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Hypno Nightmare Fuel - The Allagash Abductions · PNW Haunts & Homicides

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  Speaker 1: Hello, Twisted humans.
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  Speaker 2: Do you find yourself wanting to know more about the
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  Speaker 2: latest murder, conspiracy, cult, or haunting.
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  Speaker 1: Than this is the podcast for you.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Alicia and I'm Sierra, and this is Twisted and Uncorked. Hello,
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  Speaker 2: and welcome to episode one ninety five of this fear
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  Speaker 2: inducing podcast. We don't always induce fhere, but today we
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  Speaker 2: like we likely will, as I will be telling you
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  Speaker 2: about an alien conspiracy. I read a book for this episode,
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  Speaker 2: and I want to just give a quote from the
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  Speaker 2: introduction right off the bat.
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  Speaker 1: Oh goodness quote.
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  Speaker 2: The two most popular quasi theological interpretations of the abduction
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  Speaker 2: phenomenon are the paranoid version of underground based alien devils
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  Speaker 2: who feast on our flesh and vital bodily fluids with
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  Speaker 2: the full cooperation of the government and the CIA, and
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  Speaker 2: the rosy tinted myth that ets are simply misunderstood space
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  Speaker 2: brothers who stand ready to meet us and chat with
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  Speaker 2: us in peace and light. These men report that permission
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  Speaker 2: was not asked by their captors, and both physical and
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  Speaker 2: psychological pain ensued. They do not seek to demonize the
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  Speaker 2: UFO occupants, but neither do they try to excuse what
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  Speaker 2: is by human moral standards, inexcusable behavior end quote. Before
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  Speaker 2: I get into the inexcusable behavior that is written about,
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  Speaker 2: we need fun facts. What do you have for me?
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  Speaker 1: While I knew in advance that this episode was going
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  Speaker 1: to be space related, so I brought a space related
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  Speaker 1: fun fact. The planet. I know, it's not really the
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  Speaker 1: planet if it's space, but like where we exist is
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  Speaker 1: so cool. So scientists discovered a massive reservoir of water
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  Speaker 1: floating throughout space, equivalent to one hundred and forty trillion
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  Speaker 1: times all of the water on Earth's in Earth's oceans.
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  Speaker 1: So it just floats around in space and it's just
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  Speaker 1: a bottle of water, Just a bunch of fucking water.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like not individual droplets, like a planet that is
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  Speaker 2: made up of only water.
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  Speaker 1: Basically, that's that's sending.
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  Speaker 2: Definitely where the Mermaids live.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we've solved the mystery, guys, we'll see you next week. No,
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  Speaker 1: for sure, that's where the Mermaids live. But I was like,
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  Speaker 1: what I know? I knew that there was water on planets,
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  Speaker 1: but not fucking Yeah, it's little thing. I just picture
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  Speaker 1: like a little like earthworm of water flat. Yeah, what
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  Speaker 1: is your fund?
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  Speaker 2: My fun fact is about pendulums. Pendulums are a great
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  Speaker 2: tool for tapping into your own subconscious Apparently, if you
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  Speaker 2: are very relaxed while holding the pendulum still, your subconscious
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  Speaker 2: mind will move it to answer yes or no questions
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  Speaker 2: that are in your brain that conscious minds can't remember.
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  Speaker 2: According to medium dot com, you can use this tool
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  Speaker 2: to find something that you've lost, as your subconscious knows
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  Speaker 2: where it is, and according to this book, the technique
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  Speaker 2: has even been used by detectives in the past to
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  Speaker 2: get information from suspects or witnesses of a crime. I
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  Speaker 2: feel like we do not use pendulums enough in twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty five, and everyone should be using this tool more.
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  Speaker 1: One hundred percent. That's super cool. Yeah, I've never thought
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  Speaker 1: of it in terms of finding something that's lost, but
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  Speaker 1: that's kind of brilliant.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, could you.
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  Speaker 1: Panic about stuff when you lose it? You're like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: I'll retrace my steps, ky, I'll do this, and like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: that's yeah, I gotta try that next time I lose something.
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  Speaker 1: I don't lose things very often. I have like a
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  Speaker 1: partial identic memory, where I can mostly picture things in
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  Speaker 1: my brain, but sometimes I get so adhd that I
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  Speaker 1: put something down and I cannot for my life remember
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  Speaker 1: where I put it. I was looking for my phone
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  Speaker 1: the other day and it was under the bath mat
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  Speaker 1: on the edge of the tub because I got out
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  Speaker 1: of the bathtub and put the bath mat back over
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  Speaker 1: and I left, And yeah, like it would be nice
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  Speaker 1: for me remembering those little ADHD spas moments like oh
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  Speaker 1: where did you have it last day in the bathtub?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it would be nice.
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  Speaker 1: But I like it. I need a pendulum too. I
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  Speaker 1: feel bad being in like the witchy realm of interests
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  Speaker 1: when I don't even have one.
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  Speaker 2: I have like four and I never used a board. Right,
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  Speaker 2: I have the board, but I've never used them on myself.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know I could use them on myself.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's no. It's usually like an outer existence, yeah
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  Speaker 1: kind of interaction. So yeah, try it. Let me know
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  Speaker 1: how work. I definitely will, especially because you're moving soon,
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  Speaker 1: so you're going to be in this placed and shit
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  Speaker 1: all the time.
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  Speaker 2: Speaking of tools, today's episode pairs well with a drink
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  Speaker 2: I found called Sweet Dreams, and it's a great tool
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  Speaker 2: for helping you fall asleep and stay asleep, which you
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  Speaker 2: will definitely want to do if you think these things
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  Speaker 2: that we're gonna talk about might be happening to you
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  Speaker 2: at night. Also, in the picture, it's beautiful. It looks
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  Speaker 2: really galaxy s right. Okay, so here's the picture.
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  Speaker 1: It's her photo here. Yeah, beautiful. Mine's purple.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I have the blue purple like there's blue on top.
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  Speaker 1: You can tell because ma Alina always floats.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it didn't separate though for some reason.
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  Speaker 1: That's just very cute.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, read it.
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  Speaker 1: Can you of ambitions? That's cute.
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  Speaker 2: It's a Dolly pardon mug.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's very cute. Really the dollar store fucking rights,
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  Speaker 1: I know.
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  Speaker 2: The very top of it says pour myself, uh, and
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  Speaker 2: then it says a cup of ambitions. That's very amazing.
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  Speaker 1: That's very cute. Mine is in my witches brew cup.
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  Speaker 1: And the reason I specifically put it in I mostly
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  Speaker 1: drink things that are not pretty out of cups like
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  Speaker 1: this or smoothies, because I have very few straw situations.
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  Speaker 1: But I will say I was like, oh, I failed,
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  Speaker 1: Sierra because mine is just purple. I just have purple
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  Speaker 1: fool aid over here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it did not work. It's good though, I.
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  Speaker 1: Think that it's still a very pretty drink purple reminds
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  Speaker 1: me of space too, And uh, I put my mind
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  Speaker 1: in here because I thought Sierra was going to come
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  Speaker 1: out with a beautifully separated galaxy drink. Queen of the
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  Speaker 1: Bartenders over there and I'm like, I have purple drink.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, the fact that it's called Sweet Dreams is
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  Speaker 2: also a good pairing, so it doesn't have to be
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  Speaker 2: galaxy esque if you can't get it there. But by
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  Speaker 2: the way, the ingredients, it's half a cup of tart
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  Speaker 2: cherry juice, one thumb of microplaned ginger, the juice of
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  Speaker 2: half a lime and sparkling water all mixed together, and
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  Speaker 2: then two ounces of coconut cream mixed with one tablespoon nope,
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  Speaker 2: teaspoon of powdered magnesium, which I used the Spiralina Spy
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  Speaker 2: Spur Speerlena Spear Realina. There we go for the blue
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  Speaker 2: because at.
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  Speaker 1: Aka are blue algae that we busted out probably one
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  Speaker 1: hundred episodes ago when we did the blue Raspberriesangria.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like my teeth are turning blue.
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  Speaker 1: No, you can't tell my said, no, you're good.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. You pour that over the top and it's supposed
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  Speaker 2: to kind of just sit on top. Mine did not
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  Speaker 2: sit on top. But it's fine, it's fine, It's good, delicious.
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  Speaker 2: I have been drinking tart cherry juice every single day
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  Speaker 2: before I go to bed this week. It helps me sleep,
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  Speaker 2: It really does. Or I'm just really tired because I've
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  Speaker 2: been going to the gym and working on the house.
