Latest / Overwhelmed Working Woman: Boost Productivity, Master Time Management, Overcome Overwhelm & Stop People Pleasing / #139| Why Organization is the Key to Productivity (Even if You Think You’re Not Good at It!)
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- 0:00Michelle Gauthier: If my whole house is clean at the same time, I feel like I can solve world hunger, whatever needs to happen.
- 0:06Michelle Gauthier: I got this.
- 0:07Michelle Gauthier: You're listening to Overwhelmed Working Woman, the podcast that helps you be more calm and more productive by doing less.
- 0:20Michelle Gauthier: I'm your host, Michelle Gauthier, a former overwhelmed working woman and current life coach.
- 0:24Michelle Gauthier: On this show, we unpack the stress and pressure that today's working woman experiences and in each episode you'll get a strategy to bring more calm, ease and relaxation to your life.
- 0:40Michelle Gauthier: Hello friend, I'm glad you're here today.
- 0:41Michelle Gauthier: I have a great guest for you today Tracy Hoth.
- 0:44Michelle Gauthier: She's a professional organizer with 17 years of experience and in today's conversation, she's going to give us the scoop on some simple, practical ways to get organized without the overwhelm.
- 0:56Michelle Gauthier: So she's going to teach you her five-step organizing method that works for everything from your closet to your digital files, to even the way that you're thinking about things.
- 1:05Michelle Gauthier: She's going to share the biggest mistake people make when trying to get organized and what to do instead, and how small, daily organizing habits can save you time and reduce your stress every day.
- 1:16Michelle Gauthier: So if you feel like you just weren't born with the organization gene.
- 1:20Michelle Gauthier: This episode will change the way you think about organizing.
- 1:23Michelle Gauthier: Let's dive in.
- 1:24Michelle Gauthier: Tracy and I were just having a side conversation before you all joined us, before I hit record about how we kept circling around each other and our names kept coming up to each other and we just feel like we were meant to connect.
- 1:36Michelle Gauthier: So I'm really excited to have you as a guest today.
- 1:39Michelle Gauthier: Thanks, Tracy, for being on.
- 1:41Tracy Hoth: I'm so glad to be here and it was fun.
- 1:44Tracy Hoth: We're from the same place.
- 1:45Tracy Hoth: We've lived in the same three states.
- 1:48Tracy Hoth: Yes, I mean, what are?
- 1:50Michelle Gauthier: the chances of that happening so weird?
- 1:51Michelle Gauthier: Yes, and I feel like I pitched to be on your podcast and did you pitch to be on mine?
- 1:56Michelle Gauthier: I can't remember.
- 1:57Michelle Gauthier: I think we were like simultaneously trying to get each other to be guests on our podcast.
- 2:01Michelle Gauthier: So it's just fun.
- 2:02Michelle Gauthier: Here we are, here we go, here we are.
- 2:05Michelle Gauthier: Yes, so will you tell us a little bit about your business and who you help, and then we'll jump into some some questions.
- 2:13Tracy Hoth: Yes, I have been helping people regular people, anybody get organized for 17 years.
- 2:19Tracy Hoth: I've been a professional organizer going into people's homes and offices and businesses.
- 2:24Tracy Hoth: I've been a professional organizer going into people's homes and offices and businesses and in 2017, I found life coaching and continued working online and in person with people to help them get organized, and I started a program called Organized Life Academy where I help people declutter.
- 2:39Tracy Hoth: We're on our fifth year.
- 2:41Tracy Hoth: We go over.
- 2:45Tracy Hoth: Like some years, we focus on decluttering, some organizing, we have book clubs, we just do all sorts of things.
- 2:48Tracy Hoth: This year, we're focused on routines and decluttering different areas of our home.
- 2:54Tracy Hoth: And then, about two or three years ago, because of my own experience starting an online business and feeling overwhelmed with all the stuff, I started having to apply like go back literally through my five steps and put it in place for my online business, for all the digital stuff and the time and all of that being in a whole different environment.
