the call was initially about. Mr.
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Speaker 1: Fry was pressed on when the call would be released
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Speaker 1: in a rare interview with KREM.
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Speaker 2: TV this week.
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Speaker 1: I think it'll be released when the prosecution believes that
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Speaker 1: we can release that, he said. That may be at trial.
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Speaker 1: That may be before then. So basically, same stuff as usual.
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Speaker 1: We don't know. We'll let you know when we know.
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Speaker 1: And that's been the M.O. for this investigation, pretty much
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Speaker 1: from Jump Street. Asked whether the call could help bring
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Speaker 1: investigators closer to making an arrest, Mr. Fry declined to
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Speaker 1: give a firm answer. I can't discuss that. It's part
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Speaker 1: of the investigation. But as soon as we can release
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Speaker 1: that information, we will, he said. So here's the real question.
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Speaker 1: Why is he even giving any interviews at this point
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Speaker 1: if he's not adding anything to what we already know?
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Speaker 1: Once again, just going to open himself up to criticism
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Speaker 1: and to people asking this same exact question. Why are
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Speaker 1: you giving interviews if you're not giving us any new information?
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Speaker 1: Just stick with the press releases and be done with it.
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Speaker 1: And if you're going to grant an interview, at the
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Speaker 1: very least, be able to answer some of these questions.
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Speaker 1: And if you're not at that point of your investigation,
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Speaker 1: just don't give these interviews yet. Everything we know about
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Speaker 1: the 911 call. The 911 call was made at 11.58 a.m.
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Speaker 1: on the 13th of November and originated from the phone
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Speaker 1: of one of the two roommates who survived the attack.
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Speaker 1: A dispatcher was told there was an unconscious individual. Authorities
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Speaker 1: have since revealed that other friends were present in the
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Speaker 1: house when the 911 call was made after they were
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Speaker 1: summoned by the roommates. The surviving roommates summoned friends to
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Speaker 1: the residence because they believed one of the sexes floor
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Speaker 1: victims had passed out and was not waking up a
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Speaker 1: statement by Moscow PD read and that could be where
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Speaker 1: they got the unconscious individual from called their friends Maddie
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Speaker 1: doesn't want to answer the phone she's not answering when
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Speaker 1: we knock on the door we're scared can you come
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Speaker 1: over I can see a scenario like that playing out
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Speaker 1: for sure but we'll get more information and more context
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Speaker 1: when we can hear the phone call for ourselves. Multiple
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Speaker 1: people talked with the 911 dispatcher before a Moscow police
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Speaker 1: officer arrived at the location. Officers entered the residence and
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Speaker 1: found the four victims on the second and third floors.
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Speaker 1: Police have refused to reveal who made the 911 call
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Speaker 1: and will not.
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Speaker 2: Release the audio.
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Speaker 1: So that leads me to believe that there's something significant there.
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Speaker 1: whatever it might be, something that the investigators believe is
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Speaker 1: significant to their investigation, and that's why we haven't had
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Speaker 1: this 911 call released. When pressed by the Independent on
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Speaker 1: why the call could not be released, the department said,
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Speaker 1: the contents are exempt from public disclosure because the records
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Speaker 1: are active investigatory records, which, if released, would interfere with
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Speaker 1: enforcement proceedings, whatever that means. You can take that and
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Speaker 1: run with it. And then they wonder why there's a
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Speaker 1: bunch of conspiracy theories and a bunch of wild shit
21:12
Speaker 1: surrounding this case. They don't clarify anything they say. The
21:17
Speaker 1: 911 call is part of the investigation?
21:20
Speaker 2: Why is that?
21:24
Speaker 1: What are the contents of that phone call that would
21:26
Speaker 1: make it part of an investigation, so much so that
21:29
Speaker 1: the public can't even hear a 911 call? Very interesting stuff.
21:36
Speaker 1: It's unclear what the roommates and other friends discussed in
21:39
Speaker 1: the call and what led them to describe a victim
21:42
Speaker 1: as merely unconscious. It is also unclear what the roommates
21:45
Speaker 1: and friends saw inside the home before placing the 911 call.
21:50
Speaker 1: And there's no way to know that yet. Until we
21:53
Speaker 1: hear from someone who was there, somebody who might have
21:55
Speaker 1: been at the house, one of these friends that came over,
21:58
Speaker 1: the investigators, we're not going to know what went on.
