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The Kenny Report | 1 May · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the skying New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me.
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  Speaker 3: Just one day of campaigning to come, and tonight I'll
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  Speaker 3: speak with Shadow Treasurer Angus Taylor and get for Labor
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  Speaker 3: Minister Joel Fitzgibbons election prediction plus campaigning marred by a
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  Speaker 3: horrible homophobic attack by a Labor MP's father directed at
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  Speaker 3: a Liberal volunteer. I'll show you the weird way that
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  Speaker 3: Anthony Alberzi reacts to that. Also, the US and Ukraine
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  Speaker 3: sign a minerals deal while Donald Trump rips into a
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  Speaker 3: journo in a one on one interview.
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  Speaker 1: Joining me tonight.
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  Speaker 3: Also Susan lay the Liberals Deputy leader, former Foreign Minister
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  Speaker 3: Alexander Downer, Tim Blair and Mark Nicholson. Let's get cracking, yep,
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  Speaker 3: just that one more day of full campaigning. And of
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  Speaker 3: course this is the final Kenny Report before election day,
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  Speaker 3: after a campaign that's never really lifted off. The campaign
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  Speaker 3: has been disjointed, broken up by school holidays and long weekends,
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  Speaker 3: just as Anthony Albanezi and Labor would have wanted. Of course,
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  Speaker 3: the coalition started off poorly, holding back advertising and polities
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  Speaker 3: policies until the campaign was officially called then backflipping on
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  Speaker 3: work from home and not calling out Labour's lies early enough.
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  Speaker 3: So the divide between the major parties hasn't been.
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  Speaker 1: Clear enough early enough.
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  Speaker 3: For all that the Coalition promises a change of direction,
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  Speaker 3: the chance to pull the nation back from the precipice,
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  Speaker 3: the fiscal cliff, the energy disaster, the out of control immigration,
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  Speaker 3: and of course the endless expansion of government that Labor
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  Speaker 3: has delivered. And Labour will lose ground at this election.
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  Speaker 3: Surely that will be the case. Australian voters are not
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  Speaker 3: silly enough to reward Labor for this terrible governance by
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  Speaker 3: giving them more seats, we hope. While armchair experts criticize
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  Speaker 3: the Coalition campaign, there are other facts there's at play.
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  Speaker 3: The digital media environment, so much happening on social media
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  Speaker 3: and a polarized news media have shrunk the public square,
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  Speaker 3: and from Labor there's been blatant lies.
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  Speaker 1: If there was a theme for this election, it would
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  Speaker 1: be this. You want answers, I think I'm entitled.
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  Speaker 4: You want answer the truth? You can't handle the truth?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Labor decided that voters couldn't handle the truth about
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  Speaker 3: their records, so they went with lies.
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  Speaker 1: The PM this morning was clinging to the absolute border
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  Speaker 1: dash that the coalition's nuclear energy plan would cost a
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  Speaker 1: whopping six hundred billion dollars.
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  Speaker 4: Mate, you say this, it's not you know it's not.
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  Speaker 4: You know it is you know it's not. No, it's not.
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  Speaker 5: You've been caught out on this A lot you have
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  Speaker 5: been you have six I've saying this.
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  Speaker 4: A lot which has been for.
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  Speaker 1: Just incredible, shameless.
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  Speaker 3: Six hundred billion dollars is a fictitious number cooked up
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  Speaker 3: by a renewable energy lobby group that donates to Labor.
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  Speaker 1: It's five times.
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  Speaker 3: The estimate made by the CSIRO that's been backed up
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  Speaker 3: by Frontier Economics and more than fifty scientific, economic and
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  Speaker 3: environmental experts who have signed a letter calling that figure
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  Speaker 3: false by a factor of five. Yet Albaneasy continues.
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  Speaker 1: To use it.
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  Speaker 3: This is disgraceful, but so hopeless has this Labor government
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  Speaker 3: been that its main campaign strategy is to scare people
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  Speaker 3: against the opposition, and their dishonest ads warning of cuts
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  Speaker 3: are premised on that false six hundred billion dollar figure. So,
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  Speaker 3: according to the polls, it's worked at least in part.
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  Speaker 1: Remember this is what Labor promised last time.
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  Speaker 6: Power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars and
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  Speaker 6: seventy five dollars a year.
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  Speaker 3: Now that promise has been broken four or five times
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  Speaker 3: over as prices have increased instead by about one thousand
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  Speaker 3: dollars a year. Yet again we see another labor campaign
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  Speaker 3: based on lies. Albanezi has been lying so much that
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  Speaker 3: he can't help himself.
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  Speaker 1: Photos with everyone, Okay in the.
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  Speaker 7: Middle, I stepped back one step.
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  Speaker 6: I didn't fall off the stage, just one leg went down,
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  Speaker 6: but I was I was sweet.
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  Speaker 3: It sounds like he's trying to convince himself, doesn't it
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  Speaker 3: a bit like George Costanzo.
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  Speaker 8: Jerry, just remember.
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  Speaker 2: It's not a lie if you believe it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, there are many reasons when need a change of government,
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  Speaker 3: ending the expansion of government, controlling immigration, and trying to
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  Speaker 3: get our economic management back on track. But even more
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  Speaker 3: important than my view is that at a time of
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  Speaker 3: great strategic risk, we can't have a PM who apologizes
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  Speaker 3: for China cow taos to Beijing and struggles to deal
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  Speaker 3: with our.
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  Speaker 1: Alliance partner, the US.
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  Speaker 3: It's telling and worrying that the allegations of Chinese political
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  Speaker 3: interference in this election campaign are all in support of Labor,
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  Speaker 3: the tills, and the Greens. In other words, there are
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  Speaker 3: efforts allegedly orchestrated by Beijing to keep Albanesi in power. Secondly,
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  Speaker 3: and critically, there is the energy issue. If this election
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  Speaker 3: kills off a domestic nuclear energy industry or delays it
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  Speaker 3: for another decade or so, we'll all pay a heavy price.
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  Speaker 3: There's been no greater case of national economic self harm
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  Speaker 3: than the way this country, over the past three decades,
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  Speaker 3: under labor and liberal governments, state and federal, has surrendered
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  Speaker 3: its natural bounty of cheap, reliable energy.
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  Speaker 1: In a reckless rush to renewables.
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  Speaker 3: We've taken our greatest economic advantage and we've deliberately sabotaged it,
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  Speaker 3: giving ourself an energy price and supply crisis, just to
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  Speaker 3: please the United Nations and to play some emotive politics.
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  Speaker 3: It's created enormous economic damage, and it's done nothing for
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  Speaker 3: the environment because global emissions continue to rise. In fact,
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  Speaker 3: it's hurt the environment because renewables projects are rolling out
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  Speaker 3: all around the country, destroying the countryside.
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  Speaker 1: The switch to dense.
