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Episode 265: Unending (SG-1 10.20) · Get Into Gate: A Stargate Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Don't want too alone.
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  Speaker 2: Sails are calm me fulls don't I know it's been
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  Speaker 2: coming more some time. Well it's over, so let's see.
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  Speaker 3: You'll ring the.
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  Speaker 2: Sun seep, I know, shining down water.
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  Speaker 4: I won't know.
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  Speaker 3: Help you let off me. I won't know, help you
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  Speaker 3: let off me? Amen down, Get into Gate episode two
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  Speaker 3: hundred and sixty five, talking Stargate SG one. Get Into
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  Speaker 3: Gate team is here. There's an a or of sadness
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  Speaker 3: around my voice, Brendan Maddie. Boys, Yeah, I never my friends.
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  Speaker 3: Let's that's alright, It's all right. It's been a bit,
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  Speaker 3: been a bit. Uh, yeah, we are. We are here
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  Speaker 3: to talk about un Ending, the series finale of SG one,
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  Speaker 3: an episode that I haven't watched in a long long
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  Speaker 3: time before we even started doing the podcast, and I
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  Speaker 3: was never gonna watch it during the podcast's rewatch run.
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  Speaker 3: And then yeah, there was just something really weird today
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  Speaker 3: about press and play on Unending. God, this is the
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  Speaker 3: last episode of this show. Hot damn, and I've just
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  Speaker 3: like had ten today.
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  Speaker 1: It's nine in the morning.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's this is a podcast. Time is irrelevant.
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  Speaker 1: It's fine. He watched it on the way in.
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  Speaker 3: That's for yeah, yeah, I listened to Quintin's clear Water
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  Speaker 3: just just a song in itself, and like, I think
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  Speaker 3: I remember the episode, but yeah, I reckon. I might
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  Speaker 3: have only ever watched this episode the one time ever,
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  Speaker 3: and so I've just had some kind of key moment
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  Speaker 3: memories existing, and but that the emotion, the memory of
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  Speaker 3: the emotion that I felt watching the episode has always
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  Speaker 3: has always stuck, regardless of whether I remembered what made
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  Speaker 3: those emotions happen. And that song, I've never heard that
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  Speaker 3: song the same way since watching this episode. So yeah,
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  Speaker 3: here we are and we're finally covering it on the
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  Speaker 3: on the pod.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't remember. Do you guys remember, like did
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  Speaker 1: we know as a fandom whether like Ark of Truth
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  Speaker 1: and Continuing were happening when this, like at least for
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  Speaker 1: us in Australia where we kind of saw it, I
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  Speaker 1: guess later than you know, the state in the UK
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  Speaker 1: and stuff like that. Do you guys remember knowing If
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  Speaker 1: I don't remember, something else was coming after an ending.
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  Speaker 4: I remember there being talks, but it was never confirmed. Yeah, right,
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  Speaker 4: so maybe they might have already had Arc of Truth
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  Speaker 4: kind of idea and had that in the barrel. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: you know, that's what we want to do, but obviously
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  Speaker 4: not continuum, but that I think, you know, after a
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  Speaker 4: while they wanted a few movies trying to wrap up
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  Speaker 4: all the stories and continue, like.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that's what they've been trying to do since
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  Speaker 1: like season seven, you know, right, they've been trying to
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  Speaker 1: sort of wrap the show up since then and move
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  Speaker 1: over to sort of features.
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  Speaker 3: So yes, especially, I mean you talk about back then,
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  Speaker 3: what do we know? And it would have only been like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, little breadcrumbs on the internet, back when we
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  Speaker 3: believed everything we read online with no question and having
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  Speaker 3: such little access, and there wasn't as much coverage, you know,
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  Speaker 3: even in the entertainment space. So if like a report
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  Speaker 3: went out going, oh, you know, MGM are working on
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  Speaker 3: as Stargate or whoever. You know, I'm making a Stargate
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  Speaker 3: tell a movie, you'd be like, oh, that's fact, it's happening,
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  Speaker 3: and you just throw all of your excitement behind it,
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  Speaker 3: you know. I remember when I grade ten, I want
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  Speaker 3: to say, two thousand and one, and I found a
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  Speaker 3: movie website dedicated to entertainment reporting, and that became that
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  Speaker 3: was my every single day. I still go to that
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  Speaker 3: website everything is coming soon, coming soon, which see I.
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  Speaker 1: Go to that website, but it's spelled slightly different. Ah, yes,
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  Speaker 1: come already.
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  Speaker 3: I'll go there twice a day. But it was just,
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  Speaker 3: you know, you'd just be reading reports and movies that
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  Speaker 3: were three years away, they're in development. They would have
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  Speaker 3: like from two thousand and one all the way through
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  Speaker 3: to like two thousand and six, like release dates for
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  Speaker 3: films that have been announced. But you know we're saying,
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, oh.
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  Speaker 1: That would make you come soon.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah. I would just be writing stuff down like,
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  Speaker 3: oh my god, this is a.
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  Speaker 4: Stuff I think, And I think this is probably the
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  Speaker 4: peak of Stargate's popularity around this point because where in
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  Speaker 4: terms of they had magazines, I had Gateforum, dot net.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, all the interesting dichotomy. Two is peak of popularity,
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  Speaker 1: but not peak of quality.
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  Speaker 4: Correct, I would say I think it's peak of popularity
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  Speaker 4: because they've seen what had already happened.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, up to season eight.
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  Speaker 3: And you got those two I guess two classes of
• 5:17
  Speaker 3: fans as well. Like we've spoken before about people that
• 5:19
  Speaker 3: joined Starget as a franchise because of Atlantis. They jumped
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  Speaker 3: on board with Atlantis. So while the ven diagram Maddie
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  Speaker 3: might have you know, crossed over a fair bit, you
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  Speaker 3: would still have you know, twice as much exposure at
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  Speaker 3: you know, sci fi conventions or something, because you've got
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  Speaker 3: your Atlantis fans and your SG one fans and twice
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  Speaker 3: as much cast members or all like mainline cast members, I.
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  Speaker 1: Mean speaking of ven diagrams and sci fi fans. We
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  Speaker 1: did speak over it a minute ago, but I just
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  Speaker 1: want to put on the record if anyone missed it,
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  Speaker 1: if you rewind a couple of minutes, and you'll hear
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  Speaker 1: that here. On the final episode of SG one and Unending,
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  Speaker 1: Brendan was the first one to say the word star Trek,
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  Speaker 1: not me. I think that was fantastic and I considered
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  Speaker 1: that the ten seasons a win. You're talking over me.
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  Speaker 1: No one heard it, so I just want that on record.
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  Speaker 1: And everything I've been doing for the last ten seasons
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  Speaker 1: has been worth it. Planned con yeah, yeah, I'm always
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  Speaker 1: a long come. I've got that Cooper worm in your head,
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  Speaker 1: oh mate, I mean we haven't even got to the
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  Speaker 1: synopsis yet. But written by Robert C. Cooper, directed by
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  Speaker 1: Robert C. Cooper, audio commentary by Robert C. Cooper.
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  Speaker 3: Just and.
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  Speaker 1: I mean it's tapping.
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  Speaker 3: Thank god, thank god.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah, I did read some nice trivia about
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  Speaker 4: the behind the scenes commentary.
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  Speaker 1: But I have what's what's the record on pieces of
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  Speaker 1: audio grabs that I've had for this? Isn't it twenty
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  Speaker 1: or twenty one?
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  Speaker 3: Oh okay, I.
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  Speaker 1: Haven't broken record. I've got sixteen, so buckle in. I
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  Speaker 1: think between that and what Brennan's got organized, I think
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  Speaker 1: this is going to be a long one.
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  Speaker 3: Well, we'll go into the for the final time of
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  Speaker 3: Starget SG one the series. Obviously, we've got some telemovies
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  Speaker 3: to talk about.
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  Speaker 1: It's hard for us, I think, because it's like we
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  Speaker 1: know that we've still got to do Ark of Truth
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  Speaker 1: and Continuum and two more seasons of you know, so
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  Speaker 1: it's weird, like we want to give this episode it's Jews,
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  Speaker 1: but it's also like it's it's not the end. So
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  Speaker 1: it's a really hard in my brain.
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  Speaker 3: Literally pressing play. Even like for the last couple of weeks,
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  Speaker 3: knowing that that was going to be the next thing
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  Speaker 3: that I watched, there was just there was this like
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  Speaker 3: weird sadness about it, and it took.
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  Speaker 1: The last disc on the DVD box. Yeah, that was
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  Speaker 1: one for me, I always feel that way.
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  Speaker 4: And it's a finale and you're like, all right, this time,
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to watch the opening credits and just kind
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  Speaker 4: of taking the whole experience.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Well, as I was watching the opening credits, and I thought,
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  Speaker 3: I'll admit to this, and I wonder whether Maddi's and like,
• 7:47
  Speaker 3: oh god, you're so sad, because I will do that.
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  Speaker 3: Like I love watching opening credits anyway, and especially if
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  Speaker 3: it's something like a Game of Thrones or whatever, like
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  Speaker 3: it's got a great tune to that's.
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  Speaker 4: A good like you're dedicated to watch the game. It's
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  Speaker 4: forty or something, it was like ten years.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just watching where the weaving is going in
• 8:07
  Speaker 3: this particular episode of House of the Dragon or something.
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  Speaker 3: But if I do skip them, and it's maybe I'm
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  Speaker 3: doing it because I'm watching it with the missus or something. Obviously,
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  Speaker 3: if I'm starting a new show or it's episode one,
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  Speaker 3: I'll watch it and then I might skip it for
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  Speaker 3: the rest. But then we get to the final episode
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  Speaker 3: of whatever season, especially a series, and I will not
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  Speaker 3: telling her this is why, but I will watch it
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  Speaker 3: because it's like it's yeah, it's giving the movie or
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  Speaker 3: giving the TV show it's due and.
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  Speaker 1: It's watching and raise you. I guess I'll get it.
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  Speaker 1: That's one. But for the first time, I watched the
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  Speaker 1: finale of Star Trek Voyager on VHS in like two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and two. A friend of mine camera and we
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  Speaker 1: watched it watch the whole thing was you know, double
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  Speaker 1: episode got to the end and we literally sat there
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  Speaker 1: in silence while the entire end credits playing. We just
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  Speaker 1: didn't disbelieve, just just kind of processing what we just watched,
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  Speaker 1: and we kind of just sat there just in silence
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  Speaker 1: watching his end credits.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I mean, Brennan will tell you that. You know,
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  Speaker 3: either I forced people to or they would have to
• 9:02
  Speaker 3: wait for me while I did it. If we went
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  Speaker 3: and saw a movie back in high school.
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  Speaker 1: Because you mum had to drop us home away from Mitch,
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  Speaker 1: Mitch is watching the credits.
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  Speaker 3: Jesus Christ, it's the matrix, as if there isn't going
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  Speaker 3: to be eighteen years of credits for that thing.
• 9:15
  Speaker 1: The Return of the King was hell yeah, four and
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  Speaker 1: it's always been one for me.
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  Speaker 3: Thirty seven minutes of credits told me I'd be like,
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  Speaker 3: we're paying respect after Jackson.
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  Speaker 4: After those six endings on each one so amazing, so yeah,
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  Speaker 4: no fantastic, so good, so all right.
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  Speaker 3: The synopsis Episode twenty season ten. We're talking in volume
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  Speaker 3: five of the DVD as well, episode number four for
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  Speaker 3: really saying goodbye to some physical media as well. With
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  Speaker 3: extinction imminence, the Asgard hand over all their knowledge and
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  Speaker 3: technology to SG one, but not before the alright launch
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  Speaker 3: an attack trying to intercede, written and directed by Robert C. Cooper,
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  Speaker 3: which is something that I did not remember, and I've
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  Speaker 3: got all these one the full memories of this episode
• 10:01
  Speaker 3: and sadness attached to it as well, And then so
• 10:04
  Speaker 3: many years and seasons of this podcast hammering Cooper but
• 10:08
  Speaker 3: looking forward to one ending for colding not because we
• 10:10
  Speaker 3: wanted the show to get done. And while this show
• 10:12
  Speaker 3: starts and it comes up written by Robert C. Coop
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  Speaker 3: and I'm like, ah, I guess that makes sense. That
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  Speaker 3: kind of sucks, And then it gets.
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  Speaker 1: Directed by Robert C. Cooper and I'm like, god, hey,
• 10:21
  Speaker 1: how do you think I feel? Next week when we
• 10:23
  Speaker 1: do first Strike on Atlanta's That's probably my favorite episode
• 10:27
  Speaker 1: of Atlanti's in existence.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, Okay?
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  Speaker 1: And what pops up? Written by Martin Gez Yes, Yes, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: and audio commentary by Martin Guiro.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, you are the fifth race. Your role is clear.
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  Speaker 6: If there is any hope in preserving the future, it
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  Speaker 6: lies with you and your people.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah we told you that eight years ago. Seriously goosebumps. Though, Yeah,
• 10:56
  Speaker 1: like finally acknowledging that we are the fifth race, goosebumps.
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  Speaker 3: I found myself wondering what would have been better what
• 11:04
  Speaker 3: we have, which is great because it's it's it's opposite
• 11:07
  Speaker 3: Carter or if it was O'Neill and you were able
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  Speaker 3: to compare those two moments where we get a very young,
• 11:13
  Speaker 3: youthful look or certainly any Stargate run youthful looking Richard
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  Speaker 3: Dean Anderson.
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  Speaker 4: He should have been in this instead of Landry. He
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  Speaker 4: should have been in charge of the ship instead of landing.
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  Speaker 1: I can understand why they didn't. I mean, there's so
• 11:28
  Speaker 1: many what ifs and should they shouldn't they have in
• 11:31
  Speaker 1: this episode that I'm sure we'll get to. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of like I understand wanting to just finish
• 11:36
  Speaker 1: the show with the current cast and not do like
• 11:39
  Speaker 1: a stunt guest spot. But also it's so near, like
• 11:45
  Speaker 1: that character's been there from the film, so I think, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's there's almost a part, especially with what they did
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  Speaker 1: with the Asgard, which I personally don't agree with me
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  Speaker 1: and I know the fantom is very kind of you know.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I think someone had to die, you know
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  Speaker 4: what I mean, could have been Landry, that would have
• 12:02
  Speaker 4: been Yeah, I guess he did technically for a minute there, Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: it's just yeah, I didn't like the suicide thing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but just yeah, on your own nail thing,
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  Speaker 1: Like I think it's we we spoke about it maybe
• 12:15
  Speaker 1: a couple of seasons ago. And for a while there
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  Speaker 1: it was kind of like the the core four of
• 12:21
  Speaker 1: the team, they had their own connections to these alien species.
