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Dale's Revisited · Sips, Suds, & Smokes

• 0:00
  > Announcer>On the next episode of Sips, Suds and Smokes.
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  > Dave>The Dale's beers from Oscar Blues Brewery. We'll be trying today are Dale's American Pale Ale, the OG Dale's Light Lager, Dale's Easy ipa, Dale's American ipa, Dale's Double ipa, and just for kicks, Dale's N, a non alcoholic pilsner. There's a Dale's for everyone.
• 0:33
  > Julianna>There is. There is.
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  > Dave>For the whole family.
• 0:36
  > Julianna>For the whole family.
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  > Dave>Kids can drink the N, a pilsner, dad can have the double, mom can have the easy, Uncle Joe can have the original, and Aunt Sally can have the American ipa. There you go. Everybody gets one.
• 0:51
  > Julianna>Great. Everybody's happy.
• 0:53
  > Announcer>We'll be right back after this break. Brought to you almost live from the dude in the basement studios. Why? Cuz that's where the good stuff is.
• 1:24
  > Announcer>Is it? Sips, suds and smokes with your smoking host, the good old boys. Suds. Suds. Suds. Uh, it's time for more suds.
• 1:54
  > Dave>Uh,
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  > Julianna>Hi. Come on in, hang out. How are you? Welcome to another suds segment where. Well, I'm going to tell you a story here. Good beer meets bad radio.
• 2:13
  > Julianna>Okay. Then they become friends. Uh, good beer takes, tries to be nice. Then beer, good beer, that is, loans bad radio $200. And then we never hear from bad radio again.
• 2:35
  > Dave>Isn't that always the way?
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  > Julianna>Sucks, man, sucks. But good beer will always prevail. I'm one of your hosts, good a gal, Juliana, lover of good beer. And joining me today is good old
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  > Dave>boy Dave, creator of bad Radio. Hey, can I borrow 200 bucks, by the way?
• 2:57
  > Julianna>No.
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  > Dave>Oh, figures.
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  > Julianna>Go fish. As much as we love trying new beers, and we do, and celebrating small and upcoming craft breweries, sometimes we like to go back and revisit some products that have been around for a long time but maybe have fallen off our radar.
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  > Julianna>Yeah, uh, as if that could happen. Well, today we are doing just that. I'm gonna tell you which brewery we're
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  > Dave>revisiting today because I can't read. Well, so.
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  > Julianna>Because sometimes it's hard for good old boy Dave to have words come out of his mouth. So Oscar Blues Brewery, founded by Dale Katiches, and forgive me if I'm spelling, uh, pronouncing that wrong, from lyons, Colorado, in 1997. He began brewing in the basement of his restaurant in 1999.
• 3:51
  > Julianna>In November of 2002, they made history by being the first US brewery to package craft beer and cans, starting with their flagship beer, Dale's Pale Ale. This bold move was unprecedented at the time and helped cement Dale's Pale Ale place in craft beer lore. Now, Oscar Blues Brewing Co.
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  > Julianna>Joined Canarchy Jan. 22, 2018, when Canarchy acquired the company as part of its expansion into the US Beverage market. Merger. At the time, Canar was a collective independent craft brewers, and the Oscar Blues acquisition marked its first transaction in the US and in Colorado. Now, Oscar Blues was already one of the fastest growing breweries in the country, with operating facilities in Colorado, North Carolina and Texas.
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  > Julianna>Now, later on in January 12, 2022, Monster Beverage Corp, you know, the makers of Monster Energy, announced it had purchased the entire Canar Craft Brewery Collective, which included Oscar Blues, Cigar City, Perrin, Deep Ellum and Squatters, and wasatch Brewing. The 330 million all cash deal was expected to close in the first quarter of 2022, with Canar and its members, including Oscar Blues, continuing to operate independently under Monsters ownership.
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  > Dave>So there it is.
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  > Julianna>There it is.
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  > Dave>Monsters.
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  > Julianna>And you know what? It was read sort of. Okay.
• 5:32
  > Dave>Sort of. Yeah. I mean, it was read as poorly as it was typed out. It was read pretty amazingly, so great job.
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  > Julianna>Whatever. All right. You think you could handle telling us? We'll try anyways, dear. All right, what beers are we going to be talking about today?
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  > Dave>The Dale's beers from Oscar Blues Brewery we'll be trying today are Dale's American Pale Ale, the OG Dale's Light Lager, Dale's Easy ipa, Dale's American ipa, Dale's Double ipa, and just for kicks, Dale's N, a non alcoholic Pilsner. There's, uh, a Dale's for everyone.
• 6:20
  > Julianna>There is. There is.
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  > Dave>For the whole family.
• 6:23
  > Julianna>For the whole family.
