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Elle Duncan gets REAL on Alex Honnold's climb on Netflix, leaving ESPN | 01.30 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time, a wave original.
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  Speaker 1: My name is Beaumontie Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you
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  Speaker 1: give us four stars. I'm inclined to believe you are
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  Speaker 1: a hater. It is the long-awaited El Duncan Friday. El
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  Speaker 1: Duncan of the Netflix.
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  Speaker 2: What's going on?
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  Speaker 3: What's up, Beau?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, man.
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  Speaker 1: I've decided that I'm moving into that age where it's
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  Speaker 1: the Netflix. We got to start putting the in front
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  Speaker 1: of things as I reach this robust age.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 3: Pretty soon you're going to be saying things like, on
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  Speaker 3: tomorrow and on yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: You know what? Let's start breaking it out. I think
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  Speaker 2: we need to go ahead and start getting it in there.
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  Speaker 1: On tomorrow, the important one, when you know you really
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  Speaker 1: made that switch over, is when you start saying McDonald's.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. McDonald's.
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  Speaker 3: Salmon. All of a sudden it becomes that. Chipotle. Things
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  Speaker 3: that are very common that everyone knows, you just start
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  Speaker 3: putting a little bit of a a curve ball on.
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  Speaker 1: Well, so with salmon is interesting because I'm learning Spanish
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  Speaker 1: and it is Salamone in their, in their language. So
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  Speaker 1: I'm afraid that I'm a start like misunderstanding which one
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  Speaker 1: is when, because if I say Salmon over there, they're
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  Speaker 1: not going to know what I'm talking about.
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  Speaker 3: No, they're not. They're not, but you're more often than
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  Speaker 3: not here. So I would just like really encourage you
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  Speaker 3: to say salmon while you're here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I do.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I have always been a salmon because y'all
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  Speaker 1: let people slide for stuff like that.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 1: Y'all I'm trying to think if there's any one of
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  Speaker 1: those mispronunciations that like truly drives me up a wall
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  Speaker 1: although somebody did send me a video montage of candace
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  Speaker 1: owens saying debacle because she think that's how you say
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  Speaker 1: debacle but it was a montage like repeatedly saying.
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  Speaker 4: Debacle it's so bad we we were having this conversation
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  Speaker 4: literally yesterday with my kids just about how you say
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  Speaker 4: different versions of things you know, in the tomato, tomato, potato, potato,
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  Speaker 4: and then we realize, like, no one calls them a
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  Speaker 4: tomato or a potato.
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  Speaker 3: But, like, the root route. And then there is just
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  Speaker 3: a right way to say things and just a wrong
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  Speaker 3: way to say things. And in Webster's version, if that's
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  Speaker 3: not what it is, like, I always just refer to
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  Speaker 3: the dictionary.
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  Speaker 1: Fair, fair. But I'm a little too Southern for all
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  Speaker 1: of that.
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  Speaker 2: And I will be honest with you.
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  Speaker 1: One of the benefits of being Beaumont Jones is– y'all
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  Speaker 1: gonna ride with it on some of these. Like I've
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  Speaker 1: made some decisions that I want to say things the
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  Speaker 1: way that I want to say them. For example, when
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  Speaker 1: I went to Iceland, I decided it's Iceland now. And
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  Speaker 1: you have to admit that Iceland sounds better than Iceland.
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  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, and it's very literal. I mean, it's the Iceland.
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  Speaker 3: It's a land of ice, so it makes total sense.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying, right?
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  Speaker 1: So, like, I'm making some calls that over here, we're
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  Speaker 1: going to do things a little differently. There's a little
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  Speaker 1: modality in my jazz when I do this over here.
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  Speaker 3: Well, so, but would you balk at someone saying Portland?
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  Speaker 2: If they could pull it off. You know what I'm saying? Like,
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  Speaker 2: if you could pull it off, you'd go ahead and
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  Speaker 2: do that. Like, my hit man, he could pull it off.
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  Speaker 2: okay you know like yeah all right but.
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  Speaker 1: I was speaking of pulling things off the ability to
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  Speaker 1: pull things off that i could never pull off this
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  Speaker 1: is a mean segue you was over there in taiwan
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  Speaker 1: um with my man alex and for those of you
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  Speaker 1: who don't know who alex is alex climbs stuff it's
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  Speaker 1: a free soloing i believe is what they call it
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  Speaker 1: there was a documentary called free solo that people have
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  Speaker 1: told me about, and the description of it is, it's
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  Speaker 1: really stressful. So I haven't seen it, because that Uncut
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  Speaker 1: Gems shit is not really my idea of a good time, right? Like,
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  Speaker 1: oh my God, I'm afraid this guy might die. Now
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  Speaker 1: we know he's not going to die because he keeps
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  Speaker 1: doing stuff. But even still, that was kind of sort of,
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  Speaker 1: would they have made that documentary if he died? I
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  Speaker 1: think that's the question I always have.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, they've definitely done that with documentaries. And honestly, like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, let's be real, in our society, something like
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  Speaker 3: that would actually do particularly well. I don't think when
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  Speaker 3: they made Free Solo, it was thinking that it would
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  Speaker 3: be some box office. That's not why you make nature
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  Speaker 3: videos or climbing videos or any of those things. It
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  Speaker 3: was just so compelling. I had seen Free Solo years ago.
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  Speaker 3: Then when I got this project, I watched it again
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  Speaker 3: with more of an eye of wanting to ask him
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  Speaker 3: these things that I was feeling when I was watching it.
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  Speaker 3: But it is But that's the beauty of that. That
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  Speaker 3: I think that movie is that you knew he lived
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  Speaker 3: and there was still just this dread and this anxiety.
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  Speaker 3: And we all knew that Alex was like perfectly capable
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  Speaker 3: of climbing this. Like technically it wasn't super challenging. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: he did El Cap, which is like the most technically
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  Speaker 3: challenging free solo ever, which is why I did it.
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  Speaker 3: and spent three years on it. Um, Alex just always
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  Speaker 3: wanted to like climb a skyscraper and this one's climbable. And, uh,
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  Speaker 3: and everyone felt like he could do it, but there
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  Speaker 3: was still just like so much dread and anxiety and tension.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: And for people who don't know what it means to
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  Speaker 1: free solo this thing, and you correct me if I'm
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  Speaker 1: wrong here, he climbs it just with his hands and feet.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Raw dog.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Just raw dog the building. There's no ropes. There's no harnesses.
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  Speaker 3: There's no parachute. There's no net. Like, uh, If you fall,
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  Speaker 3: you die.
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  Speaker 2: And that's the same thing he did with El Capitan, right?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely. If you fall, you die. Like, it's just
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  Speaker 3: as simple as that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what?
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  Speaker 1: I got to say, man, you know, we are all
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  Speaker 1: different kinds of people, right? But if you tell me
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  Speaker 1: on one hand, you get to the top and you
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  Speaker 1: get amazing views... On the other hand, you die and
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  Speaker 1: you die is not like way off on the board
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  Speaker 1: of possibilities.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Like like you die on.
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  Speaker 1: Its face seems even not probable, even if not possible,
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  Speaker 1: simply on the board, you'd be able to bet on it.
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  Speaker 2: I would not do this.
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  Speaker 1: You had experience being around climbing world and getting ready
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  Speaker 1: for this. And when he decided to, and how tall
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  Speaker 1: is he? So, and to catch people up also, he
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  Speaker 1: climbed this skyscraper. It was a Taipei 101, right?
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  Speaker 2: And is that 101? Cause it's 101 stories.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. 101 stories. But then he went above that and
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  Speaker 3: he climbed the tower, which is like not floor. So,
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  Speaker 3: but it was another like 300 meters.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. And it's a building.
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  Speaker 3: It was almost 1700 feet.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: That he climbed.
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  Speaker 2: So what, what did you pick up as you were
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  Speaker 2: immersed in this world?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I got a chance to go out and spend
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  Speaker 3: time with Alex at his house. And I spent the
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  Speaker 3: day with him and his wife, who I absolutely adore.
