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The Odyssey: Was full IMAX worth it? · May The Review Be With You

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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Made the Review Be with You
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Speaker 1: with Nick and Joe.
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Speaker 2: I'm Joe, now I'm Nick, and today we are talking
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Speaker 2: about The Odyssey, Christopher Nolan's latest installment in his filmography,
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Speaker 2: obviously based on a historic story and book or poem
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Speaker 2: if you will, whatever, We're not having that conversation, but yeah,
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Speaker 2: we're fresh off of the movie, the newest Christopher Nolan film.
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Speaker 2: I'm coming at you from not quite a closet, but
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Speaker 2: I'm on vacation and Joe and I had to talk
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Speaker 2: about this, so excuse my background, and I'm just.
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Speaker 1: Good to say I've definitely I've approached this show in
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Speaker 1: much worse locations than you.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, this is this is pretty good for us.
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Speaker 2: Joe's got some historically bad situations in the past, but yeah,
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Speaker 2: the Odyssey, I mean a spectacle. Honestly, that was I
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Speaker 2: watched this on one and a half hours of sleep,
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Speaker 2: like twelve hours of travel, totally an hour and a
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Speaker 2: half app at the hotel. Went to see The Odyssey
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Speaker 2: in an Italian movie theater, which is also like very
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Speaker 2: different than an American theater in a fun way. And yeah,
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Speaker 2: I think the first half I was just having it
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Speaker 2: out of body experience thinking about comparing it to the book,
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Speaker 2: because Joe and I did read the book previously, and
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Speaker 2: specifically the Emily Wilson version, which is the one that
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Speaker 2: Nolan used primarily to help him write, you know, base
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Speaker 2: the story in this movie. So we both read that,
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Speaker 2: and yeah, it took me about a half the movie
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Speaker 2: to settle in and stop thinking about the book as much.
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Speaker 2: And then really the back half of the movie I
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Speaker 2: really enjoyed more, especially because I remembered a lot more
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Speaker 2: of that back half of it from the book, And
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Speaker 2: then it was kind of cool to see how he
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Speaker 2: was like envisioning these things.
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Speaker 3: But yeah, Joe, what do you think? What are your thoughts? Quickly?
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Speaker 1: Zero fight zero Fightaians? First of all, zero Fightaians? Right,
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Speaker 1: But Nick, I think it's very funny that we both
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Speaker 1: saw this movie with sleep deprivation, although it sounds like
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Speaker 1: you had it much worse than I did. There was
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Speaker 1: a moment where I was sitting in the nice dark
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Speaker 1: theater and realizing that I was about to go on
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Speaker 1: my own odyssey for three hours, and I was like,
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Speaker 1: am I gonna make it through this movie? That was
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Speaker 1: not a problem, That was not an issue the movie
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Speaker 1: is very compelling. Anything positive that you're hearing about this movie,
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Speaker 1: none of its hype, it is. It's all. It's all
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Speaker 1: very solid, it's all very realistic. As far as what
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Speaker 1: Nolan and his team were able to accomplish on camera,
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Speaker 1: it really cannot be understated. The word or the use
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Speaker 1: of the word epic is It is indeed epic.
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Speaker 3: And the sound editing alone will keep you awake. That
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Speaker 3: is a guarantee.
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Speaker 1: That is true. That is true. I will say Nick
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Speaker 1: before we get into like the nitt and grid of it.
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Speaker 1: I've heard people say that this is Nolan's best film.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if I agree with that necessarily. I
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Speaker 1: think it's great. I think the movie is fantastic. At
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Speaker 1: least for me. It is not my favorite Nolan film,
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Speaker 1: and there's there are reasons why, and we'll get into
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Speaker 1: that down the road. But now's a good time to
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Speaker 1: really start talking about the film. And of course, before
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Speaker 1: we do, it is time for our fifteen second summary.
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Speaker 1: And I am so glad that I don't have to
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Speaker 1: summarize a three hour movie in fifteen seconds.
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Speaker 3: But you know who does me, my poor old Nikki.
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Speaker 1: The way that this works is Nicks has fifteen seconds
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Speaker 1: to summarize this entire film, and I will grade him
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Speaker 1: at the end. We'll see how he does. Nick how
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Speaker 1: we're feeling.
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Speaker 3: Just not great?
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Speaker 1: But go ahead, all right on three two one, go
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Speaker 1: begin three two one.
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Speaker 2: The Odyssey picks up after the Iliad and the fall
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Speaker 2: of Troy. Odysseus is on a twenty year journey to
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Speaker 2: try to come back home, while he also rattles with
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Speaker 2: the grips of potentially failing the world with his change
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Speaker 2: in how is played, I couldn't think I was what
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Speaker 2: I was trying to say, that was so bad? That
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Speaker 2: was that was not terrible. I got, I got the
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Speaker 2: I got the I got the plot.
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Speaker 1: I mean you got Yeah, you got the plot. You
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Speaker 1: got you got the plot.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: But what I was trying to say at the end
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Speaker 2: was how you know, he comes to a realization that
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Speaker 2: by breaking the rules of engagement, essentially with offering a
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Speaker 2: gift and then breaking that rule, he essentially started a
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Speaker 2: yeah he broke, which I forget.
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Speaker 1: I said when Nick and I spoke about a fifteen
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Speaker 1: second summary before by this episode, I said, this is
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Speaker 1: either really easy or really hard, depending on your approach,
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Speaker 1: And Nick chose the Odysseus approach of going home and
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Speaker 1: making it as difficult as possible for meself.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, naturally, I will.
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Speaker 1: Give you a seat for attempting the theme of this movie,
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Speaker 1: which was the more difficult route.
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Speaker 2: Thank you very generous. I almost had it if I
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Speaker 2: would have remembered, you know, breaking the law of Zeus
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Speaker 2: in the moment.
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Speaker 1: So Nick, I think that's actually a really good place
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Speaker 1: to start, is in what you were attempting there in
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Speaker 1: the theme of this movie. And we will talk about,
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Speaker 1: you know, the actual film itself, but I just want
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Speaker 1: to bring this up as like one of a difference,
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Speaker 1: like if you were familiar with the eighties film or
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Speaker 1: if you were familiar with, you know, just the poem itself.
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Speaker 1: There are some I don't want to call them differences.
