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David Kaplan talks Bears & Cubs offseason, Trent's Picks presented by Circa Sports · The Lunch Rush with Trent Condon

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  All right, hour #2 Mallory Condon, welcome back.
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  We'll take you up until the top of the hour.
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  Just before that, turn things over at that time off the bench,
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  Lucas Strange, Sean rappers, the duo that will take you until 5.
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  Let's get to David Kaplan. Music says it's time for Cappy's
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  Centurion. Stone of Iowa sponsors Cappy
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  Week, Cappy's weekly segment, and he joins us ESPN 1000 and
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  the recap REKAP channel on YouTube.
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  This continues to have massive numbers and grow each and every
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  month. Hello Capper, Trenton Ken,
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  thanks for coming on. How are you?
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  What's up sparkles? How are you, man?
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  Good to talk to you. So Lambeau Field, cold as hell,
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  heck of a football game. I'm anxious to hear your take
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  away on the Bears. Obviously that you working in
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  Chicago, etcetera. I'll just say this from my
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  perspective as a football fan, I would may be more impressed with
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  the Bears. I'm I'm equally impressed with
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  the Packers. Obviously they won and they
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  looked really good, but I wasn't sure if the Bears were ready for
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  that magnitude of game, and Cap had proved to me that they were.
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  Yeah, there was. Well.
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  Gremlins, we'll reconnect with Cap, ask the same question, get
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  his answer on that one because it's true.
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  Look, the the the final play of the game notwithstanding, Caleb
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  Williams had an had a chance. He did have seemingly more
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  running across the field all by himself decided to go in a
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  different direction, but just under threw the ball.
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  The ball was picked off, but the play was there to be made.
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  It wasn't It wasn't made and Green Bay to their credit, they
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  got the job done. So let's get back to Kathy and
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  get his answer to that one. Kathy, just your thoughts on I.
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  Dropped the phone. OK, fire away.
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  So look, I told you the Bears are a legit football team.
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  The environment was amazing. It was super cold, obviously,
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  but the environment was incredible.
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  And I thought the Bears started slow.
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  Then the second-half, they made a couple of adjustments.
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  They also kept, you know, pounding the rock in the middle.
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  They were not worried about running into the line and
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  getting nowhere in the first half because in the second-half
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  they wore them and all of a sudden you see the Bears just
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  starting the road grade, a really good defensive line, and
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  they had every chance at the end.
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  I've watched that final play, I'm telling you probably 50
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  times. Go back one play, third and one
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  and they hand off to the nun guy and he gets stuffed for a no
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  game loss of 1/2 a yard. 55 makes a hell of a play.
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  Well, if you watch that, the left tackle Ozzy Tripillo just
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  doesn't. 55 was shot out of the cannon, made a great play.
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  Ozzy Tripillo just needed to be a click quicker and just knock
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  him off stride. He was never going to be able to
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  engage him because of the angle that the guy was lined up at.
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  And then he doesn't blow up that play.
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  You pick up the first down. It's a totally different game
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  now. It's 4th and 127 seconds.
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  You've got not 2 timeouts. So now you go and you try this
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  play and you know some people, Nash, like Dan Orlovsky, there
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  was 2 predictables. Ben Johnson made a mistake.
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  Dan, love you dearly. You are so sorely mistaken there
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  because if you go back and listen to Xavier McKinney, the
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  safety of the Packers, he said they got us.
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  We were so sold out to the run that play was absolutely open.
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  Caleb was 6/10 of a second. I've timed it out 6/10 of a
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  second late at getting the ball out of his hands because if you
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  won't go back and watch it and you freeze it when the ball's
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  coming off Caleb's fingertips. DJ Moore is not yet open, not
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  coming open. Everyone's like, oh, you should
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  have thrown ADJ. Absolutely not.
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  The ball is already in the throwing motion and DJ Moore's
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  covered and then he comes open and Caleb is a click late.
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  And the kid Nixon made a hell of a play.
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  He's supposed to be covering DJ and he sees Cole Comet go and
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  goes oh God, that's the play from the Eagles game I watched
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  on tape. Bam.
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  He busts his tail to the end zone and the ball's under
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  thrown. Game over.
