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INTERVIEW: Jada Pinkett Smith On Worthiness, Sacrifice, The Power Of Marriage, Combatting Rumors + More · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 2: Wake that ass up in the morning.
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  Speaker 1: The Breakfast Club. Morning, everybody, It's the j n V.
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  Speaker 1: Charlamagne to God. We are the Breakfast Club. You got
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  Speaker 1: a special guest in the building now, this is a
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  Speaker 1: special special yes, Jada Pinkett Smith.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome, Thank you, thank you, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: How are you feeling this morning?
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  Speaker 3: I'm feeling good.
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  Speaker 2: You're glowing good.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you. Yeah, you know, life is good even in
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  Speaker 3: the chaos. I mean, life is yeah, that's what it is.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, so you just get in
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  Speaker 3: harmony with that.
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  Speaker 2: That's interesting, you said, I could always be wondering, like, Yo,
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  Speaker 2: are we ever going to find peace on this planet?
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  Speaker 2: Or do we just exist within the chaos? The chaos
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  Speaker 2: is normal?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, you know, just in my journey, I've
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  Speaker 3: just been discovering that you kind of have to just
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  Speaker 3: rise above it, right, because the world is going to
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  Speaker 3: be what it's going to be, right. I actually think
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  Speaker 3: that the world is a university, you know, to teach
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  Speaker 3: us how to transcend it. Yeah, and so yeah, you
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  Speaker 3: just you got to make peace with what this world
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  Speaker 3: is about. But I don't think that this place is
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  Speaker 3: our sanctuary. I actually think, you know, ascending it and
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  Speaker 3: going into more of the spiritual spiritual places, you know,
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  Speaker 3: and just kind of understanding living your life from there
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  Speaker 3: within the world. I mean, that's what they say, you know,
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  Speaker 3: be in it, but not of it.
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  Speaker 1: You ever get tired of it? Though, because you've been
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  Speaker 1: on this on this tour for a while, and you're
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  Speaker 1: very big on energy and vibrations, and sometimes I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: the energy and vibrations have been all over the place,
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  Speaker 1: but it seems like you've been on tour, yeah, for
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  Speaker 1: a long time, you ever get tired of it? Like
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  Speaker 1: now enough's enough?
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  Speaker 3: Now, you know. I just I think that if I
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  Speaker 3: put myself in that frame of mind and I just
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  Speaker 3: bring myself a level of discomfort, that's not necessary, right,
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  Speaker 3: You just go it is what it is, So how
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  Speaker 3: are you going to step up to the moment? And
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  Speaker 3: that's it? You know, That's just what it is. And
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  Speaker 3: so that's where I find my piece.
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  Speaker 2: Since the release of this book, what is your ego
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  Speaker 2: been telling you?
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  Speaker 3: My ego? My ego has been telling me to let go,
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  Speaker 3: you know, because it takes a lot of courage to
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  Speaker 3: sin in your truth, takes a lot of courage, takes
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  Speaker 3: a lot of courage to be happy. So when you're
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  Speaker 3: walking through the world and you're dismantling ideas, you know,
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  Speaker 3: you kind of have to in that dismantle you just
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  Speaker 3: kind of have to let go of everything that you
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  Speaker 3: thought you were, everything that you're trying to be, and
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  Speaker 3: just flow right, just let whatever is presenting itself just
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  Speaker 3: kind of be what it is, you know, but you
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  Speaker 3: definitely gotta let go. So it's been a real test
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  Speaker 3: in regards to trust, you know, just can't trust the
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  Speaker 3: ego in that way anymore. But you know that's a process.
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  Speaker 3: So as I'm dismaying, so you go from one ego
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  Speaker 3: state to the next, right, so it just gets it
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  Speaker 3: just gets uh, it just gets smaller, I guess, you know.
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  Speaker 3: But the egos always going to be that. So you know,
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  Speaker 3: you just kind of learn how to make friends with
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  Speaker 3: your ego and have it work for you in a
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  Speaker 3: different way, for different purpose. Right. So that's what I'm
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  Speaker 3: working with right now.
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  Speaker 1: Has this truth helped your relationship with friends, family, and
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  Speaker 1: even your marriage? Has this truth and all the things
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  Speaker 1: that came out or did it make things worse?
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  Speaker 3: Oh? No, See I didn't. I didn't step into this,
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  Speaker 3: walk into my situation with my friends, my family, and
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  Speaker 3: specifically Will was tight right because I already knew how
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  Speaker 3: disruptive it was going to be. So I had to
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  Speaker 3: make sure that my inner circle was tight, right, so
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  Speaker 3: that we could walk this together hand in hand. Right.
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  Speaker 3: So it's actually, you know, specifically for Will and I,
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  Speaker 3: it's definitely brought us closer. It's so funny how crisis
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  Speaker 3: will do that, you know what I mean? Yeah, you
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  Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. So that's the thing about Will
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  Speaker 3: and I's just like we just learn more and more
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  Speaker 3: as we go that this is what we were built
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  Speaker 3: to do, you know, with each other, you know, and
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  Speaker 3: to walk together. And you know, just like any long
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  Speaker 3: term relationship, it goes through it's shit, of course, you know,
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  Speaker 3: and so you gotta take your time. I really had
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  Speaker 3: to grow emotionally. I hadn't realized how emotionally immature I was,
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  Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. And so that's the thing
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  Speaker 3: about long term relationships that are fantastic if you can
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  Speaker 3: just hang in there, because it's going to force you
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  Speaker 3: to step your game up if you want to be happy,
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  Speaker 3: you know. And so Will has been one of my
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  Speaker 3: greatest teachers on my journey, you know, because I've been
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  Speaker 3: forced to have to do with my stuff, you know.
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  Speaker 1: What stuff because you said you're immature. What immaturity do
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  Speaker 1: you see when you look at yourself?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I would say, you know, about seven years ago,
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  Speaker 3: just when you're just hanging onto these romantic ideas of
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  Speaker 3: what marriage should be, what your partner should be for you,
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  Speaker 3: so that you don't have to be the thing for yourself,
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  Speaker 3: like when you keep banging on somebody like, no, I
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  Speaker 3: need you to show up this way because I need
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  Speaker 3: to feel a certain way about myself. Right, That in
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  Speaker 3: itself is just like hold up, you want somebody else
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  Speaker 3: to be something for you that you're not willing to
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  Speaker 3: be for yourself. First of all, how do you call
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  Speaker 3: that love? You know? And I had to like step
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  Speaker 3: away to really realize that, you know, and so me
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  Speaker 3: get myself in alignment and just realizing like, yo, Jada,
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  Speaker 3: you got a lot of work to do, and then
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  Speaker 3: doing that work and then being able to present myself
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  Speaker 3: self with more of myself, and then being able to
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  Speaker 3: see Will as who he is and just accept him
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  Speaker 3: and love him.
