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- 0:00Speaker 1: On an evening in September of 2017, a woman living
- 0:03Speaker 1: in Massachusetts came home from work to an empty house.
- 0:06Speaker 1: Her boyfriend was gone, but she saw that his wallet
- 0:08Speaker 1: and his phone were still right there on the counter,
- 0:11Speaker 1: and also on the kitchen table were three fairly conspicuous envelopes. Confused,
- 0:17Speaker 1: she walked over to the envelopes and she began to
- 0:19Speaker 1: open them. One of them was her boyfriend's last will
- 0:22Speaker 1: and testament. Another was a note that was for her.
- 0:25Speaker 1: And the third was was a letter that was addressed
- 0:28Speaker 1: to the family of a woman who had been murdered
- 0:30Speaker 1: 25 years earlier. But before we get into today's story,
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- 1:24Speaker 1: On the afternoon of April 15, 1992, a 24-year-old woman
- 1:28Speaker 1: named Lisa Ziegert drove through the quiet suburban streets of Agawam, Massachusetts.
- 1:33Speaker 1: And eventually, she pulled into a shopping plaza in the
- 1:36Speaker 1: center of town, which was full of shops and restaurants
- 1:38Speaker 1: and bars. So Lisa was a teacher's aide at the
- 1:41Speaker 1: local middle school. And while teaching was definitely her passion,
- 1:45Speaker 1: the reality was being a teacher's aide did not pay
- 1:49Speaker 1: very well. So to earn some extra money, she also
- 1:51Speaker 1: worked the evening shift at a store called Brittany's Card
- 1:54Speaker 1: and Gift Shop, which sold things like birthday cards and
- 1:56Speaker 1: stuffed animals and music boxes. As she drove through the
- 1:59Speaker 1: lot looking for a parking space, she passed by a
- 2:02Speaker 1: chicken restaurant where her friend Ed Borgatti worked. So Ed
- 2:06Speaker 1: shared a house with Lisa's boyfriend, Blair Masoya, as well
- 2:09Speaker 1: as Lisa's sister, Lynn. So the four of them were
- 2:12Speaker 1: all pretty close. And so as Lisa found her spot
- 2:15Speaker 1: and parked her car and got out, She thought about
- 2:18Speaker 1: popping into the restaurant to say hi to Ed, who
- 2:20Speaker 1: was also working that day. But when she checked her time,
- 2:23Speaker 1: she thought better of it, and instead she just walked
- 2:25Speaker 1: straight to the gift store to start her shift. A
- 2:28Speaker 1: few hours later, around 7 p.m., Lisa sat behind the
- 2:31Speaker 1: counter at the gift store, humming along to the song
- 2:34Speaker 1: that was playing on the overhead speakers. Lisa was the
- 2:36Speaker 1: only employee on duty during the evening shifts, and she
- 2:39Speaker 1: was there until the store closed at 9 p.m. And
- 2:43Speaker 1: working alone so late at night, definitely made her a
- 2:46Speaker 1: little bit anxious. And, you know, she did every now
- 2:48Speaker 1: and again have issues with problem customers. And so she
- 2:52Speaker 1: was just always kind of a bit on edge, especially considering,
- 2:55Speaker 1: you know, some rowdy people often came out of the
- 2:58Speaker 1: pool hall that was just a few doors down and
- 3:00Speaker 1: they sometimes came in the shop and were just kind
- 3:02Speaker 1: of a handful. And on top of all that, there
- 3:05Speaker 1: was something else going on that Lisa actually couldn't quite explain. Lately,
- 3:10Speaker 1: she'd been having this weird feeling that somebody was watching
- 3:13Speaker 1: her through the windows of the store. So as Lisa
- 3:16Speaker 1: is sitting behind the counter feeling, you know, very anxious
- 3:19Speaker 1: and sort of stressed about the night, she hears the
- 3:21Speaker 1: sound of the door to the shop opening. There was
- 3:23Speaker 1: a bell above the door that jingled every time the
- 3:26Speaker 1: door opened. And so she whipped around to see who
- 3:28Speaker 1: it was. And she was very relieved to see that
- 3:31Speaker 1: it was actually just her older sister, Lynn, not some
- 3:33Speaker 1: random customer who might be a problem. Lisa was really
- 3:36Speaker 1: close with Lynn. And sometimes her sister would just stop
- 3:39Speaker 1: by to chat and keep Lisa company, especially during her
- 3:43Speaker 1: evening shifts. So Lynn walked in and asked Lisa how
- 3:46Speaker 1: things were going and Lisa said it was fine. And
- 3:49Speaker 1: then eventually she sort of shifted the conversation to how,
- 3:52Speaker 1: you know, Lisa was still sort of upset that she
- 3:54Speaker 1: had not been able to land a full-time teaching job yet.
- 3:57Speaker 1: She told Lynn that what she really wanted here was just,
- 3:59Speaker 1: you know, a teaching job that paid better than what
- 4:02Speaker 1: she had now so that she could quit this gift
- 4:04Speaker 1: store job. Not only because this late night shift really
- 4:07Speaker 1: creeped her out, but also because she'd be able to
- 4:10Speaker 1: spend more time with her boyfriend Blair if she just
- 4:12Speaker 1: had this full-time teaching job instead of splitting these two jobs.
- 4:16Speaker 1: And so the two sisters continued to chat for about
- 4:18Speaker 1: a half an hour, and then Lisa walked Lynn to
- 4:20Speaker 1: the door and waved goodbye. And as Lisa watched her
- 4:24Speaker 1: sister drive away in her car, Lisa suddenly became aware
- 4:27Speaker 1: of the fact that the parking lot of this plaza
- 4:29Speaker 1: was really full tonight, and there were lines of cars
- 4:33Speaker 1: of people honking at each other trying to get the
- 4:35Speaker 1: few remaining spots. And as Lisa stood there in the
- 4:38Speaker 1: gift shop's doorway, she looked over and saw that the
- 4:41Speaker 1: owner of the carpet shop next door, James Dent, was
- 4:44Speaker 1: closing up. And James, he looked over, saw Lisa, and
- 4:47Speaker 1: he made a comment about how crazy the parking lot
- 4:49Speaker 1: was tonight. And Lisa was like, yeah, it gets pretty
- 4:52Speaker 1: busy at night, but this is even crazier than usual.
