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- 0:00Speaker 1: Wait wait, well girl, wait wait, good evening and welcome
- 0:07Speaker 1: to the program. I'm Caleb Bond with Danika to Georgio
- 0:10Speaker 1: and Michelle Stevenson. Welcome to the show. Michelle, thank you good.
- 0:13Speaker 1: I think it's the first later I've done with you.
- 0:15Speaker 2: Yes, we have not done one together. I'm very excited
- 0:18Speaker 2: to be with you. The matching tie the socks.
- 0:20Speaker 3: They can't see the socks, well no, they're really by.
- 0:23Speaker 1: The problem because you know regular viewers. No, I try
- 0:25Speaker 1: to match the socks, but you can't be right. You
- 0:30Speaker 1: can't see it when I'm behind this. I like your
- 0:32Speaker 1: shoes to that too, Denise.
- 0:33Speaker 4: Thank you very much. We're quite colorful this evening. Actually
- 0:35Speaker 4: I have to say.
- 0:36Speaker 1: Yeah it's I like the blue thing.
- 0:38Speaker 5: Yes, but I just like you can can league. Oh
- 0:40Speaker 5: look that's what the women of Australia want.
- 0:43Speaker 4: Oh.
- 0:44Speaker 1: Absolutely, our dms are open. It's all over now, baby blue,
- 0:49Speaker 1: all right, show shall we? Brisbane is saying to be
- 0:52Speaker 1: ten thousand hotel rooms short for the twenty thirty two Olympics,
- 0:55Speaker 1: but now Tourism Boss of Safety solution is to float
- 0:58Speaker 1: cruise ships off the coast. Would you stay on a
- 1:01Speaker 1: cruise ship for the chance to see the Olympics. A
- 1:03Speaker 1: doctor says it's become impossible to tell junior staff when
- 1:07Speaker 1: they've done the wrong thing. And I don't think that's
- 1:09Speaker 1: the only workplace. Have the kids gone soft? And a
- 1:12Speaker 1: new tax on superannuation has been uncovered in the never
- 1:16Speaker 1: ending saga that is Jim Chalmer's com federal budget that's
- 1:19Speaker 1: on the front of Tomorrow's Australian. But first it is
- 1:22Speaker 1: of course the story that has gripped the country, certainly
- 1:25Speaker 1: the footballing parts of the country and even up here
- 1:28Speaker 1: in Sydney. That is the saga involving the Sydney Swans. Now,
- 1:33Speaker 1: of course Sydney played on the weekend yesterday. They had
- 1:35Speaker 1: a fifty three point win to North Melbourne and there
- 1:38Speaker 1: was a lot of emotion amongst the playing group and
- 1:41Speaker 1: the coaches and the team after the match because of
- 1:44Speaker 1: course they had been through a week of hell after
- 1:47Speaker 1: allegations that came out last Monday involving five players who
- 1:52Speaker 1: were in a hotel room in Monday in Melbourne. I
- 1:55Speaker 1: should say after the game that they played over there
- 1:58Speaker 1: and of course we know what has fallen out from that.
- 2:01Speaker 1: You can see the five players there on the screen
- 2:03Speaker 1: who are now embroiled in a saga that involved a
- 2:06Speaker 1: number of strippers, and there is a criminal investigation afoot.
- 2:10Speaker 1: A number of people from the club have been questioned
- 2:13Speaker 1: in regards to that investigation today. But there was this
- 2:16Speaker 1: thing hanging over all of this because the Brownlow Medal
- 2:20Speaker 1: is coming up now. The Brownlow for the uninitiated in
- 2:22Speaker 1: the AFL is the best and fairest of the entire league.
- 2:26Speaker 1: And the way voting for the Brownlow works is that
- 2:29Speaker 1: after every match, the field umpires come together and they
- 2:32Speaker 1: decide the best players on the field in terms of one, two, three,
- 2:36Speaker 1: you know, one being the best, three being the third best,
- 2:39Speaker 1: and they give three votes to the number one, two
- 2:41Speaker 1: votes to the number two, and one vote to number three,
- 2:44Speaker 1: and then on one night later in the year they
- 2:47Speaker 1: read out all of the votes over the course of
- 2:49Speaker 1: the year, and then whoever has the most votes is
- 2:51Speaker 1: the best and fairest of the AFL, and they win
- 2:54Speaker 1: the Brownlow Medal. It's tell of ours if you've ever
- 2:56Speaker 1: watched it. It's a very long evening. But these players
- 3:00Speaker 1: now being embroiled in a criminal investigation and having been
- 3:03Speaker 1: suspended by the Swans for five games, many people have
- 3:07Speaker 1: asked the question should they be eligible to win the
- 3:11Speaker 1: Brownlow Medal given they are now involved in this saga
- 3:15Speaker 1: Will the boss of the AFL today, Andrew Dillon, has
- 3:19Speaker 1: addressed this. He said they will still be eligible for
- 3:22Speaker 1: the Brownlow, they just can't be there. The invitation for
- 3:26Speaker 1: the Brownlo will be going out this week. Those players
- 3:28Speaker 1: won't be invited.
- 3:29Speaker 6: They are still eligible for the Brandlow, but they're under
- 3:32Speaker 6: a club suspension which goes until the end of the season.
- 3:35Speaker 1: So you could end up with a situation, for instance,
- 3:38Speaker 1: where say Isaac Heeney, who is one of the five
- 3:40Speaker 1: suspended players and one of the best players for the
- 3:43Speaker 1: Sydney Swans, could potentially win the Brownlow Medal but not
- 3:48Speaker 1: be allowed to be there to accept it. Now, I
- 3:51Speaker 1: will say I think the AFL is right to not
- 3:54Speaker 1: allow them to go to the awards. Not I think
- 3:56Speaker 1: it would draw unnecessary attention to the Brownlow Medal because
- 4:01Speaker 1: of course the media won't be there to see what's
- 4:03Speaker 1: going on at the Brownlow Medal. They'll all be there
- 4:06Speaker 1: trying to get a quote out of Isaac Keeney or
- 4:08Speaker 1: any other player from the Sydney Swans. So I get
- 4:11Speaker 1: that and they've been suspended by their club and basically
- 4:14Speaker 1: for bringing the game into disrepute. So I think that
- 4:16Speaker 1: is a fair decision, and I also think, to be
- 4:19Speaker 1: quite honest, that there's no reason to exclude them from
- 4:22Speaker 1: the Brownlow Medal, as much as some people have said
- 4:25Speaker 1: that they should be ineligible for it. They've not yet
- 4:28Speaker 1: been charged with any crime. The investigation is still afoot.
- 4:32Speaker 1: But you are innocent until proven guilty in this country.
- 4:36Speaker 1: Whether you are a sports player or a brick layer
- 4:39Speaker 1: or a television presenter, we're all entitled to the same
- 4:42Speaker 1: presumption of innocence, and without any evidence that they've done
- 4:45Speaker 1: something criminally wrong. Danika, I don't see any genuine argument,
- 4:49Speaker 1: despite the outrage from some people, that they should be
- 4:52Speaker 1: excluded from the Brownlow Medal count.
- 4:54Speaker 5: Well, go, I disagree.
- 4:55Speaker 4: I actually think they should be discluded from the Brownlow
- 4:58Speaker 4: Medal count.
- 4:58Speaker 5: Because, as you said, they have brought the game into disrepute.
- 5:02Speaker 5: So don't you think that would.
- 5:03Speaker 4: Look a little bit strange if then one of them
- 5:05Speaker 4: was to indeed win. What sort of a message does
- 5:07Speaker 4: that send?
- 5:08Speaker 1: Now?
- 5:08Speaker 4: I agree that it is innocent until proven guilty, but
- 5:11Speaker 4: correct me if I'm wrong. Caleb if you say, strike
- 5:14Speaker 4: a player in the middle of the season, you're suspended
- 5:15Speaker 4: for a few weeks. Does that not automatically disqualify you
- 5:18Speaker 4: from the Brown Low?
- 5:19Speaker 1: It does, because you would then be suspended by the league. Now,
- 5:22Speaker 1: if you're suspended by the league, you are excluded from
- 5:24Speaker 1: the Brownlow. They have not been suspended by the league.
- 5:27Speaker 1: They've been suspended by their club because they brought the
- 5:30Speaker 1: club into disrepute. Now what the AFL then.
- 5:32Speaker 4: Haven't they brought the entire AFL into disrepute.
- 5:36Speaker 1: What the AFL has said is that they will have
- 5:38Speaker 1: their own investigation once criminal investigations have closed, right, And
- 5:42Speaker 1: I think that's the proper course of action because I
- 5:44Speaker 1: don't necessarily want the AFL to be making any prejudicial
- 5:47Speaker 1: judgments about what may or may not have happened. So
- 5:50Speaker 1: until they are charged and found guilty of something by
- 5:52Speaker 1: the AFL, they're still eligible for the Brown Law.
