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- 0:00Hello, everyone. This is Erica Spicer Mason with
- 0:02Becker's Healthcare. Thank you so much for tuning
- 0:05into the Becker's Healthcare podcast series today.
- 0:08So today, we're going to talk about scaling
- 0:10behavioral health and how health systems can design
- 0:13sustainable models for 2026
- 0:15and beyond.
- 0:16And joining me for this conversation, we have
- 0:19with us Adisa Shirley, the chief growth officer
- 0:21at Clinic Mind. Adisa, welcome to the podcast.
- 0:25Thank you so much for joining us today.
- 0:27Thank you so much for having me, Erica.
- 0:29So happy to have you, Adisa. And before
- 0:32we get into the conversation,
- 0:34would you mind sharing just a little bit
- 0:35more about yourself and the work that you
- 0:37do in health care?
- 0:39Absolutely.
- 0:40So my background is in behavioral health,
- 0:43of course, and my work has really lived
- 0:46at that intersection
- 0:47of clinical care operations
- 0:50and growth.
- 0:52I'm a clinician
- 0:53myself and,
- 0:55an IOS psychologist by training,
- 0:58currently serving as a chief growth officer at
- 1:00Clinic Mine.
- 1:02I've worked across behavioral health strategy,
- 1:05operational transformation,
- 1:07and also private equity related environment,
- 1:10which
- 1:11really gave me a front row view into
- 1:15what actually takes to scale organizations
- 1:19without
- 1:20losing
- 1:21that component
- 1:23of clinical
- 1:24integrity.
- 1:25So my perspective today is really shaped by
- 1:28both the care delivery side and the enterprise
- 1:31side,
- 1:32how you build models that improve access, stay
- 1:35operationally
- 1:36disciplined,
- 1:37and, of course,
- 1:39remain financially
- 1:41sustainable
- 1:42over time.
- 1:43At clinic mind, that really means focusing on
- 1:45the systems that are behind that care delivery,
- 1:48documentation, road flows, billing,
- 1:51operational efficiency
- 1:53so the clinicians
- 1:55can spend more time on doing what, they
- 1:58actually went to school to do. You know,
- 2:00spend time with patients and less time on
- 2:02the administrative button.
- 2:05Yeah. Well, it's great to learn more about
- 2:07you, Adisa, and I think you're bringing such
- 2:08an important perspective to the conversation today.
- 2:11You know, as we're seeing behavioral health care
- 2:14demand grow
- 2:15so much, that operational and financial sustainability perspective
- 2:19is so important.
- 2:21So before we go deeper on those areas,
- 2:23I wanna start with kind of the nuts
- 2:25and the bolts here.
- 2:26But where is behavioral health expansion breaking down
- 2:29in practice today, and what do you think
- 2:31leaders are routinely missing in this area?
- 2:34I
- 2:35think behavioral health expansion is breaking down because
- 2:38too many organizations are trying to scale services
- 2:42without scaling the infrastructure.
- 2:45So they add providers, they hire more people,
- 2:47they launch different programs,
- 2:50or grow to new sites and partnerships,
- 2:53but the underlying
- 2:55operating model
- 2:57remains or stays still fragmented.
- 3:00Reimbursement
- 3:01is fragmented.
- 3:02Intake is fragmented.
- 3:04Referral pathways are fragmented.
- 3:07And behavioral health is still too often treated
- 3:10as
- 3:11separate from the rest of the enterprise.
- 3:14I know that's something that Becker's has also
- 3:17highlighted,
- 3:18you know, some of the similar issues like
- 3:20fragment and payment,
- 3:21siloed care models,
- 3:23work for force shortages,
- 3:25documentation
- 3:26burden,
- 3:27outdated access pathways.
- 3:29And I would say one thing
- 3:31my private equity exposure
- 3:33reinforced
- 3:34for me is that
- 3:36growth amplifies
- 3:38whatever the situation is. So if something is
- 3:41already broken,
- 3:43growth just amplifies that. If governance is weak,
- 3:47if data is inconsistent,
- 3:49if workflows
- 3:50vary site to site,
- 3:51or if the care model is dependent
- 3:54on individual effort,
- 3:56those problems
- 3:58become such
- 3:59a more such a bigger or and more
- 4:02visible,
- 4:03as organization
- 4:04scale. So what leaders
- 4:07often miss is that behavioral health is not
- 4:10just an access problem. It's an integration
- 4:14and operating
- 4:15model problem.