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  Speaker 2: There, that's what I think is lost, you know in
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  Speaker 2: the book. If you haven't read the book, like you
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  Speaker 2: think all the convos about Tupac and Will distracted from
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  Speaker 2: what this book really has to offer.
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  Speaker 3: Because I do, yeah, And I knew that. I knew.
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  Speaker 3: I knew it was going to be a lot of distractions, right,
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  Speaker 3: And I was like, hopefully this book will have legs
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  Speaker 3: so that once all of the you know, the chatter
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  Speaker 3: dies down, we can get to the real components of
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  Speaker 3: the book. Now, people who've actually read the book are
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  Speaker 3: on it, right, they see that, so the journey of
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  Speaker 3: healing it's a journey of.
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  Speaker 2: His It's a journey of somebody trying to find their worthiness,
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  Speaker 2: which is you know, all of us have instruggled with
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  Speaker 2: that impost syndrome, not feeling worthy. If you read the book,
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  Speaker 2: you see somebody really laying it out in detail, the
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  Speaker 2: journey to get to that place.
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  Speaker 3: Of worthiness, and it's a universal struggle, you know, we
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  Speaker 3: all do it in a different way, right, It's a
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  Speaker 3: universal struggle. And so yeah, that's I really wanted to
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  Speaker 3: lay that out in the way that I did, especially
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  Speaker 3: once again just dismantling these ideas of perfection, you know,
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  Speaker 3: because we also have these societal romantic ideas of what
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  Speaker 3: somebody in my position, what my life should look like,
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  Speaker 3: who I should be within it, you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 3: And it's like, no, no, no, Like real life is
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  Speaker 3: real life, no matter what station you sit in at period.
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  Speaker 3: You know, do you regret leading with a lot of
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  Speaker 3: that stuff, leading with a lot of to.
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  Speaker 2: Talk about will to talk about pop because you know
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  Speaker 2: those just became sound bites and headlines on the internet
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  Speaker 2: clips that.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's so difficult because when you're dealing with media,
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  Speaker 3: that's that's that's what that's what people want to attach
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  Speaker 3: to people not interested. You know, that's not the clickbait
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  Speaker 3: or any part of it. The clickbait is, you know,
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  Speaker 3: the tupac, the will, you know. So you got to
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  Speaker 3: kind of get past the clickbait where people get exhausted
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  Speaker 3: with that and that dies down and then people can
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  Speaker 3: get with the real But it's hard to avoid it. Honestly,
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  Speaker 3: it's hard to avoid it.
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  Speaker 1: When did you get to a point where you knew
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  Speaker 1: that's what you needed, right because we look at your
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  Speaker 1: life and we see the wedding, we see the trips,
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  Speaker 1: we see all of that. When did you realize and say,
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  Speaker 1: I need to fix this because this isn't right with me.
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  Speaker 1: What was that moment?
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  Speaker 3: Augh I would say that I got slammed up against
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  Speaker 3: a wall, probably when I was really confronted with some
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  Speaker 3: really heavy suicidal thoughts, you know, when I was looking
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  Speaker 3: for cliffs to drive over, you know, so that my
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  Speaker 3: suicide would look like an act so my kids wouldn't
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  Speaker 3: think that I committed suicide. And I did a plant
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  Speaker 3: medicine journey ayahuasca.
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  Speaker 2: I can't wait.
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  Speaker 3: Let me know when I got you, you know, it's
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  Speaker 3: like and that that was a real awakening for me,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and I really had to be confronted with
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  Speaker 3: my own shadow, my own self hatred, and it was
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  Speaker 3: so strong and it was so scary. I was like, whoa,
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  Speaker 3: I didn't I thought it was I didn't even want
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  Speaker 3: to be with that, and I'm like asking somebody else
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  Speaker 3: to contend with that. That was the first moment that
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  Speaker 3: I realized, oh, Jada, you you got some stuff to
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  Speaker 3: deal with.
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  Speaker 1: And what got you to that point? Because most people
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  Speaker 1: would look on the outside and be like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: she's rich, she's a movie star, stating another movie star,
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  Speaker 1: she has beautiful kids. Your mom is still like it
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  Speaker 1: looks like to the outside, the life is perfect. So
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  Speaker 1: what in that perfect life on the outside made you
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  Speaker 1: feel imperfect or made you not feel like this is
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  Speaker 1: what I want.
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  Speaker 3: It was like dealing with the foundational wounds, right. I
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  Speaker 3: hadn't done, I hadn't dealt with. And that's what we
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  Speaker 3: most of us don't even know what our foundational wounds are.
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  Speaker 3: We don't even know we're foundationally wounded, right. And so
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  Speaker 3: it started a childhood you know, you got two parents
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  Speaker 3: who are addicts, and you're not the priority, right, And
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  Speaker 3: then just the levels and just the trauma that gets
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  Speaker 3: built upon what that environment. It's like, right, and you're
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  Speaker 3: I thought that making it would heal it all. You know,
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  Speaker 3: success takes care of everything, right, And then it was like, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: made it to Hollywood, that's not it. And then I
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  Speaker 3: met this fantastic guy and I was on this world
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  Speaker 3: win of romance with Will, and I was like, he's
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  Speaker 3: gonna fix it. You know what I'm saying. He's gonna
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  Speaker 3: He is the knight and shining armor, He's the savior Prince.
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  Speaker 3: He's gonna fix it. So it went from one false
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  Speaker 3: belief to the next. And I talk about trying to
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  Speaker 3: check all the boxes. It's like, checked all the fucking boxes.
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  Speaker 3: What's left, right, and then having to realize, oh man,
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  Speaker 3: oh yeah, you're not dealing with your stuff. That's what's left.
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  Speaker 3: So it just goes to show that we can have
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  Speaker 3: all of these exterior things, you know, but that's not
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  Speaker 3: the thing that's gonna heal the soul.
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  Speaker 2: You know. When I read your book, it makes me
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  Speaker 2: think all of that, and it makes me think of
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  Speaker 2: the quote your happiness is your response to responsibility. If
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  Speaker 2: you expect others to make you happy, you will always
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  Speaker 2: be disappointed. Do you agree?
