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S5E When the Axeman Comes- A New Orleans Nightmare · True Crime and Wine Time

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  Speaker 1: Hmmm, hello, why how are you.
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  Speaker 2: I'm good, I'm here, I'm back. I didn't fall off
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  Speaker 2: the boat. I wasn't pushed off the boat. I wasn't
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  Speaker 2: arrested for pushing anybody off of the boat. Wow, because I'm.
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  Speaker 3: Glad for that. But I missed you last week, and
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  Speaker 3: I need to know.
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  Speaker 2: It was awesome. It was awesome. I you know that
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  Speaker 2: those kind of things. I feel like anybody could find
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  Speaker 2: anything to complain about. But I really didn't have anything.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you have to understand kind of the audience,
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  Speaker 2: and then you have to understand how much they're doing
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  Speaker 2: for a group of people that are stuck on a ship, right,
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  Speaker 2: and uh, but I I had a good time. I've
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  Speaker 2: got a couple of stories. One I beat a bunch
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  Speaker 2: of families by myself, and I won a trivia trophy.
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  Speaker 2: So there you go, there's your it's called a ship
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  Speaker 2: on a stick. And uh, I won this for animated
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  Speaker 2: movies because that's where my knowledge is. I feel like
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  Speaker 2: I was sorry. I was just trying to like impress
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  Speaker 2: Captain with my my random animated movie trivia knowledge. Uh.
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  Speaker 2: And then so a couple of things. This is this
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  Speaker 2: is the fun one. So missus Bruce Crime and I
• 1:44
  Speaker 2: both work in canines in one way, shape or form
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  Speaker 2: right nonprofit with canines. Me with therapy dogs or with
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  Speaker 2: shelter dogs. And so we you know, we spent a
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  Speaker 2: couple of days on the ship. The first stop that
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  Speaker 2: we had was was Oh my gosh, I'm blanking. He
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  Speaker 2: killed Grand right, Yeah, I drank a lot was Grand
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  Speaker 2: Turk and and and we had a great time. You know.
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  Speaker 2: We got off the ship, we had our bags, we
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  Speaker 2: hung out, we did some a little bit of shopping,
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  Speaker 2: not as much as we did at Amber Cove, and
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  Speaker 2: then we were getting we packed up. We were on
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  Speaker 2: our way back to the ship and we got pulled
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  Speaker 2: to the side randomly with like ten other random with
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  Speaker 2: ten other people to have a canine sniff our stuff.
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  Speaker 3: And that's fine.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I was wearing this hat obviously I'm a drug dealer.
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  Speaker 2: Actually maybe it was, I don't know. So so we
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  Speaker 2: get pulled over the side and I'm taking a look,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm I'm you know, we got this guy who's
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  Speaker 2: like five ft three, God bless him, mister Napoleon, and
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  Speaker 2: then a much taller woman both running the canines. So
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  Speaker 2: we put our bags on the other side of the rope,
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  Speaker 2: and I see these two canines and I don't I
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  Speaker 2: don't pretend to know everything about canines, but I knew
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  Speaker 2: these dogs were young. One of them was trying to
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  Speaker 2: get the leash unlooped from the front of the fender
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  Speaker 2: of the car that they drive. Yeah, so a very
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  Speaker 2: young dog. And so anyways, the dog goes down, does
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  Speaker 2: its job and then comes to my bag. It just
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  Speaker 2: kind of nuzzles it a little bit, just kind of
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  Speaker 2: pushing it over. Well, that bag's been at work, that
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  Speaker 2: bag's been in various places. I had ginger chews in
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  Speaker 2: that bag, and so he kind of pushes it and
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  Speaker 2: I was like, well, he didn't indicate, because indicating is
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  Speaker 2: sitting right. He went on and I said, cool, We're good.
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  Speaker 2: And then as we're leaving the line, the female security
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  Speaker 2: officer says, all right, come on, step on over here.
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  Speaker 2: I don't so we step over to the side and
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  Speaker 2: I I know that in the line of work dogs
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  Speaker 2: you cannot say the dog is wrong. That hurts the
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  Speaker 2: ego of the security guy. So I'm like trying to
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  Speaker 2: like diagnose like psychology and figure out how to communicate.
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  Speaker 2: And he goes and this is the classic right, he
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  Speaker 2: goes listen, the dog indicated that something's in the bag.
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  Speaker 2: If you have something in the bag and you get
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  Speaker 2: rid of it, now not a problem. If you do
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  Speaker 2: take it on the ship, then it becomes a problem.
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  Speaker 2: I've heard this a million times on contraband, you know
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  Speaker 2: the TV show. I don't have anything, I literally have
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  Speaker 2: nothing whatsoever. Talking well, maybe, but I like the was not.
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't gonna give hi an excuse. I was gonna
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  Speaker 2: just literally perform the task of opening my bag and
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  Speaker 2: taking things out. And I said, sir, what I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: do is I'm just gonna own my bag I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: pull things out, and you tell me if there's anything
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  Speaker 2: that might have caused the dog to do, you know, indicate.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm pulling things out and he's looking at me,
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  Speaker 2: and he, of course has to have all the confidence
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  Speaker 2: in his dog, because that's what they have to do.
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  Speaker 2: You can't you can't have the dog seem like it
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  Speaker 2: did the wrong thing. And I get it. I get it,
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  Speaker 2: and probably he's dealing with a bunch of people anyway.
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  Speaker 2: So so I pull everything out and there was one
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  Speaker 2: last thing in my bag, and he was like, what's that?
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  Speaker 2: And the female security guard came up, or or Customs
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  Speaker 2: Border patrol, whoever it was official, and like I started
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  Speaker 2: pulling it out and it's literally a pack of card
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  Speaker 2: in cell a fane wrap because it hadn't even been opened.
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  Speaker 2: And the woman looked at the guy and was like,
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  Speaker 2: it's a deck of playing cards, which is so funny. Anyways,
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  Speaker 2: we ended up getting on and getting out of that situation,
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  Speaker 2: and he's still they still wanted to scan and take
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  Speaker 2: pictures of our IDs and stuff, which is whatever, probably
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  Speaker 2: just to prove that they look through somebody's right. But
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  Speaker 2: when those situations happen, you go through all stages of grief, right,
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  Speaker 2: you're like, oh oh my gosh, sad and angry, and
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  Speaker 2: then you start making jokes and it's so funny how
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  Speaker 2: that happens. So that was one of my stories.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I just want to know, did you have anything hidden?
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  Speaker 2: No?
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  Speaker 3: No, no, you were actually against citizen?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean listen, I had like my
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  Speaker 2: swim trunks and stuff and in the waterproof pocket, which
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  Speaker 2: is not actually waterproof. We all know this, but it
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  Speaker 2: was there. Like I don't know what he smelled, but
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  Speaker 2: as far as I know, generally indication indicating is sitting down.
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  Speaker 2: That dog did not sit. That dog continued on. But
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  Speaker 2: I just find it really, really really funny that that
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  Speaker 2: dog decided to mess with two dog people. That's all
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  Speaker 2: I'm saying. That it's the hat I get it. Listen,
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  Speaker 2: I got this with the approval of Missus Bruce Crime.
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  Speaker 2: So it's got to at least be passable. And okay,
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  Speaker 2: you did good. Uh so the very last thing and
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  Speaker 2: I told you this a couple of nights ago, but
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  Speaker 2: you know, the last night of the the last full
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  Speaker 2: day of the cruise is the last full day you
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  Speaker 2: get like the drink package. And so where where Missus
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  Speaker 2: Bruce Crime and I are like, Okay, we're just gonna
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  Speaker 2: kind of take our time. We're not gonna go crazy.
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  Speaker 2: We want to get off the ship the next day
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  Speaker 2: and not miss the time frame. Other people are very
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  Speaker 2: much not like that, and they're like, we're gonna get
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  Speaker 2: all fifteen drinks today for the day. And there ended
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  Speaker 2: up being a show that was called What's Age Got
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  Speaker 2: to Do with It? And that was basically kids Say
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  Speaker 2: the darnedest things. It's kids and their parents on stage,
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  Speaker 2: and during this time, some random people on the second
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  Speaker 2: floor of the Liquid Lounge, which is where this is going,
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  Speaker 2: started fighting. They started having a fight, and there was
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  Speaker 2: a very very what's the word I'm looking for. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know. She was just that person who wanted to
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  Speaker 2: continuously come back, right. It wasn't enough just to make
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  Speaker 2: a comment and leave. They had to keep coming back.
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  Speaker 2: So there was that, and that wasn't like the bad thing.
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  Speaker 2: The thing that happened was up apparently near the buffet,
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  Speaker 2: and at the buffet, apparently there was a fight in
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  Speaker 2: which I said this on Monday to you, like, the
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  Speaker 2: guy just had to wait twenty seconds and more would
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  Speaker 2: have come out. I don't know what the fight was over,
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  Speaker 2: but there was a fight. And of course to write
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  Speaker 2: an incident report, you've got to take their IDs and
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  Speaker 2: their names and things like that. Well, when they ran
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  Speaker 2: one of the guy's IDs, it came across as he
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  Speaker 2: has a warrant out of Houston, Houston, Texas, and so
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  Speaker 2: he went to the brig. I assume he went to
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  Speaker 2: the brig. I don't know the full story, but we
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  Speaker 2: were delayed in debarking our debarkation process by an hour
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  Speaker 2: because when we pulled up to Port Norfolk, police were
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  Speaker 2: there to meet the people on board to then arrest
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  Speaker 2: this person on the warrant.
