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Rocky Horror Changed my Life · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 1: Hello, this is actor Michael Gross, and you're listening to
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  Speaker 1: Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 2: This episode is rated M for Misty. Yes, that's right,
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  Speaker 2: this is a Misty episode, so it will be laced
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  Speaker 2: with profanity even more than usual. If you're not comfortable
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  Speaker 2: from that do not feature Misty, and will probably be
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  Speaker 2: far less offensive. Okay, maybe. That having been said, on
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  Speaker 3: It's showtime, folks.
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  Speaker 5: Provide more cooling in the containment chamber.
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  Speaker 3: You did what?
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  Speaker 6: I got stoned. You should have stoned God, I got stoned.
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  Speaker 1: She took her top off, she played with her bottom.
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  Speaker 7: You did what?
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  Speaker 8: I did what?
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  Speaker 7: It was incredible. It was more than incredible, it was fun.
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  Speaker 6: I always felt naked when people looked at me before.
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  Speaker 7: But those people weren't looking at me.
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  Speaker 6: They were looking at someone.
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  Speaker 2: I put on, like a costume.
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  Speaker 6: What's up? Welcome to Movie Meltdown. I'm Brian.
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  Speaker 7: I'm Misty. Is that way too perky?
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  Speaker 6: That's unusual for you, actually. What's up with that?
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  Speaker 7: I'm getting hungry and it brings out the crazies.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, you're getting kind of slap happy at this point.
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  Speaker 7: I know, right?
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  Speaker 6: You're all excited and happy. So anyway, this is a
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  Speaker 6: special episode. We're going to get... Like Sherba special? Well,
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  Speaker 6: I mean, we're on it. We're on it, so obviously, yes.
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  Speaker 7: Velcro shoes.
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  Speaker 6: But this one, we're focusing on the movie. Not that
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  Speaker 6: we don't do that quite often, but I figure with
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  Speaker 6: this one, we'll just kind of roll right into it
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  Speaker 6: because we have to get our intro with you, Misty.
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  Speaker 7: Me!
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  Speaker 6: Because you, as I found out, you know, from our
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  Speaker 6: guest this week, we're going to be talking about this movie,
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  Speaker 6: and I was like, well, okay, we need to sit
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  Speaker 6: down with Misty because if anybody has Rocky Horror Memories,
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  Speaker 6: it's Misty.
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  Speaker 7: Oh my gosh, I spent at least I guess not
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  Speaker 7: as long as so many people. I spent at least, what,
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  Speaker 7: I'd say three years, like, regularly going to Rocky at
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  Speaker 7: the Vogue.
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  Speaker 6: Probably.
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  Speaker 7: I was never, like, involved or in it, but I
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  Speaker 7: was friends with people who were involved in it. So,
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  Speaker 7: it's like every, I don't know if it was every Saturday, but, like,
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  Speaker 7: once a month.
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  Speaker 6: Well, I mean, it depends on how far back you go.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, if it's Vogue, it was, like, it got
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  Speaker 6: to be every week, basically. Originally, it was, like, every
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  Speaker 6: other week, I think.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: And then they started trying to, I think eventually it
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  Speaker 6: just got a good enough fan base that pretty much
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  Speaker 6: every week they were trying to do it.
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  Speaker 7: In my head, sometimes it was like once a month,
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  Speaker 7: sometimes it was twice a month.
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  Speaker 6: Once we lost the good theater, it did become a struggle.
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  Speaker 6: And then it really was different places and not near
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  Speaker 6: as often.
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  Speaker 7: Because at the time I was like at least 15,
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  Speaker 7: if not 14. I was, you know, midnight.
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  Speaker 6: It explains why you've turned out the way you have.
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  Speaker 7: Reasonably well adjusted.
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  Speaker 6: Is that what we're calling this?
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  Speaker 9: Yes.
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  Speaker 7: I'm pretty okay. But anyways, so yeah, that would be
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  Speaker 7: like a lot of my Saturdays of my childhood. Not
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  Speaker 7: really childhood, I guess. Young teens and formative years were spent.
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  Speaker 6: Formative years.
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  Speaker 7: Hanging out with people in their underbridges.
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  Speaker 6: That does say a lot about you.
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  Speaker 7: And yelling obscenities at other people. But yeah, I was
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  Speaker 7: so heartbroken when the Vogue closed. I literally left school
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  Speaker 7: because I'd heard about it on my way home. I
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  Speaker 7: think I was a senior in high school because I
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  Speaker 7: only had one class a day because I was a slacker.
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  Speaker 7: But yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Ah, the American school system.
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  Speaker 7: Oh, hey, I was fucking working a job at that time.
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  Speaker 6: I know. Truthfully, I kind of wish we'd go with
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  Speaker 6: that and quit doing so much ridiculous schooling. Just have
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  Speaker 6: people like pick a thing and learn how to do
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  Speaker 6: that and go get a job and not spend four
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  Speaker 6: to eight years working for a degree that then you
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  Speaker 6: get out and you can't use for anything. So at
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  Speaker 6: least let's find a better way that like streamlines people
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  Speaker 6: into actual jobs. But anyway, that's my sidebar.
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  Speaker 7: But anyway, so yeah, I heard about it on the
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  Speaker 7: way to, because I was going to school and I
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  Speaker 7: heard that they had like a news, like a news
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  Speaker 7: thing on the radio and I was like, what? They
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  Speaker 7: can't close the vote. So it's like, I'm sitting there
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  Speaker 7: and I'm like in class and I'm like, the more
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  Speaker 7: I'm thinking about it, I'm just like freaking out.
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  Speaker 6: Like, this is sick.
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  Speaker 7: You're a teenager everything is the end of the.
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  Speaker 6: World that one kind of was in a lot of
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  Speaker 6: ways for a lot of movie fans and again if
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  Speaker 6: you're not from our town which most of you aren't
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  Speaker 6: uh the vogue is you know i'm sure there's several
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  Speaker 6: vogues out there in the world but this one was
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  Speaker 6: like a good i mean close to 100 years old
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  Speaker 6: it was probably in at least in the 20s i've
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  Speaker 6: seen pictures in like you know 20s and 30s of
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  Speaker 6: it so yeah they built this classic era like full-on
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  Speaker 6: gorgeous theater and like it had been running and been
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  Speaker 6: sort of the art house theater for the whole city.
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  Speaker 6: And like it had schedules mapped out of all these cool,
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  Speaker 6: like it would be where Spike and Mike would play.
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  Speaker 6: And it would be where the weird indie movies would play.
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  Speaker 6: And of course it was where Rocky ended up.
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  Speaker 7: I saw your friends and neighbors there. I fucking hated
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  Speaker 7: that movie.
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  Speaker 6: That was towards the end.
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  Speaker 7: Sammy drove me there.
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  Speaker 6: That killed it, I believe.
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  Speaker 7: I think Sammy took me there. I think I saw
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  Speaker 7: Pi there as well.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I saw Pi there. But actually it was Full
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  Speaker 6: Monty killed it. If I believe the story that like
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  Speaker 6: Dave and Bo have told us, it's it's it may.
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  Speaker 6: And it's because it was successful. It made so much
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  Speaker 6: money that they kept it there instead of like they
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  Speaker 6: used to every week or two. Again, people can't imagine
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  Speaker 6: not a multiplex. This had one screen. I mean, like
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  Speaker 6: kids out there try to imagine this. It had one screen.
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  Speaker 7: Crazy, I know. And no arcade.
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  Speaker 6: They would map out the schedule, and it would be
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  Speaker 6: the movie. Or they would change out. There might be
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  Speaker 6: an early weird arthouse movie in the afternoon, and then
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  Speaker 6: at night it would be whatever the big movie is
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  Speaker 6: at the time. But Full Monty made so much money
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  Speaker 6: and got so popular as a weird semi-indie kind of
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  Speaker 6: thing that they kept it there for almost a year.
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  Speaker 6: And so then it was the Full Monty Theater, and
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  Speaker 6: people just stopped going to it. Except, I guess, occasionally
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  Speaker 6: the Rocky kids. But like all the other people in
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  Speaker 6: town started migrating to the new semi-recently opened multiplex kind
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  Speaker 6: of theater that was pulling in some arthouse features. So
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  Speaker 6: it's kind of what killed the business there.
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  Speaker 7: Actually, you can thank the Vogue for being my friend.
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  Speaker 7: Because if I had never gone to the Vogue, I
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  Speaker 7: never would have met Sammy, who I never would have
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  Speaker 7: met you.
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  Speaker 6: I was thinking that the other day. Indirectly is the
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  Speaker 6: reason we've done this all these years. All this yammering
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  Speaker 6: on that we've done for years and years and years. So,
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  Speaker 6: of all the people I've known for most of my life,
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  Speaker 6: it's indirectly the Vogue's fault.
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  Speaker 7: The Vogue's fault.
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  Speaker 6: It's the Vogue's fault that I know you.
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  Speaker 7: I know, because I'm awesome. But yeah, so I left
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  Speaker 7: English class in the middle of the... I forget. I
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  Speaker 7: just left in the middle of it, crying. And as
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  Speaker 7: soon as I got back, I had to call Sammy.
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  Speaker 7: I'm like, what's going on? And then I had to
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  Speaker 7: drive to the Vogue to see it myself. Because they
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  Speaker 7: had the whole marquee up there with the clothes, thanks
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  Speaker 7: for all the whatever. And I'm just like, I'm sitting
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  Speaker 7: in the parking lot crying like a goddamn baby.
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  Speaker 10: It was.
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  Speaker 7: That was a big part. When you're a kid, everything
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  Speaker 7: is the end of the world. That was such a
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  Speaker 7: big part.
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  Speaker 6: Again, I can firsthand tell you all these different movie
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  Speaker 6: fans in town that it really made a difference. A
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  Speaker 6: few of them, you may have heard on this show,
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  Speaker 6: haven't really recovered from it. Nothing took that place in
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  Speaker 6: their heart. Movie watching isn't the same without that theater.
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  Speaker 6: It really was a big deal that I think people
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  Speaker 6: don't realize now. We're all used to you know, streaming
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  Speaker 6: movies and not even going to the theaters or going
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  Speaker 6: to the multiplex to see whatever.
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  Speaker 7: It wasn't even just going to the theater. It was
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  Speaker 7: a fucking experience.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Which, I mean, that's just, we're moving into Rocky. So,
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  Speaker 6: I mean, yeah, we can do a whole nother thing
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  Speaker 6: on just theaters closing, but like Rocky was its own experience.
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  Speaker 7: They turned it into a fucking shoe store.
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  Speaker 6: That's the sad part of it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: They bulldozed the hand, 90% of it and turned the front,
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  Speaker 6: piece into a facade that is now a shoe store.
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  Speaker 7: A Birkenstock shoe store for real.
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  Speaker 6: I try not to look at it now. It makes
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  Speaker 6: my heart hurt. It's terrible.
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  Speaker 7: I still have Polaroids. I had my camera in the
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  Speaker 7: car when I went to look at it and that's
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  Speaker 7: why I have Polaroids of the sign.
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  Speaker 6: Sad. So sad. So what about the experience itself though?
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  Speaker 6: Aside from the sad end of it, you know, you
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  Speaker 6: spent a lot of Saturday nights there.
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  Speaker 7: It was a glorious Very, very, it was life, you know?
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  Speaker 7: It's like I was never part of it, but it
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  Speaker 7: made you part of something, you know? Even if you
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  Speaker 7: weren't part of it, you were still there, and it was.
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  Speaker 6: It was a group collective thing. It was, yeah, it
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  Speaker 6: was an experience. No matter where you were in the building,
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  Speaker 6: you were kind of part of it. Even if you
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  Speaker 6: weren't on stage, you were part of it. Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: I never got called on stage. I avoided that whole
• 9:27
  Speaker 7: diversion thing, you know? But now boyfriend's sad because he
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  Speaker 7: can't really, you know, He can't take his kid to that.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: But yeah, it's like that was just.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, I guess he could drive to another city. Again,
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  Speaker 6: there really isn't a good version of it now. But it's,
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  Speaker 6: I don't know. I hope that there are still people
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  Speaker 6: doing that, you know, that are still having that experience
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  Speaker 6: and bonding.
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  Speaker 7: Or is that gone, you know?
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  Speaker 6: I don't know. I guess we need to find more
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  Speaker 6: people that are still doing it. Because, yeah, it kind
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  Speaker 6: of slowly, they kept trying to. do it at a
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  Speaker 6: new theater and then it got bounced to a theater,
• 10:03
  Speaker 6: you know, like an actual live theater group had it
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  Speaker 6: for a while. Sterling was doing them for a while.
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  Speaker 6: So I don't know. It's been through a lot of
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  Speaker 6: different things in our town. So it'll be interesting to,
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  Speaker 6: I don't know, run across some other people in other
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  Speaker 6: cities that may still have an active scene. But I
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  Speaker 6: don't know. It was interesting. and experience being immersed in it.
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  Speaker 7: I thought that's where my friends were. You know, it's
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  Speaker 7: like when I was in school, I didn't have that
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  Speaker 7: many friends. I was, by the time I was 16, 17,
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  Speaker 7: my friends were like 27, you know, you know, how
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  Speaker 7: bright are you were, you know, later twenties, Sammy was
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  Speaker 7: mid twenties. It's like my friends that I didn't hang
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  Speaker 7: out with when I was a senior in high school,
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  Speaker 7: I wasn't hanging out with seniors in high school, you know?
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  Speaker 7: Maybe that's just me, apparently.
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  Speaker 6: You were that weird kid.
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  Speaker 7: I was that weird kid.
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  Speaker 6: Hanging out with the bad older kids.
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  Speaker 7: I know, right?
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  Speaker 6: Although, we weren't, like, drinking and smoking. We were dorks
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  Speaker 6: that were watching movies in Sam's room. What was that room?
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  Speaker 7: The den area. Not really a den. A side room.
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  Speaker 6: A side room. Hanging out in here, watching, like, Twin Peaks.
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  Speaker 7: With coffee.
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  Speaker 6: Drinking coffee. I hate coffee. Hanging out at Rocky. Like,
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  Speaker 6: that's the dorkiest thing we did. We really weren't that bad. Well,
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  Speaker 6: I guess mentally. Maybe we were a bad influence.