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  Speaker 3: She's amazing. Sonny and their kids, like I, you know,
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  Speaker 3: played in the kitchen with his daughters. I think what
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  Speaker 3: I learned through that, through the process of just watching
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  Speaker 3: everything that Alex has ever done and like interviews and
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  Speaker 3: documentaries that he's done is it's not about the views.
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  Speaker 3: Like I'm sure that that's, you know, I've asked them
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  Speaker 3: about that. They're like, by the time we do something
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  Speaker 3: like that, we've scouted it, right? Like we've done test climbs,
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  Speaker 3: like it's not about the views so much. It's about like,
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  Speaker 3: and why specifically he free solos is like the mastery
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  Speaker 3: of something that you would be willing to put your
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  Speaker 3: life on the line because you are, you have such
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  Speaker 3: a belief that you've mastered this thing and that you
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  Speaker 3: are so calculated that you've planned. I mean, he keeps like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, these extensive journals, you know, this isn't, I
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  Speaker 3: think there was just like this misconception that he's just
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  Speaker 3: this like hippie weirdo robot dude who just like is
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  Speaker 3: reckless and just, has like a death wish and is
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  Speaker 3: a thrill seeker. Like that, it couldn't be more opposite.
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  Speaker 3: He's actually like a quite sensible, super smart. He is
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  Speaker 3: so smart. Like he's like Mensa smart and insightful and
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  Speaker 3: questions a lot. He's very direct. Like I really like
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  Speaker 3: him as a person. And I think he just makes
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  Speaker 3: a really compelling argument about like, facing fear, um, about
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  Speaker 3: taking risk. And, um, you know, he made me think
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  Speaker 3: like a lot differently about my life and the challenges and,
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  Speaker 3: and things that we're willing to take. Um, and how
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  Speaker 3: you have to really like put yourself in tough situations
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  Speaker 3: in order to sort of appreciate not making mountains out
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  Speaker 3: of molehills. You know, we talked about even horror movies
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  Speaker 3: and he was like, people do those cheap thrills because
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  Speaker 3: they want to feel like safe fear. They want to
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  Speaker 3: feel a little bit of like jump scare fear. And
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  Speaker 3: if they faced anything real in their life, then they
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  Speaker 3: wouldn't need that to feel fulfilled.
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  Speaker 1: You know?
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  Speaker 3: And it's, he's just a really interesting dude. And what
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  Speaker 3: I learned is that like, he loves climbing. Like he
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  Speaker 3: has loved climbing since he was a little kid. And it's,
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  Speaker 3: it's not for us to conceive why he would put
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  Speaker 3: his life on the line. Um, but he is that
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  Speaker 3: he works that hard at this. And he's just said, like,
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  Speaker 3: I love the air around me. I don't love the ropes. Um,
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  Speaker 3: He really, really makes sure that it's something that he
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  Speaker 3: believes he can accomplish. He's talked about the fact that,
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  Speaker 3: of course, he visualizes everything, but he visualizes his death
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  Speaker 3: because it's a possibility and he doesn't run from fear.
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  Speaker 3: It's not that he doesn't feel fear. And Beau, there's
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  Speaker 3: a lot of that going around right now. His amygdala thing,
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  Speaker 3: you know, he has a no fear response and he's like,
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  Speaker 3: that's not true. It's just that He faces fear so
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  Speaker 3: much because rock climbing in general by nature is a
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  Speaker 3: very dangerous sport, even with ropes, that he's just learned
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  Speaker 3: to work through fear because he's faced it a lot.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, shout out to him for being meant
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  Speaker 1: to smart and having a wife.
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  Speaker 2: Like, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's throw that out there.
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  Speaker 2: Well done.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 3: And like a beautiful one, like beautiful, sweet.
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  Speaker 2: You said it first.
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  Speaker 1: I just looked her up and I was like, oh, hey,
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  Speaker 1: way to go. Hey man, get good at something people. That'll, that'll,
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  Speaker 1: that'll help get you into places. You know, that number,
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  Speaker 1: you know.
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  Speaker 2: We got that.
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  Speaker 1: Number two, it was interesting that he said that the
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  Speaker 1: idea that people do like horror movies and the cheap
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  Speaker 1: thrills because they've never done anything real. And if they've
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  Speaker 1: done anything real, then they wouldn't need all those sorts
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  Speaker 1: of things. And I was like, look at Alex Honnold,
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  Speaker 1: sounding like every black person talking about white people doing
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  Speaker 1: shit like bungee jumping and climbing mountains without ropes. It's like,
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  Speaker 1: little did he know that he is on both sides
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  Speaker 1: of the continuum with the discussion that he's having right there. Right.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely. And like, and I do think, you know, it's
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  Speaker 3: so funny too. I think it's culturally, you know, I'm
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  Speaker 3: a black girl from the South. Like black people do
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  Speaker 3: not understand this world. I was getting text messages from
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  Speaker 3: friends that were like, this is truly us witnessing white history,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and I'm laughing. But I think what I
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  Speaker 3: learned about spending time with the climbers in all honesty
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  Speaker 3: and genuinely is that like what they believe and sort
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  Speaker 3: of the ideals that they have don't have to be
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  Speaker 3: relegated to just like white people. Now, proximity is important.
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  Speaker 3: Like most of these people grew up, you know, with
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  Speaker 3: very active parents or they're from Colorado or they're from Tahoe,
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  Speaker 3: you know, these places that are very outdoorsy. So proximity
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  Speaker 3: to rocks and mountains and all that obviously helps like
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  Speaker 3: foster a love of this. But, you know, like connecting
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  Speaker 3: with nature, taking risk, focus. I'm very ADD. And I
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  Speaker 3: learned just even playing around in Alex's gym, because I
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  Speaker 3: have never climbed a day in my life, that it
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  Speaker 3: really forces you to focus on one move at a
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  Speaker 3: time and strategy. And that part is really cool. And
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  Speaker 3: I don't think that that has to be something that
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  Speaker 3: is just for white people. So while I'm not advocating
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  Speaker 3: that Black people start going to Red Rock and climbing
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  Speaker 3: every week, I'm not saying that we all need to
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  Speaker 3: aim to do that. I think that we can be
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  Speaker 3: more open-minded about people like that, because they are the
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  Speaker 3: most interesting people Like, Bo, you know, at the end,
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  Speaker 3: we're like, you know, we're all having drinks at the bar, like,
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  Speaker 3: just to celebrate that it's over and Alex lived.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And you're asking all the crew members, who, by the way,
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  Speaker 3: are also all climbers and things like that, you know,
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  Speaker 3: what are you doing after this, right?
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  Speaker 6: And, like, one of them is like, oh, I'm going to, like,
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  Speaker 6: a base camp in Papua New Guinea because I've been
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  Speaker 6: helping a tribe there who's trying to stop the loggers
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  Speaker 6: from taking their village.
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  Speaker 3: And then you ask someone else and he's like, I'm
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  Speaker 3: going to rappel down an Argentinian volcano to.
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  Speaker 2: Try to find.
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  Speaker 3: Like, they've traveled the world. They're so... It's an exclusive
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  Speaker 3: sport and that not a lot of people do it,
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  Speaker 3: but they're so inclusive and open minded and they're wonderful people.
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  Speaker 3: And so, I don't know, I just think like their
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  Speaker 3: spirit of adventure and seeing the world is is something
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  Speaker 3: that like we can all be inspired by.
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  Speaker 2: I just started reading a book called All A.W.E.