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Speaker 1: There are some interpretations in here that came as a
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Speaker 1: surprise for at least me. I would assume most viewers
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Speaker 1: that I actually really enjoy I really liked some of
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Speaker 1: his interpretations, and we will get to that. By the way,
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Speaker 1: this will be a spoiler filed review, so if you
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Speaker 1: are looking for a non spoiler field review, this is
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Speaker 1: your time to exit. Now.
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Speaker 3: Story is three thousand years old.
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Speaker 2: If you're looking for a spoiler spoiler field, get at
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Speaker 2: just I don't know what to tell me.
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Speaker 1: Well, when I say that, I do mean the interpretations,
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Speaker 1: because I do if you haven't seen this film yet,
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Speaker 1: and obviously like you're familiar with the poem, like you know, okay,
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Speaker 1: you know how this story's gonna go. But like I said,
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Speaker 1: there are two interpretations in this movie that you probably
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Speaker 1: would not necessarily see coming, and I really really enjoyed them. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: good point in any case. Yes, so Nick, all right,
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Speaker 1: you told me you were in an hour and a
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Speaker 1: half worth of sleep and you enjoyed the back out
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Speaker 1: of this movie, Rudge enjoy.
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Speaker 2: Man God, like the the the amount of just like
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Speaker 2: the cinematography in general was really like breathtaking and like,
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Speaker 2: I mean, no one could have done this so perfectly,
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Speaker 2: like other than Nolan, right, I mean his his like
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Speaker 2: adamancy on using like practical effects and putting the actors
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Speaker 2: like in the environments and even down to like the score,
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Speaker 2: right like Ludwig Jorgensen, I forget, I forget how to
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Speaker 2: say his last name, but even like he wasn't allowed.
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Speaker 3: To use an orchestra for the score, so he had to.
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Speaker 2: Like find all these like unique ways to like recreate
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Speaker 2: music that would have been like existing around that time, right,
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Speaker 2: And so like all these like little details built up
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Speaker 2: to this like amazing, as you said earlier, epic, right,
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Speaker 2: and we just get this really an incredible feat right.
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Speaker 2: And I said earlier that like the first half it
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Speaker 2: took it took me, it almost took me half the
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Speaker 2: movie to like really settle in because it was just
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Speaker 2: from the beginning so big and so impressive to just
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Speaker 2: like see how they were doing everything that it really
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Speaker 2: took me like half the movie to really settle into
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Speaker 2: like the actual story and get me like enough like
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Speaker 2: done being in awe of just what I was like seeing.
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Speaker 2: And I didn't even see an imax, like just on
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Speaker 2: thirty five millimeter, you know, And I'm still just like
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Speaker 2: what the heck? So, I mean the IMAX thing is
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Speaker 2: a whole other level. Yeah, it's my quick thoughts.
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Speaker 1: My quick thoughts. I I was blown away by some
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Speaker 1: certain performances I thought I was a little concerned about,
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Speaker 1: and I think you shared this concern with me too, Nick,
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Speaker 1: of Matt Damon playing Odysseus and how that was going
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Speaker 1: to work and for how the film is structured as
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Speaker 1: far as the language that is used, which is a
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Speaker 1: bit more contemporary than what we would be familiar with
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Speaker 1: in the Odyssey, I thought I actually worked really well.
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Speaker 1: I thought Matt Damon was pretty damn good, and like,
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Speaker 1: once we got to certain action scenes, like I understood
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Speaker 1: why they chose Matt Damon to be this role and
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Speaker 1: I was quite happy with his performance. My favorite scene
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Speaker 1: in the movie, however, is definitely the encounter with Circe
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Speaker 1: and Samantha Morton's performance as Circe is for me, it
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Speaker 1: is the standout scene of the entire film. I would
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Speaker 1: say that I have a couple issues with the film.
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Speaker 1: One of them is because of how big it is
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Speaker 1: and how many A lister actors we have, It's really
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Speaker 1: hard for some of the A listers to really get
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Speaker 1: a chance to really like expand on their roles. There
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Speaker 1: are some standout exceptions, and Samantha Morton is like the
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Speaker 1: standout exception for me. That scene with sirc the Witch
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Speaker 1: is so intense and so scary.
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Speaker 3: There was yeah like that, And then the cyclop scenes.
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Speaker 1: Want exceptionally well.
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Speaker 2: No one is bordering on horror film like status here
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Speaker 2: like with these with those two like scenes, right, which
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Speaker 2: is I wonder because I, you know, I had seen
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Speaker 2: something recently about him potentially wanting to get into do
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Speaker 2: like an actual horror film, and I wonder if these
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Speaker 2: are two like kind of precursors to him like testing
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Speaker 2: some things out there. But those scenes were very like
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Speaker 2: disturbing in their own ways and excellent, those two sequences.
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Speaker 2: There's a great point about so many A list actors
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Speaker 2: and not being able to maybe fully settle in right,
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Speaker 2: Like Charlie Stearn's in there playing Calypso Calypso thank you,
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Speaker 2: and you know that was really cool, but you can
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Speaker 2: definitely feel that maybe there's a little settling an issue
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Speaker 2: with it being like fully fully there for you, right, Like.
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Speaker 1: I mean the same thing. It's the same issue with
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Speaker 1: like Zendia as yeah, right right, I mean, like I
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Speaker 1: love seeing Zendia on screen. She has a wonderful presence,
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Speaker 1: but yeah, she doesn't get to do too much in
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Speaker 1: the role of Athena, which which is surprising giving Athena's
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Speaker 1: role in the poem. But you get to that later.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great point.
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Speaker 2: And then like someone like memnon no lines except for
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Speaker 2: the part where they're in hades right, so like you
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Speaker 2: don't have any living lines from him, but still like
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Speaker 2: an insane presence, like the he was just massive, like
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Speaker 2: just incredible how they made him so much bigger and
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Speaker 2: badder than everyone else in those few scenes that he
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Speaker 2: was in.
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Speaker 3: It was just so incredible.
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Speaker 1: Let's unpack that for a second, because, yeah, I have
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Speaker 1: some thoughts on that that I was very interested in, because,
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Speaker 1: like you said, we don't hear agamm On speak until
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Speaker 1: are scene in Hades, which, by the way, I had
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Speaker 1: three scenes that I was really looking forward to, Cyclops, Sercy,
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Speaker 1: and Hades, and all three they just just like you
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Speaker 1: said they were. But anyway, so Agmemmon, we do not
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Speaker 1: hear him speak, and every time he is on screen,
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Speaker 1: the cameras pay special attention to building up this like
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Speaker 1: very large presence that people are very like even his
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Speaker 1: own men are very scared of. And it's very clear
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Speaker 1: that that's the feeling that we're supposed to take away
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Speaker 1: from this. Why do you think that is? Why do
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Speaker 1: you think Nolan really stressed this so much, especially when
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Speaker 1: you take into consideration the theme of this movie, like
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Speaker 1: this darkness that is spreading this you know, endless violence
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Speaker 1: that Matt damn that Odysseus believes that he has started.
