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Dear John....RHONJ Recap with Meghan McCain · Reality with The King

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  Speaker 1: Hey rain Drops. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: in New York City. Welcome to Reality with the King.
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  Speaker 2: It's me Carlos King, the King of Reality TV and
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  Speaker 2: television with over ten years a production experience. Twice a
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  Speaker 1: Hey, rain drops.
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  Speaker 2: On another episode of Reality with the King, I am
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  Speaker 2: joined by my good friend.
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  Speaker 1: She's one of my favorite blondes.
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  Speaker 2: She's also the host of this amazing podcast called Citizen
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  Speaker 2: McCain that is available on Apples, Spotify, wherever you get
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  Speaker 2: your podcast.
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  Speaker 1: I'm talking about the girl we are.
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  Speaker 2: Miss Seek on daytime television, right, drov give it off
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  Speaker 2: with my good friend Meghan McCain.
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  Speaker 3: Well, Carlos, thank you so much. But you're the king
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  Speaker 3: of podcasting. And every time you come on my show,
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  Speaker 3: which is probably more often than you like, because we
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  Speaker 3: always ask you, everybody loves it and we get a
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  Speaker 3: spike in listeners because you're so popular and everybody loves you,
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  Speaker 3: and even like I have so many friends who listen
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  Speaker 3: to you and follow you and just think you're the best.
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  Speaker 3: And you always pop up on like Juicy Scoop and
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  Speaker 3: all these places I also consume. So it's really my honor.
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  Speaker 3: I love I love going on air with you, and
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  Speaker 3: I love talking to you because I think we have
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  Speaker 3: the same interest.
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  Speaker 1: No, we do have the same interest, and that's why
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  Speaker 1: you know, we get a lot. We've been friends for
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  Speaker 1: a couple of years.
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  Speaker 2: He Look, you know, all you have to do is
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  Speaker 2: ask me to come in a podcasts.
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  Speaker 1: I would do it in a heartbeat. We have we
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  Speaker 1: have so much fun.
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  Speaker 2: And the beauty of you, Meghan is a fact that listen,
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  Speaker 2: the world sees you as this political commentator. You obviously
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  Speaker 2: know your shit when it comes to politics, but baby,
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  Speaker 2: my girl knows her shit when it comes to reality television.
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  Speaker 2: And we have to get into the state of the
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  Speaker 2: House of Boston, New Jersey. So have you mean keep
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  Speaker 2: it up with the show this season?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I didn't watch last night's episode, which I should
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  Speaker 3: have knowing that I was coming on with you, But
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  Speaker 3: I just I was so bored with the episode before
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  Speaker 3: I told you on my podcast, the baseball episode, and like, look,
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  Speaker 3: I think it's nice to Lauries is doing charity work.
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  Speaker 3: I think all those things are wonderful. I just have
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  Speaker 3: been so bored this season. And I think that like
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  Speaker 3: any relationship in television, I don't care if it's a
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  Speaker 3: political show or the reality TV or Dancing with the Stars,
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  Speaker 3: you have to have relationships with people, and you have
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  Speaker 3: to film with people, and you have to get along,
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  Speaker 3: and trust me, when things stop getting along, it'll go
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  Speaker 3: to hell really fast if something isn't to fix it,
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  Speaker 3: and if that's like executive producers getting involved or you
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  Speaker 3: just like you know, putting the show over family matters
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  Speaker 3: or personal matters. And there's something about this like complete
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  Speaker 3: fracturization of the show that is simultaneously boring and hard
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  Speaker 3: to watch for me at least. And I get it,
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  Speaker 3: like I get that Melissa and Teresa had this like
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  Speaker 3: you know, explosive like legendary blow up fight between their families,
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  Speaker 3: but for me, it's just like tragic and also just
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  Speaker 3: not entertaining. Like I can watch tragedy if it's compelling
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  Speaker 3: and entertaining, but it's to me, it's just really boring.
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  Speaker 3: And there's some people on the show that I could
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  Speaker 3: like cut off quickly and I don't care about and
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  Speaker 3: I just think they're boring. And I know that sounds terrible,
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  Speaker 3: but you know, this is not a democracy. You're like,
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  Speaker 3: you're on TV because you're entertaining, and if you're boring.
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  Speaker 3: Markearet Josephs, you should leave.
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  Speaker 1: Damn.
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  Speaker 3: I find her so boring. So boring.
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  Speaker 2: Ladies jeltimate and they now you see why Being Megan
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  Speaker 2: are good friends because Jesus, it's like that US Weekly of.
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  Speaker 1: That segment because it's in print.
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  Speaker 2: But remember how US weeklys to have celebrities, they're just
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  Speaker 2: like us. Yes, so like Ray drops Megan, she's just
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  Speaker 2: like us.
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  Speaker 1: She she she says how she feels, and she means
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  Speaker 1: what she says.
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  Speaker 2: So you think Margaret Josephs is boring, tell me why Megan.
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  Speaker 3: It's like gives me nothing, Like she's just kind of
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  Speaker 3: like going along to get along. I don't really think
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  Speaker 3: she has any storyline in her in her like life
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  Speaker 3: right now that I'm I'm I like attached to or
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  Speaker 3: responding to. And I just think there's like a lot
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  Speaker 3: of people on the show that are like filler, Like
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  Speaker 3: they're like filling time, but they're not really giving me
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  Speaker 3: interesting drama. And then at the same time, there's other franchises,
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  Speaker 3: which I just saw the trailer for the new OC
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  Speaker 3: which it's gonna be amazing, And I was literally like
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  Speaker 3: I was in my kitchen, my friend Miranda that you know,
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  Speaker 3: texted to me, and I literally stopped everything I was doing.