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  Speaker 1: And it is about the idea, the science behind the
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  Speaker 1: feeling of awe and the different ways that awe is
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  Speaker 1: generated within people and all of these things. And it's
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  Speaker 1: really interesting. And it's something I had some of these observations, though,
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  Speaker 1: induced somewhat chemically. But it was the idea that the
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  Speaker 1: importance of finding things in your life that generate awe
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  Speaker 1: and the kind of humbling nature. that comes from awe
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  Speaker 1: and how it can allow you to like improve your
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  Speaker 1: levels of focus and things like that too consistently. And they're,
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  Speaker 1: you know, they're animated the point that there's small things
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  Speaker 1: in your life that generate all. So what was interesting
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  Speaker 1: having read that yesterday and hearing what you were just
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  Speaker 1: saying is the number one thing that brings out awe
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  Speaker 1: is I think moral beauty was the term that they use,
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  Speaker 1: but like watching people do incredibly kind things generates all
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  Speaker 1: in those who observe them.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And so hearing you talk about these people who are
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  Speaker 1: clearly talking about a sport that induces awe in a
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  Speaker 1: number of reasons, ways, right? Like, for example, awe, which
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  Speaker 1: is not always generated like in this positive sense. Sometimes
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  Speaker 1: you can be in awe of worst case scenario, right?
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  Speaker 1: The magnitude of what could be bad, which I think
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  Speaker 1: would be an example of what happens if you don't
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  Speaker 1: get it right on.
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  Speaker 2: A climb, for example.
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  Speaker 1: But it would stand to reason that the people who
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  Speaker 1: look at who, who engage in that awe inspiring activity
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  Speaker 1: would also engage in this moral sense of awe, you know,
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  Speaker 1: awe inspiring of, Hey, we're going to go help some
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  Speaker 1: people turn some shit around where they are or whatever
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  Speaker 1: it is.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely. Like I think, and I just think it's
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  Speaker 3: a by-product of like traveling the world, you know, and
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  Speaker 3: like going to these places and to your point, like
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  Speaker 3: really respecting nature, they respect nature so much that, right?
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  Speaker 3: That they know that to take on these really big
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  Speaker 3: challenges and obstacles that nature's thrown our way, they have
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  Speaker 3: to be practiced and they have to, you know, really
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  Speaker 3: like think about the logistics and they have to think
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  Speaker 3: about strategy. And it's because they love the earth that much.
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  Speaker 3: They want to be in it. They want to be
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  Speaker 3: challenged by it. I just think it's, you know, I
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  Speaker 3: truly like every space that I've ever been in that
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  Speaker 3: I was unfamiliar with and had to learn about, I
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  Speaker 3: can always glean, you know, really interesting things that lead
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  Speaker 3: me to want to support that sport But man, I
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  Speaker 3: got to say with this in particular, just being around
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  Speaker 3: them really made me like start to sort of like ponder,
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  Speaker 3: not to sound too existential, but ponder like my life
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  Speaker 3: in general and the way that, you know, I calculate risk. And,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I dangled off of the building at 90
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  Speaker 3: stories because I just was so inspired to like do
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  Speaker 3: something that maybe scared me into sea. You know, I
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  Speaker 3: didn't know if I was scared of heights because I'd
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  Speaker 3: never tested that. And it turns out I actually kind
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  Speaker 3: of wasn't. Like there were some moments that freaked me
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  Speaker 3: the out, but like for the most part, I felt,
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  Speaker 3: you know, really good and comfortable. And so, you know,
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  Speaker 3: it really stretched me in a way that was like
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  Speaker 3: necessary at this time in my life when I'm doing
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: some evolution and some metamorphosis anyway. And I was just
• 15:15
  Speaker 3: really grateful to be a part of the project.
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: Got that awe. That awe hits you. I got that awe.
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: I did. I really did.
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: We got to start talking about that on the show
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: moments where it's just like, hey man, that awe.
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: That all strikes you, right?
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: Like it could be something beautiful that you see the
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: magnitude of nature, I think was like the third one
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: that was listed on that.
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: It's like the idea of it. So it's interesting.
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: You were doing this, which was in a much more
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: man-made situation, but like constructions of man were another thing
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: that were on the list of things that are awe-inspiring.
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: Like the mere idea of a skyscraper still is kind
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: of crazy when you think about it. The fact that
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: somebody could construct this at all and that it stands
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: in everything else, let alone try to climb it.
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: Absolutely. And this particular building is so beautiful, Bo. It's
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: so pretty when you see it in person and all
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: the ornaments on it. And it's stunning. And Alex says
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: that's why it always interested him is because it's so singular.
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: It literally just juts out of this city. It's like
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: you have a lot of really tall buildings in Taiwan,
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: but then you just have this just monstrosity that sits
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: out in a beautiful way though. And it really actually
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: like I don't know that skyscrapers always like make the
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: landscape better, but somehow it does in Taiwan.
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: It's it's or in Taipei. It's it's it's pretty cool.
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: So it was interesting.
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: I was reading some of this before we came on
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: and I did not realize that there had been some,
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: you know, and I saw the way that you talked
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: about it, like discussion about what it was like for
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: you observing this and calling the actual event because like
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: play by play on a he might die.
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: That is a lot.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: And I thought it was interesting to hear you say like, hey,
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: you know, while I was doing it, I thought I
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: was holding it down and in total control. And then
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: I went back and listened and was like, oh, OK,
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: I was amped up. I don't know how you're not
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: amped up. That's one of those things you can only
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: get the practice of doing by actually doing it.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: So you don't get a.
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: Chance to be like, yeah, well, we just watched somebody
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: practice climb a building.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: And now I'm cool. I'm straight.
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, and we tried a couple of times,
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: like he was supposed to do some practice climbs, but
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: it rained. So we wouldn't, and again, it's not the
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: same thing. He has a rope on, like, we know
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: he's fine. You know, like, yeah. I mean, I think again, like,
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: you know how when you're doing something, like in the
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: moment you're like, yeah, I'm in my flow state. Then
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: you go back and you're like, whoa, it's not in
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: my flow state. I think, you know, legitimately, I think
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: I went in with like some objectives. Like it was
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: so important to me to try to tell Alex's story.
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: Cause I had just had this opportunity to like really
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: consume a lot of Alex and learn a lot from
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: him and learn a lot about him. So I was like,
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: so amped to like share with people at home, you know,
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: that we're going, who is this crazy white boy? Like
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: I wanted to be like the one to help contextualize. Um,
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: and you know, I wanted to contextualize the greatness of
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: him doing this at 40 years old. You know, we
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: talk about Tom Brady and LeBron James, like, look at
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: this dude's doing at 40, right? And I wanted to
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: talk about him as a dad. Like, these are all
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: sort of things that people always bring up about Alex,
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: how irresponsible. And so I kind of went in with
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: these objectives and we didn't know what the tone was
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: going to be like at first. Like, would he be
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: very serious on the climb or not? And right away,
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: he seemed to be really be reveling in it, you know,
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: and he was being a showman and he's waving and
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: he's high-fiving people through the glass. So to me, the
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: tone from where I'm sitting is, is like more celebratory.
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: I have all of these people around. I mean, the
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: people of Taiwan showed up. There was thousands of people
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: on the street. And so we're at this park and
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: we have all these people. And the energy to me,
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: like from where I was sitting on the desk, felt
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: very much like the energy I was used to at
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: sporting events, you know, where it's just like, oh my God,
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: like everyone's like cheering and they're groaning. And so I'm
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: feeding off the energy. And when I went back and
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: watched it, it was like, oh my gosh, no, no, no, no, no, right?
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: Like I'm also getting traffic, right? Like I have a
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: producer in my ear, reset, like all of these things, right? So,
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: you know, like a million things are happening at once,
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: which is fine. We're used to that. But when I
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: went back to watch it, I was like, oh man,
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: my tone was just wrong. Like my tone was off
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: because I was broadcasting for sort of the energy that
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: was around me. but there was millions of people at
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: home and it was in their living room and it
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: was tense and it was like, and all of that
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: could have breathed so much more. And my energy just
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: didn't meet that particular moment. And that's okay. Like, again,
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: I went in with like no information or blueprint because
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: no one's literally done this before. We just didn't know
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: what it would feel like. And now that I've seen
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: something like this, you know, I sort of laughed and
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: I'm like, I said yesterday when I was talking to
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: Awful Announcing, like, you kind of go, man, if I
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: had another crack at it, but it's like, whoever is
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: going to do something like that.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Again, right?