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Speaker 2: Oh man, I that's such a great question. But I mean,
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Speaker 2: Agamemnon is supposed to be you know, he's he's the
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Speaker 2: the right, like he's the the all powerful being here
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Speaker 2: in this like part of the world, and so he's
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Speaker 2: supposed to have this like x external presence that's just
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Speaker 2: bigger than everyone else, and everyone's fighting for him right
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Speaker 2: on his orders, right because his brother's wife was taken
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Speaker 2: or left him or you know whatever.
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Speaker 1: Well, so this is actually something that the movie adds, right,
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Speaker 1: that that's not that's not the real reason why they
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Speaker 1: went to war. That's that's the reason in the poem,
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Speaker 1: But the movie tells us Odysseus tells us that the
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Speaker 1: real reason is to open the trade routes that Troy,
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Speaker 1: that Troy has closed down.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Which that's an interesting ad, right, Like.
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Speaker 1: Well I think it so nothing here is wasted, right,
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Speaker 1: So I think that this speaks to the theme, which
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Speaker 1: is men's greed, right, and like what it's willing to
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Speaker 1: do to satiate the appetite. In the poem, that that's
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Speaker 1: something that comes up a lot, is is the hunger, right,
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Speaker 1: and how hunger is never satiated. So I would I'm
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Speaker 1: venturing here speculating a bit that perhaps that that is
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Speaker 1: that is why that they threw that in there. As
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Speaker 1: for Agamemon, and you know, like you said, how how
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Speaker 1: big of a presence he casts, there are certain characters, uh,
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Speaker 1: you know, not just in the movie, in the poem obviously,
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Speaker 1: And I will say, you know, as far as differentiating
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Speaker 1: the poem in the movie, Homer's Odyssey is Homer's odyssey,
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Speaker 1: this is Nolan's odyssey, and this is this is gonna
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Speaker 1: be different in a lot of ways. There are a
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Speaker 1: lot of characters that represent a lot of different things, right,
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Speaker 1: and one of those things is is like very clear
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Speaker 1: at the end of the movie as far as like
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Speaker 1: Athena's role, right and what she represents, movie really takes
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Speaker 1: a second to like, let you know about that, right.
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Speaker 1: I think Agammon, I think he's literally death, and I
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Speaker 1: think that's why we never hear him speak until till
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Speaker 1: he's until he's dead, like and there's an irony to that, right.
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Speaker 3: I love that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say his biggest role as death or
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Speaker 1: like where this really feels solid to me is my
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Speaker 1: favorite shot of the movie, and that is the Troy sequence,
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Speaker 1: which is phenomenal, by the way, and the men open,
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Speaker 1: the Greeks open the gates of Troy, and the first
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Speaker 1: thing you see is Agamemn just standing there in darkness,
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Speaker 1: and then ten years of rage the men come pouring
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Speaker 1: into the city and just start brooding. So like, for me,
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Speaker 1: I think that's what he's supposed to represent. I think
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Speaker 1: that's why he's not talking.
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Speaker 2: Wow, that's a great point. And that scene is insane
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Speaker 2: in and of itself, and the cool thing there too
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Speaker 2: is and we talked about this in our Nolan Fest
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Speaker 2: episode with you know Nolan's like themes and his films
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Speaker 2: being time and obsession. And the second that the men
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Speaker 2: are inside the horse and they start being dragged inside
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Speaker 2: the gates of Troy, there is like a timer in
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Speaker 2: the background. There's like the music and the score, and
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Speaker 2: the tension just starts to build. And the second they
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Speaker 2: drop out of that horse and they start their invasion.
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Speaker 2: By the from the second they hit the ground from
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Speaker 2: the horse until they get the gates open, the tension
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Speaker 2: that you feel is just like so insane and dynamic,
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Speaker 2: and it just grows and grows and grows and grows,
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Speaker 2: and it just reminds me of so many of the
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Speaker 2: other other big scenes from other Nolan films with this
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Speaker 2: tension growing, right, and when we've talked about this in
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Speaker 2: previous episodes.
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Speaker 3: And so that stands out as like a huge.
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Speaker 2: Scene, right, just that that moment between getting out of
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Speaker 2: the horse and opening the gates and then of course
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Speaker 2: this like changes everything, right, and this is like one
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Speaker 2: of the greatest stories ever told, and it's incredible.
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Speaker 1: I think you are absolutely right to call that out
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Speaker 1: as far as like a Nolan like time technique, because
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Speaker 1: he did the same exact thing in Oppenheimer when we're
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Speaker 1: waiting for the Trinity task. It's one of those things
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Speaker 1: where like we the viewer already know what's going to happen, right,
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Speaker 1: and he's taking advantage of that. He's taking your advantage
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Speaker 1: of the fact that you already have this knowledge, this expectation,
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Speaker 1: and he's dragging it out in like the best way possible,
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Speaker 1: and you're waiting for all hell to break loose. You
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Speaker 1: just don't know when Pandora's box is going to open here, right,
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Speaker 1: or what it's even going to look like when it does.
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Speaker 1: And tick tick tick tick tick. And then the explosion happens,
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Speaker 1: and this time the explosion was a bunch of Greeks
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Speaker 1: waiting outside, right, Yeah, crazy crazy.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, there's also the other Yeah, I mean, I know
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Speaker 2: you brought up Oppenheimer. The other thing that really gave me,
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Speaker 2: like a an Oppenheimer thought is, you know, the big
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Speaker 2: thing in Oppenheimer is that, like, the big over lying
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Speaker 2: theme that you find out at the end is that
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Speaker 2: Robert Oppenheimer thinks that, you know, he started a that
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Speaker 2: he started reaction, a chain reaction that cannot be undone. Right,
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Speaker 2: And Odysseus has the same exact thought, Yeah, throughout this film,
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Speaker 2: and it's the big overarching theme at the end, right,
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Speaker 2: that he thinks because he broke a rule of war, right,
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Speaker 2: offered a gift and then betrayed them with this.
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Speaker 1: Gift Trojan horse being the gift here.