22:01
Speaker 1: We have no idea what happened at all, really. We
22:05
Speaker 1: have the very basics and that's it. And a lot
22:08
Speaker 1: of that is by design by the investigators. For whatever reason,
22:13
Speaker 1: that's the strategy that they've decided to use, where they're
22:16
Speaker 1: being very, very careful and they're not releasing anything for
22:20
Speaker 1: public consumption. And they say that's all about the integrity
22:24
Speaker 1: of the investigation. So hopefully when this is all said
22:27
Speaker 1: and done and an arrest has been made, all of
22:30
Speaker 1: this Being secretive in keeping your cards close to the
22:34
Speaker 1: vest pays off come trial time. Because for me anyway,
22:38
Speaker 1: the most important thing is that the person here who
22:41
Speaker 1: did this is held responsible and that they rot in
22:44
Speaker 1: prison or get the death penalty.
22:46
Speaker 2: That's all that really matters.
22:48
Speaker 1: So as long as that ends up being the end result,
22:52
Speaker 1: then the police will have their back slapped and they'll
22:55
Speaker 1: be cheered as great investigators. If it's anything less than that, however...
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Speaker 1: Police Chief James Fry is going to have some explaining
23:03
Speaker 1: to do. So let's hope it never gets to that
23:06
Speaker 1: part where Chief Fry has to explain how they never
23:09
Speaker 1: caught anybody. And let's hope that these investigators have somebody
23:13
Speaker 1: wrapped up and under arrest very, very soon.
23:18
Speaker 2: All right, folks, that's going to do it for this one.
23:20
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23:22
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23:41
Speaker 2: Hey there.
23:42
Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome back to the program. As
23:45
Speaker 1: we continue to inch ever closer to the start of
23:49
Speaker 1: the Brian Kohlberger trial, we are learning more and more
23:52
Speaker 1: every day about the investigation into Brian Kohlberger and the
23:57
Speaker 1: case that was built against him after he became the
24:00
Speaker 1: target of the investigation. And according to Dateline, they have
24:05
Speaker 1: new video of Brian Kohlberger's alleged car circling around the
24:10
Speaker 1: victim's home multiple times, and then it sped away 13
24:15
Speaker 1: minutes later. So this is footage that hadn't been seen
24:19
Speaker 1: before by the public, but now is being released. But
24:22
Speaker 1: the video certainly offers corroboration for what the authorities have
24:26
Speaker 1: told us from the very beginning about this vehicle and
24:30
Speaker 1: its proximity to the crime scene. So today we have
24:33
Speaker 1: an article from NBC News talking about this a little
24:36
Speaker 1: bit more. Headline, new video shows car resembling Brian Kohlberger's
24:41
Speaker 1: driving around the time of Idaho student murders. The video
24:45
Speaker 1: obtained by Dateline is among the evidence that investigators believe
24:49
Speaker 1: Trace's movements around the time four University of Idaho students
24:53
Speaker 1: were killed. This article was authored by Shane Bishop, Adam Gorfain,
24:58
Speaker 1: and Eric Ortiz. In the early morning hours of November 13th, 2022,
25:04
Speaker 1: when four University of Idaho students would be stabbed to
25:07
Speaker 1: death in an off-campus house as some of them slept,
25:10
Speaker 1: a neighbor's home security video captured the same white car
25:14
Speaker 1: circling the block multiple times. The vehicle approached the house
25:18
Speaker 1: again and again before speeding away 13 minutes later. The
25:22
Speaker 1: previously unseen footage obtained by Dateline offers another angle into
25:26
Speaker 1: the turbulent events at the time prosecutors believe the students
25:30
Speaker 1: were murdered. And when it comes to Brian Kohlberger, I
25:33
Speaker 1: think he's cooked because of the preponderance of evidence that's
25:36
Speaker 1: been collected against him. We're not talking about just one
25:39
Speaker 1: piece of evidence here. We're talking about a lot of evidence.
25:43
Speaker 1: And when you put it all together, that circumstantial evidence,
25:47
Speaker 1: that's how you build a case. Now, if they didn't
25:49
Speaker 1: have that DNA, if that DNA on the sheath did
25:52
Speaker 1: not exist, then I'd be much more willing to say
25:55
Speaker 1: that the prosecutors might have it wrong. But according to
25:58
Speaker 1: all the evidence that we've seen here, according to everything
26:01
Speaker 1: that we know, it sure looks like they have the
26:04
Speaker 1: right guy to me. The question is, are they going
26:06
Speaker 1: to be able to prove it? Photos and digital materials
26:10
Speaker 1: are included in a two-hour special airing Friday tracing suspect
26:14
Speaker 1: Brian Kohlberger's movements and online habits before and after the
26:18
Speaker 1: killings that stunned the small community of Moscow, Idaho. I
26:23
Speaker 1: think it stunned everybody. Not very often you wake up
26:27
Speaker 1: to hear about four college kids, or kids in general,
26:30
Speaker 1: who have been brutally murdered while they slept. Not exactly
26:33
Speaker 1: the kind of news that you're expecting, right? And considering
26:36
Speaker 1: the amount of people that have been to college, the
26:38
Speaker 1: amount of people that have kids in school, a lot
26:41
Speaker 1: of people could relate to what was going on. And
26:43
Speaker 1: of course that led to all the attention we see
26:45
Speaker 1: here when it comes to Brian Koberger and the murders
26:48
Speaker 1: in Moscow. Investigators referred to a white Hyundai Elantra believed
26:53
Speaker 1: to be from 2011 to 2013 as a critical clue
26:57
Speaker 1: as they solicited the public's help in finding a suspect.