- 4:16It's
- 4:18such a powerful
- 4:19insight, Adisa, that your PE exposure has reinforced
- 4:22that growth can actually amplify
- 4:25whatever the situation may be, including challenges. So,
- 4:29really important for, I think, listeners to hear
- 4:32and
- 4:33and kind of taking that a bit further.
- 4:35You know, if you were to put yourself
- 4:37in someone's shoes, a leader's shoes, an organization's
- 4:40shoes that was looking to stand up a
- 4:42scalable behavioral health service line, what would those
- 4:45nonnegotiables
- 4:46be? Whether we're talking governance, access, operations,
- 4:51and what do you think leaders should keep
- 4:52in mind there?
- 4:54So if I were building a scalable,
- 4:57service line today, behavioral health one especially,
- 5:00I would focus on three nonnegotiables.
- 5:03One, governance.
- 5:05Second, access.
- 5:06And then third,
- 5:08operational standardization.
- 5:10So with governance,
- 5:12it has to be real. So behavioral health
- 5:14needs executive ownership and
- 5:17cross functional
- 5:18accountability.
- 5:19It cannot
- 5:21sit off to the side. So clinical leadership,
- 5:24finance,
- 5:25operations,
- 5:26and quality
- 5:28all need to be looking at the same
- 5:30priorities
- 5:31and the same data.
- 5:33One thing private equity environments tend to make
- 5:36very clear is that you cannot scale what
- 5:39you cannot govern, and you cannot govern what
- 5:42you cannot measure consistently. So that would be
- 5:45the first one.
- 5:46Second,
- 5:47access has to be intentional.
- 5:50Access does not just mean hiring more therapists.
- 5:53It means clear triage
- 5:56pathways,
- 5:57reduced time to first appointment,
- 6:00smart use of telehealth,
- 6:03strong referral management,
- 6:05and community partnerships
- 6:07that
- 6:08keep it from becoming
- 6:10the default behavioral health
- 6:13access point.
- 6:14I know Becker's has also, you know, highlighted
- 6:17the importance
- 6:18of integration prevention,
- 6:20community collaboration.
- 6:21I do kinda keep up with your guys'
- 6:24articles that you guys publish.
- 6:26And then third one, you know, operations have
- 6:29to be standardized
- 6:31enough to scale,
- 6:32which means
- 6:34documentation,
- 6:35scheduling,
- 6:36referral closure,
- 6:37revenue
- 6:38cycle, quality reporting, you know, BI dashboards,
- 6:41and health IT all need to support the
- 6:44care model
- 6:45instead of slowing it down. So from a
- 6:48boat, an operator lens, and, an investor lens
- 6:52or private equity lens,
- 6:54sustainable growth comes from reputable
- 6:57systems,
- 6:58not one off
- 7:00workarounds.
- 7:01And then in terms of success metrics, I
- 7:04would watch access, engagement,
- 7:06safety,
- 7:07clinical outcomes,
- 7:09and financial performance together.
- 7:12Because
- 7:13if we're looking at just 2026,
- 7:16growth alone is not the signal of success.
- 7:19It's durable performance.
- 7:22I've I've seen, you know, over the years,
- 7:25behavioral health from both the care delivery side
- 7:27and the enterprise value creation side. And
- 7:30the biggest lesson that I have learned and
- 7:33some of my clients have learned is that
- 7:35sustainable scale really depends
- 7:38on that operational discipline.
- 7:42Such a helpful overview, Adisa. And by the
- 7:45way, I have to say, I love that
- 7:46you're a Becker's healthcare reader. So thank you
- 7:49for, you know, confirming that some of the
- 7:52trends that you're picking up on in our
- 7:53coverage align with what you're seeing in the
- 7:55field,
- 7:57and great great notes about governance, access, and
- 8:00operations here and what leaders need to be
- 8:01looking at and measuring.
