Latest / True Crime and Wine Time / S5 E11 A Cop’s Deadly Agenda - The Chilling Crimes of Austin Lee Edwards

Transcript

S5 E11 A Cop’s Deadly Agenda - The Chilling Crimes of Austin Lee Edwards · True Crime and Wine Time

• 0:00
  Speaker 1: M hmmm. Hey, everybody, welcome to True Crime one time.
• 0:15
  Speaker 1: It's another one of our weekly episodes. This is gonna
• 0:18
  Speaker 1: be a doozy. I am JT and I am joined
• 0:23
  Speaker 1: by my co host with the most.
• 0:27
  Speaker 2: I am very true Crime and I have to tell
• 0:29
  Speaker 2: you this case is.
• 0:33
  Speaker 3: It's something it's sending night and I'm producer Tara.
• 0:41
  Speaker 2: This producer Tara. Yes, are you hard of being on
• 0:44
  Speaker 2: camera yet? This week? Retired? Being on camera yet?
• 0:48
  Speaker 4: Week?
• 0:50
  Speaker 2: Today? Yesterday? No, it's been fine.
• 0:52
  Speaker 3: But I'll let everyone in on what we're all talking
• 0:56
  Speaker 3: about here in a few minutes, So welcome.
• 1:01
  Speaker 2: Just leave them guessing.
• 1:02
  Speaker 3: I will leave them guessing. There's big stuff happening everywhere.
• 1:05
  Speaker 3: But if you guys haven't yet, remember to like this
• 1:08
  Speaker 3: video because it makes the YouTube God's happy, and let
• 1:11
  Speaker 3: people know that we're live, and also subscribe and hit
• 1:13
  Speaker 3: the notification belt that way you never miss when we
• 1:16
  Speaker 3: do go live because we've got a lot of crazy
• 1:18
  Speaker 3: things coming up.
• 1:20
  Speaker 2: Are you very excited?
• 1:21
  Speaker 1: It's so hard. Yeah, it's so hard having your popularity
• 1:24
  Speaker 1: being deemed basically being given that based on a billionaire's algorithm.
• 1:31
  Speaker 1: It's so weird.
• 1:33
  Speaker 3: The times we live in the times yeah. Well, before
• 1:39
  Speaker 3: we go get into the story, I got to do
• 1:42
  Speaker 3: my producer job and just do some promos. Let the
• 1:46
  Speaker 3: people know what we're up to, because we have a lot,
• 1:49
  Speaker 3: a lot going on, like so much crazy stuff is
• 1:52
  Speaker 3: happening right now with our channel. First thing that we
• 1:55
  Speaker 3: got going on is our True Crime and my time
• 1:58
  Speaker 3: live in person joe May third, which is next weekend,
• 2:03
  Speaker 3: not this weekend, but the weekend after Terry.
• 2:07
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 2:09
  Speaker 3: I looked at the calendar and I was like, oh
• 2:10
  Speaker 3: my gosh, but Terry and JT. You can meet them
• 2:13
  Speaker 3: in person at the Hamilton Pool Vineyards and Farms in Austin, Texas,
• 2:19
  Speaker 3: where JT and Terry will be doing a deep dive
• 2:21
  Speaker 3: into the unsolved case of the Austin Yogurt Shop murders,
• 2:25
  Speaker 3: which is a very bizarre, interesting case. So be sure
• 2:30
  Speaker 3: if you're in that area check them out. Tickets are
• 2:33
  Speaker 3: available to buy right now. Then in July July nineteenth,
• 2:37
  Speaker 3: they will be visiting me up here in Ohio, Mary
• 2:40
  Speaker 3: and Ohio where we'll be doing blend of seven Wineries
• 2:44
  Speaker 3: and they'll be looking into the puzzling disappearance and death
• 2:48
  Speaker 3: of Joey LaBute, which is one of my important cases.
• 2:52
  Speaker 3: I heard you got I'm sorry, what was I heard?
• 2:54
  Speaker 3: You got corrupt cops on this channel that we do. Now,
• 2:58
  Speaker 3: if you guys have any local wineries or breweries and
• 3:01
  Speaker 3: you want to see JT and Terry in person live,
• 3:04
  Speaker 3: you can go ahead and email me at Tara t
• 3:07
  Speaker 3: A r A at tcwtmedia dot com and I would
• 3:10
  Speaker 3: be happy to add you to our list. Now, if
• 3:15
  Speaker 3: you guys haven't become a member yet, you guys will
• 3:20
  Speaker 3: want to, all right, so be sure to join today.
• 3:26
  Speaker 3: You see that little button that says join. Look it's
• 3:32
  Speaker 3: circled and read. Click that right now. It's a fancy
• 3:35
  Speaker 3: schmancy joined bion and you get a pick which tier
• 3:38
  Speaker 3: suits you best. Look at that all the options for
• 3:41
  Speaker 3: whatever works. JT and I, Terry and I will be
• 3:44
  Speaker 3: having a members only again in May, and that live
• 3:48
  Speaker 3: show we're just talking about, guess what.
• 3:51
  Speaker 2: We're going to stream it for our members only.
• 3:52
  Speaker 3: So if you can't make it to Austin, become a
• 3:54
  Speaker 3: member and you can watch JT and Terry live talking
• 3:57
  Speaker 3: about the yogurt shot murders, which is awesome.
• 4:00
  Speaker 2: And we're on a stage and and I've had night.
• 4:08
  Speaker 1: Off the stage, so you you know, you know how
• 4:12
  Speaker 1: not organized. I have printed out this script front and back.
• 4:16
  Speaker 1: It is actually within a binder with the clear front.
• 4:20
  Speaker 1: So I am ready.
• 4:21
  Speaker 2: Oh you're bringing the laptop to correct.
• 4:26
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that's gonna come with me obviously. Okay, but
• 4:28
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be hard to be laptop with the light.
• 4:31
  Speaker 1: But we'll see.
• 4:32
  Speaker 2: I have one request for this live show.
• 4:36
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
• 4:37
  Speaker 2: Please don't step on my toe. It's still.
• 4:42
  Speaker 1: I stepped on. I stept on all kinds of toes
• 4:45
  Speaker 1: this week. The digital toes included uh no, yeah, not
• 4:52
  Speaker 1: planning on it. I have a very nice sensible shoe
• 4:56
  Speaker 1: that is pretty flat like my soul. That's and uh
• 5:03
  Speaker 1: and yeah, oh do you want do you want my?
• 5:05
  Speaker 4: Now?
• 5:06
  Speaker 1: Listen, I know the answer is what this is gonna be,
• 5:08
  Speaker 1: but it's up to you. Do you want my my, my,
• 5:11
  Speaker 1: my pink shirt, my purple shirt, what do you want?
• 5:14
  Speaker 2: I think you should bring them all and then we decide.
• 5:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would bring them, Okay.
• 5:19
  Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not checking a whatever it is
• 5:22
  Speaker 1: is going to pack and fit in my carry on.
• 5:24
  Speaker 1: But I ain't checking nothing as.
• 5:26
  Speaker 2: Long as you don't have a problem with me ironing it.
• 5:30
  Speaker 1: Oh no, I would. I would. Actually, I was planning
• 5:33
  Speaker 1: on asking you if you had a steamer.
• 5:35
  Speaker 2: I have that too, So okay, I'm a girl. I
• 5:39
  Speaker 2: love that.
• 5:40
  Speaker 3: Okay, guys, we got one more big announcement before we
• 5:43
  Speaker 3: go in the show. It's our biggest one of the week.
• 5:46
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 5:46
  Speaker 3: So this week t C W T Media has decided
• 5:50
  Speaker 3: to start streaming live court trials on our new show,
• 5:55
  Speaker 3: Couch Court with Lama.
• 5:56
  Speaker 2: That's me.
• 5:58
  Speaker 3: I'm on there every day at eight thirty. It's been
• 6:03
  Speaker 3: a long week. If you undered earlier, their joke about like,
• 6:05
  Speaker 3: oh aren't you tired?
• 6:07
  Speaker 2: I think we've.
• 6:07
  Speaker 3: Done what twenty four hours almost this week. But anyway,
• 6:12
  Speaker 3: it's totally awesome. We're currently in week one of the
• 6:15
  Speaker 3: Massachusetts versus Karen retrial. Oh my goodness, you guys, it's
• 6:19
  Speaker 3: going to get wild. You can catch us tomorrow per
• 6:25
  Speaker 3: day four. Be the here at eight thirty am Eastern
• 6:28
  Speaker 3: Standard time. Sorry eat West Coasters, but people do get
• 6:32
  Speaker 3: up that early to come and watch the show. So
• 6:35
  Speaker 3: you ain't have to put clothes on. You can just
• 6:36
  Speaker 3: come on your pajamas. It's fine because it's the comfiest
• 6:40
  Speaker 3: courtroom on the internet, and it's not just me. I
• 6:43
  Speaker 3: also have guests that come on as well, such as Buffy.
• 6:46
  Speaker 2: And Annie and even Terry was on and we just
• 6:49
  Speaker 2: have a good time.
• 6:49
  Speaker 3: So tomorrow eight thirty am, come join us for couch
• 6:53
  Speaker 3: Court with Lama. And that's all I got for you
• 6:57
  Speaker 3: guys today. So let's go over drinking and get an
• 7:00
  Speaker 3: to this because I'm sure.
• 7:02
  Speaker 2: The problem with Muffy though it says I'm sad, What
• 7:05
  Speaker 2: does she mean she's sad?
• 7:07
  Speaker 3: I am sacked. I think sat and ready to go.
• 7:13
  Speaker 2: I don't know what that means.
• 7:15
  Speaker 3: But yeah, so it's been a very exciting week doing
• 7:18
  Speaker 3: that show. It's fine, it's what are.
• 7:23
  Speaker 2: You drinking tonight? Mister j T.
• 7:27
  Speaker 1: Well, you know this this may As we were putting
• 7:32
  Speaker 1: this together, I realized that this may or may not
• 7:35
  Speaker 1: be one of the darker and you know, it's one
• 7:39
  Speaker 1: of those scripts where you know, it's one of those
• 7:42
  Speaker 1: cases where it's like this is very cringe, but also
• 7:47
  Speaker 1: it's part of the story and it was very dark.
• 7:50
  Speaker 1: So okay. In short, I decided that I was going
• 7:52
  Speaker 1: to forego the wine, I know, but I decided to
• 7:56
  Speaker 1: go with a dark beer, so Guinness it is. I
• 8:00
  Speaker 1: brought a whole six pack up with me because I'm
• 8:02
  Speaker 1: gonna need it.
• 8:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, six Guinness.
• 8:07
  Speaker 1: I'm already on my second one, but.
• 8:11
  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm having one of my good old reliables. It's
• 8:17
  Speaker 2: Josh seven Young Blanc. In the tasting notes, I think
• 8:22
  Speaker 2: you'll get it. Our seven Young Blanc is Sunshine in
• 8:25
  Speaker 2: a glass, aromatic and bright with crisp, clean finish. This
• 8:30
  Speaker 2: wine features flavors of Limon Kiwi and sents of green apple.
• 8:36
  Speaker 2: And I needed the sunshine and a glass and I
• 8:38
  Speaker 2: even have a cute little glass tonight.
• 8:40
  Speaker 3: I love that is that Sammy Sunshines wine?
• 8:43
  Speaker 2: Did we put her in? It? Should be?
• 8:46
  Speaker 1: Should be?
• 8:48
  Speaker 2: We're gonna have to let.
• 8:51
  Speaker 1: I love how I was like, this is a dark
• 8:53
  Speaker 1: case of picking a dark beer, and you're like, this
• 8:55
  Speaker 1: is a dark case. I need something.