27:01
Speaker 1: It also remains one of several key pieces of evidence
27:04
Speaker 1: including DNA and cell phone data that prosecutors say ties
27:08
Speaker 1: Kohlberger to the crime scene. Kohlberger drove a white 2015 Elantra.
27:15
Speaker 1: Cell phone tower data and phone records also obtained by
27:18
Speaker 1: Dateline indicate that an FBI cell phone expert said Kohlberger's
27:22
Speaker 1: phone connected to a cell tower providing coverage within 100
27:26
Speaker 1: meters of the rental house at 1122 King Road. It
27:30
Speaker 1: connected 23 visits over a four-month period, all after dark,
27:35
Speaker 1: one visit was just six days before the killings. Now
27:39
Speaker 1: explain that. I know there's people out there that want
27:42
Speaker 1: to say Kohlberger's innocent, but come on. What was he
27:45
Speaker 1: doing here? He has no connection to these girls, no
27:48
Speaker 1: connection to this house, but he's out here lurking, and
27:51
Speaker 1: then flip the script and fast forward to today, knowing
27:55
Speaker 1: everything we know about these murders, and what we know
27:57
Speaker 1: now about Kohlberger, and it's very apparent that the state
28:01
Speaker 1: has a very, very strong case. And I think that
28:04
Speaker 1: Kohlberger's only chance is that some sort of prosecutorial misconduct occurs,
28:08
Speaker 1: and it leads to him getting off. But short of that,
28:11
Speaker 1: I don't see how Kohlberger is going to find himself
28:14
Speaker 1: an off-ramp here, and find a way to beat the charges.
28:18
Speaker 1: It is just not likely. And it's kind of like
28:21
Speaker 1: the situation with Alec Murdoch. Once we had that digital footage,
28:25
Speaker 1: and that digital footage showed what it showed, there was
28:28
Speaker 1: no way that Alec Murdoch was beating those charges. And
28:31
Speaker 1: I remember people talking like Alec Murdoch was innocent. And
28:34
Speaker 1: it's the same usual suspects who talk about people like
28:37
Speaker 1: Koberger like he's innocent. Look, there's a cottage industry of
28:41
Speaker 1: people out there who have no integrity. and don't care
28:44
Speaker 1: about the facts. All they care about is clicks and
28:46
Speaker 1: driving traffic to their website or their content. But I
28:51
Speaker 1: find that to be disgusting, honestly.
28:53
Speaker 2: Facts matter.
28:54
Speaker 1: We're not talking about make-believe things here. We're talking about
28:57
Speaker 1: real people, real murders, and real families that are suffering
29:01
Speaker 1: in the wake of all of it. Meanwhile, phone data
29:04
Speaker 1: from Koberger's phone and in the possession of law enforcement
29:07
Speaker 1: include internet searches in the weeks before and after killings
29:11
Speaker 1: on serial killer Ted Bundy, and searches for pornography with
29:15
Speaker 1: the words forced, passed out, drugged, and sleeping. Hell of
29:18
Speaker 1: a guy, that Brian Kohlberger. Now look, it doesn't make
29:21
Speaker 1: him a murderer, right? But what are you doing, bro?
29:25
Speaker 1: Pornography with the words forced, passed out, drugged, and sleeping?
29:29
Speaker 2: What are you, Diddy?