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  Speaker 3: So what was the warrant because I'm assuming it wasn't
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  Speaker 3: just an everyday warrant.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and that's my argument, right, like, not all of
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  Speaker 2: that would have happened for something. There are groups that
• 9:02
  Speaker 2: everybody joins on Facebook, you know, if you're on the
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  Speaker 2: same cruise or things like that. And this person's mother
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  Speaker 2: commented and said, I'm glad, I'm glad my son could
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  Speaker 2: have been of entertainment to you. All he was he
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  Speaker 2: was arrested by Norfolk police on a traffic warrant. And
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  Speaker 2: all I could think of was they don't do all
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  Speaker 2: that for running a red light. So I don't know
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  Speaker 2: what he was traffic king, But it wasn't like a
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  Speaker 2: simple traffic warrant.
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  Speaker 3: Now unless but the cruise line gets paid for catching
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  Speaker 3: people with the warrant and they get money.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's funny we had been talking or you
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  Speaker 3: let them on the cruise, right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well yes, and no, I guess it kind of
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  Speaker 2: depends really when they scan when when you get on
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  Speaker 2: the ship, they are checking your passport, so you would
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  Speaker 2: have thought they would have picked something up, but they're
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  Speaker 2: just checking it. They're not like run it, right. And
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  Speaker 2: then when you're getting off and on the boat, they're
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  Speaker 2: just scanning your your like your cruise ID, and you
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  Speaker 2: do have to have an ID with you to prove
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  Speaker 2: that that's your ID, but they're not really running it. Again,
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  Speaker 2: they don't. They didn't run it until there was an issue.
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  Speaker 3: So maybe they don't care that you're leaving the US.
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  Speaker 3: They only care if you try to come back.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, But but then again, then again, they wouldn't have
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  Speaker 2: run his passport or his ID by border. I don't think,
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  Speaker 2: not for that, they would have just checked it to
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  Speaker 2: make sure it matched and said welcome back. So I
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  Speaker 2: think the only reason was because he was in this conflict.
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  Speaker 2: It was wild to me. I did find out though
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  Speaker 2: that whether that if I was within that twelve nautical miles,
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  Speaker 2: I would have obviously been prosecuted in the US if
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  Speaker 2: something happened outside of that. That Carnival cruise ship, Carnival Sunshine,
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  Speaker 2: actually he flies under the Bahamas flag, so they don't.
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  Speaker 2: They don't fly under UK or US, they fly under
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  Speaker 2: the Bahamian. I think it's behavian flag, so I would
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  Speaker 2: have been prosecuted in the Bahamas, to which I could
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  Speaker 2: only be but so angry.
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  Speaker 3: So well, I'm glad you had a good time.
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  Speaker 2: I did. It was decent. I was a little surprised
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  Speaker 2: at how much there was to do on the ship
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  Speaker 2: the whole time. It's amazing what they what they put
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  Speaker 2: together and plan. And I got to meet the and
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  Speaker 2: hang out with some with the entertainment that were on board.
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  Speaker 2: They were lovely. And then I hung out in the
• 11:39
  Speaker 2: art gallery that was on board and talked to and
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  Speaker 2: hung out with the art gallery folks. Of no surprise
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  Speaker 2: to anybody, so it was. It was a lot of fun.
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  Speaker 2: We had a good time. I'd take my kids, probably
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  Speaker 2: they'd be too busy doing other things. We wouldn't have
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  Speaker 2: to worry about them.
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  Speaker 3: You wouldn't have to. We did a carnival when the
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  Speaker 3: boys were younger for spring break, and they had carnival
• 12:01
  Speaker 3: and it was wonderful because this was before GPS, but
• 12:04
  Speaker 3: we had those little things, so we knew where they
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  Speaker 3: were all the time. And I'll never forget. We went
• 12:09
  Speaker 3: by and they were having some kind of Sunday building
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  Speaker 3: contest and my youngest had ice cream stacked up this
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  Speaker 3: high and I.
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  Speaker 2: Was like, dude, they had ice cream on either side
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  Speaker 2: that was open when the buffet was open. And then
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  Speaker 2: they also happened eleven thirty to two am buffet and
• 12:25
  Speaker 2: holy crap. I was like, this is brilliant for the
• 12:28
  Speaker 2: drunk people, and it is. They know what they're doing.
• 12:31
  Speaker 2: And people will complain about Carnival, and I get it.
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  Speaker 2: There's certain things that are worthy of complaining about, but
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  Speaker 2: not when I was on my cruise and my little
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  Speaker 2: like half, you know, yeah, right, I would. I think
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  Speaker 2: I would witness true crime on the cruise. You're right.
• 12:48
  Speaker 2: I keep my eye out for that stuff just for
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  Speaker 2: you all. But yeah, I don't know. It was just
• 12:53
  Speaker 2: a good time. It was a good time. You know.
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  Speaker 2: We booked this two years ago, so it was nice
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  Speaker 2: to finally kind of follow through with it, and we'd
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  Speaker 2: do it again for sure.
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  Speaker 3: I loved to occurs, and I love that they have
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  Speaker 3: so many things to do because they have so many
• 13:06
  Speaker 3: dicent personalities, so many different likes. There is literally something
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  Speaker 3: for everyone.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, you know, and like it's interesting because you're coming
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  Speaker 2: out of Virginia and talking to one of the one
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  Speaker 2: of the actors' dancers, you know, he God bless him.
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  Speaker 2: He saw my shirt of course the first night my
• 13:25
  Speaker 2: shirt red free. Dad hugs right with like all the
• 13:28
  Speaker 2: flags and stuff and everything on it because it's me,
• 13:32
  Speaker 2: and he remembered it for the last night when I
• 13:34
  Speaker 2: had when we had like a little VIP meet and
• 13:37
  Speaker 2: greet with them, and but he was like, I had
• 13:39
  Speaker 2: no idea what to expect coming out of Virginia. And
• 13:41
  Speaker 2: I was like, don't worry. Neither did I. But it
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  Speaker 2: seems like everybody just kind of put everything on hold.
• 13:47
  Speaker 3: They do.
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  Speaker 2: We were a culture unto ourselves, and I really hope
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  Speaker 2: that folks that just don't think about that are very ethnocentric.
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  Speaker 2: I hope they thought about different cultures because they're South African,
• 13:59
  Speaker 2: there's Indonesia, and there's a Filipino. There's all there. There
• 14:03
  Speaker 2: are like forty different nationalities on that ship, and so
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  Speaker 2: I really hope that they took some time to think
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  Speaker 2: about that and reflect on it. And for all I know,
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  Speaker 2: the game off the ship and they threw it away.
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  Speaker 2: But at least it seems like it is an ecosystem
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  Speaker 2: in which you could learn to, you know, get along
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  Speaker 2: with other people.
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  Speaker 3: So well, I'm glad you've had fun. But I'm glad
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  Speaker 3: you're back, and I'm glad we're here tonight. And yes,
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  Speaker 3: I want to know what you're drinking.
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: What what am I drinking? Well before I'm drinking, before
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: I say that, can I just you know, we just
• 14:42
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• 14:45
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• 14:53
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• 15:01
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• 15:06
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• 15:08
  Speaker 3: All right, So you did so good. I was going
• 15:11
  Speaker 3: to just do it at the end of the show
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: because I was just thinking, that's what we did last
• 15:14
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• 15:21
  Speaker 2: Yes, so my wine. I had a really hard time,
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: was really looking for something, but I was pressed for
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: time because I was getting ready to go on a boat.
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: But I was like, well I'll go to you know,
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: I was saving it just in case I needed a fallback.
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: But I ended up going with nineteen Crimes. They're red
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: blend and it's really good. It's called nineteen Crimes Red
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: Blends Southeastern Australia red Wine. It's supposed to be bold
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: and balanced. There is oakness, there is oakiness, and there
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: are it is. I mean, I think it's what it says.
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: You know, it's what it says. It's very good.
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  Speaker 3: It is so good.
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  Speaker 2: That's my recommendation. Now, do you want to talk about
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: what you're drinking or do you want me to talk
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: about kind of my interest In this case.
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: I can tell you what I'm drinking since I'm sipping
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: on it and I am not having wine, So everybody
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: just grab your pearls. I decided, since we were doing
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: a New Orleans theme and since it's awesome Mardi Gras,
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  Speaker 3: that I am actually having a Pat O'Brien Hurricane cocktail,
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: and the recipe is straight from the Pat O'Brien's bar website,
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  Speaker 3: and what I love it says. The recipe says that
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: one sip and you will be transported to the big
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  Speaker 3: Easies infamous Bourbon Street Piano lounge, and guys, I'm here
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  Speaker 3: for it. And that's why I even have my little
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  Speaker 3: beads on. I might tell you how I got the beats,
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  Speaker 3: but I have my beads on.
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  Speaker 2: She made me take my shirt off. That's how.
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  Speaker 3: Case.