- 3:20Tracy Hoth: So I did that for myself and I thought, oh my goodness, other people that are not, that don't know the steps, that aren't naturally organized or have never felt like they were good at it how in the world are they running their businesses?
- 3:34Tracy Hoth: So now I also help people organize and systemize the back end of their business so they can find everything they need in seconds.
- 3:43Tracy Hoth: Okay, that's great.
- 3:46Michelle Gauthier: I bet that could probably work just for someone's work as well.
- 3:49Michelle Gauthier: You know, if you're just working at a job and you can't find anything, you don't know where your files are, you're disorganized in your process.
- 3:55Michelle Gauthier: I bet that could help just about anyone A hundred percent.
- 3:59Tracy Hoth: And that is so true because even my bookmarks bar, which is one of my favorite time-saving, the biggest return on investment if you organize your bookmarks bar, your favorites bar I learned from my son and he was just working in a regular job and he was like look, mom, and I said, wow, look at that, that is amazing.
- 4:19Tracy Hoth: I want to do that and it has literally been one of my favorite things.
- 4:22Michelle Gauthier: So yes, yeah, and that could work anywhere.
- 4:25Michelle Gauthier: One of my kids has like trouble staying super organized or really organized at all.
- 4:30Michelle Gauthier: Like his brain just isn't made that way.
- 4:33Michelle Gauthier: And having that bookmarks bar for him for Google, classroom and all the things that he needs to go to every day it sounds like such a small thing, but if you could add up all the time wasted to trying to find stuff, it's, it's amazing.
- 4:45Michelle Gauthier: Yes, I listened.
- 4:46Michelle Gauthier: I was listening to the episode of your podcast where you talk about like 10 things that you could do to get organized, and you guys should go listen to that episode.
- 4:54Michelle Gauthier: It was really good and, by the way, she says in there just choose one.
- 4:59Michelle Gauthier: You don't have to do all 10 things to get organized.
- 5:01Michelle Gauthier: But when I was listening to him, I was like this is the sister of my heart.
- 5:05Michelle Gauthier: Yes, you had some great ideas I hadn't thought of and some that I was like, yes, that is amazing.
- 5:17Michelle Gauthier: I totally agree with you on that.
- 5:18Michelle Gauthier: So where should we start?
- 5:18Michelle Gauthier: If you think about our audience here, we've got an audience of women who are working and feeling overwhelmed, and something that I consistently hear from them is that staying organized and decluttering is something that can helps their overwhelm continue.
- 5:32Michelle Gauthier: So where should we start?
- 5:34Michelle Gauthier: What kind of tips or what should we talk?
- 5:36Tracy Hoth: about.
- 5:37Tracy Hoth: I think the first place to start that's helpful is to just define what being organized means.
- 5:44Tracy Hoth: Okay, Because organization just means that you know what you have and you can find it when you need it.
- 5:51Tracy Hoth: Now I did listen to your episode where you're saying that your dad said you have bins within bins and they're all color coded, which totally is great, and once you get to that level, that is perfect and it's so fun and it feels so good.
- 6:06Tracy Hoth: But to begin with, being organized just means that you know what you have and you can find it, and people in your household can find it as well, so it helps to you know.
- 6:16Tracy Hoth: Add some labels so they know where things are too.
- 6:18Tracy Hoth: But once you think of it like that, it's not.
- 6:22Tracy Hoth: Like does my space compare to the pictures I see on Instagram and then always feeling bad about yourself.
- 6:29Tracy Hoth: So it doesn't have to look like those pictures, it doesn't have to look like anybody else.
- 6:34Tracy Hoth: But if you know what you have and you can find it, then you can feel good about it.
- 6:38Tracy Hoth: You have evidence that you are organized.
- 6:40Michelle Gauthier: Yes, I love that.
- 6:41Michelle Gauthier: That's so good.
- 6:42Michelle Gauthier: And just last night, yesterday, we had a snow day here and I was like I've got to get out of this house and so I went where is a great time to get out of the house and kill time?