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  Speaker 1: So I think that I think that something in cherries
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  Speaker 1: is good for like, yeah, calm your nervousness.
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  Speaker 2: I first saw that tart cherry juice was good for
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  Speaker 2: sleep on a TikTok video a long long time ago.
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  Speaker 2: I just never tried it until recently because a bunch
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  Speaker 2: of mocktails I found have art cherry juice in it.
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  Speaker 1: Cherries are a natural source of melatonin. Ah, yeah, there
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  Speaker 1: it is. Cherries also contain trip to fan aka turkey. Guys.
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  Speaker 1: You know it is sleepy after eating a turkey. All right?
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  Speaker 1: That checks out. That's interesting, Like.
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  Speaker 2: Like, cherries do not have turkeys in them. I promise
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  Speaker 2: they're vegan.
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  Speaker 1: Cheer trip a fan is also, Yes, that's what I
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  Speaker 1: was trying to say. Yeah, but you didn't follow that
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  Speaker 1: thought pattern. No, And I couldn't actually find just straight
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  Speaker 1: cherry juice. I have cherry rats, but it's still really good.
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  Speaker 1: It's still really good.
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  Speaker 2: You couldn't find cherry juice.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's because I didn't go to the fancy
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  Speaker 1: expensive grocery store. It wasn't like there's a wallet juice
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  Speaker 1: and yeah, didn't have just cherry juice. It was like
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  Speaker 1: cherry this and cherry with that.
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  Speaker 2: Did you look for tart? Yes, Okay, I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if they do it like alphabet learn or something.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know why it was super tart anyway, because
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  Speaker 1: mine is cherry cranberry, so yeah, it's tart.
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  Speaker 2: Ever since that TikTok video went viral of that girl
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  Speaker 2: who drank tart cherry juice and then like fell asleep
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  Speaker 2: instantly or whatever, said she had a really good, very popular.
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  Speaker 2: Now it's extreme. Like there's like eight different brands out
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  Speaker 2: of Walmart. It's like tart cherry juice.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm like, which ones did that translated to Canada?
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  Speaker 1: Because I know I have it at a grocery store here,
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  Speaker 1: but it's expensive.
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  Speaker 2: So I try to Oh it is expensive. Yeah, it's
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  Speaker 2: like eight dollars.
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  Speaker 1: A bottle, but it's like, yeah, it's like pomegranate juice
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  Speaker 1: in that way. It's good for you. It's fine, it's
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  Speaker 1: worth the investment, but it is at least this way,
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  Speaker 1: I can use it for other cocktails. Yes, I'll call
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  Speaker 1: it a win because cranberry is good and everything, but
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  Speaker 1: it is super tart. I don't think I don't know
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  Speaker 1: what I didn't add enough of. But if I'm making
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  Speaker 1: this space throughout it, it's just because I'm getting a
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  Speaker 1: little nap of tart. It's still really good though.
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  Speaker 2: I like it. It's so good.
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  Speaker 1: I love it.
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  Speaker 2: But I also, again, like I just said, have been
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  Speaker 2: drinking chart cherry juice every night, so I might just
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  Speaker 2: be used to it.
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  Speaker 1: You love your cherries.
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  Speaker 2: I do love cheerries. So anyway, you all listeners go
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  Speaker 2: get your drinks ready while we listen to this promo
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  Speaker 2: from the Last Trip, and then we will get into
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  Speaker 2: the story. You ready, here we go. In nineteen seventy eight,
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  Speaker 2: six year old Jim Wiener fell at his own Listen,
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  Speaker 2: get it out. Because the word Wiener penis testicles. It's
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  Speaker 2: gonna be said a lot tonight.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, you can't just brush over. And because it made
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  Speaker 1: me think of that episode of Friends when Rachel's like
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  Speaker 1: we on the phone after her pediatrician kicks them off,
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  Speaker 1: like fires them because she keeps calling like a crazy person. Sorry,
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  Speaker 1: that's where my brain went.
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  Speaker 2: As you continue, twenty six year old Jim Wiener fell
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  Speaker 2: at his home and sustained brain damage. He recovered from
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  Speaker 2: this incident, but ever since then, he had been experiencing
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  Speaker 2: strange aches, pains, and nightmares. He probably needed a Sweet
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  Speaker 2: Dreams mocktail.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm really hoping this will mean I don't have
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  Speaker 1: nightmares tonight. Here's open.
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  Speaker 2: He felt sick to his stomach at random times, would
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  Speaker 2: have chest pains, side pains and numbness, and vivid nightmares
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  Speaker 2: that he felt were more real than normal dreams. He
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  Speaker 2: had been going to many doctors, including a doctor at
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  Speaker 2: the Harvard University Medical School Department of Neurology and a
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  Speaker 2: neuro epilepsy nurse specialist at Beth Israel Hospital in Boston.
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  Speaker 2: Jim was diagnosed with temporolimbic epilepsy, which has symptoms that
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  Speaker 2: include deja vu, disassociated states with out of body experiences,
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  Speaker 2: panic attacks, chest pains, and hallucinations. However, at least the
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  Speaker 2: two doctors that I just mentioned do not believe that
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  Speaker 2: TL is the only thing responsible for the nightmares that
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  Speaker 2: Jim had expressed to them before even hearing that he
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  Speaker 2: had once seen a UFO, his doctors suggested that he
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  Speaker 2: go to a Muffon event mutual UFO network and ask
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  Speaker 2: for advice from a ufologist. And so he went to
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  Speaker 2: a symposium and met Ray Fowler.
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  Speaker 1: How does one become a ufologist?
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  Speaker 2: Like?
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  Speaker 1: How do I apply for this job? And them qualified?
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  Speaker 2: You know, you gotta go talk to the blank two guy?
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  Speaker 1: Trapis Smith? All right? Noted, well, do I'll get her out?
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  Speaker 1: Have his people call my people?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Talking to ufologist Ray Fowler brought up memories
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  Speaker 2: for Jim that he didn't realize he had. Eventually, Jim
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  Speaker 2: and the friends who had that UFO siding with him
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  Speaker 2: underwent hypnosis to undercover the things that they had suppressed
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  Speaker 2: in their minds. It's important to know that none of
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  Speaker 2: them remembered these things before hypnosis, and that they claimed
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  Speaker 2: and promised not to speak to each other in between
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  Speaker 2: hypnosis sessions so that one friend could not poison the
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  Speaker 2: other's minds. First, let's meet our victims. Jim and Jack
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  Speaker 2: Weener are identical twins brothers who were born in October
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  Speaker 2: of nineteen fifty two in Pennsylvania. They were movie typical
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  Speaker 2: twins who did everything together, liked all the same things,
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  Speaker 2: invented their own language, and felt that they had twin telepathy.
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  Speaker 2: They enjoyed the outdoors as kids with strict but loving
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  Speaker 2: parents who quote provided the most loving environment possible end quote. However,
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  Speaker 2: they did live in a seemingly haunted house there is
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  Speaker 2: Jack and Jim mentioned Harry the Ghost somewhat nonchalantly during
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  Speaker 2: their discussion with Ray. When asked to explain further, Jim
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  Speaker 2: said that he would hear voices at night and hear
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  Speaker 2: weird music that sounded like a drum beating slowly. He
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  Speaker 2: also thought he could hear someone calling out his name
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  Speaker 2: and knocking on the walls.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely not.
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  Speaker 2: Jack said his first interaction with Harry the Ghost was
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  Speaker 2: when he a scary looking monster, was floating next to
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  Speaker 2: Jack's bed and eventually pulled the covers down to look
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  Speaker 2: at five year old Jack before vanishing into thin air.
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  Speaker 2: He remembered wanting to scream, but not being able to. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: I have to pause right here because the entire time
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  Speaker 2: I read this book, I just kept thinking something similar
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  Speaker 2: has happened to me. This is bringing up a memory
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  Speaker 2: for me, I think this happened to me, so I specifically,
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  Speaker 2: I have always remembered this. None of my parents like
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  Speaker 2: every time I say it, they're like, oh, you were
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  Speaker 2: just being dramatic or whatever. We used to think that
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  Speaker 2: something was pulling the covers off my blankets. We made
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  Speaker 2: an entire thing of it. We used to say that
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  Speaker 2: a man and a woman lived in a house we
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  Speaker 2: lived in with a dog, and the man hung himself.
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  Speaker 2: There was this arch in our house. Were like, the
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  Speaker 2: man hung himself right there, and the dog died too,
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  Speaker 2: and then the woman died of heartbreak. None of that happened.
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  Speaker 1: None of that.