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  Speaker 3: Reliable, emissions free nuclear energy is so logical and necessary
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  Speaker 3: that I'm convinced it'll happen in Australia. Someday there's no
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  Speaker 3: way we'll get anywhere close to zero without it. You
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  Speaker 3: only have to look at what happened in Spain this
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  Speaker 3: week to see how unstable and risky are heavy dependence
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  Speaker 3: on renewables can be. We need base load power and
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  Speaker 3: if we don't want carbon emissions, the only answer is nuclear.
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  Speaker 3: The Coalition hasn't campaigned hard enough on this. Too many
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  Speaker 3: Australians don't understand where we're heading, that a renewables plus
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  Speaker 3: storage model hasn't worked anywhere else. In fact, no other
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  Speaker 3: country is stupid enough to even be trying it. Too
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  Speaker 3: many people believe Labour's lies. Peter Dutton made this concession
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  Speaker 3: about his campaign today.
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  Speaker 9: We should have called out Labour's lies earlier on. That's
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  Speaker 9: something I've commented on before. But again I think Australians,
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  Speaker 9: as time has gone on through this campaign and they've
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  Speaker 9: seen the negative ads and I'll see the posters etc.
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  Speaker 9: As they go to the polling boost, people are smarter
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  Speaker 9: than that.
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  Speaker 3: Now through the campaign, I've showed a number of crucial questions,
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  Speaker 3: whether people are better or worse off after three years
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  Speaker 3: of Labour, whether Labor has secured power and cut electricity prices,
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  Speaker 3: whether Labor is curbing spending, public service numbers and union power,
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  Speaker 3: and do they have security, defense and immigration under control. Also,
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  Speaker 3: would people prefer Labour's seventy cents a day tax cut
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  Speaker 3: in July next year or the Coalition's twenty five cents
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  Speaker 3: a leter off fuel tax immediately plus a twelve hundred
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  Speaker 3: dollars OFFSETTLE rebate for low and middle income earners. Now,
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  Speaker 3: the other question I raised was whether Labor has taken
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  Speaker 3: any responsibility for its failings, whether it would front up
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  Speaker 3: for interviews, and they haven't, just pathetic.
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  Speaker 1: Now, the polls have told a worrying story for the coalition.
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  Speaker 1: Throughout the campaign.
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  Speaker 3: On two party preferred terms, the Coalition clawed Labor clawed
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  Speaker 3: back its lead over two and a half years, and
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  Speaker 3: it went into this year at least level and in
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  Speaker 3: front in some polls. But during the campaign, instead of consolidating,
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  Speaker 3: they've fallen behind Labor. Labour's primary vote still hovers around
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  Speaker 3: record blows.
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  Speaker 1: Mind you, it's a pox on both.
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  Speaker 3: Their houses, and preferences from minor parties will play an
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  Speaker 3: influential role.
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  Speaker 1: I think the Coalition will do better than the.
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  Speaker 3: Polls suggest it'll be touch and go in many seats,
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  Speaker 3: and if the coalition can pick up ten to a
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  Speaker 3: dozen seats, they'll have put themselves within striking distance next time.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously they could go further and form government.
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  Speaker 3: But Albanizi has said he's all about winning majority government,
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  Speaker 3: so if he falls into minority government, he'll have failed
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  Speaker 3: by his own metric and he might start thinking seriously
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  Speaker 3: about Copa Cabana. Today's campaign, he has been marred by
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  Speaker 3: a horrible homophobic attack by a Labor MP's father directed
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  Speaker 3: at a Liberal volunteer. The Labour MP for Benelong in Sydney,
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  Speaker 3: Jerome Laxal, has issued a statement saying he loves his
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  Speaker 3: dad but his comments were deeply offensive and completely unacceptable.
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  Speaker 3: His father, Elaine, was seen arguing with a Liberal volunteer.
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  Speaker 4: As your boy friendship Lock gave audience.
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  Speaker 3: That's all will show you, but the homophobic slurs went
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  Speaker 3: further and got more offensive still. The MP himself today
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  Speaker 3: refused to speak with the Daily Telegraphs James Willis.
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  Speaker 7: I was there, I made the statements.
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  Speaker 8: And that's all.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't no jam.
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  Speaker 3: Given how horrible this was, it's hardly surprising that the
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  Speaker 3: PM was asked about it, but his response was desperate
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  Speaker 3: to say the least.
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  Speaker 6: You want me to speak to people about their family?
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  Speaker 6: I keep families out.
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  Speaker 4: Do you think it's appropriate?
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  Speaker 7: Do I think it's appropriate?
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  Speaker 6: I've answered your question. If you yell, it doesn't mean
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  Speaker 6: you get a different answer.
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  Speaker 4: But is it appropriate?
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  Speaker 6: That's the way we were what someone's family member. I
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  Speaker 6: don't talk about people's family.
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  Speaker 3: Hey on, don't get all mighty on this one. This
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  Speaker 3: is about a homophobic slur by a labor campaigner, a
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  Speaker 3: labor MP's father, no less, certainly a matter of public interest.
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  Speaker 3: But it got even worse the PM took the chance
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  Speaker 3: to swing the attack elsewhere.
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  Speaker 6: I don't attack people's families, is what I don't do.
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  Speaker 6: What I don't do, and I don't think people should.
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  Speaker 6: What I'm concerned about in terms of people handing out
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  Speaker 6: is the mass handing out of exclusive brethren or whatever
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  Speaker 6: they're calling themselves these times. You know, frankly, it doesn't
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  Speaker 6: stack up that hundreds of people have just happened to
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  Speaker 6: turn up at pollingb's, some traveling across state boundaries to
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  Speaker 6: hand out for the Liberal Party, wearing Liberal Party shirts. Now,
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  Speaker 6: what is the quid pro quo? Given that that organization
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  Speaker 6: doesn't vote in elections and given the views.
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  Speaker 1: That they have, here they go again.
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  Speaker 3: Labor seems intent on attacking some liberal volunteers on religious grounds.
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  Speaker 3: Remember we showed you the Labor MP for Paramatta doing
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  Speaker 3: this on the weekend.
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  Speaker 4: What are you going to do for us? Andrew?
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  Speaker 1: Are you a member of the exclusive?
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  Speaker 4: What are you going to do for us today? Andrew?
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  Speaker 4: Are you and what does religion have to do with volunteering?
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  Speaker 4: Are you going to answer my question? Are you going
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  Speaker 4: to answerm on? I'll take that as a note see later.
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  Speaker 1: Strange behavior, isn't it? Last time I checked?
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  Speaker 3: The Labor Party was supposed to believe in religious freedom,
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  Speaker 3: but they seem anything but tolerant of this particular Christian church. Now,
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  Speaker 3: the other big news today was the coalition unveiling its
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  Speaker 3: campaign costings, which show the budget bottom line improving by
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  Speaker 3: fourteen billion dollars over the next four years. But they're
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  Speaker 3: going to go deeper into deficit in the first couple
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  Speaker 3: of years. Our Shadow treasurer Angus Taylor.
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  Speaker 4: Why well, we're.