• 8:57
  Speaker 3: L Well, I'm just drinking my usual. You have so
• 9:01
  Speaker 3: many road mescato because.
• 9:05
  Speaker 2: He just got it. So that's what the closest store had.
• 9:08
  Speaker 3: One of these days, I will go have time to
• 9:11
  Speaker 3: go to the store and get.
• 9:13
  Speaker 2: Double H chair line up before he went to play racketball, like,
• 9:18
  Speaker 2: can't you grab me a bottle please?
• 9:20
  Speaker 3: I kind of forgot about having drinking on the show. Tonight,
• 9:24
  Speaker 3: you know, because I was like, well, you know, I
• 9:26
  Speaker 3: got to be on the show at eight thirty, so
• 9:28
  Speaker 3: you know. But then I was like, oh, I drank
• 9:30
  Speaker 3: all my midday mescato during court, so don't think I don't.
• 9:35
  Speaker 2: Ah, sammy sunshines here. I thought you were in my bottle.
• 9:40
  Speaker 2: I must have let her out when I opened the lid.
• 9:44
  Speaker 3: And Steady Raws welcome O. Come all right, get you.
• 9:49
  Speaker 3: Why don't you tell us what while you're so interested
• 9:52
  Speaker 3: to talk about this tonight?
• 9:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 9:55
  Speaker 2: Why you picked this dark hell for us?
• 9:58
  Speaker 3: That's true? Why they did pick this? Yes, But then
• 10:01
  Speaker 3: I was also, we're doing it?
• 10:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, probably because it's got like local pies to me.
• 10:07
  Speaker 1: All right, well not me, but okay, anyways, let me
• 10:10
  Speaker 1: say this upfront. What happened in Riverside, California was and
• 10:13
  Speaker 1: is devastating. It's one of those stories that kind of
• 10:17
  Speaker 1: makes you want to triple check every door lock and
• 10:19
  Speaker 1: update your privacy settings and maybe you can reconsider letting
• 10:21
  Speaker 1: anyone under thirty explain discord to you, because that's just
• 10:27
  Speaker 1: skibbitty Ohio and lacks of riz dog. That was really
• 10:30
  Speaker 1: hard to say. I was not convinced we're moving on,
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: all right. So, Austin Lee Edwards is a man who
• 10:36
  Speaker 1: have never worn a badge, let alone been able to
• 10:39
  Speaker 1: carry a gun. This is not your typical true crime
• 10:42
  Speaker 1: tale with a clear bad guy and a trail of
• 10:44
  Speaker 1: red flags. This is a full blown parade of systemic failure.
• 10:48
  Speaker 1: Somewhere along that kind of parade route, Virginia State Police
• 10:52
  Speaker 1: lost their good hiring practices float. The story's dark, and
• 10:56
  Speaker 1: I mean dark, like trigger warnings all over this. This
• 10:59
  Speaker 1: man is absolute scum of the earth. And that's all
• 11:03
  Speaker 1: I got to say is about that.
• 11:06
  Speaker 2: Yikes, you kind of mentioned it, but you know I
• 11:10
  Speaker 2: chose my wine when Wah asked me what to get
• 11:13
  Speaker 2: is because this case makes me need sunshine and glass,
• 11:16
  Speaker 2: because this case is dark and it shows some of
• 11:19
  Speaker 2: the worst side of a human being, in my opinion.
• 11:24
  Speaker 2: But the case not only showcases the worst things a
• 11:28
  Speaker 2: human can do, but also highlights why processes are so important,
• 11:35
  Speaker 2: especially when it comes to hiring someone who is supposed
• 11:39
  Speaker 2: to uphold the law enforcement oath of honor and Guys,
• 11:44
  Speaker 2: I'm going to read that to you because I want
• 11:46
  Speaker 2: you to have this in your head when we're doing
• 11:49
  Speaker 2: this on my honor. I will never betray my integrity,
• 11:55
  Speaker 2: my character, or the public trust. I will always have
• 11:59
  Speaker 2: the curve to hold myself in others accountable for our actions.
• 12:05
  Speaker 2: I will always maintain the highest ethical standard and uphold
• 12:10
  Speaker 2: the values of my community and the agency that I serve.
• 12:16
  Speaker 2: Now I can tell you the case that we're about
• 12:20
  Speaker 2: to discuss. I can tell you that the officer that
• 12:23
  Speaker 2: gave this oath failed. Okay, he was not successful. I
• 12:29
  Speaker 2: can also tell you that the department and the county
• 12:35
  Speaker 2: that hired him failed, and because of their failures, guys,
• 12:40
  Speaker 2: three innocent people lost their lives. Two girls lost their innocence,
• 12:45
  Speaker 2: and their lives have been changed for ever. Oh that
• 12:51
  Speaker 2: sounds so dark, terry goodness.
• 12:57
  Speaker 3: So, I don't really know much about this case. It's
• 13:00
  Speaker 3: like a couple of things, really, So I'm I think
• 13:05
  Speaker 3: what I've heard is just that there's some Virginia State
• 13:09
  Speaker 3: Police nonsense going on. And I find that interesting because
• 13:13
  Speaker 3: we have some massive Massachusetts State Police things going on
• 13:17
  Speaker 3: and Karen Reid and you know there there seems to
• 13:21
  Speaker 3: be issues everywhere, and and what I do know about
• 13:27
  Speaker 3: this case is disturbing. But I'm in training to learn
• 13:32
  Speaker 3: more of how how what I do know even got
• 13:38
  Speaker 3: even happen like I don't. I can't wait to see.
• 13:41
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I want to know we are and just say,
• 13:47
  Speaker 2: because we're doing this and you're covering Karen Reid, not
• 13:51
  Speaker 2: all police officers or law enforcement officers are bad. There
• 13:58
  Speaker 2: can be bad apple in any career, any department, any company.
• 14:06
  Speaker 2: I just needed to put that clarification in and all
• 14:09
  Speaker 2: opinions expressed here are our opinions expressly are owed because
• 14:14
  Speaker 2: I got some opinions.
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I tend to think that bad apples are created
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: by a bad basket, and the basket should be fixed
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: to stop the bad apples.
• 14:23
  Speaker 3: I will say, what I've learned so far is that
• 14:25
  Speaker 3: there just needs to be more transparency and accountability, you know,
• 14:30
  Speaker 3: and sometimes you don't get that until after people have died,
• 14:37
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: So that's all, and we're going to learn because most
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: law enforcement departments, even in the count the county where
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: I'm at, in the emergency response team, our chief says
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: everything stops with him. If I was to make a
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: mistake and break my oath, he would hold himself accountable
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: along with me. This case, that does not happen. Yeah, no,
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: so let's hop into this yeah, come on, hurry, am
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: I nice?
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: Let's tell the story.
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: Let's go all right, So there's not a ton we
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: know about Austin Lee Edward's younger life. Get ready to
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: barf a little? Did we barf a little? Let's collectively okay,
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: And honestly, it's not because of what he looks like.
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: It's just what he did. So doing some basic yeah,
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: doing some basic you know, math slash you know, Lama
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: was able to get me his exact birthday. It looks
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: like he was born September one, nineteen ninety four. And
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: by it looks like, I mean he was. There isn't
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: much available about his early life. It's kind of hard
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: to say whether or not his upbringing had much to
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: do with his final actions. Now, in the announcement for
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: the graduation of his class from Trooper School, he was
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: listed as being from a place called Pounding Milly, Virginia.
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: I look that up and it's real and also literally
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: in the middle of nowhere, Virginia, five hours west like
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: they have like three hundred and sixty seven people in
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: just over two square miles. That's the town They're claim
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: to fame is made in Spring, which is a farmhouse
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: where Confederates camped out once was turned into a historic
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: landmark in nineteen ninety four. There's not a lot happening
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: no matter the case. We do know that he had
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: a mental health crisis in twenty sixteen. Now I need
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: you guys just to you know, hold on tight, because
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: we're gonna do We're gonna talk about this and then
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: we're gonna go back and bring it back to you'll see.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: So let's talk a little bit about this, the mental
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: health crisis in twenty sixteen. I think it's important to
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: say that I'm not bringing this up for nothing. This
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: plays a large role in the timeline that Terry's gonna
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: go over both pre and posts this. So we are
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: gonna kind of tear Tino in February twenty sixteen, when
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: Austin was twenty one years old. Now we don't know
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: a ton about what's going on. Well you don't anyways
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: at this point, but suffice to say, on February seventh,
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, he was watching the Super Bowl with his dad.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: They each drank two beers that evening question.
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: I forgot to ask the chat if anyone in Chat
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: has heard of this case before. If you have ra
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: raise your hand and chat. Have you guys heard this before?
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: I just really buffy to stop talking about apple pie
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: because I now feel like I need to go bake
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: an apple pie. So oh yes, please and send me some.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: And yes, you can hide a bad apple in it.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: Nobody knows.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, I'll know.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: Okay, sorry, I'm.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: At all costs, so we don't. So they each drank
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: two beers that evening. Later that night, his dad awoke
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: to the sound of his son making noise in the bathroom,
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: which must have been horrifying to his dad. He'd for
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: many reasons. I'm sure he had no idea what was
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: going on. He called out to him, but there was
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: no reply. He got up and he went to the bathroom.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: The bathroom door was locked shut, but every good parent
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: knows a way to unlock their doors, whether it be
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: a key or a small metal piece to turn the
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: little lock from the inside, or a screwdriver. In this case,
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: he had a screwdriver and opened the door and saw
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: his son with a self inflicted injury to his hand.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: It was a cut. His dad didn't know what his
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: son used to harm himself, but there were knives in
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: a small hatchet nearby, so there's very little doubt, yeah,
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: that something else could have happened, right, So his dad
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: called for an ambulance while his son went to his
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: room and sat on the bed. And while he was there,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: he was repeatedly opening and closing a pocket or folding knife. Strange.
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: Why why, I mean, he was just in there with
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: knives and stuff.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: I know, we do. We do find out that he
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: had a collection of all kinds of things.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: See, I don't find the pucket knife is weird because
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: double H carries one in his pocket. A lot of
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: men do, and when you're nervous, you just sit there
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: and play with it.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Well, that's not why. I think it's more surprising because
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: he just had he was just found.
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't think it's weird that he
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: owns one.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, So when his dad let him know that
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: first responders were on their way, he was reported to
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: have tried to leave the apartment, and on his way out,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: his dad subdued him in the kitchen, which something that's
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: something else. So EMTs arrived to the apartment and they
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: found him being held down by his dad's So they
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: requested lease assistance. Edwards was resisting medical aid and was
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: attempting to escape his dad's control. When the police arrived
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: around three point thirty am on February eighth. The next day,
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: they found a large presence of blood inside. I don't
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: know what this means really, that a large amount, large presence.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: It's all relative, you know, I mean it kind of
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: sounded like the blood was looming ominously in the corner,
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: but you know, so the incent reports said that a
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: lot of blood.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think between the top and the toilet there
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: in case anyone can't really make it out. It looks
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: like that whole dark spot there is And that's a
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: lot of enough to call nine one one an ant,
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: like more than just.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: The cuts, you know.
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, okay, so this is pretty serious here.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah he did something. Also, I really love the quality
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: of photo, considering it was twenty sixteen. Does anybody have
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: an iPhone? Also? That's that's Hella tile. That's Hella nineties
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: a tile. I thought.