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  Speaker 9: But.
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  Speaker 7: But because of Rocky, this is why we're here today.
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  Speaker 6: It's what made it all come together.
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  Speaker 7: Also sappy now, I'm gonna cry.
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  Speaker 6: But anyway, I thought you had that experience. And more so,
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  Speaker 6: I think it's also different depending on how young, because
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  Speaker 6: I came into it a little later too, so I
• 11:36
  Speaker 6: don't think I had the growing up version of it.
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  Speaker 6: I still don't have any friends.
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  Speaker 2: Part of it.
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  Speaker 7: Like I said, I was from maybe 14 to.
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  Speaker 7: See, it closed, I was a senior, so it was
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  Speaker 7: probably 98 or 97, or 98 or 99. I graduated
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  Speaker 7: in 99, how fucking old I am. So I was,
• 11:58
  Speaker 7: I said I was a senior, so it was either
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  Speaker 7: 98 or 99. So from the time I was 14 to.
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  Speaker 6: 18-ish, you know.
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  Speaker 7: So, all the Saturday nights there, getting abandoned because my
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  Speaker 7: ride left me there. Good times.
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  Speaker 6: I think those are more of the stories that you're
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  Speaker 6: going to have is like all the other craziness. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: because you get used to the way the movie itself
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  Speaker 6: goes and the production goes. So then everybody kind of
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  Speaker 6: had their thing that they did while they were there.
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  Speaker 6: It just became a hangout. So like in ours, you
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  Speaker 6: had like the people that you talk to and you'd have, oh,
• 12:32
  Speaker 6: at this point, we all go hit the bathroom. At
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  Speaker 6: this point, we all go hang out in the parking
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  Speaker 6: lot and smoke.
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  Speaker 7: And we all go to Waffle House.
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  Speaker 6: And then everybody goes to Waffle House.
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  Speaker 7: And then we tell you. At 3 o'clock in the morning,
• 12:43
  Speaker 7: they will not serve you mashed potatoes. I'm still pissed.
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  Speaker 6: And that would be you would be the one looking
• 12:48
  Speaker 6: for mashed potatoes at 3 in the morning.
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  Speaker 7: There is never a bad time for mashed potatoes.
• 12:52
  Speaker 6: You kind of got a point there.
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  Speaker 7: They will serve you pie, though.
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  Speaker 6: That's good.
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  Speaker 7: But not mashed potatoes.
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  Speaker 6: There's always a good time for pie.
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  Speaker 7: No shit. It was Patty who left me there. Patty
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  Speaker 7: and Amanda. I think her name was Amanda. Patty the
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  Speaker 7: trainee and her girlfriend. They left me there. I was
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  Speaker 7: so mad. Then Sammy gave me a ride. After I'd
• 13:06
  Speaker 7: already called my grandma. So I saw my grandma drive
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  Speaker 7: by twice. She didn't stop.
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  Speaker 9: So....
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  Speaker 7: Sammy gave me a ride home. And as soon as
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  Speaker 7: I walk in the door, it's my grandma calling me
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  Speaker 7: from a pay phone. Was it Frankfurt? Because she had
• 13:18
  Speaker 7: called me from the Vogue. She's like, where are you?
• 13:20
  Speaker 7: I'm like, I'm home.
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  Speaker 6: You passed me twice.
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  Speaker 7: I'm not going to fucking wait there all night, you know.
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  Speaker 7: And then she saw Sammy. She's like, I would have
• 13:27
  Speaker 7: left me there, too.
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  Speaker 6: Grandma trying to get y'all hooked up.
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  Speaker 7: I was like, yeah, he's cute, girl. I would have
• 13:36
  Speaker 7: gone with him, too.
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  Speaker 6: Your grandmother's pretty damn cool.
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  Speaker 7: She was the best. I miss her. See, I even
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  Speaker 7: dragged her into my Rocky lifestyle.
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  Speaker 6: There you go.
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  Speaker 7: By dragging her out of her house at 2.30 in
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  Speaker 7: the morning.
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  Speaker 6: Come get her wayward grandchild out roaming the streets with
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  Speaker 6: kids in their underwear.
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  Speaker 7: I didn't have a license at that point. There was
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  Speaker 7: nobody else there. I was the only person standing out
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  Speaker 7: there at that point because everybody had already left. It
• 14:01
  Speaker 7: was a special event, too, because they were all inside partying,
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  Speaker 7: so Sammy came out probably slightly intoxicated.
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  Speaker 6: Probably not.
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  Speaker 1: Well, maybe.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know. It depends at that point. He's not
• 14:13
  Speaker 6: a heavy drinker.
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  Speaker 7: That's why I said slightly. I didn't say like tanked
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  Speaker 7: out of his mind or anything. Good times.
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  Speaker 6: Thought they were.
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  Speaker 7: I missed that place. All right. Now that I'm all
• 14:29
  Speaker 7: sad and melancholy.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, this brings up those kind of stories and emotions.
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  Speaker 6: Unless there are any other crazy stories.
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  Speaker 7: No, I don't think so. I had a boyfriend once
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  Speaker 7: that I met there. I only called him by his
• 14:43
  Speaker 7: last name, which really kind of pissed him off. Everybody
• 14:46
  Speaker 7: called him by his last name, so I'm like, why
• 14:47
  Speaker 7: the fuck am I calling you anything different? He's like, well,
• 14:49
  Speaker 7: it's different. I'm like, why is it any different?
• 14:52
  Speaker 6: You're already pissing off your boyfriend. This does sound like it.
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  Speaker 7: That was a long time ago. He dumped me for
• 14:59
  Speaker 7: a girl named Tatiana, so fuck them both.
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  Speaker 9: Oh.
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  Speaker 6: That seems like it's going to go badly anyway.
• 15:06
  Speaker 7: Oh, shit.
• 15:07
  Speaker 6: Those Tatianas, you got to watch out.
• 15:08
  Speaker 7: They're fucking crazy, all of them.
• 15:09
  Speaker 6: They're crazy. All right, well, now we can take our
• 15:16
  Speaker 6: break here and come back and get into the movie
• 15:19
  Speaker 6: for real.
• 15:19
  Speaker 7: Now that I've offended everybody named Tatiana who listens.
• 15:22
  Speaker 6: I know at least one that's crazy. I can vouch
• 15:25
  Speaker 6: for one crazy one. The rest, well, you got to
• 15:28
  Speaker 6: decide for yourself. All right, we'll be back.
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  Speaker 11: Michael Reddy was there, the day the earth stood still,
• 15:42
  Speaker 11: but he told us where we stand. Flash Gordon was
• 15:46
  Speaker 11: there in silver underwear, Claude Rains was the invisible man.
• 15:50
  Speaker 11: And something went wrong with Ray and King Kong.
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: They got caught in a cellular jam.
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  Speaker 6: And had a.
• 15:56
  Speaker 11: Deadly case that came from outer space, and this is
• 15:59
  Speaker 11: how the message ran. Outro Music.
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  Speaker 7: Sure, it looks good, and it tastes even better.
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  Speaker 3: The Rocky Horror Picture Show is a must for all
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  Speaker 3: of you. If you don't go and see it, I
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: shall personally come around to your houses and drag you
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: out by the scruff of the neck. I shall belt
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: you around the mouth and mouth you around the belt.
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  Speaker 5: Do you understand what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 6: Hey, this is Pat Healy, and you're listening to Movie Meltdown.
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: This is part of your.
• 18:49
  Speaker 12: Problem, you know.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: You haven't seen enough movies.
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: All of life's riddles are answered in the movies.
• 18:54
  Speaker 10: Now, on with the show.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: It's time for Sofa Theater.
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  Speaker 9: You've seen all kinds of movies, but you've never seen
• 19:08
  Speaker 9: anything like the Rocky Horror Picture Show.
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: They're probably foreigners with ways different than our own.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: I'm just a sweet transvestite.
• 19:23
  Speaker 9: See the Rocky Horror Picture Show. A different set of jaws.
• 19:27
  Speaker 9: Rated R.
• 19:28
  Speaker 6: I've got one thing to say. One, two, three, four.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: The river is deep and I swim in. The pictures
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: are so explaining.
• 19:35
  Speaker 6: So please don't.
• 19:37
  Speaker 8: Tell me to get in.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: I have one thing to say and that's damn it, Janet.
• 19:42
  Speaker 9: I love you.
• 19:42
  Speaker 7: The road was long but I've read it.
• 19:45
  Speaker 6: There's a light in my.
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: Heart and you've met it.
• 19:47
  Speaker 6: And there's more to you than I've had it.
• 19:50
  Speaker 7: I have one thing to say and that's, damn it, Janet,
• 19:54
  Speaker 7: I love you.
• 20:00
  Speaker 6: All right, so we are back, and now we have
• 20:02
  Speaker 6: been joined by a special guest, Epion5.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: Hello.
• 20:04
  Speaker 6: Do you still want to be addressed as that?
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Epion5. Some people just call me E5 now, and
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: I'm totally fine with it.
• 20:10
  Speaker 6: As your robot persona.
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: And you know what?
• 20:12
  Speaker 14: Having this persona is pretty fun because it's, you know,
• 20:15
  Speaker 14: especially we were talking about Comic-Cons earlier. I think everybody
• 20:18
  Speaker 14: wants to be Batman.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 20:20
  Speaker 14: Or have an alias, and I've got that. So, like,
• 20:22
  Speaker 14: when I do those gallery shows, a lot of people
• 20:24
  Speaker 14: don't know what I look like.
• 20:26
  Speaker 6: That's... I mean, it can lead to some interesting situations.
• 20:30
  Speaker 14: I can walk into my own show, and people don't
• 20:33
  Speaker 14: know that I'm at Beyond Five, and I can walk
• 20:35
  Speaker 14: out and not worry about it.
• 20:37
  Speaker 6: And still sell your artwork.
• 20:39
  Speaker 14: I actually had one guy. I was doing a Chicago show,
• 20:41
  Speaker 14: and he was a local street artist. And he would
• 20:45
  Speaker 14: message me online, but he didn't know anything about what
• 20:48
  Speaker 14: I look like. And he messaged me, hey, are you
• 20:50
  Speaker 14: going to be at your show? And I'm like, yeah,
• 20:51
  Speaker 14: I'll be there. He's like, I'd love to meet you.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay.
• 20:54
  Speaker 14: So I was actually at the show, and I was
• 20:55
  Speaker 14: just kind of wandering around And so this guy walks
• 20:59
  Speaker 14: up to me and he's.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: Like, hey, are you at Beyond Five? And I look
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: around and I'm like, that's the rumor.
• 21:07
  Speaker 6: But he'd done that to seven other people.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Are you at Beyond Five? So it's kind of fun.
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 21:16
  Speaker 6: Well, you suggested this and I usually am concerned when
• 21:22
  Speaker 6: it's huge ones. because I'm like, there's so much to cover.
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: And this one has been such a big one for
• 21:28
  Speaker 6: me and so many people I've known. But yeah, I
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: think you had such a handle on it. And then
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: in my rewatching of it, I'm like, there's just so
• 21:34
  Speaker 6: much to talk about. I think we'll do fine. So
• 21:38
  Speaker 6: for the official rundown here, and I'd say normally it's
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: our sofa theater because we watch it at home. This
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: one is still going on in theaters across the country.
• 21:46
  Speaker 6: So it might be out on the town. Wherever you've
• 21:48
  Speaker 6: seen this, it still applies. Yep. The movie is The
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: Rocky Horror Picture Show. The year is 1975. The director
• 21:55
  Speaker 6: is Jim Sharman. The plot, according to IMDb, as if
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: you didn't already know, but just for the sake of
• 22:02
  Speaker 6: completing this little thing, a newly engaged couple have a
• 22:05
  Speaker 6: breakdown in an isolated area and must pay a call
• 22:08
  Speaker 6: to the bizarre residence of Dr. Frankenfurter. They really don't
• 22:12
  Speaker 6: spoil it there. I think they're... So we'll throw out
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: spoiler alert in case you haven't seen it.
• 22:16
  Speaker 14: I honestly thought they really need to redo that and
• 22:19
  Speaker 14: just say, It's about transvestite aliens that want to have
• 22:23
  Speaker 14: sex with you.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: That's honestly what it's about.
• 22:25
  Speaker 6: It just says, just go to the theater. You'll experience
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: it your own way.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: And it's a musical.
• 22:30
  Speaker 6: Don't listen to us. I don't know. Do we want
• 22:34
  Speaker 6: to start with the movie or personal history with the movie?
• 22:38
  Speaker 6: Because they all come into play.
• 22:40
  Speaker 14: I think the personal history with the movie is a
• 22:43
  Speaker 14: good way to start.
• 22:44
  Speaker 6: Because, I mean.
• 22:46
  Speaker 14: I would say the reason being is I never saw
• 22:48
  Speaker 14: the movie. I knew of it, you know. I mean,
• 22:52
  Speaker 14: I heard of it when I was in high school
• 22:53
  Speaker 14: and whatnot. But shortly after high school, when I got
• 22:56
  Speaker 14: into college, is when I went and saw it for
• 22:58
  Speaker 14: the first time. I had mentioned it earlier. It had
• 23:00
  Speaker 14: a really shitty theater in northwest Indiana called The Crossroads.
• 23:03
  Speaker 14: But that was its charm. It was such a shitty theater.
• 23:05
  Speaker 14: And there was all these people there. And they were
• 23:07
  Speaker 14: dressed up. They were freaky. There was a lot of makeup.
• 23:10
  Speaker 14: There was a lot of lingerie. Where the fuck am I?
• 23:14
  Speaker 6: Especially at that point. I feel like kids now probably
• 23:17
  Speaker 6: won't be as shocked when they get there because they've
• 23:19
  Speaker 6: seen such horrors on the internet. But I'm like, at
• 23:22
  Speaker 6: that point, I'm glad it wasn't just me because I
• 23:25
  Speaker 6: didn't start super early. Most kids are high school, sometimes younger.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: When they start going. There was no internet yet.
• 23:32
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: I made it all the way through high school. I
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: couldn't look up anything about it.
