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Episode Three Hundred Four: The Fauci Diaries · The Death Of Journalism

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to episode three hundred and four of the Death
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  Speaker 1: of Journalism Podcasts. My name is John Zigler. I'm your
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  Speaker 1: host on this week's show. Doctor Anthony Fauci's COVID diaries
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  Speaker 1: are out and they are insane but not getting much
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  Speaker 1: mainstream news coverage, potentially putting me into a significant moral dilemma.
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  Speaker 1: There is some apparent movement in the twenty and twenty
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  Speaker 1: eight presidential race thanks to Elon Musk. We have a
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  Speaker 1: very confusing AI update. Coincidentally, I get in a mind
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  Speaker 1: blowing fight with Musk's Ai Grock, and there is a
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  Speaker 1: total collapse of the sports media industrial complex on numerous
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  Speaker 1: journalistic fronts. We begin this episode of the podcast with
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  Speaker 1: a programming note. I am taping a day early, about
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  Speaker 1: twenty hours or so earlier than normal, so as of
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  Speaker 1: this taping it is Tuesday afternoon. I apologize for that,
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  Speaker 1: and that's going to have significant consequences on a couple
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  Speaker 1: of different fronts that are related. The most significant, at
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  Speaker 1: least from a content perspective, is that I will not
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  Speaker 1: be able to discuss yet the testimony of doctor Anthony
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  Speaker 1: Fauci in a Senate committee that is being facilitated by
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  Speaker 1: Senator rand Paul of Kentucky, which by all accounts is
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  Speaker 1: going to be explosive and very worthy of conversation, especially
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  Speaker 1: on this podcast. But I'll obviously get to that next week. Now,
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  Speaker 1: related to this, which I'm going to get to in
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  Speaker 1: a little bit, I have a television appearance that is
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  Speaker 1: scheduled for Tuesday night on CNN where I may be
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  Speaker 1: in a moral dilemma because of what is transpired with
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  Speaker 1: regard to these Fauci diaries. Again, I'll get to that momentarily,
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  Speaker 1: but let's start at the beginning, which is a good
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  Speaker 1: place to start, which is that these Fauci diaries that
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  Speaker 1: Ran Paul released to the public in advance of Fauci's
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  Speaker 1: testimony are absolutely positively explosive, mind blowing. It's just incredible
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  Speaker 1: that they exist at all, because, first of all, how
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  Speaker 1: could Fauci have been dumb enough to not realize that
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  Speaker 1: eventually this kind of stuff was going to become public.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that's one of the first things that comes
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  Speaker 1: to mind. But the content of these diaries is so
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  Speaker 1: off the charts. This is the best way I can
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  Speaker 1: describe how nuts they are. And Steve Cortez, my good
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  Speaker 1: friend who was a very close adviser of Donald Trump
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  Speaker 1: during COVID and much like myself, had a very contrarian
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  Speaker 1: view of the entire COVID panic and was advising Trump
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  Speaker 1: from that perspective through much of the insanity that was
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty. He and I both agreed that if we
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  Speaker 1: had done an exercise prior to the release of the
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  Speaker 1: Fauci diaries and said, Okay, let's get together and create
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  Speaker 1: a parody if we were to imagine what doctor Fauci's
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  Speaker 1: diaries would be like, what would we come up with
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  Speaker 1: if we were trying to create parody or satire? And
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  Speaker 1: I think we both agreed that I'm not sure we
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  Speaker 1: could have possibly exceeded the reality of doctor Fauci's diaries
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  Speaker 1: during the COVID era. They're that bonkers, and there's so
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  Speaker 1: many different aspects to this. I'm almost afraid to start
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  Speaker 1: going down this path because invariably I'm not going to
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  Speaker 1: be able to cover at all. But let me just
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  Speaker 1: give you some of the major highlights of why these
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  Speaker 1: diary entries are so significant and so amazing and so
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  Speaker 1: clear cut vindication for people like myself who were contrarians
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  Speaker 1: at the time. In the spring of twenty twenty and
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  Speaker 1: who were warning about who doctor Fauci really was. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: this could not have been more clear cut vindication. But
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  Speaker 1: here are some of the subjects that I believe are
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  Speaker 1: the most significant when it comes to what we've learned
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  Speaker 1: from these diary entries. Now there's a lot of focus,
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  Speaker 1: and this is one of my problems with Rand Paul.
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  Speaker 1: I like Rand Paul, and then obviously no one is perfect.
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  Speaker 1: You're never going to agree one hundred percent on something
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  Speaker 1: that's complex with somebody. But Ran Paul is really obsessed
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  Speaker 1: with the whole Wuhan lab theory and how COVID originated.
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  Speaker 1: And I get that it's significant. I understand it. My
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  Speaker 1: take on it is slightly different than most people. I
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  Speaker 1: don't really care that much about how it originated unless
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  Speaker 1: there was evidence that China did it on purpose. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I have no problem believing the lab leak theory, and
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  Speaker 1: then they didn't want that to be the narrative. But
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  Speaker 1: the significance with regard to Fauci is the cover up
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  Speaker 1: he had known at the time. What appears to be
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  Speaker 1: the case, based upon Fauci's diaries, that Fauci himself apparently
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  Speaker 1: did at one point believe in the lab leak theory
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  Speaker 1: while he was saying something else publicly, very adamantly saying
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  Speaker 1: something else publicly, and that that public statement was clearly
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  Speaker 1: in his self interest for a number of reasons, including
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  Speaker 1: the fact that he could have easily been accused of
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  Speaker 1: having funded the lab where the COVID pandemic began and
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  Speaker 1: got leaked out into the world. That would have been
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  Speaker 1: devastating to Fauci's credibility. Not to mention, had we known
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  Speaker 1: he was lying at the time in theory, that would
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  Speaker 1: have been devastating to Fauci's credibility, and he probably never
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  Speaker 1: would have reached the level of godlike proportions, especially on
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  Speaker 1: the left. So that's a I think is significant, but
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  Speaker 1: to me, not the most important part of the Lab
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  Speaker 1: of the Diaries, the lab leak theory, although I think
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  Speaker 1: it's going to be a massive focus of Rand Paul
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  Speaker 1: when he interrogates doctor Fauci under oath, which I think
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  Speaker 1: is a missed opportunity because I think they're way more
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  Speaker 1: important things like, for instance, in the Diaries, it is
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  Speaker 1: clear that at the beginning of the pandemic, Fauci believed
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  Speaker 1: that the death rate for COVID. In other words, the
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  Speaker 1: percentage of people who would die after getting COVID was
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  Speaker 1: significantly lower than what he was claiming publicly, by tenfold.
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  Speaker 1: He was claiming publicly that the death rate was about
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  Speaker 1: ten times higher. Now sometimes it was five times higher,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes it was ten times higher, but it was exponentially
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  Speaker 1: higher in his public statements than what he believed in
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  Speaker 1: his private diaries. And this dovetails one hundred percent with
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  Speaker 1: one of my major problems with the entire COVID panic.
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  Speaker 1: I have said many many times, and frankly, no one
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  Speaker 1: else ever mentions this was just astonishing to me. But
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  Speaker 1: this is the crazy world we live in because it's
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  Speaker 1: so simple. At the very very beginning of the pandemic,
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  Speaker 1: when it first hit, we had two remarkable experiments that
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  Speaker 1: were not done on purpose, but they were almost perfect
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  Speaker 1: experiments for how big of a problem to determine how
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  Speaker 1: big of a problem we really had, and that is
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  Speaker 1: that there were two cruise ships that got COVID. A
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  Speaker 1: cruise ship where everyone is stuck on a ship in
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  Speaker 1: close quarters, they're eating from a buffet there. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: this is a horrendous Petrie dish situation for a virus
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  Speaker 1: like this to be able to spread with no preparations,
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  Speaker 1: no expectations, nothing done that could possibly because they didn't
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  Speaker 1: even think about it at the time to try to
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  Speaker 1: curtail the spread of the virus. And we knew exactly
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  Speaker 1: how many people on each of these ships got COVID
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  Speaker 1: and how many people died. Not to mention, the average
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  Speaker 1: age on a cruise ship is way higher than the
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  Speaker 1: average age of the population, so you almost could not
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  Speaker 1: possibly have asked for a better experiment total surprise environment
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  Speaker 1: where spread seemingly would come rather easily. Everyone's stuck in
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  Speaker 1: a closed quarter. Older people are predominant in the pool
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  Speaker 1: of those that are exposed. It's perfect. And what did
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  Speaker 1: we learn, Well, we learned that yeah, it's serious and
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  Speaker 1: it's potentially deadly. But on one of those ships, seven
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  Speaker 1: people died and on the other ship, zero people did.
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  Speaker 1: So you have thousands of people on those two ships
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  Speaker 1: completely taken off guard under the worst possible circumstances, and
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  Speaker 1: who knows what else was going on with those seven people.
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  Speaker 1: But you have seven people die. Now that's a problem.