- 5:55Speaker 4: But then, while this investigation is ongoing, there's a criminal investigation,
- 5:59Speaker 4: the Swans are doing own. The AFL as doing their
- 6:01Speaker 4: own Why would it be appropriate then for them to
- 6:04Speaker 4: win a medal? You look at what happened over the
- 6:07Speaker 4: weekend when the Swans players took to the field, they
- 6:09Speaker 4: won their game. They won the game over the weekend,
- 6:11Speaker 4: they were Swans players in tears. This has had an
- 6:14Speaker 4: immense impact on all of the players, on all of
- 6:17Speaker 4: the club. In fact, I would say the AFL in general.
- 6:20Speaker 4: They have let their teammates down at such a critical
- 6:23Speaker 4: juncture of the season in finals week and you are
- 6:27Speaker 4: telling me that one of them could possibly win the
- 6:29Speaker 4: Brownlow Medal when all of their teammates now have to
- 6:32Speaker 4: go on the field without five important players in the
- 6:35Speaker 4: lead up to the finals series and the lead up
- 6:37Speaker 4: to that Golden Premiership to want to win the finals,
- 6:39Speaker 4: there would go there's a vision of the players. I think,
- 6:41Speaker 4: is it the captain? That's the captain crying over the weekend.
- 6:46Speaker 4: It doesn't look right to me. It looks wrong. It
- 6:49Speaker 4: just sends the wrong message. And again I stress innocent
- 6:52Speaker 4: until proven guilty. But it looks really poor if one
- 6:56Speaker 4: of them was to win the Brownlow Medal.
- 6:57Speaker 2: But I do think like the fact that they are
- 6:59Speaker 2: out for the rest the season probably automatically discounts them anyway,
- 7:02Speaker 2: because it would be very difficult. I mean Isaac Kine,
- 7:05Speaker 2: he probably would be high up there when it comes
- 7:07Speaker 2: to the points. But I think by missing out on
- 7:11Speaker 2: these five games, automatically, they're probably going to be knocked
- 7:13Speaker 2: out as it is, so I do think it is
- 7:15Speaker 2: a punishment. And again, you know, no, they haven't really
- 7:18Speaker 2: been formally interviewed.
- 7:21Speaker 1: One game because the final series doesn't count.
- 7:24Speaker 2: Towards Oh okay, right right, So I mean sports ball.
- 7:28Speaker 2: I mean, I'm so glad you broke down the brown
- 7:31Speaker 2: low metal stuff because I was like, how does it
- 7:33Speaker 2: actually work?
- 7:34Speaker 3: I had no idea, But like.
- 7:35Speaker 2: So, they're already going to miss out on all these games,
- 7:38Speaker 2: so they're already, you know, being being taken out of
- 7:42Speaker 2: the thing that they love to do, and you know,
- 7:45Speaker 2: they've lost so much already without being formally viewed. With
- 7:49Speaker 2: our charges being laid, I do think at the end
- 7:51Speaker 2: of the day, we need to take a breath here
- 7:54Speaker 2: and wait till we see what the evidence is saying.
- 7:58Speaker 1: And I think that's that is the point, is not.
- 8:00Speaker 1: I mean, if you if you said a precedent that
- 8:04Speaker 1: and I agree with you that it has brought the
- 8:05Speaker 1: game into distributes, It's caused major issues in the league.
- 8:09Speaker 1: But if you said a precedent that you can have
- 8:12Speaker 1: your potential to win a Best and Fairest medal or
- 8:15Speaker 1: any other award within the league taken away from you
- 8:18Speaker 1: before there has been a finding of guilt by either
- 8:21Speaker 1: a criminal court or the AFL itself, then don't you
- 8:25Speaker 1: start going down a dangerous path.
- 8:27Speaker 5: But there was enough, There was enough, There was enough
- 8:29Speaker 5: in it.
- 8:30Speaker 4: But then the Swans have already suspended them for the
- 8:32Speaker 4: rest of the season.
- 8:33Speaker 5: But that isn't that enough evidence?
- 8:35Speaker 3: But that's not evidence.
- 8:36Speaker 2: That's that's the evidence of them bringing the game into
- 8:38Speaker 2: disrescrit repute because they were drinking, they were doing things
- 8:41Speaker 2: they were not meant to be doing that they're not
- 8:43Speaker 2: allowed to do as Swan's players. That is completely different
- 8:46Speaker 2: and completely separate from the current investigation of criminal crime.
- 8:50Speaker 4: I get it's I get it's completely separate. But the
- 8:52Speaker 4: reality is that been suspended till the end of the season.
- 8:54Speaker 4: So why do they deserve to win the AFL's top
- 8:59Speaker 4: honor if they have been suspended for you know whatever.
- 9:04Speaker 3: AFL hasn't suspended.
- 9:06Speaker 1: Because the club has said we didn't like that you
- 9:08Speaker 1: were up until five am drinking.
- 9:10Speaker 3: With gain people.
- 9:11Speaker 5: They've they've let everybody down.
- 9:12Speaker 1: And fair enough. But if the AFL has not yet
- 9:15Speaker 1: found them to have committed any kind of misconduct within
- 9:18Speaker 1: the AFL's codes. Why does that exclude them from winning
- 9:21Speaker 1: a league award because I don't.
- 9:22Speaker 4: Think that they deserve it if they have let their
- 9:24Speaker 4: own teammates down.
- 9:25Speaker 1: So we now allow things decisions to be made outside
- 9:29Speaker 1: of the league's codes about who can.
- 9:30Speaker 4: Well, I'm not saying that, but the reality is is
- 9:32Speaker 4: that they have brought the As I said, they brought
- 9:34Speaker 4: the game into disrepute, and they have significant We're talking
- 9:37Speaker 4: five players here, Caleb, we have significantly input.
- 9:40Speaker 3: We also know what it is that they've done.
- 9:42Speaker 4: I agree that is, but it was enough for the
- 9:44Speaker 4: Swans to suspend them. And I think the Swans have
- 9:46Speaker 4: handled this exceptionally well.
- 9:47Speaker 5: And I also think.
- 9:48Speaker 4: That the Swan's coming out making quick and decisive action
- 9:51Speaker 4: saying yep, we're going to suspend you. They've been on
- 9:53Speaker 4: the front foot, the chairman came out with his press conderance.
- 9:55Speaker 4: Everything was done very very quickly. And what then It
- 9:59Speaker 4: kind of goes counter intuitive to what the AFL is doing.
- 10:02Speaker 4: I just don't think it makes sense. Everybody needs to
- 10:03Speaker 4: be on a unity ticket when it comes to discipline.
- 10:06Speaker 2: Agreed, agree, I'm going to move on to Brisbane at
- 10:09Speaker 2: the moment. So the twenty thirty two Olympics are coming up,
- 10:13Speaker 2: and of course, in true Queensland style, they are not
- 10:15Speaker 2: even ready. They are apparently ten thousand hotel rooms or
- 10:20Speaker 2: units or apartments shy.
- 10:22Speaker 3: Of even being able to handle everyone.
- 10:23Speaker 2: So someone's come up with a bright idea floated, the idea,
- 10:27Speaker 2: I might say, of using cruise ships to kind of
- 10:31Speaker 2: take care of everyone and make sure that people are
- 10:34Speaker 2: amply served. So you know, we've got tourism chiefs calling
- 10:38Speaker 2: for the cruise ships to plug that massive Brisbane hole.
- 10:41Speaker 2: Real and Athens, weirdly have also also did the same
- 10:45Speaker 2: thing during the Olympics. Now, to me, this is just
- 10:48Speaker 2: kind of a side of gas strow with your games experience.
- 10:51Speaker 3: I can't even imagine.
- 10:52Speaker 2: It's not that it's not exactly the games experience that
- 10:56Speaker 2: I would hope and want for myself. And I think
- 10:59Speaker 2: also at the end of the day, it's an opportunity
- 11:01Speaker 2: for Queensland to kind of boost their housing supply as well,
- 11:05Speaker 2: so you know, they can boost the housing, they can
- 11:07Speaker 2: boost the hotels so that these places will exist once
- 11:13Speaker 2: the games have been and gone, which is essentially what
- 11:16Speaker 2: a lot of these places do. So I don't know
- 11:20Speaker 2: what's going on here, but let's have a look at
- 11:22Speaker 2: Natasha Wheeler, chief exec from Queensland Tourism, knew what she
- 11:25Speaker 2: had to say.
- 11:27Speaker 5: This is the moment where we need to look outside
- 11:28Speaker 5: the square.
- 11:29Speaker 4: We need to think we could activate these right up
- 11:31Speaker 4: and down the Queensland coast.
- 11:34Speaker 2: Now I am thinking that maybe they just need to
- 11:38Speaker 2: try harder.
- 11:40Speaker 4: Yeah, but also like it just sums me that they
- 11:43Speaker 4: don't have the infrastructure, and I mean, yeah, look, to
- 11:46Speaker 4: plan for an Olympic Games in itself is a mammoth,
- 11:49Speaker 4: mammoth effort, and this is going to cost the taxpayer
- 11:52Speaker 4: upwards of fifteen billion dollars. There were even estimates recently
- 11:55Speaker 4: by a number of experts saying that figure should be
- 11:59Speaker 4: in puts of twenty billion dollars. So it's not cheap already.