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely? People can People can assist in your happiness, but
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  Speaker 3: they can't make you happy. And I think a lot
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  Speaker 3: of times that that we get caught up in those
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  Speaker 3: romantic ideas that other things, other people's circumstances can make
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  Speaker 3: us happy, and it just doesn't work that way. They
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  Speaker 3: can add to our happiness, you know, if we have
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  Speaker 3: a foundational place within ourselves that can give us that happiness.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting because you know, when we used
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  Speaker 2: to watch Red Table Talk, people would be like, who
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  Speaker 2: is Jada Jada Pinkett You take off the drug dealer,
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  Speaker 2: Jada drug dealer energy? You know, I never, I never
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  Speaker 2: when I when I read that in the book, I
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  Speaker 2: was like, Jada Pinkott Smith was in the streets like that.
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  Speaker 2: But when you walked in, I'm like, oh, I see it,
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  Speaker 2: I see a little king.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just trying to be comfortable. Sorry about that.
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  Speaker 2: But when people used to watch Red Table Talk, they
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  Speaker 2: be like, why who Why is Jada Pinkett Smith an
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  Speaker 2: expert at anything? But in the book you refer to
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  Speaker 2: yourself as you said, you're a pseudo pseudo guru. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you said in the field. Oh, it's in the feeling
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  Speaker 2: of range chapter that you seem to often set yourself
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  Speaker 2: up to fall off the edge of high and mighty
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  Speaker 2: them you admit at the time you didn't know shit.
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  Speaker 2: Like why I talk to yourself.
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  Speaker 3: Like that, Well, because it's the truth, damn, you know.
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  Speaker 3: And I think that when we're in, when we're really
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  Speaker 3: on that game of healing, like the person that you
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  Speaker 3: got to be the most honest with is yourself. And
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  Speaker 3: a lot of times that that could be that that
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  Speaker 3: could be the most difficult when you really got to
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  Speaker 3: look at yourself and realize, you know, where you thought
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  Speaker 3: you were something and now you realize that you ain't,
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  Speaker 3: you know, And so yeah, you just got to learn
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  Speaker 3: how to be deeply honest with yourself. And as as
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  Speaker 3: I talk to myself that way, I can also hug
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  Speaker 3: myself in saying that, you know, can you off?
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  Speaker 2: That's about the guarding lessons you learn from your grandmother,
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  Speaker 2: because I thought.
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  Speaker 3: That was, yeah, I mean, just the cultivation of love,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and how you can take things that are
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  Speaker 3: seemingly you know, you could take fish heads and apple peels,
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  Speaker 3: you know, stuff that seems like trash and put it
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  Speaker 3: in the ground and fertilize the ground, right, and really
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  Speaker 3: beautiful things will grow with us life too. You know,
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  Speaker 3: we can take experiences that people might feel as though
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  Speaker 3: are unsavory or whatever, right, But it is those things
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  Speaker 3: that if we use it to nourish, you know, those
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  Speaker 3: spaces of our hearts, spaces of our souls, they can
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  Speaker 3: be put to good use, you know, to make really
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  Speaker 3: beautiful things grow.
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  Speaker 1: Now you talk about love so much, and you talk
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  Speaker 1: about how you felt at one time you are against marriage, right? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Is that because you seen your parents in their relationship?
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  Speaker 1: What changed your mind?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? I think that was really Like I got to
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  Speaker 3: see my grandparents who both said to grandparents had a
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  Speaker 3: really long lasting marriage. But I wasn't quite sure that
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  Speaker 3: it was the pinnacle of happiness, right. And so you know,
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  Speaker 3: when you're young, you're a free spirit, and I'm just like, no,
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  Speaker 3: I can do this different, Like because I want to
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  Speaker 3: be happy. I'm not quite sure that's what happy is. Like,
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  Speaker 3: how can I be in a relationship and be happy?
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  Speaker 3: You know, I was all about the devotion of it,
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  Speaker 3: but I wasn't quite sure that marriage was the thing, right,
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  Speaker 3: And it wasn't until maybe gotta be honest, like maybe
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  Speaker 3: three years ago.
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  Speaker 1: Three years ago, you've been married all this time. It wasn't.
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  Speaker 3: No, no, no no, Not that I wasn't happy, not
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  Speaker 3: that I wasn't happy, but I got to see the
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  Speaker 3: power of marriage.
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  Speaker 1: Three years ago.
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  Speaker 3: I got to see the power not even well yeah
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  Speaker 3: and no, right, I got to see how marriage is
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  Speaker 3: a it is a holy path for real, right, just
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  Speaker 3: in regards to learning about love, because it takes a
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  Speaker 3: long time to break down all the different false beliefs
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  Speaker 3: that we have about love, right, and and the thing
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  Speaker 3: about holy matrimony. And it's not to say that you're
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  Speaker 3: not going to go through some unholy stuff, right, but
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  Speaker 3: when two people are committed and just refuse to quit,
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  Speaker 3: what you can learn about yourself, about your partner, and
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  Speaker 3: about love in general. You can't really learn by going
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  Speaker 3: from one relationship to the next, looking for the honeymoon
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  Speaker 3: stage over and over again, right, specifically, if you're interested
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  Speaker 3: in learning about unconditional love, you know. And so I
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  Speaker 3: was like, oh, snap, this is what it's about, you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, so three years ago, but like, what was that moment?
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  Speaker 1: Three years ago?
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  Speaker 3: I would probably say, when we'll going through the process
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  Speaker 3: of emancipation. And then once he finished emancipation and the
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  Speaker 3: stuff that started coming up right, and that's when he
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  Speaker 3: was like, hey, can we get back into some therapy together.