- 4:55Speaker 1: After that, the two said goodbye and they went their
- 4:57Speaker 1: separate ways. And Lisa, she turned right around and went
- 5:00Speaker 1: back inside the gift store. About an hour later, around 8.20 p.m.,
- 5:06Speaker 1: Lisa rang up a customer at the counter. She handed
- 5:08Speaker 1: the customer his change and his receipt and told him
- 5:10Speaker 1: to have a good night. And then once he was gone,
- 5:12Speaker 1: she went into the back room to take inventory before closing.
- 5:16Speaker 1: After such a long and stressful day, Lisa was really
- 5:19Speaker 1: glad that her shift was nearly over. In about 40 minutes,
- 5:22Speaker 1: she was going to close up the shop and then
- 5:24Speaker 1: maybe walk over to see if Ed was still working
- 5:26Speaker 1: at the restaurant, chat with him for a bit, and
- 5:28Speaker 1: then head home. But just then... Lisa heard the sound
- 5:32Speaker 1: of that bell on the door, which meant somebody was
- 5:34Speaker 1: coming in. So she stepped out of the back to
- 5:37Speaker 1: see who it was. The next morning, so April 16, 1992,
- 5:42Speaker 1: Detective Wayne Macy of the Agawam Police Department stepped into
- 5:46Speaker 1: Brittany's card and gift shop. When he got in there,
- 5:49Speaker 1: he saw that there were already officers from his department
- 5:51Speaker 1: putting up crime scene tape and taking photos of the scene.
- 5:54Speaker 1: One of the officers came over to Macy to fill
- 5:56Speaker 1: him in. And they explained that that morning, one of
- 6:00Speaker 1: the employees from this gift shop had called 911. And
- 6:03Speaker 1: what she said is she got to work that morning
- 6:06Speaker 1: to start her shift at the gift shop. And right
- 6:08Speaker 1: away when she arrived, she noticed something odd. She saw
- 6:12Speaker 1: one of her co-workers, Lisa Ziegert, who normally worked the
- 6:15Speaker 1: night shift and closed the shop down. She saw her
- 6:18Speaker 1: car was out in the parking lot. And so that
- 6:20Speaker 1: was odd because she shouldn't be here. She works at night.
- 6:23Speaker 1: And then this woman who ultimately called 911, her name
- 6:26Speaker 1: is Sophia, she went up to the storefront and found
- 6:29Speaker 1: the door was unlocked. And also when she stepped inside,
- 6:32Speaker 1: all the lights were on and the overhead speakers were
- 6:34Speaker 1: still playing. And so, you know, Sophia's thinking, that's odd. Like,
- 6:37Speaker 1: is Lisa working this morning or something? But she searched
- 6:40Speaker 1: the whole store and Lisa was nowhere to be found,
- 6:44Speaker 1: even though all her belongings were still in the store.
- 6:47Speaker 1: And so ultimately... She called the police. The officer also
- 6:50Speaker 1: told Macy that they had already spoken to the man
- 6:53Speaker 1: who owned the shop right next door, the carpet shop.
- 6:56Speaker 1: And the owner of that store said he had actually
- 6:58Speaker 1: spoken to Lisa the night before around maybe 7.30 p.m.
- 7:02Speaker 1: And at the time, she was acting totally normal, seemed
- 7:05Speaker 1: very happy. They were just talking about, you know, how
- 7:07Speaker 1: hectic the parking lot was that night. Detective Macy asked
- 7:10Speaker 1: the officer if anyone had been in touch with any
- 7:13Speaker 1: of Lisa's family or friends to see if anybody had
- 7:16Speaker 1: heard from her or seen her. And the officer said
- 7:18Speaker 1: that they had been in touch with those people and
- 7:21Speaker 1: that no, no one had seen or heard from her
- 7:23Speaker 1: since last night. Additionally, the officer said that Lisa's roommate
- 7:27Speaker 1: had said Lisa never came home. And she also had
- 7:30Speaker 1: not shown up to her other job at the middle
- 7:32Speaker 1: school that morning where she was a teacher's aide. At
- 7:35Speaker 1: this point, the officer told Macy that, hey, you just
- 7:38Speaker 1: got to come in the back of the store because
- 7:40Speaker 1: what we found in there make it really obvious that
- 7:42Speaker 1: what we're dealing with here is foul play. So Macy said,
- 7:46Speaker 1: all right, you know, lead the way. And he followed
- 7:48Speaker 1: this officer into the back room of the shop. And
- 7:50Speaker 1: as soon as he looked inside, his heart sank. There
- 7:53Speaker 1: were all these cardboard boxes in the back room that
- 7:55Speaker 1: had been sort of flattened, like one or maybe multiple
- 7:58Speaker 1: people were laying on all these boxes. And there was
- 8:01Speaker 1: blood all over the boxes. And so based on this,
- 8:04Speaker 1: you know, it seemed pretty apparent to Macy and the
- 8:06Speaker 1: other officers that, you know, if Lisa is not here
- 8:09Speaker 1: right now, but her things are here, her car is here,
- 8:12Speaker 1: like she didn't disappear voluntarily. Like all the initial evidence
- 8:16Speaker 1: suggests that she was taken away by force. As Macy
- 8:21Speaker 1: was walking around this small back room, he noticed there
- 8:24Speaker 1: was actually a back door that had been left partially open,
- 8:27Speaker 1: that no officers had touched. So this is how it
- 8:29Speaker 1: was left. And he walked over and he opened this
- 8:32Speaker 1: door and he saw this door led to this narrow
- 8:35Speaker 1: back alley that ran behind the building. Also, as Macy
- 8:39Speaker 1: was looking at this back door, he looked down And
- 8:42Speaker 1: he saw what appeared to be, you know, pretty obvious
- 8:44Speaker 1: scuff marks across the ground, as if maybe somebody had
- 8:47Speaker 1: been dragged and their shoes had sort of scuffed the
- 8:50Speaker 1: ground on the way out. And so Macy stepped into
- 8:53Speaker 1: this back alleyway to see if there was any nearby
- 8:56Speaker 1: security cameras that could have potentially captured whatever happened back
- 9:00Speaker 1: here the night before, but he didn't see any. So
- 9:03Speaker 1: he left the alley and he went to the front
- 9:05Speaker 1: and he began going to the other stores in this
- 9:07Speaker 1: plaza to see if any of them had cameras that
- 9:11Speaker 1: potentially faced like the front of the shop. But Macy
- 9:14Speaker 1: was very disappointed to learn that none of these shops
- 9:17Speaker 1: had security cameras. So there was going to be no
- 9:20Speaker 1: footage of whatever happened here. And so at this point,
- 9:22Speaker 1: Macy knew this was going to be a really challenging
- 9:25Speaker 1: case to solve. Because he had no eyewitnesses, at least
- 9:28Speaker 1: not right now, and no security camera footage, it meant
- 9:32Speaker 1: there was no clear, easy way to try to figure
- 9:36Speaker 1: out what the assailant looked like, or what their car
- 9:39Speaker 1: could have looked like, or even what direction they might
- 9:41Speaker 1: have gone. like he had nothing. And so, Macy went
- 9:44Speaker 1: right to his car, he grabbed his radio, and he
- 9:46Speaker 1: called dispatch, and he told them to right now send
- 9:50Speaker 1: out search teams, police dogs, and scour every inch of
- 9:53Speaker 1: this area for any sign of Lisa. After that, Macy
- 9:57Speaker 1: went back inside the shop to check the cash register.