29:30
Speaker 1: Kohlberger, who at the time was a graduate student in
29:33
Speaker 1: criminology at nearby Washington State University, was eventually arrested in
29:37
Speaker 1: late December 2022 for while he was back at home
29:41
Speaker 1: at his family's house in Pennsylvania. A judge entered a
29:45
Speaker 1: not guilty plea on his behalf in May of 2023
29:48
Speaker 1: on four counts of first degree murder and one count
29:51
Speaker 1: of burglary. Defense lawyers have said Kohlberger maintains his innocence,
29:56
Speaker 1: and during a court hearing in Boise last month, they
29:59
Speaker 1: teased the possibility of an alternate suspect. Oh yeah, let's
30:03
Speaker 1: do it. I cannot wait for this. Unlike the situation
30:07
Speaker 1: with Karen Reid, there wasn't a botched investigation here, so
30:11
Speaker 1: there's no basis for any of that bullshit. And I'm
30:14
Speaker 1: going to tell you right now, if people start in
30:16
Speaker 1: on it, we're going to hammer the fuck out of
30:18
Speaker 1: them on this podcast. Because I've had my fill of
30:22
Speaker 1: grifters and carnival barkers that don't know the first thing
30:26
Speaker 1: about the first thing who are out here talking all
30:29
Speaker 1: kinds of nonsense. Enough is enough already. Because as far
30:32
Speaker 1: as the evidence goes, there hasn't been one single hint
30:35
Speaker 1: of an alternate suspect. Not once. Maybe the suspect, the
30:40
Speaker 1: alternate suspect, was with Brian Kohlberger when they were doing
30:43
Speaker 1: some stargazing. Judge Stephen Hippler said the defense must present
30:48
Speaker 1: any such evidence by this month ahead of Kohlberger's murder
30:51
Speaker 1: trial planned to start August 11th. Kohlberger, 30, could face
30:56
Speaker 1: the death penalty if convicted. Latah County prosecutors have not
30:59
Speaker 1: detailed a motive for the attack, and a gag order
31:02
Speaker 1: prevents many involved in the case from speaking publicly. So yeah,
31:06
Speaker 1: we don't know the motive yet, that's for sure. We
31:09
Speaker 1: haven't had any sort of hint at what the motive
31:12
Speaker 1: could be. Now, I've said from the beginning that I
31:15
Speaker 1: think Kohlberger ran into Maddie at the Mad Greek, but
31:19
Speaker 1: that's just speculation. We have no idea as far as
31:22
Speaker 1: what the official story is. Now, we're going to learn
31:25
Speaker 1: that as things get closer, but as of now, it's
31:29
Speaker 1: just speculating one way or the other. Kohlberger's lawyers have
31:32
Speaker 1: said in court filings that Kohlberger takes drives alone late
31:35
Speaker 1: at night, often hiking or stargazing, and contend cell phone
31:39
Speaker 1: data shows he was not near the crime scene when
31:42
Speaker 1: the killings occurred. He had his cell phone off. How
31:45
Speaker 1: do we know anything about the data at that point?
31:48
Speaker 2: You know what's crazy?
31:49
Speaker 1: They try and spin these fairy tales, and they try
31:52
Speaker 1: and spin this narrative, and it works on some people,
31:56
Speaker 1: but those are the people who haven't read the court documents.
31:59
Speaker 1: And I know I've said it before, but I'll say
32:01
Speaker 1: it again because it's worth saying. If you want the truth,
32:04
Speaker 1: you have to dive into the court documents and spend
32:07
Speaker 1: the time going through it. And if you don't, you're
32:11
Speaker 1: not really going to know what you're talking about. You're
32:13
Speaker 1: going to have no context, you're going to go off half-cocked, half-baked,
32:17
Speaker 1: and your opinion is going to make you look like
32:19
Speaker 1: an absolute moron. But there's some folks out there that
32:21
Speaker 1: can't be bothered to put in the time and look
32:24
Speaker 1: at the court documents and look at the facts. Instead,
32:27
Speaker 1: they want to pitch all kinds of BS. How Kohlberger
32:30
Speaker 1: may have known any of the victims, housemates Madison Mogan,
32:34
Speaker 1: Kaylee Gonsalves, Zanna Kernodle, as well as Kernodle's boyfriend Ethan Chapin,
32:38
Speaker 1: is unclear. In June of 2022, Kohlberger moved to Pullman,
32:43
Speaker 1: Washington to study at Washington State University, about eight miles
32:47
Speaker 1: west of Moscow. Ten days after moving in, he was
32:50
Speaker 1: invited to a pool party in Moscow where attendees told
32:54
Speaker 1: Dateline they had awkward interactions with Kohlberger. One former female
32:59
Speaker 1: graduate student said Kohlberger put his number in her phone
33:02
Speaker 1: and then texted her the next day, mentioning how they
33:05
Speaker 1: chatted about hiking. The text read in part, I really
33:08
Speaker 1: enjoy that activity, so please let me know. The wording
33:12
Speaker 1: of the text, as I look back on it, is
33:14
Speaker 1: kind of peculiar. The woman said, It was almost overly formal. Well,
33:19
Speaker 1: that could be explained by Brian Koberger just being awkward.
33:22
Speaker 1: And I'm not somebody that takes too much away from that.