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: It was such a unique situation. So yeah, like I'm
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: trying not to beat myself up too bad. I'm critical
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: of myself always, but I think- you know, ultimately it
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: was still like a really tough thing to do. I'm
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: really proud of myself for attempting to do it, even
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: though I had, you know, no experience and no blueprint.
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: We were the control. And if Alex decides to climb,
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: I don't know, the Burj Khalifa or something, Um, I
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: think we would all do things differently, you know, uh,
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: and so namely me. So, you know, but you live
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: and you learn and it would listen, getting to do
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: this product, like getting dunked on, on social media is
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: like such a small price for getting to do this project.
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: It was so fulfilling and I'm not gonna let anybody
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: take that for me. I am sorry. I talked through it.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: I don't want to listen to myself talk for two
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: hours either. I get it. Even in radio, right. I
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: was able to break up my voice with song. So
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: I get it. Um, but yeah, I think. I hope
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: that people still revel in the actual like cinema of it.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: I mean, they got like cinematography level cameras. They didn't
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: get regular TV cameras. They like had to create a
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: rigging system bow. Like this was a logistical marvel how
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: they pulled this off to give what I think was
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: one of the most beautifully shot things. So watch it
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: and just like mute it if you don't want to
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: hear me. It's totally fine. You should just like still
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: watch it and just see this incredible feat.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: First of all, I admire your confidence in being able
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: to be like, yeah, you know what? Could have been
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: a little bit better, but I really enjoyed it. And
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: like the tone that you have in saying that is
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: truly something admirable to watch and observe. The other thing
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: that I thought was interesting in hearing you say it,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: and I thought is actually something a lot of people
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: who want to do this can learn from what you've said.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: And honestly, a lot of people who still do it
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: need to understand that it's kind of like the Star
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Spangled Banner. You can't start all the way up here
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: when you sing the Star Spangled Banner because that last
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: note is so high that you're never going to be
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: able to get there, right? And you're always stuck at
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: this height that makes it impossible for you to get
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: any higher.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: And a lot of people have that.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Like when I did Game Theory, a point that I
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: learned while doing it was that somebody would say to me, hey,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: give us more energy. By reflex, I would get louder
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: because that is the proxy for energy. But then you
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: don't give yourself anywhere to go when you do that, right?
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: You can't start at a 10.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: And so for something like that, you're... it only makes
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: sense that you start high, but then it's like, damn,
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: we going to be here the whole time. Like I
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: once watched an ACDC concert on YouTube and that shit
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: was great for like 25 minutes, but I can't keep
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: up ACDC energy for two hours.
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: It was just too much. I had to turn it off.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: Absolutely. It has to build. It really does. And, and
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: you know, I, I super recognize like that. I was
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: also dealing with like just the, anxiety of like, again,
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: I've built a bit of an affection for Alex and like,
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: you know, five minutes before we go on air, you know,
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: this lovely woman walks over and hands me a, you know,
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: a card and That's just sitting on my lap the
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: whole time. That was a reminder that every time he
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: made one of those moves that he could die and
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: I would have to pop on camera.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: And, you know, when I get nervous or anxious, I
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: just like I'm a fast talker. And you know that
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: about me. I really tried to intentionally slow down when
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: I'm broadcasting. But in that moment, I just like talked
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: through it. You know, it's like so.
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: So I get it. You know, I but it is
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: it's a lesson, too, for broadcasters that like you have
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: to remember who you're broadcasting to. And you have to remember,
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: you know, the tension and all of those things were innate.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: You know, I didn't have to tell you how dangerous
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: it was. It was clear how dangerous it was.
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: So it's just more about like getting out of the way.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: And I was intentional about getting out of the way
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: at the end. I wanted to do that one line
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: of like, you know, Alex Honnold's done it. He's made history.
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: And then I laid out for like five minutes, seven minutes, maybe,
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: you know, so I tried to to at the end
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: sort of get my mic green on and get out
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: of the way. But I definitely needed to do it
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: a lot earlier. And as soon as I started watching
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: it back, I was like, oh, yeah, this is I
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: started here, and I stayed there the entire time. Just
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: didn't fit.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Had the Broncos already lost yet?
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: No.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: Okay. I mean, I know you had that on your mind.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: Damn, I'm taking all kinds of L's.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: I knew you had that on your mind. Like, Brian
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: and I talked about this.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: We were like, somewhere right now, it's 6 o'clock in
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: the morning in Taiwan, and L is at some bar screaming,
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: and the people around don't know what's happening.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: No, they didn't have any, they did not have any
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: Broncos football, nothing. So I was getting like live texted
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: by my mom and Omar, my husband, the entire time, like,
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: you know, and, and their, their interpretations of the games
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: are so funny. You know, my mom is like a
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: true Broncos fan. Omar doesn't care. He's a Falcons fan. Still,
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: he is still on the narcotic boat. And so she's like,
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: you know, that mother decided to go for it. That
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: got that, you know, and, Omar's like, man, Sean Payton
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: out here, Sean Payton-ing. And I knew exactly what that meant.
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: That's all he had to say. So I'm just getting
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: like live texts. And listen, I had no expectation to win,
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: but it's one of those where you go in super
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: chill because you're like, whatever, we're not going to win
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: this game. We're playing with Jarrett Stidham. And then you
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: have like a few opportunities to win the game. And
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: so you get like really invested and then you get
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: more pissed. But yeah, it is what it is, man.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Hey, since you brought it up and I forgot about this.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: Is Omar one of these Falcons fans that is down
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: on the Stefanski hire in the name of Dion and Shador?
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: Literally, this is what he said when I was like, oh,
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: what do you think about Stefanski? He went, and then
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: he just walked out of the room. So that's his
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: level of investment at this point in the Falcons. Like,
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: you know, listen, we all know where this is headed.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: You know, two years, fired again. Like, I don't know.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: where do you weigh in on that? Like, do you
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: believe that you'd have to believe Falcons fans are invested
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: enough to care to be outraged?
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: So what I think I find most interesting about this
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: is the idea that there could still be this level
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: of investment in Dion Sanders, right?
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: Because, okay. Dion is Dion is Dion is Dion is Dion, right?
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The thing about talking to somebody who did some
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: work in Atlanta back in the day and they said
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: from out of town, it said the point that that
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: was interesting to them was that because Atlanta had done
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: so little winning, who the stars were that people embraced
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: were not about whether or not they won anything, because
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: that means you wouldn't care about anybody. Right.
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: So Dominique Wilkins, who's I mean, that's my guy. Dominique
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: Wilkins never got past the second round of the playoffs.
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Deion, who is interesting because he's also a Braves guy,
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: at a time when, for lack of a.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: Better term, we'll call it the culture, still really cared
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: about the Braves, right?
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: It's big, it's giant, it's everything else.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Stefanski clearly did not want to play Shador Sanders, but
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: Shador Sanders also stunk. Like, I don't know why people can't, like,
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: take that. So we can't have him coaching our other
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: black quarterback.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: Look what he did to Shador. Hey, man, stop.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Yup.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: Stop. Stop doing that. Like, I don't know. Maybe he'll
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: be good. Maybe he won't.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: I don't think it was a particularly a situation that
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: was really conducive to winning up there, especially after they
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: went and got Deshaun Watson on nasty ass and then
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: he was terrible and then he was hurt and then
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: they had to go to everybody else.
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: But.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: It is.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: The locals are holding. They're going to want some results
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: from that man very, very, very quickly. And if something
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: happens and like Kirk Cousins is still there and it's
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Stefanski and Cousins and they start off four and one, shit,
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: it might tear the country, the whole city apart.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: It might be like when Vic got arrested. That bad?