- 10:00Speaker 1: He figured if this was a robbery, that very likely
- 10:03Speaker 1: the money would be missing. But when he got in
- 10:05Speaker 1: there and he opened it up, the cash was still inside.
- 10:08Speaker 1: But Macy knew that violent attacks by random strangers was
- 10:12Speaker 1: pretty rare. More often than not, people who get killed
- 10:15Speaker 1: or people who get kidnapped are their perpetrator or perpetrators
- 10:20Speaker 1: are people they know. At some point, Macy pressed a
- 10:22Speaker 1: few buttons on the cash register and it began to
- 10:25Speaker 1: spit out this paper log of all the most recent transactions.
- 10:29Speaker 1: And Macy saw that the last purchase, at least as
- 10:32Speaker 1: reflected on this register, was made with cash at 8.20 p.m.
- 10:36Speaker 1: the night before. And for the first time, Macy actually
- 10:39Speaker 1: felt a surge of optimism about this case because this
- 10:43Speaker 1: was a very helpful clue. Since the gift store closed
- 10:46Speaker 1: at 9 p.m., this narrowed down the time window significantly.
- 10:50Speaker 1: It meant the attack likely happened in the 40 minutes
- 10:54Speaker 1: between that transaction at 8.20 and closing at 9 p.m.,
- 10:57Speaker 1: a time when very few of the other businesses in
- 11:00Speaker 1: the plaza were open, except for the restaurants and pool hall.
- 11:12Speaker 1: That afternoon, Detective Macy knocked on the door of Lisa's
- 11:15Speaker 1: parents' house. The search at the shopping plaza was now
- 11:18Speaker 1: fully underway, and a team of officers was already searching
- 11:21Speaker 1: Lisa's apartment across town for clues. And in the meantime,
- 11:25Speaker 1: Macy wanted to speak to Lisa's family and see if
- 11:27Speaker 1: they knew anything. When Lisa's mother opened the door, she
- 11:30Speaker 1: looked frantic, but she also seemed relieved that a police
- 11:34Speaker 1: officer was finally there to fill her in on what
- 11:36Speaker 1: was happening. And so she told Macy to come in.
- 11:39Speaker 1: And Macy stepped into a house that was absolutely buzzing
- 11:42Speaker 1: with activity. As the detective entered the dining room, he
- 11:45Speaker 1: saw that at least a dozen people, most of them
- 11:48Speaker 1: around Lisa's age, were gathered around the table. They had
- 11:51Speaker 1: this big map spread out on the table and were
- 11:54Speaker 1: talking about maybe organizing their own search effort. And then
- 11:57Speaker 1: when they saw Detective Macy, they all sort of flocked
- 12:00Speaker 1: around him and began peppering him with questions about what
- 12:02Speaker 1: happened to Lisa. You know, where is she? Macy told
- 12:05Speaker 1: the group, which consisted mainly of friends and some family members,
- 12:08Speaker 1: that he would speak to all of them, one by one,
- 12:10Speaker 1: but in an orderly fashion. And he would start with
- 12:13Speaker 1: Lisa's mother. The group seemed to understand this and kind
- 12:15Speaker 1: of naturally throttled back. And then at that point, Macy
- 12:18Speaker 1: took Lisa's mother, they went into the living room, and
- 12:21Speaker 1: they sat down to talk. The first question he asked
- 12:23Speaker 1: her was, you know, do you know of anybody out
- 12:26Speaker 1: there who might have wanted to harm your daughter? And
- 12:29Speaker 1: Lisa's mother immediately said, like, no, no way. You know,
- 12:33Speaker 1: Lisa did not have any enemies. She was quite friendly,
- 12:36Speaker 1: very hardworking, and... really just stayed out of trouble. And
- 12:39Speaker 1: for the rest of this interview, which lasted, you know,
- 12:41Speaker 1: another 30 minutes or so, I mean, that really was
- 12:44Speaker 1: the sentiment that Lisa's mother communicated, that this was like
- 12:47Speaker 1: totally unheard of, that anything would happen to Lisa. Like,
- 12:50Speaker 1: she never did anything wrong. She had no problems. She
- 12:52Speaker 1: had no enemies. Like, I don't know what happened. And
- 12:55Speaker 1: so Macy, after speaking to the mother, would also speak
- 12:58Speaker 1: to Lisa's father, her two sisters, and her roommate. And
- 13:01Speaker 1: then also he would speak to her boyfriend Blair and
- 13:04Speaker 1: Blair's roommate, Ed Borgatti. Blair seemed really broken up about
- 13:08Speaker 1: his girlfriend's disappearance. When Macy asked where he had been
- 13:11Speaker 1: the night before, Blair said he was at his mother's
- 13:14Speaker 1: home for most of the night, except for a quick
- 13:16Speaker 1: trip to CBS. He said he didn't remember the exact
- 13:19Speaker 1: time he went there, but he definitely had the receipt
- 13:21Speaker 1: back at home. And when Macy spoke to Ed, so
- 13:24Speaker 1: Blair's roommate, Ed also seemed really upset about what happened
- 13:27Speaker 1: to Lisa. He told Macy that he and Lisa were
- 13:30Speaker 1: definitely good friends and they worked near each other in
- 13:33Speaker 1: that shopping plaza. And he said he'd actually been working
- 13:36Speaker 1: at the chicken restaurant around the same time of Lisa's disappearance. Again,
- 13:41Speaker 1: most violent attacks are not committed by strangers. They're committed
- 13:45Speaker 1: by people who know their victims. And like here was
- 13:48Speaker 1: a potential suspect who not only, you know, knew Lisa
- 13:51Speaker 1: very well, but was also just a few hundred feet
- 13:54Speaker 1: away when she was attacked and potentially abducted. It just
- 13:58Speaker 1: seemed like almost too obvious. So Macy made a note
- 14:02Speaker 1: to be sure to look into Ed very thoroughly and
- 14:05Speaker 1: see if any of Lisa's friends knew about maybe any
- 14:08Speaker 1: tension between those two. However, as Macy would go around
- 14:12Speaker 1: and question all of Lisa's friends who were at the house,
- 14:15Speaker 1: none of them had anything negative to say about Ed
- 14:18Speaker 1: or Blair. And none of them knew anything useful about
- 14:21Speaker 1: Lisa's disappearance. However, one of Lisa's friends did say that
- 14:25Speaker 1: about a week earlier, Lisa had told her about this
- 14:28Speaker 1: feeling she had of being watched while she was at
- 14:31Speaker 1: the store. But Lisa hadn't actually said anything about why
- 14:34Speaker 1: she felt that way or who she thought was watching her.