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  Speaker 1: Like Daniel was the Ancients, O'Neill was the as Guard,
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  Speaker 1: Carter was kind of the Tokra for a while between
• 12:31
  Speaker 1: Joel and I and her dad, you know, the Jaafar
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  Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff. So it's like they
• 12:36
  Speaker 1: all kind of had their own sort of things. And
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  Speaker 1: then I feel like, what was it season season seven
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  Speaker 1: maybe was that episode where like Carter was suddenly she
• 12:45
  Speaker 1: was the one with with the Asgard a lot, she
• 12:47
  Speaker 1: was with the one she hugs Thor and stuff. Like that,
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: the one whether they like they're fighting remplicators yellow ones. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so there was kind of this sort of mish smash around,
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  Speaker 1: and then obviously there's the whole O'Neal thing with you know,
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  Speaker 1: the downloaded ancient information twice now and all that kind
• 13:03
  Speaker 1: of stuff. But yeah, I always kind of when I
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  Speaker 1: think of Thor in particular, I kind of always associate
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  Speaker 1: him with O'Neill, So I think, yeah, I think there
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  Speaker 1: would have been a little more emotional resonance if they
• 13:15
  Speaker 1: did go, you know, going through with this the whole
• 13:17
  Speaker 1: Asgard mass suicide thing. To have O'Neill there to be
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  Speaker 1: the one to hear that, I think would have would
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  Speaker 1: have been an even more like would have been like
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  Speaker 1: a ten hards moment.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I didn't remember that. That's how it started.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't remember the as Guard until I read the
• 13:34
  Speaker 3: synopsis before I put the disk in. I've forgotten the
• 13:38
  Speaker 3: as Guard were attached to it at all. I think
• 13:40
  Speaker 3: the only memories that I had were the four of them,
• 13:43
  Speaker 3: not Landry, the four of them on a ship that
• 13:46
  Speaker 3: was fired upon, and I thought all that happened. Pre credits.
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  Speaker 1: There's six, Mitchell, there's six, including five members of.
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  Speaker 3: Sorry, yeah, sorry, I still haven't made an impact on me. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: And I did some quick just quick maps, and I'm
• 14:00
  Speaker 3: just thinking cool Unit SG one. There's always four members,
• 14:02
  Speaker 3: and there really isn't, Okay, I'm so sorry. I love
• 14:05
  Speaker 3: Claudia Black. Nothing on Claudia and I do. I have
• 14:09
  Speaker 3: enjoyed Varla since what midway through season nine, which even
• 14:12
  Speaker 3: came as a surprise.
• 14:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, way do we do fascape in another five years?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 14:18
  Speaker 4: Let's talk about Vala then, because we've all had kind
• 14:22
  Speaker 4: of mixed emotions about her over this period and they've tried,
• 14:25
  Speaker 4: they have given her a good character arc, but then
• 14:28
  Speaker 4: they've kind of taken some of it back. So what
• 14:30
  Speaker 4: are your thoughts on specifically those scenes with Michael Shanks,
• 14:34
  Speaker 4: the Daniel Jackson ones.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, as much as I've not liked her for
• 14:39
  Speaker 3: certain reasons, I was watching him just unload on her
• 14:44
  Speaker 3: and I was like, dude, shut. And also because in
• 14:49
  Speaker 3: this rewatch we've sort of I've looked at Daniel in
• 14:52
  Speaker 3: a different light and a bit more. I don't know,
• 14:54
  Speaker 3: I've just sort of seen him as a lot more
• 14:55
  Speaker 3: of a dick than what I did way back when
• 14:58
  Speaker 3: and so that can't dominates in then also the culmination
• 15:03
  Speaker 3: of of Valley getting absolutely roasted, and I just I
• 15:07
  Speaker 3: was very awkward watching that because I was like, ah,
• 15:10
  Speaker 3: there's there's obviously something that it's like a dream or
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: something like what's going there's no way that they can
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: recover from. And obviously, as you know, I'm like, okay,
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: there's going to be a flick here where this is all.
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: This is so emotional, it's going to be a very
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: easy switch to go from like this this gestating hatred
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: into bang. Obviously we're so into each other and it
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: is going to become one extreme and go to another.
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: That's okay, but I just crazy sex too. Oh wow,
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: it's crazy, like and you know, she's had a lot.
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: She tells us she's had a lot, a lot of
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: different species, a lot of.
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  Speaker 1: Crops.
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: So when she comes out and even she looks flustered,
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: and it's like, oh, okay, that was a session. Yea,
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: Like hear Mitchell's been running circles around the entire ship
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: and he goes, I'm not that sweaty, you know, like
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: they've had one.
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: Hell well, not to mention like we talked about it
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: in the early seasons, like even though Daniel's whole rais
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: on death row for the first like three or four seasons,
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: was trying to find Charhra he like they remember, like
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: we had the running tally of how many different birds
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: he hooked up with, and then finally once he found
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: char and she was killed, he he didn't hook up
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: with him anymore.
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: I just wanted an extra line in that delivery where
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: he's like there was I never thought it I'd be
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: able to get past my wife, but god knows, I tried.
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: That one girl said you did you really did, Daniel.
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: You gave it a red hot cray. That one girl
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: who told me what trees were? She seems so simple.
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: I thought she was a a cave woman.
• 16:42
  Speaker 6: I don't remember the name, but.
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you can imagine though in season six when he ascended,
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: he's probably everybody I.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: Mean yeah, I mean we never really addressed do we
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: think the galaxy? And Omar? Do you think he did
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: the galaxy?
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: So I think why there was so much baby I naked,
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: how I felt get to, you know, twenty years down
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: the track and they've been with each other, and you
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: get fifty years and by the end of it, overall
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: down the track and they're saying they're farewells, they're not
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: going to and I'm like, yeah, I didn't. I didn't
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: feel like at least in this rewatch. And maybe if
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: I watch it again tomorrow, or if I remembered what
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: I really thought fifteen years ago or something, i'd feel differently,
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: But in this rewatch, I didn't. I didn't watch that
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: and go that that was just there to serve this
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: episode and to make us feel something. It didn't feel
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: completely unjustified for me.
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he did.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: For Ellen, apparently, I was talking with Jacob and Ellen
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: and they'd watched it recently, and yeah, Ellen was very
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: much not a fan of the Daniel Valla did not
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: buy it at all. Yeah. She and I actually got
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: into a quite a heated argument about it. Because I
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: love it.
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: I love that.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: I love the scene with Daniel and Varla. I'm always
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: just seated and silent and staring for that scene. I
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: think it's so good, despite what obviously Cooper says about
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: it in the audio commentary, which we'll get to. But
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: then there's also the moment during the montage where you
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: see Varla crying and Daniel consultant.
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't remember that.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a that was a hit. It's a
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: very much choose your own adventure on what you think
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: that could be in terms of, you know, she's really
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: having trouble dealing with he hit her. Yeah, he hit
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: a maybe teal kid on her, and she cheated on
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: till or whatever. But he was confessing already the way
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: the way the actors and the director played it in
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: the scene, this is the subtext.
• 18:31
  Speaker 6: We talked a lot about what is she crying about?
• 18:33
  Speaker 7: Here?
• 18:35
  Speaker 8: In my mind she had gotten pregnant and last the
• 18:40
  Speaker 8: baby that those were the sorts of things where there
• 18:44
  Speaker 8: are moments that may have happened over you know, the
• 18:46
  Speaker 8: course of fifty years.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: Really I thought it was I don't like hearing that
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: at all, because I thought it was her opening up
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: to Daniel about her life experience and how.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: That's only read it as a lost pregnancy.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: I did too, and that's what Ellen and I got
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: into kind of an argument that She's like, what you
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: and I had to go and find that bit of
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: audio and play it for it, and she was like,
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: you read it. She's like, I don't like that.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: I mean having said that, I'm like, why would you, Like,
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: it's not just like, hey, you can conjure up some
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: some some condoms and make sure that that's not gonna happen.
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: But awesome, you know, hey, me punched it in. Get
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: some after the after morning.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: Yeast, I U D must be fantastic.
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: Just pop one of those, you know. It's just like
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: when you watch you know, Okay, so the quiet Place
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: or a quiet place, sorry love the movie obviously horrific start,
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: and then it skips a couple of years down the
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: road and they're pregnant. I'm like, I want you to
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: still be a passionate, married couple that love each other
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: and you, of course you're gonna still have sex in
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: the post apocalyptic, but like, don't get pregnant, man, And
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: like that made for an exciting, like scary build up
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: the entire film, like what happens when baby is born?
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: And then when the baby is born, it's like you
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: can't stop a newborn baby from crying and a woman
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: going through labor and all that sort of stuff. But
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: it's like, how do you get yourself in this position? Guys?
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: And I'm looking at that guy and you were stuck
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: on a ship like you were technically I guess safe
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: in a way like there are no outside dangers. You're
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: not going to get the house is gonna get destroyed
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: by a hurricane, You're not going to get attacked by
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: grizzlies in a cabin in the middle of the woods
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: or something like that. There are no criminals are going
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: to break in and kill you. But eventually if.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, is the most responsible thing.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And but either way, look, you know again, so
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: was it pure accident, whatever it happens, and then they're
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: excited or you know, she's getting to have a child.
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: That isn't you know, the coming you know of the Antichrist.
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: You know, that's that's just how I read that, And
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: I guess it's just a way of showing something that
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: they probably never would have otherwise delved into, certainly between
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: those two characters.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: And sing aspect, because it's like, yeah, you like you
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: could imagine being stuck in in that ship fifty years
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: just being like, well, do I put my life on
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: hold or do we just have life? You know, just
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: have a live And that's the natural progression, you know,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: for a couple to do, is you know, you know,
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: think about kids and all that kind of stuff. Even
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: whether it's an accident or not. But it's also the
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: I would say irresponsibility of being like you are trapped
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: on a ship in a time dilation bubble. Why and
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: you're all suffering? Like that's the underlying thing is they're
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: trying to have a life while suffering through this. Why
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: would you bring someone else into it who doesn't have
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: a choice, Like if you have a child, that child
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: is now stuck on that why she.
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: Was crying because they it wasn't it was an intentional loss.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it could get done. Yeah, but I
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: mean I do like that it was left ambiguous and
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: that like, like I think Brennan's sort of interpretation is
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: just as valid, And I think that's great what we
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: were talking about the book version in that it can
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: be anything you want it to be, just because the
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: actor and the and the writer felt had that intention
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: the way it was, Yeah, there's no dialogue, there's no context,
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: so you can actually sort of have choose your own
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: adventure with that, which I think was the correct way
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: to do it. What I don't think was the correct
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: quay to it is with the the Daniel Varala scene,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: the fighting scene where they get together is Robert c.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: Cooper's just humbleness on the way he likes to direct.
• 22:22
  Speaker 6: I love that angle.
• 22:23
  Speaker 8: That was one of the third cameras we popped in
• 22:25
  Speaker 8: at the last minute, and it felt sort of Woody
• 22:26
  Speaker 8: Allen ish the way he was sort of working in
• 22:29
  Speaker 8: and out of the frame, and it was not quite
• 22:34
  Speaker 8: online with his with his performance, and it was separated
• 22:38
  Speaker 8: him and made him feel disconnected from her.
• 22:42
  Speaker 7: And I like that.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: Okay, so have I I have I stopped counting it too?
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: Or is he he's compared himself to what do you?
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: I mean, he's done it twice there. He commared himself
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: to will Woody Allen back in Sea Really yeah, oh
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: is that an Allen thing as well?
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah? Who the guy Kubrick?
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, Kubrick.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: But he also mentioned Woody Allen in Stetita as well.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: He say Spielberg or something.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: He's the guy that did a couple of because he
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: was now says three. Yeah, I mean he obviously obviously, Yeah,
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: he's TV's Kubrick or TV's Woody Allen. And also I
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: guess he was saying the shot but like even in
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: that two thousand and what seven, you know, yeah, maybe
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: don't compare yourself to Woody Allen mate, like you know,
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: I don't call me crazy. Yeah, well even just further
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: that's that's all those scenes, even this relationship and what
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: could could possibly come from it. Have both of you
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: guys seen Passengers with Chris Pratt and Jennifer Yes, yeah so,
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: And I don't spoilers for anyone who hasn't seen it,
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: but like you know the premise of that you watch
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: the trailer is that he wakes there on what a journey,
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: like an eighty year journey or something, yeah, from base
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: cruise ship or Earth to wherever to repopulate somewhere, and
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: he accidentally wakes up halfway through and then decides to
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: bring someone else out of stasis. And he just accidentally
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: brings out the hottest chick on the on the ship
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: and goes, oh whoop, see it'll wake you up too.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: And like it's vacuuming and one of the plugs.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: And then like obviously you know their relationship and it's like, well,
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: what do we go back to sleep or do we
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: you know, they enjoy each other's because like what are
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: they supposed to do? And like a whole movie and
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: go go and see it, but like that too. It's
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: like they've they've got a mission to be a part
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: of and what's a responsible thing to do. You've got
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: this relationship, but the environment you're I mean in saying
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: that we all exist in this and you saying something
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: before reminded me of a friend of mine's wedding and
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: the guys she married look a bit of a weird
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: kid anyway, But in his groom's speech, he started going
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: off about how he's got these fears for the future
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: and bringing children into the world because of how the
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: world is, and like whether it's a responsible thing to
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: bring kids in this. I'm like, dude, fun party, Like great,
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: Probably great point for a podcast or something, or a
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: little like a Ted talk, maybe not for delivering the speech.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: And like quote unquote the happy day between you and
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: your missus, And I remember thinking what a fruit lipy
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: sounded like at the time. But then like, I've got
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: four kids now, and there's you know, quite every new week,
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: there's another every week there's a new war popping up
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: or something. And you know, whether it's a climate issue,
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: whether you believe in it or you don't, or just
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: the fact of how hard it is to buy a
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: freaking house at the moment and in the economy, whatever
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: it might be. And I'm sitting there going, what do
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: my kid's future look like in thirty years? They're all
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: like eleven and under, what does that look like for
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: them in thirty And do I you know what if
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: I cart it in a week in ten years and
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: they're growing up and I can't do anything about it?
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: And is it responsible to have had is it responsible
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: to have doubled me and my wife and I have
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: doubled our population between the two of us on this
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: planet ongoing? And is that a responsible thing to have done?
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: And where's this world going? Like, you know, we're only
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: doing what we can with the world. So maybe within
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: their own existence on that ship probably doesn't seem as hope,
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: Maybe not if it was purpose or if it was
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: an accident, but something that they were going to go,
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: we can make this happen, We can make this work.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Were considering that the plan was to travel back in time?
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Was that was that the original Well it was just
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: escape from it, Yeah, try and find a way to
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: like convert.
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: So okay, if they had the kid, it would go
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: all the way to the end, explode and then reverse
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: and the kid wouldn't exist.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, to be the way that kid was, we
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: can imagine, Well, was the what's the phasing thing? I
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: was a bit confused about the idea of what we
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: have to get out of the phase and mantle right,
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: So we have to just sort of switch so that
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: that beam doesn't affect us and then so it's going
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: to pass straight through us and then we can So
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: we're going to go into a different phase, turn the
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: time dilation field offs, it'll pass through us, and then
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: we can escape. And then we've still got to work
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: out what's going to happen beyond that. But like she said,
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: oh years ago, I worked out how to separate our
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: stuff from their stuff, the hyper drive from the Asgard stuff,
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: so that if we ever did escape, it would be
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: the last time we would have to jump away from them.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: But Christ, do you imagine how much darker that ending
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: would have been if they had that kid and it's like,
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: we're going to have to reverse and you're not going
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: to ex or at that point does the kid, Like
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: you imagine that kid was an adult. They're fifty years
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: past when they got together. That kid's middle aged by
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: this point. The kid goes, I'll do it. Imagine pressed
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: a button and they reversed time and they go, who
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: are you?