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  Speaker 2: That was just the story we made up to explain.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know whatever we thought was happening. We used
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  Speaker 2: to say that the dog was biting the blanket and
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  Speaker 2: pulling it off of.
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  Speaker 1: Us at night.
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  Speaker 2: But I don't know if that actually happened or if
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  Speaker 2: that's just what I remember because we were little kids
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  Speaker 2: talking crap like. I don't know, but this freaked me out.
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  Speaker 2: I might interject like this a couple of times because
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  Speaker 2: there's a couple of things I'm like, wait a minute,
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  Speaker 2: wait a minute, this sounds familiar to Welcome to Sierra's
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  Speaker 2: childhood trauma. Oh my god, I think I need hypnosis.
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  Speaker 2: Also don't want it, don't want it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I need it, but I don't want to know.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to know. No, thank you.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think I've been drinking tarcherry juice for a week.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, depends on what you are. I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: I want to. Don't bring me into that world of trauma.
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  Speaker 2: In other instances, Jack also remembered hearing the knocking, the voices,
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  Speaker 2: and even footsteps. He said that his feet would be grabbed,
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  Speaker 2: his covers pulled, doors would open and close on their own,
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  Speaker 2: electronics would go on or off, and objects would move
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  Speaker 2: on their own. At first, the twins said their parents
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  Speaker 2: would just comfort them and say it was a bad dream. Eventually, though,
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  Speaker 2: their mom would say something like, oh, it's just Harry
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  Speaker 2: the ghost again. He will go away. They slept in
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  Speaker 2: their mom's bed for a long time because they were
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  Speaker 2: scared at night. Guess who slept in her mom's bed
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  Speaker 2: until I was in sixth grade? Why the fuck did
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  Speaker 2: I do that? Sixth grade?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why people all the time.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I like every time I say it, I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: I know I'm weird, Like, that's why I don't.
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  Speaker 1: I don't.
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  Speaker 2: I don't sleep good in a bed by myself at
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  Speaker 2: all ever anymore. Even after that, me and my sister
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  Speaker 2: shared a bed until I graduated high school. Like, not
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  Speaker 2: even kidding. I always need to be touching another person
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  Speaker 2: when I'm sleeping, Like if Jesse doesn't come home or
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  Speaker 2: is out of town or whatever, I sleep with the kids,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to my bed.
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  Speaker 1: So if you come visit me, ever, am I just
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  Speaker 1: gonna have to get like a bunch of squish mellows ready,
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  Speaker 1: just build a body for you. Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: But why don't by myself deep rooted stuff in my brain?
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  Speaker 2: Maybe you have un dealt with trauma because you were
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  Speaker 2: like peaked at by a floating alien person. Oh my god,
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  Speaker 2: it gets so much worse than being peaked at.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I want to. I'm scared. I don't want to,
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  Speaker 1: not like aliens.
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  Speaker 2: The ufologist asked the twins mother about Harry, and she
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  Speaker 2: confirmed the events and even claimed to see a ghost
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  Speaker 2: who was humanoid, glowingly white in a long robe and
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  Speaker 2: seemed to float right out of their closed door after
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  Speaker 2: being spotted by her and her husband in their bedroom.
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  Speaker 2: Gross crazy and she was Catholic. She's like, oh yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I saw that fucking ghost.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, She's like, oh yeah, sure, normal night here at
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  Speaker 1: her house happens all the time.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: The twins stopped seeing Harry the Ghost at age fifteen,
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: when Jack's final paranormal experience occurred. A glowing yellow orb
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: of light floated right into his kitchen window where he
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: was passed him through the house and then out another window. Okay,
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: Harry the Ghost wasn't the only paranormal thing that the
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: twins experienced as kids, though. Jim had experienced at least
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: one lost time instance as a child that he could remember.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: He was sledding out on a hill and specifically remembered
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: leaving as soon as the sun started to set because
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: he knew he would be in trouble if he wasn't
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: home for dinner, but somehow he was still very late.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: Another weird, maybe paranormal thing that Jim recalled from childhood
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: was actually something he couldn't remember. His whole family remembered
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: the time that he went missing when he was young.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: He had been outside playing in the snow and fell
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: into a utility hole of some kind, where he was
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: eventually found almost frozen to death. Maybe his brain blocked
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: it out because it was too traumatic, but he says
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: he cannot remember it no matter how hard he tries.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Oh After Catholic grade school in public high school, the twins.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: The twins went on to college, Jim at Mansfield State
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: College and Jack at Massachusetts College of Art, where he
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: met friends Chuck and Charlie, who would of course be
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Jim's friends as well. Chuck Rack was born in January
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: of nineteen forty nine to a wealthy family in Massachusetts.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: His dad, though, was abusive and his mom was alcoholic.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: Because of the wealth and likely the guilt, Chuck's dad
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: took him to extravagant places as a teen, like England
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: and Germany and Italy. It's Chuck from Gossip Girl. Chuck
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: also seemed to have a bit of a paranormal childhood,
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: though not nearly as active as the twins. He only
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: remembered the scary encounters from the ages of four to six.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: He said he would feel a presence in his room
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: at night sometimes and thought he'd see little people that
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: were all white. He didn't know what they were doing
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: in his room, but he'd just go and sleep with
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: his parents. When he got scared. He also had a
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: curious experience with a move on investigator at the age
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: of twenty five in nineteen seventy four. He was in
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: Vermont that year during a snowstorm when he saw on
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: the end covered in blood, walking down the side of
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: the road. He took the dazed man to the hospital,
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: where he made a full recovery, and Chuck checked in
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: on him at the hospital for a time. That is
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: when he learned that the man was a move on
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: investigator and was in the area investigating a strange occurrence
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: at a farm with crop circles and men in black.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: But that's a whole nother episode for another day. Okay,
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: this guy crashed his car, That's why he was bloody.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: He's fine, but definitely unsettling timing m H like, thanks,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: can't you see that we're going through some shit right now?
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Could you not have crashed your car? Next Tuesday?
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: Our final victim is Charlie. Charlie Fulks was born in
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: January of nineteen fifty in Pennsylvania, but was raised on
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: a farm in Ohio. He had a happy, mundane childhood,
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: working on the farm with his dad and then working
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: on water pumps for the community with his dad. When
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: he was old enough, he joined the Navy for a
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: four year stint disposing of radioactive waste from the military's
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: nuclear program. Charlie never experienced anything paranormal in his life
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: until the incident that we are going to talk about today.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: But he did want to see something that he thought
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: might have been a UFO while he was in the Navy.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: It was during a classified mission, so he couldn't give
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: much information away, but it was in nineteen seventy near Spain.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: He and the other crew saw a glowing orb type
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: thing hovering over them for a while before taking off,
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: as if it were just observing for a bit. All right,
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: So now let's get into the incident at hand, the
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: Alligash incident.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: I already don't like the name.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: Just well, Aligash is a place in Maine.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Well, it's an unfortunate name for the disturbing things we
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: were talking about. Okay, it is.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: It is a little bit gash, yeah, Jack, Jack, Jim, Chuck,
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: and Charlie planned a camping trip to the Alligash in
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: Maine in nineteen seven. The trip was for multiple days
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: of camping as well as hiking canoeing and fishing for
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: their food. During the trip. They drove all through the
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: night Friday the twentieth to get started on their adventure
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: on Saturday. The trip started out great. They recuperated Saturday,
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: hiked all day Sunday, rode one of the boat plane
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: things that like take you. You know, it's like a boat.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's a plane, but it lands on the water.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: I don't know what it's called, pontoon something anyway over
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: to the pond.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: It is like a party boat.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I thought.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but they.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Said something any okay, whatever, y'all know what it looks like.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: They did that on Monday and then spent the day
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: Tuesday in the canoe. Tuesday night, the four friends, along
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: with many other campers were at the campsite and noticed
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: a strange ball of light in the sky. It was
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: so bright there for just a minute and then blinked
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: out of sight. Everyone at the campsite, including strangers, seemed
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: to be mesmerized by the ridiculously bright light while it
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: was there, pointing at it and talking about it, But
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: once it was gone, everyone went about their night, assuming
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: it must have been a planet that was visible for
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: just a bit like sometimes they are. This was fact
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: checked later on, though, and it was most likely not
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: a planet. There was a planet that was scheduled to
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: be visible that night, but not that bright and not
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: at the time that the four that these four and
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: the other campers reported seeing that light. So weird anyway.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: The next day was Wednesday, and the weather had turned bad.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: It rained all day long and allowed them to just
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: relax at the camp site, but they wanted to stick
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: to their itinerary and were a bit stressed that they
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: couldn't canoe out to their next fishing hole. Thursday, the
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: twenty sixth, was sunny and beautiful, so they headed out early.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: They needed fish this day to replenish their storage, but
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: they weren't having any luck catching anything. Thursday night, they
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: decided to try their luck at night. Fishing out in
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: the wilderness surrounded by black waters at night would be dangerous, though,
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: so they made it eight So they made a huge fire,
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: probably bigger than they should have if they were being
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: forest fire safe, but big enough that they would know
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: the way back to their campsite when they were done fishing.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: All four of them piled into just one canoe for
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: this excursion. As well because safety and numbers. While trying
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: to find a spot out on the water, they saw
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: that big ball of light again, the one from Tuesday.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: The moon was new with only two percent visibility on
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: this day, so it couldn't have been the moon, which
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: is something I researched myself because I was like, is
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: it the moon?