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  Speaker 3: I like stopped what I was doing to watch out
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  Speaker 3: on my phone and I was like, oh my god,
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  Speaker 3: thank god, this like real television is coming back, because
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  Speaker 3: this is what I want at the end of my day.
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  Speaker 3: I want like compelling, insane drama and like the John
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  Speaker 3: Jansen of it all with a Shannon Badour and Alexis
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  Speaker 3: Bellino like inject it in my veins. I want everything
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  Speaker 3: about it. I want to hear everything, and like even
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  Speaker 3: like the image of Shannon Meador. I mean, it's not
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  Speaker 3: do you uys aren't funny? But her blowing in that
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  Speaker 3: like retalizer with the dog staring at her because she
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  Speaker 3: got an accident with her dog, Like it's just fantastic.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm again, do you uys aren't fantastic? But it's
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  Speaker 3: it looks like it's a funny image. So I just
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. I just feel like New Jersey needs.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what they need. You're the EP, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: what do you say? But I don't like it anymore.
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  Speaker 3: And again I really like the women, like I'm I
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  Speaker 3: really likesa. I really like Melissa Gorgat Danielle I've told
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  Speaker 3: you I really like her. I like Jennifer like I
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  Speaker 3: do like them. It's just for whatever reason, sometimes like
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  Speaker 3: everything comes together and it doesn't make a good omelet.
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  Speaker 3: And I don't know why, And it's not making a
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  Speaker 3: good omelet right now.
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  Speaker 2: No, it's not because for a good omelet you need
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  Speaker 2: the right amount of cheet you need mazzralla.
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  Speaker 1: Is it chatter right?
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  Speaker 2: You need some green peppers or is it red pepper?
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  Speaker 2: Do you need black pepper or do you need like asian?
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  Speaker 2: You need the right mix. And I do agree with
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  Speaker 2: you in terms of like there's some people on the
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  Speaker 2: cast that are redeemable, but then you have some to wear.
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  Speaker 2: It's like this dark cloud that is hovering over the show.
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  Speaker 2: And it used to be something to where you understood
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  Speaker 2: the complexities of the family dynamics, which which made Jerseys
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  Speaker 2: separate from the other franchises. Right it was family unit,
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  Speaker 2: family drama, the Italian American in New Jersey.
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  Speaker 1: But Honey, nowadays it's sort.
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  Speaker 2: Of like literally the Godfather, you know, it's good Fellas
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  Speaker 2: of the show. It's it's sort of like somebody has
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  Speaker 2: a target on their back, somebody's being marked, somebody's a rat.
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  Speaker 2: It's like did freaking like Martin Square Sacy like direct.
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  Speaker 1: This season because it's giving.
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  Speaker 2: Mob wives teas and that's not what used to be
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  Speaker 2: enjoyable about the show because listen the old days of Jersey,
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  Speaker 2: because I did seasons one and two and I remember
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  Speaker 2: it was sort of like this call to action to
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  Speaker 2: like give this franchise something new and different, and Bravo,
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  Speaker 2: who's one of the best in the business. They were
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  Speaker 2: so brilliant in terms of like, let's kind of like
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  Speaker 2: poke fun at this a little bit by making it
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  Speaker 2: a family show, but kind of like.
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  Speaker 1: The Godfather too, and right, and we all thought we.
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  Speaker 2: All thought Caroline Manzo was sort of like the Godmother, you.
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  Speaker 3: Know, and even though she speaks, it's like a little
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  Speaker 3: lower and.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it was sort of like your thin is the
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  Speaker 2: you know, who is this badass? And she was weirdly
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  Speaker 2: enough the voice of reason. And I think, what's happening
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  Speaker 2: this season? And I'll get into this recent episode. I
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  Speaker 2: cannot wait to update you, honeyway happened?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, but I feel bad I didn't watch.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, You're got It's better you didn't because I
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  Speaker 2: get to get your natural reaction. So no, it's something better.
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  Speaker 2: There's no voice of reason there. There isn't a voice
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  Speaker 2: of reason, and I think that's what's missing. And I
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  Speaker 2: think that's what's needed. And when you learned that the
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  Speaker 2: reunion was canceled, I know what message did that send
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  Speaker 2: for you as a viewer.
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  Speaker 3: Look, reunions from my understanding, which again you would know
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  Speaker 3: this is better than me. But they get paid a
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  Speaker 3: lot to do it. It's like a big paycheck for them.
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  Speaker 2: You get paid three two to three episode old in
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  Speaker 2: total for that one day.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's a lot of money.
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  Speaker 1: Yea.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. And it's also like I really look forward to
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  Speaker 3: the reunions, like I normally like when there's a big
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  Speaker 3: reunion for a big show out, like I'll be like,
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  Speaker 3: make Ben take the girls so I can just like
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  Speaker 3: sit and watch in quiet and focus on it. I
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  Speaker 3: love reunions. He hates them, by the way. He's like,
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  Speaker 3: I'll never watch another reunion. I made him watch them
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  Speaker 3: during COVID. I'll never forget. But I just feel like
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  Speaker 3: having it canceled altogether, to me, sounds like reboot. It
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  Speaker 3: sounds like cancelation. It sounds like also punishment to the
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  Speaker 3: ladies that like, you didn't do your fucking jobs, so
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  Speaker 3: we're not We're now not going to give you a reunion.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's a very very bad sign. I would
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  Speaker 3: have watched it had it come out, Obviously, I do
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  Speaker 3: end up watching the episodes. I'm just not like it's
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  Speaker 3: not like Musty in the moment live viewing the way
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  Speaker 3: like OC will definitely be like on my Google calendar,
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  Speaker 3: like I have to watch in the night, like whatever.