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  Speaker 2: Well. First off, like when we started picking our cases,
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  Speaker 2: we were each presenting one, and so this was something
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  Speaker 2: that's always interested me. I got I was made aware
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  Speaker 2: of it when I started watching American Horror story and
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: the Coven episode or season came up, and so I
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  Speaker 2: was kind of taken to that world. But my fascination
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: with the axe men is it's a bit like my
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: love for a good old fashioned family feud. It's messy,
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: intriguing and utterly captivating. And I mean, who isn't drawn
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: to a serial killer who terrorized the city leaving a
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: trail of blood and confusion. In this way, it's just
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: kind of something that we It's just part of it, right.
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  Speaker 2: It's like the ultimate New Orleans party crasher, minus the
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: jazz and a lot of axe wieldy. His mo was unique,
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: it was terrifying. I won't say too too much about
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: it because I know you're going to go into that.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, let's just say that when he went to
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: somebody's house, he wasn't there to deliver Beignet's, which I
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: have still yet to have, and I've heard there good
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: I suppose.
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: My god, I'm so yummy.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: So like, I think one of my one of my
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: not favorite but most interesting parts is that this guy
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: had dramatic flare and he should have been a Marty
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: garfloat designer, truly, like he he knew what was up
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: and and and what gets me really is the absurdity
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: of it all. The acts Man's victims were mostly Italian grocers,
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: which led to some pretty wild accusations. And it was
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: like dark comedy minus the comedy plus a lot of
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: axe murders. So where else can you find a serial
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: killer who's part boogeyman, park local legend and all around fascinating.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: It's kind of like the city's own twisted fairy tale
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: minus the happily ever after plus a lot of acts
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: related trauma. And that's by and large why I picked it.
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, and I told you this after you presented
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: this case to us, I mean I became intrigued, Okay.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: I truly thought the axe men story was a folk
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: tell made up by your parents to tell your children
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: so that they would behave So to find out that
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: it's real was really disturbing to me because I truly
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: thought it was bullshit. So when I started looking into it,
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh wow, Because I mean, I love
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: ne Leans, I love the culture. I love Cajun food.
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: In fact, I just had Cajun food this week when
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: Jeffa was in town. But I also love voodoo, and
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: I love that all of that culture comes together. And
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: now I can add axe murderer.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: To it, right, And Captain says, and he was an
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: American horror story played by Leland Palmer from Twin Peaks,
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: which is iconic, and that is very true.
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: That is true. But I will say I'm glad this
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: has in the nineteen hundreds and that it wasn't recent.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: And I'm also going to say I'm gonna still pretend
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: it's all just fake news and enjoy my very strong hurricane.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: I think right before we kind of really hop into
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: the case, I want to say thanks to Lady and
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: Gray for her research and her writing on this wonderful job.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: So credit where credit is due, we think that's very
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: important to do. So thank you very much, Lady and
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: Gray for your hard work on this. So let's let's
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: briefly touch us a little bit about some general context
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: about New Orleans. So the nineteen eleven African Americans, we're
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: trying to figure out kind of kind of the Big
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: Easy Origin theory in terms of where that nickname came from.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: And so the nineteen eleven African American dance club, the
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: Big Easy Haul in Gretna, LA. As you can see here,
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: that was where legendary Cornett player Buddy Bolden performed, solidifying
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: the region as an emerging jazz music city. And so
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: that is something that we that's something that they think
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: is kind of what it what it came from. They
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: also tend to think that it came from the prohibition restrictions,
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: which were easy, right, and they were held by local
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: law enforcement. Between nineteen twenty and nineteen thirty three. New
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: Orleans continued to display active social and nightlife. During this time,
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: they enjoyed everything from bathtub gins to the finest wine,
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: so you name it, they had it. It was an
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: easy ProAb. Help. Look look at those look at those
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: fancy fancy fellas. Sorry, guys, this is what it's become.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: You worked real hard and this is this is it right?
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: Here is what you get.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: I know what it looked great, what I said, you
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: look great, you would sit in You're just a modern
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: day version.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: I'll take it, I think, as long as they were
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: good people. And then finally, there's no women in the picture. No, no,
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: This was the nineteen twenties, which really not that long ago.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: Also not an excuse, just context. So New Yorkers were
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: super busy running around in the Big Apple, but in
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: New Orleans it was a laid back lifestyle that that rained,
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: and as a result, the Big Easy was born. So
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: there's a couple there's a couple explanations for kind of
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: how that came across. I'm sure some of you have
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: heard different ones, and if you have some, you're more
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: than welcome to send them to us or put them
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: down in the comments. We would love to read them.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: I'm going to pass this along though, because the EMA
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: is important.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: It is. But I have to say, used to have
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: a joke because in Texas you had to be twenty
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: one to drink, but you could just drive across the
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: border into Louisiana to get alcohol at eighteen. So our
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: joke was, hey, the Big Easy. The reason they're the
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: Big Easy is because it's easy to get a drink.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: Were young not.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Because all the people who went over there were easy.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: No, I wasn't easy. I was just cheap. Okay, now
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: we'll get onto it.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: You'd think we scripted that one. That was not so.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: As you said earlier, this killer primarily seen to target
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: Italian or Sicilian immigrants or grocery store owners. So even
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: Joseph Romano who was killed at his home, his nieces
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: ran a small grocery store out of the front room
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: of the house. They didn't have grocery stores like H. B. Kroger's,
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: Alberts and Vaughan's. They had a little corner, you know,
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: kind of like before bodega. But what was crazy about
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: this killer is that he would remove the back door
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: panel using a chisel to gain access into the homes.
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: Look at that. He would break that off, and that's
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: just crazy. Now, he was known to attack victims with
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: a straight razor or axes that were owned by the victims. Now,
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: I'm going to just tell you in modern daytime, I
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: hear it all the time on shows. Well, you know
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: what was planned, because nobody goes to a house to
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: commit murder and doesn't come with the weapon. Guess what
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: people this guy did. So he went without a weapon. Now,
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: the killer stold nothing. There's some back and forth on this,
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: but he really didn't steal anything, and so law enforcement
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: they wanted to say that robbery wasn't the motive.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Right, And like I want to say, I don't know
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: what his deal was with grocery stores. I don't know
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: if somebody told him to stop squeezing the sharman and
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: he didn't like it. But he really had a target
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: for this. And I do think I know who the
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: killer was. I think I think it was Tim the
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: Toolman Taylor with a Binford George Scraper with al Borlin
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: who felt bad enough with the homicide, and when Tim
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: asked should we take something, he responded, well, I don't
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: know about that, Tim, So I'm gonna go with Tim.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: That was a really long journey to get to a
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: really shitty joke. So here we are.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: Tim the tool Man Taylor is the reason I was
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: scared to have another child, because I did not want
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: to have three boys like they did. I was scared
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: to death I would get a third one.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: You know, I recently started rewatching that to completely go
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: off on tangent and and you know I'm watching it
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: with the kids, and they think it's funny. And of
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: course I'm picking up on things that would not play
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: well now there's a lot of that. His wife always
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: comes out on top, which is great, so because.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: She likes to be in that position. Anyway, I just
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: so one research.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: I did it.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: But one research or an author you know, wrote about
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: the ax Man but believes that the axe Man actually
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: was the same person as the cleaver who started attacks
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: back in nineteen ten. Okay, but there's no conclusive evidence,
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: and some people said maybe it was a copycat.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it definitely could be. I guess it
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: depends on whether or not that person was paying attention
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: to the nineteen ten media because although media wasn't widespread international,
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: et cetera as much as it is now, Like, they
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: still talked about this stuff in detail in the papers,
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: so you know, they really would have had to be
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: in that area at that time and then have a
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: cooling off period. So I don't know, I don't know.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: I mean, we don't know since we don't know who
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: it is.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: Right, because we don't know who it is, you're not
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: going to find about their life in this this script.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: But we are gonna we are going to talk about
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: the victims canonically in terms of what happened and so on.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: May twenty third, nineteen eighteen, we're going to focus on
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: Joseph and Catherine Maggio. Joseph was an Italian grocer. He
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: and his wife Catherine were attacked in their apartment while
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: they slept. Joseph had his throat cut. He was struck
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: in the head and face with an axe, possibly to
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: conceal the cause of death. Joseph initially had survived the attack,
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: but he died minutes after being discovered by his brothers,
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: Jacob Salvador and Andrew. Now. Catherine Maggio had her throat
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: cut and was struck in the head and face with
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: the axe, again possibly to conceal the cause of death.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Catherine's cut was so deep that she was nearly decapitated.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: She appeared to good timing on that trigger. She appeared
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: to have died quickly. A message was left on the pavement,
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: missus Maggio will sit up tonight, just like missus Tony. Now.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: This was theorized to refer to Italian greengrocers Anthony and
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: Joanna Siambra, who probably Sciambre. But you want to say.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: Something, no I'm just trying to think of how you
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: would say that Schiambra.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: I think it's Schiambra. But they were attacked in nineteen eleven.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: Now Missus Chyambre died in that attack. More is gonna
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: be discussed about that case a little bit later in
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: term back to the Maggio's bloody clothes were found in
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: the apartment, which actually led enforcement to believe the killer
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: changed into clean clothes before fleeing. Interesting, a complete search
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: of the premises was not performed after the bodies were removed,
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: which could be caused by inept law enforcement. That's possible.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, we also have to realize this was the
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: time period when when something happened like this, the entire
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: community like went through the crime zye. They just were like,
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: this looks interesting. Let's walk by as if it was
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: like a college tour. You know, on this side you
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: find missus Ciambra, and on this side you find more
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: of missus Chiambra. So you know, you know what I'm saying, right, So,
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: there was a bloodstained razor that was found later on
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: a neighbor's lawn. That razor was suspected to belong to
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: Joseph's brother, Andrew, who was a barber. Bump Bump now
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: Andrew's employee. Esteban Torres, which sounds a lot like a
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: Tarantino character, told police that Andrew had taken had taken
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: the razor from the shop two days before the murders,
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: saying that he wanted to have a a nick honed
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: in the blade. Andrew lived in an adjoining room in
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: the dwelling and reported that he heard grown noises through
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: the wall the morning after the murders, despite hearing nothing
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: of the actual attack. And to this you might say, well,
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: case closed, but no, he Andrew was extremely intoxicated, and
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: he actually he blamed his inability to hear any noises
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: from the attack itself, blamed that on the intoxication.