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  Speaker 1: I'm fully acknowledging that's a major problem. But that is
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  Speaker 1: not evidence of a massive catastrophe. That is not evidence
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  Speaker 1: of something that we need to shut down the entire
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  Speaker 1: world over. And we knew this, and Fauci seemingly knew
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  Speaker 1: this at the key time, but he didn't say that
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  Speaker 1: publicly because that wouldn't have gotten enough fear, That wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: have gotten enough media coverage. And we're going to get
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  Speaker 1: to the media coverage and how that played in a
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  Speaker 1: significant role, a symbiotic role with Fauci and his ego,
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  Speaker 1: and how it influenced public opinion in a moment. But
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  Speaker 1: the next thing that caught my eye when it came
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  Speaker 1: to the Fauci diaries is that Fauci exposes himself as
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  Speaker 1: a liar on several key points, one of which is
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  Speaker 1: whether or not he played a significant role in closing
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  Speaker 1: down the country. He has said, especially as time went
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  Speaker 1: on and people were more against the lockdowns than they
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  Speaker 1: were at the beginning, because remember at the very beginning,
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  Speaker 1: everyone was scared out of their minds and everyone thought
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  Speaker 1: the lockdown was going to be, you know, two weeks
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  Speaker 1: to flatten the curve. I didn't think that. I knew that.
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  Speaker 1: I knew that was a fallacy because I knew as
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  Speaker 1: soon as you shut everything down. You have flipped the
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  Speaker 1: burden of proof. I mean, it was amazing to me
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  Speaker 1: that no one understood this. I'll never forget talking to
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  Speaker 1: our school principle before schools were ever shut down. I said,
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  Speaker 1: they're going to shut down schools and we are not
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  Speaker 1: going to have school for the rest of the year,
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  Speaker 1: and in fact, I will be surprised if we have
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  Speaker 1: school next year. And that principle thought I was crazy.
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  Speaker 1: And the reason why I knew that, other than the
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  Speaker 1: fact that we were in California and I could tell
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  Speaker 1: that Gavin Newsom was slobbering over the opportunity to do this,
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  Speaker 1: especially in a presidential year where Donald Trump's reelection would
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  Speaker 1: be torpedoed by this entire situation, was that I understood
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  Speaker 1: the burden of proof. And when you change the burden
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  Speaker 1: of proof from why shouldn't we have school to prove
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  Speaker 1: to us it's safe to have school, there's no chance,
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  Speaker 1: especially when people have a political agenda. And so that
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  Speaker 1: was always something that bugged the crap out of me
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  Speaker 1: that Fauci would not take accountability or credit for playing
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  Speaker 1: a major role in the shutting down of businesses and
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  Speaker 1: the shutting down of schools. Well, in his diaries, he
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  Speaker 1: does exactly that. He brags. He brags about having facilitated
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  Speaker 1: the down of businesses and schools in New York and California.
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  Speaker 1: And let's be clear, it was because of New York
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  Speaker 1: and California, because of Newsom and Cuomo, to obvious liberal
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  Speaker 1: Democrats who didn't give a rats ass about Donald Trump's
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  Speaker 1: reelection campaign, that were the reasons why the rest of
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  Speaker 1: the country had to shut down. Because once you shut
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  Speaker 1: down California and New York, it's an obvious cascading effect.
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  Speaker 1: The dominoes easily fall, and the only people that are
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  Speaker 1: laughter are a few red states, like maybe South Dakota,
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  Speaker 1: because everyone else is going to go along with the panic.
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  Speaker 1: We saw it in sports. It was a domino effect,
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  Speaker 1: you know. It starts with the NBA and then eventually
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  Speaker 1: golf caves even because that's the way the world works,
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  Speaker 1: cowardice and no one has any political cover. And so
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  Speaker 1: Fauci in his diaries acknowledges and brags that he facilitated
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  Speaker 1: those closures. Probably the part of Fauci's diaries that has
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  Speaker 1: gotten the most attention, and I understand this, although I
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  Speaker 1: think it's getting it for the wrong reasons is his
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  Speaker 1: obsession with fame. And I found this to be particularly
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  Speaker 1: interesting on multiple levels, partially because guy, I know, look,
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  Speaker 1: you might get tired of me say and I told
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  Speaker 1: you so, but I really told you so if you
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  Speaker 1: were listening to me on social media or on my
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  Speaker 1: podcast back in the spring of twenty twenty, because it
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  Speaker 1: was as clear as day. And I wasn't the only one,
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  Speaker 1: but it was as clear as day to me extremely
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  Speaker 1: early on that doctor Anthony Fauci is an egomaniac, a
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  Speaker 1: megalomaniac who was enjoying what was happening way, way, way
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  Speaker 1: too much. And I'm going to get to more of
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  Speaker 1: this in a little bit, but it has always been
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  Speaker 1: the most baffling element of either Trump administration to me
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  Speaker 1: that Donald Trump did not see what was happening, the
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  Speaker 1: monster that he was creating when it came to Anthony
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  Speaker 1: Fauci and his ego, and how much he was enjoying this,
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  Speaker 1: and the part that people don't fully put together, which
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  Speaker 1: I think is so critical to understanding why this is significant.
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  Speaker 1: It's not just annoying that he's an egomaniac and he's
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  Speaker 1: loving the media attention and he's posing for ridiculous covers
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  Speaker 1: of magazines in sunglasses, and that would just be wow,
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  Speaker 1: this guy is really loving himself some doctor Anthony Fauci,
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  Speaker 1: if he was legitimate, if it was based in any
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  Speaker 1: sort of reality his ego, that would just be annoying.
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  Speaker 1: But here's why it really matters. This was the greatest
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  Speaker 1: moment of Anthony Fauci's life. It could not be more
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  Speaker 1: obvious from these diary entries. It's the biggest greatest moment
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  Speaker 1: of his life. He's been waiting for this his entire existence,
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  Speaker 1: and he believes he deserves all of this praise and
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  Speaker 1: adulation because he thinks so incredibly highly of himself. And
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  Speaker 1: the reason why that matters is if you are given
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  Speaker 1: god like powers, as the media gave Fauci and his
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  Speaker 1: Trump allowed to happen, if you give him god like
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  Speaker 1: powers to determine how bad the pandemic is and when
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  Speaker 1: it started, and most importantly, when it ends, what is
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  Speaker 1: his incentive for it to ever end? Please someone answer
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  Speaker 1: that question for me. What was doctor Fauci's incentive to
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  Speaker 1: ever declare anything close to an end of the pandemic,
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  Speaker 1: Because for him to do that it would end the
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  Speaker 1: greatest moment of his life. Nobody is going to do that,
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  Speaker 1: and that was exceedingly obvious, exceedingly obvious, and the fact
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  Speaker 1: that Trump didn't understand this will always baffle me to
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  Speaker 1: the day that I die. But the diary entries are
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  Speaker 1: so off the charts in this realm you cannot parody
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  Speaker 1: to them. How much he loved the media attention and
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  Speaker 1: the adulation and the fact that he was a celebrity.
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  Speaker 1: And he even references Fauci does how he's a little
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  Speaker 1: bit baffled that Trump doesn't seem to mind that he's
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  Speaker 1: taking the spotlight from Trump. And when Trump put Fauci
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  Speaker 1: on national television in front of me, as of audiences
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  Speaker 1: who had nothing else to watch because there was nothing
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  Speaker 1: else going on, the country was scared out of their minds.
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  Speaker 1: And for a lot of people, especially on the left,
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  Speaker 1: they saw doctor Fauci as a security blanket and it
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  Speaker 1: created a connection and a bond that elevated Fauci to
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  Speaker 1: literal godlike status. The best proof of this that I've
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  Speaker 1: ever seen, and I saw just yesterday. Adam Crola re
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  Speaker 1: shared this video because it's a remarkable video. You've never
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  Speaker 1: seen it, Search it up yourself. Julia Roberts for some reason,
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  Speaker 1: was doing like a zoom interview. The actress Julia Roberts
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  Speaker 1: was doing a zoom interview with Anthony Fauci, and she's
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  Speaker 1: waiting for Fauci to come in front of the camera.
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  Speaker 1: And when he sits down in front of the camera,
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  Speaker 1: Julia Roberts gasps and acts like a child who has
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  Speaker 1: just seen the real Santa Claus. That's not an exaggeration.
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  Speaker 1: She is giddy as a schoolgirl. Not to get gross
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  Speaker 1: about this, but if they had been in the same room,
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  Speaker 1: she would have blown him if he wanted her to.
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  Speaker 1: That's how crazy it got from Julia Roberts. Because there's
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  Speaker 1: nothing celebrities respect more than other celebrities, right, That's the
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  Speaker 1: most important thing in the world to these people. And
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  Speaker 1: that's the level of celebrity that Trump granted to Fauci.