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  Speaker 3: But I think it's a really bad sign and I
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  Speaker 3: think it's really disappointing. And I also think that, like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, for me, it's like we all have families.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody who has a family drama comes with families. I
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  Speaker 3: have six brothers and sisters. Somebody's always fighting, like there's
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  Speaker 3: always some kind of drama. It's normal. But I can't
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  Speaker 3: imagine being in a position where something happened where I
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  Speaker 3: just never spoke to my family again that I never like,
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  Speaker 3: life is so short. And I think there's something very
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  Speaker 3: like actually kind of dark and tragic about the Teresa
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  Speaker 3: Melissa Joe Louis situation. And I think that's also for me.
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  Speaker 3: I was trying to think about it, like why I
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  Speaker 3: don't like it so much, and I think part of
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  Speaker 3: it it's like it's just very dark. But I think
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  Speaker 3: it's a horror To go back for a question, I
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  Speaker 3: think it's a really horrible sign that their reunion was canceled.
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  Speaker 1: What about you, Yeah, now, listen it's honey.
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  Speaker 2: What is so interesting about all of this is the
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  Speaker 2: fact that we all said last season that something has
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  Speaker 2: to give.
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  Speaker 1: We all called out for it, we.
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  Speaker 2: Tweeted about it, we talk about it on each other
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  Speaker 2: respective podcast. It was something that was so obvious that
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  Speaker 2: this show cannot move forward with Melissa and Teresa being
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  Speaker 2: the same on the same show, especially when it was
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  Speaker 2: so obvious that this is the worst it's been and
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  Speaker 2: they're not going to talk to each other. And spoiler alert, Megan,
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  Speaker 2: you may not know this or you may know this,
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  Speaker 2: they do not speak to each other at all this season.
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  Speaker 2: Like finale, they do not say a word to each other.
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  Speaker 2: I felt like last season there should have been a
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  Speaker 2: reboot this season. What I think is happening is, look,
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  Speaker 2: nobody wants to sort of showcase that we're favoring one
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  Speaker 2: person or the other. If you choose Teresa, the Melissa
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  Speaker 2: fans will say, you, guys, favorite Teresa. If you choose Melissa,
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  Speaker 2: the tree huggers, which, by the way, Megan, I've already
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  Speaker 2: to go out at the jayl fans do not go
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  Speaker 2: after the Trea.
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  Speaker 3: I just on a side note, I'm in so much
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  Speaker 3: trouble for talking shit with you on my last podcast.
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  Speaker 3: It's like all over the internet, even like my friends
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  Speaker 3: who don't pay attention to stuff are like, why are
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  Speaker 3: you fighting with Jalo, And I'm like.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not.
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  Speaker 3: I just talked too much. As Carlos. I was like,
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  Speaker 3: I feel like I'm just talking shooting this ship with you,
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  Speaker 3: my son. Thousands of people are gonna listen. Oh wait, sorry,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, look, you're.
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  Speaker 1: Talking more, man, I mean, what's wrong with that?
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  Speaker 3: Oh no, but I feel bad now. I feel like
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  Speaker 3: I can probably ruined Jlo's date. I mean to or
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  Speaker 3: you know, maybe.
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  Speaker 1: I have said that on our podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Guys, if you haven't listened, go to Citnis in McCaine
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  Speaker 2: and then listen to the episode.
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  Speaker 1: I like to make sure people get the full story.
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  Speaker 2: You even said on our episode, though, Maggot, I don't
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  Speaker 2: want it to appear that I'm like yeah.
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  Speaker 3: But that being said, I think Jlo she could use
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  Speaker 3: some new, a new PR person. I do think like
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  Speaker 3: she could use a younger person help, or just a
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  Speaker 3: someone with a fresh vision of her career working with
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  Speaker 3: her right now.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think, Well, you were on the Watch What
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  Speaker 2: Happens Live recently with Melissa Gorgo?
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  Speaker 1: How was your experience with Melissa?
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  Speaker 2: Because the thing is this, I've never met Melissa in person.
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  Speaker 2: How is Melissa Gorgo like our audience really wants to know,
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  Speaker 2: like give us the tea, Sister.
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  Speaker 3: I've actually been on Watch What Happens Live with her
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  Speaker 3: more than once. She was Actually when I was on
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  Speaker 3: Watch Happens Live before the pandemic hit, she was like
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  Speaker 3: the person like that. The live show I did was
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  Speaker 3: with her as well, so it was funny. I haven't
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  Speaker 3: gone on in person since the pandemic, so I have
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  Speaker 3: to say, first of all, she is speaking of j Lo.
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  Speaker 3: I told her, you look like j Lo to me, like,
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  Speaker 3: she's just there's not a blemish on that woman's body.
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  Speaker 3: She's forty five, because she told me, And she's just,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, stunning. I don't know what these women are
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  Speaker 3: doing in New Jersey, but I don't look like Melissa.
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  Speaker 1: She's gorgeous. Yes.
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  Speaker 3: In fact, this is so funny. I'll tell you this.
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  Speaker 3: I put pictures on my Instagram up afterward, and my
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  Speaker 3: brother who is in the army and is deployed right now,
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  Speaker 3: who like hardly ever checks his phone and never messages me.
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  Speaker 3: They can only do it like at certain times. And
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  Speaker 3: he texted me and he goes who it said, she's
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  Speaker 3: so hot, and I told him Melissa. I went back
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  Speaker 3: because she demed her and I was like, just FYI,
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  Speaker 3: you made my brother's day.