• 23:36
  Speaker 6: I remember, I was thinking this earlier today. I remember,
• 23:38
  Speaker 6: because it was just like I knew the title and
• 23:41
  Speaker 6: I'd seen like images from it in my Starlogs or whatever. Starlog.
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: Back in the day, pre-internet, looking through my Starlog. But yeah,
• 23:50
  Speaker 6: I remember references to it and stuff like that. But
• 23:53
  Speaker 6: I still didn't really know what it was. And I
• 23:54
  Speaker 6: remember in high school, I think it must have been
• 23:58
  Speaker 6: English class, and you were supposed to get up and
• 24:00
  Speaker 6: do some sort of presentation on whatever you wanted. And
• 24:02
  Speaker 6: this dorky kid got up and did his presentation on Rocky.
• 24:06
  Speaker 6: And he, I think, was in the cast at the time.
• 24:09
  Speaker 9: Wow.
• 24:11
  Speaker 6: And again, they were pretty open to have let him like,
• 24:13
  Speaker 6: go ahead, go talk about Rocky Horror. So like he
• 24:15
  Speaker 6: did like this five or 10 minute thing about how
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: awesome it is. And I remember thinking, this guy's a dork.
• 24:22
  Speaker 6: And I was like, I don't, I think he was
• 24:24
  Speaker 6: like part of the theater group. He wasn't like an actor.
• 24:26
  Speaker 6: He was like probably set dresser. Like he seemed like
• 24:28
  Speaker 6: he was very much into the theater in our school. Sure.
• 24:31
  Speaker 6: And then obviously they cross over a lot. All of
• 24:33
  Speaker 6: your theater kids end up doing Rocky or vice versa.
• 24:37
  Speaker 6: So yeah, it was just kind of like, I don't
• 24:39
  Speaker 6: know that I'm, into this. Like, I just remember not
• 24:42
  Speaker 6: having a great response because of this guy, because he's
• 24:45
  Speaker 6: one of those dorky kids. And then later I became
• 24:48
  Speaker 6: one of those dorky kids. So yeah, it was a
• 24:50
  Speaker 6: few years later before I went there and went, oh, well,
• 24:52
  Speaker 6: that's what he was talking about. No wonder it all
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: makes sense now. So yeah, I just remember being like
• 24:57
  Speaker 6: weirded out by this totally dorky guy that like got
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: up in front of the entire class to tell people,
• 25:02
  Speaker 6: how awesome Rocky Horror was.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: It's like a religion.
• 25:05
  Speaker 6: It kind of, yeah, it's like he was trying to
• 25:06
  Speaker 6: convert people and I didn't get sucked in at the time.
• 25:09
  Speaker 6: It took, it took that same thing of like a
• 25:11
  Speaker 6: friend that's like, oh man, you haven't seen that and
• 25:13
  Speaker 6: dragged me to the theater and I was just like,
• 25:16
  Speaker 6: I remember that first night just being in awe of
• 25:19
  Speaker 6: it because you don't know what you're getting yourself into.
• 25:21
  Speaker 6: Even if you heard stories, it's not the same.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 25:24
  Speaker 14: Actually, uh, and the reason I went was, uh, I
• 25:27
  Speaker 14: was in a band at the time and I was
• 25:28
  Speaker 14: playing and a lot of the Rocky Horror kids would
• 25:30
  Speaker 14: come and see my band play and, uh, So I
• 25:33
  Speaker 14: felt kind of obligated.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: I was like, you come see.
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: What I do.
• 25:35
  Speaker 14: I will go see what you do. And they were
• 25:38
  Speaker 14: in the cast at the time, the local cast.
• 25:39
  Speaker 6: So I went.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: And they knew I was coming. And they also knew
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: I had never seen it. So I was a virgin.
• 25:44
  Speaker 14: So they made sure that when I walked in the
• 25:47
  Speaker 14: theater and I saw all this, that they singled me out.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Of course.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: And they put a big V in lipstick on my face.
• 25:55
  Speaker 6: You are jerky friends. I escaped that.
• 25:57
  Speaker 11: Oh, no.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, my friends are jerks. They're assholes. But I love them.
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: That's why.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: You helped me hide.
• 26:04
  Speaker 14: They pulled me up on stage during the pre-show. And,
• 26:08
  Speaker 14: I mean, they, you know, I went through the virgin,
• 26:11
  Speaker 14: the de-virginization process.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: I had to fake an orgasm.
• 26:15
  Speaker 6: My favorite one, I think, the guy during that first
• 26:19
  Speaker 6: run that I was still going, he would get him
• 26:21
  Speaker 6: up and do the virgin spelling bee.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
• 26:24
  Speaker 6: And it was so ridiculous that it was kind of
• 26:26
  Speaker 6: one of my favorite ones.
• 26:27
  Speaker 9: Nice.
• 26:27
  Speaker 6: Because it wasn't even like your normal debauchery that you
• 26:29
  Speaker 6: would expect. It was legitimately spilling. And that was one
• 26:33
  Speaker 6: of my favorites because it didn't really fit at all.
• 26:36
  Speaker 6: That's nice.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: I liked it. It's educational as well.
• 26:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah. These kids need to brush up on their grammar.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: I would have been terrible at that. I was pretty
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: good at faking that orgasm.
• 26:45
  Speaker 6: Well, I mean, it comes in handy sometimes.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
• 26:48
  Speaker 6: Mm-hmm. But, yeah, I think that ties so much to
• 26:52
  Speaker 6: everybody's But that's kind of why I wanted to also
• 26:55
  Speaker 6: address the movie itself.
• 26:57
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 26:57
  Speaker 6: Because I think sometimes the film gets lost in the experience.
• 27:00
  Speaker 9: Yes.
• 27:01
  Speaker 6: And it was, like, years later, I think, when I
• 27:03
  Speaker 6: was probably watching it. Because, again, that first time, you
• 27:05
  Speaker 6: don't even, like, take it all in. There's so much
• 27:07
  Speaker 6: going on. You're just in the middle of the craziness.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: The audience participation, yelling, everything.
• 27:12
  Speaker 14: You know, and the funny thing was, when I started
• 27:14
  Speaker 14: going every week, and I started to watch the movie more,
• 27:18
  Speaker 14: I actually never really did any audience participation. I mean,
• 27:22
  Speaker 14: everyone else was doing it and it was funny and
• 27:23
  Speaker 14: it was fine and I enjoy that. And if they
• 27:25
  Speaker 14: want to do that, that's great. I actually ended up
• 27:27
  Speaker 14: falling in love with the movie for the movie's sake
• 27:30
  Speaker 14: as well as the music involved. And I found myself,
• 27:34
  Speaker 14: I don't know if this is good or kind of pathetic,
• 27:36
  Speaker 14: but I found myself watching it at home by myself.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: Like, okay, I'm going to watch it. I'm going to
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: get my VHS out and be like, okay, now, so.
• 27:44
  Speaker 6: See, that was a big deal, too. I was remembering that.
• 27:47
  Speaker 6: I remember I started going right before they did that.
• 27:50
  Speaker 6: So they weren't really smart that for years it didn't
• 27:53
  Speaker 6: really play on cable. They knew where their money was
• 27:57
  Speaker 6: coming from. And they were like, we're not going to
• 27:59
  Speaker 6: put it on cable. We're not going to put it
• 28:00
  Speaker 6: on VHS. So it was a long time before they
• 28:02
  Speaker 6: finally kind of gave in and went, all right, fine.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: When it came on a VHS, it was like $ 80, too.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: It was expensive.
• 28:08
  Speaker 6: I think because it was when they started. like a
• 28:11
  Speaker 6: few years before I guess when they started doing like
• 28:12
  Speaker 6: video stores and then you could buy the previewed copies
• 28:15
  Speaker 6: and I remember I pre-ordered a previewed copy from a
• 28:19
  Speaker 6: video store in New York because it was the only
• 28:21
  Speaker 6: one that was offering like a not $ 100 version or
• 28:24
  Speaker 6: whatever they were going for so I still spent like
• 28:27
  Speaker 6: $ 25 or more for a VHS version.
• 28:29
  Speaker 7: For a used VHS version.
• 28:32
  Speaker 6: So yeah that was just to be able to watch
• 28:34
  Speaker 6: it at home and I replaced it a few times
• 28:38
  Speaker 6: since then I was watching my box set today I
• 28:42
  Speaker 6: dug out my body which I was thinking I have
• 28:43
  Speaker 6: not dug into that in forever because it's got the
• 28:46
  Speaker 6: book and the CD and all that insanity but I
• 28:50
  Speaker 6: don't know I think that was part of it too
• 28:52
  Speaker 6: is realizing how much the movie works as a movie
• 28:56
  Speaker 6: and like even almost when it shouldn't.
• 29:00
  Speaker 14: You know it's funny the thing that I should say
• 29:02
  Speaker 14: about the movie this might piss off some people but
• 29:07
  Speaker 14: it's a bad movie I mean But it's a good
• 29:10
  Speaker 14: movie because it's bad.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: I think it's bull.
• 29:13
  Speaker 9: It is.
• 29:14
  Speaker 14: But I think what a lot of people miss about
• 29:16
  Speaker 14: why it's bad is really what it was meant to be,
• 29:21
  Speaker 14: which is an homage to old B-movie, B-sci-fi movies and
• 29:26
  Speaker 14: horror movies.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: And those are terrible.
• 29:28
  Speaker 14: I mean, if you ever watch one of the old
• 29:29
  Speaker 14: black and white B-sci-fi movies, and they're great. And so
• 29:34
  Speaker 14: even though Rocky Horror, by regular movie standards, is a
• 29:37
  Speaker 14: bad movie, it's great. when you realize that it's supposed
• 29:41
  Speaker 14: to be, you know, uh, a campy movie.
• 29:46
  Speaker 6: I think it's still like, again, rewatching it like this weekend.
• 29:49
  Speaker 6: I'm like, it's interesting to me how self-assured it is
• 29:55
  Speaker 6: as a movie. And I think maybe it's because Richard
• 29:57
  Speaker 6: O'Brien had no idea what he was doing. Really? He
• 30:00
  Speaker 6: wrote it because he wanted to write it. He didn't
• 30:02
  Speaker 6: have any real training. He'd never written a movie before.
• 30:05
  Speaker 6: He just went, oh, I thought about this and I
• 30:07
  Speaker 6: want to do it. So he powered on as though,
• 30:10
  Speaker 6: I'm telling this story. I don't care if you don't
• 30:13
  Speaker 6: get it, you don't like it. He just tells his story.
• 30:16
  Speaker 14: They just came out recently with the demo tapes of
• 30:20
  Speaker 14: the music that he made to get it as a play.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Because it was a play first, briefly. Well, I shouldn't
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: say briefly, because the play is still going on.
• 30:30
  Speaker 14: So he was just this guy who had this idea
• 30:33
  Speaker 14: for a musical that was like an old B-sci-fi horror
• 30:37
  Speaker 14: combination of it all. And so the demo tapes are
• 30:39
  Speaker 14: awesome because you can hear how raw the music is,
• 30:41
  Speaker 14: but it's awesome. And on these demo tapes, he plays
• 30:45
  Speaker 14: the songs, he sings the songs, and he just uses
• 30:47
  Speaker 14: an acoustic guitar. There's no other arrangements, no other backing.
• 30:51
  Speaker 14: But prior to each song, he does some lines that
• 30:54
  Speaker 14: he wrote for the play.
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: But they being normal kids and on a night out, well,
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: they weren't going to let a storm spoil the events
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: of their evening.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: On a night out.
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: It was a night out they were to remember for
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: a very long time.
• 31:17
  Speaker 15: In the velvet darkness of the blackest night burning bright
• 31:29
  Speaker 15: there's a guiding star No matter what or.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: Who you are.
• 31:52
  Speaker 15: There's a light Over at the Frankenstein place.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: There's a light.
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: Burning in the fireplace.
• 32:12
  Speaker 15: There's a light.
• 32:15
  Speaker 6: Light.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: In the darkness.
• 32:21
  Speaker 15: Of everybody's life.
• 32:30
  Speaker 14: He used that to get a theater... to agree to it.
• 32:35
  Speaker 14: So then they did, they did the stage play and
• 32:37
  Speaker 14: then it just took off from there. And then it was, yeah,
• 32:39
  Speaker 14: it was a ball that just kept rolling. And, you know,
• 32:42
  Speaker 14: in 75, then, Oh my God, 20th century Fox is
• 32:45
  Speaker 14: going to make this weird little play into a movie.
• 32:47
  Speaker 6: I think that's, I think that's part of it though,
• 32:49
  Speaker 6: is like, maybe it's the songs that are still kind
• 32:52
  Speaker 6: of the heart of it. Cause I forget again, watching it,
• 32:54
  Speaker 6: how much like it just, especially that middle portion. And
• 32:57
  Speaker 6: I think maybe that's why the midnight crowd worked so
• 32:59
  Speaker 6: well because it's The like two big numbers are back
• 33:02
  Speaker 6: to back. One rolls right into this. So you've got
• 33:04
  Speaker 6: a block in the middle there that is just nothing
• 33:06
  Speaker 6: but songs for you to like lock into. But also
• 33:10
  Speaker 6: like I think there are some of them that are
• 33:13
  Speaker 6: so real. And I think that's sort of why they
• 33:18
  Speaker 6: still work, especially for that type of movie. Because I'm
• 33:21
  Speaker 6: watching over at the Frankenstein place and I'm like, it's
• 33:24
  Speaker 6: so sincere.
• 33:25
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 33:26
  Speaker 6: It's not doing it tongue-in-cheek. It's not doing it as
• 33:29
  Speaker 6: though we know we're making a bad movie. This is
• 33:31
  Speaker 6: a really silly song. There are a few that work
• 33:33
  Speaker 6: that in. You're a hot dog is hard to say
• 33:35
  Speaker 6: with a straight face. But that first one, they're singing it.
• 33:39
  Speaker 6: I'm like, this could be in any other musical. It's
• 33:41
  Speaker 6: very straight. It takes itself very seriously.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: It's not a joke. There's a simplicity to the music.
• 33:47
  Speaker 14: Actually, I think that's partially why it is so long-lasting.