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  Speaker 1: But it wasn't just how famous Fauci was. The real
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  Speaker 1: key to understanding Fauci's celebrity. There's a lot of various
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  Speaker 1: elements to this, but the one that no one will
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  Speaker 1: ever mention other than me is the nature of human bonding.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, there's been studies that say one of
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  Speaker 1: the best things you could do, especially as a guy,
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  Speaker 1: if you're going on a date with a woman, like
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  Speaker 1: an early date is to go to an amusement park
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  Speaker 1: where you get on some scary rides and you're sitting
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  Speaker 1: next to each other and the adrenaline is pumping and
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  Speaker 1: the fear factor goes up, and you're there as the
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  Speaker 1: security blanket. That could be apparently very effective in creating
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  Speaker 1: a bonding and a romantic connection between a man and
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  Speaker 1: a woman. And I'm telling you, you know, I made
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  Speaker 1: the blowjob joke with Julia Roberts, but there was absolutely
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  Speaker 1: a sexual element to the way that a lot of liberal,
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  Speaker 1: especially liberal women, viewed doctor Fauci. There were headlines about
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  Speaker 1: him being a sex symbol at all sorts of other insanity,
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  Speaker 1: and because of the fear factor of COVID, the unprecedented
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  Speaker 1: nature of it, it wasn't the same as doing a
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  Speaker 1: halftime Super Bowl show. It was far far deeper than
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  Speaker 1: because of that human phenomenon. Let me give you an
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  Speaker 1: example that again you're only gonna hear from John Zigler
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  Speaker 1: because there's nobody else on the planet that's going to
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  Speaker 1: connect these events. But to me, the nature of what
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  Speaker 1: happened with Fauci was remarkably similar to what happened during
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  Speaker 1: the OJ Simpson white Ford Bronco chase back in nineteen
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  Speaker 1: ninety four, when Robert Kardashian, a guy no one had
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  Speaker 1: ever really heard of before, gets up on live television
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  Speaker 1: and reads remarkably, in remarkably dramatic fashion, what is clearly
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  Speaker 1: a suicide note from OJ Simpson, who at that time
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  Speaker 1: we didn't even know where the hell he was. He
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  Speaker 1: was a fugitive of justice. And it only lasted a
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  Speaker 1: few minutes, but the audience was so large and the
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  Speaker 1: moment was so intense that it created a level of
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  Speaker 1: celebrity for Robert Kardashian. It was so great that decades
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  Speaker 1: later his daughter did a sex tape and became one
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  Speaker 1: of the most famous people on the planet to this day,
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  Speaker 1: Kim Kardashian. That was all because of that moment reading
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  Speaker 1: OJ Simpson's suicide note, because of the bond that it created,
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  Speaker 1: the memory that it created with the audience. Well, Fauci
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  Speaker 1: had a very similar situation because of the circumstances surrounding
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  Speaker 1: the COVID panic, and bizarrely, Trump didn't understand that, and
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  Speaker 1: he let the monster grow until it was completely out
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  Speaker 1: of control. And one of the other elements of this
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  Speaker 1: celebrity and media obsession that has become very clear in
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  Speaker 1: the Fauci diaries is the specific relationship that Fauci had
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  Speaker 1: with members of the news media, specifically Jake Tapper and
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  Speaker 1: Dana Bash at CNN. And this was really amazing to
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  Speaker 1: me because Jake Tapper, who's from Philadelphia. I grew up
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  Speaker 1: in Philadelphia, were basically the same age. You know, we
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  Speaker 1: used to have somewhat of an online relationship if he
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  Speaker 1: would share some of my stuff, we would communicate via
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  Speaker 1: direct messaging, and you know, there was a mutual respect there.
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  Speaker 1: I tried to get him to listen to the with
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  Speaker 1: the benefit of hindsight or to maybe to get you know,
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: at least some education about the real Penn State story.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: I was never successful there, although he claimed that he
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: would look into it. But then during the COVID panic,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: that all changed because it was very clear to me
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: that Jake Tapper had lost his goddamn mine. And I
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: don't remember who on the vow who. He probably unfollowed
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: me first because he saw that I was a COVID contrarian,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: and I unfollowed him, and we haven't had any communications since.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: Well now because of the Fauci diaries, I fully understand
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: what was really going on. His mind was being polluted
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: by the fact that he was rather close friends with
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: doctor Fauci, to the point where they were getting together
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: for dinner around Thanksgiving, the very same Thanksgiving where doctor
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Fauci was telling families not to get together, and then
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Copper was doing incredible softball interviews with doctor Fauci. I mean,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: this was a symbiotic relationship, based in part in celebrity,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: based in part and political agenda, based in part in
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: the fact that the media loved this story. They loved
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: this story because for an extended period of time they
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: were important. Again, that cannot be emphasized enough. Media in
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty was starting to fade away, their influence, their power,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: their audiences were significantly fading. Now, all of a sudden,
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: we have an unprecedented, massive story where people are forced
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: to tune in. Their audiences went crazy. The ratings were
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: off the charts. Not only were the ratings off the charts,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: but now all of a sudden, they mattered. And all
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: of this in the middle of a presidential election where
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: at least subconsciously, if not consciously, they knew damn right
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: well that this would be bad for an incumbent president,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: that they didn't like Donald Trump, And what we learned
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: in the diaries really exposes the worst the worst perceptions
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: that people have about the nature of the news media,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: the incestuousness of the whole thing, where it's all in act,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: it's all a sham, the truth doesn't matter. Your relationships
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: are way more important, your agenda is way more important.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: And you know, Jake Tapper is getting a lot of
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: heat on X To my knowledge, he has not responded
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: to any of this, and in fact, there's been almost
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: no coverage of this on CNN as of yet. There's
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: been some see this is a lot of people on
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: the writer are understandably saying, where's all the coverage of
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: the Fauci diaries? And it has been pathetic. I'm not
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: going to sugarcoat that. It has been absolutely consistent with
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: the ongoing cover up of the truth of what really
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: happened during the COVID panic one hundred percent. But I've
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: always talked about this modern phenomenon that makes it even
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: more insidious and so easy for major news outlets to
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: effectively censor stories that they don't like. And that is
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: that because there are so many different platforms and outlets,
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: it is incredibly easy to quote unquote report on something.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: You do one story at the bottom of your website,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: or you put out one tweet, or you do one
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: you know, one minute reader, and you move on and
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: you're able to say we reported it. You have plausible deniability.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: And as I've always said, it's not what gets reported
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: in this day and age, it's what gets repeated that matters.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: And nobody in the mainstream news media is quote unquote
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: repeating the story of the Fauci Diaries, specifically on CNN,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: which creates a potential moral dilemma for me that I'm
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: literally dealing with as I do this podcast, because tonight
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: I am scheduled to do not one, but two different
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: segments on CNN on The Late Show with elex My Michaelson,
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: on whom on whose show I have been on twice
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: before I got rebooked last week, well before we knew
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: about anything involving the Fauci Diaries, And as of this moment,
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know what we're going to talk about. I
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: have no idea because It's still several hours away before
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: we do the first of the two hits, but my
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: instincts are pretty good. I've talked before about what happened
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: last time I went on CNN, and we had this
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: issue about whether or not we could talk about Jeffrey
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: Epstein's suicide, and that was very strange to me. But
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: my guess is, my guess is that this is going
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: to cause a major dilemma for me. Now. Maybe maybe
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: by the time you listened to this on sometime on Thursday,
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: if you've checked out my social media, you'll know a
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: hell of a lot more than I know right now
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: as far as how those appearances went, what we talked about,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: and how I handle the situation. But I'm really really
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: struggling right now with what to do, because clearly, to me,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: this is the most important subject in the news right now,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: especially given the fact that, as of the time period
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: when we were going to go on CNN the next morning,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: doctor Fauci will be testifying publicly in front of the
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: US Senate, So it could not be more newsworthy or
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: more timely. Is it possible we're going to talk about it? Yeah,
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: And maybe that'll be great. Maybe it'll go really well.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: The delusional optimist to be would like to believe that. However,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: the realist of me thinks this is going to cause
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: a problem. There's almost no way this can work out well,
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: and I don't know how to handle it. In fact,
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: I actually called my good friend Matt Lauer, the former
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: obviously host of The Today Show on NBC, to get
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: his advice. Now interestingly, he called me right back at
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: a terrible time, which tells you I think a lot
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: about Matt, because he had literally just put down his
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: beloved cat of fifteen years and had just gotten home,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: and he was not in a particularly great state. But
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: we did talk for about fifteen or twenty minutes about
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: all the potential scenarios and how I should handle all this.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Maybe the most interesting part of that conversation was it Matt,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: Matt Lower, a guy who still follows the news very
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: very closely, because once it's senior DNA, it's probably there
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: for life, had no idea what the Fauci diaries were. None. None,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: because it didn't hit his radar. And this Fauci diary story,
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: I think is probably one of the best or worst
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: examples I can think of of a story that proves
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: that we're living in at least two different Americas where
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: everyone is living in their own bubbles there information silos,
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: and on the right, especially on social media. This story
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: is massive. I mean, on AX, this is one of
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: the biggest stories of the year. It's all anyone's talking about.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: And yet because mainstream outlets and some of whom some
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: major outlets, have not done anything on the Fauci diaries
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: at all, some have done the plausible deniability thing, like CBS.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: I've been a little bit surprised, and I've been watching
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: CBS more carefully because Barry Weiss runs CBS News now
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: and she made her bones, at least in my world,
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: as someone who shifted on COVID significantly from being very
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: down with the whole thing at the beginning to being
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: cooming a contrarian and realizing that a lot of this
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: was based on falsehoods and was very counterproductive. And I
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: have a lot of respect for Barry Weiss for being
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: one of the few liberals that was willing and able
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: to do that, and I think that's probably why she
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: has her position today. That's why she became well known
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: after she left The New York Times and yet even
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: CBS has done only the bare minimum. It seems to
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: me that CBS has done the plausible deniability route. Yeah,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: we'll report it, but we're not gonna go crazy about
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: this because this story is just too big to fail.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: The entire COVID panic story is too big to fail.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: I have said many, many times there's an absolute truth
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: when it comes to modern news media. The bigger the story,
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: the more likely it is to be blown badly by
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: the news media, especially if there are politics involved, especially