- 12:03Speaker 4: The infrastructure, isn't there. A lot of previous places that
- 12:07Speaker 4: have held Olympic Games end up saying great for tourism,
- 12:11Speaker 4: but it actually ended up being a complete drain on
- 12:13Speaker 4: the economy. And now we're going to have floating cruise
- 12:17Speaker 4: ships that are going to be quasi hotels because we
- 12:20Speaker 4: don't have any hotels. We don't have a place to
- 12:23Speaker 4: put you, but please come to Brisbane anyway and visit us.
- 12:27Speaker 4: And I agree it's like a COVID cruise ship. I
- 12:30Speaker 4: do agree with putting people on cruise ships at all.
- 12:33Speaker 1: But hang on, in effect, how would a cruise ship
- 12:38Speaker 1: being used as a makeshift hotel be any different in
- 12:42Speaker 1: terms of spread of disease or anything than a hotel.
- 12:45Speaker 3: Have you been on a cruise ship?
- 12:47Speaker 1: Okay, cruise ships when they're used as a cruise ship are.
- 12:50Speaker 2: Floating on peetrie dishes, floating petri dishes.
- 12:54Speaker 1: But you know why that is, don't you. It's because
- 12:57Speaker 1: there you can't get off the bloody thing. So you
- 13:00Speaker 1: got it if you've got to DoPT and you can
- 13:02Speaker 1: get on it because you're going there to go to
- 13:05Speaker 1: the Olympics, right, You're getting on and off the cruise
- 13:07Speaker 1: ship every day. To explain to me how it is
- 13:10Speaker 1: any worse in terms of.
- 13:11Speaker 2: I can, because you've got a mammoth amount of people
- 13:15Speaker 2: on a small confined space, using the same air, using the.
- 13:20Speaker 5: No.
- 13:20Speaker 4: No, you don't have balconies on every single cruise floor,
- 13:25Speaker 4: Caleb Nana.
- 13:29Speaker 3: The same bar.
- 13:30Speaker 1: Now you always stay in the top hotel rooms because
- 13:34Speaker 1: we're obviously paying you to You've never stayed in the
- 13:36Speaker 1: hotel room that doesn't have a balcony.
- 13:37Speaker 3: Of course, I have many window but you've got a window.
- 13:40Speaker 5: I've got a window.
- 13:41Speaker 1: You don't think you have windows on I think.
- 13:44Speaker 4: The point is this is already going to be such
- 13:46Speaker 4: a stain on the taxpai calib right now. If you
- 13:48Speaker 4: cannot afford the basic infrastructure already, or you don't have
- 13:51Speaker 4: it readily available, you're going to be adding on additional costs.
- 13:55Speaker 5: And I just think right now.
- 13:56Speaker 4: In the cost of living crisis, you have to ask
- 13:58Speaker 4: yourself is this worth the tax payer to what?
- 14:00Speaker 1: Now we cancel the Brisbane Olympics.
- 14:03Speaker 3: I'm not you.
- 14:03Speaker 5: Cancel or the big games. You're just saying if you,
- 14:06Speaker 5: if you.
- 14:06Speaker 1: Is it worth it?
- 14:07Speaker 4: If you want to nominate yourself, if you want to
- 14:09Speaker 4: nominate yourself as a state that's going to host the
- 14:11Speaker 4: Olympic Games, then you need to be prepared. Can we
- 14:14Speaker 4: afford this? Do we have the structure size to afford
- 14:17Speaker 4: to accommodate this many people coming in? It's a bit
- 14:20Speaker 4: late for that to late, hence why they're holding these
- 14:23Speaker 4: cruise ships.
- 14:24Speaker 1: Well, so what if they have cruise ships, I can
- 14:26Speaker 1: get a toss if it means that at a reasonable price,
- 14:29Speaker 1: so I can get a room to go and watch
- 14:30Speaker 1: the Olympics. If it's a cruise ship, I couldn't give
- 14:33Speaker 1: a staff.
- 14:33Speaker 5: You know, this is a great opportunity.
- 14:35Speaker 4: If you've got a house up in Brisbane, you would
- 14:38Speaker 4: make so much game.
- 14:40Speaker 2: I remember when Athens, you know, they couldn't even get
- 14:43Speaker 2: their stuff together and organize all of their infrastructure either,
- 14:46Speaker 2: we as Australians had to.
- 14:48Speaker 3: Go over and help them. So what's gone wrong?
- 14:50Speaker 2: We're going to have to call on Athens now to
- 14:52Speaker 2: come over and help us.
- 14:53Speaker 4: Well, we might have to get the great but the
- 14:55Speaker 4: Greeks are great with infrastructure.
- 14:57Speaker 5: They're very good with building.
- 14:58Speaker 1: So that came up with the Olympics and they have
- 15:01Speaker 1: to do it. You can't tell me that there's anything
- 15:04Speaker 1: wrong with us doing it down here as I mean
- 15:06Speaker 1: the idea that they're going to build ten thousand units
- 15:08Speaker 1: or flats or whatever in in in Bridgsly, I mean
- 15:11Speaker 1: it's six years away.
- 15:13Speaker 2: But also where are you putting the cruise ships is
- 15:15Speaker 2: the problem.
- 15:16Speaker 3: They're not going to fit on the.
- 15:17Speaker 2: Water, no, of course, But like it's so far away,
- 15:21Speaker 2: where are you going to put a question? No, like,
- 15:25Speaker 2: there is nowhere that they can dock that is going
- 15:27Speaker 2: to be nearby with the facilities that they need them.
- 15:30Speaker 1: They'll work it out. Maybe they can go out in
- 15:31Speaker 1: the evening and just you know, toddle around and they
- 15:33Speaker 1: come back in the morning.
- 15:36Speaker 5: Bother doing that. What's the purpose of doing that?
- 15:38Speaker 1: You know, it could be a bit of fun. Who knows, No,
- 15:41Speaker 1: come back, come back for dinner and you know it
- 15:43Speaker 1: as part of the deal where you your bills and
- 15:45Speaker 1: booze aer included. Like if you go on a real cruise.
- 15:47Speaker 5: Have you mean on a cruise Cane, No, I haven't, No,
- 15:49Speaker 5: you have no, I haven't anyone else I have.
- 15:52Speaker 3: I went.
- 15:52Speaker 2: I went on the Verge, I went on the Boogie
- 15:54Speaker 2: one the Virgin, which was over eight.
- 15:57Speaker 3: So it was really it was a lot of fun.
- 15:59Speaker 4: No kids like it has to be a cruise with
- 16:02Speaker 4: our kids.
- 16:03Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the paradise of it all.
- 16:05Speaker 4: But no, look, look I know it's a while away.
- 16:07Speaker 4: There's still a lot to go. But regardless, I'd rather
- 16:10Speaker 4: just be on land, same in a hotel. Personally, David
- 16:15Speaker 4: Farley one nation.
- 16:18Speaker 1: You or him on a cruise and send him out
- 16:19Speaker 1: to sign I think, but I think.
- 16:21Speaker 4: That Pauline Hanson I have to consider bringing David Farley
- 16:24Speaker 4: on one of these cruises because I tell you what,
- 16:26Speaker 4: he keeps docking in the wrong dock every single time.
- 16:29Speaker 5: Now look, look, it keeps docking in the wrong dock.
- 16:32Speaker 3: Yeah, that's giving me a visual.
- 16:35Speaker 1: No camp has had those problems before.
- 16:37Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, I.
- 16:37Speaker 4: Thought that makes sense. So by now you wouldn't know,
- 16:40Speaker 4: of course that Pauline Hanson. One Nation they've been forced
- 16:43Speaker 4: to delete their previous tweets about migration after David Farley
- 16:47Speaker 4: completely bug it up. Their target for the net overseas migration,
- 16:52Speaker 4: So how many people they would like to see enter
- 16:54Speaker 4: this country and the net overseas migration is the key
- 16:56Speaker 4: marker of success. Now we know right now under labor
- 16:59Speaker 4: that overseas migration rate has been at record levels and
- 17:03Speaker 4: One Nation has been at the forefront of this saying
- 17:06Speaker 4: this is our immigration platform, and they've been doing quite
- 17:09Speaker 4: well on the polling.
- 17:11Speaker 5: But David Farley offered this lineup.
- 17:14Speaker 1: You're saying it needs to be one hundred and thirty
- 17:16Speaker 1: thousand non plus about one hundred thousand more. Yeah, at
- 17:20Speaker 1: a minimum.
- 17:20Speaker 7: Okay, the big difference is we're focusing on what are
- 17:23Speaker 7: the skills we need as a nation, where do we
- 17:25Speaker 7: need these migrants to be?
- 17:26Speaker 1: But the raw number, the raw number is not too different. Well,
- 17:29Speaker 1: the raw number is not too different.