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: Though it's not, I mean makes sense. I would also
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: just like to point out that sea plays are what
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: we were looking for.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: The words called a seaplane lane. That's super lame. Wow, Okay.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: I really felt like I needed to correct us before
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: somebody yelled. Also, I called the drummer from Blank twenty
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: to Travis Smith at the beginning of this. His name
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: is Travis Barker. I feel as though I needed to
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: protect us.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: So I don't think Travis Barker is the you don't
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: think UFO one though, you don't think so. I don't
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: think it's Travis Barker.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: I know Travis and Blank twenty two.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: I don't know if it's a Travis.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: It's the drummer though, right.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: No, I don't think it isn't Travis Barker, the one
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: that married the Kardashian That's not the UFO guy.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Why are you talking about blank?
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: What? Because hang on, let me see which one is
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: a blank? UFI, Tom DeLong.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Oh it's not the drummer.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: It's not the drummer.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Okay. Oh, okay, that's even better.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: I know Cheviisberger can't be trusted.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: He's with a Well, that's what I was like, that's interesting, Like,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: I guess you could have a wide range of interests,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: not that.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: Wide, and you have mouse.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: Come on, I don't know you've met Amanda Goodness, right,
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: that's very true.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: She's the exception. No one else is allowed, no one else. Okay.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: So Chuck saw the light first and he was immediately
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: transfixed by it. He said it was like a pulsating
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: fluid or plasma all around the sphere, changing colors from
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: red to green to yellow, hovering motionless and without sound.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: Eventually the others turned and noticed as well, saying it
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: was about the size of a house. Charlie, the military
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: man held up a large flashlight for the group. Sorry,
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: held the large flashlight for the group and decided to
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: signal at the thing. And then suddenly it began coming
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: straight towards them, turning on a beam of light that
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: emanated from the bottom of the speed of the sphere
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: like a triangle all the way to the water. The
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: twins and Charlie were terrified and began paddling the twins
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: with just their arms as fast as they could towards
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: their fire on shore. Chuck, though, was still transfixed and
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: what seemed like a literal blink of an eye. The
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: canoe was at shore and the men were watching the
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: weird ball of light float away until it blinked out,
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: just like the thing from Tuesday? Did you people because
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: of I am not doing any of this on purpose?
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: Blankuai? She was not in my notes that the second time,
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: I was like, she's doing this not at all. Find
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: another adjective, nor your stories are always wonderful, But I'm
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: just like that has to actually, you know what. I've
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: noticed a lot of serendipity though, and stuff that we
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: talk about on the sides and stuff that it just
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: works fine.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: It does. The four friends now at shore were very
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: calm and very exhausted, maybe in shock. They noticed that
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: the fire was pretty much out, which was weird considering
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: they had been on the water for only like thirty minutes.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: But they just wanted to sleep. And didn't talk about
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: it again until twelve years later, when Jim found Ray
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Fowler at the convention and convinced his friend to let
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: Ray investigate what was happening in his nightmares and if
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: it was related to their sighting. Spoiler alert, it was.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: So this is another thing that I I have told
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: you guys before that I'm pretty sure I had a ufosiding.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: But every time I tell it, I realized in the
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: moment and even say, like, anyway, we just didn't talk
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: about it after that. I don't know why. Why did
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: we not talk about it after Like? What the fuck happened?
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Abnormal drive?
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: So like we weren't even driving, we were walking.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: No, Oh, I was talking about when you were with
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Jesse and that big shadow came over you guys.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, that one, that one we talked about. No,
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: me and my friend when we saw the thing that
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: was Yeah, listen, Okay, for some reason, we're just like, oh,
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: that just happened. Okay, let's pretend like it didn't and
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: never talked about it again.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, I can't say I blame you, like otherwise
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: you have to process it or keep listening.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: Oh no, So let's talk about their hypnosis sessions. Each
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: friend underwent hypnosis separately and without the others present. Some
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: of them underwent more than one session. Chuck's session was
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: the shortest. Remember he was the one who claimed to
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: be mesmerized in the canoe. But the author of this
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: book later characterized Chuck as a macho man type, and
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: I think that sums it up perfectly. Even under hypnosis,
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: when he's talking about everything that happened, he seemed to
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: me to be very matter of fact. This is what happened.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: I don't have any feelings about it. Charlie, on the
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: other hand, was very nervous for his session, and even
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: during his session he told what he remembered, but he
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: did it with a lot of metaphors, kind of like
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: he was disassociating in a way that would make it
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: more sensible. Jack and Jim, though, they went all in,
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: all the way, relaxed, all the way, opened up. After
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: piecing together what happened from each individual account, I read
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: from the book, this is the gist. Okay, this is
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: a very long book. I'm not going to read every single.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: Person's I don't know if I want to read. Well,
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: you told me to.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: Look at look at, Look at look at my.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: Oh ship, no book, no book SMR sticky note edition.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: I will read it. I will definitely read it. Maybe
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: I'll steal it from you next time I see you,
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: and uh, at least.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: Read my notes. I made like little scared sad faces
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: on a bunch of spots because I was like, I
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: don't want to read this.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: You need to keep that list so funny.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: In one of these one of the I literally wrote, oh,
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: where's it. I don't know how far I got into
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: the book, but in one of these notes, on one
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: of the there it is, I just thought, oh, that's
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: not it either. Anyway. In one of these spots, I wrote,
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: was I abducted? Like what the fuck?
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: So no, I'm excited anyway. I'll read the page and
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: they'll be like, oh yeah, yeah, I'm renting that one
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: from the Library of Sierra. I don't want the generic version.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: You have to get the annated one with all the
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: scared sad faces.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: That's cute.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: Everywhere, that was really cute. I have a bunch of underlines.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: But when I was like, this entire paragraph scares me,
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: I just put a scared sad.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: Face, like, oh my god, that's pretty accurate. Your face
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: just made the accurate face for that. I YouTube watchers.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: If my camera changed, I apologize. I kicked my desk
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: and my webcam went awry. This is closest I'm I
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: get it. The four friends went onto the water to fish,
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: but before they even started, they saw the UFO. Then
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: they sicknubble it. It shot down a beam and they
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: started paddling as fast as they could away from it.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: After hypnosis, they finally remembered they did not escape that beam.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: It encapsulated them in its light. They all described this.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: As like a tube or a tunnel, but being inside
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: of it was different for each of them. Chuck said
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: that he was getting drawn I look ridiculous with my
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: headphones on, but oh yeah, I cared, you should be.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: Chuck said that he was getting drawn up towards the ball,
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: but couldn't explain how. Jim said he didn't like the
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: feeling of being in the tube. It looked like it
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: was moving, like when you blow smoke into light and
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: it reflects it.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's a very good descriptor well done, sir.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: I picture that immediately.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: Charlie described basically being beamed up, saying that he could
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: see the canoe still on the water way down below him.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: Absolutely not.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: Jack said that the tube was like glass, but not glass,
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: and that it made him feel funny and come apart. Quote.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: I'm screaming and my eyes are open real wide, and
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: my mouth is open real wide, and my tongue is
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: sticking out, and my ears are coming off, and I
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: feel like I'm thick. I feel like I'm thick. End quote.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: I don't what. I don't like that.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: No, I don't like any of this. I thought I
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: liked aliens.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: I thought we were friends. When I say I feel
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: like I'm thick, it's like I'm having a blody day,
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: not whatever.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: Whatever this is. Once they were up on the UFO,
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: the four men felt paralyzed, but were one at a
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: time inspected by the beings who inhabited it. They all
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: four described the beings in almost the same way. Humanoid
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: with arms and legs, big heads, small necks, four fingers
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: that were kind of claw machine like, sheen, full body suits.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: They had large, black eyes that were described as being
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: bug like or almond shaped, dark or black or the
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: shiny color of a beetle. Hate that they had no eyelids,
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: but some inner membrane thing that sort of came together
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: in a blinking motion like frogs or birds.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: I hate that the most.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: They said. Either there were no ears or just holes
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: for ears, or just small bumps no nose or small
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: bump as a nose or small holes for a nose,
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: and no mouth.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: You knowle colored voltemore like this is terrifying.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: And no mouth or just a slit line as a
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: mouth like a turtle.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: Oh, every part of that that's basically black. No, I
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: don't want to see.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: No, this wasn't their drawing.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: But I basically basically you gotta send a picture of
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: that for.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: Oh, I'll send I'll show you all of their drawings
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: if you want it.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: You got to send me pictures for the post. Hate it.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all of them are creepy, the sad yes.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: And terrify the rest of our list.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: And they said the beings didn't ever talk to each other,
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: but did make head moving and hand moving gestures that
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: seems like they were talking and understanding each other. They
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: also said that even though the beings never talked to them,
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: they did things that the beings wanted them to do,
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: including forgetting all of this, because they just really felt
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: like the beings wanted them to do certain things, and
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: if they didn't it would be bad.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: One of the things that beings wanted them to do
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: one by one was get undressed completely naked.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: Why are they so permy and like interested in the
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: human body?