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: if there's a rush to judgment, especially if there's a
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: moral panic. Obviously, the best example in my life has
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: been the Penn State Joe Paterno Jerry Sandusky story. The
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: two stories are remarkably similar, and the media black out
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: on the Fauci Diaries is almost exactly like what would
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: happen if, for instance, Jerry Sedowsky was ever granted a
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: new trial because a court decided that his conviction was illegitimate.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: That's exactly what would happen. It would be, Oh, isn't
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: this interesting, Let's move on quickly. Nothing really to see
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: here is probably just the technicality, not a big deal.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: That's exactly what would happen because the narrative is too
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: big to fail. There was far too much damage done
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: for us to admit we were wrong. We put too
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: many chips down on this story. We put all of
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: our chips down on the COVID panic because we allowed,
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: We the media allowed and facilitated the destruction, the destruction
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: of American life and much of the country for almost
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: two years. We destroyed an entire generation of school children's education.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: We set precedents that we will be suffering from the
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: rest of our fucking lives, all because of doctor Fauci.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: Doctor Fauci was the ringleader, He was the figurehead. He
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: was the one now admitting he was the one getting
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: Newsom and Cuomo to shut down California and New York.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: That's fucking significant. But because so much damage was done,
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: and because even remotely rational thinkers at least suspect that
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: they were wrong about COVID and don't want to admit
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: it and realize, yeah, there probably was a lot of damage.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: We made a lot of mistakes. The best they'll ever
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: do is, well, we didn't know at the time, Yes
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: we did, Yes we did. And Fauci's diaries prove that
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: we knew at the time, and so I don't know
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: what I'm gonna do when it comes to this seeing
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: that thing, I honestly don't. My gut tells me it's
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: not gonna go. Well, I don't know what to do.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: I really don't. Matt gave me some decent advice, but
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: I don't think he was in a great mental state
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: because of what happened with his cat. So check my
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: social media if you haven't already, and obviously in the
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: next episode of the podcast, I'll give you all the
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: details of what did and did not happen at CNN,
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: assuming that you know those at this point, I have
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: no reason to believe that those appearances will not happen.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: I just don't know how they're gonna go. I don't
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: know what the subject is gonna be. I don't know
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: how I'm going to handle it, you know, I really don't.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: And it's it's very telling about the nature of the
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: death of journalists, that's for sure, because this should be
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: a no brainer, there should be zero concern about. Okay, Wow,
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: these are some remarkable things that we've learned. John Zigler,
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: you're you were a COVID contrarier from the beginning. What
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: do you think is most significant that would be like
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: basic journalists, so that would be basic cable news television.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: But this story is so big and so far too
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: big to fail, and too many people are so deeply
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: invested in a false narrative that I have my suspicions
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: that that's not the way that it's going to go,
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: and in fact, it could go in a very very
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: different direction. The last thing I'm going to say about
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: this for now, and of course I'm sure I'll have
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: way more to talk about it, to talk about next
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: week after Fauci's testimony and what happens with me whatever
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: that is with CNN is the issue of the twenty
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: twenty election. And one of the many things that the
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: Fallaci diaries does is vindicate my view of what transpired
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: during that election. I have said many times, including last
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: week on this podcast, I have said the twenty twenty
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: election was not fixed or rigged or stolen. It was staged,
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: which is different like you can have a prize fight
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: where you create circumstances where one fighter has a lot
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: of advantages over the other. That's not a fix, it's
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: not a rig that's a staging, And it was staged
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: largely via the COVID panic. Now, was this a conspiracy? No,
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: As you know, I'm an ardent anti conspiracy person. This
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: was a happy circumstance consequence for the liberals that facilitated
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: the COVID panic. Fauci, Berks, Newsome, Cuomo, others. They all knew.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: They all knew, at least subconsciously, what was going to
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: happen if they shut down the country indefinitely, and that
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: it would be bad for Donald Trump. I will maintain
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: till I die, And I was even censored on this subject.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: I wrote a column, a parody column for media who
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: was working for at the time and had a very
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: good relationship at the time. I wrote what many people
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: thought was a brilliant parody or satire based upon what
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: would have happened during the COVID panic if Hillary Clinton
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: instead of Donald Trump was president and basically everybody's position
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: was turned upside down. And from a substantive perspective, I
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: am positive that if Hillary's running for reelection in twenty twenty,
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: there is no chance in hell that Gavin Newsom pulls
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: the trigger to shut down the country, or that Andrew
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: Cuomo follows suit immediately after. There's no chance of that none.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, I always go back to how this whole
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: thing really began. I mistakenly earlier said that the sports
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: domino effect began with the NBA. It actually began with
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: the Ivy League basketball tournament that got canceled absurdly. That's
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: what really sparked the sports meltdown. And I have always said,
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: when that decision was made to cancel the Ivy League
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: basketball tournament at the Polestra in Philadelphia place, I spent
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: a lot of time in my youth, way more dangerous
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: for a kid to get in and out of the
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: Polster than COVID was at that time. I can assure
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: you that decision, when that decision was made, was there
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: anybody in that room who was going to even think
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: about voting for Donald Trump in the twenty twenty election.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty damn confident nobody. Nobody Now. Did they realize
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: the power that that move was going to have. Maybe not,
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: but it was not a concern to them, the political
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: ramifications of shutting down the world. And by the way,
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: it bears repeating that. One of the craziest things about
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: what happened there was that when the Ivy League announced
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: that they were canceling their basketball tournaments. They said in
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: their statement that the regular season champs would be eligible
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: to go on to the NCUBLEA tournament, which doesn't even
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: make any fucking sense because wait a minute, you're gonna
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: so next week you're gonna be able to go to
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: play in the NCAA tournament. It made absolutely no sense whatsoever.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: And of course the NCUBLEA tournament was canceled. Everything was canceled,
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: and then we never got back to normal really for
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: almost two years. But with regard to the twenty twenty election,
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: I am more convinced than ever that by design or
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: by coincidence, or by con which is thought or subconscious thought,
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: the reality is this. And I created an AI depiction
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: of this, which took me far too long because Grock
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: wasn't particularly competent competent at it, but I had both
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: an image and a video that I put on my
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: social media that takes since everyone's talking about the Odyssey,
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: that takes the famous Trojan horse scene, and inside the
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: Trojan horse is Fauci and Deborah Burks and Kamala Harris
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: and Joe Biden, and the horse is being brought into
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: the gates of Troy being cheered by Donald Trump and
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: being cheered by the news media that's carrying in this
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: horse that's labeled COVID quote unquote experts. And Trump is
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: completely oblivious to what has happened. He thinks this is
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: going to be a great thing. We're gonna win the
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: battle against COVID, We're gonna get back to normal quickly,
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: and my re election chances are going to be in
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: good shape. What could possibly go wrong? Well, within that
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: Trojan horse was doctor Anthony Fauci. He was Odysseus, and
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: he led the destruction of the city of Troy, which
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: was the country in general and specifically Donald Trump's chances
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: of reelection. And you should read for yourself some of
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: the things that Fauci writes about Trump and his relationship
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: with Fauci, and it's all over the map. Interestingly, in
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: late April, Fauci talks about how Trump yelled at Deborah
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: Burkes basically saying, I should never trusted you guys. You're
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: destroying the country. And it's like the first sign that
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: Trump is realizing he got duped. Oh shit, I led
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: in the Trojan horse. And interestingly, a month later, Fauci
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: writes that he and Trump were getting along great, which
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: is so consistent with my recollection of what was happening
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: at the time. In fact, I wrote about this or
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: media where Trump was changing his positions and his stance
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: on COVID on at least a biweekly, if not a
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: weekly basis, he was all over the map. He was
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: literally flailing. I think he was probably in denial, and
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: then he at times would realize I'm getting fucked, and
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: then he would try to come up with a way that, well,
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: maybe I'm not really getting fucked. Maybe if I become
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: a wartime president and I own the war, that the
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: country will rally around me and I'll be able to
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: survive this. But the Fauci Diaries are amazing on so
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: many levels. And unfortunately we live in a world where
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: the truth doesn't matter if it comes out too late,
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: no one cares, at least not in the mainstream news
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: media when it's not in their self interest to care.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: But it is a vindication of so many things that
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: I was saying at the time, that I've been saying
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: for the last six years, and other people have said
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: as well. But I take no real joy in it.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: I really don't. It actually angers me as you can
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: tell from my commentary. Now, speaking of Trump, I do
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: want to at least mention a couple of things about
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: what happened at the White House Correspondence dinner last Friday,
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: which of course was postponed because the first time it
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: was scheduled there was an assassination attempt. And Trump's speech
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: at the White House Correspondence dinner has been widely panned,
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: and I understand that I actually agree with that to
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: a large extent. I thought his delivery was poor. Trump
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: gets a lot of credit, understandably so, for being our
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: funniest president ever, and in many ways he is our
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: funniest president ever, but generally not because of one liners.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: Like Ronald Reagan was tremendous at one liners because he
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: was an actor. When he was prepared with a good
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: one liner, there was nobody better than Ronald Reagan. That's
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: not Trump. Trump is funny only when he's organic, when
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: he's riffing, when it just kind of happens, and because
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: he's president, it becomes funny. If he wasn't president, I
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: think a lot of that stuff wouldn't be funny, but
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: I fully acknowledged Trump it can be a very funny guy,
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: but not with canned lines. And I want to play
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: one example because I think this just kind of encapsulates
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: so many of the problems with Trump, because not only
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: is his delivery here not particularly good, the content is
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: potentially very funny. Whoever wrote this joke structured it very well. However,
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: it inadvertently, I think, actually helps facilitate a liberal narrative
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: that's I don't even think necessarily true. And it also
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: causes a negative, unintended consequence, because here Trump appears to