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: Damn.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying the way they out here riding in
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: the name of Dion.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think, you know, when it comes to the,
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: to black people caping for like Shador, we, we, I
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: love us in so many ways, but we won't, won't
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: we like make excuses and defend someone? We just do.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: If we decide that we're going to like go hard
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: for you, I mean, you know who we are. Like when,
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: when one of us is being attacked for being who
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: they are, we have a tendency to like overlook a
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: lot of evidence and just kind of go with like, well,
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: we're blaming this person or we're blaming that person, right? Like, God,
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: there's nothing more evident of that than like OJ Simpson
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: or like, I don't know, Kanye West. It was the
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: Kardashians that turned him into a racist. It's like, nope,
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: it wasn't any of that. So like, we will always
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: find a way to blame somebody else when we want
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: to sort of like defend someone. I do think that like,
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: it was all the innuendo around Shador, I think is
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: where people got creative with the stories because there was
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: a lot of it. There was like some, you're right.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: Like he, he looked bad at a lot of times
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: and he also looked good at times. He looked like
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: he had something there, you know, he looked like a
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: lot of other rookie quarterbacks, but it was just all
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: of the innuendo about certain decisions and the stories that
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: would get leaked that really were a breeding ground for
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: all of these conspiracies. And, you know, and so I
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: think there's a little bit of truth in both sides,
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: but like the, the, I just still have a hard
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: time believing that like, but like, so, okay. So they're
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: upset about the hire, but like, what are they going
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: to do? They're like, not going to go to the games.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: Like you're either going to go to the games. You're
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: either compelled after what you've seen the last 10 years
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: to still go to these games. If you're still going
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: to Falcons games after what you've witnessed over the last
• 29:20
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• 29:26
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• 29:28
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• 29:30
  Speaker 3: don't really care who's the coach if you've been supporting
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: all this time.
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  Speaker 2: It's been bad.
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  Speaker 5: All right.
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  Speaker 2: We got more with El Duncan coming up next.
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  Speaker 2: All right, we are back with L.
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  Speaker 5: Duncan.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: I want to ask you about this. I didn't tell
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: you we were going to talk about this, but I
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: didn't imagine it would be a problem. You let me
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: know if it is. I thought it was very interesting
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: that on your last day at ESPN, you made it
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: a point to basically be like, hey, no, it ain't
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: so bad over here, right? Like ESPN, and you know,
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: I worked at ESPN for a better part of 20 years.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: And it's funny, after you leave, people expect you to
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: be really mad for whatever reason. And for me, I
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: was like, wow, you guys may be kind of rich
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: and a little bit famous.
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: I hate you for that. No, not really. Yeah. Yeah.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: I just feel like, I don't know. I feel a
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: lot of like no place is perfect. I really felt
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: compelled because I just, I got so tired of the
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: entire time I was here. Somebody on air would do
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: something or say something. And sometimes a lot of times
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: it was me and there would just sort of be
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: this monolithic approach of like criticism, like they, you know,
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: like they, as if ESPN is just like this, like,
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: you know, this, the absurdity of like, that we all
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: get together with an agenda of who we should be
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: like talking shit about. It's so weird and it's wacky.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: And you know, you worked there. Like it's filled with
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: a lot of really hardworking people who have really dedicated
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: themselves to, in a lot of situations, a thankless job
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: and who are wonderful people. So I just wanted to
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: find a way to shout them out and remind people
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: that like, when you're taking issue with stuff that people
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: on air say or do, like you're also like, taking
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: aim at people that just don't deserve it. So, but
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: I think in general, like I always err on the
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: side of gratitude. I've had some breakups that like, I'll
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: never really talk about with like different networks and have
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: talked about a little bit in the past, but things
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: that have happened, grievances that I've had, things that I'll
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: probably say for a book one day, or maybe a
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: show that I write where you'll go, these stories can't
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: be true. And I'm like, oh, they're very true. These
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: are all based on a true story. But I just
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: think in general, like, I wouldn't have had the opportunity
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: to go to Netflix without all of the things that
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: ESPN gave me. They took a risk on me. I
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: didn't have like, I had two years of experience doing
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: sports when they hired me. Like they did not have
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: to give me a shot. And they did. And then
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: they kept promoting me and giving me more shit. Like
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: I can't, how can I be upset with them? You know,
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: like you always wish that, you know, things could have
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: gone a little bit differently or you wouldn't have left, right?
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: The relationship. But this is as close to like a
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: Gwyneth Paltrow, Chris Martin conscious uncoupling. Like, we're cool. You know,
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: like we're we're all good. Like, I think, you know
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying? It's all good on this side.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: Now, ESPN, I think you made an interesting point there
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: of when people talk about what ESPN is, it means
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: something different to just about everybody. So if you're an
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: uninvolved party. the entity is the entity, right? No matter
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: what you want to decide is ESPN, you can kind
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: of decide. When you work there, it kind of breaks
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: down into different individuals.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: Who is this? Who is that? Whatever it is.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: I found for a significant stretch of time when people
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: were really, what they didn't like about ESPN, there was
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: one person who absolutely embodied that, and that was Norton.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: That was the one. When people had their, I want
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: to say what I don't like about ESPN, and you
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: wanted to put a face to it, he was willing
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: to be that face too, but it was Norton. That guy,
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: that guy don't even work there anymore. Like there's nobody
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: in my head that I could think about when I
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: look at the place and be like.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: Oh, this is the person.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: And it does hit people on the way out really
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: hard because I think that people go into it loving
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: ESPN so much. Like it is the brand that everybody
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: believes belongs to them. in some form or fashion. And
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: something like that can never live up to it, no
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: matter what. Because once you get in there, somebody going
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: to do something you don't like. Like something I realized,
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: or I read in this book that made a very
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: good point, which is what it takes for you to
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: say you love somebody forever Just think about what those
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: things are. Now think about what it takes for you
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: to say, I ain't never going to speak to them again.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: That second one is so much smaller.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Like someone has to do something to save your child's life, right?
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: Your house was on fire.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: And they went and called the fire department and they
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: broke out the water hose. That's what it takes for
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: you to love them forever.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: Hate you? She thinks she cute. That's all it is.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: And then boom, you never ever speak again.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: So when you go work at a place, no matter
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: what the place is, that last part typically gets people.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: And this is also for people as viewers and as
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: the way that they receive the people that they see
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: on screen. It takes so little for people to check
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: out on it, but to be on it, even people
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: who work there, like I said, I can tell you
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: what happened with my time at ESPN, everything changed.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: And I mean that in a good way.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: And it still surprises people that my outlook on it
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: is not, man, fuck that. Right.
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: I mean, listen, I also like, I always said this too,
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: whenever there would be stories that would come out about
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: ESPN or treatment of women or, you know, really anybody
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: at ESPN. And I would always say, I am not
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: invalidating anybody's story at all. Again, I know this place
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: is not perfect. I'm not like you know, an idealist
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: in that way, but like my experience was really good.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know what I mean? Like I, it
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: was like, I don't, I wish that I had something
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: more salacious or, you know, it really, for me was
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: just getting to a place in my life where I
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: was like, man, I feel like in many ways I'm
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: on a little bit of a treadmill. And it was like,
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: I just wanted to see, and it was the amount
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: of work to still feel like I was sort of
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: doing the same things that I very much enjoyed, by
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: the way. But I just, you know, when you do
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: those things at ESPN, there is no opportunity to sort
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: of look around and say, is there anything else that
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: might be interesting to me? You know, I've been wanting
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: to write like a pilot for a show for a
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: long time. And I've, you know, gotten it very, very
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: close and things like that. But I don't have the bandwidth,
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: the energy to do any of those things because I
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: was sort of on the perpetual cycle. And that's the
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: way that you succeed at ESPN is you try to
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: do as much as you can, as much as possible.
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: Your value is your volume, right? Like everybody knows it.