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  > Dave>Kids can drink the N, A Pilsner, dad can have the double, mom can have the Easy, you know.
• 6:33
  > Julianna>Yeah. Okay.
• 6:34
  > Dave>Uncle Joe can have the original, and Aunt Sally can have the American ipa. There you go. Everybody gets one.
• 6:43
  > Julianna>Great. Everybody's happy.
• 6:44
  > Dave>Yeah.
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  > Julianna>Okay. We're going to be tasting these on the fly.
• 6:49
  > Dave>Yeah.
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  > Julianna>And then we're going to be rating them from one to five, one being awesome.
• 6:56
  > Dave>No, wait, no. Uh, one is not great.
• 7:02
  > Julianna>And five is great.
• 7:06
  > Dave>Extra great.
• 7:07
  > Julianna>Well, you know, you had a 50. 50 shot there.
• 7:09
  > Dave>Ah. Uh, you know. Well, you know, if you say someone's number one, that means they're the best.
• 7:15
  > Julianna>Yeah. But when they're not, the middle finger,
• 7:18
  > Dave>if you come in fifth place.
• 7:22
  > Julianna>Right.
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  > Dave>So ipso facto. But that's not how we're doing it.
• 7:29
  > Dave>We're gonna go, five is awesome, one is poo.
• 7:33
  > Julianna>Okay. One star. Five star. See? Anyways, all right, let's get to the first one. And that is going to be the American Pale Ale.
• 7:44
  > Dave>Okay.
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  > Julianna>And how appropriate to have Dale's Pale Ale in this or American Pale in the summer. Isn't it awesome? Okay, so this is 6.5% ABV. You got citrus, pine, floral hops, caramel malt. And it is the flagship that helped launch the Can Craft movement. How amazing is that?
• 8:12
  > Dave>Very piney. A little bit of citrus is very old school American craft.
• 8:23
  > Julianna>So was this bordering on West Coast IPAs at the time?
• 8:27
  > Dave>I think it's.
• 8:28
  > Julianna>Or was it the precursor to West Coast IPAs?
• 8:32
  > Dave>Well, 90, 97, 99. Yeah, I mean, I think it's. It's not. It's definitely a pale ale and not an ipa.
• 8:43
  > Julianna>Okay.
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  > Dave>Uh, but it is very piney with the citrus. So it's, it's got those components and with that caramel backbone to help offset the hop bitterness.
• 8:54
  > Julianna>Mhm.
• 8:55
  > Dave>I think it, it gives it the. I think there's.
• 8:59
  > Dave>Because there's this and there's Sierra Nevada Pale Ale.
• 9:02
  > Julianna>Yeah.
• 9:02
  > Dave>Personally I prefer Sierra Nevada Pale Ale. I think it's a little more balanced than this, but this is actually pretty solid beer still after all these years.
• 9:11
  > Julianna>Yeah. And I think when they both hit, at least for me, I was seeing more of Sierra Nevada than I was seeing Dale's.
• 9:23
  > Dave>Well, you gotta remember too, Sierra Nevada Pale Ales. How many years older?
• 9:28
  > Julianna>Yeah, that's fair. That's fair. And it had made the rounds. Yeah. And. And had. And moved around the country a bit more than Dale's. Um, but this is bringing nostalgia.
• 9:40
  > Dave>Yeah.
• 9:41
  > Julianna>You know, like really good nostalgia. Um, yeah.
• 9:47
  > Julianna>And that. And that caramelly color. Yes.
• 9:51
  > Dave>Yeah. It's one of those beers that, you know, because it's, it's been around and it's not the new thing. A lot of times you just overlook it.
• 10:02
  > Dave>And it's in the grocery store, you know, and it's there, but there's like a million things there.
• 10:07
  > Dave>And if you're like, oh, uh, man, I want something new. Want something fresh or something local.
• 10:14
  > Dave>Sometimes is. We should always be looking for local beers.
• 10:18
  > Julianna>Sure.
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  > Dave>But when you need. Just need something, a nice pale ale to get you by, I think Dale's is about as good as you're gonna get.
• 10:28
  > Julianna>Yeah. I mean, come on, this is good. This is solid. What are we gonna rate it?
• 10:32
  > Dave>I'd say we give it a solid four.
• 10:34
  > Julianna>Okay. Solid four it is.
• 10:36
  > Dave>Uh, mark it down.
• 10:41
  > Julianna>And I think this is a good start, don't you?
• 10:44
  > Dave>I think it's Great.
• 10:45
  > Julianna>Yep.
• 10:46
  > Dave>I like this.
• 10:47
  > Julianna>And even Mike likes it. We'll be back with more in just a minute. Welcome back, everyone. So today we are revisiting Dale's. Remember Dale's Pale Ale.