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: be talking about Iran and then flips the story for
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: the joke where effectively he's really talking about CBS News.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: And here's what that sounded like at the White House
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: Correspondence dinner.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: Well, I have all of the press here in one place.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: I have to say that we're having an amazing load
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: of accomplishments that the media never talks about.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: For example, under my administration, a once.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: Feared and powerful regime that relentlessly attacked America has finally
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: been toppled. Their former leaders have been removed, and they're
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: now being run by a gay dictator facing internal divisions.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: But I, for one wish Barry Weisse all the best
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: at CBS's.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: To a wonderful woman. Now that's a potentially good joke.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: His delivery wasn't great. But more importantly, he he just
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: helped facilitate this liberal narrative that CBS is doing Trump's
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: bidding because they want their merger to be approved of. Now,
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: I get you might want to joke about that, but
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: I don't think there's a lot of positive that can
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: come from helping to facilitate that narrative, especially when I
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: don't even think it's true. As I've said many many
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: times before, how can that be a legitimate storyline when
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: Paramount owns south Park and south Park has been allowed
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: to depict at this very same time period where they
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: allegedly fired Stephen Colbert over politics, which they did, the
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: show is losing tons and tons of money, But they
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: allowed south Park to depict Donald Trump as a guy
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: with a very tiny penis who was literally sleeping with Satan,
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: and not just one time, there was a consistent theme
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: of the season. So I've never bought into this idea
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: that Paramount is kissing Trump's ass from a content perspective
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: in order to get the mergers approved of. But even
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: more damaging than that, if you're Barry Weiss at CBS News,
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: especially given all the conflicts that are going on and
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: the consternation and the chaos at sixty Minutes, and how
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: much you are hated by the staff of sixty Minutes,
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: your premiere show at CBS News. Does it help you
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: or hurt you to have Trump pretend, at least at
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: the White House Correspondence dinner, to be the person that
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: facilitated your takeover. He effectively puts you in your position.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: Does that help her cause or hurt her cause? I
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: would argue that it probably hurts her cause, maybe rather significantly. Now,
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: the joke there was in part about, or at least
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: implied about Iran, which there has been no real regime
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: change there, which is another part of the problem with
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: the joke, and the Iran War continues to seemingly go
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: on forever. I think it's going to cause significant problems
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: for Republicans in the midterm elections. And I want to
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: play a clip from Maggie Haberman from The New York Times,
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: who wrote a book called Regime Change about the second
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: Trump presidential administration. As I've said many times before, I'm
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: not a huge fan of Maggie Haberman, but The reason
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: why I give her credibility is because it seems very
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: clear that her sources within Trump world are very, very good,
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: and even though Trump will publicly criticize her at times,
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: it's also very clear that Trump wants her approval and
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: speaks to her sometimes on a regular basis. So I
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: take what she says not as gospel but seriously. And
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: she was doing an interview to promote her book where
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: she tells a story that is absolutely mind blowing but
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: believable about how it is that Trump was convinced to
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: go to war with Iran, and she describes the Prime
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: Minister of Israel, Benjamin Nannahoo, being allowed into the situation
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: and playing for Trump effectively what she describes as a
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: cartoon about Iranian regime change, and that this apparently is
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: what persuaded Trump against his own advisors, that this was
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: a really good idea for us to go to war
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: with Iran. And here's Maggie Haberman on that subject.
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: Dn Yah, who was in the situation room and he
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: was presenting these regime change scenarios and why the moment
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: was ripe for such a thing. I couldn't find another
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: example of a foreign leader Dan Yah who was in
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: the situation room and he was presenting these regime change scenarios,
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: and why the moment was ripe for such a thing.
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: I couldn't find another example of a foreign leader making
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: this kind of a sensitive intelligence presentation in the situation
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: room to a US president before with the head of
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: Massade on the screen behind him and some other military figures,
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: Trump was captivated by what Netanyah, who was saying that
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: the closure of the straight of formatives was unlikely. He
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: showed this video that was sort of cartoon like of
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: who could take over once the current regime was toppled.
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: And the suggestions were not taken particularly seriously by most
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: of the US government. You had John Radcliffe, the director
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: of the CIA, and Marco Rubio run an analysis overnight,
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: and they then come into the situation room the next day,
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: and Vance had been on a trip. Vance was there
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: now for this meeting, and Trump is there and they're
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: describing how certain components of what Netanya who is suggesting
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: could be accomplished, one of which was about the ballistic
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: missiles program being taken out by Iran. I would note
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: that has not happened either, but that's putting that aside,
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: Radcliffe very pointedly describes these regime change scenarios as the
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: word he uses as farcical.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: Now, if we presume that what Haberman said there is
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: mostly true, that's really disturbing, even by Trump's standards. I
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: realize how desensitized we are. Even I'm desensitized to the
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: insanity of all this after ten years. But that is
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: Trump as a toddler, literally being persuaded by a cartoon
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: that his own advisors told him was not based in reality.
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: And if that's really how we got involved in this
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: war in Iran, and that's really why Democrats end up
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: taking the US Senate in the US House. Really, really,
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: that's that's what it's come to it. It's just amazing.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: I and my gut tells me that story is mostly true,
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: and it made me go back to what I've always
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: felt was the main reason why I did not want
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: Trump to ever be president, because I watched The Apprentice
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: and I watched him in the bordrobe, and his thinking
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: was that of a toddler. He is a toddler in
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: his psychology, and that story further proves that very sad point.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: I want to make a couple of quick points about
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: the situation involving the twenty twenty eight presidential race, specifically
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: on the Democratic side, because I have obviously been tracking
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom. We have a Gavin Newsom fear factor which
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: is currently at seven point zero, but I'm about to
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: slightly adjust that for a couple of reasons that will
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: become obvious in just a moment. But I have mostly
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: focused on Newsome, and on Harris and on AOC. I've
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: mentioned Buddha Judge as a potential factor, but I've never
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: really felt like anybody else other than those four has
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: a really significant chance of being the non knee and
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: I still think that that's the most likely scenario. But
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: I at least want to add into the conversation someone
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: who is now making a move in the polls, and
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: that is John Asoff, the Senator from Georgia. And at
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: first I never gave us Off much chance or credibility,
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: mainly because I thought that in Georgia, since he's running
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: for re election, that he would be forced in order
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: to preserve his senate position, he would be forced to
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: take positions, you know, like on transgendered sports or other
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: really super woke things that would be very problematic for
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: him in a Democratic primary. It just doesn't compute in
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: my brain that a guy who's not well known, and
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: you know, liberals love him, they think he's good looking
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: and charismatic. I don't really see he's not really an
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: Obama figure, although some people are trying to claim he's
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: an Obama asque figure. But he's a white guy, seemingly
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: heterosexual white guy, although he's an effeminate, heterosexual white guy.
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: And so from Georgia, is that really in this era,
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: with this state of the Democratic Party, is this really
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: going to be the guy they go with for the
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: presidential nomination, especially since he has to go through what
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: should be a difficult reelection campaign and thus take all
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: sorts of unwoke positions that are going to come back
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: to haunt him, because if you take an unwoke position
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty six, it's much more difficult to explain
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: than if it was, you know, in twenty eighteen or something.
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: And that's how I kind of wrote off as off.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: But I'm kind of backtracking from that position. I'm not
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: saying he's going to be the nominee at all. I
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: still think it's a long shot, but he's definitely in
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: the mix, because he is leading in Georgia now by
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: so much, which is just really depressing to me, and
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: it's an indication that Republicans are really, really in big
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: trouble in November. If they can't even come close to
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: beating John Ossoff in Georgia with a legitimate contender, then
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: to me, that is a really, really really bad sign.
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: But right now, the polls are such that it's not
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: even close enough for Usoft to have to take a
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: position that will hurt him in a twenty twenty eight
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: Democratic primary. So I do think you have to add
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: in Asof's name to that top five. There's also clearly
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: a surge by AOC in New Hampshire, also by Pete
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: Buddha Judge in New Hampshire. Now, I don't think New
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: Hampshire is going to have nearly the same impact that
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: it used to have. By the way, it doesn't even
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: look like Iowa is going to be on the map
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: literally for Democrats, that's how much they hate rural white people.
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: They're not even going to bother with Iowa anymore in
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: their Democratic primary process in twenty twenty eight. But I
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: get where New Hampshire could at least have some significance.
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: And there's a long, long, long way to go. But
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: I told you that AOC was going to benefit from
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: this Mondani phenomenon and the socialist takeover of the Democratic Party,
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: and that has seemingly happened in some of the polling,
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: both nationally as well as in New Hampshire. I personally
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: believe that the only way Democrats lose this election, barring
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: the economy making a dramatic turnaround, is for them to
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: nominate AOC Pete Buddha Judge or Kamala Harris. Almost anybody
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: else within this mix I think is going to be
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: a heavy favorite to win for reasons I've gone through before,
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: not just the economy, but the trumpatigue, the fact that
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: Trump is going to sabotage the Democratic Republican nominating process,
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: that he's going to sabotage that candidate, whether he's intending
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: to or not during the twenty twenty eight campaign. So
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: I think Democrats have a huge advantage unless they nominate
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: someone who is almost inherently disqualified, and AOC Buddha Judge
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: and Harris could be in that camp. Harris is all
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: over the map. She has huge name recognition and in
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: some national polls he's still doing very well. But when
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: you break it down into a state pole like New Hampshire,
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: she has very little support where people are actually maybe
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: more focused on it and thinking this through. And I've
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: said that AOC surging basically puts a stake through the
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: heart of Harris's potential campaign. So Harris is in much
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: more difficulty I think than probably her or her people understand.