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: The incident report said that Edwards continued to resist, refuse
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: to let empties treat his injury, and continued to escape,
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: trying to escape his father and at one point, an
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: officer ordered Edward to show his hands, and in response,
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: he started threatening everybody, just like the Oprah of threat stingers,
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: like you get one, and you get one and everybody
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: gets a threat. Police pulled out a taser, to which
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: Edwards told the officer freaking use it. His dad pleaded
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: for the officer not to use the taser and said
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: that he could subdue him, which, after how long have
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: you been trying is really my question? But okay, they
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: finally got him to the ground and.
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: To let him yeah, attempt that.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh So they finally got him to the ground too,
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: were able to cuff him and strap him to a stretcher.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: He was taken to Johnston Memorial Hospital in Washington County,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: where he had a quote apparently serious cut to his
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: left hand and said a couple of things in front
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: of authorities that caused some concern, like he would kill
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: his father and then kill himself the moment he was free.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: Cool, Okay, yep, that's a mental health crisis for sure,
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: like textbook mental health crisis. His father, By the way,
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: I don't know anything about that guy, but he did
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: the right thing in this scenario.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: It seems absolutely dead.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: And that's hard to do, to be that person that
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: has to do all this.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, absolutely, And in addition, his dad had
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: bites on both of his arms from from Edwards, but
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: he also refused medical treatment.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: That's well, if I think I have for the way,
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: I have a thought on that, because if you get
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: medical attention, then they're going to have to write up
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: a police report that he injured someone else. Then it
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: could become aggravated. I mean, it could become assault at
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: domestic violence. So by declining to get medical help in
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: doing a fifty one to fifty type situation, they didn't
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: follow a report that way.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: Okay, that does make sense, even though if you get better,
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: you should get medical attention because like it can get infected. Absolutely,
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: maus are disgusting. But okay, that makes sense because obviously
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: he doesn't want charges or things to happen to his son. Okay,
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: I suppose that makes sense.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: It's a whole other meaning to assault by Canine. No.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: A custody order was issued in response to the suicidal
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: and homicidal statements that were made by Edwards. The LA
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Times reported that a judge issued a tellemporary detention order
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: because of the quote substantial likelihood that, as a result
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: of mental illness, Edwards will in the near future seriously
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: harm himself or suffer harm because of his lack of
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: quote lack of capacity to protect himself from harm or
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: provide himself with basic needs. This included a barring of
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: him purchasing, possessing, or transporting firearms. Officials in jurisdictions of
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: two known addresses for Edwards told the LA Times they
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: do not have records that show he ever petitioned the
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: court to actually restore his gun rights, so that never
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: he never reversed.
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: That right because you can.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: It's right, you can't.
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Like they take them away for a good reason.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: But it's not like other instances where like you get
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: it taken away for good like you can like you've
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: gotten treatment and you feel you're doing better.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: Right, And he voluntarily allowed them to commit him. So
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: even though you voluntarily agree, you lose your rights. That's
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: why some people, like in Texas do not want to
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: check themselves in because the minute you do, they can
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: file for you to lose your rights.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: Do you know, is it difficult to get them back?
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: I don't know, Okay, I was just if anybody knows,
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: please put it in chat. I'm curious to know if
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: anyone knows.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: Sorry, go ahead, I mean, well, I can tell you, well,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: I can tell you Virginia's so the petition for process
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: for gun rights restoration. The there's no minimum residency requirement,
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: so if you mood to Virginia Beach, you're not required
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: to wait an arbitrary amount of time before filing in
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Virginia Beach. So you can do it whenever. But the
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: opposing party is supposed to get a copy of the
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: petition to the Commonwealth's Attorney. That attorney might not always
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: be in complete opposition to the so it might not
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: be a problem. If they are, then they you know,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: they obviously could be. But factors that the court consider
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: circumstances of the individuals involuntary commitment, the person's criminal history,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: treatment record, and reputation has developed through character evidence. So
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: it sounds kind of kind of traditional, like.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, case by case basis, you know, you're getting treatment,
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: you're depend.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: You're owning up to it and accepting responsibility, and you're
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: trying to do the right thing.
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, okay, my apologies.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: Being all over the board with that. I just looked
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: it up. So it was a good question though, because
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: I didn't know it. So it was quite an evening
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: to talk about. That's an exhausting night, and it's also
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: something that should have been kind of foundational piece of
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: the record. And I do want to say I totally
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: believe that someone should not be defined by their background
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: or the mistakes that they've made or the struggles they've
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: had in the past. I think people can change. However,
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: I think it is kind of important to consider. And
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: this isn't the first time he's done something that would
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: raise eyebrows, so this was an important part of the story.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: And he's an adult at this point, right, He's not
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: a child. He's a grown adult. Yes, legal adult. Okay,
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: I mean that's not a grown adult in my book,
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: but you know, illegal well okay.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: And they say your brain still hasn't fully developed.
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah, so, oh.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Dude's brains don't develop ever.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: Twenty year old May was a fucking idiot.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: Okay, yes you were, and me.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: I was right, all right. Now, we learn much later
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: after something serious happens more details about Austin's mental health crisis,
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: and that that health crisis in twenty sixteen, was a
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: result of a predatory relationship. Okay, Okay, so I'm going
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: to just tell anybody if you know a trigger warning.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: If any type of essay or grooming, anything like that
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: triggers you, you might want to skip the rest of
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: tonight because it's not pretty, it's not right. But we're
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: not going to be describing. No, no, but for some
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: people you don't describe.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: Absolutely. I was just asking for an additional warning. Okay.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: There are examples of text messages and messages that we're
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: sent back and forth, so there is some of that.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: But yeah, no, we don't get.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: But of course here, you know what, if you're not comfortable,
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: I'll come back another time. We'll always be here, So
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: no harm, no foul promise.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: Okay, yes, Buffy, you did join a cult. I didn't
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: realize it was a cult either, but you are correct.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Our leader is Tara, and she stubliminally makes us do things,
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: and apparently she buys stuff and other people go and
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: buy stuff. That's true.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: So but about all that, But everybody's welcome. Everybody's welcome
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: sounds good.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: So in October of twenty fourteen, a twenty year old
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Austin Lee Edwards began grooming and stalking a thirteen year
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: old and we are going to call her Lisa after
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: they met on amikla A megla, which I amigo, I
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: have never freaking heard of. But it is an online
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: platform that randomly pairs use the users together to communicate.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: Oh like, oh gosh, what was chat roo? One of
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: you guys remember the chat days. It's a chat that's
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: where all the dives. You would go live and they
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: would just randomly pair you up with somebody and you
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: both would be on camera. It was when I was
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: a dumb twenty year old and I would go, well, maybe.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: I have never heard of such a thing.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: We'd go get drunk. We'd come home, all group of us,
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: we'd turn on the computer and get on there and
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: just you know, make fun of anyone because you could
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: like leave and it would bring you a new person.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: It's oh my god, could we away? Could we just
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: set up a deep dive to get into that one day?
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: Because I have so many questions going on my head
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: right now.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: You're gonna see a lot of egg plants, Jerry, Okay
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: to be answered.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: Is it just the egg plants for the real life
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: egg point?
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: The real life. Oh no, no, wait, yeah, you know
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: what I mean.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: You know, okay, okay.
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: We would get drunk and then we would point and laugh.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: We are kind of mean about it, but also look away.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: Okay. Oh honey, no, that's not okay. Oh honey, Yeah,
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: gods are stupid.
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: Anyway, back to the story I've shared much person.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: Day later, they started talking on Skype, and they bonded
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: over memes. Initially, I mean, who doesn't who doesn't bond
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: over funny memes? Right? Yeah, friends, the conversation with him
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: quickly became sexual, and I'm going to just tell y'all
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: that picture freaks me out just saying now. One day
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: after they started chatting on Skype, and guys, I had
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: to ask double h did you know you could chat
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: on sky and not just make calls? He goes, well,
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: I no, you can, now. I was like, no, back
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: in twenty fourteen you could. I had no idea to
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: do that. So I'm learning so many new things. But
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: they chatted, and this is one day after they started
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: chatting on Skype. Edward sent a message to the lady
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: I'm calling Lisa that said, and this is the quote, Yo,
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: what the F I said? I wanted tits waiting on
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: me when I got back, and this girl responded, I'm
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: sorry now because at thirteen year old guy, thirteen years old, guys,
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: you are not mature enough to know how to respond
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: to this type of sexual stuff. And she is literally
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: a child. And this is horrible to think that she
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: even had to come up with the response like that
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: to a comment. And it makes me want to cry
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: because guys, as a fifty four year old female, I
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: would be pissed off if some guy I just started
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: talking to messaged me this. I get pissed when they
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: send me pictures of their eggplants in private chats.
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: Right, nobody's entitled. It's receiving anything, all right, if you're listening,
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: tell them to go f themselves.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: You're not child. She's thirteen, have been child, guys. Monkey
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: butt will be thirteen this year. Lord help the person
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: who says that to her.
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: Babe, your own loser. That's right, So gross this guy,
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: it's gross already.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: I've said some raucous things in my time, mostly on
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: live Uh, but like that's insane, Like he has a
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: really odd idea of what communication is. But then again,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: I guess I gestured to the entire reason we're doing
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: this episode.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, in case that's not bad enough. He also
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: would drop homophobic and racist slurs, including the use of
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: the in word, which I am not going to say.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: That's just going to write down one more thing on
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: my list of hate directed at this dude.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: And then, guys, he started pressuring Lisa to share nude
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: photos of herself, even after she disclosed to him that
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: she had just turned thirteen. I mean, guys, he literally
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: waited for her to finish school in order to video
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: chat or be able to respond to him.
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: Oh gross.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So in a conversation Bell, I know, WI gets worse, another.
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: Hand says so much already, I'm done with him.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: Edwards wrote to her, did I hell you? I went
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: trick or treating, to which she replied nope. Then he
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: wrote I totally did, and I'm twenty, and she responded
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: and said me too, I'm thirteen.
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: What.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: There's a lot that's weird about this guy. And that's
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: an understatement, but like bragging this somebody, listen, that's just
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: it's a really weird flex, like a really weird flex.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: Wow, it's so creepy. And guys, I we're gonna learn
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: later that she's not his only victim. I also believe
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: there's other stuff and we just don't know about it. There,
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: he didn't just wake up when he was twenty and
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: decided to start doing this. Why would a twenty year
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: old go trick or treating.
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: So yeah anyway or tell people about it? Yeah, so
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: in by your own candy? At when he does he
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: know that you can buy your own candy. You don't
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: have to go ask people.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: I'm sure his daddy would have bought I mean his
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: dad would have bought it for the kids and then
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: just eat it yourself.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Right then.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: The conversation also fell to suicide and self harm often,
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: of course, and he would say that she was the
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: only person he had and would threaten to kill himself.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: He'll ever stopped talking to him. He would show his
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: handgun a knife collection over video.
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: I am very badass.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I did go listen to the cryptic podcast.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: I think that's what it was called, something like that,
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: and they actually communicated with this young lady who's now
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: an adult. But as he also sent her links to
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: snuff porn ew I hate that at thirteen So you
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: can go to their Patreon account. They said and read
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: the four thousand or forty thousand, however many message it was.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: I chose not to, but if you want to go
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: look it up, now I have to go look. I
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: want to say the Cryptic.