• 11:05
  > Dave>I remember it. And that iconic red white, literally a minute ago.
• 11:11
  > Julianna>Yes. We are not only revisiting Dale's Pale Ale, which we just did, but we are going through their lineup and talking about some other of Dale's beers. You know, Dale's beers.
• 11:29
  > Dave>Yeah, Dale's beers.
• 11:29
  > Julianna>Dale's beers. So the next one we are going to talk about is the light lager.
• 11:37
  > Dave>Lager, yes.
• 11:40
  > Julianna>The light lager is, um, clean grain, light malt, subtle hop crispness, and it's crushable. And the ABV on this one is 4.2%.
• 11:53
  > Dave>4.2. Excellent. That is a very session. And crushable.
• 11:58
  > Julianna>It is Nice. Foamy head, lovely blonde color.
• 12:06
  > Dave>You know, it's nice. It's definitely, uh, right in the wheelhouse of where you want a light lager.
• 12:16
  > Dave>Not. Not anything super special flavor wise. But that's not what you're looking for. 4.2%. You could drink a lot of these on a hot day.
• 12:27
  > Julianna>Yeah.
• 12:28
  > Dave>Sit back and just totally.
• 12:30
  > Julianna>I mean, this is a lawnmower beer. Yeah, for sure.
• 12:35
  > Dave>Yeah. No, I think this is a, uh, lawnmower beer, a pool beer. Uh, just sitting around watching the game, eating pizza or wings beer.
• 12:44
  > Julianna>Yeah, sure, sure.
• 12:45
  > Dave>If you, like, you know, if you're a macro logger light lager guy, like Miller Light or Coors Light or whatever. I think this gives you a slight upgrade to your game, but it doesn't. Um, it. It's so, like, you can't bounce from Miller Light to Dale's Pale Ale. Like, if. If you like one, you're probably not totally liking the other.
• 13:11
  > Julianna>Sure.
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  > Dave>But this is a great bridge beer back into craft.
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  > Dave>And I don't know that I consider Dale's craft anymore, but I also don't know that I care. Like, do we. Because, uh, you know, back in the day, we had a hard line about we supported craft beer first, and I think we still do. But the line's gotten so muddy about what's craft and what's not.
• 13:35
  > Julianna>Okay. It is blurred, but at the same time, you have to honor and respect the forefathers, so to speak. And what Dale did, you know, he made his money. Right, Right.
• 13:47
  > Dave>But he. He. He created some great beers.
• 13:50
  > Julianna>Yeah.
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  > Dave>You know, so there's no. There's no hate. And that's what I'm saying is like, do I care so much that this is probably, well, definitely not technically craft beer anymore. This is kind of a macro beer in a way.
• 14:07
  > Julianna>I get. Yeah, I guess. I mean, I don't know what they're.
• 14:10
  > Dave>I mean, they're owned by Monster. Like, you can't be a craft beer owned by Monster.
• 14:14
  > Julianna>Sure, fair, I guess.
• 14:16
  > Dave>But like, Cigar City has high alai. That's part of the Canarchy thing.
• 14:20
  > Julianna>Mhm.
• 14:21
  > Dave>Um, I forget all the others, but, you know, they all bring some really solid beers.
• 14:26
  > Julianna>Well, deep Ellum. I. I mean, I kind of consider them.
• 14:30
  > Dave>That's Texas, right? Yeah, that is Dallas, Texas.
• 14:32
  > Dave>We've had some beers from them. They're really solid too.
• 14:35
  > Julianna>Yeah. And they're, um. Back in the heyday of gabf, they're space used to be very colorful.
• 14:44
  > Dave>Yeah.
• 14:44
  > Julianna>You know. Yeah, I remember that a lot. And we actually went to visit Dale's too.
• 14:51
  > Dave>Yeah. Oscar blues. Yeah. And. And so honestly, it's like, are you gonna hate on somebody for starting a business, building it up? And then they get, you know, get offered a good deal and really, as long as the beer is still good, then.
• 15:10
  > Julianna>Right.
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  > Dave>What's. What's the problem? You know? So I like this light lager. It's readily available. And if you don't want. If you want to drink something that's light and low calorie and low ABV and still tastes good, I think this is a solid offering.
• 15:28
  > Julianna>This is perfect. Yeah. What shall we rate this?
• 15:33
  > Dave>Give it a three.
• 15:34
  > Julianna>Okay, good.
• 15:37
  > Announcer>Solid.
• 15:37
  > Julianna>Uh, three.
• 15:38
  > Dave>I don't know. There's a light lager that I'm gonna give a lot more than a three.
• 15:43
  > Announcer>It's.