- 17:31Speaker 4: Well, he may as well have just endorsed Labors policy
- 17:34Speaker 4: for their net overseas migration because if you look at
- 17:37Speaker 4: the figures, so twenty twenty three to twenty four there
- 17:40Speaker 4: was four hundred and forty six thousand people coming into
- 17:43Speaker 4: the country, twenty four to twenty five three hundred and six.
- 17:46Speaker 4: But here's the key one. These are the targets the
- 17:49Speaker 4: policy platforms set out by each party.
- 17:51Speaker 5: Labours is two hundred and twenty five.
- 17:54Speaker 4: The coalition still hasn't got a nom but broadly would
- 17:57Speaker 4: likely be in the range of two hundred thousand.
- 18:00Speaker 5: One nation was meant to be one hundred and thirty k.
- 18:02Speaker 4: Well, I mean Anthony Albanez, he was standing at a
- 18:04Speaker 4: press conference today basically going this is fantastic.
- 18:08Speaker 5: It's a vote for Labour's policy. Look, this is a really.
- 18:12Speaker 4: Big problem now, David Farley is a really big problem.
- 18:16Speaker 4: You remember a couple of months ago when he voted
- 18:18Speaker 4: with the Greens and the tills on a fuel tax.
- 18:21Speaker 5: That was his first error.
- 18:23Speaker 4: I've wondered what generally his political ambitions are, which way
- 18:28Speaker 4: he sways politically, because he also in twenty twenty applied
- 18:32Speaker 4: to join the ALP apparently donated money to an independent
- 18:35Speaker 4: as well. At press conferences or in interviews, he's muddled
- 18:40Speaker 4: his words.
- 18:40Speaker 5: He hasn't got it quite right.
- 18:42Speaker 4: But I think as well the other element of this
- 18:45Speaker 4: is that it comes down to having a policy platform,
- 18:48Speaker 4: and that is where one nation have indeed struggled that
- 18:51Speaker 4: they don't have clear policy and maybe there is a
- 18:53Speaker 4: lot of confusion with people within the party. I think
- 18:57Speaker 4: the only person really getting it right and nailing it
- 18:59Speaker 4: is to be Joyous. But he is a seasoned politician,
- 19:02Speaker 4: so you would expect that he would get it right.
- 19:05Speaker 4: But I just think that David Farley right now is
- 19:08Speaker 4: an embarrassment to the party. You can't trot him out
- 19:11Speaker 4: to do media interviews right now because he either needs
- 19:13Speaker 4: a lot of media training, or he needs to do
- 19:15Speaker 4: some research, or overall they need to sit down with
- 19:18Speaker 4: everyone and say this is our policy platform.
- 19:21Speaker 1: He's become a bit more available in the last few weeks.
- 19:23Speaker 1: I've noticed and he's popped up a fair bit on
- 19:27Speaker 1: this network during the day. I think I saw him
- 19:30Speaker 1: on Friday talking to Tom Connell. I think I saw
- 19:33Speaker 1: him the Friday prior. I think he might have been
- 19:35Speaker 1: on Thursday as well, talking to someone during the day. So,
- 19:40Speaker 1: and he hadn't done a lot of media prior during
- 19:42Speaker 1: the election campaign. I remember trying to get him on
- 19:46Speaker 1: and I think he might have done one appearance. All
- 19:49Speaker 1: didn't really do a lot of media through the campaign.
- 19:51Speaker 1: Maybe we are now seeing why that was the case.
- 19:55Speaker 1: One nation has to get their story straight and it's
- 19:59Speaker 1: not just David Farley going and saying, oh, well, you know,
- 20:01Speaker 1: the number would be pretty similar to what Labor has.
- 20:05Speaker 1: And it's also the fact that Paul and Hanson had
- 20:08Speaker 1: previously said on x that basically she wanted zero or
- 20:13Speaker 1: negative migration. If you take a look at the post,
- 20:18Speaker 1: it said one hundred and thirty K would be the
- 20:21Speaker 1: cap on arrivals, So that is the total number of
- 20:24Speaker 1: people who could come into the country minus all departures
- 20:28Speaker 1: two hundred and thirty k last year for example, to
- 20:31Speaker 1: arrive at the net overseas migration, which means if you
- 20:34Speaker 1: have one hundred and thirty come in and two hundred
- 20:36Speaker 1: and thirty go out, you'd actually have net overseas migration
- 20:40Speaker 1: of negative one hundred thousand, which is a very different
- 20:44Speaker 1: policy to saying that the net overseas migration is one
- 20:48Speaker 1: hundred and thirty thousand, because that means a positive entrance
- 20:52Speaker 1: to the country of one hundred and thirty thousand. So
- 20:53Speaker 1: if two hundred and thirty leave, that then means you
- 20:56Speaker 1: need another one hundred and thirty on top of that
- 20:59Speaker 1: three hundred and six tixty thousand people to move to
- 21:02Speaker 1: the country to achieve you need overseas migration. That they
- 21:04Speaker 1: are two very different policies that have been hawked by
- 21:08Speaker 1: one nation. If they're now saying that it's overseas migration
- 21:12Speaker 1: of one hundred and thirty, I think there are a
- 21:14Speaker 1: lot of people who would have rather preferred the negative migration. Yeah.
- 21:18Speaker 2: Well, I think this is a massive mess for Pauline Hanson,
- 21:21Speaker 2: Like her whole brand was built on this being tough
- 21:24Speaker 2: on migration policy and she's had to backtrack and delete
- 21:27Speaker 2: a tweet that was five months ago she said this
- 21:30Speaker 2: is what we're doing. Now we're doing this. You've got
- 21:32Speaker 2: Barnaby Joyce saying one thing you've got finally saying another thing,
- 21:36Speaker 2: and she's saying another thing. This is really indicative and
- 21:39Speaker 2: it's going to be the issue that one nation is
- 21:40Speaker 2: going to face moving forward, like are they going to
- 21:43Speaker 2: understand what it is that they're putting forward when it
- 21:46Speaker 2: comes to policy positioning. And I think at the end
- 21:48Speaker 2: of the day, they're just not messaging to everyone within
- 21:52Speaker 2: the party because they're doing it in a rush. They're
- 21:55Speaker 2: just collecting people joining them up to one nation, telling
- 22:00Speaker 2: them to run.
- 22:01Speaker 3: And they're doing it all without.
- 22:03Speaker 2: The checks and balances that are required most parties, like
- 22:06Speaker 2: the Liberal Party, Labor Party, you have to go through
- 22:08Speaker 2: a real system of checks and balances before you can
- 22:11Speaker 2: even run, before you can stand up. So I think
- 22:14Speaker 2: what we're going to see is we're going to see
- 22:15Speaker 2: a few more people like this who just are going
- 22:18Speaker 2: to not understand what it's like to be in the
- 22:20Speaker 2: public eye to put a position forward or to fall
- 22:24Speaker 2: into line. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if David
- 22:26Speaker 2: Foley doesn't even last so long.
- 22:27Speaker 4: And I guess this is the hardest thing now for
- 22:29Speaker 4: one nation. Yeah, to your point, it's who do you
- 22:33Speaker 4: bring along with you? Because Pauline is a brand.
- 22:37Speaker 3: She is the brand.
- 22:38Speaker 4: She is the brand. She's the brand of the party.
- 22:41Speaker 4: So it's not just like a broad liberal party or
- 22:43Speaker 4: labor party. When you join one nation, you are representing
- 22:47Speaker 4: her basically, and when you've got strays, that's just the
- 22:52Speaker 4: best way to it's going to be a lot of
- 22:54Speaker 4: strays joining the party and trying to sell a brand
- 22:58Speaker 4: when maybe you don't necessarily have an understanding of what
- 23:01Speaker 4: the policy is or how the political system works, and
- 23:05Speaker 4: you can learn. I don't think that when Pauline Hanson
- 23:07Speaker 4: enter Parliament she had any idea and you know, look
- 23:10Speaker 4: at her now, adit credit where it's due.
- 23:12Speaker 5: She's done an amazing job.
- 23:16Speaker 4: But when you do make these errors, it actually brings
- 23:19Speaker 4: down Pauline Hanson.
- 23:21Speaker 5: Sure, there's the brand.
- 23:22Speaker 1: And because migration is such an important topic for one
- 23:26Speaker 1: nation and basically is what has made one nation so
- 23:30Speaker 1: successful in the last nine months or so, it's the
- 23:34Speaker 1: one thing that they really have to be across. I
- 23:36Speaker 1: understand that, you know, as a backbencher you kind of
- 23:39Speaker 1: have the right generally within parties on the right to
- 23:42Speaker 1: say what you think. You don't necessarily have to adhere
- 23:45Speaker 1: to party policy all the time. As the Coalition has
- 23:48Speaker 1: always had as convention. But if there's one thing they
- 23:51Speaker 1: should all be on the same page about it is migration.