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: Podcast, yeah, okay, okay, wow. I don't know if I
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: could bring myself to do that.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: But their patreon, I think was cryptic Files or something
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: paranormal and cryptic. I will find it and I will
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: share it with guys because I watched their YouTube today.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: Now on April tenth, twenty fifteen, he asked her to
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: skype okay, and Lisa said I can't yet, and he goes,
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: why is that because my mom kill her? I'm giving
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: myself a black eye? Okay, wow, right, I till.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: You pulled that entire paper and I'm running out of
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: space that I'm keeping my I hate Austin list on anything.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: We're talking about Austin Lee Edwards, not Austin Texas or
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: Austin to sold my child. So just making tru're all
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: clear on that. Wow, that's in nose. This guy is instant,
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: he's and that's what she You know, she comes forward
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: after the next person. You cannot convince me that was
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: his first one. I mean at thirteen, she told Later,
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: she told the guys of the podcast, she goes, I
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: was scared to tell my mom and I was scared
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: of him. So but he often referred to Lisa as
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: his girlfriend, and he would masturbate on camera and try
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: to pressure her to undress and do the same. Thank God,
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: she says she never did because it it just felt
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: bad and she trusted did her gut. Now. On January
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: twenty seventh, twenty sixteen, Lisa told him that I'm done
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: with you. I want to break up, okay, and he
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: pressured her to stay with him, and guys, she must
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: have agreed because he said, don't do that again. That hurt,
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: is what he said in one of the messages.
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: All right, but what a little bitch boy.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I do think there were some mental
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: health issues with me. I do believe there was something
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: going on. But still, but four days later.
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: I've gotten rid of all my sympathy for the stre
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: It's out the window.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: But four days later he said, listen, there's not an
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: obstacle that's going to stop us from being together if
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: that's what we both want. He wrote, it doesn't even
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: matter if you're fourteen and not technically allowed to do
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: shit yet. She was fourteen by that time. He admitted
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: in a message to.
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: Her, Yeah, I would be interested to know if he
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: has any ties to in cell reddits, subreddits, et cetera.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: He seems like in cell material.
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: I mean, you saw the neck beard in that one
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: picture here, I'll pull it up.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I had an entire episode with so
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: it just feels like, yeah.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: He did something on a discord channel, and they tell
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: you about that discord channel but apparently got taken down.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: But he was into very not good stuff. Now. The
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: La Times reported.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: I just just real quick that first part, because I
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: do kind of know that direction the story goes connecting
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: this past with what's about to happen. That is, we're
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: about to connect some dots. That first part of that statement.
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: There's not an obstacle that's going to stop us from
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: being together.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: That is chilling. He's for telling the future. Okay, all right, now,
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: let's go. The La Times reported that they reviewed nearly
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: four thousand messages sent over two years provided by the
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: woman that we're calling Lisa, and guys, she sent them
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: all to that podcast. If you want to go listen
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: and they spoke with her and they communicated. She made
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: the comment that she was lucky to be alive. So,
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: but the information that really connects the dots. Like JT
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: said earlier, I'm going to help you put those dots together.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: I'm going to do like the prosecutions not doing very
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: well for me on the Karen Reid trial, he's not
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: telling the story right or connecting the dots yet, So
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: I am to do it early on. Okay, I'm going
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: to connect the dots for you.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: And if you don't know what she's talking about, you
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: can catch couch cart with Mama tomorrow at thirty am.
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: He starts a time to know exactly what we're talking about.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: Go ahead, So, like JT said, we make it to
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: February seventh. He says, it's Super Bowl. I care more
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: than it's the week before Valentine's Day.
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: That's where I go. I go to the love, not
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: the sports ball. Now, he told Lisa he wanted to
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: kill himself, he wouldn't because he loved her. He asked
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: a video chat on Skype. He was crying and he
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: had been drinking alcohol. He told Lisa that his life
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: was awful and was concerned she would leave him. Now,
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: over chat, he told her that he cut himself. She
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: asked why, and he said it was an accident. When
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: she asked him if he was sure it was an accident,
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: he wrote, no, I might have done it out of sadness.
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: Oh jeez, what a manipulate piece of shit. That's all
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: he's doing. He's manipulating a child mm hmm, emotionally manipulating.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: And he learns from this experience. We'll learn later. So
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: on a second video call that same day, Austin sat
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: in a bathroom with his back pressed to a closed door,
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: like JT mentioned, and he showed Lisa a cut that
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: he had made on his hand and the silver hatchet
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: he used to do it. So he showed her. Okay,
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: But that video call abruptly ended when Edward's father tried
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: to come into the bathroom because he heard those weird noises,
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: and JT told us about the EMTs and stuff. Now,
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: Austin's dad told the EMTs that his son had girlfriend problem,
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: and I have a message for his dad, Sir, your
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: son did not have girlfriend problems. He was the problem. Okay,
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: he was the problem. Just eed to make sure we
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: are clear with that he did not have girlfriend problems.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: He was the problem. Okay, just making sure I don't
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: think you. I don't think his dad new, but I
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: don't want anyone to say, oh, it was a relationship,
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: No it was not. It was not a girlfriend that
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: he was the problem. Okay. Now, three days after he
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: gets taken off, he messaged Lisa again and he told
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: her a different story. Okay. He told her, I was
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: walking around outside the other night and slipped and cut
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: my hand pretty bad, and they thought it was a
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: suicide attempt. But it was on my hand, not my wrist. Why, Okay, okay,
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: And he goes on to say the therapist tried to
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: figure me out, but they didn't find anything wrong. Now,
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: I want to say there, if you are having a
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: mental break, it doesn't mean it's still happening twenty four
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: hours later, and I think that's something that you know,
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: we do need to acknowledge. But he then said, yeah,
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: I actually knew a bit about how those places work,
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: so I just told them everything I wanted to hear.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: So they threw me out in two days.
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: Okay, this day doesn't look that fucking smart, But okay, okay.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: It's infuriating. Listen, it's infuriating because it means one of
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: two things. They're really shitty at their job where he went,
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: which is more than pausible, or they're understaffed and don't
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: have time to devote to each patient that comes in
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: their care, or they simply don't care. And I know
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: that's three things. I'm bad at math.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: And I was like, going, no, that's two. No, that's
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Now I'm gonna play the devil's advocate
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: because we all know I like to do that because
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: I didn't have time to look. But I think I
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: remember that we're there was some prolific like a serial
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: killer or somebody who they were very skilled liars, okay,
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: And it made me think of LaDonna Oh from over It.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: Pretend remember her because remember she was able to lie
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: in fool people for years. Some of them were mental
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: health professionals, psychologists, psychiatrists. She was able to fool them
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: for a time. So I'm just saying, I don't think
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: we can blame the facility one hundred percent.
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, we clearly know that he's manipulative. That's
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: his goat, that is his go to here, and so he.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: Went on a voluntary hold. They could only keep him
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: for two days unless they had proof that at that
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: moment when it was time to be released, that he
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: was going to hurt himself for others at.
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: The time, right, because they can only hold you for
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: what like forty eight seventy two hours probably depending I
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: think it yeah on the place, or think ten days
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: or a yeah, something like. All right, was trying to
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: make himself seem like a fucking genius, but he's not.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: I'm saying it could have been those things. I don't know.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: I just want I just wanted to more point out
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: that maybe he was a really good liar and manipulator,
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: because we see he does it again and he manipulates
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: some other people.
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: It's unfortunate. It's unfortunate because clearly he's not okay. You know,
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: whatever happened, he's still a loser. It needed to be
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: way more intense than whatever happened here at this point.
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: But continue on.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: I'm so sorry, go ahead.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: Jat post yeah, post super Bowl incident. This is still
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: with Lisa. After February, she showed her communication, She showed
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: her communication with him. By September or sorry, she slowed
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: her communication with him. L's don't look like h's. By September,
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: she had blocked him. He told her he had a
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: new girlfriend after she blocked him on Facebook. That was
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: the year she turned fifteen in twenty sixteen. He kept
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: sending our messages from different Facebook accounts for years. She
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: was scarce, appropriately so being scared. Luckily, she never told
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: him her real name, which is good god. It still
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: didn't end though. In April of twenty twenty, she turned eighteen,
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: and he tried to call her on Facebook. Then in
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: December of twenty twenty, he messaged her hey with a
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: sad face. She then messaged him back and told him,
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: which I don't suggest, by the way, don't ever message
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: somebody back. She didn't know any better. It's not her fault.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: You shouldn't have to even deal with this. But I'm
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: just saying any response at all gives them this high,
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: and they just keep doing it. So anyways, in twenty twenty,
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: you messaged that hey, She messaged him back, told never
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: contacted her again. She blocked him. I mean, like overall,
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: like I'm so angry, I'm so angry, but like just
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: a few short months later, take it away, Terry.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: And I want to say, hopefully there's no thirteen year
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: old watching this, because we are eighteen and up. But
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: if you are, tell your parents if something like this happens,
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: you are not going to get in trouble. You did
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: nothing wrong, even if you got on the internet when
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: you weren't supposed to. Just like the day that we
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: were streaming and my monkey butt popped up in the
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: chat and she's not supposed to be on this channel,
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: and I took care of it because what else can
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: she see or talk to?
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: Or coming soon one Time brings you True Crime with Lamba,
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: which is going to be all animated and voiced over
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: and it's gonna be a good show.
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: Oh gosh, could you imagine?
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: I love you, I love you, but I'm sorry, I'm
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: gonna have to say that I think Buffy should do
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: that because she does such as Buffy should do it.
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, if you guys, go on our YouTube channel. Under videos,
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: there is a about a minute and thirteen clip from
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: Couch Court with Loma where Buffy did an amazing brilliant
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: reenactment of part of the Karen Reid based on the
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: Karen Reid Trial.
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: It's so great. It brings me so much. She's going
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: to do our animation.
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: She's the best now fun anyway.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: So just a few months later, yeah, just.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: A few months later, guys. And when I say a
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: few months later, after twenty twenty, not when she was thirteen.
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: So mister Austin Lee Edwards entered the Virginia State Police
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: Academy on July sixth, twenty twenty one. He graduated in
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: January and was assigned to the Henrico County Office.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: Henriiko.
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: Oh, Henriiko, I'm sorry.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: And the only reason I know that is because I
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: have to drive through Henriko to get to work. It's
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: pretty much between me and Richmond, which in karak Out,
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: and I most assuredly lived here when this was happening.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: Wow, Oh that's weird question. This just popped in this
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: little brain of mine. Is that where Michael Vick was
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: living when he did the dog thing?
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: No?
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: Okay, that was richl.
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: Was ten minutes away from my childhood home.
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: Okay, I knew it was near your home. So that's
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: what made me think, Oh, my god, did he come
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: from the same place? Okay, Henrico, I forgive you now now.
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: He then resigned in October of that year. So, guys,
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: he was employed for nine months with the state. Then
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: he started as a patrol deputy with the Washington County
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: Sheriff's Office on November sixteenth, twenty twenty two. Now, I
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: don't know how it is in Virginia, so please, no
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: one be offensive. But in Texas, state police are more
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: prestigious than county. Yeah, our dps, Guysia, And then you
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: go to the rangers. But so that right to there
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: give any us what, no, why he resigned? No, And
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: we're gonna get.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: To that, Okay, yeah.
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: Okay, we'll get to sure getting ahead of the story here,
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: my bad. Okay, yeah, continue on, Yeah, let's go.
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: So, and I'm going to say the timeline leads me
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: to believe he was interviewing for that new position while
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: still employed, because I looked, you can't resign and then
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: just two weeks later go to work in another county
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: unless you are already interviewing. And I'm gonna just say,
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: as a person who's an HR in recruiting, that I
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: think might explain some of the failures we're gonna learn later.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: So guys, buckle up, Okay, just buckle up, because oh sorry,
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: in the summer of twenty twenty two, the poa that
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: was just on your screen connected with a fifteen year
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: old that lived in California on Instagram. Okay, I'm gonna
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: call her Beth because I just hate saying hey, that
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: girl or that teenager. Now Austin had learned from earlier.
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: He lied, and he told Beth that he was a
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: seventeen year old boy and would be turning eighteen in
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: a few months because he didn't want to wigger out.