• 15:43
  > Dave>That's tough, but.
• 15:44
  > Julianna>Well, that's fair because you're expecting, uh.
• 15:47
  > Julianna>Well, I mean, there are.
• 15:49
  > Dave>That you're expecting, but like, it's only got a limited palette to work with.
• 15:53
  > Julianna>That's fair. Sure, that's fair. All right, moving on. Let's press the easy button and go to the easy beer.
• 16:04
  > Dave>Oh, wow.
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  > Julianna>So this is a sessionable IPA as well. This is 4.8% ABV. Uh, citrus zest, tropical fruit, light pine, low bitterness. That's very drinkable.
• 16:18
  > Dave>The aroma on this is magical. Definitely in the citrus and tropical fruit. Maybe a little pine too in there somewhere, but I'm definitely getting tropical fruit on the nose and it's. It's very refreshing.
• 16:36
  > Julianna>Okay, so kind of expecting a departure from the original Dales. Sure.
• 16:42
  > Dave>Well, you're going into ipa. Uh-huh. So it's going to be more hop forward. Um, what's the ABV on this one?
• 16:50
  > Julianna>Again, 4.8.
• 16:51
  > Dave>4.8. So it's. What's the.
• 16:55
  > Julianna>Actually, this one says 4.9.
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  > Dave>Sorry, 4.9. And this one is. What is that?
• 17:02
  > Julianna>Uh, the original is 6.5.
• 17:06
  > Dave>So it's an IPA. It's a lower. So it's a low ABV IPA. Right. Session IPA. So less alcohol, more hoping. Good flavor. I think the aroma comes across more than the flavor, but it's still really nice.
• 17:33
  > Julianna>You get a little bitterness, but not crazy.
• 17:36
  > Dave>Not much. Okay.
• 17:37
  > Julianna>Um, less bitterness than the Dale, than the.
• 17:40
  > Dave>Than the Paleo.
• 17:41
  > Julianna>Pale. Okay.
• 17:42
  > Dave>Yeah. But then also, there's. There's no real caramel malt in this either, of any great substance, so there's not as much body to have to offset any bitterness either. So you're just getting a nice, hoppy little drink that's like, ah, refreshing and tasty and smells great, and it makes you happy.
• 18:06
  > Julianna>Makes everyone happy. Yeah. So this is for when the good times are working overtime. Dale wanted an IPA that could keep it easy. The American Easy IPA is the pinnacle of IPA achievement with all American hoppiness alongside uncanny drinkability.
• 18:26
  > Julianna>And he said, to be blunt, it slaps a bit. Yeah, I guess I could see that.
• 18:32
  > Dave>Yeah.
• 18:34
  > Julianna>What I also love about these Oscar Blues beers is that or this series, if you will, of the Dales, and is it's like the simplest can art, but it's so.
• 18:46
  > Dave>But it's iconic, too, you know? Yeah, it's so identifiable.
• 18:50
  > Julianna>Yeah, it is, it is. I feel very American drinking these beers. Right, right. I know that sounds kind of weird. Anyways, okay, so what would you like to rate? The Easy ipa?
• 19:04
  > Dave>I don't know. What do you want to go?
• 19:06
  > Julianna>Yeah, I think a good solid four.
• 19:08
  > Dave>All right.
• 19:12
  > Julianna>Is it safe to say that, you know, this isn't East Coast? It's not juicy. Juicy, but it's just juicy enough to be a good departure from the west coast style of the pale ale.
• 19:27
  > Dave>Yeah, I mean, I think it's. It's just a pretty standard formula for, um, a session ipa. You know, there's not a lot of body to keep the ABV and the calories down, so.
• 19:41
  > Julianna>Fair. Okay, to be continued. Welcome back, everyone. On today's episode, we are going back in time, and we are talking about Oscar Blues and talking about Dale's Pale Ale and his Easy IPA and his Light Lager.
• 20:04
  > Dave>All the Dales.
• 20:06
  > Julianna>All the Dales. And the next Dale up, uh, for bids is the American IPA. This one is 6.9% ABV, and, uh,
• 20:20
  > Dave>that's the biggest one. So Far.
• 20:21
  > Julianna>Yep.
• 20:22
  > Dave>Slightly bigger than the original Pale Ale.
• 20:24
  > Julianna>Sure, sure.
• 20:25
  > Dave>Much lighter in color, though.
• 20:27
  > Julianna>And again, this is grapefruit, pine resin, bright citrus, firm bitterness. And this is a classic west coast leaning IPA with bold hop character and crisp, dry finish.
• 20:47
  > Dave>I believe all those things, not just because that's the way you read them, but.