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: Quote they made me take it off. I just got
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: the impression that if I didn't do that, I was
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: going to be in trouble. End quote. All four men
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: remembered getting undressed and seeing each other get undressed. They
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: also remembered as they got undressed and then inspected, the
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: other three just sat on a bench and didn't help.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: But they also remember being on the bench and feeling
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: paralyzed and not being able to help.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's sad.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: So like at first they're like, why are my friends
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: helping me? And then they're like, oh wait, now I'm
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: sitting down and I can't help.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: I want to.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: Help, but I can't help.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't like that. That's like sleep paralysis, Like yes, awake,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: but you can't think.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: Your sweet dreams. Don't wake up. Don't wake up tonight.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: I hope I don't. No, thank you.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: Jack said that they lifted his head up by the chin,
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: really far and inspected his neck. When the being touched
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: his wrist, he said, it felt like caterpillars. It doesn't
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: get better, it doesn't get better. They lifted his arm
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: up and inspected it. They used some sort of metal
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: rod to scrape and scoop under his arms, the backs
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: of his knees and his calves, and between his thighs.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: Then they walked him over to a machine that seems
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: like it was in a doctor's office. The machine was
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: over top of Jack, sort of like a tray, just
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: above his chest, which meant that it couldn't really see
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: what was happening to the lower part of his body. Yeah,
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: but he could feel it. Quote they're touching my penis.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: They put something on it. I can feel it. It's
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: going in. I don't like it. I'm peeing. I can't stop.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: It's hurting. End Quote what a catheine that poor man.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: Next, he stood up again and felt that the beings
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: were telling him everything would be okay. Quote they're putting
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: something in me up my ass. It burns. It's like
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: an enema. But no, it's not so bad. They're saying
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: it's not so bad, and I'm saying, okay, it's not
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: so bad. End quote. So they're like hurting him and
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: they're like this doesn't hurt, This doesn't hurt, and he's like,
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: ow oh, it doesn't hurt. It doesn't hurt. Like they're
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: like hypnotizing him. In Jim's hypnosis session, he said that
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: the beings seemed interested in the fact that he and
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: Jack looked exactly alike. He also remembered watching these things
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: happen to his brother Jack, so like first one of
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: them was questioned, and then the other one was and
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: the other one not sorry, not questioned, but under hypnosis. Yeah,
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: the other one would say I saw this and this
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: and this happened to him, when he just said I
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: saw this and this and this happened to me, you
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like they're collaborating.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: See, most of what happened to Jack happened to Jim
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: as well, the same things with the arms. Then they
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: inspected his genitals. The hypnotist asked Jim what it felt
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: like when the beings touched him, and Jim said, like bugs,
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: it's so bad.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: It's so bad. Bugs's immediately out that they have beetle
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: like skin. I hate it.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: It's just it's disgusting. And if you think about the
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: representation of a giant alien head on a skinny neck,
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: it's kind of like an ant, It's like a bug.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: They're like bugs.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna vomit.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: It's disgusting. I'm sorry, aliens, I think I don't know,
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: maybe I'm not. Maybe your assholes.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well you're non consenting but putting up things right now,
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: I'm so frezzeled. Oh. Also, like what probing stories do
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: we ever hear that's like consensual?
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: But also yeah.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, family doesn't like it either, Guys, I.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: Know he won't shut it. So Jim wasn't compliant at first,
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: and he said that the beings poked him in his
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: ribs when he didn't listen. Eventually, Jim was also walked
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: to the table like Jack was. He said they kept
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: touching his penis like they wanted him to get an
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: erection and give a sperm sample, but he was too
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: grossed out. Yeah, eventually he told them or thought toward them,
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: he can just do it himself, and he did. He
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: gave them a sperm sample. So remember Jim.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: So he masturbated in front of aliens. This is what
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: you're telling me.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: He did right into a test tube.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: Oh, I mean that's really the lesser of the two
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: evils in that situation.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because if it feels like bugs, how can you, like,
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: you know, is this on the cockroach? I'm not sure. Oh,
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: good thought.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: Every time you say like bugs, it's like a visceral
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: reaction of my body. Like I don't know how you
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: got through this book. I literally I feel difficult moment
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: every time you say those words.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, but I just want to point out that
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: this is happening in nineteen seventy six. Jim did not
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: have his fall which caused TLEE until two years later
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy eight, and then two years after that
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: is when he started dreaming about weird things. So this
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: is not a oh, this is all a hallucination because
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: you have tl He didn't fall for two more years.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: No, I think he had repressed trauma that that after
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: his fall recessed.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, he did let slip during his
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: hypnosis that he believes he was visited again in nineteen eighty.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: But we'll get to that in a little bit. First,
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: we need to talk about what happened to Chuck and Charlie.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: Oh, do we have to There's four of them. It
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: was horrible. I'm so sorry for you.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: It is horrible. When it was Charlie's turn for hypnosis,
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: it was hard for him to remember much because he
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: was scared in the actual moment. He remembered not wanting
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: to open his eyes while he was being observed by
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: the beings in the UFO. Thankfully, he did at least
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: a few times, and the hypnotist was able to get
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: a lot out of those times as well as his feelings.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: He remembered seeing the examination of both Jack and Jim,
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: and then after much deep, deep relaxation, he finally remembered
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: being examined himself. He said the beings took skin samples,
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: swabbed his mouth, took blood from his neck, took urine, feces, hair,
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: fingernail and tony clippings. He said. They scraped the insides
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: of his thighs and his groin, probed his testicles, and
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: examined his penis, taking a swab there as well. Of
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: what I don't know.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is an uncomfortable thing in a medical
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: setting as it is. Yeah, but this is non consensual.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: You're not knowing what's happening, and it's like bug like
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: people like.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is like a fucking monsters awful. In Chuck's account,
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: his penis is also greatly examined. Quote. They just seem
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: very interested in that part of my body. They're looking
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: at it intensely. They put more light on it. They
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: it's almost like something fluttering, like a butterfly. It's coming down.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: Something oozes from my penis. They take it away. End.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: Quote Again with the bugs, why do they all mention bugs?
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: Because that's like, the only thing is humans we have
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: that's similar enough to like.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: But the thing that freaks me out is if if
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: they're all mentioning it, it's gotta be true aliens feel
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: like bugs. That's gross.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: Well all aliens though, right, Like you gotta think of
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: like different.