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: As much as you can work, the better. And you
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: get it. Like they got a lot of content hours
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: to fill. Like, so I get it, you know? And
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: it just got for me, like up to a point
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: where I was like, man, I don't know if I
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: might be a good writer. I don't know, because I've
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: never had the chance. I don't know if I want
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: to go do something outside of sports and host a
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: reality show or host a skyscraper live. I don't know if,
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: you know, I'll be good at like just chilling and,
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: and being like lot room mom. And like, I don't know,
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: I don't know any of those things, Bo, but what
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: I do know is that I am not currently feeling
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: very fulfilled at what my life looks like right now.
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: Like that I knew, I knew for sure something had
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: to change and I just chased the unknown. And like,
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: And I really respected ESPN for giving me the send-off
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: that they did. That was rare. I was humbled. It
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: was almost like getting eulogized. It's about being alive. I
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: was like, oh, wow, and overwhelming. It was really wonderful.
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: And they were wonderful about me leaving. And they understood
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: because they just knew they couldn't compete in terms of opportunity,
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: no exclusivity. So the ability to go work with a
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: lot of different partners and chase a lot of different
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: avenues if I want. And then a ton of time
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: at home, just a chance to be, have full autonomy
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: over my schedule. It's the first time in my professional career,
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: I have the ability to work as much or as
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: little as I want. And it's great.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: It is a consuming world. Like the way you describe
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: it is interesting is your volume is your value. There's that,
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: but there's also the other part of that, since it
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: is the center of the sports media ecosystem and, you
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: can almost forget about how much else is out there, right? Like,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: it is the, in our world, it is the making it, right? Like,
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: you are at ESPN, regardless of what the capacity is
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: that you serve in. Now, once you get in there,
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: then you find out there's levels, right? There's levels inside
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: whatever it is. But once you get there, there is
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: this feeling of making it that happens. And when you
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: get to a place where you describe where you don't,
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: feel fulfilled. And in my time, I don't think while
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: I worked there, I ever really got to that place.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: But I applaud you for being able to look at
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: it and realize like, no, I got to do a
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: little something else because.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: A lot of people.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: For understandable reasons, get a little bit like nervous about
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: the idea of walking away from an institution that's so big,
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: especially when you get to a place where you're comfortable
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: and you feel like they'll keep rolling you over. But
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: I imagine that once you got out and for me
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: doing stuff at HBO, I kind of felt this you
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: do get into other stuff and be like, oh man,
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: there is actually a whole lot of this business that
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: I had not gotten a hold of. Like you had
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: worked in other, in a, I think a little bit
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: of a wider range of places than I had at
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: that point. But both of us had never done anything
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: that was on the scale or magnitude of ESPN. Then
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: when you get out to what some of this other
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: stuff is, you're like, oh man, I didn't know this
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: other stuff was here.
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: Like you nailed it 100%. And like, you know, people
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: that don't work there anymore will tell you that, but
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: There is this sort of imposter syndrome part of you
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: that's like, well, maybe ESPN is the only one that
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: saw it and they get me and they understand me,
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: which is why they are giving me all of these things.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: And maybe I don't really have that much cachet or... Maybe,
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: maybe like nobody even knows who I am and I'm
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: going to have to like start back at the bottom
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: and like, you know, try to pitch myself. And then
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: you get out and you realize that people just weren't
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: reaching out to you because they knew you weren't available,
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: you know, um, because they knew you couldn't work with
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: them because you had exclusivity and you get out and
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: it's like, I've got to be honest. I've had more
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: interesting meetings in the last like month since like the
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: news came out that I was leaving than I have
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: in the last, you know, 10 years. Um, with just
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: a lot of different avenues and a lot of different
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: like spaces for creativity. And it's really cool and feels
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: rewarding that, you know, you can, you can leave. I
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: remember that though, the best thing that happened to me,
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: Bo was getting laid off at V one Oh three.
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: Like it really, really was because I was having those
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: same feelings of, you know, I know I wanted more. I,
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: you know, I never wanted to, and I just say, just,
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: I don't mean it in a disrespectful way, but I
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: never wanted to only be a radio personality. I wanted
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: to be, on sport, on television, doing sports. Like that
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: was the goal. But I got into it and I
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: was okay at it and they kept giving me jobs.
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: And before you knew it, I was eight years in
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: and I really lulled myself to sleep. And they laid
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: me off in such a surprising way. And it really like,
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: it really changed me at a cellular level because I
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: remembered at that point feeling like I would never get
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: another job again, that that was the only opportunity I had.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: that I was going to starve, you know, this scarcity mentality. And,
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: you know, fast forward, I did okay after I got
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: laid off. And I reminded myself then the same thing
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: that I reminded myself when I was leaving and transitioning
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: from ESPN. You know, you take your talent with you
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: and everything that you learned is foundational and fundamental to
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: the next place. But like, you can't be afraid and
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: you'll never know. And I also felt like I have
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: such a great relationship with ESPN that but like people
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: have come back to ESPN after they've had the face
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: of their company, Stephen A left.
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: So, you know, I was hopeful that if we had
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: a really great like ending that if there was ever
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: a time that I did, you know, decide like, okay,
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: I've looked around, I've seen the landscape and like, it's
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: ESPN for me that there would be an opportunity to
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: go back. But I just, I had to see Bo,
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: like it was my first time being a proper free
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: agent and I just wanted to see.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: Well, let me tell you what else you're going to see.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: And I think you've probably gotten a handle on this
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: and I figured this out on my, on my end.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: they put me in a lot of really great positions
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: and let me do not just really cool stuff, but
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: stuff that was important to them.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: Right. But at the same time, ESPN, they run a system. Okay.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: Like they are like one of these teams where it's like,
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: we got a system and we'll put you in that system.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: Every now and then you get some people that get
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: to run their own plays and call they on number
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: on number, but by and large, they are viewing everybody
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: by where you exist in their system, which is, a
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: reasonable thing for them to do.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: They've had a highly successful system, right? Right.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: But I realized not too long after I got out
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: of there and even in the later parts, I was like, oh, no, no, no, no, no.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: They didn't really get me at all, to be honest.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: They got me a lot. They got parts of me.
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: But if a place is thinking about how they get
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: you to work in the system that they have, there's
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: only so much of you that they are even thinking
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: to look at. And there's certain things that you may
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: be capable of or that you want to do. But
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: that's not that's not what they're asking of you.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: They're like they haven't thought of it because that's not
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: something that they think of. And so next thing you know,
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: you what you doing a thing with the man climbing
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: the building.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: Next thing I know, I'm doing calling the show HBO,
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: for example, and things like that. And that is not again,
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: that is not an indictment of ESPN. But I do
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: know for you and it's going to be interesting to watch.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: You're going to have the opportunity to do so many
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: cool things because the people who do cool things, they
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: all watch ESPN. Like that's the other part. All these
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: places and there's zillions of things that you might be
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: able to do. And it's a result of the fact
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: that they watch ESPN and they saw you there and
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: were like, hey, you want to give this a try?
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, why not? Worst that could happen is we do
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: a meeting and it doesn't go good. Right. Like, oh, damn,
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: I lost 30 minutes.
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: Absolutely. You're right. Like a lot of these like sort
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: of production companies and things that I've been meeting with
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: are like, I'm a big sports fan, you know, I
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: love blah, blah, blah. So you're absolutely right. And I
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: think that's, what's so interesting is that like, you go
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: to these like, you know, Hollywood-ish type events and all
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: of these like famous actors and actresses are there. And
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: the sports people are always like the redheaded stepchildren, please
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: excuse me to all the redheaded listeners. I love you. Um,
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: But like, you know, we're kind of like the black
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: sheep a little bit. It's like, who are you? Like,
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: you know, they don't know who we are. And that's fine.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: Like, why would we?
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: We're not the actual athlete. Like, it's all good. But
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: then you realize that like sports does have reach. ESPN
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: has a ton of reach. That's what I'm saying. That's
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: why I'm so rooted in gratitude. Like, I don't have
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: the opportunities that I have if I didn't have a
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: showcase there. And they did put me on big stuff.