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Speaker 2: The chrodren horse being the gift, and then betray and
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Speaker 2: the betrays that that trust. Right, he thinks he started
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Speaker 2: a chain reaction that essentially is causing the world over
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Speaker 2: the twenty years that he's working to get back home,
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Speaker 2: that causes the world to no longer believe in the
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Speaker 2: laws of.
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Speaker 3: The gods and the laws of Zeus essentially just like.
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Speaker 2: Very interesting comparison right to Robert Operrahimmer's story, and.
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Speaker 1: You're so ready to call that out. I think that
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Speaker 1: this is something that no one is really latching onto,
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Speaker 1: this idea of man of genius starting something, taking advantage
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Speaker 1: of their own genius and unleashing a darkness that they
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Speaker 1: themselves did not quite understand. Right. And this is not
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Speaker 1: us reaching here if you have not seen the film.
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Speaker 1: This is the theme of the movie. And it becomes
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Speaker 1: extremely clear at the end that this is what the
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Speaker 1: great guilt of Odysseus and why perhaps he did not
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Speaker 1: want to return home because he did not want to
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Speaker 1: see the darkness that he had unleash spread upon Ithaca.
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Speaker 1: And I thought that this was such an amazing interpretation
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Speaker 1: of the poem. My biggest I guess fascination with that
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Speaker 1: is the parallel between the invaders entering Troy and then
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Speaker 1: the suitors entering Odysseus's house, right, the suitors being a
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Speaker 1: microcosm of what the Trojans are excuse me, what the
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Speaker 1: Greeks did in Troy, right, and now he has to
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Speaker 1: face that darkness himself. I loved that idea of you know,
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Speaker 1: another theme that we have not talked about with Nolan films,
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Speaker 1: and is present in a lot of his films with
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Speaker 1: his main characters, is not just obsession but also guilt.
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Speaker 1: Many of them carry guilt for these horrible things that
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Speaker 1: they have done. These men of genius, right, and that
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Speaker 1: is that is Odysseus in this movie. I was worried
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Speaker 1: that it was going to glorify Odysseus a little too much,
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Speaker 1: especially in the beginning, where it was really you know,
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Speaker 1: showing us the hero status that that he's earned. And
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Speaker 1: you know, if you're familiar with the Odyssey, Odysseus is
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Speaker 1: not a good dude. He's he's a really, really shamey
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Speaker 1: kind of guy. You have, talented of course, and brave
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Speaker 1: of course, but shady.
19:31
Speaker 2: And extremely smart when it comes to war, and extremely
19:34
Speaker 2: smart when it comes to war.
19:36
Speaker 1: And the movie builds up the legend, but then you know,
19:40
Speaker 1: tells us you know, who this guy really is and
19:43
Speaker 1: what he feels as though he has done. Nick, what
19:46
Speaker 1: did you think about the use of Athena in this movie?
19:49
Speaker 3: God, it's so interesting, Like.
19:54
Speaker 2: And he brought it up earlier, right, It's very different
19:56
Speaker 2: from from the book in a lot of ways. Yeah,
19:59
Speaker 2: and honestly, throughout the film, I was like it was
20:03
Speaker 2: very sporadic when Athena would would pop up right during
20:05
Speaker 2: the film, And I mean it's kind of similar in
20:07
Speaker 2: the story.
20:08
Speaker 1: But it's even more random in the post.
20:10
Speaker 3: It's even more random.
20:11
Speaker 2: Yeah, But like something felt a little weird about it
20:15
Speaker 2: right throughout the film, and then at the very end
20:17
Speaker 2: when you see that Zendiya's character actually was someone that
20:21
Speaker 2: they killed in Troy mm hmm, it kind of brings
20:26
Speaker 2: it home for you, right, Like this is Odysseus's like
20:29
Speaker 2: claimed this person as a god in human form, right
20:33
Speaker 2: in your human clothing, right, and so this has become
20:37
Speaker 2: like almost like his regret envisioned as Athena, right, yes,
20:41
Speaker 2: And so such an interesting choice, right because in the book,
20:46
Speaker 2: in the poem, it's Athena is just is a god, right,
20:49
Speaker 2: It's not someone that he views as his version of regret.
20:53
Speaker 1: Yeah. And the gods are extremely present throughout most of
20:57
Speaker 1: the story, whereas in the movie, in no one's attempt
21:00
Speaker 1: to really ground things, even even with magic, right, we
21:04
Speaker 1: don't see the gods except for Athena. And as you
21:07
Speaker 1: point out, it's actually not Athena.
21:10
Speaker 2: Right, It's just like his manifestation of of regret essentially
21:14
Speaker 2: in a way.
21:15
Speaker 1: So I mean, I mean she's both right, like she
21:18
Speaker 1: is the manifestation of regret, but like to him that
21:22
Speaker 1: that little girl that or little girl, that woman that
21:24
Speaker 1: was killed is Athena because she literally is slaughtered in
21:28
Speaker 1: the house of Athena in troll right, and you know
21:31
Speaker 1: we see the decapitation of the Athena statue and that's
21:34
Speaker 1: who this this vision, this amalgamation of a person is
21:38
Speaker 1: to him.
21:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, so really interesting creative choice. I I didn't have
21:43
Speaker 2: a problem with.
21:44
Speaker 1: It at all, right, Like you can't, I think, for yeah,
21:47
Speaker 1: for the realistic take he was going for, I kind
21:49
Speaker 1: of really enjoyed it.
21:49
Speaker 2: Actually, Yeah, and and kind of like what you said, right,
21:52
Speaker 2: it's Nolan's honesty. So there's gonna be some some creative
21:55
Speaker 2: liberties and some movie telling things that he's gonna he
21:58
Speaker 2: wants to to kind of get home there. You mentioned
22:03
Speaker 2: Hades being one of your favorite scenes. I was extremely
22:06
Speaker 2: looking forward to this as well for a different reason
22:10
Speaker 2: because a couple of times in the Odyssey Achilles is mentioned.
22:13
Speaker 3: Right. Obviously, in the.
22:15
Speaker 2: Iliad, Achilles is much more prevalent, but in the Odyssey
22:18
Speaker 2: a handful of times, specifically in Hades. In the Odyssey,
22:21
Speaker 2: there is Achilles is also there, and there are some
22:24
Speaker 2: lines from Achilles, and I don't have it in front
22:26
Speaker 2: of me at the moment, but there's a specific line
22:28
Speaker 2: from Achilles at the end of the Odyssey that I loved,
22:31
Speaker 2: and I was really disappointed that it wasn't in the movie.