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: The ocean aliens, right, the ones that look like they're
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: wearing wetsuits, I'll take that, Yeah, the ones that are
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: probably octopuses, the ones that are scale free.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: You read remarkably bright creatures.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: Right, No, not yet? Oh my god, it's cute. I
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: want to read it.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: It is so cute. And if aliens are like that,
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: that's what I want.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: Kiddy, put my vote in on what type of alien
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: ducks me, he thinks so much.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: Please please. Chuck then remembers being taken to the bench
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: and watching all of his friends have things done to
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: done to them that they've already described. Chuck must have
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: been the first one to be examined. He was also
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: the one that was like transfixed, so like maybe he
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: was being hypnotized that entire time, like it's.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: Okay, special connection. Yeah.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah. After the examinations are over, they remember being escorted
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: back toward the tube thing and then going through it
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: and being back in the canoe, which was now near
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: the edge of the shore. The beings told each of
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: them not to remember the incidents that had just occurred,
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: and that seems to be why they didn't discuss it
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: when they got back. Also, the fire they had built
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: was almost out because they had been inside the UFO
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: for hours.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Also like full body examinations, but in one spot.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah. During the hypnosis sessions, the hypnotists asked leading questions
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: at the end in order to know where to take
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: the questioning to next time. They asked Chuck if he
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: had ever seen the entities before, and this is how
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: we learned of his childhood quote unquote ghost that I
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: explained earlier, not a ghost after all.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: That's somehow worse to know that they can float over
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: you like that. Yeah, I'm out on every single part
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: of this.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: It still gets worse on here. Jim's paranormal events were
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: also examined deeper under hypnosis. He was able to remember
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: the time he fell into the hole and also remembered
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: that while he was down there, the beings were up above,
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: just looking down at him. He didn't say that they
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: put him there though, just that they watched as he
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: begged them without words for help. It's possible that they
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: did put him there as a way to explain the
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: fact that he was missing when they realized that people
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: were looking for him. Maybe he just can't remember what
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: they did to him before he ended up in the
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: hole because their memory erasure or whatever they do worked
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: better in this incident.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: Thing. You did not talk about it with anyone.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah. He also remembered why he had missing time after
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: the sledding trip when he was about ten years old,
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: and that one he remembered a lot from so as
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: he was walking home, he saw UFO and then was
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: pulled up by it. Quote. I think it really beamed
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: I think it pulled me somehow. It's just a feeling
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: of a suddenly exploding, like it was pulling me apart,
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: and then I was inside of something. End quote. So
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: it's like, you know how when you watch like I
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: don't know, any space show in it, it looks like
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: particle movement. Yeah, but literally like they're describing yet not
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: like you're floating like you are. You're particles making apart
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: and going yeah, I don't like it. I don't like
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: that either.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: I think that I thought that that's what happened when
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: you got beamed up, because sometimes in movies when you
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: get beamed up from a light, it's like you're.
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I like it better when they're just like cows.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: And the like yeah, flying cows.
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: Flying cows.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: I'm good with that.
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: He said, presumably inside the UFO that they put him
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: on a table, took off his clothes, and did something
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: to his chest. That quote hurts like hell. Makes my
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: chest feel like it's going to explode, like something is
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: inside of me. End quote. After that, the beings looked
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: at his arms and wrists, touched his penis, examined the
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: inside of his legs, knees toes, as if they were
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: looking for something, and then they put something into the
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: back of his head like a needle. He said, it
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: felt like a burning pressure, and then they let him go.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: This is when he was ten years old.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: So not only are the scary bug like creatures that
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: are making me feel like I want involvement, but now
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: other pedophiles. Essentially, yeah, not only are they which also
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: make me one involvement.
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: So not only are they sexually assaulting adults, they're also pedophilic.
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: So the hypnotists also asked each of the men under
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: hypnosis if they could remember seeing the beings after the
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: Alligash incident. Charlie remembered what he thought was a dream
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: he had in nineteen eighty nine about the same beings
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: coming into Jack's house when he was staying the night there.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: But Charlie said after seeing them, he just went back
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: to sleep. They were there for Jack, not him. He's like, sorry, friend,
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: this is about you. This is between you and the aliens.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: Chuck never had another experience, however, his wife told him
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: that once in the middle of the night, she got
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: creeped out by a bright light and Chuck sleepily told
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: her to just relax. It's only the aliens no longer.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: A comforting statement. Yeah.
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: Jack continues to have what he thought were dreams about
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: the aliens, which of course turn out to be objections,
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: and they continue to probe and prod him. This time
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: it's done with a rod that he says is made
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: of crystal or maybe water, but hard water. They put
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: it in his eye, his nose, his mouth, and it
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: tastes like when you have tinfoil in your mouth, which
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: is just cringey as fuck, like goose bumps, you know,
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: like likeugh.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: Did by allowed to leave? I have to be here
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: for the rest of this episode. You have to, Oh, okay.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: As soon as soon as you said it in his eye,
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: I was already out and then you added like tinfoil,
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, what is that? What is that? What
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: my eyes? I'm not crying if anyone's watching this, I'm
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: just very distressed.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: He remembers that they took his wife up to the
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: UFO as well. No, he said that when they were
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: taken it was not like they were taken out of
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: the house. They were taken straight up through the roof.
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: And his wife Mary, remember I remember seeing Jack go
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: straight through a door once. So Mary was hypnotized then
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: his wife, but she could never relax enough to find
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: what they told her to forget in her mind, So
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: the hypnotists suggested using the pendulum method.
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: Ah, like a true lady, we have a hard time
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: relaxing our brains sometimes, yeah.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: Which allowed her to talk to her own subconscious. In
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: doing so, she learned that there are things in her
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: mind that she could remember if she tried hard enough.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: She was taken on board a UFO where she and
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: Jack had things done to them for more than three hours,
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: but not more than four, because you can only ask
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: yes or no. So she said, was it more than
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: one hour? Was it more than two?
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: Three?
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: Was it more than four?
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: It's a process to get through, a right through. But
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: I think that's part of why it would benefit working
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: through your subconscious, because something do you have have to evault?
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: Like layer those Why can't I speak? I'm so sorry.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: You all know what I'm trying to say. Yeah, your layers, Yeah,
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: of all of your layers, all your layers.
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: Peel them back one at a time. Her dreams in
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: which she sees deer with really big eyes next to
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: her bed are actually where those memories are hidden. That
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: is what the aliens covered the bad memories with so
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: basically anytime she thinks about being abducted or anytime she
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: is abducted. Instead, they're like, alls you see is a
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: deer in your bedroom. You're dreaming about a deer in
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: your bedroom, which is cute and also creepy. Any further
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: experiences in Jack and Mary's house were pretty heavily hidden away.
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: In Jack's mind, he remembers the aliens visiting him in
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: what he believes were his dreams and basically telling him
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: to stop telling ray what they were doing or else
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: it would cause harm. So he's still having dreams while
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: he's meeting with the ufologists, and the aliens are like,
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: stop fucking talking about us, bro, stop telling the upologist
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: about us.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: Why would they Why would they care about what you're
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: sharing if apparently it will cause harm? If they were friendly,
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like that feels like, oh
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: I don't I but why have so many other people's
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: alien interactions not been this scary?
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: Because they're telling you to just like when they were like,
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: it doesn't hurt, it doesn't hurt. They're telling you we're friendly,
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: we're friendly, and you're believing it. This is another reason
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: why I'm scared I got abducted. Is this why I
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: like aliens because they told me to like them. Like,
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: what the fuck's fine?
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: Should I put Sheldon outside tonight as like an offering?
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: Like an offering? I have listen, they signaled to the
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: UFO and got abducted. Do not do any signaling. Okay,
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: that's true.
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: I was thinking you would be like when you hang
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: like a flag outside, You're like, you flag like a
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: Pride flag. I'm just putting an outside.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm.
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: Okay with you. I'm not comparing people on the lgb
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: q T spectrum to aliens, just to be clear, but
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: you know you're.
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: Also we're not okay with aliens doing this. We just
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: also don't want it done to us.
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, correction, Yeah, I'm willing to sacrifice Sheldon for myself.
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: The blow up doll. As soon as they stick him
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: with something, they're like, why why.
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: You do flag?
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: Where did he go?
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: He doesn't have a penis. I need to make fun
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: because I can't be.
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: All to do because this is the really scary part again, Okay.
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: Jim had many more experiences after the Algash incident, including
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: the dreams that led him to finding Ray Fowler at
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: the UFO Symposium. The aliens followed him everywhere Jim traveled
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: for work, and through hypnosis, he was able to recall
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: them visiting him all over America, Boston, Texas, and even California,
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: always while he was sleeping. His visits weren't really I'm sorry,
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: his encounters weren't really abductions, though they were visits. Quote.
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: I felt something like a small animal walking on my bed.
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: I thought it was a cat. I realized my head
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: was on the bed, but the rest of my body
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: was floating at a forty five degree angle. There was
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: this no ah wah wah wah wah, and Jesus Christ,
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: there was this thing. I got the impression that there
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: was another dimension there, that there was some kind of
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: cut in dimensions, that I was coexisting with this veil
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: type thing. I remember my legs being in the air
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: and it was doing something to my genitals. The thought
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: that went through my mind was it was trying to
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: have intercourse with me. This is absolutely crazy. I can't
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: believe this end quote. So they're fucking raping him? There
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: was He just got alien.
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: They're like the dolphins of the galaxy, but Are they
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: in the ocean.
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: Are they just dolphins or adians?