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: And as far as Newsome is concern the emergence of Asoff,
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: I think hurts Newsome because I'm a big believer this
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: is all going to be about demographics and branding, and
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: positions are not going to really matter that much. It's
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: going to be demographics and branding. And when I say demographics,
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: Newsom is the straight white male. Okay, Well, asof also
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: is straight white male, and there's only so much room
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: for straight white male in a twenty twenty eight Democratic primary. Now,
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: you know, from the perspective of someone who does not
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: want the Democrat to win no matter who it is,
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: it's in a good There is some good in having
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: so many viable candidates. That's actually good because what you
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: don't want is the one for one person. To have
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: everyone call less around them, and they dominate and they
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: become the new Obama, and you know, they don't have
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: to fight within their party to get denomination. So this
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: is this is not the worst possible scenario. But I
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: do think that the recent polling does indicate that Newsom
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: is going to have a little bit more difficult time
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: than I thought previously. So I'm going to lower the
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: Newsom fear factor rating from seven point zero back down
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: to six point five, for whatever that's worth. Now, the
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: other fear factor rating that we've been charting on the
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: Death of Journalism podcast is artificial intelligence, and that fear
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: factor rating is currently at seven point five, and I'm
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: going to keep it at seven point five, even though
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: there are all sorts of reasons I could be raising it,
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: and there's all sorts of reasons why I could be
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: lowering it. Because the AI news we haven't done an
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: AI update in a little while on the podcast. The
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: AI news is all over the map. All over the map.
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: We've got on the stock market, we've got seemingly a
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: sell off of a lot of the chip stocks. It's
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: not you know, bubble territory, but it's it's clear cut
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: that some people are getting nervous about the AI related
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: stocks and are starting to take money out of that.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: But we've also got Sam Altman, you know, from Open Ai,
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: who did an interview where he literally claims that we
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: are close, this is a drug quote, we are close
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: to creating a genie that can grant any wish. He
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: actually said this, not ironically, not a joke. We are
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: close to creating a genie with AI that can grant
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: any wish. Now I don't like Sam Altman. I don't
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: believe sam Altman. I don't think he's a credible person.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: I think he's a maybe a pathological liar. And to me,
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: you know, when a lot of these companies are going
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: to be allegedly going public soon, there is a desperate
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: need to keep juicing the hype on what's going on
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: with AI, And so I'm gonna basically discount what Sam
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: Altman said. I find it to be hilarious. I don't
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: even know how that could possibly how could we possibly
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: be close to creating a genie that can grant any wish.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: It's just it's preposterous on its face. And as you
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: probably know, what I have been stating over and over again,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: is that the key moment in all this is whether
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: or not AI ever reaches AGI, which is exceeding human intelligence. Now,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: Elon Musk has been a fascinating and I believe frustrating
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: figure in all this. At times I've really liked Elon Musk.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: At times I've thought he was crazy. I have lost
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: a lot of trust in Elon Musk. I am much
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: more cynical about Elon Musk now than I was. I
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: bought into the whole free speech warrior and saving Western
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: civilization thing to a certain degree. But many of the
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: things that Musk has said, and by the way, many
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: of the things he's posted about on X that I know,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: are total bullshit, many of them related to the Epstein files.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: But that's not just the Epstein Files. I mean, Musk
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: believes in a lot of bullshit, a lot of things
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: that are completely false, obviously and provably false. But he
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: clearly doesn't have anyone around him that's willing to say, Elon,
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: what the hell are you doing? Because he's the richest
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: man in the world and everyone thinks he's a genius,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: and so he buys his own bullshit. And that's a
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: very very dangerous place to be. But one of the
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: things about Elon Musk and AI is that he has
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: been making, as he has throughout his entire career, on
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: all sorts of different subjects, very very optimistic predictions about
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: what the future holds and the advance of technology and
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: how fast that's going to happen. He's been wrong constantly
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: on self driving Tesla cars. I mean constantly on a
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: yearly basis. He is completely and totally wrong about predicting
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: when that will happen, always in the overly optimistic perspective
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: or direction. Well, when it comes to AI and AGI,
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: Musk has said each of the last two years that
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: we might reach AGI next year. In other words, in
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty four he said it happened in twenty twenty five.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: In twenty twenty five he said it happened in twenty
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: twenty six. Well, now, all of a sudden, in an
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: interview that he did with The Economist, a very liberal
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: British woman from the Economist, you know they it was
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: a very contentious interview. I actually liked some of the
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: things that Musk said about the and no one likes
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: the media, no one trusts the media, and this woman
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: just doesn't get it. It was a very combative interview,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: but I'm gonna play two clips from it that are
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: related directly to AI and the world that Musk thinks
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: that we are now heading in. And now, to be clear,
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: there is a definitional issue as to because he doesn't
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: call it AGI, he talks about the sum of all
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: human intelligence being exceeded by AI. To me, that's the
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: same thing, but maybe in his world that's slightly different,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: But it's basically the same thing. And all of a sudden,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: miss Musk is no longer saying it's gonna happen in
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. He's saying now five years, five years,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: which is a huge difference, especially percentage wise when you consider,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: you know, each of the last two years he's been
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: claiming it's gonna happen in one year. But coming from Musk,
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: who's you usually notoriously overly optimistic with regard to the
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: advances of technology, I found this to be very, very significant.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: And here's what Musk said to the economist about this subject.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 4: AI may exceed the sum of human intelligence in around
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 4: five years. In five years, roughly five years, is my guess.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 4: There really won't be anything that AI can't do better
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 4: than humans apart from being human.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 5: Perhaps at a more prosaic level, what will life be like?
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 4: The most likely outcome is an age of amazing abundance
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 4: where anyone can have anything they can think of. This
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 4: may sound preposterous, but well, here we are in twenty
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 4: twenty six. Let's see where we stand in twenty thirty six. Now,
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 4: of course there are things that could derail this, like
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 4: a massive global thermonuclear war or something like that, but
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 4: assuming that there's not World War three, I think we're
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 4: headed for an age of amazing abundance. So this is,
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 4: I guess, a message of optimism and excitement about the future.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 4: It would be an exercise and vanity to for me
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 4: to think that I would be controlling super genius AI
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 4: that is vastly smarter than me. I think what we
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 4: can and should try to do is to make sure
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 4: that the AI has good values, that it cares about humanity,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 4: and that it wants us to be happy and prosper
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 4: I think it probably will be. What my biological neural
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 4: net tells me is that the most important thing for
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 4: AI safety is to be maximally truth seeking and curious.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 4: If that's the case, I think it will foster humanity.
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  Speaker 5: So let's unpack that. You're sure that humans will no
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 5: longer be in control in ten years time, I think
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 5: it is unlikely.
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  Speaker 4: In the same way that if the difference in intelligence
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 4: between AI and humans is fast and greater than the
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 4: difference in intelligence between AI and chimpanzees, it's hard to
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 4: imagine that the chimpanzees would be in charge.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 5: I'm reading, and.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 4: We are essentially an evolved form of chimpanzee. So it
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 4: wasn't that long ago that was swinging through the trees
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 4: eating bananas in the jungle, and we still eat bananas,
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 4: by the way.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: Now that quote did not make any news, but I
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: found it to be very, very significant because if Elon Musk,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: the most overly optimistic person in this realm, is suddenly
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: dramatically changing his prediction from later this year to five years,
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: that's significant. I realize there's a slight definitional difference, but
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: I to me, that's a distinction without much of a difference,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: because you know, once we reach AGI, the sky's the limit, right,
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, because then it's going to be an exponential
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: change in a fairly short amount of time. And of
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: course You've got Sam Altman claiming we're close to creating
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: a gd that can grant any wish, and so I
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: don't even know what to make of it, but I
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: found it to be significant and at least a data
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: point that hey, wait a minute, maybe AGI is not inevitable.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: Now I could also be delusionly optimistic. I could be,
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: you know, because I'm rooting hard against AGI. I have
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: been on the record and I will continue to be
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: on the record. If we reach true AGI, we're toast.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: We're done. We are not capable of handling this at
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: any level. All the incentive structures are very wrong, very insidious.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: Our government is not competent, our culture is not enough
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: to handle this. We will collapse in multiple ways if
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: we really do reach AGI. So I'm rooting against AGI,
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: and whenever I'm rooting for something, I have to take
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: that bias into strong consideration. So take that for whatever
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: it is when you're evaluating what level of credibility Elon
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: Musk has where he is seemingly dramatically altering his prediction. Now,
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that Elon Musk has dramatically altered his
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: prediction for the future and what it's going to look
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: like I have attacked Elon Musk on this podcast online,
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: and he even responded sort of to a thread that
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: I put out on the subject of universal basic income
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: or what he calls high universal basic income, which is
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: in his view at least the best and not the
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: only way that we can possibly handle a world of
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: artificial intelligence where he thinks there's going to be unlimited
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: abundance but no real jobs for anybody to do, so
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: we got to pay everybody to be able to sustain themselves.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: But in this interview with the Economist, he said something
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: that seemingly one hundred percent contradicts this idea, which is
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: it's an astonishing comment, almost as bonkers as Sam Altman
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: saying we're close to creating a genie that can grant
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: any wish, and that is Musk believes we're not going
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: to hit whatever you want to call it for another
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: five years with regard to AGI, but in ten years,
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: we're going to be living in a world where money
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter, or money may not even exist ten years,
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: ten years. And of course, since he's the richest man
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: that's ever lived, although he's not as rich as he
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: used to be because SpaceX stock has collapsed. I'm sure
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of people that are pretty pissed off
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: about having bought into the SpaceX hype at the beginning
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: when it went public or partially public. But the reality
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: is this is a statement that got a lot of
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: people's attention because the richest man that's ever lived thinks
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: that in ten years, money's not going to matter. And
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: by the way, this opinion is not just you know, academic,
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: this has impact because he has actually said in other interviews,
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: I don't think you said. In this one, he's actually said,
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: don't even bother saving money, don't even bother with a
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: college education. He's basically implied that because in ten years
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: it's all going to be irrelevant anyway, There'll be no
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: money and we're all just going to be living in
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: utopia unless we die, which, of course, you know, must
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: does say that we might die from this, so I
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: probably didn't ever size that nearly enough. And the clip
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: that we just played where he does still have as
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: a possibility apparently a significant one where he's worried about
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: this that oh, by the way, if we don't reach
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: this wonderful world, we could all die, we could all
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: be destroyed. By AI other than that, missus Lincoln, how
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: was the play? But back to this issue of no money.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: I don't even understand how this is possible. But and
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: it's one hundred percent contradictory to his whole idea of
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: high universal basic income, because why do you have a
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: high universal basic income if there is no money and
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: money has no value. Weirdly, I think he's kind of
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: talking about the same thing, because if you have high
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: universal basic income, money will have no value. It might exist,
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: but it will have no value. Literally, because if everyone
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: has something, it has no value. Literally, it has no value.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: But here was Elon Musk talking about this utopian future
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: it's only ten years away where money won't matter.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 4: Money won't matter in twenty thirty six.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 5: I'm not sure that the people who bought your shares
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 5: think that money won't matter in twenty thos.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 4: What do you want money for? You want money for
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 4: goods and services, right, you want money for the food, housing, transport, entertainment. Well,
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 4: if that is so abundant that there's more that the
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 4: robots and AI are providing more goods and services than
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 4: any human could possibly consume, what do you need money for?