- 23:54Speaker 1: And of course tomorrow evening seven pm, do not miss
- 23:57Speaker 1: Chris Kenney's special documentary right here on News twenty four
- 24:01Speaker 1: The Fight for the Right, which we'll be looking into
- 24:04Speaker 1: all of these matters and more when it comes to
- 24:06Speaker 1: the battle between one nation and the Coalition for who
- 24:10Speaker 1: gets to be the predominant party on the right of
- 24:12Speaker 1: politics in Australia. Let's have a complete change of tax share.
- 24:15Speaker 1: Let's go from all of that to talk about Bookweek. Yes,
- 24:18Speaker 1: Book Week is coming up to a school near you,
- 24:20Speaker 1: and I'm sure if you're a parent or a grandparent
- 24:23Speaker 1: you know all about it. The kiddies get dressed up
- 24:25Speaker 1: as their favorite characters from books, or at least they're
- 24:28Speaker 1: meant to get dressed up as their favorite characters from books.
- 24:32Speaker 1: But it turns out the news Court papers have gone
- 24:34Speaker 1: and had to look at some of the policies from
- 24:36Speaker 1: various schools across the country. They're starting to crack down
- 24:39Speaker 1: a bit on bookwek because it's seemingly turned into a
- 24:43Speaker 1: bit of a free for all. You know, people are
- 24:46Speaker 1: turning up dressed as all in sundry, sometimes even stuff
- 24:50Speaker 1: that is not even from a book. Reporting The News
- 24:53Speaker 1: Corp Papers Today said a South Australian Catholic school and
- 24:57Speaker 1: political figures and fan fiction, while a Queensland Christian school
- 25:02Speaker 1: told parents, keeping with the Christian values of our school,
- 25:05Speaker 1: we would ask there be no wizards, witches, witches, weapons,
- 25:10Speaker 1: zombies and the like. So I guess that's you know,
- 25:13Speaker 1: no Harry Potter or any of that. Your kid can't
- 25:15Speaker 1: dress up as Peter Darton or Art the Turnbull or
- 25:20Speaker 1: Tony Abbott or anyone and go to the book show.
- 25:23Speaker 1: It also says a New South Wales Christian school band
- 25:25Speaker 1: inflatable costumes, and a Victorian Christian school told parents to
- 25:30Speaker 1: select a book character and not a movie or television
- 25:33Speaker 1: character unless they are devised from a book or literary event.
- 25:38Speaker 1: I wholeheartedly agree with that. What I have to say
- 25:40Speaker 1: goes and say. But schools are even pushing back on
- 25:42Speaker 1: storeboard costumes, with some only awarding prizes for homemade outfits
- 25:46Speaker 1: and All Saints Gramma in Sydney is encouraging parents to
- 25:50Speaker 1: make their own outfit. Now. I remember Book Week when
- 25:53Speaker 1: I was at school, and it was a celebration of literature.
- 25:58Speaker 1: It was a celebration of books. And you know, I
- 26:00Speaker 1: don't think we wore anything particularly over the top from memory.
- 26:05Speaker 1: You know, you might have put on you know, kids
- 26:07Speaker 1: came in for Harry Potter and had you know, like
- 26:10Speaker 1: a gryffind or scarf or head some witch's hat. Like
- 26:14Speaker 1: it wasn't It wasn't terribly over the top from what
- 26:18Speaker 1: I can remember. But the photographs I see now, kids
- 26:22Speaker 1: it seems to become a bit of a runaway thing
- 26:25Speaker 1: and there are there dressing up and seeing some movies.
- 26:27Speaker 1: And also it should be about the books. It's meant
- 26:30Speaker 1: to be a celebration of kids reading. And so if
- 26:34Speaker 1: it's a kid dressing up as their favorite book character,
- 26:38Speaker 1: no problem with that. But once we start getting into,
- 26:41Speaker 1: you know, some television show, I think it's completely outside
- 26:45Speaker 1: of the point of bookwik which is to encourage kids
- 26:48Speaker 1: to read. And I think that is more important now
- 26:51Speaker 1: than ever with kids on technology and all this sort
- 26:54Speaker 1: of stuff. Bringing the joy of reading to children. Anything
- 26:57Speaker 1: we can do to encourage that is good. So yeah,
- 27:00Speaker 1: ban all the TV shows.
- 27:01Speaker 3: Oh look, I agree, like totally.
- 27:03Speaker 2: When my son was at school, and we had Bookweek,
- 27:05Speaker 2: they would be coming as Batman and all of like
- 27:08Speaker 2: any of the figures, you know, all of the big
- 27:11Speaker 2: the big movies. So I completely agree where you're coming from.
- 27:14Speaker 2: But the problem is book Week for parents is a nightmare,
- 27:20Speaker 2: like like if you have to make it, it is
- 27:23Speaker 2: My son was always in tears because it never turned
- 27:26Speaker 2: out the way.
- 27:26Speaker 3: He wanted it. So it was like it was an
- 27:29Speaker 3: absolute nightmare.
- 27:30Speaker 2: And when your time pole, like every parent is extremely
- 27:33Speaker 2: time poor having to make that, and then you're having
- 27:35Speaker 2: to do everything else, you're having to help with homework,
- 27:38Speaker 2: it's just can we just bann.
- 27:39Speaker 3: Bookwek I want to ban it.
- 27:42Speaker 5: I want to ban book Week.
- 27:43Speaker 3: No read, don't dress up.
- 27:45Speaker 2: It's so I can't. I can't even tell you a
- 27:48Speaker 2: parent who likes it. I can't tell you a parent
- 27:50Speaker 2: who likes.
- 27:50Speaker 4: Only the kids love it though, when they come in
- 27:52Speaker 4: with their little costume.
- 27:54Speaker 5: And I also think it fosterhere imagination.
- 27:57Speaker 4: It is that one week of the year does and
- 28:00Speaker 4: reading does too, but this is a celebration where they
- 28:03Speaker 4: can say, Mum and dad, this is my favorite character
- 28:06Speaker 4: from my book, and I want to bring it to life.
- 28:07Speaker 4: And I think that kids are so precious at that
- 28:09Speaker 4: age where they their creativity is off the charts, so
- 28:12Speaker 4: they want to foster that.
- 28:13Speaker 5: And I just think it's I want to.
- 28:15Speaker 4: Think it's so special for kids to be wearing it.
- 28:18Speaker 4: And as for this banning of witches and wizard costumes,
- 28:22Speaker 4: I mean, Harry Harry Potter with the book of my childhood.
- 28:26Speaker 4: The thought of not coming into into school wearing a
- 28:29Speaker 4: Hermony Granger outfit.
- 28:30Speaker 5: Oh, I've been devastated, for goodness sake. But we're taking
- 28:33Speaker 5: it a little bit too far now.
- 28:34Speaker 4: I do agree obviously for time, for time, poor parents,
- 28:37Speaker 4: this this sort of if you're banning at least allowed
- 28:40Speaker 4: which which costumes. Wizard costumes are the easiest out of
- 28:43Speaker 4: them all, If you're going to ban them, it makes
- 28:45Speaker 4: it very, very difficult for mom and dad who then
- 28:47Speaker 4: have to start bejeweling a costume because they've got to
- 28:50Speaker 4: go with something really special from the books. But I
- 28:53Speaker 4: think we're taking it too far now banning certain costumes
- 28:56Speaker 4: come on.
- 28:57Speaker 1: Well maybe, but I think within recent look, I understand
- 29:00Speaker 1: a Christian school mate say it, I don't want anything
- 29:02Speaker 1: that sort of fits outside of the of the school.
- 29:07Speaker 4: Come on, you, if your favorite character is Harry Potter
- 29:09Speaker 4: and you can't wear grow as a wizard.
- 29:11Speaker 1: Well, what if your favorite characters in Playboy? I mean,
- 29:14Speaker 1: you know you got to have.
- 29:17Speaker 7: That.
- 29:17Speaker 5: Kids are reading.
- 29:18Speaker 1: Oh look, I only read it for the articles?
- 29:22Speaker 5: Did you go to book week as?
- 29:24Speaker 1: I couldn't tell you. I honestly don't remember what I did.
- 29:28Speaker 2: I don't even have I don't even know if we
- 29:30Speaker 2: had bookwek when I yeah, I don't remember.
- 29:32Speaker 3: I remember it.
- 29:33Speaker 2: So it's I feel like it's a new thing, and
- 29:34Speaker 2: more and more and more the schools are adopting it
- 29:37Speaker 2: like it never used to be a thing.
- 29:38Speaker 4: No, I don't know. I feel like Caleb, you would
- 29:40Speaker 4: have gone something professional. All the other kids were in like,
- 29:44Speaker 4: I don't know who you are, Ken Market.
- 29:47Speaker 1: Well, I mean it's not entirely you. I mean I
- 29:49Speaker 1: would have been doing it what twenty odd years ago,
- 29:51Speaker 1: I suppose, So this is not completely new. But but
- 29:54Speaker 1: you know, it should all just be about the celebration
- 29:56Speaker 1: of the book. And you could even maybe maybe if
- 29:59Speaker 1: you don't the kids dressing up, you could have some
- 30:01Speaker 1: of the teachers dress up or something.
- 30:03Speaker 3: Let the teachers do it. I'm sure they would love that.