• 20:52
  > Julianna>Mhm. It says when American craft brewers got their hoppy hands on the India Pale Ale style, there was no looking back. So now there are more IPA trends than influencer skin care.
• 21:07
  > Dave>For reals.
• 21:08
  > Julianna>God bless. He is so right. Dale's approach is to keep it classic. And this is a timeless American ipa.
• 21:17
  > Dave>Light straw color.
• 21:19
  > Julianna>Yep. Definitely got some pretension.
• 21:24
  > Dave>Yeah. Some piney citrus notes on the nose. Pretty well balanced beer flavored beer. It's funny, like, this is not. You can tell this is not a new IPA. You know what I mean? Like, IPAs are changing all the times and they're trying all these new hops, like the New Zealand hops and all the experimental hops and things like that.
• 21:52
  > Julianna>Yeah.
• 21:53
  > Dave>This is just basically, this beer's probably tasted the same for however many years. I don't know how long they've been brewing this exact one, but it's. It's definitely just sort of. They got it. They got them.
• 22:08
  > Julianna>It's dialed in and it's classic.
• 22:10
  > Dave>Right. They dialed it in and they're sticking with it. And like, that's why.
• 22:14
  > Julianna>Why change it?
• 22:15
  > Dave>Right?
• 22:16
  > Julianna>Yeah, there's no need. It's very. And, uh, you know, dare I say we live in a world right now of drinking a lot of pilsners. Right. I mean, you and I have been on that light flavor train, but having something like this, I think is really nice, like, kind of getting back to your roots in a way.
• 22:41
  > Julianna>Because I became a craft beer lover when The West Coast IPAs, or the west coast style.
• 22:49
  > Dave>Yeah.
• 22:49
  > Julianna>Was prevalent. I mean, as well as, you know, Sierra Nevada Pale Ale, etc, um, and Anchor Steam and, you know, like, stuff like that.
• 22:58
  > Dave>Yeah.
• 22:59
  > Julianna>But this just takes me back to the beginning.
• 23:01
  > Dave>Yeah, absolutely. And I. I wouldn't really say this is classic west coast ipa because it's not the caramel and the big hopper bomb, it's not the head, but it's. It's definitely a more out west ipa. It's not, it's not the big juicy juice from Northeast, you know, so it's Middle America. It's a good working man's ipa. I like it.
• 23:28
  > Julianna>Yeah. I could see this. This is blue collar.
• 23:31
  > Dave>Yeah. And I was thinking about. I know we need to rate this. But I also want to singing about some of the Non Dale's beers because you know, uh, after. At a time, Oscar Blues was one of the beers. Like when we first started getting it Nashville and even before when we had to drive around and look for stuff like 1050. I mean that was the thing.
• 23:55
  > Julianna>And like that was all the variants of that.
• 23:57
  > Dave>Yeah. That like people collected verticals and like. And um. And then like Mama's Little Yellow Pills is actually ah, a uh, BJCP standard for that style. Like American Pilsner and how cool is that?
• 24:16
  > Dave>Yeah. You know, so it's, it's like this is how you make this style of beer, you know. So Oscar Blues has done some really amazing things over the years and it's good to see that they're still doing this kind of stuff.
• 24:28
  > Announcer>Yeah.
• 24:29
  > Julianna>And for them it's beer flavored beer. They're not going like crazy into trendy styles that are going to come and go. You know what I mean?
• 24:39
  > Dave>Yeah. I mean I think they probably do some little weird things here and there, but they don't.
• 24:44
  > Julianna>I mean I don't think they've ever done a sour, have they?
• 24:46
  > Dave>They might do some small batch stuff or some things, but I don't think there's any. None of their major, none of their major offerings I don't think are like that.
• 24:57
  > Julianna>Okay.
• 24:57
  > Dave>Which I can't blame them because that's definitely something that's an acquired taste, you know, kind of a niche deal.
• 25:05
  > Julianna>Sure. Okay, well, what shall we rate the American ipa?
• 25:11
  > Dave>I'd say it's a solid three.
• 25:13
  > Julianna>Yeah. It's funny, I hear, when I say that now, I'm like hearing in the back of my mind, we're an American band, you know.
• 25:23
  > Dave>Yeah, yeah.
• 25:24
  > Julianna>I don't know.
• 25:25
  > Dave>We're an American beer.
• 25:26
  > Julianna>Right. Kind of. Okay, moving on. Let's go double.
• 25:32
  > Dave>I think some of these we actually got in a mix pack because that's a lot of times when we're doing stuff like this, we'll buy like a mix 12 pack and it'll have you know, like one or two of the standard beers that you can get anywhere. And then I'll have one or two that are like sort of special offerings. So I don't know that all of these six beers that we're trying today you can just get like in a single six pack or on its own.