- 14:37Speaker 1: So even though it was an interesting lead, Macy knew
- 14:41Speaker 1: it would be virtually impossible to actually follow up on.
- 14:44Speaker 1: And at this point, he was just getting a little frustrated.
- 14:47Speaker 1: Because not only did he have no eyewitness or security
- 14:50Speaker 1: footage of Lisa's abduction... It seemed absolutely no one even
- 14:54Speaker 1: had a motive to harm Lisa. In fact, the only
- 14:57Speaker 1: useful piece of information he got from all the interviews
- 15:01Speaker 1: was from Lisa's sister, Lynn, who said she had stopped
- 15:04Speaker 1: by the store about an hour or two before Lisa disappeared.
- 15:07Speaker 1: She was able to give Macy a very detailed description
- 15:10Speaker 1: of what Lisa was wearing, a denim skirt, boots, and
- 15:13Speaker 1: a charm bracelet. And so by the time Macy was
- 15:16Speaker 1: leaving the home, he felt really disappointed by how little
- 15:19Speaker 1: he had uncovered. He just hoped that the officers in
- 15:22Speaker 1: charge of the search effort were maybe having more luck.
- 15:29Speaker 1: Three days later, on the afternoon of Sunday, April 19th,
- 15:32Speaker 1: Detective Macy parked at the edge of the woods off
- 15:34Speaker 1: Route 75, less than a mile from the gift store.
- 15:37Speaker 1: Seconds later, another police cruiser pulled up right behind him.
- 15:41Speaker 1: So earlier that afternoon, a man had been out walking
- 15:44Speaker 1: his dog in these woods, and he had unfortunately come
- 15:47Speaker 1: across a dead body and had called it in. And
- 15:49Speaker 1: so Macy, when he heard this, had driven straight over here,
- 15:53Speaker 1: you know, thinking this could be Lisa's body. And now
- 15:55Speaker 1: as he got out of his cruiser, he saw there
- 15:57Speaker 1: were tire tracks that the man who had called in
- 15:59Speaker 1: the body had said he had also seen. He said
- 16:02Speaker 1: there were tracks near the body. And so Macy's thinking, OK,
- 16:05Speaker 1: I got to follow these tracks and it will likely
- 16:07Speaker 1: bring me to this body. And so Macy, along with
- 16:10Speaker 1: three other officers, began following these tracks into the trees.
- 16:14Speaker 1: But Macy, who was at the front of this group,
- 16:16Speaker 1: only took a few steps before his feet literally sank
- 16:19Speaker 1: down into the mud to the point where it was
- 16:21Speaker 1: up to his ankles. This area would turn out to
- 16:24Speaker 1: be extremely swampy to the point where the officers actually
- 16:28Speaker 1: had to walk in each other's footprints in a single
- 16:30Speaker 1: file line just to try to navigate this mud. And
- 16:33Speaker 1: so into the woods they went, carefully walking in this
- 16:36Speaker 1: straight line until the tire tracks began to fade. At
- 16:39Speaker 1: this point, Macy and the others looked around and there
- 16:42Speaker 1: was no body where they were and There was no
- 16:44Speaker 1: sign of any body or anything unusual. But the man
- 16:48Speaker 1: who had found the body had said these tracks sort
- 16:50Speaker 1: of aimed in the direction of where the body was found.
- 16:54Speaker 1: And so Macy and the others just continued in that
- 16:57Speaker 1: single file line, sort of just trudging directly into the
- 17:00Speaker 1: woods for hours until finally they did reach this small
- 17:05Speaker 1: out of the way clearing. And in the clearing, Macy
- 17:08Speaker 1: and the others saw clothing items scattered all over the place.
- 17:12Speaker 1: At this point, it was starting to get dark, and
- 17:14Speaker 1: so Macy pulled out his flashlight, and he shined it
- 17:17Speaker 1: around in this clearing, and at some point, his beam
- 17:20Speaker 1: of light landed on a woman's body lying right next
- 17:23Speaker 1: to a tree. She was partially naked, and some of
- 17:26Speaker 1: her clothes that she still had on had been pulled down,
- 17:29Speaker 1: so it seemed fairly obvious that she had been sexually
- 17:32Speaker 1: assaulted before she died. Also, there were clearly multiple stab
- 17:36Speaker 1: wounds all over her body, including one to her throat.