- 6:52Michelle Gauthier: Marshall's and I walked around and I saw this cutest white like puffer vest and I was thinking that would be so cute with black leggings and a black T-shirt under.
- 7:01Michelle Gauthier: And I'm going to get it.
- 7:02Michelle Gauthier: And I came home and I showed it to my daughter and she's like mom, don't you remember that, like two months ago, you just got one of those?
- 7:08Michelle Gauthier: Like you found it on Facebook marketplace and you were so excited.
- 7:10Michelle Gauthier: And I went to my closet and, sure enough, there it was.
- 7:13Michelle Gauthier: And I was like this is a sign.
- 7:15Michelle Gauthier: Anytime I don't remember that I already own something.
- 7:17Michelle Gauthier: It's time to declutter my coat closet, cause I did not know that I had that.
- 7:22Michelle Gauthier: I mean, I knew when she reminded me.
- 7:24Michelle Gauthier: But and then she's like are you losing your mind, mom?
- 7:27Michelle Gauthier: Like not helpful, and maybe because yes, I love that definition because when I do feel super organized, I have a single of everything.
- 7:39Michelle Gauthier: I don't have duplicates of stuff and I know where their home is and I know where to find them.
- 7:43Michelle Gauthier: So I love that.
- 7:44Michelle Gauthier: That's a great definition.
- 7:45Michelle Gauthier: So people say right now, like if someone says to you I'm just not organized, or I just don't have the skills to organize, or what, what do you say back to that?
- 7:57Michelle Gauthier: Do you believe that's a skill that can be learned?
- 8:00Tracy Hoth: 100 percent.
- 8:01Tracy Hoth: Yes, it's a skill, and I have five steps that I've used for 17 years and they literally work with every single thing, meaning physical stuff, digital stuff, your mind If your mind feeling overwhelmed, this works for that, it works for planning a project and looking at your calendar.
- 8:20Tracy Hoth: It works for everything.
- 8:22Tracy Hoth: And so the acronym spells SPASM - very goofy and I don't know what I was thinking when I did this, but I've never changed it just for that reason, because it's memorable.
- 8:34Tracy Hoth: Yes, but when your muscle has a spasm, you can go.
- 8:38Tracy Hoth: Think of organizing.
- 8:40Tracy Hoth: Yes, but the first step to organizing is to sort, and so you don't have to make any decisions.
- 8:47Tracy Hoth: And that's the key to this step is that you just begin to sort.
- 8:52Tracy Hoth: So, let's say, your desk is really piled with stuff, or your kitchen counter.
- 8:55Tracy Hoth: You just pick something up and put it in a category, like with like.
- 8:59Tracy Hoth: So you have office supplies, you have pens, you have paper, you have maybe a pile would be elsewhere in the house so you just start sticking things in piles and then until the space is cleared, and then you go to the next stage, which is to purge.
- 9:17Tracy Hoth: The next step of the reason why we sort first is so that when we do begin to make decisions, we can see everything that we have.
- 9:29Tracy Hoth: So one time I helped a lady sort her or organize her closet and she, if I would have went in and pulled out a white short sleeve t-shirt, she would have said like no, I wear that all the time.
- 9:40Tracy Hoth: But when we sorted she had 19 white short sleeve t-shirts.
- 9:43Tracy Hoth: But when we sorted she had 19 white short-sleeved t-shirts.
- 9:46Tracy Hoth: And then, you see, so now she can make decisions when.
- 9:49Tracy Hoth: If we go in there and we try to make decisions first, it just doesn't happen.
- 9:53Michelle Gauthier: That is such a great example, that makes so much sense and that makes me feel less bad about my two white vests, because I didn't have 19, but I probably have seven vests.
- 10:07Tracy Hoth: How many days a year can you actually wear one?
- 10:09Tracy Hoth: Yes, and that's a great thing, speaking of closets to pull out all your jeans everywhere in the whole house and then you can purge that one pile so you don't have to dump all your clothes in the entire house in one spot and sort them.