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: But I think to your point, like, you know, um,
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: people keep asking me, like, in fact, they asked me
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: yesterday on the podcast, like, do you want to, what
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: were spaces that you didn't get a chance to work
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: at at ESPN that you wanted to? And I was like,
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: you know, football for sure. You know, it was always
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: sort of an aim to me. It's my favorite sport.
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: I love football. Um, and, and let's be real at ESPN,
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: like all their most important people are on football. So
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: you got to get on football to be one of
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: their most important people. But the hard part about that
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: is all their most important people are on football already.
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: So it's really hard to break through. And I think
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: like ESPN just has like a ton of talent and
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: you're right. Like they have a zillion people and it's
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: not that I don't, you know, um, you know, rebel
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: competition because I think colleagues that are great and inspirational
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: keep you fine. Like I work with so many people
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: where I'm like, I've got to be better. Like I'm
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: going to do a hit with me to times, you
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: know what I mean? Like, so, um, Um, all of
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: that is great, but it's just like not in my
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: DNA to go after things that are already occupied. And
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: that's difficult to do at a place like that because
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: everything's occupied. So, you know, I got women's basketball because
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: Maria left.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: So, um, and I was, I was so grateful to
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: have that opportunity. Um, but it's like you go to
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: a place, uh, like Netflix who, yeah, they don't have
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: the profile yet. But they're building and you get a
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: chance as a broadcaster to, again, stretch, push yourself, do
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: major events like, you know, we just announced the Tyson
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: Fury fight.
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: So like that's going to be happening in April. I'll
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: be doing that. I've got baseball coming up, like getting
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: a chance to just immerse yourself for these like major events.
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: That's like. that's kind of the dream for me. You
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: know what I mean? As opposed to like committing to
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: 182 days of doing it. It's like, I love baseball.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: I do.
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: I'm a baseball girl. I grew up playing baseball, but
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: at ESPN, if you wanted to do anything for baseball,
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: you had to do everything for baseball.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: And like, so I think this, this current sort of
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: like model that Netflix is under is like perfect for
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: me because I get to dabble in all of these
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: things that I love without having to like commit to
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: their whole season, you know?
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: It just dawned on me. They're going to make you
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: do something with Jake Paul.
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: I've interviewed Jake Paul. He was quite pleasant. He was
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: quite pleasant.
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: He was not.
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: He wasn't pleasant to you. He was pleasant to me.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: I'll send you some links. You'll send me a clip.
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: I feel like all I have to do is Google it.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can. That's all.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: Me and him, it was a thing, man. I tell
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: you this, boy. What's his name? Anthony Joshua, who apparently...
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: It was very interesting when that fight was streaming because
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: apparently the young ladies of America had not heard of
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: Anthony Joshua yet.
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: They didn't know how fine he is.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they got a hold of him.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: They saw what time it was. And meanwhile, he had
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: that boy, Joel Sprewells. He hit Jake Paul and broke
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: his jaw up, man, had that thing in slow motion.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: I'm surprised he ain't choke on his jaw because it
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: wrapped around his neck.
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: It looks crazy, yes.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: Just tug his ass up. I can't believe... I was
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: just thinking about that. How much money he made for
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: that fight?
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you could show me a video
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: of somebody getting their jaw spun around their face and
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: tell me, okay, you willing to do that for $ 30 million?
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, yes and no. All right.
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: I mean, I would probably do it. I think he
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: got a lot more than $ 30 billion too. Listen, I
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: give him credit for that. Like everybody gave him a
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: lot for, you know, fighting nobodies and retired dudes and
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: postal workers. Anthony Joshua was like, for real, for real.
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: He knew he had no shot.
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: He knew he was in for an ass whooping and
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: like he took one, but he knew it and he
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: knew he was going to.
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: And so I give him credit, you know?
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've really watched that as it happened and I
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: was saying to myself, Would you... Just going out there
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: knowing this about to happen.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: And like.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: He had the option of doing what I.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: Probably would have done which was why are we belaboring
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: this right just give me one good one right here
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: right in the forehead yeah yeah I'd be out there
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: like when you go watch that Michael Mike Tyson Michael
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: Spinks fight and it is very clear before this gets
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: started Michael Spinks is like okay We ain't got to
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: do this for very long. There's no need for me
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: to like, why am I getting my ribs broken?
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: Right. Not just my jaw, my ribs.
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: He's like, not worth it.
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: Nah, nah.
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: Wasn't no part of that. Wasn't no part of that.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: So what else you got going? We got anything coming up?
• 49:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm, heading out to the Super Bowl next week.
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: Like I'm now on my, you know, now that I
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: have all this time on my hands. By the way,
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: I'm telling you that all these dudes are like, I'm
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: going here to hang out with this tribe and like,
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: you know, go add a water filtration system to an
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: orphanage and wherever. They're like, what about you, Elle?
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: I'm like, um.
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: I'm going to go make these grilled cheese sandwiches. I'm
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: going to be, I'm going to be at fun max
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: on Saturday at a birthday party. Uh, but no, I'm,
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: I've got like, I'm doing a lot of, you know,
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: hosting brunches. I'm a lady who brunches now. Um, so
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: I've got a brunch that I'm hosting a sports power brunch.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: Oh, you're doing the power brunch.
• 50:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: I crashed the power brunch one year.
• 50:40
  Speaker 5: Did you?
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: I heard it's a great event.
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: It is a great event. I have an amazing story.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you about that later. But yeah, I just,
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: somebody told me, Jasmine was like, hey, we're at this brunch.
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: Why don't you pull up? I said, okay. I didn't
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: know it was such a big deal.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: So I show up in a hoodie and sweats. I'm
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: wrinkled as I tend to be. And I just show
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: up and I'm like, oh, this is a big thing.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: I was just hanging in the back.
• 51:00
  Speaker 5: Oops.
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, but no, look.
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: If you act like you're supposed to be there, so
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: will everybody else.
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: 100%.
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: They'll be like, he must be a basketball player.
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: No, no, no. Once I got a little closer, I
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: was Beaumont Jones.
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: Oh, there it is.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: Like, what's that happen? It was just like, oh, okay, cool.
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: I'm here as myself.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, nobody's going to come up and be like, sir,
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: you have to leave now. Never.
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: Absolutely not. Especially not at that event.
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: Plus, I got a long track record of crashing events. Like,
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: I was just thinking about the other day with me
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: and my homie James. This is now almost 25 years
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: ago when we snuck in the back door in California.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: We saw Bishop Don, Magic Wands, Cadillac in a parking garage.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: And so my man followed him. And then he calls
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: me because it's a long story. But he calls me
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: and he's like, this is a lingerie fashion show.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: Okay. So I'm waiting on a tow truck to come
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: because I had left my car door open, left the
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: lights on. And so my battery was out. So I
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: needed them to come turn it off.
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: So I was like, cool. Just once they came, started
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: the car, let it run, get it back up.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: We rolled up in that piece and it was a
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: lingerie fashion show.
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: And the bishop had like two of them on each arm.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: Right. I'm wearing a gap hoodie, some khaki cargo pants
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: and some.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: Beat up Timbs. I'm 22 years old. And I'm just like,
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: but we here now because it's LA. I could have
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: been anybody. Don't tell it who I was. Just post
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: it up.
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: Oh my goodness. Was there a pimp cup?
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: Of course.
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: I love sneaking in stuff.
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: How did you break it? How did you sneak in?
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: He somehow found a back door. Wow.
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: He saw somebody like come out the back door and
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: then he got in the back door.
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: And then I was like, all right, I'm on the way.
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: And he pulled up.
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, that's the part I don't quite remember.
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: But like, and he was 18. Like we have no,
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: I love being in a room that I have no
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: business being in. That's a great feeling when that happens.
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: See, this is the difference in our, in our upbringings.
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: Cause like when you mentioned like breaking into stuff, I'm like, Oh,
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: me and my friends used to do the backdoor thing
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: at the movie theater. You're like, you know, the direct
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: movie theaters have the direct access outside, right? Oh, you
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: go buy one ticket and then you just open that
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: door and you let your six friends in.