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: It's like, you're not going to believe dude, that would
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: be cool. This is why the new thesis, This is
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: why I think like this episode should have been a
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: two parter, like we could, like we we've been shitting
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: on like the last kind of five episodes. Surely we
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: could have gotten rid of, you know, the Vali Dad
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: episode that Mitch's idea would have been, so that that's
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: what I mean. We could have spent more time with
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: the Asgard Goodbye, because I don't I don't mind the
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: as Guard doing what they did, like making that sacrifice
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: for us to then take over as the fifth race.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure the kno's got a vote on that,
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: who knows.
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: But with the second coming of the Asgard of the
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: of the.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: Ancient, well yeah, that's that's true but racist, but it's
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: I would have loved to spend more time on that,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: like because obviously, like the planet blows up and then
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: we have no time to actually process that and mourn
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: that and and give that like the pomp and circumstance
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: it requires, like as a TV show, so I would
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: have loved to, like have more time to explore that,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: and then, yeah, I love Mitch's idea. Imagine if we
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: had time to explore the fact that Varla and Daniel
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: had a kid that grew up and then had to
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: try and figure out that, and then suddenly that's a
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: way to like retcon a new character into this show
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: in the final episode. And then just.
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: Like you say, you wanted to be too, but I
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: would love more of this episode. But at the same time,
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: and I guess it's a credit to Robert C. Cooper.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: I didn't feel like this episode was underdone. It didn't
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: feel rushed to me, and I was worried that, yeah,
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: that part was I sorry, I guess I mean the
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: thing that I remembered about this episode, which was just
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: the time dilation stuff, because as I pressed play and
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: I'm watching, I'm like, I don't remember the ass Guard
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: part of this again, if I put aside the synopsis
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: and how long that took before they got to the
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: time dilation stuff, and I thought, how much time were
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: leaving to get an emotional gut punch out of this,
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: Like if they're only actually stuck in this thing for
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: fifteen minutes of screen time. I'm not going to feel
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: like I remember feeling fifteen years ago. I did, but
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: I've been a.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Good second part.
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: I think if the first, if the first episode was
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: about them talking to the ass Guard, collecting and kind
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: of telling an audience who may not have seen the
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: earlier seasons that this is the as Guard, this is
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: the last of their knowledge and when they're giving it
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: to us, which is a great honor and also we
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: need to protect it. Even by the second episode, which
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: we've already got, is just that a bit more high
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: state could have.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: Given this room to get O'Neil in there, potentially got
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: some kind of resolution to the Knox because they still
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: exist out there. We haven't seen them since like season three,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: and they're a member of the of the four Great Races,
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: you know we I mean, they could have even gotten
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: fun and brought the Furlings in for this last episode
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: or something, you know what I mean. There's so many
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: things we could have done so they can just honor
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: the as Guard. But again, I think the problem is Cooper, Uh,
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: that was cold.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: We've got that on record now. That's brilliant, Thank you, Maddie.
• 30:34
  Speaker 8: Mad Obviously a huge huge part of this episode was
• 30:40
  Speaker 8: was the decision to to kill the as Guard.
• 30:43
  Speaker 6: I mean, this this resonated in a big way with
• 30:45
  Speaker 6: with fans. You know, why why would we do that?
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Why?
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: Why?
• 30:50
  Speaker 8: It's hard to believe that people have that much of
• 30:55
  Speaker 8: an emotional attachment to this rubber puppet. So wonderful, but
• 31:01
  Speaker 8: I mean, I mean, isn't it hard? I mean you've
• 31:04
  Speaker 8: had several scenes, yeah, I mean twice on camera.
• 31:11
  Speaker 6: Isn't it amazing?
• 31:12
  Speaker 8: How how he's a character, he's a real lady, the
• 31:15
  Speaker 8: Asgard or a living breathing you know, race of people, and.
• 31:18
  Speaker 6: And uh so, why why why would we kill them?
• 31:22
  Speaker 8: Well, to be honest with you, uh, I think we
• 31:25
  Speaker 8: wanted we wanted this episode to to to have an
• 31:29
  Speaker 8: element of tragedy in it that would reflect how I
• 31:32
  Speaker 8: think we were all feeling.
• 31:34
  Speaker 6: And you know, some people might say, well, isn't it
• 31:37
  Speaker 6: enough that the show is ending. We're all sad about that,
• 31:40
  Speaker 6: and why kill the ascar too much? I think, you know,
• 31:46
  Speaker 6: to us, it was important that that there be.
• 31:51
  Speaker 8: Something of tremendous resonance, that that that got the episode started,
• 31:56
  Speaker 8: something that would make the characters, you know, feel the
• 32:00
  Speaker 8: weight of.
• 32:02
  Speaker 6: What this episode was going to mean.
• 32:03
  Speaker 8: I mean, ultimately, you there's a tremendous amount of obviously
• 32:07
  Speaker 8: pressure to want to make it special, to want to
• 32:12
  Speaker 8: make it everything.
• 32:13
  Speaker 6: That you think obviously fans are going to expect out
• 32:15
  Speaker 6: of the.
• 32:16
  Speaker 8: Last episode, and ultimately, no script, no forty five minutes
• 32:21
  Speaker 8: of television could ever do justice to what we were
• 32:25
  Speaker 8: all feeling. And I think what fans are feeling, you know,
• 32:29
  Speaker 8: having ten seasons come to an end.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Shut up, Cooper. I think it just smacks of not
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: understanding your audience if you think we're not going to
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: be if you reduce the Asgard down to a rubber puppet,
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: like no, ridiculous. You're writing a sci fi show for
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: the last ten years.
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: But bro to fall in love with the characters that
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: you're right, yeah.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: And then later on he like he big notes himself,
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: I can play the one. But he's like, he's like, well,
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: you know, several years ago I wrote an episode called
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: the Fifth Race and blah blah blah blah, and it's
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: just like, you can't have it both ways. You can't
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: talk about how how important the Fifth Race was as
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: an episode and then five minutes early be talking about
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: why why you're confused that the fantom is connected to
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: quote a rubber puppet like it just smacks of not
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: knowing your audience. Yeah, I think I think the big
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: mistake from this show, from the last few seasons is
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Brad right stepping away. I think he was. He was
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: the one that kept the ship on course. And I
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: think as he's been and he's totally within his right
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: to kind of step away and start working on different
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: projects and stuff like that, But I just think.
• 33:38
  Speaker 7: He was.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: He was the north star that we needed to sort of,
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: you know, keep things going, and I think without him
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: here it was a detriment to the show.
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: Hey guys, So I've been trying for five seasons to
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: crack the code for the last Walter diary WHOA, and.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: I couldn't do it.
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: COVID screwed me over a little bit. The thing is
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: that this diary is highly encrypted, so I bought a
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: code hacker from Express. It does work, but it's a
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: little bit strange. The paper on this one is different
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: to the other diaries. It's kind of sparkly and shiny.
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: So anyway, here we go.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: Is that stripper glitter It could be that's a double
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: as well, so as we open the diary. Oh yeah,
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: oh that's that's that's some heavy.
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: Fifth and last, fifth and last, Mitch, is that a
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: sports reference?
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Is that a sports reference?
• 34:43
  Speaker 6: Your references are out of control. Everyone knows that.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: Wow, pops and pans, Mitchell, well done. Oh shit, that's good.
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: This one's titled The Walter Diaries, Part five, Unending Responsibilities,
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: Gate Technicians, Personal log Stargate S ten dot two zero.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: That's one. I'm on the evening shift again.
• 35:09
  Speaker 7: Now.
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: I know what you might be thinking, that I've spiraled
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: into another power trip, drunk off the power of the
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: iris back to raise the blades and mirrors in the street.
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: But no, I haven't fallen out of favor with command.
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: I've volunteered. I'm here with Chet the Trainee Gate Technician.
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: Oh chet Manly, what is that name anyway?
• 35:34
  Speaker 7: Bro?
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: It is a dude.
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: Bro.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that screams you're part of a fraternity.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: Chat.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're part of your legacy legacy. The Air Force
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: have a UNI college. Oh yeah u AF Okay, now
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: that's just an abbreviation for what they are.
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the United States Air Force. Check the Trainee
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: gate Technician plus working back gets me out of pouring
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: drinks for the Admiral's poker buddies or calling his bingo
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: games and Wednesday nights. Does the Air Force admirals I
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: don't know. Soon see do they have generals?
• 36:09
  Speaker 9: They do?
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: Now I'm showing Chet the nighttime protocols, or as General
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: Hammond and I used to call it, wildfire lockdown party.
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: Chet's busy with Latrine Dudy so a so to speak,
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: or as we as the gate technicians like to say,
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: he's off taking a Lidsan and Grogan. Not only have
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: I clawed my way back to head gate technician as promised,
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: but through my trials and tribs, I've been honored with
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: the following Air Force Commendation Medal, Outstanding Unit Award, represent
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: Tech nine, Air Force Medal Achievement, Home World Defense Service Medal,
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: off World Short Tour Service Ribbon, and many more. But
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: most recently I've received the Air Force nco p ME
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: Graduate Ribbon.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: That's a lot of letters. It is thank you.
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: That means the United States Air Force Please, I'm leadership material.
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: That's a double write that down meaning it's a homonym,
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: meaning both the material of the ribbon and the substance
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: of my character, that this is all.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: In here.
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: Alone again in the control room, no Chevron's lit darkness
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: and a hush fall across.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: The gate room. Oh he's getting poetic now.
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: But I peer out to see my ancient Stone friend
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: in the shadows, a dormant volcano ready to blow at
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: any second, like General Hammond during a self destruct, A
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: pretty boy cumface when Colonel Carter wheels in the giant
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: black light.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: I wrote a poem.
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: It goes like this, Built by ancients long ago, the
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: stargate lay till Danny broke the code. Now it takes
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: us through the universe on our mission to gate back
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: to Earth. We are hunted and on the run, but
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: together we overcome fighting evil through the gap Lexy Stargate
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: SG one.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: I thought he'd be a haikuman, but he he put
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: the ethord in there. That's that's impressive.
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: That's the Stargate Infinity opener.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: Have the backing music for that one. So what was
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: is it? We're saying that that the Walter Harriman was
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: actually the ghost rider for Stargating Infinity. He's to blame.
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: It's an in world.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: It's like the spinoff of Wormhole extremes. Yeah, He's like, well,
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to be in it. I'll draw cartoons
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: or can be in it. General Landry and SG one
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: are missing.
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: Reports from p three x four seven four say they
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: went rogue accepting an invitation from the Asgard Suicide Squad.
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: I'm now glad I never received an invite. They were
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: last scene aboard the Odyssey, tracked by Auro motherships, missing
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: in action, but unofficially presumed dead their own arrogant fault.
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: That was months ago. Hard to believe that I may
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: have lost three of the great generals I've worked with
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: in this command. Word to General Hammond rip the og original.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: General and General we Air obviously was great.
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: Speaking of generals, Jack O'Neil was beside himself over the
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: loss of SG one. He was here at Stargate Command.
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: I bumped into him in the hallway. I immediately apologized,
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: and he continued past, clearly deep.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: In thought, aks like he knows him a lot, and then.
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: He bumps into him. He apologizes and he goes best
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: we can do, sorry, sir.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: And I'm still stuck back on as Gods Suicide Squad
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: because now in my brain I'm just picturing the suicide
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: Squad movie remade with Asgard Poppet. Yeah, that's all I.
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: Can see in my head right now. O'Neil was furious,
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: and why wouldn't he be. He commandeered the Daedalust and
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: hasn't been seen since. The new president has instated Richard
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: Woolsey of the I Away is the new leader of
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: the sgc OH.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: Putting Woolsey in charge of anything in the Stargate program
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: is a massive mistake. Exactly, who would ever do that?
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: He's an old man. Bro's like an a prior as
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: some ship, but not the worst command of this facility's
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: ever had. That's doctor Elizabeth. We come on now, last bit.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say, because Walter is a weird fan.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: We know Walter is a weird fan. He and Chuck
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: write fanfic about her through the wormhole.
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: He appreciates authoritative women.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: Exactly, Elizabeth John disrespect good.
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: Richard Woolsey is anal. He made me re submit my
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: parking spot application in triplicate, using an N one and
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: form instead of an I thirty seven, so you can
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: understand my frustration.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: It feels like the kind of guy who'd also be like, no,
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: you use blue pen I need to use black pen. Yeah, exactly. Yeah,
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: why did you use this number two? Yeah?
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: Little does he know that he's going to be swimming
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: in G seventy two? Well, I have no idea what
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: that means.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, is that a form? Is that a weapon?
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: We know exactly.
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: I now understand why the Pegasus Expedition gave Woolsey a nickname.
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: The man who travels through the veins and bowels of
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: the universe for executive performance audits, they nicknamed him Woolsey
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: the Milky Way dick vein.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: Is that like the Snicker's vein? Is that what that's Yeah,
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: he's with his audit reports oozing down over his desk. Oh,
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: this is giddy graphic.
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: There was light at the end of the parking tunnel
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: a while back. General the Hawk Talk Talk Tunnel. General
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: Landry knew I had an application for a reserved parking spot.
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: A minor mishap off World left the parking spot next
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: to the general vacant, but Landry had a traffic ballard
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: installed so no one could park next to him in
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: case someone scratched his car. I mean, which is fair,
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: I mean makes sense if you think about it.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: What kind of Cardier reckon that General Andry would drive.
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: Is he gonna have an old classic or I think
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: he would have like a modern like a like a
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: Chrysler or something like that.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like one of those big what the three
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: fifty z's or whatever that. Yeah, yeah, I can see him.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: No one parks next to me on so what he
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: might be dead. Screw that guy.
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: Bro didn't thank me for fixing the gate so he
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: could go through in his two hundred wormhole about Also,
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: there was talk of cake, and I never received a piece.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: I parked. We're nearly done. I parked it.
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: I've parked in tilk spot once, but I think Chet
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: told him about it, because every more morning after that,
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: Tilk was standing in the parking spot, right on top
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: of the sprayed paint first prime apofice, arms behind his back,
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: just watching me drive past. And Tims did him have
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: a car?
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: That's right?
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: I made sure never to make eye contact obviously. Yeah,
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: I mean the guy doesn't own a car. I'm not
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: even sure he has a license. Bullshit, your wipe. He's
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: not allowed off off base enough to need a car
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: exactly except when he drives to Escalade when he's about
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: to do some shady black op.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: Ship, but he's with his beanie yeah or berry some dude.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: What I'd love is for Tilk to have had like
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: you know how he always wears that black beanie to
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: cover his tattoo. I'd love for him to wear a
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: black beanie that then has yeah right, because they have them,
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: don't they surely? Hell yeah you r.
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: I wiped out TECH nine, my infamous gangster rap group.
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: Amy Schumer was shot down but went out. Oh now
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: there's the win out of everything here. Amy Schumer went down,
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: was shot down, but went out swinging by clutching on
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: Tilk's AS twelve. I feel a bit silly beef with
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: SG one now that you know they're dead. The burden
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: never leaves us. But I haven't given up hope yet
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: on SG one or my parking spot. I think I
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: hear check coming back. So this is me signing out.