- 30:06Speaker 1: But but in general, I think anything that can be
- 30:08Speaker 1: done to foster kids reading is a good thing that
- 30:10Speaker 1: we should do it.
- 30:11Speaker 2: Yes, foster kids reading, but maybe not foster gen zs.
- 30:16Speaker 2: Because doctor Vine Rayne who was talking about why senior
- 30:20Speaker 2: doctors now for giving frank feedback to the next generation.
- 30:25Speaker 2: So what this is about is how senior doctors are
- 30:27Speaker 2: now staying silent on the shortcomings of gen Z because
- 30:32Speaker 2: they are worried that they're not going to accept the
- 30:35Speaker 2: good feedback and they're worried that it could actually be dangerous. Now,
- 30:40Speaker 2: teachers hesitate over disciplining students, managers agonize over performance reviews,
- 30:45Speaker 2: academics become circumspect in challenging colleagues, and employers discover that
- 30:50Speaker 2: an unremarkable workplace disagreement can acquire an impressive vocabulary once
- 30:55Speaker 2: it enters the hands of human resources. We now possess
- 30:59Speaker 2: well beingment's employee assistance programs, mandatory training models, reporting portals,
- 31:05Speaker 2: grievance procedures, and policies of extraordinary length and splendor. Yet
- 31:08Speaker 2: many younger professionals seem more isolated than the generations that
- 31:12Speaker 2: preceded them. So this was because they thought that there
- 31:17Speaker 2: was a time where a lot of the older. The
- 31:19Speaker 2: older doctors would bully nurses and it was kind of
- 31:23Speaker 2: part of what they did. And so I feel like
- 31:26Speaker 2: what's happened here now the pendulum has swung to the
- 31:29Speaker 2: other side, and now they're they're a little bit worried
- 31:31Speaker 2: of going too far and hurting people's feelings.
- 31:34Speaker 3: And what's happening now is.
- 31:35Speaker 2: A lot of younger doctors and a lot of younger
- 31:37Speaker 2: nurses aren't getting their training or the strict training that
- 31:41Speaker 2: they should be getting because doctors are afraid to hurt
- 31:45Speaker 2: their feelings.
- 31:45Speaker 3: And I think this set's a dangerous precedent.
- 31:47Speaker 1: And everybody gets a middle.
- 31:50Speaker 5: On their forehead congradus.
- 31:53Speaker 1: And I feel sorry for guys like the doctor here
- 31:57Speaker 1: who's acknowledging that, you know, things were perhaps not how
- 32:01Speaker 1: they should have been once upon a time, and medicine
- 32:04Speaker 1: was famous for it. You know, you would go in
- 32:07Speaker 1: for placement in a hospital or you were the junior
- 32:10Speaker 1: doctor or whatever, and you were asked, mercilessly hounded by
- 32:15Speaker 1: your superiors who thought, you know, if you didn't want
- 32:17Speaker 1: to work twenty six hours a day like they did,
- 32:19Speaker 1: that you were a slacker, and you know, absolutely put
- 32:22Speaker 1: you through the ringer and to some degree that is
- 32:24Speaker 1: unsustainable and not right. And so we've drummed all of
- 32:26Speaker 1: that stuff out and that's fine, but when you go
- 32:30Speaker 1: too far and it now becomes well, we're kind of
- 32:32Speaker 1: afraid to even give some criticism to a junior because
- 32:37Speaker 1: they might run off to Waychar and complain, and then
- 32:39Speaker 1: we get caught up in all the bog of all
- 32:41Speaker 1: of that, etc. You know, it starts with the kids
- 32:44Speaker 1: not having their scores counted in football on the weekend,
- 32:49Speaker 1: which they do now the juniors. They don't count the scores.
- 32:54Speaker 1: No one's a winner or a loser. There's no ladder,
- 32:56Speaker 1: there's no Grand final. It starts with all of that
- 32:59Speaker 1: crab and then you get these kids who go off
- 33:01Speaker 1: into the workforce eventually and they're like, what do you
- 33:05Speaker 1: mean there are winners and losers? Like you're telling me
- 33:08Speaker 1: we don't all just get a medal, Like seriously.
- 33:10Speaker 5: Wimpy, wimpy, no flakes.
- 33:13Speaker 1: But you know what degree wait, to a degree, I
- 33:16Speaker 1: feel sorry for the gen z, the kids, because they've
- 33:20Speaker 1: been bred to be like, yes, they've actually had it
- 33:23Speaker 1: done to them by people who should know much better.
- 33:26Speaker 4: Wrapped in cotton, absolutely wrapped in cotton wall, you get
- 33:29Speaker 4: a star, you get a medal. You know, it's all
- 33:31Speaker 4: this ridiculous, and I really despair for Z seriously, and
- 33:35Speaker 4: you know, one day you could be their boss. And
- 33:37Speaker 4: suddenly there are a bunch of backchatters who don't want
- 33:41Speaker 4: to work productivities at a whole, at a low and
- 33:44Speaker 4: they're just a bunch of lame ducks because they think
- 33:46Speaker 4: that you're wrong and they're right. Look, feedback in the
- 33:52Speaker 4: workplace is the only way to learn new skills. Even
- 33:55Speaker 4: if you are an expert in your field, you've been
- 33:58Speaker 4: working for in the same stray for twenty thirty years.
- 34:02Speaker 4: If you're not learning still new skills or you're not
- 34:05Speaker 4: learning new things, then your time has passed. Because I
- 34:08Speaker 4: always think that you can do better and you can
- 34:12Speaker 4: strive to be the best that you possibly can. Otherwise
- 34:15Speaker 4: then what is the point. And if you can't take
- 34:18Speaker 4: on any feedback, you are worthless in an organization. Now,
- 34:21Speaker 4: there is a way to approach it. You're not being
- 34:24Speaker 4: nasty about it, you're not pulling people aside bullying them.
- 34:27Speaker 4: And I do think that there are some bosses out
- 34:29Speaker 4: there who are terrible.
- 34:31Speaker 5: But if you're a good boss, you.
- 34:34Speaker 4: Would pull somebody aside and say you're doing great, but
- 34:36Speaker 4: let's change a few things. Let's try and figure out
- 34:38Speaker 4: how we can make this better. Blah blah blah. And
- 34:41Speaker 4: that is how you learn. And I realize that not
- 34:43Speaker 4: everyone is a go getter in this world. But for
- 34:45Speaker 4: goodness sake, come on.
- 34:46Speaker 2: But now, like all someone has to do is mention
- 34:49Speaker 2: the words psychosocial, and you know you are automatically no
- 34:52Speaker 2: longer their manager because people's feelings have been hurt.
- 34:55Speaker 3: Coddling of the.
- 34:56Speaker 2: American Mind, Highly recommended, is a great book and it talks.
- 34:58Speaker 3: About that a lot.
- 35:00Speaker 5: Yeah, before we go to a break.
- 35:01Speaker 4: Trust in the UK police, as you know, is at
- 35:04Speaker 4: an all time low right now. But they're certainly not
- 35:07Speaker 4: doing themselves any favors because staff or members of the
- 35:11Speaker 4: police force who don't know what gender they are, well
- 35:13Speaker 4: they can now be any gender that they want.
- 35:17Speaker 5: Gender fluid police officers.
- 35:18Speaker 4: Have now been handed to warrant cards so they can
- 35:21Speaker 4: identify as a man one day and a woman as
- 35:24Speaker 4: the next. According to the Gender HR policy, the organization
- 35:27Speaker 4: will be able to issue dual or multiple cards for
- 35:29Speaker 4: those who are transitioning or a gender fluid. It goes
- 35:32Speaker 4: on to say, if an individual does transition fully to
- 35:34Speaker 4: their chosen gender, then they must relinquish their duel cards
- 35:38Speaker 4: so that single card can be issued in their chosen identity.
- 35:41Speaker 5: I mean, seriously, this is the most confusing thing ever.
- 35:44Speaker 4: So tomorrow you could be John, Tomorrow the day after
- 35:47Speaker 4: you could be Jane, all the while trusted the UK
- 35:50Speaker 4: police is at an all time low, particularly off the
- 35:52Speaker 4: back of the Henry Novak case and other instances of
- 35:56Speaker 4: two tier policing, and their priority is gender.
- 36:00Speaker 1: I know, thank you for that, John, and you know
- 36:03Speaker 1: it's just and the and the problem of course is
- 36:05Speaker 1: if that someone wants to strip search you or something
- 36:08Speaker 1: like this, and you're entitled to have someone of your
- 36:10Speaker 1: biological sex, it becomes really confusing. Well that sees they
- 36:14Speaker 1: might be the complete opposite. Agenda, got to go to
- 36:16Speaker 1: a break. We'll be back on the other side going
- 36:18Speaker 1: through all of tomorrow's newspapers, including we talked about the
- 36:21Speaker 1: Swan saga at the top of the show. Now Richmond
- 36:24Speaker 1: players after Mad Monday have found themselves involved. All this
- 36:28Speaker 1: will tell you how and why.