• 33:52
  Speaker 14: In addition to the artwork, I'm also a musician. The
• 33:54
  Speaker 14: one thing that I've learned as far as writing songs
• 33:56
  Speaker 14: go is the simpler they are, the more.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: Memorable they are.
• 34:00
  Speaker 14: You think about the songs that you remember as a child,
• 34:03
  Speaker 14: like Nursery Rhymes. Those are things you never forget.
• 34:05
  Speaker 6: Super simple.
• 34:06
  Speaker 14: They are super simple. Then you think about music like...
• 34:09
  Speaker 14: like dream theater. Can you think of a dream theater
• 34:14
  Speaker 14: song that sticks out in your head?
• 34:15
  Speaker 6: I can't think how that orchestration works.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Right, no.
• 34:19
  Speaker 14: And again, like Richard O'Brien, like his demo tapes, when
• 34:21
  Speaker 14: you listen to the songs, it's like, wow, he's doing
• 34:23
  Speaker 14: these amazing songs with just an acoustic guitar.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: So they work on that level.
• 34:29
  Speaker 14: And so, yeah, of course, for the movie, they have,
• 34:31
  Speaker 14: you know, arrangements and whatnot. But, I mean, at the heart, though,
• 34:34
  Speaker 14: it's just those three chord songs.
• 34:36
  Speaker 6: The thing I think that is a nice addition that, again,
• 34:39
  Speaker 6: I don't know how much I noticed until recently is, like,
• 34:42
  Speaker 6: those background singers add this real, like, soul part to it. Like,
• 34:47
  Speaker 6: it's got a weird R & B vibe in the background.
• 34:50
  Speaker 6: It's almost got, again, very... religiousy it's got almost like
• 34:53
  Speaker 6: a you know a church choir feeling which sort of
• 34:56
  Speaker 6: ties into the weird way that they treat all this
• 34:58
  Speaker 6: stuff anyway but yeah I think that's something musically that
• 35:01
  Speaker 6: I didn't I think it's almost more sophisticated than people
• 35:05
  Speaker 6: will give it credit for because he's again weird genius
• 35:09
  Speaker 6: that he is there's still like a thread of genius
• 35:12
  Speaker 6: that runs through Richard O'Brien that like I don't even
• 35:14
  Speaker 6: think people understand maybe he doesn't even understand how it
• 35:17
  Speaker 6: all comes together Because I think that's the other aspect
• 35:20
  Speaker 6: I've always thought. I'm like, it's almost like, and maybe
• 35:25
  Speaker 6: he's a time traveler, Richard O'Brien made this bad movie.
• 35:29
  Speaker 6: It failed. He then went back in time to continue
• 35:32
  Speaker 6: to make a bad movie, but make it orchestrated so
• 35:35
  Speaker 6: that it would then work. Because I'm watching it, and
• 35:38
  Speaker 6: I remember even the first time I got it and
• 35:39
  Speaker 6: watched it at home, I'm like, it has these dead
• 35:43
  Speaker 6: spaces in it that I'm like, were you writing this
• 35:47
  Speaker 6: for people to be yelling.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: Things right now?
• 35:49
  Speaker 6: Because it works so perfectly. Or he will write this
• 35:52
  Speaker 6: dialogue that's waiting for you to answer back. If only
• 35:57
  Speaker 6: we hadn't. But I'm waiting to wait until she finishes.
• 36:00
  Speaker 6: But you did. It's asking you to answer the dialogue.
• 36:04
  Speaker 14: Say hello, Reckler.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: Hi.
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: My name's Brad Majors.
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: Asshole.
• 36:19
  Speaker 7: This is my fiancée, Janet Weiss. Weiss.
• 36:21
  Speaker 9: I wonder if you might help us.
• 36:23
  Speaker 10: You see, our car broke down a few miles up
• 36:25
  Speaker 10: the road.
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: Is there a phone we might use?
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: Look between Janet's legs.
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: You're awake.
• 36:33
  Speaker 12: Yes.
• 36:33
  Speaker 9: It's raining.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: Oh, shit.
• 36:37
  Speaker 15: Yes.
• 36:39
  Speaker 9: Yes. Yes.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: I think perhaps you better both come inside.
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: I don't care where you come from.
• 36:52
  Speaker 7: You're too kind.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: I've heard, like, different variations.
• 36:57
  Speaker 14: I've heard people say, no, no, that was intentional.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know how.
• 37:02
  Speaker 6: Sort of the time travel.
• 37:03
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: Truthfully, I don't think it was intentional unless time travel was.
• 37:07
  Speaker 6: Possible for him. That's the only way I see it happening.
• 37:09
  Speaker 14: Again, look, when you watch, like, the old B-movies, like,
• 37:13
  Speaker 14: if you ever watch Mystery Science Theater 3000.
• 37:15
  Speaker 6: It's the same thing, yeah.
• 37:16
  Speaker 14: Yeah, these B-movies, the dialogue is so terrible that, yeah, there's, like, these...
• 37:21
  Speaker 14: giant gaps it worked great for mst3k because i think
• 37:23
  Speaker 14: it's just saying it and uh and honestly i mean
• 37:26
  Speaker 14: i don't know if those dialogues were intentional when they
• 37:29
  Speaker 14: were filming it but being that the whole the whole
• 37:31
  Speaker 14: thing is a is is is is paying homage to
• 37:34
  Speaker 14: all those older movies it worked i think it works.
• 37:36
  Speaker 6: Great might have been but yeah i mean there's just
• 37:39
  Speaker 6: that element to it that i'm like how could you
• 37:43
  Speaker 6: know that this was going to work so perfectly the
• 37:47
  Speaker 6: way that it does I don't know, because I don't
• 37:49
  Speaker 6: see how you would write it and expect it to
• 37:52
  Speaker 6: work otherwise. I'm like, no, look at this.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: Let's just have.
• 37:56
  Speaker 14: A scene where they're drying off Brad and Janet. Nobody's
• 38:01
  Speaker 14: talking for like 30 seconds or whatever.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: Why not? That works. People like that.
• 38:06
  Speaker 6: Just like them going through the hallway to the elevator.
• 38:09
  Speaker 6: And it's just total dead silence the whole way. Or
• 38:13
  Speaker 6: like going into the.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: the big.
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: Observatorium or whatever like that you know getting ready to
• 38:17
  Speaker 6: do and he's just panning around no dialogue i'm just
• 38:21
  Speaker 6: like it makes no sense that you would set it
• 38:24
  Speaker 6: up that way and that's my thing i'm just like
• 38:26
  Speaker 6: it it doesn't make sense any other way i'm time
• 38:29
  Speaker 6: travel but i do that's why i think it's almost
• 38:31
  Speaker 6: a realistic idea because he's just enough of a weirdo
• 38:35
  Speaker 6: that he would go back in time and not fix
• 38:36
  Speaker 6: it so that his movie was a success, fix it
• 38:39
  Speaker 6: so that he could make his failure semi-successful. He's just
• 38:43
  Speaker 6: that weird.
• 38:45
  Speaker 14: If the movie was good, yeah, we wouldn't be watching
• 38:48
  Speaker 14: it today.
• 38:48
  Speaker 6: Yeah, well, and people have questioned that before, and it's
• 38:50
  Speaker 6: probably true. Like, if it had opened and done well,
• 38:54
  Speaker 6: you probably never would have gotten that Midnight Cult following. Like,
• 38:58
  Speaker 6: you wouldn't have maybe ever even gotten the audience participation aspect. And, like,
• 39:04
  Speaker 6: I don't know. Like, do you think there's a way
• 39:06
  Speaker 6: that could have happened had it been successful?
• 39:08
  Speaker 14: I think if it was written differently, without the gaps
• 39:12
  Speaker 14: in the dialogue, I think it still would have achieved
• 39:15
  Speaker 14: a cult status among a specific group of people, but not.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: The widespread status that it has achieved.
• 39:22
  Speaker 14: I mean, the thing that I love about it, and
• 39:25
  Speaker 14: I had mentioned that I can watch it as a
• 39:27
  Speaker 14: movie without the audience participation, or I could i could
• 39:29
  Speaker 14: watch it without seeing it in theater it's.
• 39:31
  Speaker 6: Hard for me to do it and not say things
• 39:34
  Speaker 6: i don't necessarily yell them at the screen sure but
• 39:36
  Speaker 6: i'm still find myself answering it the whole time And
• 39:40
  Speaker 6: calling him an asshole. Admit it.
• 39:42
  Speaker 14: You sit at home and you will throw toilet paper
• 39:44
  Speaker 14: around the house.
• 39:45
  Speaker 6: I wasn't throwing things so much.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: Rice in the air.
• 39:48
  Speaker 6: The rice, you know, much like the theaters, you learn
• 39:50
  Speaker 6: it gets moldy really fast. So don't throw it around
• 39:52
  Speaker 6: the house.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: But I do.
• 39:54
  Speaker 6: I was doing it earlier this morning. I was watching
• 39:56
  Speaker 6: part of it and I'm just like, every sentence I
• 39:59
  Speaker 6: say to Janet ends in bitch. Bitch. That killed me
• 40:02
  Speaker 6: in the theater. I'm just like, everything went in with,
• 40:05
  Speaker 6: what are you looking at, bitch? Nobody ask you, bitch. Like,
• 40:09
  Speaker 6: she's just, She's so nice. It just makes that so
• 40:12
  Speaker 6: much more horrible that we continually just berate her the
• 40:15
  Speaker 6: entire movie.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: Thankfully, they get the joke, though.
• 40:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: Otherwise, I'd feel really bad.
• 40:21
  Speaker 6: That's the thing, going back to the experience. That was
• 40:24
  Speaker 6: something that I felt like was an interesting balance sometimes
• 40:28
  Speaker 6: because we would always get, and it was almost like
• 40:31
  Speaker 6: amazing to sit there in the middle of because we
• 40:33
  Speaker 6: would get pockets of totally different types of people. Sure.
• 40:37
  Speaker 6: that were there almost for different reasons. And you would have, like,
• 40:40
  Speaker 6: we would have some that would show up that I'm like,
• 40:41
  Speaker 6: I think this is just a bunch of rednecks. And
• 40:44
  Speaker 6: they just want to be able to yell at the screen.
• 40:46
  Speaker 9: Right.
• 40:46
  Speaker 6: And nobody throw them out of a theater.
• 40:47
  Speaker 9: Right.
• 40:48
  Speaker 6: But they're sitting across from a whole group of gay guys.
• 40:51
  Speaker 6: You know, I'm just like, so the fact that they're
• 40:52
  Speaker 6: okay together enough to be at this movie, like, they
• 40:56
  Speaker 6: probably still would have had a fight in the parking lot.
• 40:58
  Speaker 6: But I feel like there's just for a minute, like,
• 40:59
  Speaker 6: there's almost a little bit of we're all getting along.
• 41:02
  Speaker 6: We're all okay with each other being... because of this movie.
• 41:05
  Speaker 6: So like, and we, it was, it was just the
• 41:07
  Speaker 6: weirdest group of people that all sort of mingled together
• 41:11
  Speaker 6: on that one night of the week. And it's like,
• 41:13
  Speaker 6: maybe somebody, you know, brought down some barriers. Maybe some
• 41:16
  Speaker 6: friends were made that you wouldn't have ever met before.
• 41:19
  Speaker 14: There's a Chicago cast and I know some of the
• 41:22
  Speaker 14: people in the cast and I saw some comments they
• 41:23
  Speaker 14: posted on Facebook recently, which they talk about, you know,
• 41:26
  Speaker 14: the idea of Rocky horrors.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: It's, it is for, it's for everybody. It brings people together.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: Don't dream it, be it.
• 41:32
  Speaker 14: I mean, but there is a line, and they talk
• 41:33
  Speaker 14: about back in the day, Gigi Allen would go to
• 41:37
  Speaker 14: the theater, and he was like the one guy that
• 41:38
  Speaker 14: they're like, okay, you can't be here. You cannot shit
• 41:41
  Speaker 14: on the floor. That's not, that is not, don't dream it,
• 41:44
  Speaker 14: get out. So, you know, there is a line that
• 41:48
  Speaker 14: you can cross.
• 41:50
  Speaker 6: I think that with most people. A lot of people
• 41:51
  Speaker 6: are pushing that line.
• 41:52
  Speaker 14: But it is fun to see the different types of
• 41:55
  Speaker 14: people that come into the theater.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it does bring a lot of people together.
• 41:59
  Speaker 14: I actually just got back last month They had the
• 42:02
  Speaker 14: 40th anniversary convention out in New York. So I went
• 42:04
  Speaker 14: out there for that. And for the show, for the
• 42:07
  Speaker 14: midnight showing, they held it at the Ziegfeld Theater, which
• 42:10
  Speaker 14: is really nice, beautiful theater.
• 42:11
  Speaker 6: It's pretty high class.
• 42:13
  Speaker 14: And so I sat up in the back balcony, which
• 42:15
  Speaker 14: is pretty cool because, again, I just like to watch
• 42:18
  Speaker 14: the movie. But I actually got to watch the movie
• 42:20
  Speaker 14: and then watch, you know. The entire theater full of people.
• 42:24
  Speaker 6: Waves of people responding. Exactly.
• 42:27
  Speaker 14: And, you know, it was fun to see just these crowds,
• 42:30
  Speaker 14: all these different kinds of people sitting next to each other,
• 42:32
  Speaker 14: throwing stuff, yelling at themselves, you know.
• 42:37
  Speaker 6: That is, actually, you just referenced the other line that
• 42:40
  Speaker 6: I'm like, don't dream it, be it. Works so perfectly
• 42:45
  Speaker 6: for the state that it is now. I'm like, what
• 42:49
  Speaker 6: the hell does that line mean? When you're writing that movie,
• 42:53
  Speaker 6: if it's just a movie, if you're just telling this
• 42:55
  Speaker 6: weird story about aliens, what the hell does that line
• 42:58
  Speaker 6: have to do with anything? But magically, a few years later,
• 43:01
  Speaker 6: it's the most perfect thing to sum up and be
• 43:05
  Speaker 6: like the bumper sticker to bring in a whole new
• 43:07
  Speaker 6: bunch of kids.
• 43:07
  Speaker 9: Oh, yeah.
• 43:08
  Speaker 6: Be like, all these things that you're into, it's okay.