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: And remember it does say technician on my uniform for
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: I'm Walter. I am the one who locks.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: Signed Chief Master Sergeant Norman Walter Davis Harriman the third PS.
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: It's raining peace to all and hallowed are the your
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: eye WHOA.
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: See now there was the missed opportunity making daniela pride.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: They should have made Walter shit. That would have been
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: some seriousness.
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: As you least expect, and I imagine.
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: That so there was some easter eggsit there the Mitch,
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: So that was actually an alternate reality Walter.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: S g One didn't make it.
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: During Unending, and that was thing I probably didn't give
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: a lot of thought about. Like during this episode, there
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: was enough sort of like scene to scene that I
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: didn't stop and going on, what what would have been happening? Like,
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: you know, had they I mean it's different. Time dilation
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: makes things a little bit skewish when you ask those questions,
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: But yeah, what what have what? What would that future
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: have have become?
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: Well, if you think about it, s g One wouldn't
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: have been able to shoot any of the ORIR ships
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: because they would have no Asgard technology. So the outs
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: Guard would get a major foothold in the in the
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: Milky Way and pretty much be able to take over
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: the entire galaxy. And that's what my that backstory and
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: that Walter Diaries for me, is that the ore I
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: have taken over. O'Neill's not happy with it. They turned
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: Walter into a Prior and you know, they turned Woolsey
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: into a prior Jack style the Daedalus and interesting because
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: what what would happen? That's what Hmmm, Yeah, I guess
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: because heaps of people would be dead.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: I guess it's not confirmed until you know Arc of Truth.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: But obviously we find out in Dominion that you know,
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: Adria confirms, well, Ball confirms that the Ari are dead,
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: but their followers are not. So yeah, you know they
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: still have all those So the Priors have their powers.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: That's a good question, I would I would say yes,
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: given that Aduria is still around and there is a
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: little bit of confirmation on that, you know, she and
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: it's got to do with the staff too, right, Yeah,
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: and obviously that power is bestowed to them.
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: Is it like a little affordable Wi Fi router the stuff?
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: Like they've got powers in themselves, but it emits from
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: I mean, you.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: Wait to the Arc of Truth, mate, you know, sure,
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: it's a very important, important aspect. I've got to think
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: on the right the right Wavelane.
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So I think like there's been a you know,
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: a few moments in episodes, especially as we build up
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: towards the end, and we covered it in dominion about
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: like just oh, stuff happening in the background. Oh that, yeah,
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: now I don't worry. Yeah that happened. It's like, what
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: that seems like it should have been a lot bigger,
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: And even in this with the fact that I didn't
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: remember it being anything about the asgard or about their technology,
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: and you know, Okay, they're dying, and I'm like, I
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: think I have a memory of like, you know, they've
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: been building towards that anyway, Like they've been saying, you know,
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: we're a dying race. We haven't been able to you know,
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: reproduce and all that sort of stuff, and like that
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: line in this where they go, oh, they've re engineered
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: and you know and copied and cloned themselves to within
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: the point where they actually can't ascend because they're not
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: their natural cells anymore. Like then they're not real they can't,
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: they can't.
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: They're even gonna have issues where they can't like download
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: themselves into fresh bodies anymore.
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: Like they're just they're so done and yeah like yeah, okay,
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: we're just we're pulling the plug before we lose all
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: over our marble sort of thing. But then they start
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: getting attacked by like Okay, so that plant. I'm gonna
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: pretend like I don't remember anything, don't nothing, I'm just
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: coming in and I'm just I know bits and piece
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: of this episode. That planet is the you as Guard planet.
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: Oh that's Marilla.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: That's really we saw that a couple of seasons ago,
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: remember with the Replicators invaded it with Fifth and all
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: that kind of st Yeah. So, and that's another thing too,
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: that's the one I know Neil went to in Fifth Race. Yes, okay, yeah,
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: a reala in the galaxy Othala. Yeah, which is weird
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: because that also means that the a I are outside
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: of the Milky Way and they're in a different galaxy
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: chasing us down as well. Sorry, continue with your point.
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, actually that Yeah, that's interesting. I don't think Cooper
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: thought about that, but because why wouldn't he be after
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: the as Guard.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: Why wouldn't they be after the as Guard before this day? Yeah,
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: And like like you said, the problem they made with
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: season nine and ten is they made Ascension location specific.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: You know, so you know, if if the Ancients are
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: letting the or I do whatever the one in their
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: home galaxy and not really stop think I'm doing anything
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: in the Milkyway Galaxy. What about the Oarthala galaxy or Pegasus.
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: Or anything like that, and that kind of that could
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: have been the better kind of first episode of this
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: finale is if the Asgard are getting overrun and then
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: they decided to do to give us the technology and
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: then the area destroy them. Yeah, instead of this. The
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: suicide thing is just odd.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of get it, like, you know, they
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: want to they wanted to end it on their own
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: terms before they became a problem or an issue or
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: or a danger. But also, like I said, why didn't
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: they reach out their friends, the Knox or yeah, anything
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, the Knocks can heal, yeah, yeah, like
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: and you know that's part of the as far as
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: we know, it's the only member of the four Great
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: Races leftus aside from the as Guard is the Knox. Yeah.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: So it's weird that we never actually see the Knox
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: and the as Guard in a scene together. Yeah, which
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: is weird. But sorry, Mitchell, we we.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: It's just no, no, no, it was like again, I
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: just think it's working off last week with the with
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: the Adura stuff and and just and I actually rewatched
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: that to go into unending and just watching that ending again,
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: going how much we don't even It's not even like
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: we don't see it as the series or as a
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: season goes on. We just get told stuff after. But
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: even the end of that episode, we don't even see
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: what happens to her, like we just sort of see
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: someone's reaction to it. So this is all very very strange.
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: And then for them to still get to the end
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: of the episode, yeah it might be, this might be that. No, no, no, no,
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, we'll got two episodes left, like, surely
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: you know a little bit about again if they know
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: that these movies are coming, and even if the public
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: didn't know, whatever, Okay, we can pick it up later.
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: But then this one, as god, planet blows up and
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: they go and when they start getting attacked and oh,
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: we're gonna we're gonna bounce, and Thor just disappears and
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: all the our's gotta go on, and then they just
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: like in my head, I don't know why, I was
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: like the fact that the planet was blowing up, I'm like, oh,
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: that's that's a shame, because it was a meat Like
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: in my head, I probably didn't even hear like the
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: name of the planets. It's like we've just picked a
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: meeting place, come meet here. They've beamed in from another ship,
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: and so when they beamed out, they've went off to
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: another ship to just high tail it out there. They
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: don't have the firepower to take it on the Ori,
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: they don't have the strength physically to be whatever it
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: might be. And also they can't risk that they're going
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: to die because they're there to do what they were
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: doing with SG one. They need to preserve everything. We
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: can't even risk being here to help you survive this battle.
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: So we're just going to beam out to our other ship.
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: We're going to go and then for whatever reason, the
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: OROI decided to blow up the planet as well. And
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: then it's just like yeah, okay, so they're done done.
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: That's that's yeah, that's so.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: It is weird when you think about it, the fact
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: that the as Guard can retrofit as Guard beam weapons
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: onto the Odyssey that can take out and we just
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: have the one ship in our galaxy. That thing within
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: about ten minutes takes out what like three Ari vessels.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: Where's the Asgard fleet? You know what I mean? We
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: had a bunch of those ships before you kill yourselves.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: Can you just like do like sweep the galaxy?
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you can do a long range scan. You know
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: where these pricks are.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: Can you just park all your ships over there outside
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: the blast radius of your planet? Because totally like they
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: were kind of it's weird that they were kind of
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: almost useless against the au I fight at the start
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: of this season slash the end of last season, like
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: we saw a couple of as guardships get destroyed, but
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: then the Odyssey is able to take out multiple Ari
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: ships in this American Yeah, that's true, But just on
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: what you were saying, Mitchell. When Jacob and Ellen watched
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: un Ending and I spoke before about how, you know,
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: Ellen was a certain fan of certain things, they came
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: up with a really clever idea.
• 52:49
  Speaker 10: I was trying to work up a pun including maidies,
• 52:53
  Speaker 10: gators and maybe even meter because it's somewhere in the
• 52:56
  Speaker 10: middle you mad from cars. I just couldn't make it work,
• 52:58
  Speaker 10: So that's what we got. Anyway, I can't believe it's
• 53:01
  Speaker 10: already unending. I had some thoughts from when I showed
• 53:05
  Speaker 10: this to Ellen for the first time. She had something
• 53:09
  Speaker 10: to say which I had never thought of. But I
• 53:13
  Speaker 10: totally agreed with, and so she was quite disappointed with
• 53:18
  Speaker 10: this finale. I was to you know, I didn't even
• 53:21
  Speaker 10: know Arc of Truth and Continue More Continue More a
• 53:23
  Speaker 10: thing at this time when I watched it for the
• 53:26
  Speaker 10: first time. So I was super disappointed because I was like, really,
• 53:28
  Speaker 10: that's all. But she thought they should have swapped Unending
• 53:32
  Speaker 10: and Dominion and had Dominion be the finale. And I
• 53:36
  Speaker 10: heard that and I thought, yeah, you're totally right, Like,
• 53:42
  Speaker 10: how good of a cliffhanger for a series would it
• 53:45
  Speaker 10: be where it's like, you wrap up the storyline is
• 53:49
  Speaker 10: somewhat but there's more to be desired and the final
• 53:54
  Speaker 10: thing is Adria ascending. Wouldn't that she's so eager to
• 54:02
  Speaker 10: see the movie to wrap it up like that would
• 54:04
  Speaker 10: have been such a better finale than oh, look, we
• 54:08
  Speaker 10: had a little adventure that never actually happened.
• 54:12
  Speaker 8: Whoao.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's not a bad like they always say,
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: you know, hindsight is always twenty twenty and whatever, fifty
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: to fifty. But I don't hate that idea. It's not bad.
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: I just don't like the minion that much, so I
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: don't think it's a Yeah. I mean, we obviously we reworked.
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: I mean in last like two weeks ago and sort
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: of came up with a slightly better version. I understand
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: what production was trying to, like have this, you know,
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: this adventure. They want to have this as this sort
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: of you know, this this final sort of of adventure.
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: But also, and I think some of the criticism of
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: this episode were, like back in the day, was it's
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: also a show called Stargate and ninety five percent of
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: the episode takes place on a spaceship, and the Stargate
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: is actually not a part of the episode at all.
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: The only time we see the Stargate is the fan
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: service scene at the end where they have their their
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: tearful Indeed moment.
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: I actually didn't even think about the Stargate.
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know, they John pulled the ship out
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: of this, they can't pull.
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: The ship out of it.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: And funnily enough, that's the final moment, the whole sort
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: of ending scene. You can't even really credit the best
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: part of it to Cooper.
• 55:28
  Speaker 8: Indeed, and of course the tribute to to Indeed, Yeah,
• 55:32
  Speaker 8: everybody gets to say Indeed at the end, she.
• 55:34
  Speaker 6: Cried, Yeah, we came up with that on the day.
• 55:37
  Speaker 6: It's the cast wonderful.
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: I asked you, it was the cast, so the cast
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: him yeah, yeah, like yeah, great actors came up, Yeah,
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: I guess.
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: I guess you guys, after being together for ten years
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: or you know, for three of you, do you know
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: really that's when you your characters had to come out
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: of you and really write on scenes. And I love that.
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: I love that, man, I really love that. It was
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: just no, it was yeah, yeah, And given that, what
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: was it you could fix my work two weeks ago
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: or three weeks or whatever. When I was playing the
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: stuff of Joe and Paul being Dick's talking about how
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: just you know, maybe they could just you know, read
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: the scene as written, you know maybe, And we got
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: those five lackluster episodes and probably one of the most
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: gut punching moments in this finale let alone the season,
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: is the entire team saying indeed and Tilk having the
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: realization He's like, do I say indeed? A lot? Like
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: that was a cast moment, and two out of five
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: of those people have ever been on the show for
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: a year and a half, like, like, to.
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: Be honest, it did that. It didn't move the needle
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: too much for me having them all say it, because
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: it felt like it was obvious in a way that that.
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: But where Carter says, whatever she said to Til for
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: him to then it must kill you to not tell us,
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: and he's like, indeed, because it's not just oh, there's
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: his moment to say that when he hasn't said it
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: in this episode, or hasn't said it in a couple
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: of episodes, or what it might be. That's his word,
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: But why he would say that, what it means for
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: him because of what we know he sacrificed and all
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: that that that gave me the gut punch, And that
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: was the goosebump moment between the I don't hate that
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: they did it, and if anything, I love that they
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: did it because then in retrospect, Cooper can be pissed
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: that they did it because he didn't write it, and
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: everyone loves it.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: If I recommend everyone go back and watch rewatch that
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: scene again because if you look very very close, and
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: if you listen very closely, you can hear Christopher Judge's
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: voice cracking where he says indeed, because he was a mess. Yeah,
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: he was one of the shots with like the classic
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: sort of raking shot of the team. The reason Tilk
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: was at the far back is because he couldn't get
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: his shit together. He was emotionally just a mess. He
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: was crying was he was Jennifer Aniston on the Friends finale,
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: Like just the slightest thing would have him crying that
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: in nine to eleven anything. And then also they we
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: spoke about this back in that weird Carter episode where
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: she went to the Alternate Reality thing and stuff like that,
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: where she shot that scene with Rodney or whatever in
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: the morning, like the goodbye scene, and then came and
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: shot this in the back half of the day. All
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: this stuff. That final shot of them walking up the
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: ramp was the final thing shot and it was shot
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: at one am when they went actually wrapped everything up.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: But yeah, all that stuff in the gate scene was
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: kind of the final thing actually shot. So it's weird
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: to think that Carter, like Amanda Tapping, would have shot
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: most of unending then went and did some pickups with
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: Rodney for that that weird Alternate Reality episode, had lunch,
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: and then spent the rest of the day having an
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: absolute cry fest doing this final scene in the gate room.
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: And it was nice for to you know, like with
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: with Walter doing the full seven chevrons. He got everything,
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: were ready, okay, go for chevron one sort of thing,
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: and it took. It was the longest dial up sequence of.
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: All time, which does tie you into what you were
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: saying before. I wonder if we worked out the math,
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: like by the time you take out all the Asguard
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: stuff at the start and all that stuff at the end. Yeah,
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: how long did they actually spend in the time dilation bubble? Yeah,
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: of the forty minutes, but it still felt long enough. Yeah,
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: it didn't feel.
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: And you could have you know, if I didn't see it,
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: you could have told me that they made an hour
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: long special. It wasn't forty minutes and sixty minutes, and
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: I would have believed you because it felt like, Okay,
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: the as Gud stuff, we can just for what they mean.