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: Dolphins are dolphins?
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: Aliens? What is happening?
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: Bad aliens are dolphins? The good aliens are octopied?
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: Is this why I always like dolphins? When I was little,
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: I used to collect dolphins. Oh my god, you know,
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: having a crisp feel, I feel like we're on life.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: Grisis shout out, yeah, right, like quarter life, Grasis.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: I'm stressed out. Not only does my face hurt from laughing,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: but I'm stressed out, like this is the weirdest my
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: body has ever felt.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: This kind of thing happened many times. These were the
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: dreams quote unquote that led Jim to seeking help from
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: first a neurodoctor, then as suggested by a ufologist. After
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: all the visiting, these four victims still deal with this
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: reality every day. Chuck had multiple strangers on his property
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety that couldn't be explained or had terrible
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: excuses for being there, including an unmarked helicopter hovering overhead
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: real men in black type. Jack was there with him
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: for some of these experiences. Chuck has since lost contact
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: with the other three now he didn't interview twenty sixteen.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: In which he said he was lying about it all. However,
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: he and all three men did do a polygraph in
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: nineteen ninety three and pass them. Not that those are
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: super hard to fake, but it would seem hard for
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: all four of them to lie and say the same things.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: Charlie has a lasting pocket like scoop scar on the
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: inside of his thigh. He believes that he was visited
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: again in nineteen ninety five and underwent hypnosis with another ufologist,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: but another story for another day. He now travels and
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: talks on panels at Muffon events. Jack had a weird
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: growth removed from his leg in nineteen eighty one that
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: the doctors couldn't identify and actually sent off for testing
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: at the Air Force, even though Jack had never been
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: in the military, the Air Force doctor said. The Air
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: Force doctor said they were just helping out because the
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: state hospitals were backed up. It's not a big deal.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: Sure, sure.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: He and his wife Mary were also are also hearing
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: humming or buzzing sounds randomly everywhere they go. Hey, guess
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: who else does that? Fucking me?
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: Dude? Maybe it's tonight, is it's yeah? Aliens? Okay, you
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: need to go to a therapist after this, I know,
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: I feel like you need to go talk with them,
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: but I'm scared too. I know, I love you. I'm sorry.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: He and Jim did an interview in twenty fifteen, and
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: Jim also mentioned hearing the hum Both twins still get
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: visits at nights sometimes, but they feel differently about them.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: Jim says he wakes up in the middle of the
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: night he can sometimes feel a malevolent presence.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: Absolutely not.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: He was fucking raped, so I get the malevolous.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: That's malevolence.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: The definition of Jack.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: On the other hand, said quote, last time they visited,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: they showed me our galaxy and said there was this
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: advanced civilization there who get energy from unconditional love. And
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: he touched me, and I felt love, like, is.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: Not unconditional love. It's just like to make this announcement
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: on our ship right now, not unconditional love, this abuser talk.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: And he touched me, and I felt love like you
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: love your wife or you love your mother. But time's
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: a kajillion And he said to me, you're ready, And
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: I said, what am I ready for? And he said,
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: when the time comes, you will know. And then I
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: woke up and I cried, yeah, I wi well when
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: he was saying it, he said he cried happy tears, yeah, Jim.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: Jim is like, I'm being fucking raped and this is terrifying.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: Jack is like, this is awesome.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: They're showing the full twin test experience. They're like, let's
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: see how they react to two different They're just fucking
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: doing a twin study.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: It's so weird. So that's that. That's the Allagash abduction.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: I have to tell you about this picture.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: So I read this whole book cover to cover, like
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: the whole thing. I read all of it all right.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: On this one random page, there's a picture with a
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: little caption here. Okay, then and I circled it and wrote,
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: what because nowhere in this entire book, cover to cover,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: nowhere is the mentioned No. This is a photo of
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: four people standing and one person down here on the ground,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: which I'll show you closer in a second. And it
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: says the Alligash four plus one from left to right
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: in the back, Charlie Foltz, Chuck Rack, and the Wiener Twins.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: Seated man came out of the woods, stayed for a while,
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: left and never gave his name. What what the actual fuck.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: What's happening here?
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: He just came out. He just came out for a photo.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: Is he an alien?
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: Is he from the future, the past? Who the fuck
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: is he?
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: Look it, that's look a lot older than them, one
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: of them in the future. And he's just like blipped
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: back to be like, what's up.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: I don't understand, and it's not.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: They don't talk about this.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: Picture at all in this fucking three hundred and forty
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: seven page book.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: I love there, what.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: I don't I don't know this. This is the Algash Abductions,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: Undeniable Evidence of Alien Intervention by Raymond E. Fowler. And
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: this is a scary book, but it was an adventure.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: For sure, so was this episode. My goodness, send me
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: a picture of that picture as well, with your caption
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: in the bottom, because fuck, that's funny.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: Just like out of all of the horrors that happened
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: throughout this book. And then they're like, oh, yeah, we
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: met this guy.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: This random fucking dude, no one knows his name. He
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: just sat in front of us.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was just like, oh, you guys are taking
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: a photo, okay. Why It's like, you don't want to
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: be rude when you're taking photos, especially when you don't
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: know people, but you want to take photos with like
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: your people too, And this was one of those moments
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: where they are like, well, I guess you're just here.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's fucking nineteen seventy four, so it's not
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: like they have we got limited photos.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: We got a phone, we can take a whole bunch. Yeah,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: oh no, they had that. It was like before the
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: wind and snaps that we had.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they probably asked that guy to take the picture
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: and he was like I got this and like set
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: it up and then was like.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: He like misunderstood right right, tutting it out there, Like
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: what do we say? They don't want to be rude.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: Like the other thing is.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 4: Seated man came out of the woods, I know, stayed
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 4: for a while, left, never gave his name.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: I even underlined that part, like how seated man came
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: out of the woods. What the fuck was he doing
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: in the woods? Where did he go? He did he
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: go back into the woods? What?
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: Oh, maybe he's Boo Boo from the past. You know
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: what that checks out. It's insane for those that have
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: zero idea what I'm talking about. Boo boo is the
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: bush man, And I know that's offensive of a term
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: that's here doesn't like when I use it. That we
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: run into when we've gone camping at Pacific Beach. He
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: always gives us a beer. He always offers us this newspaper.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: He's a very nice man. We didn't see him last year.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: I hope he's okay, But what the fuck?
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what to the fuck?
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: I'm really glad you brought that up at the end
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: as a little palate cleanser, But also I'm so concerned.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be thinking about this man for millennia. Yeah,
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: he was like who was he? Maybe he was that's
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: one of them. Maybe he was like testing them. Maybe
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: he was like is this person cool? Like are they
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: cool enough to have their penises examined with a light? Also, like,
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: no one wants to see that up close? Okay, no one? Yeah.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: So one thing that I probably shouldn't say, because I
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: don't know if this is considered like what's the word
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: where you are lying about somebody? Oh yeah, something with
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: an oil or something. Yeah, anyway, I.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: Know what you're trying to say, and I can't get
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: it off my mouth. Yeah.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: So, so, Chuck Rack, is I Okay. You know, he
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: says that he he made it all up. It's like
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: this never happened.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: I made it all up.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: And the other guys were like, well, he you know,
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: this happened all this time, and when the time came,
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: he wanted a book deal or something and they were like, no,
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: we're not making money off of this. He's like, fine,
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: that I'm gonna tell them all was fake. And so
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: they're not friends anymore because he did that. He told
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: them all. He told everyone, oh, I just made it up.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: It's not real. But like it's kind of hard to
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: make that up. But anyway, it doesn't matter. That was
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen and it happened in seventy six so
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: like he decided, yeah, that much later that he was
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: going to say it was fake anyway.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: The author called him, Does him take your trauma away? Sir?