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  Speaker 10: Also reducing debt by forty billion dollars over that timeframe.
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  Speaker 4: That's important.
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  Speaker 10: Forteen billion dollar reduction in deficits, forty billion in debt,
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  Speaker 10: and what we're doing is balancing household budgets that have
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  Speaker 10: been wrecked under labor. We're sen the biggest reduction in
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  Speaker 10: our standard of living in history, Chris, and of course
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  Speaker 10: worse than any of our peer countries. And at the
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  Speaker 10: same time you've seen government budget deficits going over the
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  Speaker 10: cliff under labor. So those two things have got to
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  Speaker 10: be fixed in parallel. What we're doing is saying, let's
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  Speaker 10: help households out in the short term, and let's fix
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  Speaker 10: the government budget deficit in parallel with that. And that's
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  Speaker 10: what we're doing here, and what it means is we
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  Speaker 10: can get households back to where they need to be,
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  Speaker 10: get them on track, and at the same time move
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  Speaker 10: our overall budget deficit in the right direction, and do
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  Speaker 10: that in a way which is consistent with spending on
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  Speaker 10: real critical areas like defense. We've got a twelve point
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  Speaker 10: seven billion dollar extra spend in defense in those numbers.
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  Speaker 10: Make sure immigration is back where it needs to be,
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  Speaker 10: and that has a hit to the budget, but of
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  Speaker 10: course it hasn't helped households.
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  Speaker 4: It's made it worse.
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  Speaker 10: We've had immigration, which has been completely out of line
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  Speaker 10: with where it needs to be. So these things are
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  Speaker 10: a balance, but the net outcome is a fourteen billion
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  Speaker 10: dollar improvement in the budget position and a forty billion dollar.
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  Speaker 4: Reduction in gross debt.
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  Speaker 3: It's great to hear you talking today about shrinking the
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  Speaker 3: size of government. That is, reducing government as a share
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  Speaker 3: of the economy. At the moment, it's over twenty seven percent.
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  Speaker 3: Labor used to agree it needed to be below twenty
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  Speaker 3: five percent, which is where the Coalition has managed to
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  Speaker 3: get it a couple of times in recent decades. The
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  Speaker 3: trouble is, though, getting it back down to twenty five
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  Speaker 3: percent of the economy and getting the budget back into surplus.
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  Speaker 1: How far off could that be?
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  Speaker 10: Well, you know, it ultimately depends on how well the
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  Speaker 10: economy grows and whether you can contain the growth in
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  Speaker 10: spending at a slower rate and the growth in the economy.
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  Speaker 4: And that's what we're doing.
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  Speaker 10: We're re establishing that fiscal rule to grow the economy
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  Speaker 10: faster than spending and get the economy growing again. I mean,
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  Speaker 10: it has been a hopeless situation where we've seen twenty
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  Speaker 10: one months in a row where GDP per person has
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  Speaker 10: gone backwards with a rapid growth, a record growth in population,
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  Speaker 10: over a.
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  Speaker 4: Million people in just two years.
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  Speaker 10: Chris, We've got to get this back into balance, get
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  Speaker 10: the economy growing again. And we know then, on the
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  Speaker 10: back of the sensible elimination of waste we've announced today,
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  Speaker 10: we can get our budget back to where it needs
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  Speaker 10: to be and over time, with those rules, you get
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  Speaker 10: back to balance, and that's where we need to be.
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  Speaker 3: There's no doubt there's a lot of waste in government
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  Speaker 3: spending and as you say, you're suggesting pairing back the
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  Speaker 3: public service numbers, especially in Canberra.
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  Speaker 1: To get those savings, you're talking about hiring freeze.
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  Speaker 3: In the public sector and allowing at least forty one
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  Speaker 3: thousand jobs to come off the taxpayer funded payroll.
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  Speaker 1: How long do you think that that freeze could stay
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  Speaker 1: in place.
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  Speaker 10: Well, we're proposing to have natural attrition and a hiring
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  Speaker 10: freeze over five years to get the reduction in the
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  Speaker 10: public service of forty one thousand. We've already announced we
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  Speaker 10: don't need to have bigger government, we need to have
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  Speaker 10: better government. Chris, and I've long worked in the private sector,
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  Speaker 10: much longer than I have in politics, and I learned
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  Speaker 10: time and time again you don't need to have a
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  Speaker 10: bigger team to have a better team, and there's amazing
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  Speaker 10: people working in the public service, but we don't need
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  Speaker 10: to make government bigger, and there's significant savings in getting
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  Speaker 10: that right.
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  Speaker 4: But there's savings in other areas. For instance, we.
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  Speaker 10: Don't need twenty eight thousand kilometers of transmission lines criss
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  Speaker 10: crossing some of the most beautiful agricultural country.
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  Speaker 4: In the world.
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  Speaker 10: We don't need housing programs that haven't put a single
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  Speaker 10: family into a house into a new house. We don't
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  Speaker 10: need menu factoring programs that support quantum computing companies in
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  Speaker 10: the West Coast of the US. So there's a whole
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  Speaker 10: lot of areas where there's waste, not essential services like health.
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  Speaker 4: We need to make sure Australians get the.
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  Speaker 10: Health services they deserve, and we've certainly in these costumes
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  Speaker 10: laid out or included the important investments we've got to
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  Speaker 10: make in defending our great nation at a time that's
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  Speaker 10: more uncertain than since the Second World War. This is
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  Speaker 10: about getting the balance right, and we'd think it gets
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  Speaker 10: the balance right now.
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  Speaker 3: There are some indications that internal internal recriminations have begun
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  Speaker 3: within the Liberal Party over what's been a fairly lackluster campaign.
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  Speaker 3: James Campbell, writing in the Herald Son Today, say that
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  Speaker 3: some of your colleagues anonymously are having a go at you.
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  Speaker 3: You should have got a tax policy out earlier. You're
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  Speaker 3: too interested in the leadership. What's your response to those claims.
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  Speaker 10: Ah, look at the usual nonsense Christ and I don't
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  Speaker 10: take any notice of anonymous comments in the newspaper. There's
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  Speaker 10: a job I do want. There's a job I do want,
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  Speaker 10: and that's the Treasurer's job. Because he's hopeless, he's out
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  Speaker 10: of touch, he's out of his depth. He doesn't understand economics.
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  Speaker 10: He's never had any material job in the private sector.
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  Speaker 10: He doesn't get what drives growth, he doesn't get what
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  Speaker 10: drives prosperity. And we've seen that over the last three years,
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  Speaker 10: with the biggest hit to our standard of living in history,
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  Speaker 10: with small businesses going under at a record rate thirty
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  Speaker 10: thousand insolvencies, with an economy where people are giving up
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  Speaker 10: hope of starting a small business or owning one, with
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  Speaker 10: an economy where people are giving up hope of buying
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  Speaker 10: a home.
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  Speaker 4: Young Australians who have.