22:34
Speaker 2: It makes sense why Achilles isn't in it, right, Like,
22:37
Speaker 2: this is not an Achilles movie.
22:39
Speaker 3: Like that's you can go watch the movie.
22:40
Speaker 2: Troy, right like, And really they kind of replaced it
22:43
Speaker 2: in some instances.
22:45
Speaker 3: Maybe they replaced Achilles with sin On.
22:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, or at least the Haiti scene, it felt like
22:50
Speaker 2: sina On was kind of the replacement for Achilles, sus
22:53
Speaker 2: supposing to be there. The sin On storyline in general,
22:57
Speaker 2: I don't recall from the poem.
22:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's he's not in He's not in the poem, right,
23:02
Speaker 1: so he is, He's very briefly mentioned.
23:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, So this is kind of another creative liberty from Nolan,
23:08
Speaker 2: adding some extra, some extra you know, dialogue and storytelling
23:13
Speaker 2: here with with that particular thing.
23:15
Speaker 1: I mean, for for the sake of for the sake
23:18
Speaker 1: of expanding on altinuous character who we haven't even gotten into.
23:21
Speaker 3: Right, which we can transfer to now.
23:24
Speaker 2: Right. The point I wanted to make about Hades, I
23:26
Speaker 2: just that was all I really wanted to say about
23:28
Speaker 2: that addition there but a Teneus's character. My good Like
23:32
Speaker 2: Pattinson is fantastic man.
23:35
Speaker 1: When talking about a list actors who got a chance
23:37
Speaker 1: to expand, oh yeah, he got a chance.
23:39
Speaker 3: He crushed it.
23:40
Speaker 2: He really he he was really the highlight for me
23:42
Speaker 2: and him and Damon. Honestly, Tom Holland playing Telemichus.
23:49
Speaker 3: Was really cool. I thought he got better. Yeah, the
23:52
Speaker 3: film went on.
23:54
Speaker 1: I thought he was fine.
23:55
Speaker 2: Yeah.
23:56
Speaker 1: My problem was I just couldn't unsee Peter Parker.
24:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that and then also like he's in he's
24:04
Speaker 2: also in Uncharted, and there was something about his Uncharted
24:06
Speaker 2: character and and this and the way that he played Telemachus, Telemachus.
24:10
Speaker 3: Whatever, Telemachus Telemachus, thank you gosh, the.
24:14
Speaker 1: Greek, I know we're taking Greek today.
24:16
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that we're kind of similar in some ways. Honestly,
24:20
Speaker 2: it might just be how he moves and how he fights, right,
24:22
Speaker 2: so you're kind of picturing those characters, other characters he's played.
24:25
Speaker 3: But I think he got better as the movie went on.
24:27
Speaker 2: That scene at the very end when he finally realizes
24:30
Speaker 2: who Odysseus is, and and that same scene Odysseus is
24:33
Speaker 2: reunited with his dog, which is just like, I mean,
24:38
Speaker 2: talk about making you making you cry out of nowhere
24:41
Speaker 2: after a three hour movie. Thank you, Christopher Nolan.
24:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, that that hit hard.
24:45
Speaker 3: That was an awesome scene. That was really cool.
24:48
Speaker 2: And the Best Boy, Yeah, The Best Boy also kind
24:54
Speaker 2: of transitioning to the end right where we where we
24:58
Speaker 2: are when he's in the room with the suit, right
25:00
Speaker 2: and he's he's he's stringing his bow.
25:04
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's the archery contest.
25:06
Speaker 2: Is the archery contest and him stringing his bow, and
25:09
Speaker 2: it just brings me back to the sound editing of
25:11
Speaker 2: this film was just so dynamic, Like there were moments
25:15
Speaker 2: where you're just jolted out of your seat because it
25:19
Speaker 2: goes from complete silence to just utter chaos from a
25:23
Speaker 2: sound perspective, right, And that's because of what's going on
25:26
Speaker 2: in the world too, Right, It's like calm sees all
25:28
Speaker 2: of a sudden to just torrential hurricane winds and nighttime
25:32
Speaker 2: like crazy sound editing, but the specifically like the way
25:36
Speaker 2: they use the bow right, like they use it throughout
25:39
Speaker 2: the film with Nolan, like or with with Odysseus like
25:43
Speaker 2: you know, being a hunter but wanting to give everyone
25:45
Speaker 2: a chance, right, and so he would just like pop
25:47
Speaker 2: the bow, so it makes us like sound wave. And
25:50
Speaker 2: then one at the very end, right where after he's
25:52
Speaker 2: strung the bow and and and Penelope has like got
25:56
Speaker 2: her back turned because she doesn't she thinks it's not working,
26:00
Speaker 2: and she hears the bow right, and like in that moment,
26:02
Speaker 2: there's just like chills went down my spine. I was like,
26:04
Speaker 2: this is just so such a cool way to kind.
26:07
Speaker 3: Of set this whole moment up.
26:08
Speaker 2: Like you know it's coming, right if you've read the poem,
26:11
Speaker 2: but even then, like no one let it build up
26:15
Speaker 2: for you throughout the film because of how many different
26:16
Speaker 2: times Odysseus does it with it in different scenes, you know,
26:20
Speaker 2: and then you finally get that like the last one,
26:22
Speaker 2: it's like so cathartic for him and for her and
26:25
Speaker 2: for for everyone involved that he was like wanting him
26:28
Speaker 2: to come back so so so much. It was really
26:31
Speaker 2: like a cathartic moment, like just hearing that bow, just
26:33
Speaker 2: like Verberate.
26:34
Speaker 1: Yeah out at the end, you're you're absolutely right. I mean,
26:37
Speaker 1: it's so much more impactful as a viewer to see
26:42
Speaker 1: or hear rather hears something like that. For me, it's
26:45
Speaker 1: the difference between looking at seeing Matt Damon say I
26:50
Speaker 1: am Odysseus. Two, we hear that, and we go that
26:54
Speaker 1: is Odysseus. Right, it's yeah, like you come to that conclusion, right.
26:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, And he he tested everyone else and then he
27:03
Speaker 2: tested himself.
27:05
Speaker 3: Essentially, right, And and.
27:07
Speaker 2: Maybe in some ways it was also proof to him
27:09
Speaker 2: that he's still who he thought he who he He's
27:11
Speaker 2: still who he was when he left twenty years ago, right,
27:13
Speaker 2: because he can still he can still string that bow
27:16
Speaker 2: and no one else can't.