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  Speaker 1: I love that for Melissa. So on the podcast, I
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  Speaker 1: call her Melissa Lopez. So this is good. This is good.
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  Speaker 3: She does look like they really do look like they
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  Speaker 3: could be sisters or something. But she's lovely. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: she's been beyond nice to me, like a very pleasant
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  Speaker 3: like kind like when I met her before, I had
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  Speaker 3: the same experience. She's really I really like her. I
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  Speaker 3: think she's really nice and really I had a very
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  Speaker 3: pleasant experience with her, not like because I said j Low,
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  Speaker 3: she's lovely, Like we didn't talk about anything like really
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  Speaker 3: with the show. It was just like her family. I
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  Speaker 3: think she was taking a trip to Greece or something
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  Speaker 3: right after that, and we talked about like kids stuff
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  Speaker 3: like boring mom stuff. But she's no. I really like
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  Speaker 3: her a lot. But I've also met Teresa and I
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  Speaker 3: really liked her a lot. So what are you what
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  Speaker 3: are you gonna do. I don't want to choose a
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  Speaker 3: fighter in this I want everybody to get along and
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  Speaker 3: make great TV. Like that's what I want, you know. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: but she's a really nice person.
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  Speaker 1: Now that's good.
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  Speaker 2: No. I know people who know her too, and they
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  Speaker 2: all have said she's very nice. And listen, I have
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  Speaker 2: said in nausea, I'm on this show. I think she's
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  Speaker 2: a very, very beautiful woman. And she's a great mom. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: she's a really great mom, and she did a good
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  Speaker 2: job raising her children. So again, I think she's fantastic.
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  Speaker 2: What has happened in this season, though, Megan, is the
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  Speaker 2: fact that Jackie Goldschneider.
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  Speaker 1: Is she's back. By the way, did you think she
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  Speaker 1: was boring?
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  Speaker 3: You know? I again, I like these women seem nice. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to always and there's not against Melissa,
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  Speaker 3: but like I like crazy, you know, I like drama,
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  Speaker 3: Like I like eccentric people in life and on television,
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: and Jackie seems like a girl. I'd go, like, you
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: know whatever, have lunch with and like we go shopping
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: and that's great. But I like a little bit of
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: like a psycho bitch TV. And I'm really na gidding
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: it with these people. And I say that like respectfully,
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: but like, you know, like everybody's got a little bit
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: of crazy, like the great reality stars, like the truly
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: great ones. There's there's like a twang of crazy in
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: it because you have to be crazy to have your
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: life films in that way and like, you know, live
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: your life in this fish bowl in this way. So again,
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: I think she seems like a perfectly nice person. I'm
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: just surprised she's back. It seems like bringing up drama
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: for the show, like like what she kind of didn't
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: really do when.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: She was on before, Well that was the thing so
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: obviously when she was on the show full time because
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: she's a friend of you know now, it was like
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: Jackie versus Teresa. What's been happening this season though, Megan
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: is Jackie and Teresa are friends, and Jackie, who used
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: to be like close friends with Melissa and Margaret, she's
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: sort of distancing herself away from that collective, and Melissa
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: has caught her out recently saying this is on the
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: show last week saying that why are you defending Teresa?
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: Teresa also somebody who tried to bring your marriage and
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: all these things and Jackie said, Melissa, I see.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: What you're doing.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: You're trying to take me backwards. Me and Teresa have
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: moved on. I see what you're doing. I'm not falling
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: for it. So it did appear to be this sort
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: of like alliance that was forming with the show. Now
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: it appears that Jackie is team Teresa and team Jennifer Aiden.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: A lot of people have said that.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: Jackie is doing this because she's trying to make herself
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: relevant by doing the total opposite of what's expected of
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: her in order to have staying power on the show.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: I agree with that, I think, and I think it's
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: just her behavior switching. It's almost sometimes like reality stars
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: when they're demoted, because I think like Countess Luanne was
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: a friend of for she was. Yeah, Like there's definitely
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: when you're demoted a friend of like sometimes you know,
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: you're trying to get back on with the airtime and
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: trying to like be a big look you and I
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: know better than anybody like that red light and camera
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: and being on TV is like it's heroin to some people.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: It's not to me, thank god, but like to some
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: people it is. It is the thing that gets them
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: going in the morning. It's the only thing that matters.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: And I think, once you've had it, and then you
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: don't have it again. I know, even just like for
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: me going from like being on TV every day for
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: like almost eight years and including other shows I hosted
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: before I coosed de View, and then coming off of it,
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: there isn't a dream and like rush that you have
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: to like go let go of. So I think, like
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: maybe Jackie just misses it and wants to, like, you know,
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: I don't know, be on the show again.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: You know what's so interesting is because I've always compared
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: the View to the Real Housewives, right.