• 43:11
  Speaker 6: This one night of the week. You can dress in drag.
• 43:14
  Speaker 6: You can get up on stage and get naked. You
• 43:16
  Speaker 6: can make out with somebody in the bathroom. All of
• 43:18
  Speaker 6: these horrible things that your parents tell you not to do,
• 43:21
  Speaker 6: this one night a week, it's okay to do it.
• 43:23
  Speaker 6: And you can be... Whatever the hell you want to be.
• 43:26
  Speaker 5: It's crazy.
• 43:26
  Speaker 14: I had mentioned in the earlier interview, like, third grade,
• 43:29
  Speaker 14: doing the drawing of the barbarians and the gargoyles, which
• 43:33
  Speaker 14: didn't go over so well with the teachers.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, okay, well, I guess I'm not
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: supposed to draw stuff like that.
• 43:37
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: But, you know, again, Rocky Horror, you want to draw
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: some barbarians and gargoyles? You go ahead. Draw it.
• 43:44
  Speaker 6: Make one of them Frankenfurter. Exactly. Cutting off somebody's hand,
• 43:47
  Speaker 6: and we will put it on our next flyer. That's
• 43:50
  Speaker 6: how that's to get started. But, yeah, I'm just... I
• 43:54
  Speaker 6: like all the other stuff. There's so many aspects to
• 43:57
  Speaker 6: it that I just are kind of fascinated just from
• 44:01
  Speaker 6: so many angles.
• 44:02
  Speaker 14: It is honestly, and this is the big reason why
• 44:05
  Speaker 14: I love it and why I could watch it just
• 44:08
  Speaker 14: as a movie, is that it literally has everything that
• 44:11
  Speaker 14: you could want in a movie, especially if you are
• 44:13
  Speaker 14: a geek.
• 44:14
  Speaker 6: And a teenager. There's a reason it always pulls in
• 44:17
  Speaker 6: these kids.
• 44:18
  Speaker 14: Like we talked about the Don't Dream It, Be It.
• 44:20
  Speaker 14: It basically is a movie that says, hey, whatever you are,
• 44:23
  Speaker 14: that's cool. Be yourself, which kids nowadays need to hear.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: Definitely.
• 44:29
  Speaker 14: But also there's the sci-fi aspect to it, which growing
• 44:33
  Speaker 14: up watching Star Wars and all that, it has sci-fi.
• 44:35
  Speaker 6: Which you don't necessarily realize until midway in. You're like,
• 44:39
  Speaker 6: what are we watching?
• 44:40
  Speaker 14: You've got the audio vibratory physiomolecular transport device.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: You know, yeah. You've got the spacesuits at the end.
• 44:48
  Speaker 6: You know, you're learning. I love those spacesuits.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: These people are not from Earth. They're from another galaxy.
• 44:52
  Speaker 6: Oh, wow.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: That's OK.
• 44:54
  Speaker 6: Again, that's what I was thinking. Like it also that's
• 44:57
  Speaker 6: part of that weird self-assured thing that he had. It's
• 45:00
  Speaker 6: like you don't know what this story is. And again,
• 45:03
  Speaker 6: the way it's written, I don't know if it's because
• 45:05
  Speaker 6: he's inexperienced or he was just that visionary about it
• 45:09
  Speaker 6: because it's like. I remember it was several viewings before
• 45:13
  Speaker 6: I really started even piecing together, like, the relationships. Because
• 45:17
  Speaker 6: it's very intricate. It's not like it's a dumb plot line.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: No, it's not.
• 45:20
  Speaker 6: The plot itself is very complicated.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: And the characters are actually, if you think about it.
• 45:24
  Speaker 6: They're all interconnected and, like, you don't know it going in.
• 45:27
  Speaker 14: They appear simple, but they're actually very, very specific archetypes.
• 45:31
  Speaker 15: Yeah.
• 45:31
  Speaker 6: And they all have weird relationships. It's like you don't
• 45:34
  Speaker 6: really know the whole thing. Like you're midway into like
• 45:37
  Speaker 6: the Eddie's number and you still don't really understand how
• 45:41
  Speaker 6: he plays into the whole scenario.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: Why is he in a freezer?
• 45:43
  Speaker 6: The fact that Columbia has a thing for him. The
• 45:46
  Speaker 6: fact that Frank has his little personal history with him.
• 45:48
  Speaker 6: Like you don't get any of that.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: Why is he got that giant scar on his forehead too?
• 45:52
  Speaker 6: It's like 17 viewings later when you're like, okay, so wait, he, oh, okay. Like,
• 45:56
  Speaker 6: and you realize. It's not badly slapped together. It's actually
• 45:59
  Speaker 6: pretty well interlocked that all of the stuff makes sense
• 46:03
  Speaker 6: by the end of the movie.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: There's a reason for pretty much everything in it.
• 46:06
  Speaker 6: He never spells it out at the beginning. He just
• 46:08
  Speaker 6: immerses you in the middle of this insanity. And then
• 46:11
  Speaker 6: by the end, you're like, oh, shit, it does all
• 46:13
  Speaker 6: make sense. You want to write it off as a
• 46:15
  Speaker 6: bad movie, but I'm like, it's kind of not. The
• 46:18
  Speaker 6: fact that the whole Eddie thing also ties back to Dr. Scott,
• 46:22
  Speaker 6: who you don't know who the hell he is when
• 46:23
  Speaker 6: he shows up. Then the fact that he's involved with
• 46:26
  Speaker 6: the government looking for UFOs, like it's way more complicated
• 46:29
  Speaker 6: than you feel like this dumb movie that you're watching
• 46:32
  Speaker 6: in the middle of the night and not paying attention
• 46:34
  Speaker 6: to should be.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: And it's a musical still.
• 46:35
  Speaker 6: And it's a musical with really good songs that are
• 46:38
  Speaker 6: kind of catchy. It's amazing that all of this comes
• 46:42
  Speaker 6: together and works as well as it does. We're kind
• 46:45
  Speaker 6: of heaping a lot of praise on it, but I
• 46:48
  Speaker 6: don't know. It's one of those, I feel like in
• 46:50
  Speaker 6: these last 10, 15 years, the internet age, I felt.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: A lot of backlash.
• 46:55
  Speaker 6: I felt a lot of like, eh, Rocky's not that great.
• 46:58
  Speaker 6: Like a lot of people, it was suddenly cool to
• 47:00
  Speaker 6: trash Rocky.
• 47:01
  Speaker 14: I actually saw an article this past week. I forget.
• 47:05
  Speaker 14: I'm not even going to name the site because I
• 47:07
  Speaker 14: could give a shit less.
• 47:08
  Speaker 6: No plugs for that.
• 47:09
  Speaker 14: Yeah, they actually did a scathing review of Rocky Horror.
• 47:13
  Speaker 14: And the person who wrote it just flat out says,
• 47:15
  Speaker 14: I haven't seen it, but I'm going to review it.
• 47:17
  Speaker 6: See, that's what pisses me off. And a lot of
• 47:19
  Speaker 6: these kind of shows, like people will trash stuff that
• 47:21
  Speaker 6: they either– didn't watch didn't finish watching didn't and i'm
• 47:24
  Speaker 6: like no that's bullshit like that's one of the things
• 47:27
  Speaker 6: like even if i don't like something i want to
• 47:29
  Speaker 6: know what the hell i'm talking about you know and
• 47:31
  Speaker 6: it's like so these people who number one haven't seen
• 47:34
  Speaker 6: it and even more so i guess haven't experienced it
• 47:37
  Speaker 6: all right but i mean you can take it as
• 47:39
  Speaker 6: just the face value of the movie and i think
• 47:41
  Speaker 6: still be able to see that there's something there like
• 47:44
  Speaker 6: you may not love it But again, the pieces of
• 47:48
  Speaker 6: it are kind of genius in their own right.
• 47:50
  Speaker 14: There's so much to it that I think if you
• 47:53
  Speaker 14: actually just watch it, you'll find something that applies to
• 47:57
  Speaker 14: you and something that you can like. My girlfriend Katrina, actually,
• 48:00
  Speaker 14: she was an audience member for years, and that's actually
• 48:03
  Speaker 14: how I met her years ago.
• 48:05
  Speaker 6: That's what we discussed earlier. That's the reason I know
• 48:09
  Speaker 6: Misty is indirectly because of Rocky.
• 48:11
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 48:12
  Speaker 14: And the funny thing is, though, Katrina, like, she was
• 48:14
  Speaker 14: an audience member, but she never, you know, she told
• 48:16
  Speaker 14: me recently, she's like, she never really enjoyed the movie
• 48:19
  Speaker 14: as much as other people. But she realized why she,
• 48:23
  Speaker 14: what was drawing her to it, though. Actually, in this,
• 48:26
  Speaker 14: you know, everybody, some people like Frankenfurter, some people like
• 48:28
  Speaker 14: Riff Raff. For her, actually, it was the castle.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: Oakley Court.
• 48:33
  Speaker 6: That's really awesome.
• 48:34
  Speaker 14: She realized that's really... I mean, she also liked it
• 48:37
  Speaker 14: because that's where all of her friends were. She felt
• 48:39
  Speaker 14: safe there.
• 48:39
  Speaker 6: It's the hangout at that point, more than anything.
• 48:41
  Speaker 14: But for her, it was Oakley Court, the castle that
• 48:44
  Speaker 14: they filmed in, because she was a huge fan of
• 48:47
  Speaker 14: all the old Hammer horror films. And then she realized that, oh, shit,
• 48:50
  Speaker 14: they filmed that where they filmed Dracula and Frankenstein for Hammer.
• 48:55
  Speaker 14: And she recently just did a drawing... of oakley court
• 48:59
  Speaker 14: she's like if i'm gonna do a rocky horror drawing
• 49:01
  Speaker 14: i'm going to do what i love.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: My favorite part yeah so she drew the castle.
• 49:05
  Speaker 6: That's awesome yeah i mean that's that's one of the
• 49:08
  Speaker 6: other aspects i was thinking it's like richard o'brien is
• 49:10
  Speaker 6: weird we all know that and like it's funny that
• 49:14
  Speaker 6: i i wonder what would have happened had he directed
• 49:16
  Speaker 6: yeah because he's never directed anything even since then so
• 49:19
  Speaker 6: i'm like, would it have just been the train wreck
• 49:22
  Speaker 6: that it has so much potential to be? Because I
• 49:24
  Speaker 6: feel like Jim Sharman seems super artsy. And like you
• 49:28
  Speaker 6: watch these interviews with him and like he's very serious
• 49:31
  Speaker 6: about everything. So I'm like, I think he approached this
• 49:34
  Speaker 6: as a very serious project. what's on the screen may
• 49:37
  Speaker 6: not be serious all the time, but I think he
• 49:38
  Speaker 6: looks at it very artistic. Let's tackle this as seriously
• 49:40
  Speaker 6: as possible. He does.
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: It's going to be the godfather of transvestite aliens.
• 49:49
  Speaker 6: I feel like he still works in very creative shots.
• 49:53
  Speaker 6: It's all set up really interesting. It could have been
• 49:56
  Speaker 6: a half-assed version of whatever. What do I care? Look
• 50:00
  Speaker 6: at this thing.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: Why do I want to put any work into it?
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: It's funny you mention about the creative shots.
• 50:03
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 50:03
  Speaker 14: One of the things that I love about it, one
• 50:05
  Speaker 14: of the many things, is when I look at films
• 50:08
  Speaker 14: of the 70s, I can usually tell that they're films
• 50:12
  Speaker 14: of the 70s based on the film stock or the
• 50:15
  Speaker 14: shots or the music or whatever. When I watch Rocky Horror,
• 50:20
  Speaker 14: whatever film stock they use and the colors, it doesn't
• 50:23
  Speaker 14: look like a 70s film to me. It basically is timeless,
• 50:28
  Speaker 14: even in just the aesthetics. It has a timeless quality
• 50:31
  Speaker 14: to it.
• 50:31
  Speaker 6: I specifically noted that today. I think it's because it's
• 50:35
  Speaker 6: so weird. It doesn't bring in the weird 70s. The
• 50:38
  Speaker 6: 70s itself is weird. and has its own weird visuals.
• 50:42
  Speaker 6: But because they're so out of place, and they're trying
• 50:44
  Speaker 6: to create this world of people who don't really understand
• 50:47
  Speaker 6: the time and place that they're in, it also doesn't
• 50:50
  Speaker 6: pull in those trappings of the 70s, so.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: It becomes timeless.
• 50:53
  Speaker 14: There's only one reference, and I think I could be wrong,
• 50:56
  Speaker 14: but I believe there's only one reference in the film
• 50:58
  Speaker 14: that actually dates it to the 70s, and that's when
• 51:00
  Speaker 14: they're in the car, and it's Richard Nixon on the radio,
• 51:04
  Speaker 14: which I believe, I think, pissed Richard O'Brien off. He
• 51:06
  Speaker 14: did not want that in the film.
• 51:08
  Speaker 6: I feel like even then, like, you could be listening
• 51:12
  Speaker 6: to a Nixon recording.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: But most people, I mean, most people don't realize it
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: as they're driving. They don't, they don't hear the Richard
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: Nixon and.
• 51:18
  Speaker 6: Think it was, I mean, I think I remember knowing
• 51:21
  Speaker 6: that it was Nixon, but I didn't realize it was
• 51:23
  Speaker 6: supposed to then be set in that specific time. I just, again,
• 51:26
  Speaker 6: I assumed that was what they're playing. They play all
• 51:28
  Speaker 6: kinds of weird stuff on the radio.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: So I'm like, I didn't really put it.