27:17
Speaker 1: The first thought I had when when that happened, when
27:20
Speaker 1: you know the where he's got it strung and then
27:22
Speaker 1: the sound comes out right and like there's this deafening
27:24
Speaker 1: silence in the room and everyone's like, oh my god.
27:27
Speaker 1: My first thought was he's him.
27:29
Speaker 3: He's speaking of he is him. We have to talk
27:33
Speaker 3: about Travis Scott really quick?
27:35
Speaker 1: Oh my god, yes, we do. Sorry, Like so we're
27:38
Speaker 1: real quick, real quick. Before he said we were gonna
27:40
Speaker 1: say so, I looked up the cast for the movies,
27:42
Speaker 1: just because I was obsessed with how many eight listeners
27:44
Speaker 1: were in this film. Yeah, and that's that's when I
27:46
Speaker 1: first saw Travis Scott's Day and I was like, this
27:48
Speaker 1: can't be the same Travis s guy and look at it, like, yeah,
27:51
Speaker 1: it sure is, Like who on earth could he be
27:55
Speaker 1: playing in this film? I was just so ready. I
27:58
Speaker 1: couldn't wait to see who he was go ahead, because
28:00
Speaker 1: it didn't it didn't say it on IMDb, it didn't listen.
28:02
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, and then he opened He opens the film.
28:05
Speaker 2: Travis Scott opens the film like starting to tell the
28:08
Speaker 2: story of Odysseus and and and Troy in like poem
28:12
Speaker 2: for him right, Like I kind of like if you
28:15
Speaker 2: would read the read the book right, or if you
28:17
Speaker 2: if you had heard the poem like thirty three thousand
28:19
Speaker 2: years ago, like this is that's what he was going
28:20
Speaker 2: for rights.
28:22
Speaker 1: Literally about to sing a song right, And it was
28:24
Speaker 1: so cool and I was like, oh, this is awesome.
28:27
Speaker 2: And I think the reason it took me so long
28:28
Speaker 2: to settle in after that was because part of me
28:31
Speaker 2: was like, man, I wish that he was almost narrating
28:33
Speaker 2: the poem the story in a way throughout the film
28:36
Speaker 2: kind of, you know, and I thought that's what no
28:38
Speaker 2: one was going to do at the beginning when that
28:40
Speaker 2: when that happened, and obviously it doesn't go that route.
28:42
Speaker 2: And then we see Travis Scott again at the very
28:44
Speaker 2: end when he's kind of you know, it's essentially the
28:46
Speaker 2: same scene. But it was so it's so cool, and
28:49
Speaker 2: I thought he did a really great job, and I
28:51
Speaker 2: honestly I wanted more of him doing that, Like that
28:54
Speaker 2: was the like I was sad that we didn't get
28:56
Speaker 2: more of that, because it was really just a cool,
28:58
Speaker 2: a cool thing for Nolan to do and for Travis
29:00
Speaker 2: Scott to to do.
29:01
Speaker 3: I think he crushed it. That was awesome.
29:03
Speaker 1: I was. I was very curious why he made this
29:05
Speaker 1: decision to cast Travis Scott, and I went into a
29:09
Speaker 1: rabbit hole for it. And then from apparently he had
29:12
Speaker 1: been reasonably questioned about this, seems like, you know, well,
29:16
Speaker 1: the reason why you know, we wanted to pursue this
29:19
Speaker 1: was obviously, the Odyssey is a poem. There are bards
29:22
Speaker 1: or poets in the Odyssey, and we wanted to cast
29:26
Speaker 1: someone who could do that. And you know, who is
29:28
Speaker 1: the modern day poet, if not a rapper. So that's
29:32
Speaker 1: why they ended up looking for a rapper. But I'm
29:35
Speaker 1: curious why specifically Travis Scott. And my secret headcanon is
29:38
Speaker 1: that Christopher Nolan is a huge Travis Scott fan. I
29:42
Speaker 1: really want that to be.
29:42
Speaker 3: True until he denies it.
29:46
Speaker 2: It's true until he did, right so, and he'll never
29:49
Speaker 2: deny it now because he put him in a.
29:50
Speaker 1: Film, right I dude, you know what, you know what
29:53
Speaker 1: that means. That means we're going to see Travis Scott
29:55
Speaker 1: another Christopher Nolan movie.
29:57
Speaker 3: That would be so cool.
29:58
Speaker 1: All of these, all these actors, they all they all
30:00
Speaker 1: come back. Yeah, because ge Arry attached to his actors.
30:03
Speaker 3: Yes he does. It's a great point.
30:06
Speaker 1: Penelope. We we have to address the Penelope in the
30:09
Speaker 1: room and Hathaway and Hathaway.
30:12
Speaker 2: Yeah, honestly, I thought, I mean solid job. I don't
30:14
Speaker 2: I have Honestly, I don't think her performance really blew
30:17
Speaker 2: me away. And at any point, if I'm being quite honest.
30:19
Speaker 1: Like I don't there was there was one scene for me. Yeah,
30:23
Speaker 1: there was there was a skin where where she blew
30:25
Speaker 1: me out of the water and it is it is
30:28
Speaker 1: the there's a scene where Telemachus is telling Penelope his
30:33
Speaker 1: plan after after he has met the stranger and how
30:37
Speaker 1: he wants to have the suitors come over, and she's upset,
30:40
Speaker 1: reasonably because you know, she's like, well, you want to
30:42
Speaker 1: send me away all The only thing that's protecting me
30:46
Speaker 1: right now is the fact that I have something they want,
30:48
Speaker 1: that I have power, right, And as soon as you
30:50
Speaker 1: take that away, there I go into nothing right and uh,
30:54
Speaker 1: he asks what would you rather? What would you rather
30:57
Speaker 1: they have? And she says I would rather they burn?
31:00
Speaker 1: And like her delivery on that was fiery, fiery. Yeah,
31:07
Speaker 1: I agree. I I don't think there was anything that
31:10
Speaker 1: like beyond that. It was no Samantha Morton performance. Let
31:14
Speaker 1: me tell you, but I I did love I thought
31:17
Speaker 1: she was I thought she was pretty good for what
31:20
Speaker 1: little she had, But in that moment she was allowed
31:23
Speaker 1: to like really expand Yeah, yeah, that was great.
31:26
Speaker 2: That was a great that's a great call out. That
31:28
Speaker 2: was a great scene for her. Yeah that was that
31:30
Speaker 2: was awesome. Honestly, what else the other the other back
31:37
Speaker 2: to not sound editing but practical effects, like.