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: So I mean, let's be honest, it's no Orleans and
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: who also hasn't been so drunk that they passed out
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: and they couldn't hear an attack. I have been so
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: passed out in my younger days. Somebody came into my house,
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: shook me several times, and finally woke me up by
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: pouring cold water on me. So it is possible.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: I can't say I've been tested in that fashion, but
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: I could imagine that to be true, and I'd probably
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: be pretty did to the world anyways, pun intended. So
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: Andrew was not permitted to attend the funeral and was
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: instead in a police interrogation room. He wasn't allowed to
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: attend the funeral, It's ridiculous. Andrew became the prime suspect,
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: but he was released after investigators were unsuccessful in getting
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: him to change his statements because they probably were true.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: Andrews said he went to bed while his brother and
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: sister in law were still alive and awake. He woke
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: up shortly before five am. He reported that he saw
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: a quote unknown man allegedly lurking near the apartment prior
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: to the murders. The razor was later found not to
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: be Andrews. There was a dark stained shirt of Andrews
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: that turned out to be stained with wine, not blood,
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: like I just did right here in this general vicinity.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: And Andrew claimed his older brother had raised him, so
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: they had a relationship, a really good one.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: Well, and I'm sorry it is sad that he did
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: not get to go to his brother's funeral, because there's
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: something sad with that, I mean, especially if he was
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: raised by his brother I'm sorry. Let him go to
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: the funeral and then question him afterwards. I mean, you
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: already didn't elutely cordon off the crime scene. What's it
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: gonna hurt? That's just horrible, right exactly? Yeah, So well,
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: now I'm going to take us into June. June twenty seventh,
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: nineteen eighteen, Louis the summer and Harriet Low. Now two
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: weeks later, John Sanka was the bakery guy and he
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: was delivering bread to Louis ann Harriet. I'm going to
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: just tell you I want someone to come to my
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: house and deliver bread every day, fresh homemade bread. Okay,
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: anybody up for that? And if you want to bring Beignet's,
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: I will tell you how to get here. But he knocked.
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: Louise answered with his head covered in blood, and John
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: was shocked. I mean, this shit didn't happen back then
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: a lot. Right, Now, Louise showed him. Excuse me, See
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: that's why those hurricanes it just snuck up on me.
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: You went down, it didn't. Now it made me sneeze. See,
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: let's see if we can get a third one boom No, no, now, anyway,
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: Louise showed him where his mistress Harriet low lay on
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: top of the bloody sheets. Now, guys, I did say mistress,
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: and I'm going to just say clutch your pearls because
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: that probably was quite the scandal back then.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: Hmm. I'm thinking it was. At that point John questioned
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: his career choice. He wanted to drop off a couple
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: of bad guess when he gets lewis standing there like
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: an extra from walking dead, bleeding over the fresh carbs.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: You never bleed over the fresh carbs, come on out.
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: But Louise and Harriet were attacked in his private quarters
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: behind his grocery store during private time. So I had
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: to stop and think about this private time. Does that
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: mean the stores closed for the night or did the
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: store close so that they could go hide the sausage
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: and the baguette or something. I don't know. I just
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: want to know why it was called private time.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: Didn't have a bag yet yet, it hadn't been delivered.
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: Hadn't been delivered. But the scandal of him having a
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: mistress was larger news than the attempted murders. What does
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: that tell you? In today's time, it'd be like, oh,
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: he's got got a side piece.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: Uh oh, like somebody hit them with an axe, but
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: it was a mistress.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: A mistress. But Louise suffered an axe blow above his
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: right temple, resulting in a possible skull fracture. Now, Harriet
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: had permanent paralysis on the left side of her face
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: from the hack over her left ear. Now, the axe
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: that was used was found in the adjacent bathroom and
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: was owned by Lewis. Once again didn't bring his own
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: murder weapon right now. Sadly, Louis Ubi Khan, a forty
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: one year old African American man hired by Louise Besumer
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: as a store cloak the week before, was arrested almost
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: at once, even though there was no evidence for him
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: being guilty. But guess what. He was eventually released. It's
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: like they arrested before they asked questions. But Harriet reported
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: her attacker was a Mulatto man. And I'm going to
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: just let everybody know that's the vocabulary they used back then. Okay,
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: but her version was discounted by authorities due to her disorientation.
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: I mean, I have to tell you, somebody hits me
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: in the head with an axe. I'm probably not going
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: to recall too much what I saw. Okay, Now, once again.
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: Police here determined that robbery had been the motive, even
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: though nothing had been taken, which I don't know, but
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: Harriet continued to make sortid and fake accusations related to
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: the attacks, as well as the character of her LoVa.
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: So basically, he probably caught shit from his wife for
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: being with this mistress when this happened. He dropped her
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: like a hot potato, and there is nothing like a
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: Scones woman. So she basically even said that he was
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: a spy. I mean she literally said he was a
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: German spy and they arrested him, but he was released
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: after two days.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: Good. I mean, he was obviously a Germanic spy ax
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: murder with too much time on his hands. That's exactly
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: what we're going for here. I think that fits the
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: profile terribly. That's not any I just love how the
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: police like the first thing, we're like, robbery wasn't a motive.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: The second one obviously the same kind of tool, same
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: kind of weapon, et cetera, the same kind of m
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: Oh robbery was a was a motive. There's no Yeah,
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: we need a database, but there's no database. It's literally
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: just a guy named Data creating a base.
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: It is so now. On her deathbed, Harriet then accused
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: her lover of being her attacker. So she went from
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: saying he was a spy to he's the one that
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: attacked me. Now he was charged with her murder and
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: after nine months in the nine months, guys, he was
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: acquitted on May fir nineteen nineteen, after just ten minutes
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: of deliberation. Now that he was not an Italian immigrant
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: and he had only lived in the city for several
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: months before the attack, but he did have the grocery store,
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: and he had one pissed off woman.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: A lot of that I feel like was to detract
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: attention from her and her mistake in order to push
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: it all back on him.
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: Right now, I mean, I'm not saying she was wrong.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: I wudn't judge anybody now, not at all. I mean
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: in the time and age, though, if you were labeled
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: a quote unquote Hussey, then that was it, right?
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: Uh, Hussy? Is that what I thought? There were floozies.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Harlett Hussey, Harlot works. I'd say a flapper, but my
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: great grandmother was a flapper, so we'll just avoid that.
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: Let's not she was she was, well, then you can't
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: say a scorned or not a oh morally bad person,
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: a flapper. If your grandmother was a flapper, let's just
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: say she was a hope she was. Let's just say.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: Rouge under her knees and dance on the tables. That
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: was grandma. So moving from June to moving, yes, right,
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: she wasn't good moving from June to August. August fifth,
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: nineteen eighteen. Anna Schneider which Anna Schneider, was twenty eight
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: years old and eight months pregnant. She woke up to
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: a dark figure standing beside her bed, which is a
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: scary Uh. The attacker repeatedly bashed in her face. Her
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: scalp was cut over, and her face was covered in blood.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: Now Her husband Ed found her at midnight when he
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: returned home late from work. Now Ed reported nothing stolen
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: beside six or seven dollars from his wallet. Ed, where
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: did you go without your wallet? But that's not the point.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: There were no signs of forced entry to the windows
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: or the doors. So to the windows, to the walls,
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: nobody broke in. Police decided that she had been attacked
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: with a bedside lamp. Now you all are gonna have
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: a question. You're gonna have the question what about the baby. Well,
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: Anna delivered a healthy baby girl two days later. Now
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: she remembered nothing during the attack because darn police soon
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: arrested ex con James Gleason, but he was later released again,
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: also to due to a lack of evidence. So we
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: really do that whole arrest hold forty eight hours and
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: hopefully we find something to keep them thing. That's kind
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: of what where we're at. So this is when lead
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: investigators began to publicly guess the Schneider attack was related
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: to the earlier two, which is interesting because the second
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: attack didn't have the robbery aspect that this attack did,
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: but didn't use an axe, which was a huge connection
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: between the crime scenes when the first and the second
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: attacks did. And oh no, I've gone cross eyed.