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  Speaker 3: And the stuff that was coming up for him and
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  Speaker 3: the kind of conversations we were starting to have. I
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  Speaker 3: was like, Okay, here we are. You know what I mean.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, and everybody starts their journeys in different ways
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  Speaker 3: at different times, you know what I'm saying. But that's
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  Speaker 3: when I knew. I was like, okay. And then we
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  Speaker 3: went to the oscars and that whole thing happened and
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  Speaker 3: it wasn't I didn't even think twice about it when
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  Speaker 3: I saw what was happening, and I was like, I'm
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: not leaving this man's side. I'm not leaving this man's side.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: Do you think up until the point of three years ago,
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: do you think y'all had just more of a trauma ban.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: I would say yes, and no, I would say we
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: had a trauma bond, and then underneath of it there
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: was this real deep friendship, this spiritual bond too, because
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: you can start breaking through your trauma and start talking
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: through your trauma, and if it's just a trauma bond,
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: once you start to heal and you start going your
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: separate ways. It's done if it's just a trauma bond, right,
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: But when you can feel that that spiritual bind once
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: you're doing the healing, and that spiritual bind is just
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: yoking you tighter, then you know of something else, you know,
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: and you really have to have the discernment to know
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: the difference, you know what I'm saying, because sometimes you
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: do just have a trauma bond with somebody and sometimes
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: you just got to get away, you know what I'm saying,
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: And so you gotta really like sit with yourself and
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: have the discernment to know the difference.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: That's real, because sometimes you heal so much you be like, man,
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: you look around like.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: That's real. Talk, yeah, straight out, because that's what we do,
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: you know, It's like that. And that's part of it too,
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: you know, And that's part of why we have to
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: have the courage because innately, you know, once you start healing,
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: a whole lot is going to change.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: What were your thoughts on people?
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: And the reason I ask is, you know one time,
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: well he still lives. But Will Smith was america sweetheart,
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: right from the music industry to the movies. Everybody loved Will.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: But after the oscars. It seems like the world and
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: even friends, I've seen new y'alls's changed and switched. So
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: what was going through your mind frame now? And how
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: did you deal with that?
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah? You know, so going back to these ideas of romanticism, right,
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: when we talk about those societal romanticisms, you want to
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: believe that there's a there's a reality in regards to perfection.
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: You know that there is a place of perfection in
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: this world, right, And so I really understood like that
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: dynamic because I went through that personally within myself, dealing
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: with having to look at the imperfect parts of myself
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: and not liking it and really being very disappointed, having
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: to really look at the imperfections of my relationship and
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: not liking that, and being really disappointed in fighting against
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: wanting to believe that the romantic idea of marriage and
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: life did not exist. So I completely understood when masses
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: were just like upset, you know, that that what they
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: believed was not true. You know, there's no there's no
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: such thing as that. It doesn't mean that there's not
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: beauty there, you know, but expecting someone to uphold this
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: level of perfectionism, you know, And and I understood, and
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: so you have to allow people to go through their process,
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: just like how I had to go through my process,
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: you know, to get to the other side of that.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: But the real deal is is that beauty that Will
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: is all of those things y'all are. Yeah, you know,
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: he's as beautiful as people believed him to be. But
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: yet he also has you know, his stuff too, like
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: we all do, you know, but it doesn't make him
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: any less of the beauty that you know he always
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: wants to offer and the laughter.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: You know, you're saying the book that you and Will
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: had pictures in your mind of what a happily married
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: couple was, but your pictures didn't matter, do they ever?
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: And do they now?
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: Well? They do? You know, you can get to a
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: place so when you when you start to break down
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: and dismantle all of your false beliefs and you start
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: to pare it all down to truth, and you two
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: can look at each other, you know, in the darkness
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: of the cave and in the brightness of the sunshine
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: and accept it all and everything in between. Yes, you know,
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: that's when you start to be able to have more
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: compassion for one another, more respect for one another, more
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: consideration for one another versus this power struggle of like, no,
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: my way is the right way, you should see it?
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: My way? You know? No, no, no, my way is
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: the right way. You know, all of that that we
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: all go through, and you start to see, oh man,
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: there's this yin and yang balance that needs to happen.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: Both ways are right, right, So how do we integrate them?
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's like the intention and goal is what
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: should matter the most, right. Absolutely, our intention is to
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: have a happy marriage. Our goal is to happy happy marriage.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: So doesn't matter what you think about getting to that
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: happiness or what he thinks. As long as y'all both
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: are trying to be happy, that's.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: It, right. But you have to you gotta break down
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: the egos, you know, two individuals have to be willing
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: to break down the egos. And because when the ego's
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: in place, there's no room for love. So if you
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: really want to learn how to love, you gotta be
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: willing to let go of that ego.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. One thing I love about the book is the
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: title worthy because you know, for anybody who's ever dealt
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: with in posta syndrome, who struggled to get to a
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: place of worthy, that title stands out. So what is
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: worthy to Jada.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: Pinkett Smith, you know, worthy is when you can really
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: be ten toes down on your self love, when you
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: can be your own individual in regards to like you
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: wake up in the morning by yourself. You look in
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: the mirror and you are enough. Now, I know that's
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: cliche because I used to I used to hate hearing
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: that stuff too, like, h you know, you're enough and
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: self love and all of that, But at the end
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: of the day, that's what's real, you know. It's like
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: when you know that you're enough, when you know when
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: you're in the deep darkest places you know of despair,
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: and you're able to bring yourself up out of there
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: because of how you're loving on yourself and you don't
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: need your husband, your wife, your kid, your best friend,
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: you don't need nothing. That's when you know. That's how
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: you build your self worth. And so that's what it
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: means to me, you know, and having a really strong
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: presence of self love and then you can share that
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: with others. You understand that you are worthy, that you
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: are a gift that you can share that instead of
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: looking for somebody to give you, you know, something give
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: you their treasures so you can feel worthy.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: I always want to know what the with the Oscar situation?
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Did that save your marriage? And the reason I asked
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: that is, you know, I've been married twenty two years,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Charlomae's been married a long time. But in the household,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: especially in marriage, right, your wife will always be mad
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: at you, right, but you can't be mad at him.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: I could be mad at him. I'm not going to
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: let you tear him down down. Yeah, So did that
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: save your marriage?
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: I would say what it definitely did is that it
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: accelerated what I think was already in the process. Right.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: It was in that moment that I knew. I was like,
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: no no, We're gonna do this together. I'm gonna be
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: by your side, and I know that I'll never I'll
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: never leave your side. Right Because it's funny, because an
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: emotional crisis, I didn't blink. I didn't blink. And that's
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: when I knew, deep down inside, I'm like, you know
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying. It's like, and you there's no getting
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: away from him. You've been trying, you know, really you
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: don't want to go nowhere? Stop it. And so it
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: was that incident that I knew right away. I knew
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: right away. I was like, yo, we in it, you know,
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: And so that was it. But I think that was
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: the trajectory anyway. It just in an instant solidified it. Yeah.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: You know, if you know, if y'all have been separated
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: all of these years, if you read the book, you
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: realize that, right, And Will never said anything about it.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: Why did you feel now with the time to reveal
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: that information. Was it just to sell books like some
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: people think.