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: And guys, this is called catfishing for those of you
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: that have not heard that term, because when I grew up,
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: catfishing means you went fishing for catfish because you wanted
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: them fried and served with hush puppies. So he's twenty
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: eight aha, uh huh, and yeah, thank you. I was
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: getting ready to say that, but okay, now I'm hungry
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: for fried catfish, hushpuppies, and apple pie with ice cream
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: on the side. Okay, anyway, let's get back. So the
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: official definition of catfishing is the process of luring a
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: person into a relationship by a fictional online persona. Okay,
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: and as we had heard, just Justine Austin was twenty
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: eight years old, not seventeen, like he said. So, guys,
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: do some math twenty eight of the fifteen year old, there.
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: Has to be some other people in between his years
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: of twenty to twenty eight. You're absolutely right when you
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: said that earlier yep, and before.
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: Me, and there was shame to come forward, especially after
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: you here what happened? Okay, They started a relationship that
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: she kept secret from her family. They communicated through Instagram,
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: and they called each other using the discord app.
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: Oh and they're fun fact that it happen. Role.
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: This does not happen on the courtyard. The seventeen year
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: old that knew about discard is in a fifty something
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: woman who didn't. I mean, I really need to get
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: with the program. But she lived in Riverside, California, with
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: her grandparents, her mother, and her younger sister. Oh hold on,
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: I just saw a comment you grew up with Hams.
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: JT.
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: Captain says you grew up with Hams Smithfield hands Bill Hams. Okay,
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: I was like, going, what is Ham's? Isn't that y'all? State? Bird?
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: Is ham Ham not a bird? Oh my god, Terry
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: really needs to you're It was in the movie The
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: American President. He didn't know what to send the girl
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: and she was from Virginia or something, so we had
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: a ham sent to her.
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: What are you asking if it's the love language.
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: I'm hey, you send me a ham.
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: Ye, I'll take it. I will swipe right for a ham.
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: I will so with princess today.
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: Yes, eggs too, I know.
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: Just think of all of the parents who died eggs.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: I have to hurt your post that I would have
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: zero eggs. So we should just move on now.
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: Austin love bombed her by sending her jewelry, money, gift cards,
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: and snacks. He used Uber eats indoor dash to send
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: her food. She of course thought this was cool because guys,
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: think back to when you were a teenager. Would it
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: have not been so cool to be dating a boy
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: that you think is two years older or chatting with
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: him and just door dash. You mentioned you want taco
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: Bella and it just shows up at your house.
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if my child ever door dashed at the age.
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: Let me tell you I ran Uber eats for a
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: while and I delivered food to some places where it
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: was kids who were ordering at an odd time of
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: the day and night. And when I would deliver. I
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: would literally just hand and turn around and walk away
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: because there is I'm sorry, it is not safe to
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: do that, so don't do that.
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: As we didn't just leave it on the place whenever
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: I ordered. They even when I'm at a hotel, I
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: haven't left at the door.
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: It wasn't an option at that point. It was pre
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty. There wasn't like a delvid. Yeah, okay, and
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: they don't get that instruction. Those kids aren't thinking about that.
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: So yeah, it was literally they were like opening the door.
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: Was the door dash driver driver.
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: That doesn't check out?
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying, And I think Amiss has a good question.
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: When did you do this suber eats thing we need
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: to do.
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: Nineteen seconds.
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: Like at the beginning of the Uber door dash thing.
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: It was, Yeah, it was while I was a technical
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: writer for another group.
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: Well, if anybody wants to go too bell in door
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: dash it or a bottle of wine steel free.
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not going to turn it down, but
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: don't give them your address, Darry Oh no, I'll give
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: them my peel box. I think this is a big
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: mistake here.
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll give the game.
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: Not blaming this girl, Okay, no, go ahead.
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: Now as adults know, anyone that does that, it's not good.
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: Do you say you leave it on the porch. But
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: it's a weird experience. It could be anyone.
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize you were so ene.
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: My apologies. Hey, I'm learning to read comments. I am
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: improving my skill set. You to now, awesome is like
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: every man. Okay, let me rephrase this. Austin was like
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: men like this. He got very needy. I shouldn't say
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: all men are needy, but he got very needy, of course,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: and guess what he started doing. He started demanding that
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: best send him new photos. Oh shocker, what made Yeah?
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: Now, stop asking girls, women, anybody to send you nutes.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: It's icky.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: Nobody likes it. I don't know who told you we like,
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: We don't like it.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: Stop it just I don't even want double H to
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: send that to me. Guys, and I love him, and
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: I've seen it before and I don't want it.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: I've been with years ago.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: I don't want it.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: I don't want to like and I'm like, no, that's
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: not happening.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a weird transition, but he wants door dash.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: No, I want that's fine, spatt, I do too. I
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: am so hungry. They saw what I had for dinner.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: I had yogurt, so.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: I leftover Japanese have bought you that I'm about to
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: eat after the show's over.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: And so well, Austin, because you know I got this
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: new job, he purchased a home sight unseen in Virginia. Guys,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: he proceeds to black out all the windows with window
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: limousine tint and blacked out curtains. Yikes. The only thing
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: that would be worse is if there was a basement,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: but there's not.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: M h.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: I looked. So Beth listened to her gut, and after
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: Halloween in twenty twenty two, she broke up with him.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: She blocked him on Instagram and discord and I want
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: to say, if she's watching or ever sees this, that
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: was a smart move, girl, Okay, that was a smart move.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: Do however, wish you would have told an adult not
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: shaming you, because I wouldn't have a or age either.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: But now I'm old. So Austin then took some time
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: off from his new job and starting on Wednesday, November
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: twenty third, twenty twenty two. And guys, this was around
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: Thanksgiving guess what Austin decided to do. He decided to
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: take a two day road trip from his home in
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: Virginia to Riverside, California. That's a hell of a long drive.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: How is that? Like, that's over twenty five hundred miles.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: Sure, that's a long way. Okay, that's a long way now.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: Like I said, this was over the Thanksgiving holiday and
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: she celebrated with her family for Thanksgiving. Then on Friday morning,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: Beth went with her mom, Brooke, and her sister. They
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: went for a Starbucks run. I mean, who doesn't, right,
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: I'm all about that. Yeah. Now, Sharon best grandma called Brook,
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: which is best mom, and told her that a detective
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: had come by the house and needed to talk to
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: her about best sending inappropriate pictures to someone. M okay,
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: so and Brooke, she's a much more level headed mom
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: than me because she didn't want to freak anyone out.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: So she told both of her daughters, Hey, Grandma just called.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: We got to do something with the phones. I need
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: you to give me your phones. I need you to
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: give me that little watch that communicates for you, and
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: I need to get Grandma's card to get all this fixed.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: So she didn't do like me and just go from
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: zero to a thousand. What the hell I mean? I
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: would have just flipped out. But so then Brooke took
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: Best's younger sister and dropped her off at her sister's house,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: which would be her aunt, because she didn't want her
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: other daughter to overhear what the detectives had to say. See,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: she was much more clear thinking than me. I'm going
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: to just go out there and say it now. Brooke
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: and Beth then drove to their house where the grandparents were,
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: and the detective was there, so Brooke had Beth stay
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: in the car, okay, because Beth thought they were going
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: to the house so their mom could get her grandmother's
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: card to take to the phone store to get the
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: phones fixed. Because you know, Broke even wanted to find
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: out what was going on before she brought her daughter
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: into it, which, like I said, she was a way
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: level more level headed than me. But Beth stayed in
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: the car while her mom ran in guys. But after
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: a while, Beth was like, what the is going on?
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: What is taken this lady so long? I'm tired of
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: sitting here, And she went in the house to see
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: what was taken so long. And when Beth walked into
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: the house, a man grabbed her and pulled her by
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: her hair all the way into the house and guys.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: Beth at first did not recognize this man, and as
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: she was pulled farther into the house, she saw her mom,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: her grandfather, and her grandmother laying face down on the
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: floor with their hands bound with duct tape and bags
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: over their heads. That I just think about that at fifteen,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: Just think about that. But so Beth freaked out and
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: the man who was that man was wearing a police
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: bag on his belt, pointed to a semi automatic hand
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: gun at her, which she pulled off. He told her
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: to stop screaming and guys, And at that point Beth
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: recognized his voice because remember the teenager had just broken
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: up with him last month. This is Austin Lee Edwards,
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: the guy.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: I hate this guy so much.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: And he used his police stuff to tell the grandmother
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: she's been doing this. Remember she said she never did it.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: He didn't have any photos, but he wanted to hear.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: What were the grandparents to think? I would have thought
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: the same thing. I mean, he's in a police uniform,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: he's got a badge.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: Legit, legit too, not even like bought it at a
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: costume store or some shit like that.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: They literally, if you're not looking for the badges that
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: say Virginia State Police, you don't think to look for that.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: Why would you? It's a policeman in your area. Yeah.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: Uh oh god, I hate this guy so much. Wells
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: it gets worse, Okay, of course it is so. Austin
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: then pulled her with him around the house as he
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: poured gasoline throughout the house and he lit the house
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: on fire. Cool and he then took Beth out to
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: his car and he forced her into the back seat
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: and they took off driving, and Austin told Beth that
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: she needed to say she was his daughter if anyone
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: stops him or ask any questions, and that they are
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: going to Virginia to live together since she no longer
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: had any living family in California and.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: Creepy as blacked out window house.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, guys, what the fuck? You kill her grandparents
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: and her mom and you tell her she's coming to
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: live with you because she has no family anymore.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: Like I said that sentence that he said earlier to
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: the other girl, it's hot.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, Beth had to be scared to death. She
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: just had to be scared to death. Now, Austin had
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: his gun plus an knife that he and it had
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: blood on it because he had used it to slit
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: her family's throats. So a neighbor saw the house on
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: fire and called nine one one, and of course, as
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: they entered the home, the bodies of Brooks, Sharon, and
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: Mark were discovered. Now, the police started talking to the
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: neighbors immediately and found video that showed Austin's vehicle, which
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: they used to get his name and his mobile number. Okay,
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: police pinged Austin's phone and the chase started. Okay. Austin
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: had told Beth that if they were captured, he would
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: kill himself. He also then told her that he was
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: a real police officer and that they needed to do
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: a better job at background checks. True myths that he
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: should not be an officer, guys. Then his car got
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: stuck on some large rocks during the chase, and he
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: begged it. He got stuck and he told Beth to
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: get out of the car, which she did. Austin proceeded
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: to shoot himself like he had told her. Well, police
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: not knowing if Beth was involved or what was going on.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: They proceeded to cuff her and arrest her on the scene.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, wine, I got to skip the water
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: and go to the wine. Question.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: Why do you all think he became a cop?
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: You'd only been a cop at this point for eleven
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: months or elio, I guess he you know, whatever you
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: want to call it.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: He wanted the power, the prestige. People will be scared
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: of you, They're less likely to tell on you.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: There are there's some very interesting parallels between the first
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 3: girl we've heard and his reaction, the self harm.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: The this.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 3: Beth goes to cut it off with him.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: Halloween.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: Here he is a Thanksgiving killing her whole family. The
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: other girl cut it off, and on Super Bowl he's
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: trying to I.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: Mean, you know, if he would have been a cop
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: when the girl were calling Lisa broke up with him,
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: he probably would have filled her address. Because date police,
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: you can get into databases and information. That's true.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 3: Oh I guess I didn't think about like the stock
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: this guy, I.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: Can get in and get your address because I can
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: get into some of those databases you know that I
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: have access to for PI stuff. So cops have much
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: more access. That's all fair points there. That's why Lisa later,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: you know, told the guys on that podcast that she
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: thinks she was lucky to be alive. And then he
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: wasn't a cop at that time.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: I agree anyone who has come into contact with this
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 3: guy online is honestly look at what he was willing to.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 3: That's crazy.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: And now I want JT to tell me how in
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: the hell this shit was possible.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, welcome to Virginia. No, yeah, how do you get hired?