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: I think if they were Alien X, you know, shove
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: anyone else in their side characters that we don't care about,
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: it would have been fine. It's just what it meant
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: to what that character and that race meant to this
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: entire show's run. But as far as it being about
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: our characters alone, if we selfishly take the as Guard
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: out of it, I think it was it was pretty
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: well balanced, which is a special thing, especially for me
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: having not watched it in like fifteen years. And then
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: you know, I was watching as a fan, and then
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: we've decided for the last you know, eight years to
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: make a podcast out of it and talk about what
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: we love about this show. So I mean, I didn't
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: ever worry, but maybe that was out of being naive,
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: but it would have been a shame to have gotten
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: to this point, watched this episode and go ah, oh,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: it's not as great as I remember, you know, and
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: then that be my lasting memory because then I don't
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: want to rush back into into watching it yet. My
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: youngest boy, seven years old, he walks in halfway through
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: and he's looking at the frozen beam of energy coming
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: about to hit the ship. He's like, what you Then
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: he saw it again, like five minutes later, he goes,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: what is that? I said, oh, actually, and I'm like,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: they're stuck in like they're frozen in time and they've
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: tried to stop so that they the thing's gonna blow
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: them up and blah blah blah. And I said look,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: and he ducked out and he came back in and
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: I'm watching something else and he said, I was just
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: still Stargut. I said, no, no, I finished that. But
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: it's good you didn't watch it, because that's the last
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: episode of starget sgu won't ever And he's like, oh wow,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: here has no idea that that means a thing. And
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: I'm like, so if you were to watched that, that's
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: like the worst spoiler ever, right, and he's laughing. I'm like,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: good because now when you get older, if you ever
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: want to watch it, we can watch all of it.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: And he's like, oh, it gets really excited the idea
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: of us watching TV. I'm like, no, no, no, don't
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: just say yes, we will do this or you are
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: ready and you are old enough to appreciate this show.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: We will do this at Matt Damon Gift. Yeah, care
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: for Dream or something. Yes.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not my kids that want to watch. They're like,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: we want to watch these movies. You just keep stopping us.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: You don't let us. I'm like, because you've got any ready,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: you're not vat my kids. I had a big thing
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: about it last week. I said that will sit there
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: and watch an episode of the Simpsons that they haven't
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: seen it. We'll go for twenty two minutes and they'll
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: talk during the middle of it, they'll get up and
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: leave the room, and I'm like, because they're so used
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: to the idea that you can just rewind something. And
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: you know, we were listening to something on the radio.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: You're not watching it, right, Yeah, well kind of. Yeah,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: We're like, we're driving home the other day, listen to
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: drive time radio and you know, I don't always listen
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: to it. I'm not always in the car at that time.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: They're saying something. It's a funny story, so just a second, mate,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: just let me listen to this, and they just keep
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: talking over it, and then the song starts and I go,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: I missed that. Now I can't just re wind that.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: I said. You guys are so used to growing up
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: and everything is replayable and if you miss something, you
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: can be started again. You can go back to it later,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: I said, working modo.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: You know, so you know you have to watch these
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: TV shows with me and watch them the right way. Yeah,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: that's why you're not allowed to watch anything yet. Let
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: me film your reaction.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly as I've done before.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: That's why I've thatt you watch eight episodes of Power
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: Rangers because you have to watch them with me. Yeah.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: Kind of, yeah, they should be a lot further ahead
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: in their power ages watch them and Simpsons were up
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: to season seven, but like Lord of the Rings, they
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: really want to watch. This doesn't applied to mat obviously,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: but I'm like, I don't think you are old enough
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: for your generation, which is just so the tiktoks what
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: quickness right now? W Yeah. But I'm like, either way,
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: I don't want to pl kind of. I don't want
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: to put a three hour film on where it's a
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: lot of walking and a lot of talking. I said,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: there's some great action and it drops in every fifteen
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: minutes or whatever, but the rest of it, I don't
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: want you to get just.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 8: This.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm like, you have to your brain has to
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: be mature.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: It's fine. I mean there's five endings. If they missed three,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: it's fine, doesn't matter.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 4: The next time in the extended versions, because they're not
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 4: watching that first time.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: I'll get him to watch that one scene from Clerk
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: so the guy explains it. And actually I did that
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: watching Napoleon.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 4: They had the director's cut or the theatrical cut, and
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 4: I'm like, I'll do the theatrical And it missed heaps
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 4: of ship. She had just done the director's cut.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: All right, Yeah, I wanted to. I wanted to see
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: it at the cinemas when they only released I think
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: they only released the theatrical cut, like the shorter cut
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: in theaters, with the promise that once it hit Apple,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: it was going to be that extra hour and a
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: half longer. And then it still wasn't for like three months.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: And I saw that the other day that the extended
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: cut is on there, and now all of a sudden, I'm.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: Like, watch both still.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: Knowing that the theatrical cut kind of got hammered.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: So I mean, I mean, why bother, Why bother watching
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: director's cuts and all that kind of stuff when the
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: only director you really need is Robert C. Cooper See Cooper.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 8: I think that that particular shot, that type of shot
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 8: is one of my one of my stylistic signatures. I
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 8: particularly loved having foreground characters big in the frame.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: And directed three episodes.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 6: I just like the composition of that.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: They're the best thing.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: Look, you could just open up that. There should be
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: a jpeg on that on that email if you just
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: want to open up so the Ew and Brennan can
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: see that screen and just look at what he's talking
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: about that's his signature, that's his signature shots. It's a
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: person in the foreground and other people behind him. It's
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: never been done. It's called television groundbreaking. Woody Allen, who
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: you have to get the focus rate? Yeah, they call
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: it pulling the folks. It's four people standing looking at
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: the camera.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: It's like he grew up in our kids generation where
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: if you try and video something on your phone, everything's
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: in focus.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden he discovers folks all
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: the cinematic on an iPhone and going, I don't know,
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: I'm going to tell them, I'm just gonna hit. I'm
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: just gonna hit on the day and when they watch this,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: when it airs, their mine's going to be blinded.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: Can you know what.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: I'm going to be my own director of photography today,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: even the cinematographer. I'm going to teach him some ship.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: Can we please, can we please upload that image onto
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: our socials and this episode comes out and maybe just
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: maybe just think for Emmy consideration or something like that,
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: under the considerations best cinematography. His signature.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: This is the favorite scene of for those listening.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 4: The picture is Colonel Mitchell in the foreground of sitting
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 4: in on the bridge of the bridge of the laundry
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 4: and the commanded chair Tilks standing next to him and
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 4: Daniel on the console. Yeah, so just for dudes, just
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 4: like nothing, but obviously not touching because that's his other signature.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: Does look like doing something.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: He's tickling the lower back, Yeah, unstrapping his.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: Bro man's I just I just thought they wouldn't be
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: allowed to touch given that Cooper is such a homophobe.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: And I would say the signature for Robert Ker for me,
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: would be this moment in the episode you do like girls. Yes,
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: just to be clear, that's my signature. That's my signature.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: Gay no gay, no men touching.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: You know they have like all the directors have their
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: jj abrams matter He's got he loves his lens flair
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: and John wu loves his slow mode doves and Cooper's like,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: my signature is homophobia. You know that there won't be
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: a piece of content that I will create without being homophobic.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: Somewhere there will be a homophobic moment, if not a
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: full blown character. Yeah. That was that was pretty That
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: was pretty definite. That was what I said in the podcast.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: Couple of episodes ago when my son was coming out
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: of surgery. So he's still, you know, just teeming with
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: anesthetic running through his body, and we're just asking him
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: about girlfriends at school. We started to have a boyfriend.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: I'm not gay. I'm like, dude, you're eleven. Calm down.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: That'd me angry.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, I've got to get I'm gonna get sedated
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: next week or the week after and get an end
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: of copy. So feel free to come pick me up.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: And you know, I'm fun with that. Yeah, who knows
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: what I'll say some real shit.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: I kind of wish that they were so Amana Tapping
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: and Chris Judge had their own little sort of fun
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: in this episod, I think because they probably weren't given
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: enough to do really sort of emotional wise, but they
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: did have their own little thing that given how homophobic
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: Cooper is, I kind of wish it had been like
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: Browder and Judge or something like that. But if you're
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: watching the episode, just keep an eye on Carter and
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: Tilk and having their little moments.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 5: Now, there's something that the audience may not necessarily notice
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 5: that Christopher and I because there's an obvious relationship between
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 5: Daniel and Bella. Christopher and I have tried to make
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 5: a Carter Tilk relationship, but without making it really obvious.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 6: That we had all these storylines playing, had these.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 5: Moments that we just and it was just really fun
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 5: for Chris and I to just find little stolen moments
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 5: or looks in the montages, a little touch on the
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 5: shoulder with we had. We could have cleared it up
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 5: way more than what we did, but we just wanted
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 5: to be just enough that the audience goes. Maybe some
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 5: people notice it, maybe some people don't.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: The most obvious one is if you if you watch
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: the scene after Landry passes away and they're all sitting
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: at the table together, if you look really closely, Carter
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: and Tilk actually holding hands.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I probably I honestly don't think I would
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: have thought anything.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought I knew they were embracing. I didn't
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 4: realize it was handholding. Yeah, this is a little and
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 4: for me, Like.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: You know, Tilk's not an idiot. He would have seen
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 3: the signs there that one and Carter had a thing
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: for each other. And even though they're stuck on a
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: ship where they're probably going to eventually die in the
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 3: in the blackness of space, somewhere lost. He still he's
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: will probably wouldn't cut his mates grass, you know what
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: I mean. I think he was like, well, she's never
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: going to get home to cut to That's what I mean.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: I still think.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: So the thing that I can do to be the
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: best wingman to me is make sure that she gets
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: some good lover and on this show, service your bitch
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: for your Yeah, we get some get some big, didn't
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: he Like?
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: Imagine him walking around like we cut thirty years on
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: and he's got the maddest ponytail you have ever ever seen,
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: and he's just walking around topless for no reason. Well,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: okay with that. So clearly Vala and Daniel are a thing.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: And then it was I think maybe it was a
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: Christmas so it wasn't like twenty years down the track,
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: but they very clearly established their own a relationship because
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: they had. They were sitting there very happily laughing with
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: each other and joking, but very close with everybody before Christmas.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: A few more montage bits come back. It's the Christmas
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 3: episode and Mitchell sort of gets up over the table
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: and I forget which one, but he cause he kisses
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: one of both both. Yes, I mean he kisses one.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: I forget which one was first. He kiss one and
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 3: it kind of makes okay, and then he goes everyone
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: kisses the other one. And I didn't even think about
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 3: it being a mistletone. I'm like, you know what, Yeah,
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: let's let's let's have a freak off here, like you know,
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 3: let's everyone why like in a way, why not? Like
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: what are they going to do?
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: Like I still like, for fifty years all Ben Brown,
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: I saw all Kem Mitchell was doing listening to you
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: and your hand tonight.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: But I think that was that was his What would
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 3: he have done to have had that that memory machine
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: where he could just literally relive as as sort of
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: visceral as it was ever going to again his former experiences.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, or he and Tilk just swapping swapping memories like
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: sharing porn.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's I still like, regardless of whatever
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 3: it was, just hey, let's just this is an Augie situation.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: There's you know, the five versts, and then you've got
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: laund Launch.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: Still involved, and he's just off like he's.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 3: Plants.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: Where do they go?
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 3: It's even thirty every Thursday to the other end of
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: the ship and it's like, don't go in there, it's stinks.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: Still didn't bandage his primtale wound.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, poor bastard too. Were they like obviously
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: artificially manufacturing some tratonin as well, Like, dude, when you're
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: already having to rely on an artificial you know, drug
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 3: to replace the alien that was keeping you alive, ye
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 3: absolutely hate and despise, and now you're having ships alive.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: Holy hell, man, like just and then that was and
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: then still he's the guy that has to remember all
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: of that ship.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And fun fact, someone did the someone did the
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: math and said at the end off now with his
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: back he's got his little peppilo pew, you know, strip
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: of white, because apparently that's how people go gray. Someone
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: did the math. Is that he's now one hundred and
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: fifty eight years old. Yeah, which makes him fifteen years
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: older than Bratakh cool.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: Now, so it's like the Obie lad now.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 3: And when we had that from a episode a couple
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: of episodes ago, we said, that's the last we see
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: a break at all. Right, he doesn't come back to
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 3: the movies. So that would I mean not that they
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: would have been like, oh I'm older now, but like
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: the idea that we could have had that that would
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: have been fun.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: But also the epitome of black dot crack. Fifty eight
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: year old Christopher Judy the next to bretag and he's like, well,
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: I'm actually fifteen years older than you.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 3: So I reckon. They had a couple of extra like
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: too many shots of Tilk coming to the realization it
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: was going to have to be him to make the
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 3: sacrifice when they said one of us is going to
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 3: have to stick around because he was he was there
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 3: present for the conversation, but he wasn't involved in the conversation.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 3: Carter was explaining it. Mitchell's in there sort of gone,
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 3: I think we've got whatever we've got, We've got to
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 3: give it a shot. Daniel still like, is there any
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 3: other way out?
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: Or whatever?
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 3: Was going on Varla because she loves to talk about
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 3: anything with anything. They were involved. Tilk, in the signature
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 3: style of Robert C. Cooper, was in the background and
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 3: blurred out for some of the those shots that I
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 3: would have loved if we didn't make it so obvious
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 3: that he was going to go put his hand up
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 3: and go me guys, Yeah, Like I think them talking
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 3: and maybe even if in that moment, twenty percent of
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 3: the audience, sixty percent of the audience go, it's got
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: to be Tilk, Like we haven't really seen him age
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 3: because a Jaffar don't an age like the ro or
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: whatever it was. I just don't think we needed. There
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: was probably three shots where it was just just a
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 3: close up of him and of him sort of like
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 3: looking down to the floor. Then he turned to the side,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: then he would sort of look over again and take
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: another step to the other side of the room like
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 3: he was waiting for a silence where he would put
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: his hand up and say, you know, it's going to
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 3: be me. And I just wish we didn't have that,
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: Like I don't know whether that makes it more of
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 3: an emotional sort of sacrifice for the audience. Oh, that
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 3: come out of nowhere, Like it wasn't ever going to
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 3: come out of nowhere. It was the obvious choice. But
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 3: I still would have liked if we just didn't get
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: enough obvious points that That's.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: Where I think, Yeah, I think you all your idea
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: is better. It should have been Daniel and VALA's adult child.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 5: Oh.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 3: I hadn't thought about that until literally the words are
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 3: coming out of my mouth. I'm just thinking about the
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 3: complication of that, because I mean, we don't even get
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 3: that conversation. We don't even get Tilk saying anything too Carter.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 3: He grabs her hand, she has, Tilk, what are you doing?
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 3: All of a sudden it's a bloke who's looking slightly
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: older and he's got Grady's hair, And then we just
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 3: see the ship take off, Like we don't ever get that.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: We don't need that conversation because she's going to I
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 3: guess whatever he said in short, she's gonna believe because
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 3: of how passionately he was saying it. But we don't
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 3: ever get that moment back at the base where he
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: is saying, by the way, this is why I did this,
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 3: Like you know he's got other than the gray hair.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 3: We don't know, there's nothing to go off, Like, who's
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 3: to say that whatever she was about to do wasn't
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 3: actually gonna They didn't know it wasn't gonna work until
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 3: they were already stuck in the time dilation and feel like, oh,
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 3: hang on, no, we don't have a proper answer. See
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 3: him coming on going do this, It's like, okay, sure,
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 3: why not? So I don't know where I would have
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 3: liked it from a writing point of view, less so directing,
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 3: because the writing and put one locked off camera, we
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 3: can get anything. We've been a writing and then an
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 3: acting point of view. What does that scene play out?