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  Speaker 10: Just given up hope, we can do better than this
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  Speaker 10: and that's why I want to be Treasurer of this
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  Speaker 10: great nation.
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  Speaker 3: The polls are not particularly encouraging for the Coalition, but
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  Speaker 3: I think they're going to swing around wildly between seats
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  Speaker 3: and there'll be a lot of surprises on Saturday night,
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  Speaker 3: so we'll see where it all ends up. But do
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  Speaker 3: you believe that Peter Dutton should stay on as leader, win,
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  Speaker 3: lose or draw.
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  Speaker 4: Peter has been an outstanding leader and.
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  Speaker 10: I want him to stay on as Prime Minister because
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  Speaker 10: I want to win this election and I'm going to
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  Speaker 10: be fighting until six o'clock on Saturday night do that
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  Speaker 10: because there's no doubt.
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  Speaker 4: On three years of labor, there's no to be prime minister.
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  Speaker 11: But do you back him in for Leada no matter what?
• 19:24
  Speaker 10: Well, you know what, Chris, My goal is to make
• 19:26
  Speaker 10: sure that Peter Dunton is Prime Minister and I'm Treasurer
• 19:30
  Speaker 10: as of as of Saturday night or Sunday morning.
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: And you know we're not we're not getting ahead.
• 19:38
  Speaker 10: Of ourselves here, but we're fighting hard for something that
• 19:41
  Speaker 10: Australia desperately needs because we cannot afford another three years
• 19:45
  Speaker 10: of labor. All we've seen from from labor over the
• 19:48
  Speaker 10: last couple of months is lives and scare campaigns. They
• 19:52
  Speaker 10: have no plan for the future of this nation. They
• 19:54
  Speaker 10: don't care that Australians are losing hope. They don't like
• 19:57
  Speaker 10: small business people. They don't want to see a country
• 20:00
  Speaker 10: where we see more investment and more prosperity. They want
• 20:02
  Speaker 10: to see that they're mates who are union officials looked after,
• 20:07
  Speaker 10: and they want more government dependency. We want more aspiration
• 20:10
  Speaker 10: and I'm going to keep fighting for that every hour
• 20:12
  Speaker 10: from now until six o'clock on Saturday night.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Angus Taylor, happy campaigning.
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: Good to be with you, Chris.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the finish line is in sight for the politicians.
• 20:26
  Speaker 8: Now.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: I'm going to go to a former politician next, and
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: that's the former Defense minister Labor Defense Minister Joel Hadsgibven
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: joining us from the Sydney CBD.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you again, Job.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: This is when you must be really relieved about being
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: out of politics. None of that gnaoring stomach, wondering what
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: the hell's going to unfold on Saturday.
• 20:44
  Speaker 8: And cheeky questions from people like you.
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: Chris.
• 20:48
  Speaker 8: I enjoyed those last couple of questions you had for Angus, let.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: Me just refresh your memory about what you told us
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: of where the election was heading just two weeks ago.
• 20:58
  Speaker 8: I don't believe Pedican secure a majority. I no longer
• 21:03
  Speaker 8: think he can secure more seats than Anthony Albanezi. But
• 21:08
  Speaker 8: I'm still not convinced that Albo has his well positioned
• 21:12
  Speaker 8: still to secure seventy six votes or more. So I
• 21:16
  Speaker 8: still believe it's hard to call, and two weeks is
• 21:19
  Speaker 8: an eternity and politics, but I sadly believe that we
• 21:23
  Speaker 8: are still heading for a hung polent.
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, two weeks on without Easter and the Airs Act
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: day long weekend.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Where do you reckon you're at with that prediction? What
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: are you saying suggesting now?
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: John?
• 21:36
  Speaker 8: Two weeks on and plenty more mistakes from the coalition camp,
• 21:40
  Speaker 8: no doubt about that. So there's more and more pressure
• 21:43
  Speaker 8: on me now to review the prediction. There's only two
• 21:48
  Speaker 8: outcomes though now Chris, it's a later majority or a
• 21:53
  Speaker 8: labor minority label will easily have more seats than the coalition.
• 21:58
  Speaker 8: The Yegov Pole it was very, very bad for the
• 22:02
  Speaker 8: coalition today, but I'm still prepared to put my house
• 22:07
  Speaker 8: on a labor majority as delighted as I would be.
• 22:10
  Speaker 8: For a number of reasons. We'll have enough trouble with
• 22:12
  Speaker 8: the Greens in the Senate. We don't want to give
• 22:15
  Speaker 8: them any power in the House of Representatives. That would
• 22:17
  Speaker 8: be a very bad thing for the Australian economy. But
• 22:21
  Speaker 8: you know, the National posters are getting better all the
• 22:23
  Speaker 8: time with their methodologies and they've got a pretty good
• 22:28
  Speaker 8: run rate these days, but they're not very good on
• 22:31
  Speaker 8: a seat by seat basis, where it's very very difficult
• 22:35
  Speaker 8: to predict where preference flows are going. And of course
• 22:38
  Speaker 8: at a time when minor parties are getting around a
• 22:42
  Speaker 8: third of the primary vote in this country, that really matters.
• 22:47
  Speaker 8: So there will be surprises on Saturday night. The vagaries
• 22:52
  Speaker 8: of our political system, our electoral system, our secret ballot
• 22:57
  Speaker 8: are many. And I still think it would be a
• 22:59
  Speaker 8: bold per and to put a lot of money on
• 23:01
  Speaker 8: a labor majority. We'll have to wait and see.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that you Gov poll was right out there.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: It's certainly bad for the coalition. Now I think it
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: might be bad for you Gov come Monday.
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: We shall see.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: Let's have a look at this pole bloodger aggregation though
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: of the major polls, so that flattens them all out.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: And it tells the story, doesn't it, Joel it? You know, Labor,
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: of course, after being elected, had a strong lead. The
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: Coalition whittled that away. They got to level pegging or
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: just in front. By the start of this.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Campaign, we talked about how the campaign would matter. Well,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: what's happened. I must have been it surprised me. I
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: thought it would go the other way. But it's hardened
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: towards Labor throughout that.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: Now, while it's very difficult to pick, as you say,
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: seat by seat, the general trend here is encouraging for Labor.
• 23:47
  Speaker 8: Oh yeah, absolutely, and the God's Capital of the you
• 23:49
  Speaker 8: gov poll too. But it must have sent alarm bells
• 23:53
  Speaker 8: ringing in the coalition camp today, I've no doubt about that.
• 23:57
  Speaker 8: But it's still a seat by seat contest. And you know, again,
• 24:02
  Speaker 8: with so many undecided still and so many of the
• 24:06
  Speaker 8: so much of the primary vote going to minor parties,
• 24:09
  Speaker 8: it's a bold cores to call majority at this point.