• 51:33
  Speaker 6: I was like, they would easily drag out an old
• 51:34
  Speaker 6: interview and play it. So I'm just like, it doesn't
• 51:37
  Speaker 6: necessarily pin it down. I think they pretend like it does,
• 51:40
  Speaker 6: but I'm like it, again, in its own little weird
• 51:42
  Speaker 6: artistic world that it exists in, it's timeless. Like, it
• 51:45
  Speaker 6: really is. And some of it, I think, is also, like,
• 51:48
  Speaker 6: set dressing, which is what brings me back. Because, I mean,
• 51:52
  Speaker 6: today I was noticing that. I'm like, why does that
• 51:55
  Speaker 6: animal head have a big blue bow around his neck? Like,
• 51:59
  Speaker 6: did I not see that before? Like, that's the point,
• 52:02
  Speaker 6: I think. And it was really early on when somebody,
• 52:04
  Speaker 6: I don't know if I just noticed it or something. Well,
• 52:06
  Speaker 6: I think they reference it when the audience, when you're screaming. But,
• 52:09
  Speaker 6: you know, that I think is the line. Why does
• 52:11
  Speaker 6: Scott have seven fucking forks? I'm like, that's the part
• 52:16
  Speaker 6: I was like, the fact that they bothered to put
• 52:18
  Speaker 6: seven forks at his place setting makes it kind of genius.
• 52:22
  Speaker 6: It really does.
• 52:23
  Speaker 14: At that 40th anniversary convention I went to, I saw
• 52:26
  Speaker 14: there's a Japanese cast, actually.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: And they came all the way over from Japan.
• 52:28
  Speaker 6: Okay, that's awesome.
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: Which is awesome. And they barely speak English.
• 52:32
  Speaker 14: And one of the girls was dressed as, like, a
• 52:36
  Speaker 14: leopard or a cat with a snake around her neck.
• 52:39
  Speaker 14: She's the set dresser. Yeah, I had no idea what
• 52:42
  Speaker 14: she was. And I was like, okay, that's a cool costume.
• 52:45
  Speaker 6: Because I did it earlier today.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: You know, she was body painted. She had the fangs.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: I was like, okay. And then when I was watching it,
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: the Ziegfeld, I was like, oh, my God.
• 52:53
  Speaker 6: There it is.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: She is dressed as a set piece.
• 52:57
  Speaker 6: That's so amazing. Yeah. You have to give people credit
• 53:00
  Speaker 6: when they get that deep into fandom. It's amazing.
• 53:04
  Speaker 14: It's funny to think about the set dressing and the
• 53:07
  Speaker 14: attention to detail that they had on that show or
• 53:10
  Speaker 14: on the movie. Because nowadays, movies, a lot of stuff
• 53:14
  Speaker 14: in the background is all CGI. They'll just add stuff.
• 53:17
  Speaker 14: But then, all that's physical.
• 53:19
  Speaker 6: Or even just because it's super low budget, oh, we're
• 53:23
  Speaker 6: slapping this bad sci-fi movie. You watch those sci-fi channel movies.
• 53:27
  Speaker 9: Yep.
• 53:28
  Speaker 6: Do you think anybody's putting that much detail into the
• 53:30
  Speaker 6: set dressing of a cheap movie like that?
• 53:33
  Speaker 9: No.
• 53:33
  Speaker 6: But these guys, like, there's a love to it there that, like,
• 53:37
  Speaker 6: I'm creating a thing. Maybe nobody's going to get it.
• 53:39
  Speaker 6: Maybe nobody's going to care. But it's, like, I'm still
• 53:41
  Speaker 6: going to put how much I care in this, in
• 53:44
  Speaker 6: each and every little weird thing that I place all
• 53:46
  Speaker 6: the stuff in, like... columbia into magenta's room room yes
• 53:50
  Speaker 6: what is all i'm like half the time he's dr
• 53:53
  Speaker 6: scott's been in past.
• 53:54
  Speaker 14: I'm like wait wait what is that what is that
• 53:55
  Speaker 14: i'm still finding things it's so much i.
• 53:57
  Speaker 6: Know that this far in we're still like wait have
• 54:00
  Speaker 6: i ever seen that before like.
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: It's i've been watching the thing for 20 years now
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: yeah the fact that i'm still discovering new weird stuff
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: that i'm just like that's that's insane and shows that
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: it's not a half-assed movie like It's bad in some respects,
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: but it's also phenomenal in others.
• 54:17
  Speaker 6: It literally has everything.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: That you could possibly want.
• 54:20
  Speaker 6: And more. And more. Again, I think part of the tone,
• 54:24
  Speaker 6: I was trying to note this watching it this time,
• 54:27
  Speaker 6: why I still feel like it works even is weird
• 54:30
  Speaker 6: and strange in the fact that it's a musical which
• 54:33
  Speaker 6: normally does not work. I think because it also like
• 54:37
  Speaker 6: for as much as I said before, it takes itself seriously.
• 54:39
  Speaker 6: It also knows what style it is and I think
• 54:42
  Speaker 6: it it probably helped that it was a play because
• 54:45
  Speaker 6: it has this very theatrical feel to it as well.
• 54:47
  Speaker 6: Literally they're pulling back curtains, half the movie. So it's like,
• 54:50
  Speaker 6: it has a very, you're watching this weird play kind
• 54:54
  Speaker 6: of feel to it that when, you know, when you
• 54:57
  Speaker 6: go to a play, you're like, it's okay. Like, you know,
• 54:59
  Speaker 6: you're sitting in a room, you're watching these people.
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: It's not real.
• 55:02
  Speaker 6: So there is this, like sometimes you can get away
• 55:04
  Speaker 6: with things in play that you will totally call bullshit
• 55:06
  Speaker 6: on the movie. And I feel like this skates the line.
• 55:08
  Speaker 6: There's times like, well, I'm just watching a movie of
• 55:10
  Speaker 6: a play. So they can do whatever they want, right?
• 55:12
  Speaker 6: It gives it that license to be weird in theater.
• 55:15
  Speaker 14: You know, when you're in a theater, you have to,
• 55:18
  Speaker 14: I guess, overact, so to speak, to reach the audience.
• 55:20
  Speaker 14: And there's a lot of overacting in that movie as well.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: But it works for the characters.
• 55:25
  Speaker 6: And then there's the weird little stuff that I'm like,
• 55:28
  Speaker 6: did they mean to do that? Does Richard O'Brien know
• 55:32
  Speaker 6: his thumb is doing that? I'm watching the bouncing thumb
• 55:35
  Speaker 6: and I'm just like, did he really piece together? I'm
• 55:39
  Speaker 6: going to do this and make sure it's in frame.
• 55:41
  Speaker 14: During the time warp when he's brushing the bagel off.
• 55:44
  Speaker 14: When I was in the cast, I made sure to
• 55:46
  Speaker 14: do that exactly how he was doing it in the
• 55:49
  Speaker 14: screen and when I would play Riff Raff. One of
• 55:52
  Speaker 14: my favorite parts in that movie actually, and I don't
• 55:54
  Speaker 14: know if a lot of people realize it, is the
• 55:56
  Speaker 14: dinner scene. when they when they pull the the tablecloth
• 56:00
  Speaker 14: off okay spoilers everybody when they pull the table yeah
• 56:03
  Speaker 14: when they when they pull it off and there's eddie
• 56:06
  Speaker 14: under the table apparently the cast did not know that.
• 56:10
  Speaker 6: I dread that too yeah they i think frank knew
• 56:13
  Speaker 6: it and eddie knew it because he modeled for some
• 56:16
  Speaker 6: sort of but which again it just looks like a
• 56:18
  Speaker 6: bad skeleton but yeah it's like I think, yeah. Obviously
• 56:22
  Speaker 6: Richard O'Brien knew.
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: The shock and the surprise. I mean, that was a genuine.
• 56:26
  Speaker 6: Again, that's kind of clever. It's one of those weird
• 56:29
  Speaker 6: tricks that directors do that like, is it not cool
• 56:33
  Speaker 6: to mess with your actors that much?
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: They did it in Alien.
• 56:36
  Speaker 6: But yeah, same thing. They had no idea that was coming.
• 56:39
  Speaker 6: I'm like, it's a fine line. There is a point
• 56:42
  Speaker 6: where you're like, are you kind of screwing over your
• 56:45
  Speaker 6: actors by not being honest with them? Or at the
• 56:48
  Speaker 6: same time, is the art the more important thing? And
• 56:50
  Speaker 6: you're trying to get a genuine.
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: I think the art is the most important.
• 56:52
  Speaker 6: I think if you're not... I mean, it can skate
• 56:55
  Speaker 6: the line because Hitchcock used to do that stuff too.
• 56:57
  Speaker 6: But he was brutal about it.
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: Didn't he view his actors as cattle?
• 57:01
  Speaker 9: Yes.
• 57:02
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's what I thought. And he would literally play
• 57:06
  Speaker 6: them against each other because that would help them. He
• 57:08
  Speaker 6: would tell them off screen. He would be telling them
• 57:11
  Speaker 6: that this person's talking about you. Because on screen, they're
• 57:14
  Speaker 6: supposed to have tension. And now they have tension. And
• 57:16
  Speaker 6: I'm like, Jesus, he's a genius. But that might be
• 57:20
  Speaker 6: crossing the line.
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: But Rocky Horror is so campy and so kitschy. And
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: I think it... it didn't matter.
• 57:27
  Speaker 14: Everybody was in on it and they knew what they
• 57:29
  Speaker 14: were doing. So the surprise was just like, wow, this
• 57:31
  Speaker 14: is awesome. And I'm sure Barry Bosco was like, yeah,
• 57:34
  Speaker 14: this is a surprise and now I'm going to run around.
• 57:36
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 57:36
  Speaker 6: With that, I think it definitely works for them. And
• 57:39
  Speaker 6: I think everybody would have enjoyed.
• 57:40
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 57:40
  Speaker 6: I think that's part of it too. I think you
• 57:42
  Speaker 6: do get sort of a mood that everybody there was
• 57:45
  Speaker 6: having fun. Yeah. And they know they're, again, they're not
• 57:48
  Speaker 6: taking that part of it very seriously. Jim's behind the
• 57:51
  Speaker 6: camera being super serious about it. And, The songs have
• 57:54
  Speaker 6: their moments of seriousness, too, but I think it's still
• 57:57
  Speaker 6: like I'm watching the three of them dancing as Eddie's
• 58:00
  Speaker 6: riding around, and I'm like, they just look like it
• 58:03
  Speaker 6: doesn't even match. They're not even choreographed. They're just dancing
• 58:06
  Speaker 6: around having fun.
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: Just kind of shaking, shimmy.
• 58:09
  Speaker 6: I think that kind of works. I think that's the
• 58:11
  Speaker 6: same vibe that you're in the theater picking up on,
• 58:13
  Speaker 6: and you kind of just are having fun. It's so
• 58:16
  Speaker 6: many weird elements that seem like they would cancel each
• 58:19
  Speaker 6: other out, but it doesn't. It's a phenomenal movie.
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: The overkill works in this case.
• 58:25
  Speaker 6: Well, even as much as like the comic wipes. Again,
• 58:29
  Speaker 6: going back to our fun, like loving comic books. I'm like,
• 58:32
  Speaker 6: it's an episode of Batman. It's like, it was also,
• 58:34
  Speaker 6: I was thinking Star Wars does those weird wipes. They do, yeah.
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: At that point. They do the wipes.
• 58:39
  Speaker 6: It's a 70s thing of like, we've just got this
• 58:41
  Speaker 6: new technology to. Make these weird, crazy wipes. I'm sure
• 58:44
  Speaker 6: it actually was around for years. But nobody wanted to
• 58:46
  Speaker 6: use it because it was so campy and so over
• 58:48
  Speaker 6: the top. But theirs is to the point of dripping blood.
• 58:52
  Speaker 7: Oh, yes.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: I love the fonts for the beginning.
• 58:54
  Speaker 6: It's so fun.
• 58:55
  Speaker 14: Oh, and the funny thing about the fonts at the
• 58:57
  Speaker 14: beginning is they tell you exactly who the characters are
• 59:00
  Speaker 14: when the credits come up.
• 59:01
  Speaker 6: Which is the only clue you get. I was watching
• 59:04
  Speaker 6: it going like, this is it. Otherwise, you have no
• 59:06
  Speaker 6: idea who Dr. Scott is when he shows.
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: The hero, the heroine.
• 59:10
  Speaker 6: All of them. You can kind of get the basic archetypes,
• 59:13
  Speaker 6: but the ex-delivery boy, you would have no idea. I
• 59:16
  Speaker 6: remember the very first time watching it going, wait, how
• 59:20
  Speaker 6: is all this going to come into play? Why are
• 59:21
  Speaker 6: you telling me this weird information? And then it kind
• 59:24
  Speaker 6: of does.
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: It all applies.
• 59:25
  Speaker 6: You kind of need that later as you're like, wait,
• 59:27
  Speaker 6: why is he in the freezer? So yeah, it all
• 59:31
  Speaker 6: kind of comes together eventually.
• 59:33
  Speaker 4: I say that life is an illusion.
• 59:38
  Speaker 10: There are those who say that life is an illusion.