33:25
Speaker 1: His interactions with other people kind of give us an
33:27
Speaker 1: idea that he's awkward, but it doesn't make him a murderer.
33:30
Speaker 1: When the fall semester began, Kohlberger, who also served as
33:34
Speaker 1: a teaching assistant, had other interactions that stuck out to
33:38
Speaker 1: fellow classmates and teachers, some of whom made complaints that
33:41
Speaker 1: led to the dean to discuss his professional behavior. And
33:45
Speaker 1: the whole entire mythology of Brian Kohlberger being an oh
33:48
Speaker 1: shucks kinda awkward dude is unraveling before your eyes. This
33:53
Speaker 1: dude wasn't just awkward, he was straight up weird. And
33:56
Speaker 1: not just that, but he was also creepy, according to
33:58
Speaker 1: a lot of people who knew him. But again, that
34:01
Speaker 1: doesn't mean he's responsible for murdering four people. Prosecutors say
34:08
Speaker 1: DNA was discovered on a knife sheath located on a
34:11
Speaker 1: bed next to Mogan's body and testing found it to
34:14
Speaker 1: be a statistical match to Kohlberger's. Investigators had used genetic
34:19
Speaker 1: genealogy to identify a source and then pulled trash outside
34:22
Speaker 1: of the Kohlberger family home in Pennsylvania. Prosecutors also contend
34:27
Speaker 1: Kohlberger purchased a K-Bar knife from Amazon eight months before
34:31
Speaker 1: the murders on March 20th, and that was the same
34:34
Speaker 1: type of sheath that comes with a K-Bar found in
34:37
Speaker 1: the victim's home. Defense lawyers have said during court proceedings
34:40
Speaker 1: that there are other unidentified male DNA samples at the
34:44
Speaker 1: crime scene, suggesting the possibility of other suspects. In recent weeks,
34:48
Speaker 1: prosecutors and the defense have argued over what should be
34:51
Speaker 1: admissible at Kohlberger's trial, including 911 calls and text messages
34:56
Speaker 1: shared by two housemates, who were home at the time
34:59
Speaker 1: of the killings, but were physically unharmed. And you can
35:03
Speaker 1: say whatever you want about this DNA of unidentified males,
35:08
Speaker 1: but if there was something there, Kohlberger's team would have
35:10
Speaker 1: sunk their teeth in already. So my guess is, it's
35:14
Speaker 1: a big nothing burger, just like all the other alleged
35:17
Speaker 1: allegations that have been made by Kohlberger and his team.
35:21
Speaker 1: Hippler last month also said he would allow the surviving
35:24
Speaker 1: roommate to testify that she saw a masked intruder with
35:27
Speaker 1: bushy eyebrows inside the home. The defense sought to have
35:30
Speaker 1: that description barred, arguing that it would result in unfair
35:34
Speaker 1: prejudice towards Kohlberger. And of course, Judge Hippler decided that
35:38
Speaker 1: that was up to the jury to decide, not up
35:41
Speaker 1: to him or.
35:42
Speaker 2: To the defense.
35:43
Speaker 1: So it's going to be real interesting to watch this
35:45
Speaker 1: dateline on Friday and see what sort of new video
35:48
Speaker 1: they have. and see what it adds as far as
35:50
Speaker 1: context to what we already know. And I think that
35:53
Speaker 1: the picture that's being painted is one that is less
35:56
Speaker 1: than favorable for Brian Kohlberger. All of the information that
36:01
Speaker 1: goes with this episode can be found in the description box.
36:04
Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome back to the program. On
36:08
Speaker 1: today's episode, we're going to talk a little bit more
36:11
Speaker 1: about the ongoing battle in the courtroom up in Idaho
36:14
Speaker 1: when it comes to the genealogical tests that were performed
36:18
Speaker 1: that led the prosecution to what eventually became Brian Kohlberger. Well,
36:23
Speaker 1: Brian Kohlberger's team, they wanted access to how all of
36:27
Speaker 1: this came about, but the prosecution said that none of
36:30
Speaker 1: this was going to be used as direct evidence inside
36:33
Speaker 1: of the courtroom, so they didn't want to turn it over. Well,
36:37
Speaker 1: it looks like the judge is going to let Brian
36:39
Speaker 1: Kohlberger's team at least get a look at some of
36:43
Speaker 1: this stuff. And whatever they do get a look at, obviously,
36:47
Speaker 1: is going to be filed under seal. So today, we
36:50
Speaker 1: have an article from Fox News that's going to give
36:53
Speaker 1: us a little bit more context about what went down. So,
36:56
Speaker 1: let's dive right in. Today's article, like I said, published
37:01
Speaker 1: by Fox News, and the headline. Idaho judge gives Brian
37:05
Speaker 1: Koberger win over genetic genealogy battle. Judge to review DNA
37:09
Speaker 1: evidence prosecutors want to withhold from Brian Koberger's defense. This
37:14
Speaker 1: article was authored by Michael Ruiz. An Idaho judge gave
37:20
Speaker 1: quadruple murder suspect Brian Kohlberger's defense a minor victory last
37:24
Speaker 1: week after denying their efforts to dismiss the indictment against
37:28
Speaker 1: him for the stabbing deaths of four university students last year.