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: No, it's part of the process, you know. It was
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: part of like part of my self worth journey, like
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: I had to. Really, I was leaning on Will in
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: a lot of ways. And I think for women specifically,
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: how a lot of times our relationships are used to
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: identify us, you know what I mean. And so I
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: thought that was a really important process and so much
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: a really important thing to talk about because so much
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: of my journey happened in that time when it was
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: just me right, you know, And I think that and
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: I also wanted people to realize that sometimes marriages go
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: through breaks like that, you know, And for people out
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: there who are thinking about, yo, should I just get separated?
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: Should I, you know, get a divorce. I'm like, man,
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: just take time for you. Have the courage if you
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: got the courage to sign divorce papers or you know,
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: go to lawyers and get just have the courage to
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: figure out how to just take time for you and
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: then see what's showing up for you, right, Because sometimes
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: divorce is the answer, sometimes legal separation is the answer.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: But first and foremost, just take a year. Take a year,
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: see what shows up, you know, before you start going
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: into like all these other processes. Because sometimes we can
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: act so quickly out of anger and frustration and we
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: just want to get away, and we think that's the answer,
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: you know, and in some cases it is, but in
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: some cases it's not.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: How did you feel when you talk about the truth, right,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: and you say a big reason of this book is
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: you can help other people, other marriage, other couples that
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: are dealing with it and don't know how to express
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: it because they've never seen it, right. And the press
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: and the public says, you know, Jada is embarrassing. Well,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: and you just said you were doing it because you
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: wanted to live in your truth. So what do you
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: say to those people that thought that it was just
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: an embarrassing, embarrassing well and dehumanizing him, and take it
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: and take it as his masculine.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: I want to quote Anne in the Borrow of the View,
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: she said, you are emasculating and embarrassing.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: Oh well, I think if she took time to read
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: the book, you know, I think that if you want
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: to try to kind of you, if you if you
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: want to just read headlines, you know, I could see
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: how that could be confusing, right, But the book is
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: right here. You have two books you can read. Actually,
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: you can read my book and Will's book, which is
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: so great that a lot of people are doing that,
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: you know. But people have the right to their opinions,
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: you know. And I always know that anybody who's saying
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: that hasn't really done their homework, you know. But you
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: got to expect it too, because of what the headlines are.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: You know what clickbait is. So Will knows what it is.
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: I know what it is, my kids know what it is.
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: And more importantly, Great Supreme does too, right, And so
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: that's that's really, that's really all I'm concerned with. At
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: the end of the day.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Do you keep a checklist of some of those people
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: that or you just let it.
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: Go, and yeah, I let it go. It's like, cause,
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: let me tell you I've been there. You know I've
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: been there. It's like, I'm not gonna sit up here
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: and act like I haven't. You know, I've been there.
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: That's like thinking I know, based on headlines, thinking I know,
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: based on whatever. You know what I'm saying, So I
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: have no judgment because I've been there.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: I want to ask you something about the headline thing.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: But you made me think of something because when you
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: were brought up Will's book, do you think I know,
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: nineties Hollywood was fantastic. It's one of my favorite areas.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: I love every black king and queen from that area.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: But do you think nineties Hollywood helped or hurt y'all
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: as people? Because y'all had to keep up such an image.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: Everything was an image, Everything was curated. I remember Will
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: saying you couldn't even curse because of who he was.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: So y'all weren't really allowed to be your human selves.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we definitely weren't. We weren't allowed to be our
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: human selves. And not only that, you know, it was
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: like blackness was accepted on screen, but off screen, the
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: more black you were the more isolated you were going
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: to be in regards to your opportunities in Hollywood, right,
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: And so I do believe that that era in that way,
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: you know, But and not even just us as as
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: you know, the black community within Hollywood, Hollywood in itself,
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: because you're meant to live up to this ideal that
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: is not really realistic at all, you know, and so
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: you know it can be challenging in that way.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: Well, Will will have him Did you have problems from
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: other black people? Because when you think about it, you
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: and Will had a different level of success than a
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: lot of your black peers. We even, like you said,
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: you was catching hell from the white folks, did you
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: black folks black people start giving you hell to.
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: You know, we weren't. I wouldn't say that we were
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: catching hell from from anybody, right. It was just it's
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: just the criteria of Hollywood, right, And you know, I
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: don't catching hell versus like what is simmering beneath, you know,
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: because then you got the jealousy and you got the
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: you know, the envious. But that's all part of it
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: as well. I don't think that's unique.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: When Will was up here, he talked about being insecure
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: a little bit about Tupac. Did y'all ever have that conversation?
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: Because as a man, when you're a little insecure, I
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: almost feel like you play both sides. You want to
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: be yourself, but you want to show that you're better
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: than the person that's making him insecure. You're tougher than,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: or smarter than, or more romantic than, or a poet
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: then a better rapper than. Did y'all ever have that conversation.
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't say that we had conversations in that way.
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: It was just like, you know, we came up in
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: the era where it was so unusual for a man
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: and a woman to be friends, right, I mean, really
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: think about it, like that's more of an open idea now, right,
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: but just think in our era that was just like friends.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: They had to be dating.
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like what what? Right? And so I think for
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: him it was just like getting your mind around around that,
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: you know, and that the kind of friendship that we
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: had because we had such a you know, tight friendship
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: that you know, was very impactful on my life, you know.
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: So I think it was just getting the understanding around,
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: you know that Tupac and I could be friends, you know,
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: and that that he was a part of my life
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: in that way, and so just we had a lot
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: of conversations around just those ideas.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: How did he get over that?
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: I think he just realized that. And I really can't
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: speak for Will. You should probably ask him when he
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: comes back, But I think he just realized that that's
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: what it was, you know what I mean, it was like,
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: that's what it was. It's like, you know, that was
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: that beautiful friendship. And I think once he really and
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: started as he got older, started having his own friendships
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: with women, like, oh, that that is possible, and how
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: are you with that? I'm listen. I always told Will
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: you need some female friends?
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: Did you yes?
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: Because I think I think I think men and women.
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: I think men do need female friends because and women
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: need male friends. And I actually think men once they
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: have daughters.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: I got four, I got four, and you got four
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: daughters and majority female.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: There you go.
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: But I see, I would now let me ask you
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: a question. Would you say that having daughters helped you understand?
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: And see? I think that's what happened to Will. I
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: think once Willow came, you know, and then he started
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: to realize a different relationship with the feminine right, and
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: then he realized, oh wow, you know, you can have
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: relationships with women that are non sexual or however, y'all
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: have to, you know, manage that in your own minds. Right.