- 17:40Speaker 1: And then when Macy crouched down next to her to
- 17:42Speaker 1: get a better look, his flashlight reflected off of a
- 17:45Speaker 1: charm bracelet on her wrist. Less than an hour later,
- 17:52Speaker 1: Detective Macy had to shield his eyes as a floodlight
- 17:54Speaker 1: clicked on and threw blinding light all over this clearing
- 17:57Speaker 1: he was in. A forensics team had just arrived and
- 18:00Speaker 1: fired up their generators so they could work through the
- 18:02Speaker 1: night with lights. And also overhead, a helicopter now circled
- 18:06Speaker 1: the woods, taking aerial photos of the scene. These woods,
- 18:10Speaker 1: at least from Macy's perspective, were such a maze that
- 18:13Speaker 1: it seemed very likely that the killer must be a
- 18:16Speaker 1: local who knew this area well. And also, if they'd
- 18:19Speaker 1: driven through all that mud, Macy figured that whoever they
- 18:23Speaker 1: were looking for likely was driving a vehicle with four-wheel drive,
- 18:26Speaker 1: like a truck or a Jeep. So he told the
- 18:29Speaker 1: forensics team to make a cast of the tire tracks
- 18:31Speaker 1: that were left behind near the edge of the road
- 18:34Speaker 1: to see if there was anything else they could find
- 18:36Speaker 1: out about the vehicle. and then Macy also quietly was
- 18:39Speaker 1: sort of crossing his fingers, that this forensics team would
- 18:42Speaker 1: also be able to hopefully find a trace of the
- 18:44Speaker 1: killer's DNA on Lisa's body. A few days later, Macy
- 18:51Speaker 1: was sitting at his desk at the police station. The
- 18:53Speaker 1: phones in the bullpen were ringing more than usual that day,
- 18:56Speaker 1: but Macy was doing his best to shut the noise
- 18:59Speaker 1: out and just focus on the reports that were on
- 19:01Speaker 1: his desk. The forensics team had found DNA on Lisa's body.
- 19:05Speaker 1: And so now, Macy had to make a list of
- 19:08Speaker 1: all the potential suspects that he would need to collect
- 19:11Speaker 1: DNA samples from to see if any of them were
- 19:14Speaker 1: a match to the DNA found on Lisa's body. Lisa's boyfriend, Blair,
- 19:19Speaker 1: seemed like an obvious suspect, even though none of Lisa's
- 19:22Speaker 1: friends or family had known about any problems in their relationship.
- 19:26Speaker 1: Blair also had handed over that receipt from CVS that
- 19:30Speaker 1: confirmed he was there around the same time that Lisa
- 19:32Speaker 1: was abducted. But it would have only taken about, you know,
- 19:35Speaker 1: maybe three minutes to drive from the CVS to the
- 19:37Speaker 1: gift store. So it seemed, you know, completely possible to
- 19:41Speaker 1: Macy that, you know, Blair could have attacked Lisa while
- 19:44Speaker 1: he was out and just also grabbed the CVS receipt
- 19:46Speaker 1: to sort of build an alibi, but a shaky one.
- 19:50Speaker 1: Another strong suspect was actually Blair's roommate, Ed. His alibi
- 19:54Speaker 1: was that he'd been working at a restaurant right next
- 19:57Speaker 1: to the gift store when Lisa was kidnapped, which just
- 20:00Speaker 1: seemed way too convenient. And so Macy thought, you know,
- 20:03Speaker 1: it was entirely possible that Ed during his shift could
- 20:06Speaker 1: have snuck over to the shop, you know, maybe killed
- 20:09Speaker 1: Lisa right there in the store and then left her there.
- 20:12Speaker 1: And then, you know, after a shift was over, because
- 20:14Speaker 1: he knows no one's going to be back in that
- 20:16Speaker 1: gift shop, he could have gone back over, grabbed the body,
- 20:19Speaker 1: disposed of her in the woods, and nobody knows. And
- 20:21Speaker 1: on top of that, Ed just so happened to own
- 20:25Speaker 1: a Jeep. So now Macy clearly needed to get DNA
- 20:28Speaker 1: samples from both Blair and Ed. And also Macy planned
- 20:31Speaker 1: to analyze the tires of both of their vehicles and
- 20:34Speaker 1: to see if either of them matched the tracks from
- 20:37Speaker 1: the woods. Suddenly though, the constant ringing of the bullpen
- 20:40Speaker 1: phones just became too much for Macy to ignore. And
- 20:44Speaker 1: so he stood up from his work, sort of annoyed,
- 20:46Speaker 1: and he walked over to see what was going on.
- 20:48Speaker 1: Why are there so many calls happening right now? And
- 20:51Speaker 1: one of the officers that was out there said all
- 20:53Speaker 1: these calls were for the Lisa Ziegert tip line. Macy
- 20:57Speaker 1: was sort of surprised to hear that. He knew the
- 20:59Speaker 1: tip line had been set up, but For the past
- 21:02Speaker 1: few days, there really hadn't been many calls. But the
- 21:04Speaker 1: officer told Macy that, you know, the floodlights in the
- 21:07Speaker 1: forest and the helicopters flying over the woods the night
- 21:09Speaker 1: before had really caught the attention of the local news.
- 21:13Speaker 1: And as soon as word got out that, you know,
- 21:15Speaker 1: Lisa's body had been found out there, almost everyone in
- 21:19Speaker 1: Agawam seemed to have a theory about what had happened.
- 21:21Speaker 1: And now they were calling in their theory. But he
- 21:24Speaker 1: said that these tips were sort of all over the
- 21:26Speaker 1: map and there were already clues dozens of different descriptions
- 21:30Speaker 1: of suspicious vehicles or suspicious people that, you know, could
- 21:34Speaker 1: be suspects. Macy told the officer to, you know, keep
- 21:36Speaker 1: doing his job and to make sure you log all
- 21:39Speaker 1: the tips that come in and that Macy and his
- 21:41Speaker 1: team would look through them one by one when they
- 21:43Speaker 1: had a chance. And as Macy turned and walked back
- 21:46Speaker 1: towards his office and he continued to hear all these
- 21:48Speaker 1: phones ringing, he realized his team might have to do
- 21:51Speaker 1: a whole lot more DNA comparisons than he'd originally planned on.
- 21:55Speaker 1: Because this was the early 90s, there was no way
- 21:57Speaker 1: to To have one DNA sample, like you would find
- 22:01Speaker 1: on a body, let's say, and then just put it
- 22:03Speaker 1: into a bank and see what turns up. That didn't exist.