- 36:30Speaker 5: In a moment.
- 36:38Speaker 1: Now, Janika has received a message during the break from
- 36:41Speaker 1: someone theorizing about what I might have dressed up as
- 36:45Speaker 1: a book week would you would you care to see?
- 36:47Speaker 5: Yes, it was a grace.
- 36:48Speaker 4: She's probably still watching Hello message to say that she
- 36:52Speaker 4: thought that you would probably look like we will dress
- 36:54Speaker 4: up as Hugh Hefner in school.
- 36:57Speaker 5: I can see that, though I'm to see that.
- 37:01Speaker 3: I don't want to see that. I don't want to
- 37:02Speaker 3: see that.
- 37:03Speaker 4: No, but I feel like it would suit Caleb because
- 37:05Speaker 4: he's got like.
- 37:07Speaker 5: He's got the CAB's got like cute little old man
- 37:10Speaker 5: vibes and a young body. Of course is yeah, I'm.
- 37:12Speaker 1: Not sure I would have done that for book week,
- 37:14Speaker 1: but if you'd like to see it, if you happen
- 37:16Speaker 1: to be on the bow main Faery coming into more
- 37:19Speaker 1: about eleven am most mornings, you may well see me
- 37:21Speaker 1: on my balcony and exactly that.
- 37:25Speaker 5: Let's take it.
- 37:26Speaker 3: Don't count the vie.
- 37:28Speaker 1: With the coffee and the cats and yeah, anyway.
- 37:31Speaker 5: You've got something on underneath.
- 37:33Speaker 3: You're really telling yourself.
- 37:34Speaker 1: Let's let's take a look at the papers shell with
- 37:36Speaker 1: what's on the front of.
- 37:37Speaker 4: The Yes, Harold's son not good for the AFL again.
- 37:39Speaker 4: Tiger's slapped shock is the headline. Richmond Footballers have re
- 37:43Speaker 4: enacted alleged scenes in the Sydney Swan sexual assault scandal
- 37:47Speaker 4: during a raucious Mad Monday celebration at a pub in
- 37:50Speaker 4: gipps Land.
- 37:51Speaker 5: Here was the report this evening, just a.
- 37:55Speaker 7: Week after five Swans players plunge the league into crisis.
- 38:00Speaker 7: Seven News has obtained vision of the Richmond Football Club's
- 38:04Speaker 7: Mad Monday celebrations in Garfield, a small country town southeast
- 38:09Speaker 7: of Melbourne. In the footage, you can see players whipping
- 38:13Speaker 7: each other.
- 38:15Speaker 4: Come on, it's Mad Monday. They're boys, like, let them
- 38:20Speaker 4: have fun. I just I don't know why this is now.
- 38:24Speaker 4: You know everyone's outraged. Oh how dare Come on? They're
- 38:28Speaker 4: boys having fun? Yeah, leave it alone.
- 38:30Speaker 3: We also don't know what they were doing. We don't like,
- 38:33Speaker 3: there's no verification. They're out having a good time.
- 38:36Speaker 2: Can we just like calm it down, dull the rhetoric
- 38:39Speaker 2: back just slightly, just a little bit.
- 38:40Speaker 1: I think you could apply that to this entire case,
- 38:44Speaker 1: perfectly honest.
- 38:45Speaker 5: Also the front page, they're runaway train.
- 38:48Speaker 4: Thirty five billion dollar SRL albatross premier rejects pushed a
- 38:52Speaker 4: scrap project, hoping to placate angry voters with a two
- 38:56Speaker 4: billion dollar scale back.
- 38:57Speaker 5: Ben Carroll has.
- 38:57Speaker 4: Rejected pleas to walk away from thirty four point five
- 39:01Speaker 4: billion dollar suburban rail loop first stage, instead hopping to
- 39:05Speaker 4: hoping to call back rather two billion dollars on the
- 39:08Speaker 4: Monster project. The Premiere will on Tuesday detail his plan
- 39:11Speaker 4: to scale back the SRL East from Cheltenham to box
- 39:15Speaker 4: Hill in a desperate bid to placate skeptical voters. I mean,
- 39:20Speaker 4: this has been the most disastrous scheme and Labor does
- 39:26Speaker 4: not know how to do infrastructure for but this is
- 39:29Speaker 4: a shocker again and now another extension here, there and everywhere.
- 39:34Speaker 2: I don't think it matters. They won't be in power
- 39:36Speaker 2: for much longer.
- 39:36Speaker 3: Let's hope, right, Come on, Victoria, get it right?
- 39:39Speaker 1: Oh, save two billions in Victoria that had probably last
- 39:44Speaker 1: you bet two minutes on the front of the Australian tomorrow.
- 39:47Speaker 1: I can't believe it. We're on a one hundred days
- 39:50Speaker 1: post the budget for budget, can you believe? And here
- 39:53Speaker 1: we are Labour's still super Tex. It keeps on coming.
- 39:57Speaker 1: A new text on superinnuation has been just governed amongst
- 40:00Speaker 1: Labour's capital gains rules that will hit an estimated three
- 40:04Speaker 1: hundred and seventy two billion dollars worth of assets, promptly
- 40:07Speaker 1: one of the biggest super funds in the country to
- 40:09Speaker 1: demand a rethink, labeling it a higher tax on retirement.
- 40:14Speaker 1: Labour's new rules in the May budget restricting how Managed
- 40:16Speaker 1: interest Investment I should say trusts can offset capital gains
- 40:21Speaker 1: and losses would mean potentially millions of Australians whose super
- 40:25Speaker 1: funds have investments in such vehicles will end up paying
- 40:28Speaker 1: an estimated additional tax bill of fifty five million dollars
- 40:33Speaker 1: in aggregate. A year analysis from the Financial Services Council
- 40:37Speaker 1: shows Jim Chalmers and at the alban Easy have repeatedly
- 40:40Speaker 1: said the tax changes in the budget would not hit superannuation,
- 40:44Speaker 1: saying they would defend the supersystem with our last breath
- 40:48Speaker 1: and the next election was shaping up as a referendum
- 40:52Speaker 1: on superannuation.
- 40:54Speaker 3: They love attacks, they love attacks.
- 40:57Speaker 1: It just doesn't stop, does it. Finding little loophole or
- 41:01Speaker 1: something in this budget every.
- 41:03Speaker 4: Fu Yep, Yeah, they're on this loop. It's not this
- 41:06Speaker 4: rat race at the moment. And you get a tax.
- 41:08Speaker 4: Everyone gets taxed some way somehow.
- 41:10Speaker 3: We're just going to tax tax, yeah, just tax it
- 41:12Speaker 3: all doing.
- 41:14Speaker 1: Find it where's kind some degrees.
- 41:18Speaker 2: Yeah, heading to the Daily Telegraph and it's of course
- 41:21Speaker 2: the focus is the Bush Summit. So thirsty world country
- 41:25Speaker 2: water buybacks ripping soul out of bush towns, farms, communities
- 41:30Speaker 2: and businesses in Australia's food ball are dying of thirst
- 41:35Speaker 2: in what has been labeled a man made drought caused
- 41:38Speaker 2: by the Albanese government's major buy back of water for
- 41:42Speaker 2: environmental flows. I mean, this has been a real issue
- 41:47Speaker 2: for a lot of these regional areas and it's good
- 41:52Speaker 2: that it's now coming to it's getting a little bit
- 41:54Speaker 2: more of the eyes on it as well, I think.
- 41:57Speaker 4: Yeah, and a couple of issues there with the Bush Summit,
- 41:59Speaker 4: the rural health, absolute crisis, childcare fight, killing towns and
- 42:03Speaker 4: the grilling life of hardy shearers all going to be discussed,
- 42:07Speaker 4: of course at the Bush Summit.
- 42:10Speaker 1: I get environmental barbacks to some degree. I think there
- 42:15Speaker 1: is a balance that needs to be struck here, and
- 42:18Speaker 1: the balance would seem to be out of whack. I mean,
- 42:20Speaker 1: you don't want to see a situation where the rivers
- 42:22Speaker 1: are running dry because we've taken all of the water
- 42:24Speaker 1: out of them. But you've also got to acknowledge that
- 42:26Speaker 1: people have to earn a dollar, of course, and they
- 42:28Speaker 1: need to feed the country and do all the things
- 42:30Speaker 1: to keep this joint moving. And if you take the
- 42:33Speaker 1: water away, that makes it happen. We kin'd of know
- 42:35Speaker 1: where we're going to end up.
- 42:36Speaker 2: And this water issue has been a real battleground for
- 42:40Speaker 2: everyone out in the bush.
- 42:42Speaker 5: Yeah. Absolutely, Gold Coast bulletin. Now this is a very
- 42:45Speaker 5: cute one. Oh look at the front page. Everyone.
- 42:48Speaker 4: It's Mazy and Milo. These two are emotional support kavoodles.
- 42:53Speaker 4: They are the two of them maze and is that Malesy?
- 42:57Speaker 4: Maybe maybe it's Malesy.
- 42:58Speaker 5: In my life, I think it's Mazyz.