31:42
Speaker 1: How did you do it?
31:44
Speaker 4: The cyclops was a cyclone puppet was a freaking puppet,
31:48
Speaker 4: A gigantic puppet insane and they brought like real like
31:51
Speaker 4: twenty sheep in and they were in that cave for
31:55
Speaker 4: like three weeks apparently filming the whole thing like unreal,
31:57
Speaker 4: you know.
31:58
Speaker 2: And then they're on every time they're on a ship
31:59
Speaker 2: that around these ships like right, like people are like
32:03
Speaker 2: throwing up and stuff like there's b roll of just
32:05
Speaker 2: everyone getting just sick as hell, and even the whirlpool
32:11
Speaker 2: partly CGI, but they use jet skis to start creating
32:15
Speaker 2: it so they could use they could then paste the
32:18
Speaker 2: CGI off of the whirlpool created by jet skis.
32:21
Speaker 3: It's like like.
32:25
Speaker 1: He did all of this on budget and on schedule
32:30
Speaker 1: and using Imax cameras, which, because of the nature of
32:35
Speaker 1: IMAX you only have three minutes of filming out of time,
32:38
Speaker 1: so they'd be in the middle of these scenes, these
32:41
Speaker 1: dramatic scenes and be like cut, we're out of film.
32:43
Speaker 1: We got you gotta restocked every three minutes. And he
32:47
Speaker 1: did all that, including what you just said, the mastery
32:52
Speaker 1: of like these effects, on schedule, on budget.
32:57
Speaker 2: Right how yeah, totally saying yeah, but that is Yeah,
33:03
Speaker 2: that's all the things.
33:04
Speaker 1: I don't want to say.
33:05
Speaker 3: What else you got?
33:06
Speaker 1: I have one more thing, and it is it is
33:08
Speaker 1: related to time. And Okay, so, as we mentioned earlier
33:12
Speaker 1: in our previous Nolanfest episode, we've talked about how Nolan
33:15
Speaker 1: has in his toolkit a couple things that we see
33:18
Speaker 1: in every Nolan film obsession guilt, time and his experimenting
33:22
Speaker 1: with time or time as a theme in his movies,
33:26
Speaker 1: and we saw both in this movie. As far as
33:27
Speaker 1: the Odyssey goes, it's a very nonlinear story. In the poem,
33:32
Speaker 1: it is we cut back and forth between what's happening
33:35
Speaker 1: in Ithaca and what's happening to Odysseus as he lands
33:38
Speaker 1: in Faysha, and he's telling the story of how it
33:42
Speaker 1: took him so long to get here, right, and that's
33:44
Speaker 1: replaced with him telling the story to try and remember
33:46
Speaker 1: what happened with Calypso, which plays into him not wanting
33:50
Speaker 1: to acknowledge the darkness that he's unleashed. Right, So we
33:52
Speaker 1: get our nonlinear Nolan path there. However, what I really
33:56
Speaker 1: liked here, and this was an interpretation as far as
34:00
Speaker 1: time as a theme goes, is the time that is
34:03
Speaker 1: lost when he knows, when Odysseus knows that he has
34:06
Speaker 1: to go to war, and what that is going to
34:08
Speaker 1: cost him. It's not just going to cost him possibly
34:11
Speaker 1: his life. He's actually not that worried about that. This
34:13
Speaker 1: this cocky dude is actually really not worried necessarily about
34:17
Speaker 1: him dying. He's worried about the time he's going to
34:20
Speaker 1: lose while he is away. And this comes up at
34:25
Speaker 1: least three times in the movie, of what has been
34:28
Speaker 1: taken away from him, and it is that time, It
34:30
Speaker 1: is that humanity. And I love how Nolan continues to
34:34
Speaker 1: stress this in all of his movies. When he returns
34:37
Speaker 1: and he talks about the time that has been taken
34:39
Speaker 1: from him. It just felt straight out of Interstellar, you know,
34:42
Speaker 1: when Coop is talking to Murph at the end there,
34:45
Speaker 1: and like all this time between them has gone away,
34:48
Speaker 1: and you know it's been lost for the sake of
34:50
Speaker 1: a mission. Right. So, I mean, just just as far
34:53
Speaker 1: as Nolan as a storyteller, I was so curious how
34:58
Speaker 1: with his fascinations in time. I was so curious how
35:01
Speaker 1: he was going to work that into the Odyssey, And
35:03
Speaker 1: I think he threads it beautifully. Tragically, tragically, but you know,
35:07
Speaker 1: beautifully all the same.
35:10
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a great point. He's just great with time.
35:16
Speaker 1: Great with time. Oh, Nick, sorry, one last thing here,
35:19
Speaker 1: just as far as a thing I didn't like.
35:22
Speaker 3: There we go.
35:23
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know what, the scenes that are meant
35:27
Speaker 1: to feel big are big, and like I think he's
35:29
Speaker 1: you know, the Imax captures that right, and he makes
35:33
Speaker 1: certain things feel huge. I actually overall was not that
35:37
Speaker 1: thrilled with the cinematography of this movie. I thought it
35:40
Speaker 1: could have stood to be more either a colorful or like,
35:46
Speaker 1: be more creative with some of the things that we
35:49
Speaker 1: could have really seen. The movie opens with this title
35:52
Speaker 1: card of in an age where magic is upon us
35:55
Speaker 1: or like it's something like that magic is real is
35:58
Speaker 1: like what he's saying, And it was strange to me
36:01
Speaker 1: that we don't see anything He opens with that, and
36:02
Speaker 1: we don't see anything magical for a long time after
36:06
Speaker 1: that qu card. Yeah, And I don't know, especially some
36:10
Speaker 1: of the scenes out at sea, Like I just expected
36:13
Speaker 1: some different cinematography, and I have a I have a
36:18
Speaker 1: guess as to why perhaps we didn't see more creative
36:21
Speaker 1: camera techniques, and I think that actually might be his
36:24
Speaker 1: choice to use an Imax camera. The Imax camera is
36:26
Speaker 1: an enormous camera, and I think it really hinders your
36:29
Speaker 1: ability to be able to you know, expand on a scene,
36:34
Speaker 1: to like you know, walk through a scene, or to
36:37
Speaker 1: like come out into a scene and like give us
36:39
Speaker 1: like this giant scope starting very small, you know. So,
36:42
Speaker 1: like I I would have liked to have seen some
36:45
Speaker 1: different creative choice as far as the cinematography goes, Which
36:47
Speaker 1: is not to say that it's bad. It's not bad.