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: That's a million dollar question, right, So, Virginia State Police
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: had background check failures and it was flawed at multiple levels.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: The VSP Virginia State Police, they're hiring process. It involves
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: like an internal background investigation, fingerprinting, a review of records
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: through various databases, also includes a a live detector test,
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: and that's about it. Austin's twenty sixteen psychiatric hospitalization, which
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: we talked about in the beginning, and it involved in
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: being detained under emergency custody order and subject to a
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: temporary detention order, was serious enough to obviously prevent him
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: from legally purchasing or carrying a firearm. Yet, as we know,
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: this history was missed during the hiring process. I suppose
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: he didn't technically buy the firearm, he only carried it.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: So one for two.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 3: I mean it did say to be in possession, I
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 3: have a firearm.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 5: Okay, semantics and the law just saying I'm just saying no,
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 5: I know, I know they said to purchase possess or whatever,
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 5: So just saying yeah.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: So the failure could be traced back in part to
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: an incorrect database entry as well. The vsp'd attempted to
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: check Edward's history through state and federal databases, but the
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: National Instant Criminal Background Check System and NICs failed to
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: show the disqualifying mental health record because of clerical errors
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: made at the local level. Because of this, he wasn't flagged.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: Let me tell you, I had to go find out
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: what the clerical error was, because that's me. When you
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: do those kind of searches. There's letters that you have
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: to put in for classification. So you have to put
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: in if they're a regular applicant. You use this code
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: for if they're not going to carry a gun, if
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: they're going to be like a dispatch person or like
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: what they did for me for the county here. But
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: because he needed to be able to have a firearm.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: They were supposed to put the letter F and they
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: had put I think it was a letter J. It
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: was that that prevented them one letter.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 3: I feel like it all being specifically that is a problem.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: It was a letter, guys, one letter eh. I don't
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: like that tell us because I had to go look
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: it up because I was like, how did this happen?
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: One letter? It shouldn't be that easy. There should be
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: checks and balances. Tell us more things that are going
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: to piss us off. JT.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: Well, there's a lack of psychological screening. There were questions
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: about that, about the depth of the psychological evaluations used
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: by VSP, which they don't really. Basic mental health screenings
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: are kind of required, but they're not nearly comprehensive enough
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: at all to uncover long term issues their surface level.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: At best, they have no follow up, there's no red flags,
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: and it relies way too heavy on self disclosure. Agreed wholeheartedly,
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: so Kareem Geller, who is the spokesperson or for VSP.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: She stated that at no time during the background check
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: done on Edwards was there any indicators of concern, and
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: she also indicated that Edwards did not disclose incidents that
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: would have disqualified him, well, obviously not. However, Jeff Pike,
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: who's a private investigator that worked in law enforcement and
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: had sources in the Virginia State Police, provided polygraph results
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: where the examiner wrote quote the applicants stated in the
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: pretest interview that he had voluntarily checked into a mental
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: health facility in twenty sixteen. I don't know, might want
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: to look into it.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, red flag, red flag, red flag. Make sure it
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: was a voluntary documents.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the voluntary order.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 3: Right, it was voluntary. But also the court was kind
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 3: of involved, right is that what we said early?
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: Okay?
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 3: Yes, okay, okay.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: So we don't know the validity of the document was
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: checked by at least two different news or agencies, one
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: being the LA Times, and they all determined that it
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: was a very valid document from the person within VSP
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: whoever that was that gave it to him. So we
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: don't know if they investigated this further. I mean, what
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: we do know is that Pike said he didn't know
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: of any officer knew hire, anybody that had the type
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: of incident that would be that had that type of incident.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: They wouldn't be hired unless they had some type of pool.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: Austin doesn't strike me as somebody who has any kind
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: of pool with literally anything, but whatever is Yeah, it
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: doesn't matter. So I don't know exactly, you know, how
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: this hap well, I know happened anyway. So if you
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: go further, right, because he not only was with Virginia
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: State Police and Henriko, but then he was with Washington County.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: So Washington County said that they conducted a full background check.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: What the sheriff later admitted that they relied heavily on
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: the Virginia State Police's clearance. He was basically hired at
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: Washington County fully within nine days of his application, and
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: that's far faster than average.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: And that's because he was still employed with the state.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: If he's still employed with the state, he must be okay.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's it's not an assumption you should make.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 3: But I do see how like so many of them
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 3: be like, well, they already did all this stuff, you know.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 3: I guess it's like being like thebi.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: You know, it's a county versus the state right in
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: the state, where the county would assume the state has
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: a much thorough.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: Exactly, I mean that's like if you were going to
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: work to the state and you'd worked for the FBI before, good,
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: I'm not gott me.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 3: Check me, like yeah, they like solid, Like okay.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: Working part time at Sonic has a bigger process like
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: so yeah, they did treat it like a transfer.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: You're right.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: Do the murders. The Virginia State Police launched what they
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: called an internal administrative review, which is you should read
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: as cya of how Edwards was hired, but the investigation
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: was conducted in house with no external oversight, and officials
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: emphasized that policies would be reviewed, but then they provided
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: little detail or commitment to reform. And this also resulted
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: in no formal report, which is why we couldn't find it.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: At least, if you found it, you didn't.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 3: Help convenience conveyance.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: They didn't.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah. No, So there were demands from the public. The
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: media demanded it, and also I'm gonna keep politics out
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: of this. But Governor Glenn Youngkin said quote, once the
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: investigation is complete, there will be full transparency.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: Huh.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: Anyway, they didn't release that formal report. Instead, they issued
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: a brief press uh brief, a brief press statement. Acknowledging
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: the oversight and promising future improvements. Skepticism and outrage abounds
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: from me alone and everybody else.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: Oh no, oh, no, it's I'm uh uh nope, I'm
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. They need to look up what the word
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: transparency means, because obviously they do not own a dictionary.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 3: Oh like the report. Why can't we see the report?
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 3: So transparent? It's been how many years? Two years?
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: I could put it in a request.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 3: No, I don't, we're find it. I don't think. I
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 3: don't think they've released it at all. Yeah, they did
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 3: not matter at all us not finding it.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: I guess what I'm saying.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 3: It's the governor's ship. But thank you, that's what I'm saying.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: I'll say it.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 3: I'm the producer. I'll say what I want.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: You live in Ohio. I mean, I know, here's the deal. Yes,
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: yes he is. I mean he listened. He's a trash dude.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: Anyways, So, in a move that can only be defined
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: as escapegoating, the department pinned the failure on a single
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: background investigator who reportedly missed the hospitalization record due to
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: human error. We now know that's a lie. Well, the
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: human error not, but he was told, this is.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 3: This person working for the Virginia State Police or for
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 3: the county Virginia States place for the Virginia State Police. Okay, okay,
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 3: so one guy person.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: I don't know if we.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 3: Okay, so person, one person at Virginia State Police.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: Anyways, they were quietly removed from background check responsibilities. They also,
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: you know, there was systemic failures, not individual negligence. Right,
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: this is a big issue and that was at play.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: There were policy gaps, poor interagency communication, inadequate training, all
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: of it, and the public and the press backlashed over
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: the lack of transparency. Honestly, I don't remember this, probably
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: because I was so tired of news at that point
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: I just didn't want to deal with it. But the
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: response from them was swift. Journalists, watchdog groups, victims rights
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: advocates condemned the internal review. Many asked for a fully
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: independent investigation, and after it was revealed how easily Edwards
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: obtained weapons and a badge despite the serious mental health
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: red flags, the public obviously outraged. They if that wasn't
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: really kind of fucked enough. The press was denied access
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: to Edward's full personnel file and that included, in particular,
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: a twenty four to twenty seven page section that included
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: round interview, summaries and internal memos.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: That's fineparency, look at it.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well, they cited personnel privacy protections. Critics argued
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: that public safety kind of outweighs that, and he was dead.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: The withheld page mostly yeah, yeah. The withheld pages most
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: likely contained viral vital context on how Edwards was vetted,
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: what was missed, and whether there was any internal concerns
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: that went ignored. It's just a flippin' mess.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 3: And this is what really pisses me off, right, is
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 3: that sometimes when things like this happen in the agencies,
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 3: this is them not taking real accountability for what.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: You're not doing your own oath. They're not exactly we
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: will take accountability.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: You're just.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I did not follow their oath that they took.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: That's why I said that. It's right at the top they.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 3: And I'm so glad that you did their oath at
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 3: the beginning and thing, But like, yeah, why can't just
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 3: be like, listen, we did wrong, We're going to do bad,
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 3: like admit it, instead of being like, oh, it was
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 3: just this one person blah, blah blah, because did they
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 3: then go did they then go and check every single
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 3: person who has been hired.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: To make sure. I'm going to tell you a little
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: bit about that because I found it right before we
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: went on.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 3: I thought I would get off my rant then, but
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 3: I from somebody.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: Okay, So now let me just be up front in state,
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: I do think Virginia is for lovers, but they had
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: the weakest Freedom of Information Act policy compared to some
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: other states.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: Really, Okay, if you love hating, sure lovers it is.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 3: I mean, they do have a boob out on their seals,
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 3: so yeah, they are fine.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: They are all on the flag.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: Records are to be kept private, all personal records. It
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: is not just law enforcement, even.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 3: When you're a public servant. How okay, Okay, continue on
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 3: tell us smater.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: Oh and an applicant self disclosure of power mental health
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: issues is not an automatic decline. Okay. I even checked
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: in Texas it's not either. But there should be additional
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: layers and a deeper dive into the mental health issues
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: they did not.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: You wonder why I always say scividy Ohio. It's because
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: really it's skibbity Virginia, and I'm just trying to stract people. Also,
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: I know skibvity and yeah bad.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong, Ohio, I'm honest. Every state does, yes. Okay, Now,
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: the hiring department did not do proper references of his
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: previous employment or neighbors and personal references. Now, after I
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: read all what they didn't do, I'm going to redo
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: the list of what the rules were then that they
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: were supposed to do. Okay, okay, Also make a rant.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: The portion of Austin's application wasn't even filled in. Shut up.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: He left it blank. The portion that asked if he
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: ever had a weapons permit or if he had had
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: one revoked or was unable to get one blank, just
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: didn't answer it. He also left blank the question where
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: he was asked if he had ever been convicted of
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: a crime or questioned by law enforcement. Left it blank.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: Shut get this Also left blank was this question to
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: whether he had ever acted out in violence to another
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: person physically or verbally, or had a restraining order, protective order,
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: or contact order. Loved to play. Just decided I didn't
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: want to fill it. He didn't lie, didn't lie. But
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, guys, these are part of the police.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is one huge.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 2: Okay, guys, get ready because buckle up because I'm going
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 2: to just tell y'all. Even back when we understaff in
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: company and I staffed people at Blockbuster, it used to
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: be this business and you'd go rent videos and watch
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: videos and games. It was a thing. That's if the
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: applicant because they had to do manual applications. If they
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: did not answer portions of the application, we gave it
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: back to them one time. Here's what you miss You
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: need to fill it out. If they gave it back
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: to us again and still hadn't filled it out, I'm sorry, sir.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: You're an able ma'am. You're unable to complete your application? Bye?
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 3: What are you looking for? Like then to at least
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 3: just say no like that that confirmation? Right?