37:33
Speaker 1: And I think that this is the right way to go.
37:35
Speaker 1: If you want to avoid any BS when we're talking
37:38
Speaker 1: about an appeal, or if you want to avoid, you know,
37:41
Speaker 1: a mistrial or anything like that, you might as well
37:44
Speaker 1: just give over this genealogical information and let them take
37:48
Speaker 1: a look at it, especially considering it seems as if
37:52
Speaker 1: the prosecution has an airtight case against Brian Kohlberger. Now,
37:57
Speaker 1: the issue at hand, I think, is they don't want
38:00
Speaker 1: to set a precedent in Idaho where they turn over
38:03
Speaker 1: all of their homework, if you will, as they try
38:06
Speaker 1: and build these different profiles of these different suspects. And
38:10
Speaker 1: a lot of that has to do with giving up
38:12
Speaker 1: investigative techniques. So there's certainly a battle going on here
38:16
Speaker 1: in the court. And for the prosecution, there certainly are
38:19
Speaker 1: wider implications if they do have to turn over all
38:22
Speaker 1: of this genetic information. Because now what might happen moving forward,
38:27
Speaker 1: this might become the norm. And the prosecution obviously does
38:31
Speaker 1: not want that to take place. My guess is that
38:33
Speaker 1: when all is said and done, the judge is going
38:35
Speaker 1: to let them take a look at this genetic roadmap,
38:38
Speaker 1: but everything's going to be done under seal. That way
38:41
Speaker 1: there's no chance of anything being leaked. Kohlberger, who is
38:45
Speaker 1: accused of killing Madison Mogan, Kaylee Gonsalves, Zanna Kernodle, and
38:49
Speaker 1: Ethan Chapin in a 4 a.m. ambush in an off-campus
38:53
Speaker 1: rental home, is seeking specific details about how law enforcement
38:57
Speaker 1: used investigative genetic genealogy, IgG, to thumb him as a
39:01
Speaker 1: suspect after he allegedly left a K-bar knife sheath with
39:05
Speaker 1: his DNA on it under Mogan's body. In a 32-page order,
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Speaker 1: Judge John Judge granted a request for an in-camera review
39:14
Speaker 1: of the IGG evidence. So he's going to take a
39:18
Speaker 1: look at everything in person. They're going to present whatever
39:21
Speaker 1: they want to present to him. Judge Judge is going
39:23
Speaker 1: to take a look at all of it, and he's
39:25
Speaker 1: going to decide what is going to be turned over
39:28
Speaker 1: and what's not going to be turned over. And considering
39:32
Speaker 1: how much rope the judge has given Brian Kohlberger's team
39:35
Speaker 1: so far, I think that it's a pretty good bet
39:37
Speaker 1: that the defense team is going to get a look
39:40
Speaker 1: at this information. He will look at all the IGG
39:44
Speaker 1: evidence in the possession of the Latah County Prosecutor's Office
39:48
Speaker 1: and the FBI and determine what should be shared with
39:51
Speaker 1: the defense, what should be kept secret, and what should
39:54
Speaker 1: be redacted from the public. And the state of Idaho
39:57
Speaker 1: certainly tried to be coy, right? Oh, well, we don't
40:00
Speaker 1: have this information in our possession. It's in the possession
40:03
Speaker 1: of the FBI. Well, that didn't really work for Judge Judge,
40:07
Speaker 1: and that's why you see him calling for this hearing
40:09
Speaker 1: so he can review this information.
40:12
Speaker 2: I have a huge issue with this.
40:14
Speaker 1: Edwina Elcox, a Boise-based defense attorney who previously represented Colt
40:18
Speaker 1: Ma murderer Lori Vallow, told Fox News Digital on Monday,
40:23
Speaker 1: As a former prosecutor, I am of the position that
40:26
Speaker 1: the prosecution's file should be absolutely open. And I agree
40:30
Speaker 1: with that. I said that from the beginning. If you
40:32
Speaker 1: have a good prosecution and you have a strong case,
40:36
Speaker 1: you shouldn't be worried about who's looking at what. Now,
40:38
Speaker 1: of course, there are certain things that you don't want
40:41
Speaker 1: people to look at, obviously, because it's part of the
40:43
Speaker 1: strategy for the prosecution.