• 24:13
  Speaker 8: Let me give you one very quick example. Patterson in
• 24:16
  Speaker 8: the Hunter Valley, a great city member there for a
• 24:19
  Speaker 8: great candidate, but been knocked around by the readerstrivision, working hard,
• 24:25
  Speaker 8: but she's had this offshore wind farm proposed by Labor
• 24:29
  Speaker 8: in her electorate. That's been damaging for her. But more
• 24:32
  Speaker 8: particularly the local the mayor of the biggest city in
• 24:36
  Speaker 8: the electorate is running as an independent, not recommending preferences.
• 24:40
  Speaker 8: So how much primary vote will he secure, where will
• 24:43
  Speaker 8: he take it from in proportionate terms, and where will
• 24:46
  Speaker 8: it go when he's been eliminated. Now, if anyone thinks
• 24:50
  Speaker 8: they know the answer to that question, Chris, they are
• 24:53
  Speaker 8: kidding themselves. And there are all around the country, so
• 24:57
  Speaker 8: they're a.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: Different different stories.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: Is only electorates and just the tiniest tweak in this
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: election and voting over the next twenty four hours or
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: forty eight hours could be the difference between Labour seventy
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: eight seats and sixty eight seats. It's just now I've said,
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: because Anthony Aberneez he has said he's going for majority government.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: I'm calling it a fail for Albow if he has
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: to slip into minority government, no matter how narrow that
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: minority is.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Give me what you think is a fail for Peter Dutton?
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: Well, how many seats does the coalition need to win
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: for Peter Dutton to claim that it's been a successful campaign.
• 25:35
  Speaker 8: I think anything less than ten additional seats for Peter
• 25:39
  Speaker 8: is a loss, which is not much more than half
• 25:41
  Speaker 8: of what he needed to secure majority. So I'm not
• 25:44
  Speaker 8: setting the bar too high in my view. And if
• 25:47
  Speaker 8: he doesn't secure ten additional seats, I think it'll be
• 25:50
  Speaker 8: a pretty ugly party room meeting immediately after the election.
• 25:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: I think you're right.
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: I think he's got to get up to about sixty
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: five seats. Otherwise it's subpar for him and looks a
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: bit ugly.
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: We shall see.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Joel has been good to talk to you. We'll catch
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: up with you next week. Joelf. It's given they're the
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: former Labor Defense Minister, still.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: Saying Labor will win, but not totally convinced that they're
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: going to be able to get to majority government.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: We'll take a break now.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: On the other side, we'll continue on the campaign trailer.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: Going to catch up with the Deputy Liberal leader Susan Lay.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: Let's cross to Gisbonon now just north of Melbourne. Catch
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: up with Deputy Liberal leader Susan Lay.
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: Good to talk to you.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: Susan.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: You're in the seat of McEwen marginal Labor seat one.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: You're hoping to pick up.
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: What's the mood.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: Like on the ground.
• 26:36
  Speaker 12: It's great to be here, Chris at the pre pole
• 26:39
  Speaker 12: for McEwen with our candidate Jason McClintock. He's introducing himself
• 26:42
  Speaker 12: to voters and he's getting a pretty good reception, I
• 26:45
  Speaker 12: have to say, and he is an outstanding fellow. He's
• 26:50
  Speaker 12: got a really strong plan for McEwen getting this seat
• 26:55
  Speaker 12: and these communities back on track, because what I'm hearing,
• 26:58
  Speaker 12: what he's hearing, is we can't afford another three years
• 27:01
  Speaker 12: of labor.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: I heard a whisper that you might be in the
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: hunt for the seat of Bendigo the NATS running.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: There a big margin to Labor.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: But I heard just up the road there in Bendigo
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: there could be a surprise and maybe the Nats could
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: take that.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: And have you heard anything about that?
• 27:17
  Speaker 12: Look, big margins don't worry us, Chris. I come from
• 27:21
  Speaker 12: rural New South Wales and I know how fed up
• 27:24
  Speaker 12: country people are with the Labor government and it's as
• 27:27
  Speaker 12: if they've been ignored for so so long. Infrastructure, roads,
• 27:30
  Speaker 12: mobile telecommunications and just resources and infrastructure for families. So
• 27:36
  Speaker 12: our candidates are getting a terrific reception all across rural
• 27:39
  Speaker 12: and regional Australia, and I have to say in the
• 27:41
  Speaker 12: out of suburbs, and I have to say in all
• 27:44
  Speaker 12: of the prepoles I visited, and I'm probably up to
• 27:47
  Speaker 12: about my thirteenth. Now we are getting a really strong
• 27:51
  Speaker 12: positive reception and it's good to see because I always
• 27:55
  Speaker 12: say the punters aren't stupid. They can see that all
• 27:59
  Speaker 12: of the promis is that Anthony Abernezi made. He's broken
• 28:03
  Speaker 12: or in the process of breaking power prices. Life will
• 28:06
  Speaker 12: be cheaper under me. I won't leave anyone behind. And
• 28:10
  Speaker 12: this selection really is a choice about who can better
• 28:12
  Speaker 12: manage the economy and help Australians who want to have
• 28:14
  Speaker 12: a crack and country Australians want to have a crack,
• 28:17
  Speaker 12: they want to get ahead.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: Now, the one issue that I would have liked to
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: see the Coalition make more of than this campaign is
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: the energy debate. We know Labour have spun this outrageous
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: lie of six hundred billion dollars for nuclear it's five
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: times five times the estimated costs from independent experts. But
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: the other side of the argument is one I haven't
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: heard enough of from the Coalition, and that is that
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: the current plan Labour's current renewables plus.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Storage plan cannot work. It will not work.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: So many engineers and economists and energy experts have called
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: that out.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: They say it won't work. So it's not a matter
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: of choosing which.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: Plan you prefer, it's a matter of only one of
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: them actually being viable.
• 29:02
  Speaker 7: You are exactly right.
• 29:03
  Speaker 12: And renewables only and having eighty two percent of the
• 29:07
  Speaker 12: grid renewable by twenty thirty, that's just six years away,
• 29:11
  Speaker 12: is completely fantasy land. And people do need to focus
• 29:16
  Speaker 12: on that, and they are focusing on that, and they
• 29:18
  Speaker 12: are worried about their power prices. But you're right, Chris.
• 29:20
  Speaker 12: Longer term, it's about something that's quite infeasible and not
• 29:25
  Speaker 12: being tried anywhere else in the world, and not to
• 29:28
  Speaker 12: have reliable, stable base load power is ridiculous. And I
• 29:33
  Speaker 12: don't know where this is going in Labour's minds because
• 29:36
  Speaker 12: it is absolutely against the interests of our country, against
• 29:41
  Speaker 12: the interests of our manufacturing future, and really really really
• 29:47
  Speaker 12: doesn't make sense. So I know people are talking about it. Look,
• 29:50
  Speaker 12: I get a lot of conversations. We've got a bit
• 29:52
  Speaker 12: of a labor scare campaign about nuclear but people haven't
• 29:55
  Speaker 12: followed it through and when they actually listen to the
• 29:58
  Speaker 12: logical progression of the argument and plan to get gas
• 30:02
  Speaker 12: powering your electricity between now and a nuclear future, and
• 30:06
  Speaker 12: also what nuclear can deliver. We want advanced manufacturing, we
• 30:10
  Speaker 12: want data centers. We want Australia's energy future, which is
• 30:14
  Speaker 12: its competitive advantage, to be secure and it can only
• 30:17
  Speaker 12: be that way with nuclear.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: I just want to show you this clip of Anthony
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: Albernezi with Andrew Clanil on Sky today.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: He didn't want to rule out tax increases.