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah? The author called him macho man. I'm thinking maybe
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: he just exaggerated some of the things, because when he
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: started talking about his penis stuff, it seemed like.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: He was much more aggressive.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well he was, like they looked at it closer,
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: they just shined more light on it, like it oh, all.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: Right, I didn't say that I'll take that.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: But yeah, he just I just seemed to be like, yeah,
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: they really wanted to my penis.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I genuine fear is felt though for sure
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: in all of this, like, oh, yeah, I'm stressed.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: It's stressful. You have something happy to share to Uh,
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: be done with that stress.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: You said that right as I took the last wig
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: of my wine, and then I tried not to laugh.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: My something happy is I had mentioned to Sandy that
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: I was going to go to his beach to Sandy
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: show and that we should try and get lunch or something,
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: and he they comped our tickets, which is nice. And
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: now I've got two shows comped back to back. But
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: I'm sad because you aren't coming. Yeah, you gotta come
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: to Vancouver, come to Seattle in Nova in October.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: Okay, doubtful, but who knows.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: Well. You keep me posted even if at the last
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: minute you're like, yes, I'm gonna come visit you. Kevin
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: gets the boot. But yeah, so I'm super excited about that.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: That was very sweet of him to offer that. Hopefully
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: that means I get to have lunch with both of them,
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: that would be cool. Yeah. If not, you know, we
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: love Sandy. He is really enjoying New York. He says hello,
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: and he wishes you well in your move nice and
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: he says, you know, so that's can be stressful and
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: we definitely need to do something creatively soon. And I
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: was like, absolutely, So that's my message in Sandy Slash
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: exciting news. Very excited to go see Beach to Sandy Live.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: I love their show. They are my palate cleanser besides
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: Tennis and Live laf larceny, Like, you know, we got
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: we got some good palette cleansers in our books. Passages
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: also great. You can't listen to that at work. Definitely
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: not safe, mostly just because you know, you try and
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: put an earbuton and you're discreet about it, and then
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: Robbie screams at something that's like, why is your head exploding?
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: So because Robert Pattinson Pillow is working overtime for sure, Yeah,
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: but yeah, So I'm very excited about that. I feel
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: very you know, it's cool when you work in this
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: industry for so long and you've collaborated with so many
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: people and it's like little winds, you know, if you
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: look at their schedules, something that's close to you did
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: none of it is none. Look at the where else
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: they were going on.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: The stiest thing to me is Tampa and that's five
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: hours away.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: Well, Seattle's four hours for me.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's also on a weekend that I have
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: to take Sissy to her fucking dad, which is three
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: hours direction.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: It's on a Wednesday, so I'm definitely gonna have to
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: take that day off of work. But I'm excited either way.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I was super excited thinking maybe they would
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: go to Cincinnati or Atlanta, those things I can go to.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: I have a reason to go to Cincinnati. Atlanta's not
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: that far.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: Well, you couldn't go to And that's why we bring
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: it to Cincinnati because it was so close from when
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: we were.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: It was like the day after something. It's like, I
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: can't get there.
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: You can't get there that fast. You should have gone
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: to the New Orleans one. That would have been a
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: good one. Yeah, especially given the topic. But anyways, that's
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: offer will still stand for life. That's that's the cool part. Yeah,
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: so uh, very honored to have some cool peeps is
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: my moral. And then the other thing that I'm really
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: excited about is that I am like twenty pages away
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: from finishing a Court of Silver Flames, so you will
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: have to come over to Bitch and Wine on Patreon
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: to tell me, no, to let me tell you about that.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: And also I started fourth wainging and see herus like
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: shitting her pants every five minutes about it.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: Speaking of everything you just said, did you listen to
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: today yesterday's episode of Beach to Sandy No, when they
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: were talking about reading a guitar and Fourth Wing.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: No, do they both read them? Oh?
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: Well, well they both read A Cord of Thorns and Roses.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: Christine gave up immediately. Oh okay, she said she didn't
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: like it. She's not reading anymore.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: Oh, World Building is a hard book.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: Okay, then I mean the first one. The first one
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: isn't amazing anyway. I tell people that all the time,
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: you have to read the second one. Zandy's reading the
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: second one. Yes, he says it's better, which duh. Okay.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: Christine read Fourth Wing said she didn't like it very much,
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: which gross. Okay, I'm disappointed. I can't wait for Sandy
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: to read it. But she's now reading A Throne of
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: Glass and loving that, which I also love Thrown of Glass.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: So I feel like we have a lot to talk about.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, should we just have the sheer sibs on for
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: book talk?
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: We might have to.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: After you.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: Fourth Wing. Zandy needs to read Fourth Wing and we
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: can all have a fourth Conversation club conversation.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: There you go about fourth thing all day long, so
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: I know you can.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry that I literally got out of the shower
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: last night and I passed the fuck out like I
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: was done. I like had wet hair and a towel
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: on top of my head and half like dressed, half
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: blankets on, and Kevin's like, oh goodness, so my hair
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: looks greasy as fuck for somebody that watched it yesterday
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: because I fell asleep with wet hair in a towel.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: It happens.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: What is your something happy?
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: Well, something happy is finally it's more something interesting that
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  Speaker 2: I've just been wanting to tell you that I found
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  Speaker 2: out about because I was researching this. Okay, so it's
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  Speaker 2: arted is something happy before I read this book, when
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  Speaker 2: I was just getting ready to read this book by
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  Speaker 2: something happy? Was that the I literally, okay, let me
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  Speaker 2: just say that, Zandy, if you're listening, I am not.
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  Speaker 2: This is not a dig at you but it's also
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  Speaker 2: a little bit a dig at you. Okay. They like
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  Speaker 2: to make fun of people. They like to make fun
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  Speaker 2: of people who call themselves empaths, which, on the one hand,
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  Speaker 2: I get it, everybody should be empathetic. However, I literally
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  Speaker 2: think that I am an EmPATH, okay, because I have more.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not saying I'm better than you because I have
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  Speaker 2: more empathy than you. I just I can't control the
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  Speaker 2: amount of empathy I have. Okay. So the reason I
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  Speaker 2: say this is I was at my house the other night,
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  Speaker 2: my new house. It was, you know, out in the sticks, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: it's nighttime. I walked outside and looked up and literally
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  Speaker 2: started crying because I could see the stars so fucking
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  Speaker 2: bright that it just made me happy, Okay, I was
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  Speaker 2: just so it was like, oh my God, Like I
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  Speaker 2: can actually see constellations and stuff. There's no light pollution
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  Speaker 2: out there, Like it's yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That's beautiful. Maybe three times in my life, and it's oppressed.
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  Speaker 2: It's so great. And I was super excited because I
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  Speaker 2: found this new app. It's called Enigma.
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  Speaker 1: No, well, I have heard of it, but I'm not.
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  Speaker 1: I don't have it.
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  Speaker 2: The app Enigma is for people who have seen UFOs.
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  Speaker 2: It is for sightings and alerts. You type in your
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  Speaker 2: location of where you saw it, and you can even
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  Speaker 2: put a video if you want, and you can put
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  Speaker 2: a description of your sighting and blah blah blah, you
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  Speaker 2: can record, you.
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  Speaker 1: Can like that.
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  Speaker 2: It's super cool, okay, and there are sightings around here.
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  Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, I can see UFOs and stuff.
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  Speaker 2: And then I read this book and I was like,
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  Speaker 2: not cool, not.
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  Speaker 1: Go so cool and not I need a Manda to
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  Speaker 1: listen to this episode and tell us what she thinks. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if she'll be pro probing after this.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think she will ever utter those words again. Right, Well,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna download it. Well I want to download a enigma,
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  Speaker 1: but now I'm afraid to.
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  Speaker 2: There was a video about other sightings.
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  Speaker 1: There was a video about something that happened in Vancouver
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  Speaker 1: the other day and it.
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  Speaker 2: Was like blue shit ton of sightings in Vancouver.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they happen all the time. But also a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people miss like on cloudy, gross foggy days,
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  Speaker 1: people misinterpret the lights around Roger's Arena that flash for
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  Speaker 1: the Vancouver Canucks, the blue and Green as being like aliens,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm like, no, you're not asked. Those are your
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  Speaker 1: hockey colors, and that's what's flashing around the stadium right now. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but no, we do get a lot of sightings here
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  Speaker 1: as I've had shit like me and Kevin, like two
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  Speaker 1: weeks after we moved in here, we saw weird lights
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  Speaker 1: off our balcony and we like tried to follow it
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  Speaker 1: around the building and then by the time we got
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  Speaker 1: outside and to the front of the building, we couldn't
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  Speaker 1: see it anymore. But it was weird. So that's like,
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  Speaker 1: that's how aliens like to operate, just like a quick
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  Speaker 1: little flash that they're gone.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's I mean there, there's so many fucking exciting
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  Speaker 2: I just feel like there's so much too. I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: read about, learn about, see about.
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  Speaker 1: Well, hopefully it's not the end of the world. So
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  Speaker 1: let us know what your guys, series are your thoughts? Uh,
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  Speaker 1: do you still love the aliens? Are dolphins? That aliens?
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  Speaker 1: All our octopus is good aliens? Let me hear what
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  Speaker 1: you have to say. I'm so stressed out right now
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  Speaker 1: that I literally have not made sense. It's an entire episode. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: So recording Urban Legend possibly after This will be exciting,
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