36:49
Speaker 1: It's it's good. I just wanted something a bit more
36:52
Speaker 1: for the Odyssey. My favorite shot is, as we mentioned earlier,
36:56
Speaker 1: the agamin Mon shot in the Gates of Troy. That
36:59
Speaker 1: that's what I'm that's the kind of stuff I'm talking about, Like,
37:01
Speaker 1: that's sick.
37:03
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was that was like wild. There was also.
37:10
Speaker 2: I'm blanking now no, I mean, I don't think it
37:19
Speaker 2: gets better than that that shot really, but like there
37:22
Speaker 2: was Okay, there's I forget they like like they like
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Speaker 2: make land in this one place with the giants in
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Speaker 2: the armor. So there was a couple of scenes there
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Speaker 2: that were really insane because it's like just the difference
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Speaker 2: in the perspective that they were Yeah exactly, yeah, that
37:44
Speaker 2: would That's probably the other thing that stood out right,
37:46
Speaker 2: But it's very similar I guess to the to the
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Speaker 2: aga mom one because it's again like a just a giant.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the bigness of what's going on.
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Speaker 3: The giganticness of the scene.
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Speaker 1: I think. I think, like for me, like the ingredient
38:00
Speaker 1: just like at certain times didn't feel great. No one
38:04
Speaker 1: has a very too it did you did throughout the
38:07
Speaker 1: entire film. But like there's there's a certain like you'll
38:11
Speaker 1: know what I'm what I'm talking about here, there's a
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Speaker 1: certain like blue gray color gradient that no one uses
38:17
Speaker 1: in so many of his films, and like he used
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Speaker 1: it a lot when they were out at sea, and
38:21
Speaker 1: it's just I don't know, I just don't like it.
38:23
Speaker 1: It's just it's not it doesn't pop, it doesn't look good,
38:26
Speaker 1: and maybe that's the intention. I don't know. I just
38:28
Speaker 1: don't like it. It's really present throughout all the Dark
38:33
Speaker 1: Knight films for the record, Yeah, yeah for sure.
38:37
Speaker 2: But also there they were they spend time in like
38:40
Speaker 2: a bunch of different places during this one, right, So
38:44
Speaker 2: I guess harder to stick to maybe one gradient and
38:46
Speaker 2: that in that respect.
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Speaker 1: And into what you were saying, Nick, as far as
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Speaker 1: the end goes, like as we got to Ithaca, there
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Speaker 1: is a different gradient that is used at that point,
38:55
Speaker 1: and actually I do like it a lot more that
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Speaker 1: orange and dark that that and throughout all of the
39:01
Speaker 1: castle scenes. And I mean that slightly change of subject here.
39:05
Speaker 1: I agreed with what you said earlier. My favorite parts
39:07
Speaker 1: of the film actually were toward the end of Ithaca,
39:09
Speaker 1: and I think that's kind I just got really into
39:12
Speaker 1: the drama of what was going on.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that also like coming off reading the poem,
39:17
Speaker 2: like that's the freshest in your mind too, like the ending, right,
39:20
Speaker 2: because we we essentially just finished the poem, so it
39:22
Speaker 2: was cool to see how that all kind of came together.
39:25
Speaker 2: Ending wise a little bit different, a lot different, yeah,
39:31
Speaker 2: which it's like because in the poem it essentially ends
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Speaker 2: with like Athena like stopping the day, you know, stopping
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Speaker 2: the battle, and in this case it was them like
39:42
Speaker 2: going west to honor the dead from like the twenty years.
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Speaker 1: And I did not hate this because like it's it's
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Speaker 1: a change, but like, if you think hard on it,
39:52
Speaker 1: it's not a huge change because what happens in the
39:57
Speaker 1: poem is the reason why Athena steps in is because
40:00
Speaker 1: a cycle of violence is about to spin endlessly if
40:04
Speaker 1: they do not quell the rage in men's hearts right,
40:06
Speaker 1: which she comes out, it does, and then peace for
40:09
Speaker 1: everyone and we're all happy, right, Whereas Odysseus acknowledges that
40:15
Speaker 1: darkness has spread, right, and that it's going to continue
40:19
Speaker 1: to spread, and it's going to continue to spiral. But
40:21
Speaker 1: one day we will forget, we will forget our mistakes,
40:25
Speaker 1: and peace will return. And while that works itself out,
40:30
Speaker 1: I'm going to go out west and you know, honor
40:33
Speaker 1: the men that died in the name of Greece and
40:36
Speaker 1: died in my name, and we're not properly respected. So
40:40
Speaker 1: it is a longer way of getting there. Whereas, like
40:44
Speaker 1: you know, the speed ran it in the poem, but
40:48
Speaker 1: it ultimately comes to the same place with the same themes.
40:51
Speaker 1: So I mean, I wouldn't say it's it's a gigantic change.
40:54
Speaker 1: It's more so you know, it's no one's interpretation, keeping
40:56
Speaker 1: it more grounded, more real. But yeah, I would say
41:00
Speaker 1: that's probably the biggest change that's made. But if you
41:02
Speaker 1: think too much, or if you think more on it,
41:04
Speaker 1: it's it's not a huge departure from what the source
41:06
Speaker 1: material actually is. But that is our odyssey, And truly
41:12
Speaker 1: I had a wonderful time with it. Nick, If you
41:14
Speaker 1: were to give this movie a grade out of five,
41:16
Speaker 1: what would you give it?
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Speaker 3: Oh?
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Speaker 2: Man, I forgot about the grading. I'd say four point
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Speaker 2: three five. Maybe that's a little low when I'm sticking to.
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Speaker 1: It, I appreciate considering I was a bit more harsh.
41:31
Speaker 1: I am a bit surprised. I will go with a
41:34
Speaker 1: four or five, ignoring my criticisms, mostly because of just
41:38
Speaker 1: how impressive it is that he pulled this off and
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Speaker 1: in such a magnificent way. You know, great point. Yeah, yeah,
41:45
Speaker 1: it just it really is epic. Three hours. Sure, three
41:49
Speaker 1: hours is asking a lot of an audience, but like, honestly,
41:51
Speaker 1: like I had a pretty good time watching it.
41:54
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I was.
41:54
Speaker 1: I was amazed throughout most of the film.
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Speaker 3: Ah, agreed. Well that'll do it.
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Speaker 3: Change my mind with the end