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: Now I'm not sold that she was one of the
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: axe Man's victims. And my brain goes to it's always
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: the husband. Did they look into the husband? Did he
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: get arrested for forty eight hours?
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: So I think that there was a lot of tunnel
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: vision on this. They seem to assume when one or
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: two things matched previous crimes from the axe Man, that
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: it was the axe man, and they seemed to stop
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: looking at this sceneingly obvious, right, I think they call
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: that the Okham's razor, right, is like it's it's always
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: like the obvious answer, it's right there, right. But yeah,
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: I mean I think a lot. I think it was.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: It would have definitely been worth looking into the husband.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: It always is. I mean, whether they're angels or not.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: I think you should look into that because those relationships
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: tend to end up if they go bad violent.
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: So, and how is he at work with all his wallet?
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know what he You know,
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: he was at work without his wallet. He was there
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: till midnight, which is a little odd and strange, but
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: you know, maybe he was with it. I'd say he
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: was with Harriet. But Harriet died that day.
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: So Harriet didn't die I remember, not that day. Did
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: she die that day? Oh that's right, she did die day.
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: That's right, that's right. Okay, So it's not Harriet's fault.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: Look at me putting it back on Harriet.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: It was like only like three months later that she
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: died too.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: So well, then again on August tenth, nineteen eighteen, Joseph Romano,
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: I mean he lived at his house. That was that
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: little grocery store I mentioned earlier in the house, and
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: he lived with his two nieces, which, guys, is so
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: sweet that two nieces are living with their older uncle,
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: because I don't think that would be me. I'm just
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: not that good of a person. Now, the nieces Pauline,
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: I'm not. I'm sorry, I'm.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: Assuming he's not the uncle. You know, that's true.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: Maybe he was a nice uncle. Yeah, maybe he was
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: a nice uncle. But the nieces Pauline and Mary Bruno,
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: they were awoken, awoken, awakened by a commotion, see what
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: happens with a hurricane in an adjoining room where their
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: elderly uncle, you know, Joseph lived. Now, the nieces found
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: Romano was several serious blows to his head, and they
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: reported seeing a dark skinned, heavy set man dressed in
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: a dark suit and a slouched hat fleeing the scene.
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: I want to know what a slouch hat?
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: So probably probably this, oh like just down. My thing
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: about this is that it was dark. So yes, the
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: person was dark and they were in a dark suit.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: What like this is just like yeah, you know, this
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: is how how detailed was this? You know?
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: And they didn't tell us their ages for all we know,
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: you know, maybe they had been having a couple of
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: sherrys or something. Now Joseph walked to the ambulance, so
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: he was up and mobile and walked to the himself.
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: But sadly, he died two days later from the you know,
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: the severe head trauma. Now the living quarters had been ransacked,
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: but once again nothing was found to be missing. The
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: back door was missing a panel, and a bloody axe
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: was found in the backyard.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: I feel like it's at this point where you have
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: to say, if all characteristics are similar, then it probably
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: is the same guy. Maybe. Then again, at that point,
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: they were really just kind of letting people like I
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: mentioned earlier, walk all over the scene. So who knows
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: what copycats learned right off the bat. I mean, you
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: find a chance to get away with something, and you're
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: like that, you're going to go for it, especially if
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: you know, hey, this person's made it this long. They
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: do this exact thing. I've seen it myself. It gave
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: me the willies in a good way. And then you know,
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: and and so they start doing it on their own. Right.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: It's what they went to school, right, right, yes, right right.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: Every single crime scene is basically school and that's one
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: of the big arguments about true crimes, that you're just
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: teaching people how to do it better, which obviously we
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: have shown not to be true with some of the
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: stories we covered in the past and other shows. So
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: so along with this, you of course can only imagine
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: the community panic. The Romano attack created panic in New
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: Orleans as residents began to fear an attack from the
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: acts man. Now police began to receive many reports that
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: people had seen the killer lurking around, and some men
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: reported finding axes in their backyards, which is really funny
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: because he never brought them. He only used the ones
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: that were already there. Citizens started openly carrying shotguns, taking
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: shifts to watch their homes at night, because I can
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: think of nothing better than somebody in New Orleans lay
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: get at night, super tired, with a shotgun, sitting on
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: their porch, going, I just dare you.
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: Oh, there's still much on that, honey.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: Well, I didn't think it changed very much. I didn't
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: have much hope for that. But it just scares me,
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: is really what it comes down to. And and Lady
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: and Gray does make a good point, as she did
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: the research cops told the reporters everything, who printed everything,
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: so you know, even if you weren't at the scene, yes,
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: sure as hell learned about it. That's that's for damn sure.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: So they started openly carrying the shotguns there. They also
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: spread many rumors about the killer, including the killer often
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: dressed as a woman, which I guess makes the people
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: with shotguns neighborhood watch and gossip I don't like. It's
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: like gossip girl with like an AMMO belt, I guess,
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: just all in one. So just to give you an example,
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: just to get you kind of a little bit further,
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: John D'Antonio, which is pretty Italian, a retired Italian detective,
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: said publicly that it was possible that the man who
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: had committed the most recent murders was the same one
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: who had killed several people years earlier, like you had
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: mentioned in nineteen eleven. He thought it was possible the
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: killer had two personalities who killed without a motive. He
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: didn't have a motive. He just whatever was there was,
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: whatever happened happened. And to that, I say, paging doctor
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: Dorothy Lewis. Dorothy Lewis, please come to the psycho wing
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: doct don't go just honestly though, that's pretty forward thinking
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: for that time.
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: I should say for that time, that was very forward thinking.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: Right, It's very possible. I mean, it is really possible.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: So yeah, you have to ask s. I'm sorry, Captain,
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: what what did I miss? Michelle Trackenberg died. She played
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: Harry at the Spy. She's a Virginia and gossip girl. Yeah,
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: she had recently had a liver transplant, I believe, and
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: I think that went south. I think that's what happened.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: I have not that. Gene Hackman also died today too,
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: so as did his wife and one of their three dogs.
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: I saw that one.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: It was said earlier in a conversation with some friends,
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: we are living in the worst version of the twenty
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: twenty five timeline right now. Yeah, yeah, no, don't go anywhere, okay,
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: but yeah, so so doctor Dorothy Lewis, I need you
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: to come and investigate the ex murderer, and by that
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: I mean don't don't.
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: Now. Well then again. On March tenth, nineteen nineteen, Charles
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: Rosie and Mary Court to mcguilia, I guess that's how
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: you say that, mcguilia.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: So Orlando Jordan, who's the grocer across the street from
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: the court of Maguelia family residence in Gretna, Louisiana, which
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: is a New Orleans suburb, so it's a parish just
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: right across the Mississippi River. But heard screams and ran
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: over to investigate. Charlie, Rosy and their daughter Mary had
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: all been attacked and guys. Once again, nothing was taken
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: from the home, a panel had been chosled away from
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: the back door, and the axe used was found on
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: the back porch. I got lots to say about axes
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: a little bit. But Charles received a skull fracture from
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: blows from the axe, but he returned home after two
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: days in the hospital. Now he was found dead on
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: the floor later. Okay, but his two year old daughter
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: Mary died in her mother's arms from a blow to
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: the back of her neck. Who hits a child, a
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: little innocent child, with an axe, huh? But Rosie, Charlie's wife,
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: also suffered skull fractures from blows from the axe, but
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: she remained hospital for a few days longer than her husband,
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: and despite her injuries, she was found standing in the
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: corner clutching her deceased baby. Now, when she regained full consciousness,
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: Rosie claimed that Giordano and his eighteen year old son
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: Frank were her attackers. And we're just going to start
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: and say this seems questionable so many things. Orlando was
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: sixty nine years old and was in poor health.
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: Okay, he looks like he's about to send me stocks
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: or real estate and then come here shut you know what.
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: He looks like one of the old bankers from Mary Poppins.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: That's what he loves.
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: He does, he does now the sun. Frank was over
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: six feet tall and weighed two hundred pounds and was
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: too large to fit through the door panels. And the
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: door panels were so low you couldn't put your arm
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: up in it to reach the locks. To unmock it, okay,
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: Charles denied.
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: I had one of those like little like dinosaur grabbers
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: that you just pull in. It opens the jaws and
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: you just you know.
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: I'm going to just say they didn't have those in
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: nineteen nineteen, but I could be wrong.
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: But we looked the thing. That's how I know it
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: was good. Captain said Teddy Roosevelt cosplay.
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, you guys now Charles had denied his
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: wife's claims. He thought she was suffering trauma because her
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: baby was killed. Right, But once again the police arrested
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: the men. Okay, they were charged with murder and they
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: were later convicted. Frank was sentenced to hang and Lorlano
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: Loorlando was sentenced to life in prison. Now, Charles divorced
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: his wife after the trial. I'm glad you did. Now.
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: A year later, she recanted her false accusations, saying she
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: accused him out of jealousy and spite. What was she
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: jealous of? They came to rescue her. But the good
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: news is both men were released from prison after being traumatized.
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: But I personally think Rosie should have been charged with
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: giving a false statement to the police. I mean, guys,
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: I know she was a victim. I know that she
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: lost her baby, But to say that two people committed
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: that horrific of a crime, to me is criminal.