- 10:22Tracy Hoth: You can just do jeans one day, short sleeve shirts that weekend, and you can keep going on that process and get something organized in a less overwhelming, less time consuming way, where, in the middle of it, you're stuck and you're like wait, oh, I'm too tired now.
- 10:39Tracy Hoth: This is stupid.
- 10:40Michelle Gauthier: Why did I even do this Totally been there the first time I read the life changing magic of tidying up that's the thing that she says to do is like get every single thing out and I had it all over the bed and then I couldn't go to sleep and I had to push it on the floor and it was like a two week thing.
- 10:55Michelle Gauthier: It was such a mess.
- 10:56Michelle Gauthier: So I love that, just piece by piece doing it, yeah, and when you're pulling, it out.
- 11:01Tracy Hoth: sort it too, because I think that's better.
- 11:03Tracy Hoth: And her show?
- 11:05Tracy Hoth: She just put a whole pile on the bed.
- 11:06Tracy Hoth: I'm like, oh my gosh, please at least sort it when you pull it out, so that it's in categories, yeah.
- 11:11Tracy Hoth: And then that next step is to purge.
- 11:13Tracy Hoth: So now you have everything in that category and now you can make decisions.
- 11:16Tracy Hoth: One of my favorite things is to use the favorites method, where you choose your favorite thing out of that.
- 11:23Tracy Hoth: What pen do you use all the time?
- 11:24Tracy Hoth: What style of planner do you like?
- 11:27Tracy Hoth: What vest do you wear all the time?
- 11:29Tracy Hoth: And then you can go to the other things and make decisions.
- 11:33Michelle Gauthier: Yes, I love that.
- 11:34Michelle Gauthier: That's so good and it's like shifts your mindset into what do I want to keep, instead of being so focused on what am I giving away?
- 11:42Michelle Gauthier: I love that.
- 11:43Tracy Hoth: And with kids especially too.
- 11:44Tracy Hoth: When you say, what do you want to give away, what should we get rid of?
- 11:48Tracy Hoth: Immediately, you can just feel them shrink up like grasping for their stuff because they think you're going to get rid of it.
- 11:53Tracy Hoth: So it's so helpful.
- 11:54Tracy Hoth: I agree, yes.
- 11:56Michelle Gauthier: Kids are.
- 11:56Michelle Gauthier: They are just built in little hoarders and I don't understand why when mine were little and I would get ready to give away some toys, even to their cousins, I'd try to sell it like it's just going to be at Jocelyn's house, you can play with it again.
- 12:12Michelle Gauthier: But then all of a sudden it would be like their favorite thing ever.
- 12:13Michelle Gauthier: Like a broken McDonald's Happy Meal toy was like their pride and joy.
- 12:17Michelle Gauthier: So I love that.
- 12:18Michelle Gauthier: That's such a great tip.
- 12:19Michelle Gauthier: Okay, so we've got the S, the P, the A.
- 12:23Tracy Hoth: The A.
- 12:24Tracy Hoth: Now that you know what you're keeping, you assign homes to the things that you're keeping, and so that's the puzzle part of it.
- 12:31Tracy Hoth: Like what do you use the most?
- 12:32Tracy Hoth: It needs to be the most accessible.
- 12:34Tracy Hoth: What do you?
- 12:35Tracy Hoth: What kind?
- 12:39Tracy Hoth: One of the things I like to do is work in zones, and so you would have the home for that item be where you use it.
- 12:45Tracy Hoth: Like maybe all the baking stuff is together near the counter where you bake, or maybe you have a reading zone where you have books and stuff you want to read, and a lamp and a you know your pens or whatever all in one spot.
- 12:57Tracy Hoth: So think about a zone and then also think about what needs to be accessible.
- 13:01Tracy Hoth: When you're deciding where the home is needs to be accessible, when you're deciding where the home is, and then the S is set limits.
- 13:09Tracy Hoth: Now this is sounds like one of your favorite things.
- 13:16Tracy Hoth: This is the container step, where you go out and you find containers for things.