• 59:42
  Speaker 10: Life is simply a figment of the imagination. If this
• 59:47
  Speaker 10: is so, then Brad and Janet are quite safe. However,
• 59:52
  Speaker 10: the sudden departure of their host and his creation... into
• 59:59
  Speaker 10: the subclusion of his somber bridal suite, had left them
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 10: feeling both apprehensive and uneasy. A feeling which grew as
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 10: the other guests departed, and they were shown to their
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 10: separate rooms.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: There's the horror aspect of it, which I love.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 6: Schlocky horror.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 7: Oh, yes.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's the sci-fi, and then there's the horror aspect, which, again,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: Oakley Court, the castle that they filmed in, was also
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: the castle for a lot of Hammer horror films. And again,
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: the movie itself is paying homage to Hammer horror films
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: and the old B films. But there's the horror aspect.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: There's the mutilation. There's the murder.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 6: The pick is pretty bloody and gross. Exactly.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: Oh, even the creation of Rocky, which is like, you know,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: there you go.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 6: Amazing Kool-Aid machine. Well, that's the thing. And again, this
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 6: was one that occurred to me at the time. I
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 6: was like, it's got such a reputation for the debauchery
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 6: that goes on around it. But I'm like, if you
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 6: just look at the movie, nothing really happens. I feel
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 6: like you could show the movie to a kid. You
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 6: wouldn't want to take them to the theater. But I'm like,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 6: there's no nudity unless you count the peaky nipples. There's
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 6: not really any really bad language because you kind of
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 6: lose that one fuck. You don't even notice that in
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 6: that song.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: There is some sexuality.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 6: There is, but it's also like a kid isn't even
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 6: going to get it. It's so silly and staged.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: I didn't get a lot of stuff that was going
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: on when I was a kid.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 6: You don't get it. So I'm like, there's so much
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 6: of the stuff that makes these horrible R-rated movies. I'm like,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 6: none of that's there. it's R for tone, it's R
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 6: for suggestiveness, but like, you don't really get hardly anything
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 6: that would normally make it an R rated movie.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 14: Rocky's raps, you know, it's like my, Frankenstein, it's like,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 14: oh my God, he's basically Frankenstein's creature, you know? I
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 14: think the tank that they used for that actually was
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 14: used in a Hammer horror film prior.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 6: It sounds like what they would have done, yeah. But
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 6: even like the weird, subtle, like I don't, I don't
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 6: know how much I, I had always noticed the weird
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 6: insignia on Frank, but I don't think I knew that it,
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 6: they bothered to use it as having meaning. And actually like,
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 6: it's very strange that like, that's a very serious thing
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 6: that they worked into this. If you go into it and,
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 6: and buy that they were that forward thinking. Cause again,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 6: people weren't really yay gay pride at that time. You know,
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 6: it's like it was going on, but most of it
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 6: was pretty hidden in society. Like you had your clubs
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 6: that you went to and that was pretty much it.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 6: You didn't tell anybody. So the fact that they work
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 6: this in and using it as like a, a, Nazi
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 6: reference like it's very like a weird serious little aspect
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 6: and also a very like progressive move to make in
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 6: the 70s you know in the mid 70s to be
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 6: like we're gonna put this here you're not necessarily gonna
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 6: know it unless you know it unless you know it
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 6: unless you're in on the in club if you're one
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 6: of the people in the audience probably so I'm like
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 6: I again that was massively like a weird serious note
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 6: thrown in this very silly you know goings on that
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 6: like I don't know. I just, I think it just,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 6: I'd always noticed it. I don't think I knew that
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 6: that's what it was for years. And just was like, wow,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 6: that adds a weird layer of seriousness to it. That
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 6: concentration camp insignia. Did you ever.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: Notice the tattoo on his side, the 4711?
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 14: When I found out that that's like a cologne, I
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 14: was like, oh my God, I have to buy that.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 6: I need that.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: And of course I did. And I went out and
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: bought it. I was like, well, this smells terrible. And
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: you also have boss on it. But it came with
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: a free shirt that said 4711. So for a brief time,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: I was walking around with my 4711 shirt.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 6: But yeah, there's just those weird wild cards thrown in.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 6: And I'm like, I don't even know what to do
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 6: with that. Like, that's too serious.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 14: The symbol, like the Transylvanian symbol, you see it briefly
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 14: on Riff Raff's gun, the lightning bolt, you know.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: I think it's on the flag, on the flagpole, right?
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 14: So I did a series of Rocky Horror Portraits.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: I actually started doing this like two years ago.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 14: I decided, you know, I'm going to make some artwork
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 14: and I'm going to base it off this movie that
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 14: I love. So I've been making portraits of each character.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 14: So they do like a Rocky convention every year. So
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 14: I do three every year. So the first convention that
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 14: I went to a couple years ago, I did a
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 14: portrait of Frankenfurter, Riffraff, and Magenta. And then a Chicago
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 14: convention after that. I did Meatloaf, Janet, and Brad. And
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 14: this last one I did Rocky, Dr. Scott, and Columbia.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 14: So I include the lightning bolt in every single painting.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 14: It's like the unofficial insignia.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 6: Yeah, the movie meltdown kind of organizes or puts together
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 6: this whole... I started it years ago, even pre-show. I
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 6: was doing a movie geek art show, and it was
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 6: just everybody... Again, there's so much crossover. It's like everybody
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 6: who's an artist is also usually a huge movie fan.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 6: So I'm like, okay, you guys do whatever you want.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 6: This last one, we had a guy that did little...
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 6: I want to call it like six by six or
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 6: something like little portraits of the entire cast and had
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 6: all of them done. And they, they're very stylized his,
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 6: his type of portrait painting. And like, it was awesome.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 6: I killed me. I was like, where, because they, he
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 6: wasn't even charging much. I'm like, why are people not
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 6: buying these? Because they're so damn good. Cause the whole cast,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 6: I'm like, where are our Rocky fans at? Damn it.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 6: I kind of got on Facebook and called people out
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 6: for it.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: They are sleeping. I guess they spent all night at
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: the theater.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 6: They were up till four o'clock after this. hanging out
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 6: in the parking lot which is what also we used
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 6: to go on I was not that cool I didn't
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 6: hang out in the parking lot there was a lot
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 6: of Denny's for us for me I think people did
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 6: that too and then it was usually Denny's afterwards see
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 6: I still like for so much of it I was
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 6: still the kid that had no friends like usually by
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 6: the time you get there your friends have drug you
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 6: there which kind of happened but I still didn't take
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 6: that friend back all the time so it was a
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 6: lot of me sitting there by myself yeah maybe that's
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 6: part of.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 14: My weird attraction I want to like sing a sad
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 14: song for you but nobody knows what it's like Can.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 6: We get Richard O'Brien to write me a really sad
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 6: song about sitting in the theater all by myself?
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: I'm sure he's probably got one in his repertoire of music.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 6: Bust out his acoustic guitar. What's your favorite color? Magenta.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 5: Where do you get your pot?
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: Columbia. Go and assist Richard.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: I will entertain.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 6: Brad Majors?
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 4: Asshole.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: This is my fiancee, Janet Weiss. Weiss.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 15: Weiss?
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 7: Frank, do you speak French?
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 3: Enchanté.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 6: Well, nice.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: And what charming underclothes you both have. But here, put
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: these on.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: They'll make you feel less so vulnerable.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 12: It's not often we receive visitors here. Let alone offer
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 12: them hospitality.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: Hospitality? All we wanted to do was to use your telephone, goddammit,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: a reasonable request which you've chosen to ignore.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 15: God, don't be ungrateful.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: Ungrateful?
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 4: Superman!
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 6: There's a good time we haven't touched on. That cast. Again,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 6: watching it, I'm just like, It could have once again
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 6: fallen apart had it been given to bad actors and
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 6: like they're all so perfect.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 6: And maybe it helps that, again, you had a couple
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 6: of them doing the training on the stage for several years.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 6: But like Tim Curry at his breaking point of just
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 6: like you're there at the point where he first comes
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 6: on to film and he will continue to be weird
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 6: for the rest of his career.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 6: Because he was one I was like, it's not like
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 6: he ever really hit mainstream popularity. Everything he did is
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 6: weird cult. What? Weird stuff.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: One of my other favorites of his, Legend.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 6: Legend, he's amazing.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: For years, I did not know that was Tim Curry.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 6: He's the best part, too. Because otherwise, it's kind of
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 6: a clunky movie. But I'm like, he is... He is amazing.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 14: I mean, I used to rent that movie all the
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 14: time because I was a geeky kid.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 6: I was like, oh, it's fantasy.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: There's unicorns. There's this devil. I will watch this.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 14: And then I didn't realize that it was Tim Curry
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 14: until I was an adult. I was like, wait, that's Tim.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: Oh, shit.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 6: I probably saw it in my Starlog. But, yeah, it
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 6: was one of those I'm looking at and I'm just like, again,
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 6: Richard O'Brien brings such a weirdness to his, again, not
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 6: only did he write it, but he shows up and
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 6: is just, insane on screen his dead stares like you
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 6: cannot manufacture that he came that way just weird he
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 6: is and it's.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 14: Funny cause you know he's in some other movies and
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 14: he's like oh it's Richard O'Brien he's in Flash Gordon
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 14: briefly which Spice World Spice World and one of my
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 14: other favorites Dark City which is excellent it's.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 6: Such effective casting there you know it's like you need
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 6: this weird creepy bald guy hey who are we gonna
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 6: get obviously Richard O'Brien but even looking at you know
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 6: just magenta and Columbia and, casting Eddie to come in,
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 6: I'm like, he's kind of the perfect guy, you know?
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 6: Because that's the, like, you do get, like, all these other,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 6: you get schlocky horror throwing in, you get, you know,
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 6: cheesy sci-fi that you love. It's also a really hardcore
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 6: 50s rock and roll. Like, you need that.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: You need the greaser.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 6: 50s saxophone playing rock and roll. Like, that was, that's
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 6: at its core.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: He had the perfect voice for it.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I wonder seeing it before, because I think he
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 6: was the add-on when they came to America. And I'm like,
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 6: seeing it without Meatloaf, I'm wondering how weird it would be.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 14: Meatloaf is like my guilty pleasure, I guess. I love
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 14: listening to Meatloaf. I love Meatloaf and Jim Steinman together.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 14: I will often listen to Bad Outta Hell when I work,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 14: as well as the follow-up, Jim Steinman's Bad For Good.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 6: I have that. I have that at home right now.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: I will listen to that.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 6: You realize he's a... I won't say great songwriter. He's
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 6: a really interesting songwriter. And when he works, he works amazing.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 6: When he's off, he's off. But not the best.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: Like what the dance in your pants you're talking about.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 6: Go reference dance in your pants.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: Surf's Up, that's another. That one.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 6: But at the same time, you realize he's not really
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 6: a singer.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: You know what the funny thing is?
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 6: It was so good that he handed it over to Mr. Loaf.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 14: I had a lot of people that were like, oh,
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 14: you love Bad Outta Hell. You should listen to Bad
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 14: For Good, but I'm going to warn you. And I
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 14: was like, warn me about what? I'm going to warn
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 14: you about the vocals. And then I listened to it,
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 14: and I.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: Was like, oh, okay.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 6: There's a reason he's a songwriter.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 14: Yeah, and the funny thing is, though, as I was
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 14: listening to Bad For Good, it's like I can hear
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 14: how he was writing this for Meat Loaf's vocals. And
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 14: it's like, oh, it's such a shame that Meatloaf did
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 14: not do that album with him.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 6: Well, later he covered a few of them on that
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 6: second one. But that second one's not great. It's got
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 6: its moments. I have it.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: There's a, what is it, Bad Outta Health? Is it
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: the Bad Outta Health 3 you're talking about?
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 6: Well, I was talking about 2. I think he covers
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 6: one or two on 2. Okay. He probably comes back
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 6: and does more on 3.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 14: He did a Bad Outta Health 3 that I bought
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 14: because he covered the song Bad For Good, which I always.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: Wanted to hear. It's not, honestly, it's like, oh, it's
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: too late.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 6: At that time, that's the thing. Like there's a handful
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 6: of albums that I will reference as like kind of
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 6: perfect at being what they are. And that first bat
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 6: out of hell, like maybe you like it, maybe you don't,
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 6: but you kind of have to give like what it captures.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 6: It captures kind of perfectly in an album format. Like
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 6: it's not just singles. You can listen to that whole
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 6: thing and it's a thing. It's its own entity.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: It's the Rocky horror of grand operatic.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 6: So yeah, you see that just that casting, like it's just,
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 6: Everybody kind of works so well. And then you get,
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 6: I was thinking it's kind of its alternate version of
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 6: Ginger and Mary Ann. Are you a Columbia or are
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 6: you a magenta?
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 6: I was total magenta.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: See, I'm a riff-raff guy myself.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 6: I was just thinking, like, who are you into kind
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 6: of thing.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: It's funny.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 14: Like, I did a horror convention, and the special guest
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 14: were Barry Bostwick. Patricia Quinn, who played Magenta, and Little
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 14: Nell played Columbia.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: That's awesome.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 14: And it is funny. There are the Columbias and the Magentas.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 14: There's the people that gravitate towards one another. So I
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 14: got to hang out with some of them. I didn't
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 14: really get to hang out with Little Nell too much.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 14: She didn't really come up to the booth.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 6: She seems a little strange.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: She's awesome.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 6: But even at the time, she was like, that was
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 6: kind of her thing. She's like, I'm different. That's my thing.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: Patricia Quinn, though, is awesome.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 6: She seems pretty cool.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 14: She saw the artwork that I was doing. Actually, myself
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 14: and my girlfriend Katrina. And so every day at this convention,
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 14: Patricia would stop by the booth in the morning to
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 14: talk to us. And then she'd come back during the
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 14: afternoon to talk to us. And then in the evening
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 14: when she was leaving, she'd come back.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: To talk to us.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 14: And she told us some crazy fucking stories of hanging
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 14: out with David Bowie back.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: In the day.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 14: At one point, I don't know why she even brought
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 14: this up. She was like, I just want to tell you,
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 14: I fucking hate the Three Stooges.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, okay. Okay.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 6: You know, thanks for sharing. That's awesome.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 14: You know, she was telling me about meatloaf, hanging out
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 14: with meatloaf back in the day. And I mean, it
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 14: was just, it was like a side of Rocky Horror
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 14: that I never got to see.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: Just actually hanging out with him. Barry Boswick then would
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: come over and hang out.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 14: And at one point he saw the portrait that I
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 14: did of himself and I had prints of it. And,
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 14: and he was like, he was like, man, these, these
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 14: look really awesome. He's like, can I, can I buy one?
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 14: But you know, this is, this is Barry Boswick.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: This is Brad.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 14: This is the asshole, the hero of, And I was
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 14: just so happy.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: I was like, no, sir.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 7: No.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 6: I will not take your money.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 14: I said that to him. I was like, your money
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 14: is no good here. You will take whatever you want
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 14: for free.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: And he did.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 6: Just sign one on your way out.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 14: No, he actually signed one for Katrina and I and
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 14: gave it to us. But then he took some for himself.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 6: As he should.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 14: And he's such a nice guy, too. And he played
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 14: that part perfectly. I mean, he was Brad Majors.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 6: Again, that's what I was thinking, too, with watching them.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 6: I'm like, he has a very specific thing that he's doing. And, like,
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 6: you have to be able to nail that or you're
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 6: going to look silly. And, like, he nails it.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: Pulling the glasses off when he takes the glasses off.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 6: God damn it. He nails it. And then it's kind
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 6: of like counterbalance because what Susan Sarandon is doing is so...