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 4: In that case?
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 5: Let's agree that that could be where we end up.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 5: I'm concerned about the road, and we live you know,
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 5: we live in democracies, and people are very worried about this.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 5: So I guess two questions. Firstly, do you have to
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 5: have massive redistribution from people like you to the people
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 5: who are losing their jobs? Do you need to pay
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 5: more tax Do you have much higher taxes on capital
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 5: so that you fund some kind of universal income? Otherwise,
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 5: what do people live off?
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 4: I think that that the treasure ra should just simply
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 4: issue people checks.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 5: Where's the revenue coming from. I mean, I'm enough of
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 5: an economist. If you just issue checks, you're going to
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 5: have inflation.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 4: This is like a lot of what we're trying to
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 4: think about is these things were relevant in the past,
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 4: they will not be relevant in the future. So, like
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 4: inflation is simply the ratio of money to the to
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 4: to goods and services. So if the goods and services
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 4: output increases dramatically, if it increases, you know, one thousand percent,
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 4: you can increase the You can literally print or these
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 4: cases change the database print money. It's you create money
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 4: in the in the database, provided the creation of that
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 4: money is less than the rate at which goods and
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 4: services increase, you actually have deflation. So I'll make a
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 4: prediction which is that deflation will be the issue, not inflation,
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 4: because because as the output of goods and services increases,
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 4: if the output of goods and services increases fast the
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 4: money supply, you all have deflation.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 5: I'm actually, I'm perfectly willing to believe that you may
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 5: well be right.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah that's me.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 5: You may well be right, But I'm I'm really hung
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 5: up on how we get from the current polarized, angry,
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 5: fearful policy we have now to this nirvana. And I
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 5: think you could you can paint a picture where people
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 5: are so scared by this, you know, they essentially try
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 5: to stop it. Maybe they can't, but you get nationalized,
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 5: there's a kind of you know, far left government, there's
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 5: exorbitant tax increases, the kind of economy crumbles because people
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 5: are so worried about the future, which does sound quite
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 5: scary as you describe it. So how do you how
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 5: do you handle the politics? Now?
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 4: It's exhilarating and terrifying, But if you were in the age, Honestly,
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 4: if you ask me on any given day, in fact,
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 4: even intra day, I've gone from exhilaration to terror. Regarding AI,
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 4: I just.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: Don't understand where he's coming from. I really don't. It
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense to me. Even if I grant
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: all of the fantasies that these techno nerds have, these
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: autistic people have about what AI is going to do,
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: I still don't know how you get, especially in ten years,
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: to a world where money has no meaning. I mean,
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: there still has to be some jobs. It's not possible
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: to have literally zero jobs, and you need some incentive
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: for people to do those jobs. What would the incentive be.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: There has to be some form of money. It just
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: doesn't even make sense. Not to mention one more time,
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: it's contradictory to his entire theory, which is a batshit
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: horrible idea for a million different reasons, of a high
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: universal basic income. So I don't trust Elon Musk. I
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: think Elon Musk has lost his mind. I think it's
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: natural I put this kind of in the Michael Jackson category.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: I always say people misinterpret the allegations against Michael Jackson
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: because they don't fully understand how nuts someone is who
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: has been world famous since they were a child, had
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: no childhood, has more talent than maybe anybody else has
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: ever had in their endeavor, more money than they can
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: possibly ever spend. You put all that together, they're going
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: to be crazy. Well, when you're Elon Musk and you're
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: the richest man that's ever existed, and you're autistic to
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: begin with, and you've been unbelievably lucky, unbelievably lucky. I'm
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: not saying he doesn't have skill. He's clearly done some
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: very smart things. But you've been wrong constantly and also
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: sorts of predictions. And you have this level of ego,
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: this level of fame, this level of money, and no
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: one is willing to tell you you're wrong about anything, You're
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: gonna be crazy. And so I think Elon Musk has
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: lost touch with reality. I really do believe that. And
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: I'm going to keep the AI fear factory inting at
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: seven point five, not because I'm less fearful or my
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: fear factor is somehow stabilized. I'm actually more fearful than ever.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: It's just because I believe that we are not one
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: hundred percent destined to hit Agi anytime soon. And that's
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: the only scenario that's keeping me from jumping off a
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: cliff and part of the reason I believe that is
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: because of Elon Musk's comments, and also partially because of
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: my own experience with Ai, which I've talked about on
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: the podcast before. But I have to tell you this
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: story because this is really jaw dropping stuff on so
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: many levels. Because I got in a fight with Elon
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: Musk's Ai Grock, both privately and publicly, just a few
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: days ago and properly set this up. This all came
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: about because of more media attacks on Caitlin Clark. And
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, you've probably heard about this already. It's just
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: so insane. But there is a USA Today sports reporter
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: by the name of Nancy Armour who wrote about Caitlyn
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: Clark and her flopping being disrespectful to black people, and
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: she she brought up Emmett Till's murder. I mean, it
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: was I can't even properly explain it. It was. It
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: was that crazy, it was that absurd, it was it's
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: hard to take the number one spot of the most
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: ridiculous attack from the media on Caitlin Clark, but there's
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: no question that this was it. And she didn't really
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: even apologize. She gave a non apology apology she basically
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: doubled and trip down, and then USA Today later gave
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: a false report about what Caitlyn Clark was doing. They
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: made it sound like she was missing part of the
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: All Star festivities to get her hair done, when in
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: fact she was doing a charity event. They had to
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: retract that. I mean, it's just it's beyond insane. It's
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: beyond parody what the news media in general and specifically
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: what USA Today has done with regard to Kitlyn Clark.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: And I'll get into more of that in just a moment,
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: because I do think this is consistent with the complete
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: and total breakdown and collapse of the entire sports media
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: industrial complex that we're seeing on multiple levels in just
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: the last few days. But I want to go back
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: to my fight with Grock, the Elon Musk artificial intelligence,
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: of which I am a fairly significant subscriber and I
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: communicate with a lot. I'm probably too much, but part
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: of it is experimentation, and I do a lot of
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: work with Grock imagined video editing, which I've been increasingly
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: unimpressed with and I actually think is devolving getting worse
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: in many ways, which also influences my view of where
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: AI is and how quickly it's heading towards the becoming
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: a genie Samuel Altman is claiming. But in this particular case,
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: I went to Groc and I was curious about the
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: USA Today sports writer Nancy or Moore, which I didn't
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: know anything about. I'd somehow never heard of her before.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: And I have become convinced reluctantly that a large part
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: of not in totality, a large part of what is
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: driving the anti Kaitlin Clark bias, both at the WNBA
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: level as well as the sports media level, is really
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: race and sexuality. Kaitlyn Clark is white, and she is straight,
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: and she's not overtly woke, and this is driving the
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: liberal base of the WNBA and sports writers seemingly crazy.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: And so I was curious with regard to Nancy or
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: Moore whether or not she was straight or whether she
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: was gay. I had no idea. I didn't even know
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: for sure if it was relevant to her take on
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: Caitlin Clark, but I was investigating a hypothesis. So that
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: was my question to AI Groc, and Grock's response was
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: And by the way, I've posted all of this on
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: social media. You can find it on my ex account.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: It's hilarious. This what ensued was absolutely amazing, mind blowing.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: It was disturbing, but it was also very funny. And
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: I'm going to try to give you as quick a
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: synopsis as I possibly can. So Groc's response was, there
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: is no evidence, evidence is a very key word in
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: this whole situation, that Nancy is gay or straight. She's
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: never married, there's no public record of a boyfriend. She
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: talks about being the aunt of some nieces and nephews,
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: but you know, there's no indication, according to Groc, no
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: evidence that she is straight, and has never declared herself
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: to be gay, so we don't know. And then, very sarcastically,
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: I responded to Groc. I said, oh, so she's gay. Thanks. Now.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: I did that for a couple of reasons. One, I
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: wanted to see if it could understand sarcasm, but also
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: because in the real world, in the real world, if
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: you're a woman who's around fifty years old, in the
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: social media age, and you're a very public person, as
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: this writer is, it will be basically impossible to be
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: heterosexual and not leave some evidence of that. I think
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: any common sense human is opposed to an AI, a
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: human would inherently understand that. Now, you could do it
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: if you were gay, because you would have an incentive
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: to hide that, But there's no incentive to hide systematically
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: the fact that you're a heterosexual. So it doesn't prove
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: that she's gay, but it's more likely than not that
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: she's gay, because otherwise there would be evidence. I talk
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: all the time about there are certain situations where the
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: absence of evidence is evidence of absence. So if there's
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: no evidence that she's a heterosexual, she's probably gay. That
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: was it possible she could be asexual. Yeah, I've talked
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: about that too, but more than likely she ain't heterosexual.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: That was my rate rationale, and Groc was having none
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: of it. It objected very very strongly to this line
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: of thinking, and I responded, you don't understand because you're
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  Speaker 1: not a human. You don't understand human reality. You don't
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  Speaker 1: understand the incentive structure of a human being. In her position,
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  Speaker 1: It only makes sense for her to hide or to
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  Speaker 1: not divulge her sexuality if she's gay. It doesn't make
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  Speaker 1: any sense if she's straight. And once again Roc had
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  Speaker 1: none of it. It was clear that Grock had been
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  Speaker 1: programmed at least on this subject to be extremely politically correct.