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: One like, you didn't have to go through all that,
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: just like passively aggressively destroy their garden or something. I mean,
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: if he's gonna be Teddy Roosevelt, just just take out
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: his bear, you know, it's just like or moose or
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: whatever the hell it was like, you have to be
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: in it for the long game. You can't just go
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: out and be like they tried to murder me. And
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: I'm so glad. I'm so so glad that she recanted
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: before Frank was hung. Oh, because absolutely that would have
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: been I would have been so angry.
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know why she didn't just go
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: get a voodoo doll or get a spell cast on
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: them if she wanted to get them for some reason,
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: right right.
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: I just I don't understand. I don't. It will never
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: make sense to me. But here we are. Here we
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: are now in March. In March on the thirteenth in
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: nineteen nineteen, there was a letter that was written and
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: sent by the infamous Axe Man, and I'm going to
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: read it to you and hopefully include some reasonable music
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: beneath if I can. Sure, we'll go with that. Why not?
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: It is it is dated? Oh, it's we're all right.
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: Here we go. Well, March thirteenth, nineteen nineteen. Esteemed mortal.
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: They have never got me, and they never will. They
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: have never seen me, for I am invisible, even as
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: the ether that surrounds your earth. I am not a
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: human being, but a spirit and a demon from the
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: hottest Tell I am what you are, Lenians, and your
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: foolish police call the ax man. When I see fit,
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: I shall come and claim other victims. I alone know
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: whom they shall be. I shall leave no clue except
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: my bloody ax besmeared with blood and brains of he
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: whom I have sent below to keep me company. If
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: you wish, you may tell the police to be careful
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: not to rile me. Of course, I am a reasonable spirit.
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: I take no offense at the way they have conducted
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: their investigations in the past. In fact, they have been
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: so utterly stupid as to not only amuse me, but
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: his Satanic Majesty Francis Joseph, etc. But tell them to beware.
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: Let them not try to discover what I am, for
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: it were better that they were never born than to
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: incur the wrath of the axe Man. I don't think
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: there is any need of such a warning, for I
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: feel sure the police will always dodge me, as they
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: have in the past. They are wise and know how
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: to keep away from all harm. Undoubtedly, you or Lenians
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: think of me as a most horrible murderer, which I am,
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: but I could be much worse if I wanted to,
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: If I wished, I could pay a visit to your
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: city every night at will, I could slay thousands of
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: your best citizens. For I am in close relationship with
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: the angel of Death. Now to be exact, at twelve
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: fifteen earthly time, on next Tuesday night, I am going
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: to pass over New Orleans in my infinite mercy. I
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: am going to make a little proposition to you people here.
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: It is I am very fond of jazz music, and
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: I swear by all the devils in the nether regions
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: that every person shall be spared in whose home a
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: jazz band is in full swing at the time I
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: have just mentioned. If everyone has a jazz band going well,
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: then so much the better for you people. One thing
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: is certain, and that is that some of your people
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: who do not jazz it out on that specific Tuesday night,
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: if there be any, will get the acts well. As
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: I am cold and crave this warmth of my native
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: tar Tartarus, and it is about time I leave your
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: earthly home. I will cease my discourse, hoping that thou
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: wilt publish this, that it may go well with thee
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: I have been am and will be the worst spirit
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: that ever existed, either in fact or realm of fantasy.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: The ax Man.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: Okay, the music was great, but the X Man did
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: not write that letter. And I'm going to say, after
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: all my research, I'm gonna think most people agreed with me.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: But what do you think?
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: I think Amy Beth has been a member for six
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: months and she said jazz it out, so I'm gonna
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: read that out. I thought that was weird too. Jazz
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: it out? Yeah, what do you know? It reminds me
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: of a story. It reminds me of something that I
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: wrote when I was like a freshman or sophomore in
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: high school, when I was trying to be edgy, and
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: I was like, I'm gonna write this as edgy is
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: frickin' possible, with no thought of design, form, function, content.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: It's just gonna be edgy, and and that's what it
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: seems like. It just seems like a personal diary entry.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: I don't think that the person. I'm not saying that
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: the person who's the X Man is an intelligent because
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: they are, because good God, the whole concept of not
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: using your own weapon is fascinating, but this is it's
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: pretty intelligent overall. I think it's somebody who just decided
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: to make use of the scare.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: I think it was somebody that owned a jazz club
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: and they wanted to write this so that more people
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: would come and play jazz and music. Or it was
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: a new jazz artist and they wanted more people to
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: like jazz. I'm going to say it was a marketing
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: person who took advantage of an opportunity. Just my two cents.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: I agree, And here's my thing, And I think that
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: it is very tasteless, There's no doubt about that. However,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: if I was in that era and that was happening,
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: and I was able to anonymously put a letter out
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: there that would then cause people to then be part
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: of my business, or take part in my business, or
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: hire me, I can't say that I wouldn't do it,
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: you know. So it makes sense, No, it is. It
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: is definitely not chat GPT. And the reason for that, Angie,
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: is because it didn't say this is a stark warning,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: because everything chet GPT thinks is stark. So yes, yes,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: it's always big jazz, big jazz, big pharma, big government.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: I I also looked at it this way. Maybe it
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: was also somebody who wanted to give people some assurance
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: that nothing bad would happen on one night and that
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: you could well because you know me, I like to
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: look at the brighter side of things, because I would
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: have just played jazz music and gone the net so well.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: Then in August of the same year, nineteen nineteen August tenth,
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: Steve Boca woke during the night to find an axe
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: weilding dark figure standing over him now, he said. When
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: he regained consciousness, Boca ran into the street to investigate
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: the intrusion and discovered that his head had been cracked open,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: and he ran to his neighbor's house, Frankel Jenousa, where
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: he collapsed and lost conscious again. But nothing was taken
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: from the home and a panel was chiseled out of
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: the back door, and Boca recovered from his injuries, but
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: he never remembered any details from the attack. But guys,
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: just a little bit later September second, nineteen nineteen, William Carson,
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: who was the local druggist, and when I say druggist,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: I mean pharmacist, not drug dealer on the street. Okay,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: let me just clarify, used to call called them a druggist.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: Back in the day.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: Okay, yes, yes, for all of.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: Those people born much later. But he escaped the lethal
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: axe man. He fired several shots at an intruder had
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: broken into his home, and the killer left a broken
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: door and the axe behind.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And then one day later Sarah Lowman on September third,
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: nineteen nineteen. She was nineteen years old when she was
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: attacked in her apartment during the night. The next day,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: neighbors came to check on the young woman because she
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: lived alone, and well, they hadn't seen her, and at
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: that point we actually cared about our neighbors. They broke
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: into the home when she didn't answer. Sarah was unconscious
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: on her bed with a severe head injury and several
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: missing teeth. The attacker had entered through an open window,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: thank goodness for modern day ac and used a blunt
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: object in the attack. A bloody the acts was found
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: on the front lawn of the building. Now Louman recovered
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: from her injuries, but again proves the fact that if
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: you're going to attack somebody, go for the head. Because
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: they couldn't remember any of the details of the attack,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: which is I mean, at this point, it's just got
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: to be infuriating it's just like you don't remember what
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: you still and what I think was I think that
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: I didn't write this down. But then this is purely conjecture.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: But I think whoever did the one on September second
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: was really pissed off that he failed. And then September
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: third came around and he said, ooh, that's more my type,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: and that's why she not only had a head injury,
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: but she all also had missing teeth because I think
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: he went too far, and I think he was frustrated
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: and pissed off and angry, agreed, and then over a
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: month later October twenty seventh, Mike Pepaton Mike Peppatone. It
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: could be Pepatoni, which sounds a lot more fun, but
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna say Pepone for now. But Pepatone actually sounds
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: like a music genre, like a subgenre of SKA. Do
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: you play Pepotone? So, Mike Peppatone was attacked in his bedroom.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: A woman claiming to be his wife, claiming to be
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: his wife, was awakened by a noise and arrived at
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: his bedroom door just as a large man fled. Pepotone
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: had been struck in the head and was covered in blood.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: The room was covered in blood spatter, including the painting
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: of the Virgin Mary Clutcher. Pearls also covered in blood
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: spatter as well. The woman, the mother of six children,
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: was unable to describe any characteristics of the killer other
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: than he was quote large. More will be said of
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: this woman who claimed to be Pepatone's wife. Later, Mike
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: Pepotone was the last of the alleged axe men attacks.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: Now a lot of people, including me, don't think Mike
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: was a victim of the axe man since it can't
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: be verified that an axe was used in the killing.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: And that poor woman, I'm going to just say poor
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: woman six kids. Back then, she was a mother of
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: six kids. Back in that time and day, they didn't
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: have epidurals.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: No, I mean, I feel like having kids back then
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: was basically like taking like making a life choice, Like
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: I am willing to die six times to have six kids,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: if that does that make sense? Like there wasn't a
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: lot of the modern medicine. There wasn't. I mean, you
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: had to be willing to go out, you know, having kids. Yeah,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: I think not that now it isn't, But yeah.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: Having kids back then makes me think of passing a
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 3: kidney stone in today's time, and I would much rather
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: have kids. So now you laugh, you laugh, but I
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: mean it's true.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: No, no, I've had one. I don't equate it to
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: having kids, but I do I empathize with you on
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: the It's terrible.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: It's terrible now. The media as the media in today's time.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 3: Even back then, they went a little bit crazy, right
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: because the majority of the victims were of Italian or
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 3: suspected to be Italian heritage, and there was tons of speculation.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: Just look at the headlines. Was he a madman? Was
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: he a robber? Was he a sadist? Or was he
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: some supernatural entity? Now the media sensatialized this idea. New
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: Orleans had a lot of folklore accounts in Gamba Yah okay,
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: like the needleman who stabbed woman until they were unconscious
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: and then carried them off, the black bottle man who
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 3: killed patients at hospitals and then gave the bodies to
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: medical students, And Terry was raised thinking the axe Man
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 3: was one of these folklores. So how does that make
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: you feel? Now? This theory was They also said that
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: he possibly was of a different world, a different being,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: and that theory was considered very possible because it was
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: said that the axe man was seeing disappearing like he
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: had wings And I don't understand that statement.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: But it's a playing as Tim Taylor.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it just and then the media even suggested the
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: mafia was involved, but there was no evidence of that.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: And while I say, yes, that could be possible, I
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: would think the mafia would bring their own weapon. They
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 3: wouldn't leave it to chance.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: Hey everybody, it's byow, you bring your own weapon.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Now, crime analysts think that the killings were sexually
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 3: motivated by a sadistic killer who was targeting women, which
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: I'm going to just say they were younger, they were
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 3: back in the day. They didn't have the amount of
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: information that we have in today's time to do analysis
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: because they were off their rocker on that one. But
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: that's just my opinion.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: No, there's literally there's no evidence that says that these
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: were sexually motivated at all, even you know, I mean
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: even without even without the modern medicine, you'd know at
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: some point whether somebody was sexually abused to a degree.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: I think, you know, autopsy wise, right, And you know,
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: even even though it was the early nineteen hundreds. I mean,
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: it's pretty evident that this was not it was not
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: sexually motivated, because he did indeed go after like just
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: men too. So I honestly, I think he was just
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: pissed at the rising prices of eggs.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was pure conjecture, and as we know, no
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 3: one has ever been apprehended. Now, like I mentioned earlier,
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 3: many considered the theory that the Axe Men attacked in
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 3: an attempt to promote jazz music. Now, I don't think
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 3: he did it to promote jazz music, because he said
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: he wouldn't attack. But he only said that one time,
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 3: so it suggested. But the letter allegedly written by the
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: killer in which he said he would spare the lives
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 3: of those who had a band playing jazz in their homes,
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: I've already said that's.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: Just I would like this. I would like it to
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: be known by everybody who's watching this now and in
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: the replay crew, thank you that this is This is
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: officially first record of the jazz Over known to men.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: So the jazz over has had happened. Is this sacrilegious?