- 22:06Speaker 1: And so what he's saying is he needs to compare
- 22:08Speaker 1: this sample directly to basically all these potential people and
- 22:12Speaker 1: hope one of them lines up. One full year later,
- 22:21Speaker 1: on a morning in 1993... Detective Macy dug through a
- 22:25Speaker 1: cardboard box full of police reports and interview notes. There
- 22:29Speaker 1: were dozens of boxes just like this one stacked all
- 22:31Speaker 1: over his office, and they were all full of files
- 22:34Speaker 1: on the Lisa Ziegert investigation. Macy and his team of
- 22:38Speaker 1: detectives had spent the entire past year basically working around
- 22:42Speaker 1: the clock on this case, digging into one lead after another,
- 22:45Speaker 1: and it had been exhausting. Since Agawam was such a
- 22:49Speaker 1: small town, Lisa's murder was all anyone could talk about.
- 22:52Speaker 1: and the detectives had received hundreds of tips on Lisa's case.
- 22:56Speaker 1: The police station even had to install extra phones to
- 22:59Speaker 1: handle all the calls. And no matter how far-fetched the
- 23:02Speaker 1: tips seemed, Macy's team looked into each and every one.
- 23:06Speaker 1: For example, there was a woman who worked at the
- 23:09Speaker 1: all-female gym that Lisa used to go to who had
- 23:11Speaker 1: called in and said there was this man who showed
- 23:14Speaker 1: up at their gym every day at 3 p.m. and
- 23:17Speaker 1: he would buy frozen yogurt from the juice bar. But
- 23:19Speaker 1: while he ate the yogurt... He would just stand there
- 23:22Speaker 1: and eat it, sort of staring out at all the women.
- 23:24Speaker 1: And to this woman, this employee, she felt like he
- 23:28Speaker 1: could be the killer. Another tipster had called in and
- 23:31Speaker 1: said they actually had seen a police car parked right
- 23:33Speaker 1: near the gift store around the time Lisa was abducted.
- 23:36Speaker 1: And when Macy heard this, he ordered a DNA test
- 23:39Speaker 1: from every single officer in the department, but none matched.
- 23:43Speaker 1: There was also another wild theory that Lisa's boyfriend, Blair,
- 23:47Speaker 1: apparently had a secret romance with his roommate, Ed. And
- 23:51Speaker 1: Ed had apparently killed Lisa because Lisa found out about it.
- 23:55Speaker 1: Somebody else had called in and said that their friend
- 23:58Speaker 1: had borrowed their car on the day Lisa was killed.
- 24:01Speaker 1: And when they returned the car, apparently there were bloodstains
- 24:04Speaker 1: in it. So they were basically saying, look into my friend.
- 24:06Speaker 1: And then also there were all these women who called
- 24:09Speaker 1: in basically saying their husbands did it. You know, whether
- 24:11Speaker 1: or not there was merit there, you know, wasn't clear,
- 24:14Speaker 1: but lots of husbands were getting accused. There were also
- 24:17Speaker 1: dozens of tips that were just too vague to do
- 24:20Speaker 1: anything with. like people saying that they saw a man
- 24:23Speaker 1: in a dark coat or a guy at a bar
- 24:26Speaker 1: who looked suspicious. And so at the end of the
- 24:28Speaker 1: first year of this investigation, Detective Macy had looked into
- 24:33Speaker 1: 400 people of interest, but none of those leads went anywhere.
- 24:39Speaker 1: To Macy's disappointment, Blair and Ed, who were really the
- 24:42Speaker 1: two most obvious suspects, were actually ruled out very quickly.
- 24:45Speaker 1: Their tires from their vehicles ultimately didn't match the tracks
- 24:49Speaker 1: found in the woods, and they'd both given DNA samples,
- 24:51Speaker 1: which did not match the DNA found on Lisa's body.
- 24:55Speaker 1: And it was hard to get samples from all, you know,
- 24:57Speaker 1: the rest of the 400 other suspects, especially because in 1993,
- 25:02Speaker 1: you needed a pretty significant amount of DNA to run
- 25:06Speaker 1: a test. So the police typically made suspects come in
- 25:09Speaker 1: and get their blood drawn. And a lot of the
- 25:11Speaker 1: suspects just said no to that because they just didn't
- 25:13Speaker 1: want to go through the hassle. And since most of
- 25:16Speaker 1: the tips that had led to these people of interest
- 25:18Speaker 1: were pretty flimsy, Macy didn't have probable cause to get
- 25:22Speaker 1: a warrant to force them to do the blood draw.
- 25:25Speaker 1: But of the hundreds of suspects who did give their DNA,
- 25:29Speaker 1: none matched the DNA found on Lisa's body. And again,
- 25:34Speaker 1: there's no bank to just run the sample through to
- 25:37Speaker 1: see who else it could be. Like if you don't
- 25:38Speaker 1: have somebody to compare it to, you couldn't do it
- 25:41Speaker 1: in the early 90s. So, as Macy stood there looking
- 25:44Speaker 1: at all those boxes of files that he'd spent months
- 25:47Speaker 1: poring over, he had the sinking feeling that maybe the
- 25:50Speaker 1: answer was not in there after all. At this point,
- 25:53Speaker 1: it was like every tip he had gotten had led
- 25:55Speaker 1: him down like an entirely different path than he was on,
- 25:59Speaker 1: and he was just more lost and confused than ever.
- 26:02Speaker 1: And so he felt like if he was going to
- 26:04Speaker 1: actually find Lisa's killer, he needed new evidence or he
- 26:08Speaker 1: needed an eyewitness to help point him in the right direction.
- 26:11Speaker 1: And so as daunting as it was for Macy to
- 26:14Speaker 1: think of this, he knew what he really needed now
- 26:16Speaker 1: was actually even more tips. Six months later, in the
- 26:24Speaker 1: fall of 1993, so now we are about a year
- 26:27Speaker 1: and a half after Lisa Ziegert's murder, Detective Macy stood
- 26:30Speaker 1: in the corner of a massive call center in Burbank, California.