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: Is that what you're lying? Because then they lie if
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: they don't fill it out, they oh I didn't see it.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: I didn't understand it. They give you all of that.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: So we're talking about a person. We're giving a gun
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: to a gun people, wow, and we're giving them authority
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 2: to make decisions that are life or death decisions. Okay.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: So I got my hands on the Department of State Police.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: The letter that they put out on December thirtieth, twenty
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: twenty two. Okay about I'm not going to read you
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: all of it, but they tell you what their policy
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 2: was at that time, and I'm going to just go
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 2: through the things that they missed. All past employers in
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: reason for leaving employment, you must speak to managers or
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: human resource officers are to be interviewed. Guys. They did
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: not talk to Virginia State Police and get a reference.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: They only checked his lows when he worked at Lowe's
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: Home Improvement. But how is that relevant? Uh huh? Okay? Okay.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: Then also review of applicants social media. Okay, how was
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: he sending links to look at snuff films on chat
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: and messages? And if you didn't go and look for
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: racial or homophobic slur? You know slurs whether they.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 3: Have been able to look in your private messages or
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 3: just what you post, what you post everyone to.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: See most people, if you go through it enough, I can.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 3: Tell you if you're selling racist dms, you are probably
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 3: putting them for us of everybody to see.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: But I was just wondering. They also say that you
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: so then they go through depending on people who are
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: going to have to take an oath okay, since he
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: was going to carry a gun. They also needed to
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: investigation shall be conducted in each community the applicant has lived, worked,
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: or attended schools. You need to talk to their neighbors. Wow,
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: they didn't. They did not. Also, falsification of an application
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 2: with an intent to can see or mislead documented untruthfulness
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: during an applicant process, they are to be automatically disqualified
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: and should not move forward. Should never have even made
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: it to the academy with an application not completed.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 3: I didn't even think. I know, we mentioned him going
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 3: to an academy earlier in graduating. I didn't even think, right,
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 3: I didn't even think about that process, the VSP process,
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 3: this county process. I didn't even factor in the school thing,
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 3: to be honest with you, Gee, so three three levels
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 3: and not a single person.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: So I said, I had so because if they would
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: have talked to the neighbors and stuff, they would have
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: found out more details about the twenty sixteen incident. They
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: were supposed to talk to his father because he lived
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: with him. They never did. Wow. So they failed. Okay
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: in Washington County failed because they just assumed VSP did everything.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 3: Well and the academy failed.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: Well, but that's the state because you can't go to
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: the academy unless you're qualified to become an officer, because
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: they don't want to waste tax resources.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 3: And trust they're one and the same.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: They're one in the same. Okay, I did not know
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: that one in the same. So they all failed. Okay,
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: they failed, and I will say it goes on to
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: say what they are doing different. They go on to
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: say that they audited all officers that had been hired
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: within a certain timeframe. It was several years. They only
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: found this one employee who had not been trained properly
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 2: on the F code, the J code or whatever is
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: what it says in this letter. This is the letter
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: they released saying and we're going to do this better.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 2: They made everybody go through new training. They basically put
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: a band aid and they threw that woman under the bus.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: They didn't do any of that, by the way, Well
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: that can guarantee it.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's smoking mirrors.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: Honestly, Like, let's be I do too, but I just
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: had to. When I got a hold of it, I
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: was like, mm hmmm, that is what you call a
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 2: spin They got a spin doctor.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 3: I very much feel that way about. I'm not saying
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 3: the number it needs to be big or anything like that.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 3: What you're telling one in all of the state of
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 3: Virginia get out of here. Get out of here with
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 3: that yes, training or transparency mind you asked from that governor.
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: You're gonna tell me only one person in the cops
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: like who they hired within that timeframe didn't have a
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: domestic violence charge?
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: Well, and what was the time frame? How long you're
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 2: going to go?
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 3: Ye?
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: This person had only been doing those checks for about
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: three months and they only had one class go through.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: So you've got to stop and think how many people
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 2: go through the academy. I remember the list. You saw
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: the list too. She only did a couple of people,
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: and they got lucky that the other one she ran
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: didn't have a problem because she didn't run it right,
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: she did not put the f in. She got lucky
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 2: that only one slipped through. I'm a little Did they
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: only car is very loud?
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 3: Did you guys hear that?
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: Did I just.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 2: Was getting better?
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 3: No? Did they only check her applications? No?
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: They said they checked. I want to say they said
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: within a three year period, which I would have said,
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 2: go back ten years. But that's just me.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 3: Because I'm assuming if once you're cleared, you don't have
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 3: to redo it again.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 2: Right, So now there is some potential light at the
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 2: end of the tunnel, which I hope is going to
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 2: get Virginia to do a better job. And I'm going
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: to just really hold out hope and I'm going to
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: play the angel advocate that they learned from this and
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 2: that they're going to do something different. JT is shaking
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 2: his head, so I don't know, but.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 3: He's from there, so it's fair.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: It's fair. It's fair. I mean, I will say in
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: Texas Abbott is a pos but he does really care
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: about our law enforcement. Of course it does, so he's
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: got to care for certain people for certain people. But
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 2: the aunt of the abducted team and the guardian of
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 2: our younger sister filed a loss in twenty twenty three
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 2: against the Sheriff's office for Neggel. I came and talking
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 2: now nightlish in diligent, thank you, acquiring shit, and I
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: haven't even drunk a whole glass of wine. I'm seeking
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 2: over one hundred million dollars in damages. This was filed
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: in the US District Court of Central California.
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 3: Wow, that one hundred million dollars.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: Now, guess what. Then in February of twenty twenty four,
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 2: another suit was filed by the estate of the deceased
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 2: family members against Washington County Sheriff's Office Officer Blake ANDUS
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 2: Detective WILLIAMS. Smart because they were in charge of the
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: Czechs and stuff, and against the estate of Austin Lee Edwards.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 2: And they filed in the US District Court of Virginia.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 2: So their suit was for damages, loss of expected income,
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 2: mental health, funeral costs, impunitive damages. That lawsuit is for
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 2: fifty million dollars because both the daughters are still alive,
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 2: and they filed in California because they resigned there right right,
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: But the deceased family members they filed on their behalf.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 2: Now neither one of these could I find trial dates.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: I even looked and Pacer and I couldn't file the
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 2: find the trial dates. Because what's going to be interesting
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 2: is there going to be in the two different US
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 2: district courts. I think it's going to be interesting to
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 2: see what happens because if that was to happen in
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 2: Texas District Court in California, we have a cap on
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 2: how much punitive damages can be and that counts from
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 2: the same incident. So I don't know if Virginia has that.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 2: California does it, so I'm curious as to why they
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 2: filed in different places. I don't think Virginia does.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 3: In Virginia is a cap because Debbi heard it was
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 3: like a couple million dollars. Oh no, now that I remember, right,
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 3: there's something weird. But only one of them's cap the
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 3: other one's not.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 2: But if it's how that goes three hundred and fifty
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 2: thousand for each family member. Okay, still don't get to
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: fifty million. So it's going to be interesting to see
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 2: what happens. I mean because a lot of times you
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 2: throw out those really high numbers knowing you're going to
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 2: settle mm hmm.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 2: But no, but they also went after the county, the state,
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 2: and those two detectives. They went after them personally and
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 2: the department.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: Got it.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 3: So I mean, you're just telling me that Virginia sipolice.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 3: There is no one else, not a single other person.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: That's what they say here.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: Okay, crazy listen, if they sue the county, they're not
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: going to have enough money for their subscription to Facebook,
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: which is where they do all their background checks, so.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 2: Well, they're actually giving it free.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: So listen. There are very I don't understand, like, there
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: are very few police agencies that are advanced enough to
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: do all of their background stuff on bumble.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah agreed, Oh my goodness. So yeah, what do you
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: think Terris and she didn't know? That's a lot.
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 3: There's so much going on with this. There's so many problems.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 3: You know, would he have done this if he was
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 3: still a cop, Like, if he wasn't, if he never
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 3: got the job as a.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 2: Cop, you would have still done something.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 3: Honestly, I do feel like this guy would have done something,
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 3: but this made it even more. Like this had to
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 3: have empowered this guy to feel untouchable to be able
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 3: to do all of that. Do I think this guy
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 3: would have done something else and had more victims? Yeah?
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 3: I think this guy still does have victims.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 2: I think there's more.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 3: There has to be more. There has to be more
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 3: people that he did this too on the internet. This
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 3: guy's disgusting.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 2: Well, and the thing I didn't tell you, and let
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: me tell you how the girl we called Lisa found out. Sure, yeah,
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 2: she was scrolling on her phone and saw that this
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 2: family had been killed and the information, and then she
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 2: saw his picture and she realized that kind of guy
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 2: I was talking to.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 3: You know, I feel awful for who we call Beth
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 3: and her sister Beth. None of this should have happened
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 3: to you, right, it shouldn't have. You are not to blame.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 3: I hope to God you are not blaming yourself for
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 3: what happened to you, because you know, here's the thing. Literally,
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 3: none of us would have thought that, if we were
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 3: in your shoes, that somebody's gonna drive twenty over two
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 3: thousand miles to come and kill your whole family mis persky,
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 3: just to have you like I do not, I don't.
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 2: You're fifteen? How do you even think that?
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 3: And she was smart, Yeah, she was smart enough to
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 3: cut it off. She was, you know, and I give
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 3: her props for that, I think the biggest mistake of all.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 3: And again, I am not victim blaming at all. It
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 3: must be hard was It sounds like she didn't tell
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 3: anyone about this online relationship she was having. And I
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 3: understand that she thinks that she was talking to right,
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 3: Beth and the other one knew.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 2: He was bid with the first one, so she saw
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 2: his stuff, so he she knew he was older. That's
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 2: the lesson was to do voice calls only.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 3: But this guy apparently was vienna creep towards her, giving
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 3: off red flags enough to end it that, you know,
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 3: maybe saying something to her mom. I think the lesson
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 3: in this is that there needs to be better communication
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 3: between If there's anything to learn, there's anything to learn
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 3: from this, it is to have a better communication with
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 3: apparent child. You're online safety right, letting somebody.
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 2: Order door dash for you? Yeah?
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 3: Not great, not great. And again not blaming this. She
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 3: is a little girl, she's fifteen years old. She don't
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 3: know no better. People don't mistake all the time. When
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 3: did COVID happen twenty twenty?
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 2: Okay, so she was getting door dash left on the
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 2: porch because it was twenty twenty one when she was
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 2: getting door dashed. But still don't do it.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 3: But I think that you know a lot of kids
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 3: we see in all different sorts of cases where they're
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 3: things are going on online and they don't tell their
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 3: parents about it because they're afraid they're going to get
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 3: in trouble or shame or or they're going.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 2: To get their access taken away, they're going to take
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 2: their phone away, they're going to let you get on
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 2: social media anymore.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 3: But I just I don't think they quite comprehend the
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 3: predators that are out there because they're everywhere. I mean,
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 3: we're grown ass women and there we are.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah we are. But you know what I mean, like,
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 2: wait a minute, are you identifying as a woman right now?
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's coffee talk, It's fine.
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 3: Yes, listen, did you think me if my kid came
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 3: to me and said, hey, I was talking to this
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 3: person online they were getting crazy?
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 2: Even if he was.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 3: Like, hey I I they told me so many pictures
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 3: and I did, I wouldn't be mad at him.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 2: I would be.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 3: I would be embarrassed for him to a degree that
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 3: he'd have to tell me that, you know, But I
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 3: wouldn't hold him. He doesn't know no better, you know,
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 3: and saying I know. Both both these girls said they
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 3: didn't and that's really awesome. But you know, a lot
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 3: of parents, a lot of kids don't want to tell
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 3: their parents about the things they've been talking about.
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 2: And what do you think, JT?