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: Have Look, do you undertake not to raise any taxes.
• 30:32
  Speaker 6: Well, what we've got, Andrew, is our policies out there
• 30:35
  Speaker 6: for all to.
• 30:36
  Speaker 8: See, So you won't raise any taxes.
• 30:38
  Speaker 6: So that what we've got out there, Andrew is lower taxes.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're worried about this.
• 30:47
  Speaker 12: It's quite obvious where the Prime Minister's mind is going
• 30:51
  Speaker 12: right now, Chris, and that is on Sunday, he's going
• 30:53
  Speaker 12: to wake up with a very possible need to try
• 30:57
  Speaker 12: to form a coalition with the Greed and if if
• 31:02
  Speaker 12: that is what we're facing on Sunday, then he knows
• 31:05
  Speaker 12: that the first thing he will have to agree to
• 31:08
  Speaker 12: with the Greens political party is to raise taxes is
• 31:12
  Speaker 12: to look at inheritance taxes, is to look at wealth taxes.
• 31:15
  Speaker 12: And people have been worried about Labour's unrealized tax on
• 31:19
  Speaker 12: unrealized capital gains. Well, that would get a whole lot
• 31:22
  Speaker 12: worse with the Greens having their hands on the levers.
• 31:24
  Speaker 12: So that's exactly why he has not answered that question
• 31:28
  Speaker 12: at all.
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: What about you, Susan Lay you wake up on Sunday
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: morning as the deputy Liberal leader, do you support Peter
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: Dutton continuing as leader?
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: Wouldn't lose or draw.
• 31:39
  Speaker 12: Absolutely. Peter Dutton has been an outstanding leader of our
• 31:42
  Speaker 12: team over the last three years. I've worked tirelessly, as
• 31:45
  Speaker 12: have so many of us, to make Peter Dutton Prime
• 31:49
  Speaker 12: Minister on Sunday morning. That is the only way we
• 31:53
  Speaker 12: can get this country back on track. Peter Dutton has
• 31:56
  Speaker 12: a vision, he has leadership, he has the quality this
• 32:00
  Speaker 12: country needs right now. And as I said Chris, as
• 32:03
  Speaker 12: I talked to people coming in and out of the
• 32:05
  Speaker 12: polling booths, I'm just hearing that really good response to
• 32:09
  Speaker 12: what our plan is compared to what Labour's plan is
• 32:11
  Speaker 12: clearly not.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, Susan enjoyed the last twenty four
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: hours of campaigning. Susan lay there joining us from Gisbon,
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: north of Melbourne, the seat of MCEW and one of
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: the ones in the sights of the coalition. Up next,
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: former Foreign Minister Alexander Downer. He's back in the country.
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: Get his assessment on the campaign. Also, want to get
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: his thoughts on the peace deals and dealings between Russia
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: and Ukraine. Let's get into a bit of international affairs
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: before we come back to the election. And we showed
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: you those pictures on the weekend of US President Donald
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: Trump meeting with the Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelenski in Saint
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: Peter's Basilica before the funeral of Pope Francis. It was
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: great to see these men speaking productively together after that
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: horrible frakka in the Oval Office some weeks ago. Well,
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: today Ukraine and the US have signed a new mineral
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: resources deal, which is encouraging. And suddenly Donald Trump is
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: again talking tough against Russian President Vladimir Putin.
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: Have a look and whens of me. I do believe
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: that he's willing to stop the fighting. Don't forget he
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: wants you think Vladimir Putin wants peace. I think he does.
• 33:24
  Speaker 13: Yes, I think I was not happy what I saw
• 33:27
  Speaker 13: Putin shooting missiles into a few towns and cities, and
• 33:34
  Speaker 13: that was not something that I like seeing, and I
• 33:36
  Speaker 13: thought it was inappropriate.
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: Let's cross to Adelaide down catch up with former Foreign
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: Minister Alexander Downer.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you again, Alexander.
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: Given where this has been, to see Trump and Zelenski's
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: speaking together, to have this minerals deals signed, and to
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: have Trump now saying he's not happy with the behavior
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: of Putin, this is a positive step, isn't it.
• 33:59
  Speaker 14: It is?
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: And it's very well put I mean, I think after
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: the fallout with Zelenski in the Oval office, which was
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: unprepossessing Trump, President Trump is getting his Ukraine strategy well
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: and truly back on track. This minerals agreement will give
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: the Ukrainians a much stronger sense of security and certainty.
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: It's a very good deal from their point of view,
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: and it's also quite a good deal from America's point
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: of view. But you know, President Trump said before the
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: election the best way to achieve peace was to use
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: Ronald Reagan's expression peace through strength, and now is the
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: time to show the Russians that a cease fire is necessary,
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: not a peace agreement that will have to be negotiated,
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: but a ceasefar. And Russia does have vulnerabilities. They have
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: something like three hundred billion dollars worth of their reserves
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: in the West which and be leveraged, and there are
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: also secondary sanctions that could be imposed on Russia. So
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: I think President Trump is thinking now much more about
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: putting pressure on Russia, and that's a good thing.
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: Let's come back to Australian politics now. In your assessments
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: of the election, it has surprised me. I'll be the
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: first to put my hand up that the polling has
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: shown a hardening towards Labor over the campaign. I expected
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: it would go the other way, that Peter Dutton would
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: be able to out campaign Anthony ALBERNIZI.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: Once you'll read on how the campaign is unfolded and
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: what result we were likely to get on Saturday night.
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: Well, it's difficult for any opposition to win an election
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: after just one term in opposition. I mean, it last
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: happened in what nineteen thirty one that a federal government
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: only had one term, So it's a huge challenge for
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: the Liberals. I think Peter Dutton has done a very
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: good job, but it's hard for him to get his
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: message through. When you had the Easter break, you had
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: the Pope dying, you had Trump tariffs and all the
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: controversies surrounding that. Not so much in Australia but internationally,
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: so it's been a period of if you like, up
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: heavel and drama outside of Australia, so it's made it
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: very difficult for the opposition. But I think they have
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: two really strong points to make. One is Labour's policy
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: of windmills and solar panels, which is driving up electricity
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: prices monumentally and making our country uncompetitive, exporting manufacturing elsewhere
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: and imposing huge costs on householders. And secondly, this whole
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: issue of debt. I mean, every complaining group gets a
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: billion dollars from the Labor government, which is another billion
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: dollars borrowed on top of the trillion dollars worth of
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: debt that they've accumulated. So I think the problem of
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: deficits a debt. Labor can't handle money. They've never been
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: good at handling money, and what they've done with energy
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: prices and Australia's competitiveness and energy is just horrible to watch.