- 26:34Speaker 1: All around him, dozens of workers sat in cubicles with
- 26:37Speaker 1: computers and headsets. And Macy waited with nervous anticipation... as
- 26:41Speaker 1: one by one, their phones began to ring. Macy knew
- 26:45Speaker 1: that the very popular TV show, Unsolved Mysteries, which told
- 26:48Speaker 1: real stories of unsolved cold cases, was actually airing a
- 26:52Speaker 1: segment about Lisa's murder at that very moment, but he
- 26:55Speaker 1: wasn't actually watching the show. Instead, he was in the
- 26:58Speaker 1: studio's call center to monitor the tip line, in case
- 27:01Speaker 1: any viewers at home called in with valuable information on
- 27:05Speaker 1: Lisa's case. And sure enough, within a few minutes, every
- 27:08Speaker 1: single phone in the call center was ringing off the hook,
- 27:11Speaker 1: Macy began to walk around the room and peek over
- 27:14Speaker 1: the shoulders of the workers as they took notes on
- 27:16Speaker 1: these calls that were coming in. And Macy admittedly was
- 27:20Speaker 1: frustrated by what he was seeing. Most of the callers
- 27:23Speaker 1: were just repeating this old rumor that Ed Borgatti was
- 27:27Speaker 1: the killer and that more than that, the police knew
- 27:30Speaker 1: about it and were covering it up. So the reason
- 27:32Speaker 1: for that is Ed actually had been ruled out by
- 27:35Speaker 1: DNA evidence pretty early on in the investigation and But
- 27:39Speaker 1: the police had decided not to announce that publicly until
- 27:43Speaker 1: the case was closed. So the locals came up with
- 27:45Speaker 1: a conspiracy theory to explain why Ed, who looked so
- 27:49Speaker 1: suspicious from the outside, had never been arrested. That somehow
- 27:53Speaker 1: the police were covering it up. Macy had hoped that
- 27:55Speaker 1: by having this case be on Unsolved Mysteries, that it
- 27:59Speaker 1: would lead to a fresh tip from a credible witness
- 28:02Speaker 1: who maybe hadn't come forward yet. But instead, all he
- 28:05Speaker 1: was getting was just more rumor and more speculations. In
- 28:08Speaker 1: the end, the show generated 212 tips, and none of
- 28:12Speaker 1: them led anywhere. And so as the years went on
- 28:15Speaker 1: and still no new information came in, Lisa's case just
- 28:19Speaker 1: continued to get colder and colder. By the time Detective
- 28:22Speaker 1: Macy actually retired in 2003, it had been 11 years
- 28:26Speaker 1: since her murder. Yet still, the murder was unsolved. Almost
- 28:31Speaker 1: 23 years later, in January of 2015, Anthony Galluni, the
- 28:36Speaker 1: newly elected district attorney, walked down the hallway at the
- 28:38Speaker 1: Agawam police headquarters. He found the door he was looking
- 28:41Speaker 1: for and he knocked. And a few seconds later, a
- 28:45Speaker 1: detective named Mark Pfau opened the door. Galluni introduced himself
- 28:49Speaker 1: and then asked to see all the files on the
- 28:51Speaker 1: Lisa Ziegert investigation. Galluni told the detective that he had
- 28:55Speaker 1: grown up near Agawam and he vividly remembered watching the
- 28:58Speaker 1: news coverage of Lisa's murder when he was just 12
- 29:01Speaker 1: years old. And now that he was the DA... Solving
- 29:04Speaker 1: the cold case was one of his top priorities. Forensic
- 29:06Speaker 1: technology had advanced a lot since the early 90s when
- 29:10Speaker 1: this case was in its full swing. So Galluni suggested
- 29:13Speaker 1: they just send the DNA sample from Lisa's killer to
- 29:16Speaker 1: the lab for phenotyping, which is basically using DNA markers
- 29:20Speaker 1: to figure out what a person could look like. So
- 29:23Speaker 1: this is not the same thing as putting the DNA
- 29:26Speaker 1: into a huge bank and getting an exact match back.
- 29:28Speaker 1: It's sort of like building a profile of who this
- 29:31Speaker 1: belongs to. And so the DA was very confident that
- 29:34Speaker 1: through this process, if they could build a really accurate
- 29:38Speaker 1: physical profile of the suspect, and cross-reference it against the
- 29:42Speaker 1: hundreds of names they had collected over the years in
- 29:44Speaker 1: this case, maybe they could finally close in on Lisa's killer.
- 29:49Speaker 1: It would take over a year and a half for
- 29:52Speaker 1: this process to be completed, but in September of 2016,
- 29:55Speaker 1: DA Galluni held a press conference to announce the results
- 29:59Speaker 1: of the phenotyping. And so, during this press conference, a
- 30:02Speaker 1: composite sketch of the killer appeared on the screen behind
- 30:05Speaker 1: the DA. And all it showed was a Caucasian man
- 30:08Speaker 1: with dark hair and either brown or hazel eyes. Which
- 30:12Speaker 1: does seem like not a whole lot of new information.
- 30:15Speaker 1: But remember, this is sort of like, definitely, this person
- 30:19Speaker 1: looks this way. This is not like a, we think
- 30:21Speaker 1: he looks this way. This is what he looks like.
- 30:23Speaker 1: And even though none of the investigators on the case
- 30:26Speaker 1: actually recognize the face in the sketch... Galluni hoped that
- 30:30Speaker 1: somebody in the public, you know, from this press release
- 30:33Speaker 1: would recognize him. So after the press conference, Galluni went
- 30:37Speaker 1: back to the police station and with the help of
- 30:39Speaker 1: a state trooper, they began sorting through the massive cabinets
- 30:43Speaker 1: full of files on Lisa's case. They put together a
- 30:46Speaker 1: list of every person of interest who had previously refused
- 30:50Speaker 1: to give a DNA sample and they were able to
- 30:53Speaker 1: narrow it down to 11 suspects who fit the phenotype
- 30:56Speaker 1: profile who didn't give their DNA sample. At that point,
- 31:00Speaker 1: Galluni pulled together all the evidence that he had against
- 31:03Speaker 1: those 11 people, and he used it to secure warrants,
- 31:06Speaker 1: forcing each of them to actually give their DNA. But
- 31:10Speaker 1: before those DNA results even came back, Galluni got a
- 31:14Speaker 1: very unexpected phone call. And as he listened to the
- 31:17Speaker 1: voice on the other end, his heart began to pound
- 31:20Speaker 1: because he knew after, you know, two and a half
- 31:22Speaker 1: decades here, he finally knew exactly who had killed Lisa Ziegert.
- 31:31Speaker 1: Based on a written confession and DNA evidence, this is
- 31:35Speaker 1: what police believe happened to Lisa Ziegert on April 15, 1992.