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 3: And I hate those moments in film and in TV
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 3: where you get these really key, like either mythology defining
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 3: or scene defining, character turning moments that they hide with
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 3: a pullback of a shot and the score takes off
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 3: as the voices slowly disappear, and you're like, no, I
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 3: want to know what the acting is like there? What
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 3: what does that conversation actually look like? Because that's not
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 3: a real world situation. So how to real people in
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: an unreal situation explain something like that to people? And
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 3: we just get the huh, you're not just not going
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 3: to tell me anything nothing interesting happened? Oh you like,
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 3: we don't get any We get the fun of it.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 3: I get that we'd already spent all of our run time,
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 3: but it just seems again nothing against the episode. I'm
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 3: still still give it ten out of ten or whatever,
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 3: just like, oh it's eleven, it's a full spinal tap.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: If we get that extra scene, I don't nail it.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: I don't mind the way it was done, Like from
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: a writing point of view, I think the direction was wrong,
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: and I think Cooper even acknowledges that he kind of
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: did it wrong. Because what you have to realize is
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: Tilk's gray patch is on the right side of his head,
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: and the way they shot that, when Tilk comes in
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: to grab Carter's arm to stop, you see the left
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: side of his face. You don't actually see the gray patch.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: So Carter doesn't know at that point. That's an older
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: til I think if they shot it in a different
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: angle or put the stripe on the other side of
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: Tilk's head and he came in and Carter could feel.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 3: He was looking the gray he was looking left of screen,
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 3: like as we watch it, he's looking left of screen.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 3: So I'd say from that was the audience saw the
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: left hand side, I'd say from her, she's probably if
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 3: that's all we're going. But I mean, like as the
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 3: audience think, we don't immediately see that, she sees it.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think if you could immediately see the gray
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: because the other the meal was cooked a long term ago. Yeah,
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: the other the other moment was like in the first
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: time around you they specifically made Tilk doing something weird
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: like grabbing something on the ceiling of the of the
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: bridge or whatever. And then when they go and do
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: the rewind, they cut back to that scene and Tilk's
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: not there, And that was kind of a visual thing
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: for us as an audience to realize that this is
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: a different version. But yeah, I think, yeah, either the
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: stripe should have been on the other side of his
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: head or it should have been more visible to us
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: as an audience.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 4: Shouldn't there be two tilks?
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: Well no, they rewound time they did and.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 4: He was in the bubble. Yes, there should be two tilks.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 4: I mean there's some sh don't talk about it.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: Don't talk about it.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 3: No, I thought that too. When he appeared, I'm like,
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 3: how do we know how far less I might be
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 3: able to buy us a minute? So he had a
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 3: minute to get Like if he just goes back and
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 3: it's essentially you know Dejave with Denzel or something like that,
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 3: his brain, he's consciousness just takes over his body at
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 3: that particular time. It's like, how do we still not
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 3: to see him just like reverse back or something whatever
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 3: it was going to be to get from one place
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 3: to time. Field the little tube column was on. That's
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 3: what you would have.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: Seen too, because you you have that scene where you're
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: watching Tilk and he's seeing all the explosions and stuff
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: in reverse, which was great. But then if he's able
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: to witness that, then he absolutely would have seen the
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: last fifty years of people walking backwards.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 3: What if that room, what if that room that was
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 3: Daniel and Varl's second if that was the Augie room. Yeah,
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 3: as he's rewinding, because we don't know how long it took,
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 3: like while the ship was going back, I'm like, it
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 3: wasn't like it sped up really quickly, and we saw
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 3: going around him. It looked like it was going to
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 3: take like a couple of days for him to go back,
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 3: and he would have seen some ship. I would have
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 3: loved for him to sing.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: Just watching Mitchell, just just just checking it.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 3: Well, they've got two bedrooms, all right, so they would
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 3: have had their own room. They might have had one
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 3: was their sex room. That's VARA's room, and then Daniel's
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 3: where they go to sleep at night. But that room
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 3: when when Mitchell goes on these little runs, that's.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: His little jack. Yeah, when Cam's all different, he's going
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: full weird.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 3: And he's just seeing this get to shrink up, keep
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 3: finding coming tissues everywhere. What the what is that grumedy?
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: He gives up on the tissues and just ends up
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: just there's just a mound that just gets slowly larger
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: and larger.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 3: Do you have to be to the generator? So it
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 3: could basically create anything like he's because if you think
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 3: about it, doesn't know what is for fifty years, he
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 3: has to ask Carter for it.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: That's the problem. For fifty years. What else did Landry,
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: Tilk and Mitchell do, Because if you think about it,
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: Carter was the only one working the problem, and.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 3: That meditation got a real Daniel.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: Daniel was like reading the the Asgard Library as a
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: feudal attempt to kind of, you know, have his existential
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: crisis and be like, well, if I give this meaning,
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: then it's not going to be for nothing.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 7: You know.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: VALA's just vibing being Vala. But then after she and
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: Daniel hook up, she becomes more active and she's the
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: only one that goes into Carter and says, I want
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: to help you with this problem. Let's let's work this
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: problem now. If you go back to season four when
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: O'Neill and Tilk were stuck in wind of opportunity. They
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: both got involved to figure out how to work the
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: problem and work it out. So for fifty years, cam
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: Landry and Tilk just went Carter, and.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 3: How quickly we got that, like we're in a problem
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 3: and we might be here for I mean ship, we
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 3: could be here for like three months. And the first
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 3: thing we see post that scene is Mitchell running like Okay,
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 3: he's got to he wants to keep himself fit, cool,
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 3: And it's like that's because he thinks the problem is
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 3: going to be solved. He doesn't want to let and
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 3: maybe that's his way of focusing whatever, but yeah, beyond.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: That's a way to get rid of anxieties.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and look he's struggling, not to disrespect the science
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 3: of it. That Like like Carter taught herself cello just
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 3: by wanting to do it, and she had the time,
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 3: and she had the time she wanted to do it.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 4: Could have told her that, yeah when he came back
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 4: to Yeah, oh you like the cello by the way, Yeah,
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 4: he gives it to the gift beautifully, yeah, or a gift. Yeah,
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 4: just like that would have been like if o'neilan and
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 4: Til were able to like have Daniel teach them ancient
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 4: in all those time loos.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like you think at some point like yeah, like
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: I said, I if originally they thought it was gonna
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: be three months, and then when Vala has that great
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: line about I'm going to go crazy and I'm taking
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: you with me if I'm in that situation and Carter
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: tells me it's gonna be three months, and we get
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: to a year and she's still got no problem, Like, Okay,
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: what can I do to help? Can what can I
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: do to man's playing this situation?
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 3: Anything?
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: You teach me something, just so that you have a
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: sounding board. Carter had nothing.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, sometimes you need to have words leave your mouth
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 3: for them to either make a lot more sense or
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 3: to realize it's a dumb ene It's like.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 4: It happens to Rodney a lot in Atlantis. Says something
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 4: and he's like, I got it.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: What did they say? No, no, no, I didn't nothing
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: of your idea that came.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 4: To me because you're talking bullshit. But usually, like back
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 4: in season four and five, they used to have Til.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 4: We got Tilk helping with the translation. It's been helping
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 4: me build this bomb or Tilk's been helping me. Like
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 4: Tilk could definitely be in the same room as Carter. Yeah,
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 4: not wanting to for fifty to leave it to her
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 4: and make her feel like it's all on her shoulders, right,
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 4: there's no way he would have yeah.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 9: For fifty years. Yeah, like fifty years. Fifty years, guys, like,
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 9: come on, because otherwise, Apparently the fifty years was a mistake.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 9: Apparently I read to be ten years in the script,
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 9: but the makeup that was so aged Robert Cooper couldn't
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 9: go back.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 4: The final one. So he's like, I'm going to change
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 4: it fifty years. So they shot that, and then they
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 4: did the makeup different and shot.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: I've got at litit of a grab here if you
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: guys want to hear it.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 8: I had an opportunity to look at some, you know,
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 8: some really rough pictures of what the actors might look like.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 8: These are basically photoshops that Todd Masters and his gang
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 8: take and they kind of drop what it'll potentially look like. Unfortunately,
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 8: because of the time constraints, the first time I saw
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 8: everybody actually in their makeup was about thirty seconds before
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 8: we had to roll a film on them. So it
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 8: was kind of a bit of a surprise, and I
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 8: would look at them and go, hmm, okay, let's shoot.
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 8: It wasn't like we could really keep the director and
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 8: they just think the most part. While the I think
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 8: the makeup looked good, they looked too old. The one
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 8: thing that I find about age makeup is that ultimately
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 8: people look like these, you know, dried apple.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 6: People and.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 8: Wrinkled prunes and the and that's not what old people
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 8: really look like. I mean, you tend to look like yourself,
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 8: but you know, just.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 6: A little worse.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 8: The show is age, and so we actually ended up
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 8: changing the script. You know, it was just it was
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 8: an easy change in some dialogue and hopefully that plays better.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 8: I still think the mid range makeup looked great, and
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 8: the one that where it was supposed to be twenty
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 8: years later, the older makeup was good. It was just
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 8: it just made them look older than we had in mind.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 8: Who knows, maybe it was seventy years so they actually
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 8: lived on the ship and they're actually one hundred and twenty.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 8: You know, it's who knows, no lack of sunlight, maybe
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 8: the only age thirty years, and they just looked.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 5: Really bad.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 3: Because it's funny like when I first you know, age
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 3: up and you realize it it's been a while, was
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 3: you know Daniel and vaalor in bed and they go, oh,
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 3: twenty years today, And I'm thinking, well, yeah, what do
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 3: we passed this episode? Seventeen years since this episode came out,
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 3: Like we're close enough to twenty right, how much is?
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 3: How much is Michael Shanks and Claudia like really going
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 3: to age tween now and twenty twenty seven? And it's
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 3: they don't look that DIFP like people. And you get
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 3: to a certain age, you do actually start to the transition.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 3: Like I'm you know, hey, my kids are here, said,
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 3: I'm looking at them through the window, and it's like,
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 3: you know, he's eleven in ten years, he's gonna look
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 3: a lot different. Five years ago he looks completely different
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 3: or something, you know, but like it's like your youngest Yeah,
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 3: but I look at photos of me from like when
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 3: I was you know, seventeen, and I think if you
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 3: then put those two together, you go, oh, yeah, that's
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 3: just him, but a toucho. He doesn't look like me
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 3: at thirty to now. It's slightly different, but it's not
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 3: like we need to apply all this makeup to make
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 3: myself look older. But then if they didn't do that,
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 3: they get twenty years down the track and go, oh,
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 3: we'll just add like a couple of creaselines around your eyes.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 3: We as an audience probably going to be like, well,
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 3: I don't know, you're just not trying hard enough. They're
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 3: gonna look older than that. Whereas now we gets the
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 3: beauty of hindsight. We're watching it nearly twenty years one.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: Because when you're a kid, like someone who's forty is
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: like ancient.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah shut up, well.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: Like, man, I got there a couple of weeks ago,
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: thank you very much.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well we are. We're at my work and like
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 3: I have, you know, I call them kids. They have
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 3: kids driving me around to do my stuff for work,
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 3: and they're eighteen, nineteen twenty, and they know, and they'll
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 3: look and old talk about I'll say something old, the
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 3: fact that I'm thirty eight, and they go so old
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 3: like they do think about me, and I'm like, I
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 3: have to appreciate that. I don't want to get to
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 3: the point where I am one of the people that
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 3: when we were younger, I looked up and went, oh,
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 3: you don't think you're old? Or you don't know that
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 3: you're too old to do whatever. I don't want to
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 3: get to that point, but there's still moments where I'm like, hey,
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 3: shut up now, Like I agree with you on some
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 3: points but not but not that one. Like there is
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 3: such an age difference, Whereas now that you know we're
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 3: in our late thirties, Mattie's just hit forty. It's like
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 3: we don't feel old, like you just feel if you
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 3: know you are playing back, but like Brennan's got Brendan's
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 3: got a teenage daughter now and who just insane and
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 3: you know, my old this is about to turn twelve,
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 3: and you know that that feels weird to me. I
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 3: still feel like I'm only ten, maybe fifteen years older
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 3: than what my kids himself and.
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: We were like twelve thirteen. Yeah you go, oh that
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: wasn't that way?
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 3: Say that was long time.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 4: Trying to tell my kids it goes fast. Yeah, man,
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 4: you don't really feel different.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but this is the same conversation that our parents
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: said to us when we were that age. Is when
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: we were like yeah, yeah, yeah whatever.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 3: I've done speeches to my old school before, and I
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 3: enjoy this. They can't wait to leave school, and I'm like, no, no, no,
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 3: you'll get You get to go to a place for
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 3: six hours a day and hang out with your best mates,
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 3: play footy for an hour, and like occasionally bloods through
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 3: a lesson that you know, like you're doing stuff that
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 3: you're not going to do it for the rest of
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 3: your life. And for like four of the six periods
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 3: you can just like just switch off and then get
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 3: two of them go oh, this is something that.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: I actually enjoy three months holiday a year.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 3: Exactly, and that's this is the best time in your life.
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 3: Guys like enjoy this and they know whatever all go
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 3: and then and a year out they're like, oh, wish
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 3: I wasn't at Union. I wish I was back at
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 3: still life was so much easier. It's like, yeah, man,
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 3: because you have to work as well, you'll never listen
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 3: to yes. By the time you do, it's too late.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 3: So a lot of a lot of a lot of
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 3: feels in this episode, and.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: Just play play Creden's under that this is the whole
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: conversation I want to know.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 4: I was listening to our podcast forever in a day,
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 4: trying to find some highlights. Obviously my the thing I made. Yeah,
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 4: that was great, And we had a good conversation in
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 4: that podcast about Tilk and his journey from being the
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 4: first prime of Apophice and all the war crimes he committed.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 4: And I feel like Tilk always has always been willing
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 4: to sacrifice himself to make make good for all the
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 4: bads that he's done. Yeah, to quote Black Widow, it's
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 4: I got a lot of red in my ledger. Yeah, right,
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 4: So like I feel like even if he wasn't even
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 4: if he wouldn't live longer, I feel like he still
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 4: would have done it. Still, like he still would have
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 4: sacrificed himself.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that noble warrior aspect.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 3: That fifty years thing, if that was like a change
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 3: they had to make, that is the best and happiest
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 3: accident that come across. Because if it was only ten years,
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 3: you'd be like, oh, man, Like, if we only knew
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 3: it was supposed to be ten years, that is a
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 3: long time that you could lose in an instant. But
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 3: for it to be fifty that makes that whole tialk thing.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 3: You know, the amount of times I've thought about this,
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 3: doing this rewatch and doing this podcast, and whenever Reese
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 3: just used to this spew love about Tilk and I'm like, man,
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 3: you don't know what he gives up at the end. Yes,
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 3: he lived fifty years of confined life. Yeah, totally and
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 3: as happily like to put his hand up and go,
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 3: you know what has to be fine.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 4: He's done. That's that's what I mean. I feel like
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 4: he's he's done his time. Yeah, and fifty years in confined.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 3: We've questioned if over the last two seasons, since.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: That time great episode of Space nine, you.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 3: Get away with that stuff? Yeah, yeah, we might have to.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 3: Now there we go that. You know, he doesn't and
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 3: shouldn't have really been there for the last two seasons,
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 3: like he did his bit as a Jafar and freeing
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 3: his people and getting rid of the gould and all
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 3: that sort of stuff. And yet at the end of
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 3: this episode, beyond beyond all of that and with his people,
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 3: he's lived another fifty years walking around a ship and
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 3: just sort of supervising other stuff, maybe porking Carter every
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 3: now and again. We don't know then to come back,
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 3: And in that last scene he's still at the bottom
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 3: of the ramp ready to go on another goddamn mission
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 3: witness team because these are his people. Maybe he feels
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 3: more connected than to them now even though they don't
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 3: have those shared memories and shared experiences, but he loves
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 3: them more now. You know, he knew Cardi for seven
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 3: or eight or ten years. He knew it for ten years.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 3: Now he's known her for sixty.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: But also hasn't said also he hasn't seen his son
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: Ryak in fifty years. Yeah, right, and the age even
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: mean you think.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 3: At one stage it's like this, by the fifty years
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 3: market they're talking about, he's around the table.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 4: Going, yes, we're talking about we're talking about VALA's abortions.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 4: We can't talk about Tilk.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, like does he have a rish for what?