• 26:06
  > Dave>Sometimes you have to buy these beers as part of those mix packs. But I actually like the mix packs because, you know, we were kind of joking about like aunt, Aunt Sally could have one, and Uncle Joe and everybody could have their own kind of beer. I think that's the truth, though.
• 26:21
  > Julianna>This works.
• 26:22
  > Dave>Yeah. Because not everybody wants that big, bold caramel body and, uh, flavor of the Dale Original, Dale's Pale. Somebody wants an easy ipa.
• 26:33
  > Julianna>Not everyone's a hot head.
• 26:34
  > Dave>Somebody wants a light lager.
• 26:35
  > Julianna>Sure.
• 26:36
  > Dave>You know, so for sure, this. That's a great way to let people sample what a brewery can do.
• 26:42
  > Julianna>Yeah.
• 26:42
  > Announcer>You know.
• 26:43
  > Julianna>Okay, so let's get into the American double IPA.
• 26:46
  > Julianna>This one is 9%.
• 26:48
  > Dave>Oh, my.
• 26:49
  > Julianna>Yes. Uh, intense citrus, pine, tropical hops, warming malt sweetness. Interesting that they say that, uh, when tasting new beers, Dale's often has very detailed feedback for the brewers. At Oscar Blues Brewery. More, he says. Can't imagine we were listening, I guess, to the word more. To create this double ipa, we double down on the American hops and brewed it to an uncompromising 9%.
• 27:27
  > Dave>9% is big.
• 27:29
  > Julianna>Yes.
• 27:30
  > Dave>Um.
• 27:31
  > Julianna>Oh, my gosh, yes. And for us, in, like, the Pilsner revolution, we can't even fathom that number anymore. Right.
• 27:38
  > Dave>I mean, you're pushing into, you know, and it's funny how they'll, you know, like, ipa, Imperial ipa, double ipa, triple ipa. They'll kind of.
• 27:48
  > Dave>There's sort of rough guidelines around that and everything, but 9% could almost be pushing into barley wine. You know, I think that's more 10 or so, but, yeah, sure. You're getting close.
• 28:02
  > Julianna>Sure. Well, and that. And the thing is, is when you get into double and triple IPAs, at what point do you go to drink that beer and actually still taste beer like. Or is your palate.
• 28:14
  > Dave>You're just. You know what I mean, overwhelmed by hops.
• 28:17
  > Julianna>Yeah.
• 28:18
  > Dave>You know, and this one is pretty dagnum, um, hobby, but.
• 28:25
  > Julianna>But I think it smells good.
• 28:26
  > Dave>And it. This does. This one does take me back to those West Coast.
• 28:30
  > Julianna>Okay.
• 28:30
  > Dave>IPAs.
• 28:31
  > Julianna>Sure.
• 28:32
  > Dave>Like green Flash, um, and stuff like that. Like, where it was just, like, your mouth would kind of burn a little bit.
• 28:39
  > Julianna>Yeah.
• 28:40
  > Dave>When you drank it.
• 28:41
  > Julianna>But that's what everyone liked back then.
• 28:43
  > Dave>Yeah. No, like. Yeah, well, I don't want to taste anything else for, like, days after, you
• 28:49
  > Julianna>know, so just want all the hops.
• 28:51
  > Dave>I want all the hops in my mouth right now.
• 28:54
  > Julianna>Yes. Hops.
• 28:56
  > Dave>Like a tea, but it's still. This is still a tasty beer. I couldn't drink a lot of this, but I think this is a great beer to have with food. Uh, like pizza or wings or some tacos or something. This is a good beer. It'll definitely take away some heat from some spicy food.
• 29:13
  > Julianna>Oh, sure, sure. And I think it's safe to say it's got just the right amount of sweetness.
• 29:19
  > Dave>Yeah.
• 29:20
  > Julianna>You know, balances it out to balance out the.
• 29:23
  > Dave>But I'm glad we're splitting this can between us.
• 29:26
  > Announcer>Yeah.
• 29:26
  > Julianna>Because otherwise it would be too much.
• 29:29
  > Dave>Yeah.
• 29:29
  > Julianna>I mean, is that saying that we're getting older or it's just. Yeah.
• 29:33
  > Dave>Wiser.
• 29:33
  > Julianna>Anyways. Well, we'll be back with more in just a minute. Welcome back, everyone. So today we are talking about some beer from Oscar Blues. Um, we're kind of revisiting the Dale's Pale Ale and the Dale's Grouping, if you will. And right before the break, we were talking about the double ipa.
• 29:59
  > Dave>Double ipa.
• 30:01
  > Julianna>And how nostalgic it is.
• 30:03
  > Announcer>Yeah.