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: I think, I think, yes, And you need villains.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: For the people at the bag.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: You need a foil Oh my god, kiss, Someone responded
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: relate to like villains on Housewives. I'm always like, get up, break,
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: somebody's gonna do it.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: Someone please Meghan Rosie Elizabeth Hasselback be pleased.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, is that too much for a girl to
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: ask for? I agree with you.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: I've always said the View to me was like the
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: Real Housewives in the sense, uh you had what we
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: call the the archetype, the girl next door, Sarah Haynes
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: Roy you know the book smart person. In this case,
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: that would be Sunny Houston. And then at one point
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: I was Starr Jones, you sort of and then.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: You have your Queen Bee.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: You know, it was Rosie one point Mayor de Vieira
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: now woo be Goberg.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: And then you had your bill it Meggan.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: McKay, Elizabeth Assa back and again Rosie o'donald. So what
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: was interesting is what I love about you because again
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: I'm going someplace with this rain drop, so keep up.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: Is I'm making a point here.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: When a housewife either leaves the show or gets demoted,
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: there is this sort of thirst of I missed the cameras,
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: I missed the I missed the action.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: I want to get involved in it more.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: Even when they quit, they still have this this need
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: to like get back there. What I appreciate about you
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: is the moment you quit the view, you weren't thirsty
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: to get back on TV, because I remember talking to
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: you and You're like, I got so many offers for
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: me and ban your husband to do a show. And
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: I remember telling you, Megan, I would watch that like
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: every fucking day, like that's my morning, Joe, Like you
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: give me that girl.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: I would watch it.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: I still want us to do that, like to do
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: like a and I like Joe and Meek. I'm friends
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: with them on Morning Joe, but like they want us
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: to do like the conservative version of that. And let
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: me tell you, like An and Night's politics don't align
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: completely and be like it would my marriage. I went
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: roun my marriage because both of us are like workhorses,
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: and I would be like we would fight so much,
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: and then I have a hard time disconnecting and not
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: making things personal. That's just me, like and like, don't
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: be mean to me, like even on air, off air,
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: so it would never work. But yeah, I don't. I
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: don't really like it sounds. I'm doing this podcast it's film,
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: but we only have to tape once a week all day,
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: which is really nice. And I actually don't love being
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: on TV the way a lot of people do. And
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: I what saved me is having being the you know,
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: Neppo baby, being around cameras my entire life in one
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: way or another. It's not as special to me like
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: it's It wasn't as exciting and I just I don't know,
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: I don't. I don't miss it. Maybe I should, I
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: don't know. I also just like hate all the like
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: shit you have to do with bring you on camera,
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: like the hair, the makeup of clothes, the like spanks,
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: the bu But like I just I'm so trashy.
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: I just like, like not hav anywear makeup, So I
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: just don't want.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: To do it anymore.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Crack me up.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: One thing I will say is we all miss the
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: hairstyles you have fun with doing COVID.
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: Hey, Carmen my amazing hair stylist by the way, who
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: still does my hair today and she does my makeup too.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: She does both. She is like a true genius, like
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: Diamond in the Rough hair in DC, and she's like
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: the most creative person I ever worked with. And people
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: gave her shit for working with me, and she never cared,
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: which is really like, I applaud her that she never
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: she has never cared at all, which is really nice.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: No, we love you, we love you, we love you.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: So what advice would you give? Because the thing is
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: this what's happening on reality TV, especially as we're seeing
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: with Jersey. Jackie liked you like you said, she seems
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: so sweet. I kind of agree with you too, Like listen,
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: I like Jackie a lot, But it does appear this
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: switch and alliance is to get airtime, and a lot
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: of people like Vicky Galveston, who is desperately trying to
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: get back as a full time housewife on BOC. It's
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: hard for someone to have the lights, camera action and
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: then either walk away from it or they get pushed
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: out of it. What did you What advice would you
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: give someone who either walked away from a big reality
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: show or was dismissed who may we miss it? But
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: it doesn't mean you have to thirst four because you
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: will then lose a sense of yourself.
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: You know. It's it's interesting because for me, like I
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: had to go really radio silent for a long time
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: where I was just like not really talking to anybody
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: like in like and I just been like in media
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: circles because I was like, I just need time to myself.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: This sounds very dramatic, but when my dad ran for
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: president and lost, he went to Sedona and then was like,
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: you know, made us all be like grateful for the
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: experience and grateful that even had you know, he's one
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: of like whatever twenty people. I'm sorry, there's more than that,
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: like one hundred something people in history that could have
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: been president. And then he didn't feel sorry for himself
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: and he focused on something else and moved on. And
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: I actually use that model like I went to Sedona,
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: I didn't feel sorry for myself. I focused on something
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: else and I moved on, and what I focused on
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: was kids, my kids. And then at the time I
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: was writing for the Daily Mail and just start focusing
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: like on strict politics again like my work that's just
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: in like the meat and potatoes, clean cut political space.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: And I think you just have to focus on something
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: else and trust your judgment that it wasn't right for
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: you or things come and go for a reason. And
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: I mean this sincerely, Like had I would never have
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: survived this era of the view. Just like on a
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: personal level, I love getting to work with people that
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: I love and that I'm friends with and we have
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: great connections with and like laughing through your work all
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: day is what makes life so important. And I could
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: never be in a space right now, especially because I'm
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: a mother now where I'm not miserable all the time
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: and you just feel like lonely, like life's too short.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: I'm almost forty. I'll be forty in October. Like I
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: don't want to live like that, and you know, it
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: just it's just not for me. Like I also feel
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: like it'll never be like take try and take it
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: as like a chapter in your life, like if you're
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: a reality TV star and you move on, or you're
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: on the view and you move on, like try and
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: take it for what it is and then move on.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: And I don't know, but it's I know people who
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: have left many different things and if that's like you
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: know whatever, running for president and losing other candidates who
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: never became the nominee, or people who had big jobs
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: and got canceled or fired like yet you know, like me,
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: they have a very hard time with life post camera.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: Like I've seen it a million times. And I actually
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: talked to Brian Stilter, who is a CNN reporter about
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: this when he came on my podcast about I love him. Yeah,
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: he's great and he's very smart, and he was fired
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: from CNN, and he talked about how he felt like
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: he was worried he was addicted to the red light,
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: that he was addicted to the camera, and he was
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: addicted to being on TV and he had to sort
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: of like wean himself off as well. So I think
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: it's a true addiction, being addicted to being on TV.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: That is so fascinating.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: It really is, because it brings me to John Fuda,
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: who I think is addicted.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: That man speaking of addiction.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: On television, John Fiuda, I like you save.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Me the mean tweets. I'm teasing, no but all josephs igh.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: The alleged biggest truck dealer, wasn't it Burgen County?