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: So I think those two things are strong points for
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: the coalition.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but the obscenity here, if I could put it
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: that strongly, is, for instance, when it comes to energy prices,
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: the Labor Party's policies drive energy prices up to an
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: extent that they really would hurt families. But as a
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: political fix to that, not a substantive fix, it doesn't
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  Speaker 3: do anything to the energy system. They borrow more money
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: to funnel it back as rebates to insulate people from
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: the pain that they've created. Therefore, you're getting higher debt,
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: the energy system is not getting fixed, and the reckoning
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: is just delayed when the stones, when that substance hits
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  Speaker 3: the fan, there's going to be hell to pay.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly. I mean, they're just postponing the pain. They're
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: borrowing all of this money. I actually think it's it's
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: a disgraceful thing that they have done with energy because
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: Australia's comparative advantage was cheap energy. That's uh, that's been
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: that's underpinned the Australian economy for generations, and they've now
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: created a situation where we have, amongst the most energy
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: expensive energy prices on Earth. I mean, it's not just
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: the households that are paying the bills for this and
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: they're getting rebates from borrowed money that the government has
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: gone out and borrowed. It's the impact on industry. I mean,
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: I'm from South Australia and you can see what's happened
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: in Wyala. The still works is just not viable anymore.
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: So Labor is spending a couple of billion dollars trying
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: to keep it going fair enough. They probably have to,
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: but they've created this situation with these massive increases in
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: energy prices. I mean, it's an absolute disgrace. And it's
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: not about nuclear power somewhat down the track, it's about
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: scrapping these absurd wind and solar investments and making sure
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: we make the most of our comparative energy advantages, in
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: particular in gas spot on.
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: Alexander does my hit in National Energy Self Harm quite extraordinary.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us. I appreciate Alexander.
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: Down of there in Adelaide. We'll take a break. On
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: the other side, we'll catch up with Tim Blair and
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: Mark Nicholson. We've got some great news from Mark. Plus
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: we'll review the highlights and low lights of this pretty
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: lackluster election campaign.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: Have our last wrap up of the election campaign with
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: the data.
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: He telegraphs Tim Blair and Mark Nicholson from step Make Studios.
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us again, gentlemen, very welcome. Look in
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: this sort of sea of morbid news that surrounds us
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: globally and around the nation. Now, it's always nice to
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: have some good news. And congratulations to you, Mark. I
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: think baby news is always always good news. You've become
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: a father since last we spoke you and Monica, a
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: beautiful little baby.
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  Speaker 7: Charlie.
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  Speaker 11: This has changed, is going to make it even more conservative.
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  Speaker 1: Now, exactly mate.
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  Speaker 4: Now it's just.
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  Speaker 11: I know that's better off today than she was three
• 40:36
  Speaker 11: years ago.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: Look at it.
• 40:37
  Speaker 14: She's It was tough leaving her behind, but I said, hey,
• 40:39
  Speaker 14: I've got to go talk to Uncle Chris and Uncle Tim.
• 40:41
  Speaker 11: The national cabinet needs me.
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  Speaker 1: And she understood it.
• 40:44
  Speaker 11: She knew exactly what was needed.
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  Speaker 1: Fantastic.
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: Look at it, just lying there sleeping and trying to
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: add up the debt as it's mounted on her shoulders,
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: in there for years to come.
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  Speaker 1: Beautiful little Charlie. Congratulations to you, and pass our best
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: onto Monica. Who I'm yet but well done, Monica, brilliant stuff.
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: Now let's get to the selection camp part I asked
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: for both of you for some lowlights of the campaign.
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: Will start with yours marker and this moment courtesy of
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: the Greens leader that was probably just in a warehouse
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: around the corner from you market. That speaks national leadership
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: to you.
• 41:30
  Speaker 14: Yeah, that's the member for Melbourne, mate, which every other
• 41:34
  Speaker 14: week we're here, we're talking about how it's falling apart,
• 41:36
  Speaker 14: people getting stabbed. I think he was playing at REVS
• 41:39
  Speaker 14: on a Thursday night. The next night someone got stabbed
• 41:42
  Speaker 14: stabbed on Chapel Street right where he was. So when
• 41:45
  Speaker 14: he's spinning the decks instead of playing house music, instead
• 41:49
  Speaker 14: of trying to get actual housing disorder in this day,
• 41:52
  Speaker 14: that's the member for Melbourne. It's just cringe worthy. Like
• 41:54
  Speaker 14: even my daughter's looking at it, going ew. That's out
• 41:57
  Speaker 14: of touch. Everyone's a DJ's discussing.
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: Come on, and you were the first to bring to
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: our attention the climate alarmist overreach in a really morbid
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: way by the TLMP for mckeller, Sophie Scomps.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: She had to apologize the next day here's a refresher.
• 42:15
  Speaker 15: The death of that young man, the rugby league player
• 42:18
  Speaker 15: when it was thirty three degrees heat very humid day,
• 42:21
  Speaker 15: died from heat stress after training session. That type of
• 42:26
  Speaker 15: lethal humidity is something that the medical fraternity is getting
• 42:30
  Speaker 15: more and more concerned about.
• 42:32
  Speaker 12: If there's any distress or upset, deeply, deeply sorry, that
• 42:36
  Speaker 12: was never any attention my intention at all.
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: Of course, it wasn't her intention to say what she said.
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: Tim just terrible, but it's so typical of the overreach
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: of the climate.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: Alarmists, absolutely and also typical of the climate alarmist is
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: she got the numbers wrong. It wasn't thirty three degrees
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: on the day the death. There was twenty five degrees
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: is the deputy coroners report indicated. It wasn't bizarrely humid
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: or lethal humidity. Wasn't the fact that there was. She
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: got it entirely wrong, and her backgown apology wasn't that
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: great either. Just quickly on the nature of DJs, and
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: as Mark said that you know, everyone's a DJ these days,
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: I don't think sort of celebrity DJing has been cool
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: since the days of fat boys slim and right now
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: every first thirty you go to Google to find out
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: who the hell I'm talking about or what the hell
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: is going on Back in the early two thousands.
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: Man, I use a fat boy slim when I was
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: working in politics in two thousand, I reckon.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: But that's another story. Now Mark's come up with an.
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: Episode early in the campaign that sadly might be a
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: bit of a metaphor for the Coalition campaign.
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: Have a look, that's going to be noisy for people.
• 43:46
  Speaker 16: So just here we go, no assistance here at all.
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: This is embarrassing. Yeah we're getting someone.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: Oh, Mark, you're crawel to So that's it's like the
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: nightmare on the campaign trailer. Is it happened later in
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: the campaign too, with Dutton's media bus.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
• 44:18
  Speaker 14: I saw the bus this week and then yeah this
• 44:20
  Speaker 14: was this was this was week one and like how
• 44:22
  Speaker 14: emblematic you know, of the of the coalition campaign just
• 44:26
  Speaker 14: pointed in the right direction but could never actually turn over.