- 8:04And I know that also CMS
- 8:06has revealed,
- 8:08an innovation and behavioral health model. So I'd
- 8:11love to know from where you stand, how
- 8:12do you think
- 8:14systems and community practices should prepare for that
- 8:17new model,
- 8:18And what should markets outside of those pilots
- 8:20do now to really stay aligned?
- 8:23The biggest takeaway from the CMS innovation and
- 8:27behavioral health,
- 8:29model is that the future is integrated,
- 8:32measurable,
- 8:33and much more coordinated than
- 8:36what many organizations
- 8:38did in the past,
- 8:40and that many of their organizations are actually
- 8:42doing today. So CMS is putting specialty behavioral
- 8:46health providers at the center of value based
- 8:49whole person care for adults
- 8:51with moderate to severe mental health or substance
- 8:55use conditions
- 8:56with support for health IT,
- 8:59interprofessional
- 8:59care teams, screening,
- 9:01social needs coordination,
- 9:03and aligned payment approaches
- 9:06across Medicaid and Medicare.
- 9:08And that model runs from 2025
- 9:11through 2032
- 9:14with infrastructure building happening ahead of the full
- 9:18implementation.
- 9:19So
- 9:20for systems and community practices,
- 9:23the preparation
- 9:24work should already
- 9:26be underway.
- 9:27That means
- 9:29strengthening coordination with primary care and community partners,
- 9:34improving
- 9:35closed loop referrals,
- 9:37getting more disciplined about screening and follow-up,
- 9:41and
- 9:42making sure that the documentation
- 9:45and reporting can support quality measurement
- 9:48and, future value based arrangements.
- 9:52And I would also mention here, like, BI
- 9:54dashboards, making sure that there's that you have
- 9:57a good visibility to what is actually happening
- 10:00in your business.
- 10:01And for markets outside the pilot,
- 10:04I would not wait.
- 10:06Even if they're not formally
- 10:08participating,
- 10:10the model
- 10:11is still a signal about where the policy
- 10:14and payment
- 10:15are heading. So even outside those pilot states,
- 10:19leaders should really act like this future is
- 10:22already here.
- 10:24Yeah.
- 10:26Really, really helpful intel, Adisa.
- 10:28And before I let you go, I I
- 10:30wanted to also touch on something that you
- 10:32mentioned earlier in one of your responses. You
- 10:34had touched on telehealth,
- 10:36and we see that recent data shows
- 10:39almost thirty percent of adult outpatient mental health
- 10:42care is delivered via telehealth.
- 10:45And Medicare also added twenty twenty five coding
- 10:48updates to really strengthen crisis follow-up and safety
- 10:51planning.
- 10:52So given those shifts,
- 10:54what do you think is the future of
- 10:56behavioral health? What does it look like from
- 10:58your perspective as a clinician and also with
- 11:00your focus at Clinic Mind?
- 11:03And I know I know you've shared that
- 11:04about 28
- 11:06of adult,
- 11:07outpatient mental health care is delivered via telehealth.
- 11:09Most of the practices I work with, it's
- 11:12probably more than 80%.
- 11:14So I think there's some of the practices
- 11:17that are fully,
- 11:18in person that are balancing that out. But
- 11:21from my perspective, the future of behavioral health
- 11:24is hybrid.
- 11:25It's not a debate between in person and
- 11:27virtual anymore.
- 11:29It's about using the right modality at the
- 11:31right time for the right patient.
- 11:34You know, again, I'm gonna go back to
- 11:36Becker's. No. You guys have recently reported,
- 11:39you know, some of the numbers, like, on,
- 11:42how much,
- 11:43how much care is actually delivered by telehealth.
- 11:47And I know there was also a
- 11:49number related to a hybrid model, which is
- 11:52about twenty one percent
- 11:54of the patient that are,
- 11:56that are seen via that hybrid model. And
- 11:59that really tells us that virtual care is
- 12:02no longer
- 12:03temporary. It's a part of permanent access,
- 12:07strategy.