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: I think is hilarious by the way they were like.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: He just put like sold pot once or something. I
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: don't know, it's.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: No see so SnO. So that's what he said.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Okay, so this past episode backet John and his wife Rachel.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: They have a double date with Teresa and Louis.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, Teresa, get this honey. To Teresa's credit, she apologized.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: She said, look, if you thought what I called you
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: the biggest drug dealer in Bergen County that I was
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: talking about currently, I'm sorry. I wasn't talking about currently.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: I was talking which is a which is kind of
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: a back end compliment.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: I was not talking about currently.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: I was talking about things I was told that happened
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: in the past, right, And he said.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: I interrupted about Teresa. I always feel like she's apologizing,
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: but she shows shade row shade, remember, and she was like,
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: you didn't call me, she didn't call you a raccoon face.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: She was talking about Kathy. Yeah. Where He's like, that's not.
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: You're apologizing, Shane.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: Is someone else? This is like old school.
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: And she called Kathy, I'm sorry, honey, it's Teresa isums
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: you know.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: That's so she's like, call you walk currently It's like, well, Teresa,
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: I don't think he's.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: Saying he was whatever, boo boo, but well we'll take it.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: So apology no.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: So this was the thing that was so fascinating Megan.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: So first of all, it was a i'll call a
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: double day. It was a two men, two men, husband wife.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: The only two people talking the entire time was Teresa
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: and John Fuda. Rachel could not get a word in
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: edgewise because John is Jane. He is the real housewife
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: in New Jersey.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: He took the purse strings from Joe Gorga and decided
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: to like lay it on the table because he really
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: wants to be like the star of the show.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: So he's like, I wasn't a drug dealer. I sold pot.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: And that was back in the day and he said,
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: I'm not accepting your apology. You you need to continue apologizing,
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: And it was sort of like John, Dear John Feuda,
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: why are you feuding with this woman across from you
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: when her husband is sitting next to you? And I
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: don't know, call me old school Meggan mcambe, I would
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: love to get your thoughts. I just think it's weird
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: to have a ferocious conversation with a woman across from
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: you when her husband is sitting next to her. And
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: I feel like addressed the husband with that venom and
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: not necessarily the wife.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: And I thought that John was trying to get a
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: moment out of Teresa.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: I agree with that, and I would not come for Teresa.
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: I think she's a reality TV legend and she's been
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: on TV for what like almost twenty years? I mean,
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: how long has she been beat like a I mean,
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: I've been watching Teresa on television since I was like
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: in college. I mean, and again I'm almost forty, Like,
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: I mean, she's a I would go so far as
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: to say Teresa's an American treasure. I love Teresa. I
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: really they could film her until I'm eighty and I'll
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: continue to watch it. I don't really know. I don't
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: watch the fight, but I will. I don't know what
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: John Fuda is doing. And I also do the de
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: agree it's disrespectful with Louie sitting there and then probably
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: uncomfortable for Rachel, but he does seem like he's loving
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: being on TV and again like great love being on TV.
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: Like know your rank too, you know you're going for
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: the queen. I'm just saying she's Theresa is one of
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: the greats ever, like not just housewives, but like great
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: television people, like of all time. And I think her
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: statements when she's like I've given birth, I've gone to jail,
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: I've buried my children, or I'm sorry, I buried my parents,
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: like all the things that she said she's done on TV,
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: like she lays it out there. She does not hide
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: some of these housewives that we've talked about in the past,
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: like and Beverly Hills and whatever that I have to
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: read on the seventy Bravo Instagram accounts I follow get
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: my UNI and they're not being honest. Like I'm fucking
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: over it. I am over it. Hear me. Now, Carlo
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: is King, if you are not gonna be a reality
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: TV star showing me your entire life. Don't be a
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: reality TV star. What's the point. If you're gonna be
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: like guarded and only want to show safe things, then
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: I'm I don't think you deserve your your your what
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: Jersey doesn't hold anything. I was gonna say, I don't
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: know what you don't hold your I don't deserve her,
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: but they don't hold the thing.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: Sorry, I could not agree with you more listening, and
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: I yes, I'm biased because I worked with her before
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: and she is a legend. She's an icon, but she's
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: not mediocre. And if she was mediocre, I would like
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: her and love her still, but I wouldn't be going
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: hard for her as I do now. I think the
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: issue that I have with John is, Look, I appreciated
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: last week's episode where Rachel stood up to Teresa. I
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: was like, no, you know, I mean she was throwing digs,
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: which I was like, again, it's a sport, and I
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: like a sport. I'm not too sure I want to
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: see this sport between John and Teresa to this degree
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: because John Fieuda then Megan McCain, he proceeds to do
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: the housewife thing, which is he got up on the
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: table and walked away.
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: Don't shouldn't do that? No, no, I also grow up,
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: you're a man. Come on, like not to be like whatever,
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: but come on, ridiculous right No?
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: He he got up from his chair, honey and stormed
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: out of there and was calling her out of her name, like,
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: but not out of her name. I want to be
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: very clear. He was throwing digs at her as he.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: I just again, for me, it was the typical housewife
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: playbook that I expect an actual housewife to do or
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: a thirsty demoted friend of to do in order to
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: get relevance back on the show.