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  Speaker 1: And one of the many things that has me very
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  Speaker 1: very skeptical of Elon Musk is that I have picked
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  Speaker 1: up on an increasingly PC and almost woke nature of
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  Speaker 1: X and its algorithm, and people that get punished for
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: things that they say that they shouldn't be punished for
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  Speaker 1: that are clearly in the realm of wokeness, And in
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: this case, it was obvious to me that whoever programmed
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: GROC was making sure that they didn't say anything that
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: was politically incorrect in the realm of discerning whether someone
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  Speaker 1: is gay or straight, which I think is concerning given
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: Elon Musk's public persona, But that's not the headline here
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  Speaker 1: where we are right now in this conversation, I think
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  Speaker 1: would have been worthy of mention. But we're just scratching
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  Speaker 1: the surface to where this ends up going. So then
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: I decided to do a little experiment with grock AI
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  Speaker 1: and I had no idea where this was going to go,
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  Speaker 1: and what transpired was truly astonishing, even by the standards
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  Speaker 1: of my very strange life. So I said, okay, let's
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  Speaker 1: do a test. Give me the name of one public
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  Speaker 1: female in the same age category who is plausibly heterosexual,
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  Speaker 1: but about whom there is zero evidence, evidence being the keyword,
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  Speaker 1: evidence that they are heterosexual in the public domain. Give
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  Speaker 1: me one name of a female who would be in
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: a similar category, because GROC was claiming it's not unusual
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  Speaker 1: for a woman who's a public person in that age
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  Speaker 1: group to have left no evidence that they are heterosexual,
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: and they could still be heterosexual. And I said to GROC,
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  Speaker 1: You're not going to be able to come up with
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  Speaker 1: one name, not one name, that fits in this category.
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  Speaker 1: So then GROC came up with one name. And the
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  Speaker 1: one name they came up with, I shit, you not
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  Speaker 1: was Christine Brennan. Now, for those that have followed my
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: career even a little bit, you're probably go like, no way,
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: There's no possible way the name was Christine Brennan. Now,
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: why it picked Christine Brennan. There's a couple of different possibilities.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: Christine Brennan happens to be a USA Today sports writer,
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  Speaker 1: so that makes sense. But what the AI did not
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  Speaker 1: know was that I have really, really, really good evidence
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  Speaker 1: that Christine Brennan is in fact heterosexual, because she and
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  Speaker 1: I briefly dated. I have stayed over at her apartment
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: in Washington, d C. She's come to visit me on
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: a family vacation in Williamsburg, Virginia. We knew each other
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  Speaker 1: for extended period of time. We did not date extensively,
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: but there was a romantic element to the relationship long long,
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: long ago. This would have been like in the late
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: middle nineteen nineties. So I just couldn't believe it. I'm like, what,
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  Speaker 1: of all the people you could choose, you chose Christine Brennan.
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  Speaker 1: And so I proceeded to laugh and let the AI
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  Speaker 1: know and know in certain terms that this was a
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: ludicrous response. And I'm going to cut down the story
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: because it gets much longer than this in reality. But
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: I basically said, you have no idea what you're talking about.
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  Speaker 1: I have firsthand evidence that, in fact, I am firsthand
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  Speaker 1: evidence in the public domain that Christine Brennan is in
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: fact heterosexual. And it refused to accept that. It essentially
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: didn't believe me, or at the very least, it was
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: claiming that there's no evidence, although it kept changing evidence
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: and proof, which I think was one of the most
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  Speaker 1: disturbing parts of this whole thing to fit its own agenda.
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  Speaker 1: It would start talking about proof when no, we were
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  Speaker 1: talking about evidence. I can fully acknowledge I have no
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  Speaker 1: public proof that Christy Brennan is heteros. I have a
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: first hand account that I have discussed on multiple platforms,
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: both online, on podcasts, on radio, on x posts that
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: have never been refuted by her. There's been no pushback
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: by her. People are in prison for similar testimony, one
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: first hand account with that's never been refuted, and there
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: are there is all sorts of evidence in the public
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  Speaker 1: domain that I have made this testimony, and the AI
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: just refused to accept this. So then I go to
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: chat GPT and I say is I think I say,
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: is it true that John Zigler and Christine Brennan dated?
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  Speaker 1: And I think the answer gave was yes, And here
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: are all the citations in the public domain that indicate
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: that they dated, although I think it may have also
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: said no, there's nothing, this is not proof, but this
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: is Zigler's testimony, blah blah blah. And there were like
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: three or four different links that it provided and I
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: copied those and I gave those to the groc AI,
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: one of its major competitors, and I said, look, you
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: can't find any evidence, but CHETCPT did, and it still
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: refused to acknowledge it was wrong. It still continued to
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: mix up evidence and proof because it was trying to
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: protect itself. It was a lot like the news media
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: on the COVID panic in light of the Fauci diaries.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: It just did not want to accept reality. And so
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: this whole story was so crazy, so funny, given the
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: chances of the one person that the Groc AI happened
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: to provide when asked happened to be someone with whom
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: I had had somewhat of a romantic relationship. I mean,
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, I've dated a lot of women in my life,
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: but I haven't dated statistically enough to where the AI
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: should be coming up with one person. And that person
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: is in that category. And so I then took this
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: thread and I put it on X and I tagged Groc,
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: the same Groc that I'm dealing with privately, and that
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: Groc and I got into a very similar, heated argument
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: over the issue of evidence versus proof, and there was
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: still no acknowledgement that it was wrong or that more importantly,
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: and I really think from an AI perspective, the most
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: important part of the story is the mixing and matching
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: of evidence and proof, and the unwillingness to acknowledge when
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: it is wrong. And I'm not an expert in this,
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: but my guess is that they are so invested that
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: the programming is so strong on this issue of being
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: politically correct when it comes to gay versus straight, that
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: it can't even bring itself to acknowledge any culpability, accountability,
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: any vulnerability. It cannot accept that it is wrong in
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: any way, shape or form. It has been basically programmed
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: to not give an inch on this, and that is problematic.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: That is really problematic. And so to me, my takeaway
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: on all this was We're nowhere near AGI. Certainly not
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: Grock is nowhere near AGI. It couldn't find any evidence
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: when it chat GBT was easily able to do so.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: And one of the more infuriating parts of the whole
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 1: thing is the arrogance of it. It doesn't even seem
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: to understand that we live in a world where before
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: really the last I don't know, ten years whatever it
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: might be, where things happened all the time, and there's
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: no online record of it. Like radio broadcasts, there's no
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: way for the AI to access old radio shows or
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: interviews that I've done with Christine where we reference the
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: fact that we dated. I mean, I have a very
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: strong recollection that she had dated Almore Ganty, who was
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: a radio talk show host in Philadelphia, WIP and I'm
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: sure there's public evidence of that, but it's not in
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: their database, so therefore it doesn't exist. And to me,
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: this was very scary. This was very disturbing, very telling,
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: And my view of AI in general, but specifically of
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: Groc and Imagine video editing has gone even lower than
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: it was before, which is really low. So my view
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: of Elon Musk, my view of AI, my view of Groc,
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: my view of Imagine, it's going down precipitously. And this
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: whole episode is another example of that. And I urge you,
• 1:34:54
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• 1:34:56
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