- 12:08I would say,
- 12:10clinically, that is important because telehealth can improve
- 12:13continuity,
- 12:14reduce barriers,
- 12:16and make follow ups more realistic.
- 12:19If we're thinking about some of the suburbs
- 12:21or some of the areas where
- 12:23they do not have the ability to get
- 12:26to the provider every single week if they're
- 12:29seeing a therapist, for example,
- 12:31Telehealth provides a really nice option for them
- 12:34to continue care
- 12:36even when they're not able to get in
- 12:38a car and drive to the therapist.
- 12:40Mhmm. And policy is really moving in, you
- 12:43know, to support that. So CMS continues to
- 12:46allow behavioral
- 12:47health, telehealth in the home without geographic restrictions.
- 12:52And then also Medicare's 2025 updates added payment
- 12:56support for things like safety planning interventions and
- 12:59post discharge,
- 13:01follow-up,
- 13:02which is a meaningful
- 13:04step because good behavioral health is not just
- 13:07the visit itself.
- 13:09It's what happens before
- 13:11and after the visit as well. And if
- 13:14I tie that to what we're doing in
- 13:15ClinicMiner and ClinicMiner's side, I think the real
- 13:19differentiator
- 13:20will be whether organizations
- 13:22have that infrastructure
- 13:24to make that model work.
- 13:26Hybrid care can only scale when
- 13:29scheduling, documentation,
- 13:31coding, billing,
- 13:33patient engagement
- 13:34are working together.
- 13:36Otherwise,
- 13:37telehealth
- 13:38adds convenience
- 13:39on the front end,
- 13:41but it adds a lot more complexities
- 13:43on the back end.
- 13:45So
- 13:46if I summarize it, the future of behavioral
- 13:49health to me is hybrid care supported by
- 13:53smart operation
- 13:55and good infrastructure.
- 13:57Yeah.
- 13:59Adisa, it's been great getting your perspective
- 14:02on
- 14:03not just how you see behavioral health access
- 14:06changing in the years ahead, but what's really
- 14:08needed as the foundation
- 14:10to expand access and to your point and
- 14:13everything that you've said about operations and infrastructure
- 14:15being
- 14:16the keys to that. It's so helpful and
- 14:19insightful, and I just wanna make sure is
- 14:21there anything else that you wanted to touch
- 14:23on that maybe we glossed over too quickly
- 14:25in our conversation today or any final thoughts
- 14:28you wanted to leave listeners with?
- 14:31No. I mean, I think I think the
- 14:32biggest thing I would leave with is
- 14:36that scaling behavioral health is not the same
- 14:38as expanding
- 14:39behavioral health.
- 14:41Expansion is adding access points.
- 14:44Scaling
- 14:45means it's more building a model that keeps
- 14:48working as demand grows, so clinically, operationally,
- 14:53and financially.
- 14:54I would also say that this is an
- 14:56exciting moment for behavioral health. There's more urgency,
- 15:00more policy attention,
- 15:01more willingness
- 15:03to rethink outdated care models
- 15:05than we've seen in a very long time.
- 15:08So
- 15:08the question now is who can translate that
- 15:11momentum in the execution, and that's what we're
- 15:14working through now. And in my opinion,
- 15:17you know, I'm probably biased because I'm a
- 15:19clinician myself, but this is a very exciting
- 15:22time for us, and, I'm really excited about
- 15:24what the future holds for behavioral health.
- 15:27Yeah. Well, I so appreciate
- 15:30your passion behind this work, Adisa, and everything
- 15:33that you've shared with us today from the
- 15:35clinician standpoint and from where you sit at
- 15:37Clinic Mind,
- 15:38so helpful to hear what you see on
- 15:40the horizon for behavioral health. So thank you
- 15:43again for spending time with Becker's today.
- 15:45Thank you, Erica. Thank you for having me,
- 15:47and thank you, Becker's, for providing an opportunity
- 15:50for this conversation.
- 15:51Of course. And we'd also like to thank
- 15:54the podcast sponsor for today, Clinic Mind.
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