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: I don't think so. Passover didn't begin until April fourteenth
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: that year, because i looked it up. So this was
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: the jazz over So you know, when in doubt, put
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: the singing carp above your singing bass, above your door
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: and you'll be fine. That's what that means.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: So, like I said, I think it a marketing person
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 3: just took it upon themselves because on that night of
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 3: March nineteenth, the dance halls were filled and the houses.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 3: Hundreds of houses around the city had parties where they
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 3: had professional and amateur jazz bands playing. So it was
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 3: a little boost for the economy. There were no murders
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: that night, like I said, so it was kind of
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 3: a a night that you could feel safe. But the
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 3: interesting thing the return address on the letter was simply, hell.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: It's it's so overdone. Like it was. It had to
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: be a club promoter who was also a theater kid.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: It just had to be.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 3: Now, it still remains a topic with mini theories because
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 3: here we are in twenty twenty five still talking about it.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: Right, that's my fault. Well, listen, so we're going to
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: talk briefly, you know, a little bit about the possible suspects,
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: because we think that that's really interesting. The first one
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: was Joseph Moumfrey. He was. Crime writer Colin Wilson guesses
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: the ax man could have been Joseph Momfrey. Momfrey was
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: shot to death in Los Angeles in December of nineteen
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: twenty by the widow of Mike Peppatone, the ax Man's
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: last known victim. Wilson's theory has been widely reported in
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: other true crime books and websites. And if we know
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: one thing, we know all things. If it's written in
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: a book and on a website, it's gotta be true.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: But having that said, true crime writer Michael Newton searched
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: public police and court records in New Orleans and Los Angeles,
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: as well as newspaper archives, and did not find any
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: evidence of a man named Joseph Momfrey or similar name
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: having been assaulted or killed in Los Angeles. So Newton
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: also couldn't find any information that missus Peppotone was arrested, tried,
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: or convicted for such a crime, or had ever been
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: in California. Now. Some sources named her as Esther Albano,
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: while others simply referred to her as woman who claimed
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: to be Pepatone's widow. Newton notes that Momfrey was not
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: an unusual surname in New Orleans at the time of
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: the murder. And there may have been an individual named
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: Joseph Momfrey or Momfrey in New Orleans who had a
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: criminal history. It could have been Munfree or Monfrey, but
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: the person may have been connected with organized crime, if possible.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: Local records are not extensive enough to confirm any any
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: of that information at all. So Wilson's explanation is an
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: urban legend. And there's really no more evidence now on
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: the identity of the killer than there was at the
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: time of the crimes. Now, in May May of May sixteenth,
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: nineteen twelve, we had mentioned the Chambras. So those were
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: two of the alleged early victims of the axe man.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: I feel like we talked about this already. But this
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: is that Missus Tony portion, right, So we had mentioned
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: that Missus Tony was mentioned. This is it. So mister
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: Chambra survived, Missus Chiambra did not. She is considered to
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: be the Missus Tony mentioned in the message on the
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: asphalt outside the Maggio killings. Now, in newspaper accounts, the
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: prime suspect for the Chambra killings was referred to by
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: the name of Mumphrey more than once. Now, while radically
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: different from the axe Man's usual mo if Joseph Mumfrey
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: was indeed the axe Man, the Chambres may have been
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: in the early victims of that future serial killer from
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: eighteen seventy five to nineteen twenty one. Well sorry, Frank
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: Doc Mumphrey eighteen seventy five to nineteen twenty one. According
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: to the scholar Richard Warner, Doc Mumphrey is a chief suspect.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: Mumphrey used the alias Leon, Joseph Monfree or Manfrey. Mumphrey
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: had a struggling jazz business in the Garden district, and
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: many in the community noted his business was unusually good
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: once the city was compelled by threat of violence to
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: hire jazz bands and play jazz records. I you know,
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: I think that that might lend itself to him writing
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: the letter, not necessarily the murders, But that's just me.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 3: I think people don't like not having answers. I mean,
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 3: who of us likes to not have answers? So I
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 3: just think they decided to throw a lot of stuff
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 3: up and see what would stick.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: I agreed. I mean spaghetti at the wall, right, which
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: they should have done before they started arresting people too.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 3: So you would think, Now I'm going to tell us
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 3: about some unofficial suspects that are brought to us by
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 3: Lady in Gray. So this is from her brilliant mind.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 3: Andrew Maggio, who is the brother of Joseph Magio, the
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 3: axe Man's first attributed victim. He claimed to be intoxicate,
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 3: intoxicated and couldn't hear the attack. Despite his alleged intoxication,
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 3: he could hear moans through the wall after the attack.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 3: He lived in the same residence as the victims, which
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 3: was attached to the grocery slash bar, and then rather
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 3: than run into his brother's bedroom at the sounds of moans,
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 3: he ran to get his other brothers and didn't return
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 3: for another thirty minutes. Well, I'm going to just say,
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 3: if you hear moans coming from a couple's bedroom, you
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 3: don't not atomatically assume they're being killed.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: Okay, just gonna go through the people, I mean, mind
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: your business.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 3: No, you don't look through the peopole boundaries. Now, Edge Snyder.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 3: Could he have been attempting family annihilation? No force entry noticed,
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 3: nothing stolen. A bedside lamp appeared to be the weapon,
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 3: not an axe. I I think somebody should have looked
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 3: into him now, jilted, jealous lover for Sarah Lowman. It
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 3: was very unusual in nineteen nineteen for a single young
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 3: woman to live alone. He could have been invited in
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: by her then left through the open window. I mean,
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 3: she could have been one of those flapper ladies. But
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 3: I was waiting for that. Yeah. Now, this lady and
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 3: Gray is not convinced that one person committed all of
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 3: these crimes. And I am going to go on record
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 3: and say I one hundred percent agree with Lady and
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 3: Gray that not just one person committed these killings. I
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 3: just don't think it's I just don't think it's the case.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I don't know. I mean at that
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: point there was so much I mean.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: She and we can say with the one hundred percent
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: confidence is that the ax Man is It's not Danny Hurston.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: Nor was the real axe Man as charming and smooth
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: as the character on American Horror Story, you know, part
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: of part of the real And I can tell you
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: this for sure, he was not as smooth because he
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: attacked at night and didn't lure anybody in. He went forward,
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: so he's he's very I would say that he's probably
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: socially inhibited, to be honest with you. Part of the
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: reason police had such a hard time catching the New
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: Orleans axe man was that witnesses to the murder rarely
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: got a good glimpse of him. Some described him as
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: dark skinned, large, heavy set, according to Legends of Legends
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: of America. Now, given the vague profile, authorities were forced
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: to cast a wide net for suspects, which is an
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: appropriate pun for New Orleans. Now. Luke's side All, head
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: tour guide and tour manager for French Quarter Phantoms in
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: New Orleans, told all that's interesting quote. Once you start
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: digging into the real details of the murders, the axe
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: is ubiquitous. But that is about it. You're gonna have
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: different times, different ways people are getting into the house,
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: Whole families are being murdered. This is just an individual,
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: different severities, etc. It is far less consistent than the
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: legend actually makes it. Now that is important because that
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: is important because this really could have been a bunch
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: of random craft that just happened. And I agree with
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: Lady and Gray. A lot of people with dark skin
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: at night, if they're not close at all. Investigators question
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: dozens of possible culprits, including victims' neighbors and family members,
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  Speaker 2: and even some of the alleged victims themselves were suspected
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: of being the Axe Man of New Orleans, as the
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: case of Louis Bessemer. Still, police never uncovered enough evidence
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: to convict anyone of the murders. The ax Man remained
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: at large. Now, despite intense investigations, the Axe Man was
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: not caught or even identified. His crimes free stopped mysteriously
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: as it began. The killer's identity remains unknown to this day,
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: leaving a ton of speculation as to his identity, motive,
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: and ultimate fate. As can be seen by this now
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  Speaker 2: hour and twenty one minute episode.