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and again, that's not really that. I mean, thank
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: you for giving me the rundown, but that doesn't sound
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: like the most compelling episode of New Jersey I've ever walked, Theresa,
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: I always want prostitution wor nineteen times engaged like you know,
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: the classic table flip crazy like that's how you gotta
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: love this stuff. I mean, it's so wild, you know,
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: I don't know. That's why I really want them to
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: bring back real house Lives of DC. I still think
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: that's like, I know, we have Potomaca. It looks wonderful,
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: but like, I would love a DC reboot if it's possible.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of Real Housewives of DC like fans
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: that's in the universe of Bravo, because I would love
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: to see a political adjacent right real Housewives show only
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: because of the times that we're in. And I tell
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: people this all the time. For the longest time, I
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: got my political news from the View because it was
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: met with entertainment and conversation and let's be real here
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: at some arguments, so.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: It fed me everything.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: I would rather get my news from the View than
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: watching Anderson Cooper talk about it on Andy three sixty
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: like I was. I was way more into, like I
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: need to know what they're talking about. So a Real
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Housewives of DC where it's political adjacent.
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: I think will be dope.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: But I would need for you to be the first
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: multiplier of Megan McCain and the Queen Bee of the show.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: Would you ever consider it?
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: No, I told you, I haven't offered so many reality
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: TVs stuff before, and I just like, I'm not. I'm
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: not as crazy as people think, Like, just because I've
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: bought a lot on the View about like politics, that's
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: very different than throwing tables I'm actually like pretty mellow
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: in person, but I know some people that are good
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: and if they didn't do Real Housewives of DC, I
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: do think I actually have, Like I pitched this and
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: no one was interested, but a reality show about Hill
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: staffers living together kind of like the real world, but
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: they have to be like ones, you know whatever. Marjorie
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: Tayler Green's like you know, interners. One is like you
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: know whatever, Jamal Bowman like like anyone. So it's like
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: left and right being forced to like co exist together.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: But I am told that politics people are like rejecting
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: politics and only want to have much like me. I
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: guess be like you know, messy drama that's more entertaining
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: and less political. So I don't know, we'll see, but
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of good franchises come back. I also
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: think Real Housewmes of Scottsdale is an untapped like would
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: be an on top market as well, because scott sails
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: like lots of money, lots of like tech money, lots
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: of athletes, lots of like musicians. There's a lot of
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: like musicians that live there, and I think like there's
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: like an un top show in that too.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: Did I ever tell you this. I think I told
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: you this. I pitched a scott Stale show years ago. No,
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: I didn't tell you this.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: No, so exclusive for the rain drops and Megan apparently Okay,
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: this is Girl twoenty seventeen.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: Okay, I found a group of high because Scottsdale.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of like rich people in Scottsdale, Arizona,
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: and they're gorgeous and it's and it's different degrees of
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: like professions there that I was like, Oh, I didn't know,
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: like we had like a baseball why we had somebody
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: in the tech industry.
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: It was.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: It was very much diverse in terms of like their profession.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: Long story short, found this amazing group of women friends
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: as well, and pitched the show.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: No one bought it.
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: That surprises me.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: I know now, granted this is twenty seventeen, but Girl,
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: I'm with you.
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: Like, I'm really actually shocked by that. I think you
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: could revisit that. Honestly, there's a lot of money in Scottsdale,
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: like a lot. It's like Beverly Hills in the desert.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: Trust me, that's always the one I wish that would
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: come because I would love it. But you know, I
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: guess we're just gonna have to stick with Salt Lake City.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: And with no Monica.
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know I really like Monica. I like I really.
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: When I went on watch Herabin's Life, I said it
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: was a mistake to leave her, to have her not
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: come back. I like her. I think she's really messy.
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: She's what I want, a reality star again. Do I
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: want her like, you know, like talking to me about
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: the election?
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: No?
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: I don't. Do I want her like you know, doing
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: serious things.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: No?
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: Is she a perfect reality star? Yes? And I know
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: that people are like, you know, how could they film
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: with her? Whatever? I bet And I have nothing to
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: back this up other than my own instincts. This upcoming
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: season of Saltlic City will be disappointing without her.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: I can just feel it, Honey, call me the Jacksons.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: Can you feel it?
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: Like?
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: Can you feel it in the air? Like I'm with you?
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: And this has nothing to do with like this sort
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: of you know where stands a Monica? Look, I'm somebody.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: I literally have this conversation recently with somebody. I am
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: able to separate your bad behavior in terms of what
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: you did versus like what's good television? Again, if I
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: look at bad behavior about like, is it an offense
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: that you can get arrested for?
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? And spend time in jail?
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: Like to that degree, it's like, Okay, that's a little
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: too much pretending to be someone's friend and to extract
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: information from them and to be a part of a blog.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: To me, Megan McCain is not the worst thing world.
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: No, it's not Jen Shaw. She didn't steal from old
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: elderly people and go to jail, you.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: Know, yeah, no, precisely, precisely.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: So for me, it's sort of like, look, anyways, girl,
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: I'm with you. I definitely think that the Real House
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: Squatters saw Like City next season.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: It's going to be disappointing.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: I haven't heard too much about it, which may not
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: be the greatest thing, because you at least want to
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: hear something.