- 13:18Tracy Hoth: So this could be a bookshelf, it could be a drawer, it could be the drawer divider or a basket, anything that helps you contain it or set a limit on it.
- 13:27Tracy Hoth: And I call it set limits because it's going to give you the signal that it's time to go back through the steps when the limit is reached.
- 13:36Tracy Hoth: Oh, I like that, yeah, so your socks start overflowing the section of the drawer and then you realize, ok, it's time for me to go through those and get rid of a few.
- 13:47Michelle Gauthier: I love that.
- 13:47Michelle Gauthier: That's such a great visual too that you can think about it Like if you have a little bin for I don't know something in the kitchen baking stuff, we have a little bin for baking stuff and, yeah, it needs to be it needs a second look right now.
- 14:02Tracy Hoth: Yes, and if you have an inbox for paper and it's overflowing, then it's your signal.
- 14:07Tracy Hoth: You need to get in there and go through the paper.
- 14:09Tracy Hoth: Go do it, I love it.
- 14:11Tracy Hoth: And do not buy any containers before you get to step four of the organizing process, because you don't know what you need, you don't know where the home is going to live and what size container you need.
- 14:22Tracy Hoth: And then the final step is to maintain.
- 14:24Tracy Hoth: So, just like our gardens, our weight, our laundry, like everything needs maintenance, and so I like to say tie it to something that you already do.
- 14:35Tracy Hoth: So tax time comes, you know you're going to do that.
- 14:39Tracy Hoth: Also, go through your file cabinet or paper wherever you keep that, and clean it out from the year or seasons especially with kids, seasons are a good time or the beginning of school, end of school, to go through closets.
- 14:51Tracy Hoth: That kind of thing is helpful.
- 14:54Tracy Hoth: To tie things, tie maintenance to stuff you already do.
- 14:59Michelle Gauthier: Okay, that's good, and I can just imagine, thinking down the line, if you clean out your paperwork once a year when you do your taxes, versus 10 years of not doing it, and then how long that's going to take.
- 15:11Michelle Gauthier: It's like spend 10 minutes or spend four hours later on on doing it.
- 15:17Tracy Hoth: Yes, or avoid it for 30 years.
- 15:20Tracy Hoth: One of my clients just said she she's done more in a month than she has in 30 years.
- 15:25Tracy Hoth: Because I think you have a plan.
- 15:28Tracy Hoth: You're told OK, this is what we're decluttering this month, this is what we need to work on, and then she's doing it.
- 15:34Tracy Hoth: It's so fun and she knows the steps done.
- 15:43Michelle Gauthier: Yes, and I bet that really helps when you have people in your group so that they can celebrate and get encouragement and share wins and all that stuff.
- 15:46Michelle Gauthier: That's just always so, so much more encouraging when you're trying to get stuff done.
- 15:50Tracy Hoth: Yes, I love it.
- 15:52Michelle Gauthier: I love your method.
- 15:53Michelle Gauthier: It's so simple and straightforward.
- 15:56Michelle Gauthier: Let's now that now that the audience kind of understands what the steps are, will you just take us through an example of, say, I don't know email or some other way that they could apply it, and just run through all five steps again?
- 16:10Tracy Hoth: Yeah, let's go through it with their computer.
- 16:13Tracy Hoth: Okay, so you get on your computer and I like to think of so there's two concepts I would teach with.
- 16:20Tracy Hoth: This is the power of one, or I call it the wonderful one is to decide the one location that something's going to live.
- 16:27Tracy Hoth: And so on your computer it would be your computer, possibly, or it would be an external hard drive or a cloud storage You're going to decide the one place that everything's going to live and then you're going to.
- 16:41Tracy Hoth: First step is to sort.
- 16:43Tracy Hoth: Now with paper or with your schedule.
- 16:48Tracy Hoth: You always try to sort into categories, so you might have some categories you already think of with your digital files or with paper that you're going to sort into.
- 16:58Tracy Hoth: There's files, so I think of a funnel, and when something comes into your computer, if you have a business, you'd have a business file.