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  Speaker 3: Well there is one thing I can say, I think
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  Speaker 3: pretty factual. He is no longer alive unless it's a being.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: Probably just gonna say, you know, I do believe in.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 3: You do believe so. Pop culture, of course, you know,
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 3: loves crazy stories like this. So in nineteen nineteen, local
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  Speaker 3: tune writer Joseph John Devila wrote the song The Mysterious
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  Speaker 3: Axe Man's Jazz Don't Scare Me pop up, published by
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 3: New Orleans based Worlds Music publishing company, and the cover
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 3: depicted a family playing music with frightened looks on their faces.
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  Speaker 3: And I don't know if they were frightened because there
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 3: was somebody with an axe or because the music was
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 3: so bad, but they were looked frightened. Then nineteen eighty four,
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 3: the Australian rock band Beast of Bourbon released in an
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  Speaker 3: album called The Axe Man Jazz. Then in twenty fourteen,
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 3: Ray Celestine's I Think I'm saying that right twenty fourteen
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  Speaker 3: novel The Axe Man's Jazz is a fictionalized version of
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 3: the Axe Man of New Orleans case. Okay, now, my
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 3: favorite murderer, last podcast on the left, stuff you missed
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 3: in History Class, Unsolved Murders and BuzzFeed Unsolved have all
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 3: recorded episodes or multi parters centered around this, and you
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 3: can now include true crime and Wine Time in that group. There. Now,
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 3: in twenty twenty, the virtual reality game The Walking Dead
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 3: saintsan Sinner's multiple reference has multiple references to the Axe
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 3: Man can be found, so as an example, a character
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 3: referenced him in dialogue and a special acts can be found,
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  Speaker 3: and a safe with the phrase the X Man cometh
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 3: on the side. Okay, that's just creepy. Now. In twenty
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 3: twenty five, X Men in New Orleans, a track from Stratford,
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 3: an Ontario band. Ontario band Upside of Maybe's album Centers
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 3: and Saints, is inspired by the true story of the
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: ax Man for New Orleans and its impact on the
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 3: city's music scene. Now, I'm going to just give you
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 3: my clothes and thoughts on this. I don't think we're
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 3: ever going to know for a fact whether this is
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 3: fiction fact. I don't think it was all one person.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 3: I think calling it the X Man just made it
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 3: more sensationalized, I guess, And I am just going to
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 3: go on the record for everyone listening, watching, watching later,
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 3: do not leave an axe by your back door. Under
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 3: no circumstances would you leave a gun there for them
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 3: to come in and shoot you with a gun. So
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 3: why would you leave your axe out there? Okay, so
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 3: I'm going to say some of the mafia stuff seems plausible,
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 3: but I also think they would have just brought a
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 3: gun and just done it a lot quicker. And I
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 3: also think since voodoo was a thing, I don't know
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 3: why someone didn't go get a voodoo doll, have a
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 3: spell and put a spell on all of the axes
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 3: in the parish that they could do it whatever, and
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 3: that every time an axe is picked up and swung
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 3: at a person, it should sing at the top of
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 3: its axes.
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  Speaker 2: So like like that sword that's sang in Roger Rabbit.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, Yeah, that's what I think.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: I'm there, I'm with it, I'm hip. In terms of
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: final thoughts, for me, he was a jazz loving lunatic
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: with boundary issues. I mean, he was an unhinged lunatic
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: with a flair for theatrics. He borrowed his victim's own
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: weapons like some kind of murdery goldilocks. Honestly, I don't
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: I don't think he cared about it, Like what would
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 2: that be like, like, oh, this axe is too heavy,
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: this ax is too light, this axe is just right.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: I don't think he cared about anything but jazz music,
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: just like he just wants a sick saxophone solo. I
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: mean he was. He was a serial killer and a
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: pretentious music's not at the same time, just utterly insufferable.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: They never caught him, which means that somewhere out there,
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: the X Man just faded into history, probably sitting in
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: a rocking chair, shaking his fist at teenagers with their
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: AirPods grumbling. Back in my day, we played real music
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: or else hard stop on the or else. So I
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: you know, I I don't know. I mean, I want
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: to know what you know. If we have a couple
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: of minutes, we have like three minutes, I want to
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: know what everybody who's watching. What do you guys think?
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: What do you guys think about this? Do you guys
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: have any have you heard about this case? Do you
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: have any thoughts about who it might have been? Do
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: you think they were all linked or were they just separate?
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: You know those are general questions, of course, and very
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: open ended. But you know, I'm interested to hear what
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: our folks have to think, because I'm gonna be honest
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: with you. Anybody who watches our show, either now or
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: as replay crew, I feel like they. I feel like
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: they are extremely intelligent, which makes me wonder why they
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 2: listen to me. On my side me, I'm not going
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: to put you put you into.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 3: That, but I appreciate that.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, I'm not sure. I'm not sure you're right.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 2: You're right, Captain's right now, jazz fans just talk you
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: to death. It's not like it used to be. But
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: but yeah, I.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 3: Think it could be a rabbit hole.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: Yes it is. It is one big rabbit hole.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I'm not going to say thank you for
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 3: taking me down that rabbit hole, because I could have
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 3: lived my whole life thinking it was just a folk
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 3: tell I didn't need to think that people were actually
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 3: getting with axes.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: Sorry, amp Amy, thank you for being a member for
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 2: six months. I appreciate it. Oh yeah, lady, and Grace says,
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: I think maybe one or two are related, but I
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: don't think all of those that were done by the
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: same person. I agree with you. I think there were
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: some various motives, various weapons, various demographics of people, and
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: they just weren't looking at that. They weren't considering victimology.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: They were considering person dead. Who the hell did it?
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 3: But I think they were telling the newspaper everything. So
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 3: if I wanted to get rid of somebody, why wouldn't
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 3: I go and mimic it after that? When you just
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 3: gave me basically a plan on how to do it.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 3: So that's why I think there's multiple people.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely absolutely.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 3: Do you want to tell people what we're covering? Next week,
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 3: because next week is dark and it's back in the news, and.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: It's big, and it's be one of the biggest cases
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: that we have covered on this show. To be honest
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: with you, I mean I think I think we've covered
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: some big ones, but but not current big in that fashion.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 2: So next week, March sixth, nine pm Eastern, eight pm Central,
• 1:30:17
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• 1:30:18
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• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: the trial, the outcome, the whole kit and kaboodle, because
• 1:30:26
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• 1:30:29
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• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: coming up for then.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: We can tell.
• 1:30:38
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• 1:30:43
  Speaker 3: for a while, we had Scott Hoover on who was
• 1:30:46
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• 1:30:51
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• 1:30:55
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• 1:30:59
  Speaker 3: twenty first of March after sitting in court watching the
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 3: Menindas brothers trials. We will be on live both nights
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 3: if it goes both nights. If it does happen, Scott
• 1:31:13
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• 1:31:15
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• 1:31:17
  Speaker 3: at our normally scheduled time, but I am very excited
• 1:31:21
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• 1:31:27
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• 1:31:29
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• 1:31:32
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• 1:31:34
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• 1:31:36
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• 1:31:39
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• 1:31:41
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• 1:31:44
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• 1:31:47
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• 1:31:49
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• 1:31:52
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• 1:32:01
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• 1:32:23
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• 1:32:36
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• 1:32:38
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• 1:32:43
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• 1:32:48
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• 1:32:51
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• 1:33:02
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• 1:33:07
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• 1:33:39
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• 1:33:42
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• 1:33:53
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• 1:34:28
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• 1:35:24
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• 1:35:51
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• 1:35:56
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• 1:36:00
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• 1:36:04
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• 1:36:08
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• 1:36:19
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• 1:36:39
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  Speaker 3: Your axes up. Please go to bed, but put your
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 3: axes up.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: I don't have an axe. I've been told by many people.
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 2: It's fine.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: Hi, guys, you have to le