40:46
Speaker 2: But when we're talking about test results, yeah, I think
40:49
Speaker 2: that they should be turned over.
40:50
Speaker 1: At least whatever is exculpatory or whatever they're entitled to
40:55
Speaker 1: under Idaho code, there shouldn't be any half-stepping by the prosecution.
41:01
Speaker 1: In other words, none of the prosecution's evidence should be withheld,
41:04
Speaker 1: she said. And I agree with that. I think there
41:07
Speaker 1: might be some information that can't be public Anything should
41:11
Speaker 1: be fair game for the defense, she added. Maybe it's useful,
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Speaker 1: maybe it's not, but it shouldn't be for the judge
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Speaker 1: to decide. Prosecutors have argued that they shouldn't have to
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Speaker 1: turn over the IgG evidence because they didn't use it
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Speaker 1: to obtain any warrants, and they allegedly confirmed a direct
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Speaker 1: DNA match between Koberger and the knife sheath DNA with
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Speaker 1: a cheek swab, according to court documents. The state's argument
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Speaker 1: that the IgG investigation is wholly irrelevant since it was
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Speaker 1: not used in obtaining any warrants and will not be
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Speaker 1: used at trial is well supported, Judge wrote. Nonetheless, Kohlberger
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Speaker 1: is entitled to view at least some of the IGG
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Speaker 1: information in preparing his defense, even if it may ultimately
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Speaker 1: be found irrelevant. And again, I think this is the
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Speaker 1: right way to go, especially when we're talking about a
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Speaker 1: capital punishment case, right? We have to make sure that
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Speaker 1: this is the person who did it if they're going
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Speaker 1: to get a death penalty.
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Speaker 2: So there needs to be an extra layer.
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Speaker 1: Of transparency, in my opinion, when it comes to Brian
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Speaker 1: Kohlberger and what's going on here in Idaho. and I
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Speaker 1: think that the defense certainly should get a look at
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Speaker 1: this genealogy. Genealogy is the second most popular hobby in
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Speaker 1: the United States, according to court documents, at least anecdotally,
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Speaker 1: behind gardening. Now that's pretty crazy to think about. Genealogy
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Speaker 1: is a hobby? And the second most popular hobby in America?
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Speaker 1: Seems like a bit of a stretch, but I guess.
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Speaker 1: Fox News Digital could not find any polling or studies
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Speaker 1: to support the claim, but it's been reiterated in popular
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Speaker 1: culture and the media. Well, that must make it true, huh?
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Speaker 1: If pop culture and the media says it. When ABC
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Speaker 1: News referenced it in a report, when Ancestry.com sold for $ 1. 6 billion,
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Speaker 1: and both genealogy and the use of investigative genetic genealogy
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Speaker 1: have increased notably over the past decade.
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Speaker 2: The field is also the.
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Speaker 1: Second most searched topic online behind pornography, according to The
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Speaker 1: New Yorker. Well, we all know that porn is the
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Speaker 1: undisputed king of the internet. And I highly doubt that
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Speaker 1: any of these other topics are ever going to come
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Speaker 1: close to that topic when we're talking about things being
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Speaker 1: searched on the internet. But through a quote from a
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Speaker 1: 2019 column written by a University of Law professor at Utah,
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Speaker 1: Tennille Brown, the hobby has been co-opted by law enforcement
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Speaker 1: to solve cold cases by linking crime scene DNA with
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Speaker 1: the DNA of a suspect's relatives which is contained in
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Speaker 1: a direct-to-consumer genetic database. Brown told Fox News Digital on
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Speaker 1: Monday that she believes it's unlikely that the court will
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Speaker 1: find anything involving IgG will have violated Koberger's Fourth Amendment rights,
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Speaker 1: but that because the field is relatively new, the defense
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Speaker 1: may want to understand how that's the case. And I think, again,
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Speaker 1: this is the right way to go for the defense,
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Speaker 1: and as far as the court's concerned, they should just
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Speaker 1: hand it over. I think that they should get a
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Speaker 1: look at it Because, like Ms. Brown says here, I
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Speaker 1: don't think it's going to impact anything. In fact, I
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Speaker 1: think it's only going to strengthen what the prosecution has
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Speaker 1: already told us. Think of it like an interview with
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Speaker 1: a neighbor, she said. They're getting caught up on the
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Speaker 1: fact that it seems science fiction because it's the DNA
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Speaker 1: that was used as circumstantial evidence. But it's not actually
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Speaker 1: that different from just other ways that we figure out
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Speaker 1: who committed a crime. Police would typically not have to
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Speaker 1: hand over every note from their interview with a neighbor,
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Speaker 1: she said, and prosecutors likely don't want that to become
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Speaker 1: the precedent by submitting to the defense's request for IGG.