• 30:04
  > Julianna>Because it is West Coasty. Yeah. So why don't we rate this? What would you rate it? What would you like?
• 30:12
  > Dave>I, uh, kind of want to give it that.
• 30:14
  > Julianna>A five.
• 30:15
  > Dave>Yeah.
• 30:15
  > Julianna>All right. We're giving it a five.
• 30:17
  > Dave>I think. I think the bigger a beer is, the harder it is to make it, like, really truly drinkable.
• 30:29
  > Julianna>Sure.
• 30:29
  > Dave>Especially certain styles like this.
• 30:31
  > Julianna>Sure.
• 30:32
  > Dave>And I think this is a good balanced big beer.
• 30:36
  > Julianna>Well, and also bigger beers can hide a multitude of sins, right.
• 30:39
  > Dave>Yeah.
• 30:40
  > Julianna>But I don't think this one has any sins to hide.
• 30:42
  > Dave>Oh, there's some sins, baby.
• 30:44
  > Julianna>Whatever. No, I mean, it's. It. It's solid. It's solid. Okay, so let me ask you this. If this was a brand new brewery that was catering to IPAs and pale ales. M. Right. And you saw this on a shelf, would you grab it?
• 31:06
  > Dave>I mean, I'd like to think I would want to try it at least. Um, that's the tricky part about new ones is, like, unless you go somewhere or unless somebody tells you, you know, like, hey, I know what you like and you're gonna like this. You know, I think that's why it's important to have good people at the beer stores that you go to that you, you know, can.
• 31:31
  > Julianna>That can be real with you.
• 31:32
  > Dave>Yeah.
• 31:32
  > Julianna>And not just have you succumb to the hype.
• 31:36
  > Dave>But, like, if Oscar Blues just happened to open up down the street from our house and we went and tried it out, I think it would be a spot that we would go back to a lot.
• 31:48
  > Julianna>Yeah, that's fair. That's fair. I mean, because sometimes simplicity is key. And I'm not saying that these beers are, like, super simple, but in a way they are, because there's no fruits involved.
• 32:01
  > Julianna>You're not getting any malt in here. I mean lactose, right?
• 32:05
  > Dave>Yeah, it's.
• 32:07
  > Julianna>I mean.
• 32:08
  > Dave>Well, like we were talking about too though. Yeah.
• 32:10
  > Dave>These Dale's beers are all solid but then also they Oscar Blues does make sure you know some other like Old Chub and. And uh.
• 32:19
  > Julianna>Yeah, and that takes me back too. Right, right.
• 32:24
  > Dave>Uh, and those are beers that we loved at a period in time. And then it's just you get caught up in the next new thing. That's why it's important to go back sometimes and revisit. Yeah.
• 32:38
  > Julianna>Revisit the founding fathers, so to speak.
• 32:40
  > Dave>Like you can always go back and try a Sierra Nevada Pale.
• 32:44
  > Julianna>Right.
• 32:44
  > Dave>Or a two hearted.
• 32:46
  > Julianna>Sure.
• 32:46
  > Dave>You know, or just any one of a number of things.
• 32:50
  > Dave>And I think Dale's Pale Ale is one of them that you can always go back to and you're going to enjoy it. And now that they have all these little offshoots and different versions and variations.
• 33:02
  > Julianna>Yeah.
• 33:03
  > Dave>And that's why again I say those mix packs are the best way to revisit these things, you know, because maybe one of them doesn't hit you. Right.
• 33:14
  > Dave>But.
• 33:15
  > Julianna>But maybe it'll hit somebody else in your family or your friend group or wherever. Yeah. So I mean if you were going to a party, you wanted to bring a mixed pack and you had a uh, variety of people that were there, some were hop heads, some were not. I think this is, this would hit the buttons.
• 33:37
  > Dave>I think with the white logger you're gonna get some people. Yeah, I think, I think you get some people. But you're, you're probably gonna get more action with the hot heads than with the non hop.
• 33:47
  > Julianna>Sure, sure. Fair.
• 33:48
  > Dave>Because this is still a pretty hoppy flight that we're drinking today. All in all true.
• 33:55
  > Julianna>And now.
• 33:55
  > Dave>Except for this one.
• 33:56
  > Julianna>Well, except for this one coming up. And this last thing that we're going to talk about is the Dale's non alcoholic pilsner. So crisp malt, light hop snap, clean finish. And what they say is when Dale made up his mind to make a non alcoholic near beer, he told the Oscar Blues brewers brew the realest fake brewski possible. And they finally did it. Wonder how long it took them.
• 34:27
  > Dave>Right.
• 34:27
  > Julianna>Um, this any pills is made to the highest standards with the lowest abv. When another drink should wait for an hour or a whole different date, grab a designated Dale's N A pills and keep it real. How cool is that?