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: It was amazing.
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: Did you do that as well?
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: Uh, yeah, I got a long, long, You know, my
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: mama listened to this, so she's about to.
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: No, no, no.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: She can learn retroactively about a few things, but no,
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: I've figured out, I've told many times over the years
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: about the time that we snuck into the Super Bowl
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: at the Georgia Dome.
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: How did you sneak into a Super Bowl? Now that's
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: like Ocean's Eleven level.
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: That's good.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: I was this close and I will tell people this
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: before we roll out because this is one of my
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: favorite stories ever. So I was with my homie Lurch
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: and the thing you got to understand about Lurch was
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: Lurch's email address was klepto Dot dot dot at Yahoo
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: dot com.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: And he lived that he lived that life.
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: That's what he was proudly stealing shit.
• 53:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And looking back on it, he probably had a disorder.
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: But like, it was amazing how natural I for help,
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: like stealing and backdoor stuff was right.
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: But he was in the band at Clark.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: And the band had an arrangement that they would volunteer
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: for events at the Georgia Dome. So every Falcons game,
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: if you were in the band, you could go say
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: you were volunteering, you do some work there and you
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: got to go to the Falcons game. But also they
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: were able to do it for the SEC championship game.
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: So this was the year the Titans and the Rams
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: played in the Super Bowl. and we decided to give
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: it a try. My man gave me a band T-shirt
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: so I could act like I was in the band,
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: and we was about to go see if the band
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: volunteering thing goes. Now, the thing is, man, you know,
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: I'm a bit of a square in this regard. I
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: do generally what I'm supposed to do. You know, I
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: enjoy a little mischief, but, you.
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: Know, my game isn't just I'm not lurch.
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: And you'll understand what I mean when I say that
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: we go and I'm waiting in line and we about
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: to figure out this volunteer thing and he goes to
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: the front of the line.
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: I forget what happens. And then he comes back and
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: is like, no, we're in the wrong line. We need
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: to go to the other line. I'm like, all right, cool.
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: So we go. We in the other line. I'm waiting
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: with him. He goes to the front. He's doing something
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: like this and I don't understand what's going on. And
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: he comes back to me and he.
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: Goes, Charles Greer. I'm like, what? He's like, Charles Greer,
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: John Wilson.
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: I'm like, what are you talking about? And so he's
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: ahead of me and they're like, what is your name, sir?
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: He goes, John Wilson. And they look on the page
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, John Wilson, here we go. Hit
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: it with a highlighter and they gave him a bunch
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: of stuff like the costume that you wear to be
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: a vendor, right? So they gave him his costume. So
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: they come to me and they're like, what's your name?
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: I said, Charles Green. And they look on the list
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: and they're like, I don't see Charles Green. And I
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: look and I see what happened. I had the name wrong.
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: I say, no, it's Charles Greer, Greer. And I go, oh, okay.
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: And she looks and she goes, oh, Charles Greer. She
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: hits it with the highlighter. She hands me the stuff
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: and it's on and popping, man. We take a couple
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: of steps. Next thing I know, some big dude with
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: a blazer on and a key ring around his belt.
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: He stopped and put his hand on my chest and
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: he says to me, wait a minute, what's your name?
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: I said, Charles Greer. He goes, You're not Charles Greer. Now,
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: the problem, of course, is I am not Charles Greer.
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: He was correct. He had that with all the money.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: And since I did not leave my house planning to
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: tell lies and we were just cooking up this plan
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: along the way, I didn't have a backup. All I
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: knew is that when he got on that walkie. It
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: was time for me to walk. You understand what I'm saying?
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: You got to run.
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 56:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: I got to get out of here. Like I wasn't
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: going to run because running is going to be too much,
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: but I needed to have a here, hold the stuff.
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: I'm out of here.
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: Like, like this is a fun story if I don't
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: go to jail. So I walk it. And my man,
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: because he is who he is, is like, no, no, no.
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: We can go around this way. I'm like, man, I'm
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: going home. Right.
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: I'm done.
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: What are you talking about? Like I gave it the
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: old college try. And I was this close though.
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: This close.
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: So you left after that, right?
• 57:10
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: I was going to say, no, one scare. You tip
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: fate once. You don't do it twice. Your friend sounds
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: like your friend currently incarcerated.
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: Nobody. It could have been.
• 57:22
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: I was going to say.
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: Last time I checked, he was preaching.
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: Oh, so not.
• 57:27
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: So got it, all right.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: But no, it was a- When the Venn diagram, there's a.
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no. It was a dicey
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: situation at that point. I was just kind of like, no, no, no.
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: That's so scary.
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: He chose the one name where the guy was like, no,
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: I know Charles Greer.
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: You know him.
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: Exactly. But this is the thing, right? This dude was
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: from New Jersey.
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: It's a different situation to A, when your parents actually
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: live in the city like mine do, right?
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: Did.
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: And number two, and this is very important, out of
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: my friends, I was the one that had money. Like
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: if I needed to get to pass, they had to
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: get me out of jail. The friends are not going
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: to be able to help me get out of here.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: The girlfriend perhaps could, probably would not. And we're not
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: calling Mac and Barbara about this at all.
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: You're not. This is there's there's.
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: Like this is compared to some of the things my
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: brother did. This is low on the list, but we're
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: still not doing that. So I ran all that math
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: and I was like, how about we just go home?
• 58:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: Feels good to me. It's the prudent decision. And that's
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: why you are where you are. And well, he's preaching.
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: Yep, there we go. There we go.
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: That is Elle Duncan, who, by the way, got out
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: of ESPN and is staying in Connecticut.
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: Shout out to you, Omar. Shout out to you.
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: My favorite line you've ever told me about Omar is,
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: I moved to Boston for you. You can never say
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: anything else when the black man say, I moved to
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: Boston for you.
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: He's like, what else do you need for me to
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: show you my love? A black man moved willingly to
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: Boston in the winter.
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: In the winter.
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: Real love.
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: It's the truest love of my life. of all time.
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: 100% enduring.
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: All right, Elle Duncan, check her out at Netflix and
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: wherever else she's about to be.
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: Congratulations.
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: I was telling you, you are literally our favorite guest
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: to have here. So we are so glad that you
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: can come and continue to talk to us. And now
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: you got a little bit more free time on your hands.
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: I got a lot more time now, Bo. So when
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: you hit me up, you know, there's a greater than
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: good chance I will have the time to jump on.
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: I am here for it.
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: You know I love you. Tell them, Bo, who hit
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: who up about coming on today?
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: Elle hit me up.
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: Let me tell you, Elle hit me up. I told
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: Ryan that Elle hit me up. And the beam that
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: Ryan had on his face, we were like, see, she
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: loves us too.
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: I do love you guys.
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: Because I've been trying not to.
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: Press you because, you know, you have lots to do.
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: You got family. You got all those things. But I
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: told you, we would have you all here twice a week.
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: If we could.
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: The people are never happier to have anybody on than
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: they are when they know that you are on. And
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: I'm also curious to see, after you've done all that
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: ESPN volume and you've done this, you start off with
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: all them plans of all the things that you're going
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: to do, but you may wind up like me, who
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: I then decided I'm taking two years.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: Off of doing anything that I did not have to do. Like,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: I'm just coming back around, I realized.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: It's really nice. I mean, it is, I just, I mean,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: I'm looking forward and reveling in like what it feels
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: like maybe to be bored or like, you know, like I,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: it's just a feeling that I haven't in a really
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: long time. So, you know, this is just going to
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: be a period of like sort of growth for me.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: And I'm, I'm excited to just like, see what it
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: looks like.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: Hey man, bring the kids to New York too. I
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: had never got to meet the second one.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: I know you've never met Xander, the pinky in the brain.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: I will bring them.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: Cause I've got time. I got time.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? Just let me know. We
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: will be here.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
• 1:00:53
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• 1:01:16
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