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 6: genuine and like you see why she's gonna be this
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 6: great actress later because like amongst all the silliness she
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 6: is still pulling off this very realistic girl that's not
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 6: a caricature like Brad's kind of a caricature of like Mr.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 6: Hero but like and trying to be Mr. but he's
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 6: a big dork and we all know it but like
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 6: Janet comes off relatively real and like she's figuring out
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 6: this weird situation and her relationship and all and.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: Like it's pretty subtle she's opening up to ideas yeah.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 6: It's a pretty subtle performance in this very silly.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 14: Movie especially when she finds Rocky and he's injured And
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 14: she kind of looks to the side because she realizes.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, okay.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 6: She's a muscle fan.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: You know, it's like, well, there's the change. There's the acting.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 6: And, well, the moment in bed, you promise you won't
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 6: tell Brad. I'm like, oh, she's turned the corner. Now
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 6: she's a slut. But, again, watching that performance, I'm like,
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 6: that could be really bad. And, like, it's kind of not.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 6: It's kind of subtle.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 14: Oh speaking of the changes like my again i'm a
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 14: riffraff guy but my personal favorite is like you got
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 14: riffraff who plays this butler doesn't really say much throughout
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 14: the movie he sings the time warp which is a
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 14: very noticeable song but you know he just is in
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 14: the background doing his butlery things and but when he
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 14: comes in at the end in the space suit and
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 14: he interrupts the song and and yeah that's like one
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 14: of my favorite parts.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 6: Of it all together i love that and again my
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 6: they're they're my second wave of getting back because i
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 6: did my whole first run into rocky and then the
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 6: reason i got back into it was my friend sam
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 6: was part of the cast and was riffraff and my
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 6: every time he would come in at the end and
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 6: bust in through the back of the theater i'm like
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 6: oh god this part's.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 14: Awesome yeah that was as a when i used to
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 14: perform that was my favorite part as well was busting
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 14: in wearing the space suit and i'd sing that part
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 14: you know and it's kind of funny because you know
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 14: you end up realizing that oh shit this he's the
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 14: guy who's kind of in charge.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: He's taken over.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 14: And then when he gets done to his song, he
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 14: goes back to basically talking like the butler roof raft,
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 14: but he's still got the authoritative lines and he's still
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 14: got the gun, but he's doing it so subtly and,
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 14: you know.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 6: They never liked me.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: Oh, yes.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 6: I always love that reaction. They don't like me.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 7: They never liked me.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 6: I even found it feel bad for him. Even though
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 6: he screws over his quote unquote friend. Who beats him
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 6: and treats him horribly the whole rest of the week.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: You know, sacrifices, right?
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 6: It's a power play. That's how these things work. You
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 6: can't move your way up the space ladder unless you
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 6: stab some people in the back along the way.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: Or shoot them.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 6: With your cool three-pronged laser gun.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: With those awesome retro lasers that shoot out.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 6: Again, it's like, there's so much of it. Like, it
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 6: shows you it doesn't have to be huge budget to work. No. Now,
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 6: does it look realistic?
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 9: No. No.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 6: But you don't, what? It's, again, it's very comic book-y
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 6: at that point.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 3: It's pulpy.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 6: It's supposed to look cheesy.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: It fits the aesthetics of the film.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 6: It's so perfect.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: And that was one of the other reasons why I
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: loved it, was just the whole aesthetic of the film.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 6: And I think, again, it works so much because it's
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 6: super low budget. Like, they talked about, like, the guys that,
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 6: I guess, maybe it was one of the producers I
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 6: was watching, they was talking about how they gave them
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 6: that offer that, like, okay, we want to make this movie.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 6: You can have this huge budget, but we want big
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 6: rock stars of the day to be all the roles.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 6: Or you can take this lower dollar amount and go
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 6: with your Broadway or your off-Broadway London cast. And they
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 6: were like, we kind of want to stick with our cast.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 6: I wonder, that's when I think, what a train wreck
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 6: could it have been to have these huge cast.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: Pop stars i think it.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 14: Worked better to have the broadway cast honestly because they
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 14: had or not they were not the broadway cast because
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 14: uh they had been doing it they they knew what
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 14: roles they were doing they knew the the subtle nuances
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 14: and again that's if you watch it there are so
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 14: many subtle nuances to each character yeah.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 6: Sadly that get overlooked because we're screaming things the whole
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 6: time but i'm like yeah again the way tim plays
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 6: it the way richard bryan plays.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: It Patricia Quinn doesn't have a lot of lines, but
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: her eyes.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 6: There's a weird dynamic. Again, you go in, you're like,
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 6: what is up with this brother or sister? You don't
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 6: know what's going on with them. Again, way down the line,
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 6: you're like, okay, you're piecing some stuff together, but it
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 6: never spells a lot of that out.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: It's subtle.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 14: All of that would have been missing if they had
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 14: gone with any other actors or actresses.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 6: I think a huge budget would have changed the way
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 6: it looks. I think it looks... so amazing because it's
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 6: so stripped down. Granted, at the same time, it's rich
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 6: and has all this weird stuff, but there's other stuff
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 6: that is just completely minimalist.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 14: I think having a lower budget, in my opinion, actually
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 14: helps out movies in the long run.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: Star Wars, for example, I think about this. George Lucas
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: we all love the.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 6: Original Star Wars I think you're about to say the
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 6: thing I've said so many times he didn't.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 14: Have a lot to work with I mean he didn't
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 14: have a lot of money so you have to make
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 14: sacrifices that's why it's so creative yes and then when
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 14: you have money and everything at your disposal and you
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 14: can do whatever you want having the ability to do
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 14: whatever you want is not always good.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: For a story.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 6: I think when you have the money to get whatever
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 6: technology you want, it makes you lazy. I think when
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 6: you have nothing but yes men around you who will
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 6: not say no to what you want, it makes you
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 6: not creative. And when you don't have any of that,
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 6: you get. That's why I think those early films from
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 6: directors are so impressive when they work because they're passionate
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 6: and they find the most creative ways to do things.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 6: And they get the best performances out of people. And it's, yeah,
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 6: I think it makes a huge difference. It's amazing more,
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 6: I think, when you see a successful director that continues
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 6: to be able to make good films and continues to
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 6: do things that are sort of creative. That's an impressive
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 6: director because I guess it gets really.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: Easy to get lazy. It's really easy to make a
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: bad film.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 6: So when they come together and work, it's pretty impressive. Again,
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 6: I'm impressed when films get made, period. Hearing the stories
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 6: that I have and the train wrecks that fall apart
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 6: on people and they have millions of dollars invested and
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 6: still they can't make it work.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 7: Oh, yeah.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 6: So when I see one that's good and works, I'm
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 6: just like, how the hell did you do this?
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: Kind of reminds me of Alejandro Yodorovsky's Dune. Yodorovsky.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 14: I mean, he had everything for that movie and then
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 14: the financing didn't come through and it never got made.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 6: I was just on... That last episode you wrote, I
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 6: was telling Misty about Lost Soul. Have you seen that?
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen that one.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 6: It's the one about the island of Dr. Moreau.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 6: The 90s one with Val Kilmer and Marlon Brando. Oh, wait, yes.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 6: And Brando is just, he is tanking that thing from
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 6: the inside. And some of it's just him being crazy.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 6: And then you'll hear quotes from the other actors going, no,
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 6: he said this to me. Like, he knew, this is bullshit.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 6: I'm not going to put any work into it. I'm
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 6: not going to learn my lines. Like, he did not
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 6: care and was going out of his way to just,
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 6: completely destroy this movie. And Kilmer wasn't much better. He
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 6: was being a prissy star asshole.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: Well, after Real Genius, I think it was all downhill
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: for him.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 6: Hey, he just came off of Batman.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: That's true, but Real Genius, though.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 6: I think, arguably, the worst Batman in the book. Clooney,
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 6: I just feel bad for. You can see in his face,
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 6: he's like, I don't know what I'm doing here either, guys.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 6: I just feel bad for him in those.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: I like Clooney. I liked him in Roseanne, actually, for
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: the brief time he was on there.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 6: Facts of life, man. He turned in some quality mullet.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: I didn't know he was on Facts of Life.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah, the last couple of seasons, I think. He had
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 6: that bad hair going. That Return of the Killer Tomatoes hair.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 3: Oh, man.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 6: He has his, again, he didn't end up on the top.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 6: He worked his way to the top.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 15: Nice.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 6: Making bad B-movies and working on Facts of Life.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 9: Yep.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 6: Little did you know. So, Rocky. We've gone from Facts
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 6: of Life and George Clooney.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: Val Kilmer, Real Genius, Rocky Horror.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 6: Is there anything we want to round out? Is there
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 6: anything we've forgotten? How could we overlook that? I don't know.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 14: Honestly, the one thing that I think people don't realize is, again,
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 14: I mentioned it earlier, is just how much that movie
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 14: literally has everything.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 6: It kind of does.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 14: You like rock and roll, it's got rock and roll.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 14: You like sci-fi, it's got sci-fi. You like horror, it's
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 14: got a lot of horror aspects to it.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 6: It has a character for everyone to sort of identify
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 6: with because they're such archetypes. You always have, even if
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 6: you don't necessarily relate to them, you find your favorite.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 6: You're always like, ah, I love Magenta. Oh, Riff Raff's awesome.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 6: Everybody kind of has. And Frank's just his own thing.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 14: And the movie, I mean, it had such a long-lasting effect.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 14: I mean, it's... been 40 years now it's celebrating its
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 14: 40th anniversary and i think it is on record the
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 14: longest running movie continually continually moving theaters and it has
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 14: affected like so many people like for me i met
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 14: all of my creative friends i met through rocky or
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 14: a picture show uh actually i had mentioned my my
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 14: buddy sean steller he's out on the east coast he
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 14: just finished up.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: A two-year documentary and about the fans of the Rocky
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: Horror Picture Show and how they've kept it alive.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 6: Which is equally, if not more of an interesting story
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 6: than just the making of kind of stuff, you know?
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: Which I would like to plug that. Can I plug that?
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 6: Go to it.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 7: Oh, yes.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 14: So, Sean Stutler worked on this film called Rocky Horror
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 14: Saved My Life.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: And you can find it at RockyHorrorSavedMyLife.com. And actually, he
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: just finished it.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 14: And so, like those Rocky Horror portraits, you know, I
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 14: did a lot of that for the film.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: I did a lot of.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 14: he funded it through Kickstarter. We were talking about how
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 14: hard it is to make a film nowadays. So he
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 14: did a Kickstarter and ended up getting like $ 60, 000, which
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 14: he used to travel to go to different parts of
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 14: the country, interviewing people, cast members. And so I ended
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 14: up doing, I think, like 40 paintings as rewards for.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: The Kickstarter backers.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 6: That's awesome.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: And then writing a lot of music for it.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 14: But that film, Rocky Horse Saved My Life, is very
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 14: it's almost like the ken burns documentary of why this
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 14: movie has been going on for 40 years and it's
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 14: because of people like you and me who have been
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 14: watching it and why it affects us and why we
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 14: love it.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 6: I think that that is what you start to take
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 6: when you're looking at it because that's what i was
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 6: looking at all this stuff that i was pulling out
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 6: that i have it's all from all these anniversaries and
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 6: like some of it's like the 15th anniversary and i'm
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 6: like we're 40 now.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 7: 40.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 6: Like, that's crazy that I've been watching and buying crap
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 6: related to it for all these years now.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 14: They got the Funko Pops now. I mean, so, actually,
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 14: the Funko Pops, and then they're coming out with an actual, like,
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 14: three and a half inch line of, like, action figures,
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 14: like on blister packs, you know?
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 6: They had, like, those big, those full-size action figures that
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 6: came out, like, in the mid-2000s that looked pretty bad, actually.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 6: But the fact that they were doing it, like, I.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: Think Suncoast was selling them, I think.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 6: I was working there. I was putting them on the shelf.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 14: I never bought those because I looked at them. I
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 14: was like, well, that Columbia doesn't quite look right.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 6: So I will pass. Yeah, they weren't quite up to
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 6: those McFarland standards at the time. Now there's so many
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 6: other people doing good work. But then that was pretty
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 6: much the only people that made one that kind of
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 6: looked like the actual people. If they could get the
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 6: likeness right, which becomes its own little battle.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 6: But yeah, I think that's, I think that's what you
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 6: take away is like, that's why we're sitting here trying
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 6: to figure out why it's so timeless because it is.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 6: It appeals in some way, shape.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 14: Or form to, to somebody in, in the most odd ways.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 14: I mean, like I said, I mean me, I like
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 14: it for the all encompassing aspect of it, but yeah,
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 14: you've got all the archetypes, you've got all the genres.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 6: New kids coming in. And that's, that's amazing that, Again,
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 6: because how many things the next generation comes along and goes,
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 6: what the hell is this? And they won't touch it.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 6: It's like, ugh, that is so last decade. And like
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 6: 40 years, we haven't had that. So it's like the
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 6: fact that they're still showing up. They're still putting on
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 6: the fishnets.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: It's impressive.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: It will continue to be impressive.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 6: I think so.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 11: Hopefully.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 6: I think it will. I think we've put a nice
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 6: dent in it. We've covered many aspects here.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 9: Cool.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: Excellent.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 6: Uncovered the mystery. So thank you for joining us. Thank
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 6: you for having me. Once again, tell people what to Google.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 14: You can Google Epion 5. And then also, if you
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 14: want to check out the music and some of the
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 14: artwork for the documentary that I did, just check out RockyHorrorSaveMyLife.com.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: Definitely.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 6: Glad to have you be part of it. And now
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 6: I want to see this movie, too.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 9: Awesome.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 6: Very cool. Otherwise, thank you guys for joining us on
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 6: this fun Rocky Horror retrospective. And we will return next time.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 6: Same Geek Feed. Thanks for listening.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 11: Whatever happened to Ferry.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 16: That delicate, satin-draped friend As it clung to her thigh,
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 16: how I started to cry. Because I wanted to be
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 16: dressed just the same.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: One, two, three, four.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 8: Can you just see it? We've got to get out
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 8: of this trap before it's too late. Step on up,
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 8: cause love is gone. Try to hang on.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 7: Where's my money?
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 8: Well, it's never in my life.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 4: Sincere Hey! Do any of you guys know how to Madison?
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 5: I do the rock myself!
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