- 43:00Speaker 4: They've come to school with Emmanuel College Principal Dan Brown.
- 43:03Speaker 4: Each day they're therapy dogs, giving students reprieve.
- 43:09Speaker 5: Look at them all little teddies. Don't you think they're cute? O?
- 43:12Speaker 2: My god, that just looks like every other dog in
- 43:14Speaker 2: Sydney's East Everyone.
- 43:17Speaker 4: I wouldn't be able to concentrate at school, to be honest,
- 43:19Speaker 4: if these two were in the class.
- 43:20Speaker 1: Here's the bloody problem. I mean you're talking earlier about
- 43:23Speaker 1: all the kids are gone soft for goodness sake, giving
- 43:26Speaker 1: them poppies at the kids. Puppies at school? How did
- 43:31Speaker 1: we all get through school without dogs being supplied?
- 43:35Speaker 4: But this is just But if Mazie and Milo were
- 43:38Speaker 4: looking at you, Okay, I.
- 43:40Speaker 5: Know you're at a dog.
- 43:44Speaker 1: You're at school to do school work. You're at school
- 43:47Speaker 1: to do three things. If you're a boy, you're at
- 43:50Speaker 1: school to do your school work. You know, to go
- 43:53Speaker 1: after girls and get into a bit of mar I
- 43:58Speaker 1: mean have to. Oh, come on, you're telling me that
- 44:03Speaker 1: in high school you weren't chasing after boys.
- 44:06Speaker 3: Come on, I was not chasing after boys. They were
- 44:09Speaker 3: chasing after.
- 44:09Speaker 1: Well he's proving my point. But but seriously, we didn't
- 44:15Speaker 1: need dogs to get through snow goodness.
- 44:19Speaker 5: But still, if it was cats, love it.
- 44:22Speaker 1: No, Seriously, cats are for at home. Scarm my god,
- 44:26Speaker 1: it's the next thing. They're going to have dogs at
- 44:29Speaker 1: News twenty four say a late.
- 44:32Speaker 3: Debate dog, just a late debate puppy.
- 44:36Speaker 1: On the front of the Mercury Tomorrow Dinner. Tas made
- 44:38Speaker 1: a botched rollout. It is a new generative AI pilot
- 44:43Speaker 1: program being rolled out by the States Education Department has
- 44:46Speaker 1: sparked outrage from participating students. A fair enough I reckon too.
- 44:50Speaker 1: I mean, AI is just being pumped into everything, and
- 44:54Speaker 1: I get the argument that it's sort of here and
- 44:56Speaker 1: you can't avoid it now, and so to some degree
- 44:58Speaker 1: it's going to have to be part of it, cation
- 45:00Speaker 1: in the workplace and all the other stuff. But why
- 45:04Speaker 1: we kids are at school to learn No, apparently now
- 45:06Speaker 1: they're at school to use AI bots and pat dogs.
- 45:09Speaker 4: I'm actually surprised that kids protested against them. I would
- 45:11Speaker 4: have thought they would have gone this is a much
- 45:13Speaker 4: more helpful tool for the classroo.
- 45:14Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really interesting because my son is in high
- 45:17Speaker 2: school at the moment, and you know, the kids are
- 45:20Speaker 2: using AI more and more and more, and I ask
- 45:22Speaker 2: him all the time. I'm like, do you use AI?
- 45:25Speaker 2: And he is adamant that he doesn't. But you know,
- 45:27Speaker 2: I really stress about their neural pathways and whether anything
- 45:30Speaker 2: is being formed at the moment because they are cheating
- 45:32Speaker 2: on everything.
- 45:33Speaker 1: Yeah, indeed, hopefully not their boyfriends or girlfriends after the.
- 45:36Speaker 3: Break in school theme at the moment after.
- 45:42Speaker 1: The break, how did a barkie get himself into trouble?
- 45:45Speaker 1: Not in the way you would suspect. Don't go away.
- 45:52Speaker 5: Now.
- 45:52Speaker 1: Look, life is probably hard enough if you're a bikie.
- 45:55Speaker 1: I'd argue it's self inflicted. But maybe you shouldn't do
- 45:58Speaker 1: things to make life hard. And that's why this chap
- 46:01Speaker 1: is our don't took the day. It'd be fair to him.
- 46:10Speaker 1: Maybe he didn't realize he was doing something potentially outside
- 46:15Speaker 1: the bounds of the law. I wouldn't have thought about
- 46:18Speaker 1: it either, but I would say word to the wise.
- 46:21Speaker 1: If you're a member of an outlaw motorcycle gang like
- 46:24Speaker 1: this fellow in South Australia, and you pick up something
- 46:28Speaker 1: that looks like a gun, you may come a cropper.
- 46:32Speaker 6: Seven News has obtained this video showing the accused trying
- 46:37Speaker 6: his luck at what is a very popular Side Joe
- 46:40Speaker 6: Ali game. Police say the accused commentary, bike is not
- 46:43Speaker 6: allowed to play because handling an air rifle, even in
- 46:47Speaker 6: a game like this, is allegedly in breach of his
- 46:50Speaker 6: firearms prohibition order.
- 46:53Speaker 5: Ah believe it.
- 46:56Speaker 1: Hamakerhaps gone down to play aside there, and now he's
- 47:02Speaker 1: in trouble with the cops because he might have broken
- 47:04Speaker 1: his firearms border.
- 47:06Speaker 5: I mean, like fair enough though, to be honest.
- 47:08Speaker 1: I mean, look, you know the rules of the rules,
- 47:10Speaker 1: that's right, but it does him little heavy handed. Maybe
- 47:14Speaker 1: you would you have thought of that? Look, maybe don't
- 47:16Speaker 1: breaking in the first you would you have thought of that?
- 47:18Speaker 2: No, No, I would not have thought of that. But
- 47:20Speaker 2: I also think it does make sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
- 47:24Speaker 2: Now moving on because these two guys are my favorite
- 47:26Speaker 2: thing to happen this week.
- 47:28Speaker 3: Two guys that were in their ding.
- 47:30Speaker 2: They're in their boat on the New Southwest South Coast
- 47:32Speaker 2: in Ala dullah when some sharks were circling, and then
- 47:35Speaker 2: they decided to explain what happened to weekend today in
- 47:40Speaker 2: the truest of Australian style.
- 47:43Speaker 5: I was like a chameleon in a bag skittles.
- 47:45Speaker 3: I didn't really know what to think.
- 47:49Speaker 5: Yeah, what was that chameleon in a bag of skills? Okay,
- 47:52Speaker 5: it's a bit of a code brown for Nathan.
- 47:56Speaker 4: Yeah, once you showed up, we're out like a fart
- 47:58Speaker 4: in the hurricane.
- 48:01Speaker 3: I kind of hear everything right there.
- 48:04Speaker 2: But a chameleon in the bag of skittles I've never
- 48:06Speaker 2: heard before.
- 48:06Speaker 3: That is when I've not heard the other two.
- 48:08Speaker 5: I have never heard of that one.
- 48:10Speaker 4: We might have to trot that one out on the
- 48:11Speaker 4: late debate, but the back trotted out of the late debate.
- 48:15Speaker 5: You can get it in as many times, what do
- 48:17Speaker 5: you reckon?
- 48:18Speaker 1: I don't how many times you're going to get it inderneath,
- 48:20Speaker 1: but anyway, go on.
- 48:21Speaker 4: I'm just going to move right off because it's absolutely
- 48:25Speaker 4: going haywire already.
- 48:26Speaker 5: Now.
- 48:27Speaker 4: Look, cricket fever is dominating the top end at the
- 48:29Speaker 4: moment with the.
- 48:30Speaker 5: Top end series.
- 48:31Speaker 4: But have a look at this Nepole star who stole
- 48:34Speaker 4: the show on the opening night with an incredible catch
- 48:38Speaker 4: that left commentators absolutely stunned to have a look at
- 48:40Speaker 4: this ready, and this is in slow mo.
- 48:43Speaker 5: Woa Bee's so good. What do you reckon?
- 48:49Speaker 4: That's that's absolutely His name is trit Raj Dazz trip
- 48:56Speaker 4: Raj Jazz.
- 48:57Speaker 5: So there you go, he's gone viral for it.
- 48:58Speaker 1: You know what we need to get at him on
- 49:00Speaker 1: board with the Australian team because I don't look. You know,
- 49:03Speaker 1: we did, to be fair, we did win the Test
- 49:05Speaker 1: match in Mackay on the weekend, but another two day test.
- 49:09Speaker 1: The batting was absolutely appalling. The bowling was the only
- 49:13Speaker 1: thing that saved us. You know, maybe getting him on
- 49:15Speaker 1: board couldn't be the worst thing.
- 49:17Speaker 5: We could do.
- 49:17Speaker 3: I agree, give him the call up.
- 49:19Speaker 1: That's involved, thank you so much for watching tonight. We'll
- 49:22Speaker 1: be back tomorrow. Of course. Here's the Red Pane he show.
- 49:25Speaker 1: Good Night,