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: But I think once Willow came, she was his teacher
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: on that for sure, and so he was able to
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: have female friends.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: I want to ask you about some of your male friends. What, man,
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: do you think had more of an impact on your
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: early life?
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: Uh? Oh man, they both did in different ways. They
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: both did in different ways. Yeah. I mean Chet taught
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: me a whole lot. That was That was that was,
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: That was my dude. You know, Chet put me on
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: in a big way, you know, and through him I
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: learned a lot, even lessons that I keep till this day,
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: just like just being on the load, just you know
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying. And and then Pac, you know, Pac
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: taught me about black power, you know, and so many
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: other things. But yeah, they both taught me so much
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: in different ways.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: Where chat Now Chet is in l A.
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: Okay, okay, yeah, Chet is in l A. I brought
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: him out to l A.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: I heard, I heard he works for you.
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: He works with me?
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, that's crazy. Yeah.
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: Once he once he got out.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: You read the book, you understand, Yeah, works for you.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: Now, well he doesn't. He works with me. He once
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: he got out because he he did ten years. He
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: was supposed to do twelve, he did ten. And uh,
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: he wanted he just wanted to.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: Change his life, That's right.
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: And I said, I got you, come on out. And
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: so that's where he's been.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: You know how many people would would would completely turn
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: their back on that part of their life. Oh yeah, no, no,
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: he wouldn't even look out for those individuals like.
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: Chat n like he was. He looked out for me
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: in so many ways, you know, And so I I
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: couldn't do that. There's no way. And you know he's
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: got his HAFE lifestyle situation happening. You know, he's building
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: his own you know what I'm saying, his own situation.
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: But you know that's my dude. Like we we we
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: we've been through We've been through too much together.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: And you talk about it in the Living the Dream
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: chapter how you and Pac used to argue about the
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: ways black men justified mistreating black women. You had the
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: epiphany that you and Pac were arguing about the right
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: to feel love.
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it was like and so this was during
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: a time when we were both in Hollywood and just
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: trying to figure out, like, how is it that we're here,
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: and just we both felt like once we made it,
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: we're gonna be straight. But when it came to you know,
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: just relationships and just like you know, I would get
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: on them about certain lyrics and his music, and so
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: we were in this power struggle about how black men
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: should be treated, how black women should be treated. So
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: I was coming from this position of my overall feeling
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: of lack of self worth. Pack was coming from a
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: position of his overall feeling of not feeling respected validated
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: through you know, the feminine and me through the masculine.
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: And it was, you know, on this broad conversation, but
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: at the end of the day, it had everything to
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: do with how we felt about ourselves, you know, in
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: our intimate lives when it came to men and when
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: you know, and for him when it came to women,
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: and how it was being expressed in this debate around
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: cultural representation, you know what I'm saying. But at the
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: end of the day, we were really talking about ourselves.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: You just want to be loved.
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: I just wanted to be loved. I just wanted to
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: be loved.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: You know, I wish we could lead with that. I
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: think back, you know, we probably probably didn't have the
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: language back then. So it's like now in a marriage,
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: you can say I just want us to be happy.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: You can say I just want to be loved. Loved,
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: so we can let's let's focus on that.
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: Right, how do we just learn how to love each other?
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: And I think what one of the biggest lessons that
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: I'm learning is that we're in the game of relating
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: of learning how to love. Like, expecting that people show
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: up knowing how to do that is really a false idea, right,
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: It's like, we're learning how to love each other. So
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: not only are we learning how to love each other
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: in our homes, but even in the world. You know,
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: it's like, and the people who choose to lead with
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: love or choose to be willing to learn how to
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: love cool, And they're gonna be people that that's not
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: they don't want to, they're too afraid to, so they're
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: gonna lead with negativity. They're gonna leave and thinking that
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: that's what gives them power and thinking that's what keeps
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: them safe. That's okay too, you know, It's like this
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: world is made of all things, so many things, and
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: you just gotta learn to accept it all.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: Well, we do one thing about marriage. We have to
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: make sacrifices right for each other. Do you feel like
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: your career would be a lot bigger if you didn't
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: make a lot of the sacrifice I remember Will's bookie
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: talked about that you made a lot of sacrifices for
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: his career, and there's a lot of things I'm sure
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: that you passed up that you didn't do because you
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: were supporting him and taking care of home. Do you
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: feel like that. I guess you would be way bigg
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: as an actress if you didn't make those sacrifices.
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: You know, I think that for me, that was never
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: my goal. And he used to ask me all the time,
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: He's like, why don't you want to be the biggest,
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: you know, actress in the world. I'm like, I don't
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: want to. Thank God I didn't, because you can't. You know,
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: you know, you can't have a family and two people
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: trying to you know, I wanted to have a loving,
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: tight knit family. I wanted to create the family that
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: I never had. That was my goal. You know what
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: I'm saying. And so at the end of the day,
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: anything that I gave up, sure it was sacrifice for Will,
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: but was sacrifice for my family. And I got the
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: family I always wanted to have. So I would say
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: it was a sacred sacrifice. It was really sacred, you know,
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: because I feel like in order to have some things
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: that you really want, that's what it takes, you know,
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: And so I have no regrets on that.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: Were you ever envious of Will's success?
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: Well, no, no. I at times wished that that might
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: not have been the focus all the time, you know.
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: But one thing I always admired about him was his drive,
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: you know. It was one of things I love about Will,
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: you know, And so I was always cheering that on.
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: But I never really wanted that. I'm not built like that.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: Because there was one part of the book when you
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: you were pitching a movie. I forgot what the movie was,
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: and the producer was like, only if Will chose not
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: to do it, and I was like, what that screens?
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: They ended up having a production company together anyway.
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, But at that particular point of time, being young
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: and feeling like I didn't want anybody to feel that
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: that was how to get to will was through me.
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: So if you if you let one person come in
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: that makes that request and you say yes, that's going
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: to open up the floodgates for everybody to think, Oh,
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: all you got to do is get with Jada and
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: then Will's coming, you know. And now, anytime will and
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: I decided in our home that we were building a
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: project together that we wanted to do together, that was
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: our choice. No outside forces were gonna come in and
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: tell me you're not willing to work with me unless
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: you have will You don't have that power, You don't
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: have that choice. Will and I decide that. So that's
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: why How.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: Did the kids deal with everything that the ups and
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: downs in your relationship, especially being so public? Right, because
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: I remember when Willow released the single or with My
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: Hair right, and we didn't hear anything after that because
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: it almost felt like that wasn't her, Like she did
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: that for something else. And then when she came back out,
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: it was totally different than the child with My Hair
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: back and forth. So how did the kids deal with
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: everything and being in that limelight?