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Speaker 1: Authorities also don't want to divulge the identities of unknown relatives.
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Speaker 2: So that's what I was saying earlier. A lot of
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Speaker 2: it has to do with precedent.
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Speaker 1: Remember, the court, they really don't like to screw up
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Speaker 1: precedent that's already been set. And the same goes for prosecutors.
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Speaker 1: So my guess is they're going to get a look
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Speaker 1: at some of the stuff here. Some of it's going
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Speaker 1: to be kept under seal. And I think that we
45:32
Speaker 1: as the public, obviously, we're not going to get to
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Speaker 1: see any of it. But we'll get to see what's
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Speaker 1: under seal by following along with the court filings. But
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Speaker 1: defense attorneys should have a right to review even routine evidence,
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Speaker 1: according to Elcox, who said that they should try to
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Speaker 1: see for themselves whatever the judge reviews as well. I
45:52
Speaker 1: have personally had a case involving cell phone forensic evidence
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Speaker 1: where the prosecutor fought me every step of the way
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Speaker 1: on giving me full access to the cell phone data,
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Speaker 1: she told Fox News Digital. The judge conducted an in-camera review.
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Speaker 1: I still insisted on looking at it myself, probably to
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Speaker 1: the annoyance of everyone involved. I finally got to go
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Speaker 1: to the police station and look at the cell phone
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Speaker 1: data with a detective standing by. I found something that
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Speaker 1: everyone missed. Case dismissed. Both the prosecution and the defense
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Speaker 1: are bound by a gag order on the case. The
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Speaker 1: IGG information is all publicly available through the genealogy databases
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Speaker 1: that collect it so hobbyists can trace their own roots. However,
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Speaker 1: even the court hasn't been informed about the IGG specifics,
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Speaker 1: prompting the judge to order the review. Although police did
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Speaker 1: not use the FBI's IgG research to obtain any warrants
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Speaker 1: in the case, according to court filings, investigators used it
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Speaker 1: to gin up leads. Through the IgG process, the FBI
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Speaker 1: constructed a family tree of individuals whose DNA matched with
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Speaker 1: the DNA found on the knife sheath, Judge wrote. The
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Speaker 1: FBI then sent local law enforcement a tip to investigate
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Speaker 1: defendant Brian Kohlberger. In that investigation, Police in Pennsylvania took
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Speaker 1: trash from the curb outside Kohlberger's parents' house in Pennsylvania's
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Speaker 1: Pocono Mountains. There, they allegedly found a familial match between
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Speaker 1: his father's DNA and the knife sheath sample. So once
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Speaker 1: that happened, it was bad news for Kohlberger. Up until
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Speaker 1: the point where they matched that buccal swab to the
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Speaker 1: DNA on the sheath, he had a legitimate chance to
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Speaker 1: beat it on circumstantial. But not once that DNA was found.
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Speaker 1: Once that DNA was found, it's the glue that ties
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Speaker 1: everything together. And that's why you see his team going
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Speaker 1: so hard here to try and get a look at it.
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Speaker 1: Police arrested Kohlberger there on December 30th of 2022. All
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Speaker 1: four victims were undergrad students at the University of Idaho. Kohlberger,
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Speaker 1: who attended the neighboring Washington State University in pursuit of
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Speaker 1: a PhD in criminology, drove a white Hyundai Elantra, the
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Speaker 1: same type of car, investigators identified as the suspect vehicle,
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Speaker 1: and allegedly turned his phone off before heading to and
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Speaker 1: from the crime scene, according to the affidavit. Police, citing
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Speaker 1: cell phone records, also allege that he stalked the victim's
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Speaker 1: home on a dozen occasions before the murders and drove
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Speaker 1: by once more hours after. Kohlberger is being held without
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Speaker 1: bail on four charges of first-degree murder and a felony
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Speaker 1: burglary count, Judge entered not guilty please on his behalf
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Speaker 1: at his arraignment in May. He could face the death
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Speaker 1: penalty if convicted. Well, if he's convicted, he's going to
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Speaker 1: get the death penalty. So I think the only question
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Speaker 1: at this point is, will he be found guilty? And
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Speaker 1: with all of the evidence that's been lined up against him,
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Speaker 1: unless there is some kind of turn, unless something is revealed...
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Speaker 1: I don't see how Brian Kohlberger wiggles off this hook.
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Speaker 1: One thing I do know, though, is we're going to
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Speaker 1: be here every step of the way, documenting it as
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Speaker 1: it all goes down. All of the information that goes
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