• 34:45
  > Dave>That's cool.
• 34:46
  > Julianna>Yeah. This is less than 0.5%.
• 34:52
  > Dave>Just snuck it in there.
• 34:53
  > Julianna>Exactly.
• 34:55
  > Dave>This one, I'm gonna be honest, is not one of my favorite in a beers. And. And the thing is, is, like, there are breweries that do nothing but brew non A beers. Yeah. And this is pretty solid. Like, it's not bad. It's just. It almost tastes more like a hop water to me in a way.
• 35:22
  > Julianna>Um, Okay. I mean, that's fair.
• 35:24
  > Dave>But. And. And it's. What's weird is, like, they call it an NA pilsner, but it's kind of hop forward. So, like.
• 35:32
  > Julianna>Yeah. So then what kind of pilsner would this be?
• 35:35
  > Julianna>It certainly wouldn't be Chuck pilsner.
• 35:37
  > Dave>Like in a. Italian.
• 35:39
  > Julianna>I was gonna say, like, more Italian pilsner.
• 35:42
  > Dave>Yeah.
• 35:42
  > Julianna>Which, I mean, it's fine. I'm not.
• 35:44
  > Dave>But you have to put those hops in there to hide the lack of alcohol, because otherwise it's just grain.
• 35:52
  > Julianna>Sure. You know, but it's a fine line then when you're going into something that's like, hop water territory versus adding other flavors to give it a little zhuzh. You know what I mean? So you're not just tasting hop water.
• 36:05
  > Dave>I mean, it's not hop water. It's definitely not, but it's on that into the spectrum as far as these NA beers go, for me, because the hop is about all there is to talk about.
• 36:23
  > Julianna>Yeah.
• 36:24
  > Dave>That's pleasant.
• 36:25
  > Julianna>But, yeah, it's. I, uh, mean, and I think if you have somebody in the group that maybe used to drink beer and now cannot drink beer, or if you're doing
• 36:35
  > Dave>dry January sober October.
• 36:37
  > Julianna>Yeah.
• 36:37
  > Dave>Are you just giving your liver a break?
• 36:39
  > Julianna>Yeah.
• 36:40
  > Dave>Are you the designated driver then? Hey, bang couple.
• 36:44
  > Julianna>This really cool, right? This really cold, I think would be just fine.
• 36:47
  > Dave>Yeah. Uh, you're good to go.
• 36:48
  > Julianna>Yep.
• 36:49
  > Dave>It's not.
• 36:50
  > Announcer>Not a problem.
• 36:50
  > Julianna>What do you want to rate this
• 36:52
  > Dave>for what it is? I think we give it a three.
• 36:54
  > Julianna>Yeah. Sounds good.
• 36:58
  > Dave>So are you glad we revisited Oscar Blues?
• 37:02
  > Julianna>Yeah, I am. Um, A, for nostalgia sake, in a way, but then B, because it's nice to know that they've expanded, because I honestly did not. I. I mean, and I. This sounds bad, but it's not like I would.
• 37:22
  > Dave>I don't look for. I don't know.
• 37:24
  > Julianna>I know. And now I feel bad that I don't.
• 37:26
  > Dave>Yeah.
• 37:27
  > Julianna>Because I enjoy what's here.
• 37:30
  > Dave>I kind of want to. When it gets colder, maybe I want to drink some 1050 or some old
• 37:37
  > Julianna>chub or something, you know, like, find that and.
• 37:40
  > Julianna>Yeah. Um. I mean, that could be another episode.
• 37:42
  > Dave>Yeah.
• 37:42
  > Julianna>Revisiting, uh, those or Just.
• 37:44
  > Dave>Just something we do.
• 37:45
  > Julianna>Sure. Yeah. Or something we do in general. Yeah.
• 37:47
  > Dave>Some tin fitty around the fire pit.
• 37:50
  > Julianna>See an old chub too. Yeah, that's, uh, praying for freezing weather. I hope we get lucky and have a blizzard this year. Anyways, I think that is going to do it for today. Um, what a great episode.
• 38:08
  > Julianna>Yeah, like seriously, good beers. Yeah, good beer.
• 38:11
  > Julianna>Great episode. And good blast from the past, you know, And Dale's is still relevant.
• 38:17
  > Dave>Thank you, Dale.
• 38:17
  > Julianna>And good on him. I mean, seriously. Well, good old boy Dave. Say goodbye.
• 38:23
  > Dave>Bye.
• 38:24
  > Julianna>This is good old gal Juliana. Keep on chuggling and catch you next time.
• 38:28
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• 38:37
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• 38:40
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• 39:33
  > Dave>Sam.
• 40:05
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