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: You know? I talk a little bit about Willow's journey
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: in the book because we had we were on a
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: parallel line. I mean, when she was eleven, she was
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: telling jokers no right strong with it too, just like no,
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: and I was kind of like no, you know it,
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: and I realized, like, yo, JD, you gotta get your noback.
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: Willo was teaching me how to get my noback, you
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. And so it's funny because they've
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: had their challenges, for sure, but it's they don't really
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: get caught up in the will and Ie stuff. Like
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: even like when there was so much stuff going on,
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: we're not even on young people's timeline, you know what
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: I'm saying. They're like, I don't know what the hell's
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: going on. Cool, I'm straight, I'm worried about this next
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: single I'm about to put out and this video mom
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: all as well, you know. And as far as their
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: own fame and dealing with their own stuff, they've really
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: have had to learn how to navigate that. And I
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: think part of that is just having come up in
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: the social media world. And so whether you have you know,
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: fifty followers or you got you know, twenty million followers,
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: young people have to figure out how to navigate having
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: all of these outside voices on their pages saying whatever,
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: they need to say. And I think that's just part
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: of that generational kind of navigation that all all young
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: people have to figure out and work through, and they've
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: done a really good job with it.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: We don't know that, Jack, we don't know what.
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was talking about Willow and Jaden. Yeah, they've
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: done a pretty good job. But you're right, we don't
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: know what the social impact is going to be. You're right.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: How have your kids contributed to your journey of worthiness?
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: I would say they were I won't say the first,
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: but having my kids love me as hard as they
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: do unconditionally has just been so beautiful because not only
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: do they love me and embrace me as their mother,
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: but just as a woman on her journey, you know
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: what I mean. And throughout my life with them, like
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: Jaden was the one that if I when I was
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: in that crisis. Now he didn't know I was in crisis,
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: But Jaden just happened to come into the kitchen and
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: go mois Is and Materia out here talking about their
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: dad who just did this freaking plant called ayahuasca. You
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: gotta come hear this.
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: And if people would have read the book, they wouldn't
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: have said Jaden introduced Yeah, ayahuasca.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he had it in the backyard with a headlines.
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah. No, that's what I'm saying. It's like his friend's
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: father had done it and they were explaining it to Jaden.
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: And then I talked to their dad, you know, who
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: I had known for a moment, and he came in
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: and you know, he was like this new this new guy,
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: and I was like, yo, I need that. And then
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: within a month there was a ceremony and and oh hi,
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: and I was there and I got my own healing,
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: you know. But it just goes to show you how
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: the universe works, you know. And so and then Trey,
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: my goodness that my love for him, you know, brought
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: me close to his mom so that he could have
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: She and I. I mean, and and Sharie has been
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: such a great teacher for me, Enrico. She was probably
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: one of the first relationships where I had to really
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: work on my ego, meaning like all this insecurities, all
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: of the like you know, competitive envy, jealousy, you know
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: of like nah, nah, this mine, you know what I mean,
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: and like, no, it's actually not you know, It's like
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: there's a Trey that's his mother and if you're gonna
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: love Trey, you're gonna have to learn to love her,
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: and you're gonna have to learn to embrace her as
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: family and her family in order to make a family
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: for Trey. So I had to let go of all
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: my stuff. And what a ride that was, you know,
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: like for real, for real, And so that was like
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: one of my first They.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: Would always talk about how Will would go on vacation.
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: With just her, well not just her, No, no, not
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: like that. It would be like so for instance, when
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: he did his his book tour and he went to London,
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: so it was his mom and his sisters, and I
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: think Trey went and Tree, you know what i mean.
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: So they'll take trips and I'm not there. You know,
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: it's not to say it'll just be the two of
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. But you know, she's family,
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: so she's invited everywhere.
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: But even before y'all were separated, you never had no
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: insecurities about that when that would happen.
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: No, no, uh uh. It's very clear with the two
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: of them, there is nothing going on, like you know
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying, And sometimes you know, I mean they've
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: been married, so they've gone through that process of all
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: that so ain't nothing.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: Most people would ask, how did you get over that?
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: Because how do you get over the ex wife or
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: the ex girl or the baby mama? Like, how did
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: you get how did you say? You know what, I'm
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: gonna let this go. I'm not gonna let my ego.
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: We're not gonna see who the flies is thankgiving anymore.
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: We're not gonna see who cooks the best jerk chicken. Like,
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: We're not gonna go through that anymore.
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: She's gonna out cook me every time. I'm gonna just
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: put that on the table. But yeah, I mean because
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: you know there's Sharik, there's also Tayana who's his ex,
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: who you know is still in the circle as well.
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: And the's got well because Scottie his husband, her husband
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: works with Will. Yeah, and I mean that that's just like,
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: you know, she was an important part of his journey
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: as well, and you gotta respect that. You gotta respect that.
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: It's like and there's no like all of this kind
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: of like idea of competitiveness versus It's like, if you
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: love I love the man that Will is, I'm going
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: to respect all of the pieces that got him there, Right,
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: It wasn't me just coming into his life. That you know,
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: is like he had a whole history before I came.
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Yeah, so did I. So
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: I'm like, if I need you to respect my friendship
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: with Pac and what he meant to me, I gotta
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: respect those pieces of your life that helped you become
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: who you are.
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: That's different. That's a different level of healing, Jada.
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, that's just that that to me
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: is is where it's at. You know, that's where it's at.
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: I think it's easy to understand if you can, if
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: everybody can just understand that men and women can can
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: just be friends.
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: Especially Look, the easy part is I'm not saying there's
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: some new John coming in that that's different.
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: See the Baltimore just come out on.
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, that's a different thing. So
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: when you're talking about people that he already went through
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: a process with, been in a relationship with, you know
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying, that that particular stage of that get
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: down is done and over with. So there's a friendship
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: left there.
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: In the No Soccer Mom chapter, right, you shoot down
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: every rumor there's ever been about y'all that y'all are swingers,
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: that y'all were both gay and playing each other's biers,
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: that y'all were sleeping with whomever you choose. How does
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: it feel in twenty twenty three to still have those
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: same rumors out about people you love, like Will and Duinn.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: I know that just came out too recently.
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, And let me just say this, it's ridiculous, right,
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: and it's nonsense. And this is a person that tried
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: to shake down a money shakedown that didn't work. We're
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: gonna take legal action because it's one thing to have
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: your opinion about somebody versus just making up salacious, malicious stories.