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: I have to talk to you about this. Do you
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: believe it's Kenya Moore stuff that just came out? But
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: I don't know if your friends there or whatever, but
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: that I'm definitely watching this new Atlanta. And I told
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: you I had taken a beat for a few seasons,
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: just like it was too much cash shake up. I
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: love the ogs. I really wanted Phaeder to come back, like,
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: you know, I want Needy to come back. I'm sure
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: that's not possible given their legal stuff or whatever. But
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: I love Kenya Moore. But I just read this thing
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: that she apparently like did something with revenge porn or
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: allegedly don't sue me. I don't know. It's just what
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: people are chattering about on Instagram, and I was like,
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: I don't know what that is, but it sounds insane
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: and I'll certainly be watching when it airs well that thing.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: No, So again, I don't know much.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: I need to put on my Scooby Doo hat and
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: cop in my Scooby Doo ban and get the tea girl.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: But it's one of those things where we want to
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: know what's going on, we want to know what's happening.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: And I do think this this. I don't think anybody
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: watches reality reality television to be the morality police, like
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: it's it's sort of like when outlandish things occur, people watch.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: Again, I said this to you before, Megan. I stopped
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: watching Down the Pump Rules years ago.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: I just stopped watching it until this scandalal thing happened.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: I'm like, wait, what the fuck is what and then
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: I started watching it again. Even when you talk about
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: the Real housewats of DC when when that I'm forgetting
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: their last names, but thank you when they.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: Crash the White House Girl.
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: So pictures with our President, That's.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: What I guess what I waited until, like that episode
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: air to be like, that's the kind of stuff we
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: want to see. It's sort of like this very entertaining
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: mess on the worst of your good friend Erica Jane,
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: a pretty mess.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: We like to see a pretty mess.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: We like to be able to see something that isn't
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: so like dark and there is a fine line between
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: darkness and like messy entertainment that we love to see.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: And again, no one's watching these shows to take notes
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: on how to raise your families, Like.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: We're not We're good totally, We're good there.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: We have great parents, grandparents, and we have twenty five
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: seasons of the Upper Winfrey Show to watch and learn
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: something from those seasons. But we're watching reality televisionally gets
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: a mess. So the thing with the Real House of
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: Watching New Jersey. Final thought, Megan, sure, are you going
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: to continue watching this season or it depends on your
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: mood week by week.
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: I will keep watching just because like I watch them,
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: but like I said, it's not appointment television to me
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: right now, which honestly makes me really sad because you know,
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: we look as much as it's like, I think pop
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: culture is really important, and I think it's really valuable,
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: and I think entertainers and entertainment is extremely important, especially
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: like in this moment in American life, which is very
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: polarized and very dark and very heavy, and so I
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: love good reality TV and I'm just really disappointed that
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: the show isn't you know what I want. I love, like,
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: you know, the New Jersey to me was like the
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: one that really the force multiplier to use yours, like
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: the one who really upped the ante. Like when it
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: came in, it was like so strong for so long,
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: so many seasons, so many iconic moments, and to see
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: it turn into this is like not great. I do
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: hope that everyone involved with the show can listen to
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: the fans and just know, like, I don't know what
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: the change should be. I'm not a reality TV producer,
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: but I think that a change needs to happen. I
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: don't know what that looks like. But it can't go
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: on like this. It can't go on with Melissa and
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: Teresa being the two giant stars of the show not
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: speaking to each other ever. And also, like I said,
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: there's a part of it that makes me uncomfortable, which
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: it's okay to make me uncomfortable and like cringe, oh
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: my god, like I need to text Carlos. Way, it's
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: another to make me uncomfortable that it makes me just
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: sad for their family. And I think it's the part
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: with the kids, like when they did the baseball game
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: and like the cousins they're like it was like Melissa
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: was telling her son like say, hiding her aunt, and
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: like it was just uncomfortable. And I don't like the
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: watching that, So that's a big feeling. But of course
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: I'll still watch. I always watch. I even fucking watch Dubai.
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'll watch watch, and I don't like Dubai.
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: It's terrible so far. Except for Chanel. She's the good one, right,
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: Like I like her. She's the one that another Azba
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: be basic one. I love her, but it's not Dubai
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: really was not the you know, it's not really where
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: I would like my reality television to be. I don't
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: even remember some of the casts of hers name, So
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna keep wanting New Jersey.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: I love me now, you see why me and Megan
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: our friends, because she is my kind of mess. Megan,
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: please let the world know about your podcast and and
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: and talk to them though about what to expect from
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: the podcast, because you definitely talk about different topics as
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: like the politics, entertainment. And again, I'm not on her podcast,
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: guys to talk about what's happening with Trump and Biden.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: I'm talking about the reality mess. So that's why her
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: podcast is so great. But I have Megan talk to
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: you guys about that.
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's called Citizen McCain and you come on because
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: we talk about pop culture and reality TV a lot too,
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: because we just talk about what I'm interested in. But
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: it is political in some ways, well I guess in
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: a lot of ways. But we have people from all
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: sides come on and really just try and you know,
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: like talk out, you know, all the craziness that's happening
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: in the world and the crazy awful election that is
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: the least popular election of my lifetime that I can remember,
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: so you know, but I'm having fun doing it. Look,
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: anybody you have a hit, amazing podcast. It's so successful.
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: It is so much work. Never let anyone like ever
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: undermine anyone doing a podcast. It is a grind and
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: it's so much work. And I really respect what you've
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: built now too, because you have like incredible guests, and
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: I listen to your podcast all the time, and you know,
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: you just make so much news with so many different people,
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: and I love it. I mean, you know, you do
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: such an incredible work, and everybody loves you, Carlos. I
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: don't know what that feels like that everybody loves that
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: love you. I may love your show, you.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: Know, there's a couple of small groups of people, you know,
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: who are the opposite of that. But now listen, you
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: know I endure you, I love you, and I'm I'm.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: Such a chapping for you and anytime I'm.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: Able to let the world know the Megan that I
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: know like just fun and vibrant and silly and just
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: like You're my type of girl.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: And I'm always happy when you have me on.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: I'm so happy that you are on Reality with the
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: King again and we will have many many more episodes together.
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: Thank you and thank you. I love you and thank
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: you for having me. And yeah, I'm just so happy
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: to be back.
• 47:53
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