- 17:08Tracy Hoth: If you have just home, it would be home.
- 17:10Tracy Hoth: So then let's just look at the home.
- 17:12Tracy Hoth: I have five files for business that I teach people.
- 17:15Tracy Hoth: But if people don't own a business, let's look at home.
- 17:18Tracy Hoth: What are the things that you need in home that you would probably have a category of?
- 17:23Tracy Hoth: There would be family, so I like to label really broad.
- 17:27Tracy Hoth: There would be a family file, maybe health, maybe money, and so you have family, health, money, and let's see what else you would have.
- 17:38Tracy Hoth: Don't make too many categories ahead of time.
- 17:40Tracy Hoth: And then you just take every file on your computer and you sort them into those categories and then you go back through each of those and you decide what do I want to keep, what do I want to get rid of?
- 17:53Tracy Hoth: Sometimes you want to rename something if it doesn't even have a name, and you can go through then the steps you would assign, homes to subfolders possibly, and in that case the limit is actually your storage.
- 18:06Tracy Hoth: How many people have had a computer that isn't running because the storage is full.
- 18:10Michelle Gauthier: They're like nope, you have too much crap on here.
- 18:14Tracy Hoth: A lot of podcasts.
- 18:15Michelle Gauthier: You know this a lot of podcasts makes up a lot of space on a computer.
- 18:19Tracy Hoth: Yes, so you know that's your signal to go back, or a lot of people would just add some more storage, but you could go back through then and purge and keep it nice and cleaned up.
- 18:31Michelle Gauthier: I love that I love it.
- 18:33Michelle Gauthier: So same concept, same could be true for your schedule anything really in life you could just use those five steps, okay, so I want to ask you the two questions that I ask everyone who's a guest on this show, and I feel like you'll have some great answers for this because of your line of work but tell us one thing that you can do to make yourself feel less overwhelmed.
- 18:56Tracy Hoth: Oh, this is perfect because the first step to anything when you're feeling overwhelmed is to sort.
- 19:02Tracy Hoth: So I would sort everything that's in my mind and I like doing this by putting things on a piece of paper so it might be calls I need to make computer work, I need to do things for my business, I need to do home things or family things, and then thoughts as well.
- 19:21Tracy Hoth: Sort all that out on paper and get it out there and then follow the organizing steps For the purge process of those categories.
- 19:29Tracy Hoth: I like to think is there anything here I can delay?
- 19:31Tracy Hoth: I'm not even thinking about it this month, or for 30 days or for the week, or whatever.
- 19:38Tracy Hoth: Delay, delegate Is there anything I can delegate?
- 19:40Tracy Hoth: Is there anything for sure I know I can delete?
- 19:43Tracy Hoth: And then, finally, what am I on here?
- 19:46Tracy Hoth: Am I actually going to do?
- 19:47Tracy Hoth: And same with thoughts?
- 19:48Tracy Hoth: You can delegate those thoughts to after 5 pm.
- 19:52Tracy Hoth: You do not think those until after 5.
- 19:56Tracy Hoth: Or you're going to delete that thought or you're going to delay that until next month, or whatever it is you're going to delete that thought, or you're going to delay that until next month, or whatever.
- 20:03Michelle Gauthier: it is yes, perfect.
- 20:04Michelle Gauthier: And then what do you end up with at the end, like the list of things that you really need to do and you feel clear about it.
- 20:09Michelle Gauthier: Is that the end result?
- 20:11Tracy Hoth: Yes, the end.
- 20:12Tracy Hoth: After I purge those categories and then I assign homes to those, then they would go on my calendar, the thoughts that I want to think.
- 20:21Tracy Hoth: Maybe would go in my journal, or I'd put them on a spot on my calendar, even like, make sure I go think these thoughts and then my piece of paper is gone, everything's assigned home and I do.
- 20:33Tracy Hoth: Yes, my shoulders drop.
- 20:35Tracy Hoth: I can feel it already.
- 20:36Michelle Gauthier: Yeah, Just even talking about it Relaxed.