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: So that's actionable. So we're gonna roll with that. But yeah, I.
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: You know, say leave it alone, don't go nowhere.
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah oh no, no, nobody said anything. It's you know,
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: so for me, unfortunately, it's part of it, you know
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: what I mean, It's not true. We're gonna take care
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: of it.
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: There was a money shakedown probably.
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the money, well, it's it's based around this person's
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: idea that they in some way were doing business around
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: Will's book and that they spent money or what have you,
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: and that they needed to be compensated. So he already
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: tried to do this money shakedown. Will was willing to
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: give him a certain amount or what have you, and
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: he didn't take it. So this whole situation is based
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: on that.
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: Give him a certain amount?
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: Why though, just well because of some business that they had,
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: and I don't know the complete details about it, but
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: that's about to come out. Because like I told you
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: about to take legal action, you should. Yeah, no, we
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: are for sure.
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: I was asking, how is Will dealing with it? You know,
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: with oh, released a statement?
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: Will. Here's the one good thing about Will. Will's always
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: gonna find the funny. I figured that, Yeah, kid's always
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: gonna find the funny, you know what I'm saying.
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: And so after the murder, murder, kill kill, Yeah, you
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: have to.
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: You have to because it's absolutely ridiculous, you know what
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: I'm saying. And so all you have is you just
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: gotta laugh about it, you know. And it's unfortunate because did.
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: He ask you, like, do I look like I give
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: off bottom?
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: And he was like, do you believe this ship? You know?
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: But we just laughed about it.
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: Got to ask about tyresee that there was a rumor
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: that tyree called you.
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: Oh said he called you on the phone. Was he was,
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: he was on med, he was out of it. Yeah,
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: and he told you I ain't no killer, Jada, I
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: ain't no killer. But don't push me. Ohingers like the
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: sweetest joy that's getting pushed. You don't know why he's.
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: So. Tyreese did call me for sure, and he was
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: he was definitely in uh in a state. And I
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: was really concerned, you know, and I'm.
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: Just he said, he said him and Charlie Max said,
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: he quoted Tupac.
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: He called Tupac.
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: No, he said, he called you and quoted Tupac.
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: He may have. Let me tell you something. I was
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: so worried at that time when he made that call
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  Speaker 3: about his his state, because it was really deeply concerning
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  Speaker 3: that I don't I couldn't even tell you exactly what
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: happened because I'm trying to think about who I can
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: get there, Who can I get in the house, how
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: can I get him help? Yeah, And so that I was,
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: I was in I was, I was a little panicked,
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: you know, to just make sure that he was okay
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: and that nothing was going to happen. He wasn't gonna
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: hurt himself or anybody else, so that I couldn't even
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: I don't even remember.
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: What he said what he said.
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: I want to talk about the book and a debate
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: I had at dinner a couple of weeks ago with
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: some friends, because in the book, you say that you
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: and Will decided to separate in every way except legally. Yeah,
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: and y'all would have complete transparency, no secrets about what
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: y'all were doing and whom y'all were doing it with, right,
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: And the debate we were having was or earlier in
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: the books, she said that they've never been in an
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: open relationship. But isn't that an open relationship.
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: Well, here's the difference between that. That's when you're in
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: an open relationship and you are still intimate with each other. Right,
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: at that point, we went our separate ways. So it's
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: as if we are divorced, separated and just trying to
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: figure out how we're going to go about it. But
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: at that particular point in time, we were no longer
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: relating in that way, right, because for us, it was over,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: it was done. So if you're in an open relationship,
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: that means that you are still in a relationship with
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: one of those romantically, and you are okay with being
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: with other people romantically separated. We were separated, like done done, done,
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: done done.
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  Speaker 2: Why did you choose not to say August's name in
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: the book?
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  Speaker 3: Really just to I felt like he's been through enough,
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  Speaker 3: you know what I mean? And I just wanted to
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: be respectful in that manner. I really did.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: Do you feel like that's something that you need to
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: heal like that situation.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: I'm hoping at some point, you know, I'm definitely hoping
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: at some point for sure.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to ask you too, if you pick
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: a crew to run with in real life, would you
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: choose between the cast or set it off? For the
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: cast of girls?
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: Set it off?
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  Speaker 3: Oh that's a hard one. Damn Charlamagne, that's a hard one.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: Set it off. They was rioters.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: They were riders for sure, but you know both cruise
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: they got, you know, they got something real special. Yeah,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna plead.
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  Speaker 1: The fifth on that pad.
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  Speaker 2: I only got two more questions, like, when you're having
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: these conversations, now, how do you know in your words
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: that this isn't the pseudo guru using rationale and borrowed
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: wisdom to tell.
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  Speaker 3: You what you want to hear, because it sits so
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: beautifully in my heart. Now, what I will say about
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: that is, that's why you gotta always stay open because
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: as we continue to grow and learn, you know, it's
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: it's Bruce Lee said, it best be like water. You
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: know what I mean, because that's where I'm sitting right now.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: Who knows when I come back, if you know what
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: it'll be then because we just got to stay open.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: We gotta stay fluent. But for now, it's what speaks
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: to me deeply, you know. And that's all we got,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: you know, for the moment.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: My last question, and it's a quote, right, And the
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: quote is other people's opinion to you, whether it's good
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: or bad, should not be ground and what you base
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: your self worth, your value is inherent within you. What
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: matters the most is whether you know you are worthy?
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: So do you know you're worthy?
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: Absolutely? And you know what it really comes from. And
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: I wanted to say this in regards to the question
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: you asked about self worth really dealing with self judgment,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: Like once we can cure our self judgment in a
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: certain manner, right, people's opinion about you can only affect
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: you if you believe it.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: Mm hm.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean. Once you really know who
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: you are, once you really know your self worth, anything
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: that anybody else has to say about you really can't
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: affect you, you know. And so you know, I know
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: how much work it's taken for me to get to
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: know myself. I can't expect anybody else to know me
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: like that, you know what I mean. So I have
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: to be willing and accept whatever opinions come my way.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: I get it, absolutely, yeah right, Jada Pinky smipulated the gentlemen,
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: thank you.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: This was beautiful.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: The book worthy is out right. Now make sure you
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: get it and thank you.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: Don't be a stranger, No I won't. It's the Breakfast Club.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: It's Jada Pinky Smith. Wake that ass up in the morning.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: Breakfast Club.