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 3: I hope Ryak's child grows up in a freer world,
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 3: a freer galaxy than Riyac.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 7: Did you know?
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 3: I hope he can be a better father than I
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 3: ever was, or something like no, I do mis When
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 3: was the last time that the name Ryak was mentioned
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 3: in an episode Holy An eight?
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: When he got married?
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 7: That was it?
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: I mean that happens to the best. That's the subject
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: get married in your life.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 3: Though we're talking about it being a while, like with
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 3: with the Asgard thing, like I knew we hadn't seen
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 3: him in a while. But when he pops into the
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 3: bridge and they go, hey, it's been a while. This
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 3: is Landry, this is Vala, this is Mitchell, and I'm like,
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 3: get out of here. What are you talking about? You
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 3: introducing them to Landry and Mitchell. Varla I can understand,
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 3: because she would have been off with the fairies at
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 3: the best of times. But these two people that have
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 3: been a staple since episode one of season nine, Holy
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 3: not just.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: Like New Order. Have we seen the ass guards were?
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: They were as guard ships at the battle at the
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: end of end of last season, beginning of this season,
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: but having actually seen Thor in particular or any actual
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: as guard would have been New Order.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 4: They needed to have something familiar. That's why I can't
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 4: just don't really enjoy season nine and ten that much.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: I thought I would like it, but I do on
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: their own I think, I like, I think it should
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: have been the different show. It should have been Stargate Command.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: I think as as their own little thing. If you
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: even take Unending out and you've just watched season nine
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: and ten, skip Unending and watch Arc of Truth, that's
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: a great little two season show that was Camp before
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: it's time.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 4: Do they even go back before season eight in terms
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 4: of characters.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: Like, I know they have.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 4: They having their reference the truth, the Trust, but I
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 4: mean Barrett, I mean like alien races, like the Knox.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 4: There's no Knocks as Guard, There's no Tokra. Is there
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 4: even Ancients? No Merlin at the start? Oh, I guess Merlin? Yeah,
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 4: Merlin and.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: Morgan le Fay, but again not not not characters we
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: know of, not Oma de sala. I guess Allan. Allan
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: was probably the closest the kid, Yeah, the kid version
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: of all In.
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 3: I guess there's such a fine line between Like there's
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 3: a thing come out this week. There are reports that
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 3: studios I don't even know where the base of this
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 3: reporting comes from, with a source of it or anything
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 3: whatever that studios are putting together. Essentially, it's like they're
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 3: forming their own little committee of like super fans that
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 3: they can run shit past, right, So.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: Like Star Wars is what they have been doing for
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: the last fifteen years.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 3: Nah, but the okay, soar star Wars a great example.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 3: It's like, hey, so what we're thinking about doing is
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 3: Luke Skywalker actually doesn't He's he's went off because he Okay,
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 3: you know, you know how you loved in the expanded
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 3: Universe that he went a little dark side, you know
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 3: how you love that. We're actually gonna do that. But
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 3: he's already done that, and then he feels bad for it,
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 3: and he's put himself into excele because he doesn't trust
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 3: himself to be Okay, so we're gonna do that, and
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 3: people go, nah, no, no, no, we don't like that.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 3: Give us the look that we want to see who
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 3: comes in and what likes to destroy shit with his
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 3: light sabers. Okay, Okay, that's what we're gonna do, because
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 3: this group of fans thinks that that's a bad idea,
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 3: or do what they kind of ended up doing. Anyway,
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 3: Whereas the last Jedi happened, fandom come out went what
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 3: the fuck.
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: Was that shit?
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 3: We love member berries, give us some old shit nostalgia,
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden we get a somehow
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 3: Palpatine returned. He wasn't a part of anything, no parts
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 3: of anything in episode seven or eight now, but enough
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 3: people complained about the shit that they thought they were
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 3: going to get in number eight that they didn't get,
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 3: they wish they get, And then you get number nine
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 3: that does follow on from eight, but doesn't reference enough,
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 3: and it's almost like it could have minus a couple
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 3: of missing little story beats between seven and nine. It's
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 3: basically like it's a sequel to seven and not to eight.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 3: And with superhero movies or whatever, you know, whether it's
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 3: your Snyder verse and they go where we want to
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 3: look at this through like your Black series comic books
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 3: that take these characters and just look at them a
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 3: little different. There's a new comic at this week called
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 3: Absolute Batman. I'm like, oh, what's this? Open it up
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 3: to read about it, and it's like, this is Batman
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 3: without the money, without the butler, without the mansion. What's left?
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 3: Absolute Batman. I'm like, okay, but that's but that's not homeless.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 3: That's not who Batman is. And Darren Aronofsky great direct, clever,
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 3: that's what he wanted to do before we got what
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 3: Maddie still doesn't like the Nolan films. Before we got
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 3: the Nolan films post Batman and Robin, we were going
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 3: to get Darren Aronofsky doing a Batman film where he
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 3: was a homeless guy that pieces together a suit and
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 3: it wants to become this Vigilanti and does all this
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 3: other stuff, and it would have been a complete flitch
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 3: of the coin.
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: That's Daredevil with sight. Sure, sure, but.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 3: That's the thing, Like they didn't end up doing that,
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 3: probably because they get they get cold feet about it,
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 3: and I don't know that they're necessarily going to end
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 3: up doing this. Maybe that's going to be like something
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 3: they can to.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: An episode where Bruce Wayne goes bankrupt.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 3: Done, yeah, which I mean they did.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: I think they did it in Harley Quinn he didn't
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: pay Jaxes and went to prison or.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 3: Something, And they've done that in the comics. That's been
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 3: recent storylines and stuff where like the Joker has basically
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 3: because he can't stop Batman, He's like seen there's a been,
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 3: it's a Joker. There's been a plan where bat Bruce
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 3: Wayne has been bankrupted, so let's go after Bruce Wayne.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 3: That might stop Batman. But either way, I'm just like
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 3: all this stuff, what could we have gotten through start?
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 3: Or if we're going to get Stargate coming back? You know,
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 3: we're sitting here at the end of going do they
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 3: remember they didn't do this? You know, where have the
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 3: knocks ever been? Like they told us in season one
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 3: how important the Knocks were, and then built off the
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 3: idea of the four Great Races. We never see the
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 3: Knocks again, We never meet the Furlings, we barely even
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 3: mentioned them, the Asguard we're gonna end up killing, and
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 3: the Ancients We've like built this entire franchise around, come
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 3: the back half of SG one and certainly around Atlantis,
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 3: but don't really appear much. We hear about them, we
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 3: know their rules we're supposed to play in, but they
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 3: don't play a part because that's who they are. They
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 3: don't interfere and everything else. I'm gonna style of different
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 3: characters like Hammond, anything that they could have, Well, do
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 3: we how much of that should we have paid off?
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 3: Or do we get a cameo from in the dying
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 3: episodes of SG one before it just becomes fan service
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 3: sort of stuff. But also how much of these guys
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 3: forgetting they that they created Back in season two they
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 3: told us it was important. It's up on a storyboard somewhere,
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 3: but then come episode or season ten, they're like, they
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 3: don't even remember that that's there because they're not going
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 3: back and rewatching it every week. There are groups of
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 3: super fans far more into it than even we are
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 3: that are just living and breathing, rewatching this, ending it,
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 3: rewatching it again, ending it, rewatching it, living living this
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 3: life of SG one or whatever their fandom is, that
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 3: would be able to sit there and write a Bible
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 3: And how much do you like a very fin line
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 3: between that's.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: I mean like if you don't do that, if you
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: want to make Stargate without doing any of that, you
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: get origins.
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's the thing, that thing you don't listen,
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 4: And that's not something that with the origins is that
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 4: we predicted every single thing that they would do wrong,
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 4: and they did it anyway.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 3: But what would be a dream of ours?
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 3: And maybe it wouldn't be let's even just say that.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 3: It was like they they're going to make an SG
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 3: one or an SG of anything revival on Amazon, which
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 3: obviously we've been hoping for for years. Anyway, and somehow,
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 3: some way, someone who is a writer or is this whatever,
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 3: great fan of our podcast. God, you guys have some
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 3: great insights. We're going to bring you on as consultants.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 3: The word we're going to bring you on as a consultant,
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 3: Like amazing, we would do at what point does that
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 3: because is that a great idea? Because they go, look,
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 3: we want to do this thing. Does this contradict anything
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 3: that's happened before? And you got yep, season two, episode sixteen. Matt,
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 3: He's like, actually, season four they did this, but they retroactively,
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 3: they reckconned it this way blah blah blah before. And
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 3: you know, that's the thing that I fear most about
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 3: Stargate is if it does come back, how different is
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 3: it going to be because they need to make it
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 3: a new show, they need to make it a different show.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 4: Well that's how you end up with shows like Picard
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 4: and they'll do they'll do something stupid like Wormhole's two
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 4: way travel.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And that's the thing that's the problem with
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: sort of the you know, Hollywood slash the movie TV industry.
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: It's like, now everything has to be part of a
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: franchise in an extended universe, and it's it's got to
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: have it an ip with a built in fandom already,
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: because they're not willing to let fandoms grow. They're not
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: willing to just let a little show just you know,
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: put stuff out over a couple of years and build
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: it needs to have an instant fandom, so they go, Okay,
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: we wan't think it's got a built in fandom already.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: And then some they go, okay, well, let's do Stargate.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: But what if we took away everything that made it
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: Stargate and then did this so it would be something
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: different and edgy, and then wonder why the fandom didn't
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: enjoy it when it's like, well, you know, you've put
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: a name on something that has nothing to do with
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: why we're fans of it. So and I agree, it's
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: an unenviable task in terms of trying to find the
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: balance of making something new and interesting but also have
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: enough touchstones and memo berries and all that kind of
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: stuff to make it worthy of the franchise, but also
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: be enjoyed by existing fans still bring in new fans.
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and the Late Riders still had, like say SG one,
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 4: season five, six and seven, they still had to follow
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 4: the law. Yeah, yeah one to season one to four.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 4: So it's not that difficult. If you go you're like, oh,
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 4: can we do you would have a consultant, can we
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 4: do this?
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can do that, yeah, whatever it is, and
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: then you can add it. Yeah, you could just and
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: much like they did in the latest seasons. They just like,
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: we know what, we're not going to do the three
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: shots disintegrates on a zapp. We're just not going to
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: do it anymore, yeah, because we don't like it. But
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: we're still going to have Zat's one Tron shot is
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: still going to stun. We're not going to even worry
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: too much about the second shot killing. But we're just
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: going to use it as a stun gun.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 3: And that's it.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 1: That's all it is now.
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 3: Because we could create a new weapon that does what
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 3: we want it to do, but the fans weren't like
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 3: that we're doing this new weapon when we could just
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 3: use an old one, So okay, let's use the name
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 3: of the old one and do it.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: And it's like, but it's just fine fun by me.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 2: I like that.
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 4: It's kind of a quirkiness that they changed it in
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 4: the series, But if they changed it in a reboot,
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 4: it'd be like, come on, yeahs disintegrate.
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because I found like watching this, I was like,
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 3: what if they and they never would have done it,
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 3: but what if they didn't want to Just Okay, it
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 3: ended by not ending in a way like it ends.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: It ended by unending.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 3: They you know, they land back in on Earth, go
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 3: to the SGC. There's clearly been a debrief. They line up.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 3: Oh tilk's old. Now okay, let's go through the gate.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 3: Just another world galaxy, Saban mission, sir. Whatever it was,
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 3: the show just ended. There wasn't like all the character
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 3: has died. It wasn't like that the enemy was like
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 3: properly defeated or whatever. It just ended. And okay, yes,
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 3: even if you thought that there was movies coming that,
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 3: I guess that does make things different. I mean having
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 3: you know, having said that one of my favorite series
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 3: finales of all time, which is WEE. Because eventually Netflix
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 3: bought it and brought the show back, and so now
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 3: it's just season three of five seasons but arrested development.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 3: Far different show, and you can say, look, every you know,
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 3: it's just a comedy show, so there's no real giant stakes.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 3: But the way that it season three ended spoiler alert
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 3: for two thousand and three finale. They get to it
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 3: and Jason Bateman's character and he just says to we
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 3: Sun this shit, he's stick a deal with his family. Shit,
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 3: Let's get in the boat, get the out of it.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 3: And he leaves and he's done, Like the family didn't
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 3: resolve their legal dramas, Like there wasn't like the are
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 3: they gonna divorce or not couple between his sister and
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 3: his brother in law and what's going on with this
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 3: other side and all these other little threads that were
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 3: just funny to track along the way. Not like everything
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 3: got resolve. They just decided to wrap it up, and
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 3: it's like nothing final happened. And that for me, honestly,
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 3: I've watched that. That's the greatest series finale I've ever
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 3: seen in my life.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: It's the Scrubs finale.
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 3: Mate, Sure, sure, maybe I do. And because you said too,
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 3: because when they wanted to what they were going to
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 3: bring that back, and he didn't want to do because
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 3: he wanted to bring it back as a different show
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 3: with very much like with the old with the original
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 3: cast as the mentors and not playing roles and stuff,
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 3: and so like you know, I've enjoyed I've never saw
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 3: season five arrested. As much as I love the show,
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 3: I never saw season five like season four. But it
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 3: was the greatest finale. And yet that's what kind of
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 3: SG one did with this. It's just like it ends
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 3: by unending it didn't end, and yet I was like,
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 3: what if what They never would have done it, but
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 3: what if it did end with them? We've got to
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 3: mind time dilation thing. They realized they can't fix it,
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 3: and that's how it ends. Because this show go. We
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 3: cannot kill these characters. We don't want to put them
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 3: in a position where we can never use them. Let's
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 3: have them lost the Let's have them lost and maybe
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 3: maybe Atlantis can bring them back, because I mean, a
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 3: key SG one character coming to Atlantis that would never happen, right,
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 3: I've seen DVD cases happen in the show, but I
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 3: know something's coming. But to leave it out where let's
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 3: fix the problem. Let's bring them back in a big
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 3: way beyond this because we know this is our finale.