- 31:47Speaker 1: Around 8.30 p.m., the killer parked in the alley behind
- 31:51Speaker 1: Brittany's card and gift shop. Then they walked around to
- 31:54Speaker 1: the front of the store and hid behind a car
- 31:56Speaker 1: and stared in the window and just watched Lisa. The
- 32:00Speaker 1: killer had always been fascinated by abduction and bondage ever
- 32:03Speaker 1: since they were young. And they had done their best
- 32:06Speaker 1: to try to, you know, keep those fantasies inside and
- 32:08Speaker 1: not act on them. But when they had met Lisa,
- 32:12Speaker 1: it was like their urges became just too powerful to control.
- 32:16Speaker 1: So on this night, when they saw Lisa disappear into
- 32:19Speaker 1: the store's back room, the killer, you know, steeled themselves
- 32:22Speaker 1: and took a deep breath. stormed into the shop just
- 32:26Speaker 1: as they had imagined doing for so long. They had
- 32:28Speaker 1: thought about this and fantasized about what this would be
- 32:31Speaker 1: like and now it was actually happening. And so they
- 32:34Speaker 1: ambushed Lisa with a knife right as she was walking
- 32:36Speaker 1: out of that back room and they kind of grabbed
- 32:39Speaker 1: her and wrapped their arm around her neck and they
- 32:40Speaker 1: sort of stumbled into the back room and Lisa, she
- 32:44Speaker 1: began fighting back. And so they're struggling and they knocked
- 32:47Speaker 1: over that huge pile of cardboard boxes and at some
- 32:50Speaker 1: point Lisa tried to wrestle the knife out of the
- 32:53Speaker 1: killer's grip and But after this intense struggle, the killer
- 32:57Speaker 1: gained the upper hand and dragged her out the back
- 32:59Speaker 1: door and into the alley. They shoved her into their
- 33:02Speaker 1: vehicle and then drove a mile down the road and
- 33:05Speaker 1: turned onto a dirt path that led into the woods.
- 33:08Speaker 1: And then after they drove for a while, they reached
- 33:10Speaker 1: a secluded spot in the forest, at which point they stopped.
- 33:14Speaker 1: They pulled Lisa out of the back of the car.
- 33:16Speaker 1: They threw her to the ground and then they sexually
- 33:19Speaker 1: assaulted her. And then after they were done, they stabbed
- 33:21Speaker 1: her to death and then they just left her. And
- 33:24Speaker 1: they got back in their vehicle and they drove away.
- 33:26Speaker 1: By the time the killer got back to their own home,
- 33:28Speaker 1: they were still buzzing with adrenaline. I mean, this was,
- 33:31Speaker 1: this was every bit as incredible as they thought it
- 33:34Speaker 1: would be. However, when they actually walked into their house
- 33:37Speaker 1: and they heard a familiar female voice calling out from
- 33:40Speaker 1: the other room, asking where they'd been, the killer looked
- 33:44Speaker 1: down and suddenly realized there were cuts all over their hands.
- 33:48Speaker 1: But at this point, you know, it was too late
- 33:49Speaker 1: to do anything about these cuts. Like, If they left
- 33:53Speaker 1: to go clean up, they would just seem really suspicious
- 33:56Speaker 1: to the woman in the next room. So the killer
- 33:58Speaker 1: just took a deep breath and continued into their own house, hoping,
- 34:03Speaker 1: you know, she wouldn't notice the cuts and piece together
- 34:05Speaker 1: the awful truth. The killer's name was Gary Shara, and
- 34:09Speaker 1: he was a young man whose only connection to Lisa
- 34:12Speaker 1: was that he had been a customer at the gift
- 34:14Speaker 1: store where she worked. And so, you know, the police
- 34:16Speaker 1: had sort of begun the investigation with this idea that
- 34:19Speaker 1: this really couldn't have been a random attack of sorts.
- 34:22Speaker 1: But in reality, it sort of was. Police believe that
- 34:25Speaker 1: just a few weeks before the murder, Shara had visited
- 34:28Speaker 1: the shop just to buy a music box for his wife.
- 34:31Speaker 1: Like that actually was the reason he was going. It
- 34:33Speaker 1: was not to scout for a victim. He just went
- 34:36Speaker 1: into the store to buy this gift. But when he
- 34:39Speaker 1: saw Lisa working there, he sort of immediately became obsessed
- 34:43Speaker 1: with her. and then that obsession ultimately turned into murder.
- 34:47Speaker 1: In January of 1993, Shara's wife, who was the woman
- 34:51Speaker 1: in the other room who called out to him asking
- 34:54Speaker 1: where he had been on the night of Lisa's murder, she,
- 34:57Speaker 1: the wife, ultimately called in a tip suggesting that her
- 35:00Speaker 1: husband might have been involved in this murder, but the
- 35:03Speaker 1: police decided the tip was not credible. Because Shara's wife was, one,
- 35:07Speaker 1: an alcoholic, and two... Shara and his wife were in
- 35:11Speaker 1: the middle of this heated divorce. And so it seemed
- 35:14Speaker 1: like this could be revenge. And then also remember, there
- 35:17Speaker 1: were all these other women calling in, basically suggesting their
- 35:21Speaker 1: husband was the killer. So this is like one of many,
- 35:23Speaker 1: and they had to filter some of them out. This
- 35:26Speaker 1: one got filtered out. So ultimately, Shara's name sort of
- 35:29Speaker 1: got buried amid the hundreds of other suspects until 25
- 35:32Speaker 1: years later, when police served him a warrant for a
- 35:35Speaker 1: DNA sample. He was one of those 11 people who
- 35:38Speaker 1: fit the phenotype who had not given a sample. And
- 35:41Speaker 1: realizing he was about to get caught, he left his
- 35:44Speaker 1: girlfriend a letter confessing to the murder and actually tried
- 35:47Speaker 1: to end his own life. But he survived. Following his
- 35:50Speaker 1: failed attempt to take his own life, Gary Shara was
- 35:53Speaker 1: tracked down at the hospital and arrested on September 16, 2017.
- 35:58Speaker 1: Two years later, he pleaded guilty to first-degree murder and
- 36:01Speaker 1: was sentenced to life in prison without parole. Thank you
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