• 44:29
  Speaker 14: I couldn't crank crank over and actually head in.
• 44:32
  Speaker 11: The right direction.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: It just never got moving.
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: That was the thing.
• 44:35
  Speaker 14: It was just I think, Yeah, someone pointed out at
• 44:37
  Speaker 14: Live at the moment they would said, well this is
• 44:39
  Speaker 14: embarrassing and that's pretty that's pretty indicative of what I think.
• 44:42
  Speaker 14: That's pretty symbolic of the of the entire campaign for it.
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: Sure is, Tim, You've come up though with a visual
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: metaphor that was more to our liking.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: Photos with everyone.
• 44:54
  Speaker 7: Okay, I stepped back one step.
• 45:06
  Speaker 6: I didn't fall off the stage, just one leg went down,
• 45:09
  Speaker 6: But I was I was sweet.
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: I still can't believe he said that to him, that
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: I sit here with all my calls falling down over
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: my head wondering how he could lie like that.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: I love how he got all fancy with the definition
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: of a fall, you know, like I stepped back with
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: only one leg. I was like, I never passed more
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: than forty five degrees past vertical, you know, like he
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: got all fancy with it.
• 45:33
  Speaker 8: But I do.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: I do love the video that Mark pointed out about Dutton.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: You know, in the in the vehicle, it just wouldn't move.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: Not only do you see you know the start button
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: right right there with the words start on it that
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: no one can actually get. Also, oddly enough, that was
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: the most human that Dutton was throughout the entire campaign.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: When something went wrong, not then it seemed like seemed
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: relatable instead of being attempting to be this sort of
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: cookie cutter, traditional Canberra newted kind of zombie politician that
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: apparently the liberal backroom people have decided is the way
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: to go.
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the sense I've had of him throughout the campaign.
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: Just hasn't been relaxed enough being himself. He's been He's
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: been drilled with messages from the focus groups too much.
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: I've picked out a.
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: Little highlight of mind that came from the last debate
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: on Sunday Night PC ripping off one of the ads.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: But it's the same sort of thing on honesty that
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: you've talked about, Tim. I.
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: I just thought this was astonishing because this is one
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: of the few times that Albow hasn't.
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: Told a lie.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: Have a look, my word is my bond, remember that missile?
• 46:39
  Speaker 6: I do?
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but you broke your word?
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: I did.
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: I did.
• 46:45
  Speaker 7: Mark.
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: That's he's asked whether he broke.
• 46:48
  Speaker 11: His word, and he said he did.
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: I mean, there's some honesty for you, if only we
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: had that honesty through everything else, like the energy debate
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: and everything else.
• 46:57
  Speaker 14: I'm genuine I'm genuinely shocked. I had no idea that
• 47:01
  Speaker 14: he actually admitted I assume what immediately followed that sentence
• 47:04
  Speaker 14: with some sort of bumbling mess of a way of
• 47:07
  Speaker 14: trying to explain it away. I can only imagine he
• 47:09
  Speaker 14: didn't truly admit it.
• 47:11
  Speaker 11: But yeah, his word is his bond.
• 47:13
  Speaker 14: In my view, it's kind of like it's one of
• 47:15
  Speaker 14: those high risk no yield bonds, like real like the
• 47:18
  Speaker 14: actual bonds, but it's losing value dramatically quickly. That's the
• 47:22
  Speaker 14: al but easy button for you. That's our that will
• 47:24
  Speaker 14: stay safe.
• 47:25
  Speaker 6: And do that.
• 47:25
  Speaker 11: I'll stay safe and I wouldn't be backing that bond.
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: It is true he did launch into an ex post
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: facto justification tim saying that we should all be grateful
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: that he broke his word.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great thing when when you've got to
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: go saying I'll be totally honest with you and tell
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: you I'm a liar, Like it's it's almost beautiful, curious
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: kind of way, isn't it. It's a lovely circular logic
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: of elbows. You know, it's almost the circular is his
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: attempt to fall off the stage.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: I'll bring it up.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: You're going to be a happy man, I think on
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: Saturday night. But you know, there's always the stage. You
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: can look back on a bit of modesty in a
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: a bit of a fact.
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: There was just a little bit of raygun about that
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: fall I reckon when he stopped in the forty five degree.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: Now, speaking of.
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: Honesty, here's a bloke telling a reporter some honest facts
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: straight up, Donald Trump, we had.
• 48:22
  Speaker 13: A president that couldn't walk up a flight of stairs,
• 48:25
  Speaker 13: couldn't walk down a flight of stairs, couldn't walk.
• 48:27
  Speaker 6: Across the stage without falling.
• 48:29
  Speaker 13: We had a president that was grossly incompetent.
• 48:32
  Speaker 8: You knew it.
• 48:32
  Speaker 13: I knew it, and everybody knew it, but you guys
• 48:34
  Speaker 13: didn't want to read it because you're fake news.
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: All right, thank you.
• 48:38
  Speaker 13: By the way, ABC is one of the worst.
• 48:40
  Speaker 8: I have to be honest, Okay.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: I love that he gives us straight to the mark.
• 48:47
  Speaker 14: And you know what makes it even more delicious is
• 48:49
  Speaker 14: when you've been eating our politicians for the last you know,
• 48:52
  Speaker 14: four or five weeks, which is, you know, not avoiding
• 48:54
  Speaker 14: every question, not trying to get into the thing, but
• 48:57
  Speaker 14: literally just picking questions and then turning them away. This
• 48:59
  Speaker 14: is a man who knows how to enjoys an adversarial
• 49:03
  Speaker 14: conversation with the media. Look at the whites in the
• 49:05
  Speaker 14: man's eyes from the ABC when he calls him out
• 49:07
  Speaker 14: for it.
• 49:08
  Speaker 11: And this is weaponizing the truth. That's what he said.
• 49:10
  Speaker 11: Everything he said there is objectively factual.
• 49:12
  Speaker 14: Anyone backed and said that Biden was fine and doing okay,
• 49:16
  Speaker 14: lied to you, lied to you.
• 49:18
  Speaker 11: You should never trust them ever. Again, He's weaponized the truth.
• 49:21
  Speaker 14: That's what we should have seen from Dunton and from
• 49:23
  Speaker 14: everyone in this campaign.
• 49:25
  Speaker 11: Weaponize the truth. We didn't ever need to lie here.
• 49:27
  Speaker 11: The truth was damning for these guys.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: Good on you.
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: Mark, couldn't agree more everybody, They all kept quiet about
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: Biden's fallibilities, lack of capacity. Congratulations on fatherhood again, Mark,
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: great to see it, and Tim will see you both
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: of you next week. Have a great weekend, get through
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: this election in one piece. That's it from us during
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: the campaign. I'll be with the Sky News election coverage
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: on Saturday night.
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: He is Peter Kreedlin