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 3: No one will let this show continue, so let's let
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 3: these characters. Let's wrap up their story after this.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: I think I I lean on the on the idea
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: that if Arka of Truth had never been made, I
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: think I would be a little more salty about this
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: episode as the finale, You're like, oh, that that's it
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 1: really five minutes of the Yeah, And as much as
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: as ARCA of Truth definitely has a lot of problems.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 1: At least it wraps up the ari I storyline, so
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: we get a little bit of closure on that, And
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 1: I think because of that it allows me to enjoy
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: Unending as as the button because yeah, I don't know,
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 1: like you can't sort of say, well, it takes place
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: after Arc of Truth because it doesn't, but it just
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: kind of I don't know. I guess in the same
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: way you know, going back and watching the Clone Wars
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: cartoon helps the prequels, I think Ark of Truth helps Unending, Yeah,
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: because I think, Yeah, I think if I think if
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: Unending had been the last week saw of any of
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: these characters and then you know, Atlantis went on in
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: Universe went on, it would be a little bit just flacid,
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: like ah okay, all right. But yeah, I think knowing
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: that Arc of Truth is still to come, it means
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: you can actually just focus on the timey whimy window
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: of opportunity aspect of this episode and enjoy that for
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: what it is. You don't have to worry about the
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 1: fact that it doesn't actually wrap up the last two
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: seasons worth of episodes.
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because I just I love I've always loved sequels,
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 3: not because I'm like, oh, I just want a carbon
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 3: copy of what came before. It's just more.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: I like, you've got some episods of Stargate for you.
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 3: I just like the idea that a story doesn't just
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 3: exist for two weeks. The movie takes place over two weeks.
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 3: The universe literally began a second before that movie started,
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 3: and the universe was destroyed as the end credits rolled,
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 3: Like those people they went off into the sunset? But
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 3: what happened when he stopped writing? Although there's couple they
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 3: went off to live happily ever after? What happens when
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 3: they have their first fight?
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 7: You know?
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 3: When do they break up? Do they get whatever?
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 9: You know?
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 3: So I love when you can re and if Stargate
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 3: gets brought back, I don't just want SG one season eleven,
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 3: where you get Okay, Carter twenty years on and Mitchell
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 3: still there and Jackson still back and he's still fighting
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 3: with Valor and Tials still there even though he probably
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 3: shouldn't be. And Landry still there trying to work stuff
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 3: out as a really aging Bridges brother. Like, we don't
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 3: need just to see Oh, it's not like nothing has
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 3: not happened over the last fifteen years. I want to
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 3: see what SG sorry season nine was supposed to be.
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 3: I want to see the SGC because this is a
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 3: much bigger world that I love following that team, but
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 3: I also want to see what does that world look
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 3: like elsewhere? Like I love gen v in the Boys Universe,
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 3: It's like, this is a completely different story. It's still
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 3: got ties heavy ties, but it's about a completely different
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 3: set of characters who exist in this same world. How
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 3: does the rules of this world apply to college kids
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 3: who don't have run ins with Homelander every episode and
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 3: Billy Butcher's not showing up and talking to them every
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 3: second episode or something like that. What does this world
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 3: look like in a different part of America? And they've
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 3: got a Mexico spin off coming soon as well, and
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 3: they've got something else happening, Like, what does this world
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 3: look like without just relying on keeping these characters doing
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 3: the same thing every single time we watch them, because
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 3: that will eventually get old. And I've enjoyed as much
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 3: as there's been some dud episodes, I have loved watching
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 3: SG one from the piled episode until unending right now
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 3: because I love watching these characters in this world go
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 3: through these stories, and I would happily watch them in
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 3: a season eleven. But if it meant for the betterment
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 3: of the show and the longevity of a franchise to
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 3: come back and do something different without it just being
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 3: fan service every single episode, then yeah, you know, give
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 3: it to us. But it's a very especially in today's
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 3: world where we seem to have such little patience and
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 3: little breathing room that we give to anything, let alone
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 3: something that's coming back with that or of nostalgia. There's
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 3: I mean, you're never going to please everybody anyway, but
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 3: the percent where you please the majority of people that
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 3: sweet spot is so small.
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: So I would love I would actually love to get
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: maybe Peter Delawees to just write just whatever that lasts
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: miss Like at the end of un Ending, after all
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: the emotional stuff, we get to the end and they say, Okay,
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: we're going on this next mission. I'd love for Peter
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 1: Delowize to write what that mission actually was. Like. We
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: see them walking through the stargate at the very end
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: of this episode and it's just the most boring, mundane
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 1: It's nothing.
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 3: The one that we hated that said should have been
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 3: a an episode in the middle where they got stuck
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 3: in the in the museum on the.
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 1: Other Yeah, yeah, bad guys. Yeah, it's just this really
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 1: late just yeah, just episode when nothing of consequence happens.
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 1: It's just this super boring planet. Yeah. That would just
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: be hilarious to me because yeah, because it's like, because
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 1: the way they said it would be like, okay, now
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: they just headed off on more missions. What that could
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: have possibly been would be hilarious or the fun part
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: of that being like that mission they find the planet
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 1: that we that we that we pick up on in
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: Ark of Truth. Yeah, obviously not the exact same thing
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: as Card of Something got long hair, But it's like
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 1: they find that planet and then actually that becomes like
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: the new.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 4: Dakar first Cookie Crumb or whatever. Yeah, to take him
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 4: to that planet.
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: Would be would be quite interesting. Do do you want
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: to hear any more Cooper ship?
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 3: Let's do it?
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: Okay, just him talk bigg his I mentioned before him
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 1: bigging up. He wrote the Fifth Rice. His mom did it.
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 1: We all know.
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 6: So here's here's a big scene again.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 8: A lot of residents, you know, nine years ago I
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 8: wrote an episode called the Fifth.
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 6: Race, which a lot of things reacted very positively too.
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 8: It was all about the humans sort of becoming a
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 8: part of the fabric of the alien, the advanced Alien,
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 8: you know, alliance, the Furlings, the the as Guard and
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 8: by the way, I read recently that I never really
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 8: I never knew this, but apparently furlings is if if
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 8: you what is that?
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 6: What is that called?
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 8: When you have like a word trumble mix up the
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 8: letters and it's a n anagram for fun girls. Hey, Well,
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 8: which I was not intentional on.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 6: My part, but this is a subliminal perhaps, Yeah, it was.
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 8: It was the Furlings, the as Guard, the Knox and
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 8: h and the Ancient School obviously had moved on and ascended.
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 8: But this was a very important scene because this was
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 8: the first time that that thora had had kind of
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 8: let you guys know that you were in fact the
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 8: had become earned the earned the honor, which is again
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 8: another milestone that I think was important to have covered
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 8: by the before we before we ended the ended the show.
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 1: And well he waited to the very last episode to
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 1: do that.
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 3: So that's imagine they would have worked off the anagram
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 3: and fun girls. It was just like a group like
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 3: just raging hot women. Yeah, and then we just like
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 3: the fun piece of trivia behind that was that it
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 3: was an anagram. I wonder.
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 1: I wonder if his homophobia extends to women as well, Like,
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: you know, if it were the women were the hot women,
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: are they allowed to do stuff? Or is it just
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 1: guys that he has an issue with.
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's why those Jafar Warrior group. Oh, I didn't
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 3: keep coming back because he's like, if we just keep
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 3: showing that they're just like hanging out with.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: Each otherst with those women, and we won't play the
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: whole thing because it's quite long. But just when I
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 1: played the Old Age may Cup.
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 4: Before it and Brennan was like, you're the fucking directed man,
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 4: just the way he starts this audio grab.
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: I just thought, I can't not play it, and we'll
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 1: fade it down when we need to.
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 8: I have the advantage of being the executive producer of
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 8: the show, so the people who work on the crew
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 8: probably you know, work a little bit faster and because
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 8: I'm on the floor directing, although I kind of lost
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 8: that leverage when the show got you know, got canceled,
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 8: because maybe they were going to be able a job
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 8: at the end of it. Anyways, the back of experience
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 8: and to put a rather unrealistic demand of speed on
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 8: the crew and and love to work that way. It
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 8: requires that you're prepared and then you know what you're
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 8: doing and that your next what your next shot is
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 8: going to be. But I think the crew really responds
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 8: to that, that sort of sense of it being a
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 8: lot of work, except.
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 6: You know, balanced by the fact that you feel confident
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 6: in what you're doing. But yeah, we had a lot
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 6: to do.
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 8: I mean, the difference between this show and other shows
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 8: is almost here every shot was a new scene we
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 8: were doing.
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so he does that, right, Yeah, So he
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 1: just talked for how hard The episode.
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 3: Wass goes for another like forty seconds, and I've got a.
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: Part two that goes another two minutes. But what I'll
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 1: summarize for you is that he just talked. Then you
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 1: heard him say about how every everything, it's like every
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: shot is a new scene.
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 1: But then in the second part he talks about how
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 1: it's just he just reused the same shots over and
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: over again. But that was just a little bit older
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 1: and a little bit older my signature, Matthew, Yeah, he's
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 1: still Yeah.
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 4: Just the contradictions, the complete unawareness and contradictions. It'd be
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 4: like me after hell have we doing this now?
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 1: Like eight years? It'd be like me me still thinking
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: that I never ruined anything for Reese and I never
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: interrupted people, you know what I mean? At some point
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 1: you have to grow as a human being and acknowledge
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: your own shortcomings. And that man, after ten seasons on
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: the show, still never got there.
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 3: I'm working that out after eleven years of marriage or short.
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 1: It's not like that.
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 3: You've got the snip that too.
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 1: You got the snips, So you've got the shortcomings now, yeah, yeah,
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 1: the no comings. Well, well we did talk about the
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 1: logistics of that. We'll talk about it off air. Yeah,
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 1: you know, so you know, we talk about your medical stuff.
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 1: I do have a great story, not sexual, but I
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 1: do have a great story about your dad though, that
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 1: we'll talk about offair as well.
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 3: God, what a tea is considering the context of what.
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 1: Talking about your seed, your lineage, it was there. It
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 1: all made sense in my brain. I mean, I think
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 1: what we need to do is like like I said,
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 1: it's a little it's a little un ceremonial or that's
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: even a word. We still have like the rank we
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 1: have to do, we have to rank this season. Yeah,
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 1: I think we'll do like a special like series wrap up.
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well we've spoken about that. We've put out that
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 3: we want, you know, people to contribute moments.
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we have.
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 4: We have told people that I would do a mail
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 4: bag this episode, but it's getting a little long in
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 4: the two, so we'll do a mail bag.
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we do a mailbag special after the ranks
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 1: are around the rank somewhere, So yeah, we'll do We'll
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 1: do a mail bag. And yeah, we'd obviously love to
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 1: get in some of the some really good mail bag coming. Yeah,
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 1: and you know, I'd love to get some thoughts on
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 1: you know, members of the team that aren't here, so
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 1: rece Lincoln, Jos Craig Jacob, like people that have been
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 1: on the show. I'd love to get as many as
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 1: we can fit in the studio. Yeah, and whole spoiler guys.
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 3: You can have to sit each other's laps.
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 1: Fine again again spoilerleg guys, we might get our first
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 1: girl on the show against that. Stay tuned well as
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 1: long as there's no touching it.
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 3: Episode two hundred and sixty five feels like it should
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 3: be three hundred and sixty five because then it's sort
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 3: of like a full loop you know, sort of circle
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 3: around it.
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 1: But it wasn't that the.
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 3: Three to sixty five days, not three hundred sixty five
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 3: three sixty degrees.
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 1: The urban myth for a while is that they said
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 1: that's what the Simpsons were going to do. Though Simpsons
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 1: are going to We're going to stop at three hundred
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 1: and sixty five episodes, so that there was one episode
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 1: for every day of the year. But now they're at
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 1: like seven hundred or something. Oh, really, Jesus, they did
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 1: end the show.
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 4: Did you still ten years ago?
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 3: There's just yeah, parts of his grade ten story a
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 3: year ten sorry, grade four story that we haven't again,
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 3: did you hear?
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 1: Apparently they ended the show. They ended the Simpsons, but
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 1: it was the opening episode of the newer season. They
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 1: pretended like it was the finale episode, and it's like
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 1: Bart turned eleven, and it was this whole like what.
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 3: It was was at work the other day and there's
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 3: there's we're in the studio here and this in the
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 3: TV in the corner. It's on mute, but it come
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 3: up and said the end of the Simpsons, and it
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 3: says but then it was like the season finale, it
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 3: goes the series wraps and goes blah blah blah season finale,
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 3: and I'm like, you're contradicting yourself the way they'd worded it.
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 1: And yeah, it was actually it was actually the first
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 1: episode of the new season. But it opens with like
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 1: an animated Conan O'Brien being like, and here we are
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 1: and then doing like the Game of Thrones finale, doing
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 1: a show like that, and it was the finale of
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 1: The Simpsons, and then you cut to scenes and stuff
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 1: and it's Bart finally turning eleven.
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 3: And then my kids recently watched the one hundred and
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 3: thirty eight episode spectacular you know, back, and they show
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 3: the history of the show that never happened, which convinced
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 3: me for years that I had never seen season one
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 3: and seasons Yeah, I remember them looking that bad. Oh wow,
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 3: and this show was really lame and didn't actually make
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 3: you laugh and blah b no, it had.
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 1: They did have something before that that was kind of
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 1: like Rick and Morty did. Yeah, and it used to
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 1: be on the US. It used to be shorts on
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 1: a on a talk show, the Kathy Something Show or
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 1: whatever it was. That's where the Simpsons started. Little shorts
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 1: on this on this like late night show or whatever.
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 1: Yea podcast was simpon Santa's Will Helper episode is episode one? Yeah,
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 1: which is it really?
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 3: Which feels very strange. Yeah, that's the episode of the show.
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've seen this heaps.
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I never missed it. I never missed it.
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 1: Didn't they recall the shock therapy episode. You can't actually
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 1: watch that anymore anywhere really, but they'll get Electric Therapy
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 1: with Michael Jackson one.
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 3: Oh really, I don't know why that one not existingly
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 3: but like on Disney class or something, which is bullshit.
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 1: Because that's one of the best episodes. It's pretty great. Yeah, Lisa,
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 1: it's your birthday. Happy birthday, Lisa.
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 3: Well, that's the season final, the series finale of of
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 3: s G one. We're going to be back for our
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 3: next episode with the season finale of season three of
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 3: Stargate Atlantis.
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 1: The best episode of starget Atlantis two exist that's.
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 3: One hell of a tease from you like that you're
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 3: going to say one of my favorites, but for you
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 3: to go it's my favorite episode at.
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, my favorite therefore it's the best.
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 4: Well yeah, for me, I just feel like the rank
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 4: by the way, I feel like, maybe can we get
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 4: a collective Cooper for the last episode of one because.
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 1: I do idea, well we will. He's still evolved, No,
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 1: but I mean fresh g one, oh freshman. Yes we'll
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 1: be when when the universe comes around. We're doing it
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 1: even more alright, you're ready, Hang on.
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 7: Cool, get into Geek, get into Gate, Get into Gate,
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 7: Stargate pod cast.
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 1: Get into it now before it's too late.