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 3: I think, so.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 2: What in terms of about your thoughts on this case today.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're closing thoughts. What are your closing thoughts? Chat?
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 3: Because I was just rambling a rambling lama.
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 2: It's so sad.
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 1: I can think of no better a word to describe
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: a lama. That's your rap name. So there are stories
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: that stick with you. This one kind of like punches
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: you right in the face and then it steals your
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: lunch money and then it begs you not to go
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: to HR about it. That was very specific. It's not true.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: I didn't do it. First off. What a creepy, unhinged, unremorseful,
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: abusive prick and unapologetic pedophile. And now that I've got
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: that off my chest, Austin Edwards should have been stopped
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: either by a database, a background check, a psychological screening,
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: or I don't know a single adult who has to
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 1: follow up question. But he wasn't. Because of that, three
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 1: people are dead, young girl's life forever altered, and we're
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: left here asking how someone with the documented psychiatric old
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: and threats of violence still ended up in a uniform.
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 1: And I do I want to be clear mental health crises,
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: mental health issues don't equal criminality. Like I have stuff,
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: I have stuff, I tell shit jokes that should be
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: a crime, but not a criminal me Untreated violence paired
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: with unchecked authority is a recipe for disaster. And what
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: the story shows us, besides the fact that the Freedom
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: of Information Act in Virginia is about as transparent as
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: a brick wall, is that law enforcement hiring processes need
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: to be better, need to be better across the board.
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: They need to be smarter, they need to be more honest,
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: they're less Do you feel stable today? And more? Have
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: you ever tried to bite your father during a Super
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: Bowl party? Because this story is tragic, I mean it is,
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: and it's also infuriated, and somewhere in the middle of
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: anger and heartbreak, we have a chance to demand better
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: for you know, both for Brooks, Sharon Mark, and for
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: everyone and every community that deserves to know the person
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: behind the badge, and they should They should understand that
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: they're there to protect them. They shouldn't have to wonder
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: if they're there to deceive, stock and destroy, so, you know,
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: stay safe. Unfortunately, we've got to stay skeptical. And if
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: you're ever applying to be a cop and you feel
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: the urge to lie about your age to a teenager online,
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 1: which is very specific. Uh, just try actually fishing for
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: catfish instead. Just go catfishing with Terry.
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 2: She knows how these their bottom feeders, all these problem people.
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 2: Thank you great, Now you're welcome. This case is more
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 2: than a tragedy. I mean it, I think is a
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 2: gut punch and it should be a reality check to everyone.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 2: How dangerously deep in the cracks run through this system
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 2: that's supposed to keep us safe. I mean, we are
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 2: hiring people to protect the community. They need the deepest
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 2: of dies mental health, previous issues should not stop them, Okay,
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 2: but it does require you to look into something more
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 2: because when someone with a badge is also a predator, guys,
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 2: it shakes the very foundation of trust that we have
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 2: a law enforcement not a one time predator, not a
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 2: one time I mean it's and I as someone you know,
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 2: you know, we share stories week after week. I wish
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 2: this one kind of felt like an outlier, Okay, but
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: it doesn't, because we have to ask the hard questions
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 2: about slipping through the system. Why weren't red flags called sooner?
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 2: But the biggest thing is why do we own it
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 2: and make sure it never fucking happens again? Anywhere? Every
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 2: state every county should hear about this case. Every single
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 2: one of them should hear about this and think about
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 2: it every time. I mean, it made me stop and think.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm in the middle of hiring someone that
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 2: I went back and double checked the people I was
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 2: interviewing and made double checked again to make sure they
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 2: completed everything. That's how much it freaked me out.
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure some of my volunteers get a bigger
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: background check than he had.
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah to say it, I mean, to be with the
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 2: Community Emergency Response Team, I had to go through a
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 2: full county check just like every other employee. I didn't
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 2: have to do the one with the gun, but they
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 2: still had to check to see if I was eligible
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 2: to have one. Luckily I have a licensed carrying down
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 2: but exactly, But guys, we owe it to the victims,
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 2: we owe it to the families, and this was preventable.
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 2: This was preventable. Do I think he would have done
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 2: something else? Yes, But I think we need to demand accountability,
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 2: better screening, and transparency from all the institutions we rely on.
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 2: And JT. You live there, I'm going to put it
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 2: on you. The real change. It starts with us. I
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 2: think every chance you get, don't run out and do it.
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 2: People need to know about this story in Virginia and
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 2: they need to demand that it be better. And I'm sorry,
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 2: they need to continue demanding to be investigated and release
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 2: what they found because that letter they put out it's nothing. No,
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 2: it's nothing. And if I was that family, I would
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 2: have felt like I was slept in the face. I agree,
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 2: and that's all I gotta say.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 3: I'll add one little note I did when I was
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 3: looking at visuals. Yes, today, I'm not gonna put it
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 3: up because fuck this guy. Sorry, but I think we're
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 3: all at the same place right now that it's fine
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 3: to say that, like this guy is garbage. Okay, but
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 3: in my research and I'm not gonna put it up
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 3: because it probably isn't the right thing to do. But
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 3: I did find his gravestone, okay, and.
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 2: It pissed me off.
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 1: Okay, it made me so angry.
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 3: And it may meet any sledgehammer to it.
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 2: But then I also stop and think of his parents
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 2: for all we know, like if my son was to
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 2: do something like that, I personally would not put a
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 2: headstone like that.
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 3: Oh exactly, yeah, I would not have the headstones are
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 3: gragious it is.
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 2: I would not have, but I also don't want to
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 2: tell someone else they may feel guilty a mass murderer.
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 3: My son is a mass murderer, Okay, and your headstone
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 3: is ridiculous and it's insulting. I'll say it.
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 2: I don't care.
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: I agree larger than most people can afford for their moms.
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 3: Like, don't get me wrong, Like you know, a lot
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 3: of people don't think that the other families on the
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 3: other side like they do.
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel very bad for his family. I don't
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 2: have to that. It was disrespectful for them, in my opinion,
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 2: to put the headstone that they put.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was so pissed when I saw that. I
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 3: was like, I know where it is, and I want
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 3: to take a slushamer tohop. Don't anybody do that. That's
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 3: not appropriate. Don't do That's why I'm not showing that.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 2: It is violence and it is want to not okay
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 2: the position you don't want to have to answer.
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 3: Yes, it's not okay, But I will say I did
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 3: see the grape zone and I was not about it because, yeah,
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 3: everything we've heard tonight, well I didn't even know all
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 3: the things we heard tonight but it was enough that
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 3: I was like, no, this is not okay, not okay. Well,
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 3: thank you guys for that wonderful story tonight. I mean,
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 3: I know it was dark, very.
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 2: Did you just say a wonderful story?
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 3: Now? I just realized that wasn't the right word, ma'am.
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 2: I was already on streams wonderfully dark story.
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 3: How's that wonderfully dark? No, I meant wonderfully in the
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 3: way that you explained what you made to the audience.
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 3: I don't think that a story is wonderful, but I
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 3: think you guys did a very good job of explaining
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 3: what happened and really pulling the whole thing together. It's
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 3: a very disturbing story. I think it's a cautionary tale.
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 2: It is. If you have kids that are still younger
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 2: under the age of nineteen, please talk to you. Yeah.
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 3: No, no, but it's the reality they live in. We
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 3: got to accept that this is the reality.
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, I would be going through my child's phone
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 2: every night after they went to bed. I would be
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 2: checking all of that crap, and I would have some
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 2: kind of program on there to make sure they couldn't
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 2: delete those messages.
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 3: I mean, we know that they can't well, before we
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 3: wrap up this show tonight, let me just do a
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 3: quick little wrap up promo.
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 2: Again. If you guys love.
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 3: True crime and you want to see how the justice
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 3: system actually works in real time, join us tomorrow at
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 3: eight thirty am Easter and on course Kat with Lama,
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 3: where we are watching the retrial Karen read day for it.
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 3: It's going to be a short day, but don't worry.
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 3: We'll do some recaps. If you haven't caught up yet,
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 3: don't worry.
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 2: We got you. We got you.
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 3: It's very exciting. Next Thursday, we are covering wine, wealth
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 3: and murder, The Robert Dahl Horror. I don't know anything
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 3: about this really.
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: So is wild?
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 2: It okay? Is wild?
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 3: I have never heard of this man.
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, it's wild.
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 3: So I'm looking for that. So be here next Thursday,
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 3: nine pm Eastern. The Robert Dahl Horror. Wine Wealth in
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 3: kind of sounds a little bit like our first murder
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 3: mystery party we had in the wine room. But anyway,
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 3: let me continue on real quick one a couple more things,
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 3: so next Sunday, let me speed it up on Sunday.
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 3: This Sunday, April twenty seventh, at nine pm Eastern, we
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 3: are finally doing episode seven of our multi part series
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 3: Sizzyan's Unveiled. We're tying it all together. We're giving you
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 3: updates of where they all in their court hearings. If
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 3: you don't know, okay, if you haven't heard any of this, okay,
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 3: this multi part deep dive, Like, we're at what twenty
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 3: something hours of a deep dive in the story. Suppose
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 3: is the chilling truth behind the Zizian called a radical
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 3: mix of trans vegan rationalists anarchists who have left a
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 3: trail of bodies stretching from coast to coast. It is
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 3: the craziest story any of us have ever heard. It's insane.
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 3: They have murders everywhere, fake dust, blog posts that are
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 3: incomprehensible protests. It's insane.
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 2: Go watch it.
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 3: You can find it under our playlist under Zizian's on
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 3: our YouTube channel. But yes, we'll be here again Sunday
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 3: at nine pm Eastern. Other than that, if you guys
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 3: want to follow us on social media, you can do
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 3: true crime and a Wine Time at Terry True Crime
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 3: at TCWT Media. I think JT is on Blue Sky
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 3: and Twitter TCWT.
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 1: I am on Blue Scray, I am on Twitter. I'm
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 1: on Instagram too.
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Midday Missing will be back next week, but everyone
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 2: needs to know we will not be doing it straight
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 2: up at one o'clock Eastern. We will do it during
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 2: the Karen Reid lunch break. So if Judge BEV decides
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 2: they go to lunch at one fifteen, will pop on
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 2: it one fifteen. So just be a little flexible with us.
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 3: We're still Yeah, Midday Missing is not going anywhere.
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 2: It's not going away. We were till the things are
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 2: pretty on point for so far. That's court.
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 3: That's life court for you. You're at their mercy all of
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 3: the time. It's an example for life. Yes, please don't
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 3: forget to like this video. Subscribe any identification but bells
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 3: so you don't miss when we go live, which is
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 3: at eight thirty in the morning. I will be here
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 3: and you will find me. It'll be great.
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 2: And then not. Let's sign off, gang, Yeah, I as always, guys,
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 2: thank you for joining us, and stay safe. Please stay
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 2: aware of what your littles are doing. Please please please,
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 2: and guys be supportive. Enjoy your one time, please enjoy.
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 3: Your I want to thank you all for being here
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 3: tonight and I will see you all bright and early
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 3: at thirty am. I love it so much. Until then,
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 3: go forth and be amazing. Fingerhearts and couch potatoes and chat.
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 1: Please yeah, thanks everybody. I echo their sentiments please, including
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 1: the couch potato. Please take care of yourselves your friend's family.
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 1: Please take care of your community as well. They need it.
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 1: Don't let anybody doll your sparkle and shine on, Shine
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 1: on you crazy diamonds. By the way, I made it
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 1: to number five.
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 2: Boy, my god, you will not be up in the
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 2: morning for court.
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 1: I drink a lot more beer than I do wine.
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 1: I'm over, Okay. Sign on your crazy diamond Sign on
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 1: by everybody by guys
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 4: M H.