- 20:40Michelle Gauthier: Yeah that's great.
- 20:41Michelle Gauthier: And then the other question that I always ask is what's something that you do in order to do less?
- 20:48Tracy Hoth: The main thing that I love the most that I have done to do less is to have a cleaning lady come in and clean my house.
- 20:58Michelle Gauthier: Yes, yes, clean my house.
- 21:00Tracy Hoth: Yes, yes, now purge or declutter could be part of that, but it has.
- 21:04Tracy Hoth: It is the most like.
- 21:10Tracy Hoth: I don't know why I waited so long.
- 21:11Tracy Hoth: Well, probably because we were on a really tight budget.
- 21:12Tracy Hoth: But it is been the biggest joy and I love her so much to have the entire house cleaned at one time and me never have to think about cleaning again.
- 21:23Michelle Gauthier: Yes, it's amazing.
- 21:25Michelle Gauthier: And do you feel guilty about it?
- 21:27Michelle Gauthier: No, I'm like why?
- 21:31Tracy Hoth: Why would I feel guilty?
- 21:32Michelle Gauthier: I'm always encouraging people to outsource things, and I find that for them to think about getting someone to clean their home.
- 21:40Michelle Gauthier: For some of my clients, they feel guilty, they feel bad about it, they feel like they should be able to do it themselves.
- 21:47Michelle Gauthier: So I was just wondering if you struggled with that or if, as soon as you had the budget for it, you were like I'm doing this.
- 21:53Michelle Gauthier: I'm doing it?
- 21:55Tracy Hoth: No it is so much joy and, if you think about it, you're giving someone else an opportunity to earn money for their family and you have so much time to do other things.
- 22:05Tracy Hoth: It's the best thing in the world, yeah especially for someone.
- 22:09Michelle Gauthier: I'm speaking for myself here, but I bet you're the same way.
- 22:11Michelle Gauthier: I have a very low tolerance for clutter and a mess, and so if my whole house is clean, at the same time I feel like I can solve world hunger, whatever needs to happen.
- 22:22Michelle Gauthier: I got this, and so just the mindset that it puts me in and the things that I can get done when I know, for example, that my bathroom that I can't even kind of see from here is clean, it's just crazy how it works.
- 22:35Tracy Hoth: I love how you said that.
- 22:36Tracy Hoth: I've never heard it like that before.
- 22:38Michelle Gauthier: That is so good heard it like that before.
- 22:46Michelle Gauthier: That is so good, yes, yes, okay.
- 22:47Michelle Gauthier: So where can people find you if they want to learn more about your program or anything else about you.
- 22:50Tracy Hoth: Yeah, my website is called simplysquaredawaycom.
- 22:54Tracy Hoth: That's been my business name for 17 years, so you can go on there.
- 22:58Tracy Hoth: You can find my personal course called Organized Life Academy.
- 23:04Tracy Hoth: If you're a coach or if you have an online business, you can find Organized Coach Academy on there, and then my website or my podcast, the Organized Coach.
- 23:13Tracy Hoth: I talk a lot about business stuff, but I also talk a lot about personal stuff, so it overlaps and you can learn a lot on the podcast.
- 23:23Michelle Gauthier: Yes, it's a great podcast.
- 23:24Michelle Gauthier: I love it.
- 23:25Michelle Gauthier: So thank you so much for sharing.
- 23:26Michelle Gauthier: Thank you for being on.
- 23:28Michelle Gauthier: Thanks to the universe for bringing us together giving us those nudges.
- 23:33Michelle Gauthier: It was great to meet you.
- 23:36Tracy Hoth: Nice to be here, Michelle.
- 23:37Tracy Hoth: Thanks so much.
- 23:38Tracy Hoth: Thank you.
- 23:47Michelle Gauthier: Thank you.
- 23:47Michelle Gauthier: Thank you for listening to the Overwhelmed Working Woman podcast.
- 23:49Michelle Gauthier: If you want to learn more about my work, head over to my website at michellegothiercom.
- 23:53Michelle Gauthier: See you next week.