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  You know, if he would have waited another tick, got it
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  tomorrow, got the first down. I did have a problem with the
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  clock management there. It was down to it would have
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  been what about 25 seconds left? Say they get a first down there,
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  they don't go for the touchdown. They get a first down.
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  Or Caleb has a running late, he gets the first down there.
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  You got 4 plays then. And I don't know if you're going
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  to get 4 plays off or at least unless they're 4 passing plays,
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  4 plays off. I know that you want to run off
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  as much time. You do not want to give Jordan
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  Love and that Green Bay offense anytime on the clock.
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  It felt like though they could have been maybe just a touch
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  quicker there leading up to that 4th down play.
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  Is that is that too much? Maybe arrows pointing that Ben
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  Johnson there in that final drive?
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  Well, first, let me just tell you this.
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  They were never, ever going to go to DJ Moore.
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  He wasn't even an option there. And he gets caught up in the
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  wash and as Caleb is releasing it, just go back, put the play
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  on, freeze it as Caleb's arm is going forward in the throwing
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  motion. That's right at that second when
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  DJ starts to come free. So he was never going to be an
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  option on that play. And if Caleb waits any longer,
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  he's going to get hit by the 2 Green Bay defenders that are
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  surrounding him. And if you watch that, there's
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  zero chance he could have run for it because those two guys
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  would have stopped him a yard short of the first down.
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  So the option was to go to commet.
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  He just had to get it out of his hands more quickly.
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  I did not have in the moment. I'm with you that I thought a
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  little too much time running off here then listening to Ben on
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  Monday, he said we had two choices.
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  Do we get 2 possessions in the last three minutes, provided his
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  defense could stop them and do it that way, or do we just take
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  it all the way down, try to win the game, He said to Jason McKee
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  after. We were likely going for two
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  points anyway to try and win it if they had scored.
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  They didn't and that's why they ran it down, he said.
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  I was very comfortable that we would have been able to make
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  probably get three shots at the end zone with the 20 seconds and
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  two timeouts. So there there's from the head
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  coach. So when I hear that explanation,
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  I got no problem with it. Luther Burden cap, It looks as
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  though, you know, that proverbial light, it's gone on.
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  He's starting to get more accustomed to the to the NFL
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  game. And because of that, it seems
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  like Ben Johnson maybe not going out of his way, but he certainly
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  made him a bigger part of the game plan.
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  Do you see it that way? 100% I think DJ Moore is their
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  number 4 receiver on this team, though.
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  I really believe that. And that's not being critical of
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  DJ Moore. That is simply just telling you
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  the way it is because I think #1 is Roma Doonese and that was a
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  huge loss to not ask him the other day and with a foot
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  injury, hope he can go this week.
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  And then number 2 is Luther Burton and #3 is Colston
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  Loveland and #4 is DJ Moore. That means you got an
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  embarrassment of riches at that position.
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  Super cool. But yeah, can they get more out
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  of DJ? They should get more out of DJ.
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  You're paying them 27 and a half million dollars.
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  Got to get targeted more. But they do have a lot of guys
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  to spread the wealth to. Yesterday we were talking a
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  little bit about the game and I mentioned to Ken the touchdown
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  pass, the first touchdown of the game for the Bears that Caleb
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  Williams threw to Zacchaeus. There was a play in that final
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  drive that he hit Duvernay. These throws, there is a handful
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  of guys that just physically can make the throws that Caleb
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  Williams can make. Now.
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  He's got a lot of work to do. There's inconsistencies.
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  There's still things that need to improve on, but just raw arm
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  talent, he's got to be in the upper percentile.
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  How high on that percentile are you willing to go with Caleb
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  Williams? Because some of those throws, I
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  mean that touchdown, he's off his back foot, a dart to the
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  sideline. Not many guys can make those
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  throws. The throw that he made, I
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  thought the best throw he made was the throw to Zacchaeus for
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  the touchdown. I think it was an insane throw.
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  I I still don't know how their defensive back didn't pick it
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  off, at least batted away. But that had so much heat on it.
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  And then a guy who we've been given a hard time to for not
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  catching the football and having the, you know, several cases of
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  the drops, Zacchaeus, that's a hell of a catch and get his feet
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  down, not juggle it touchdown. But the elder throw that was
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  incredible was the one he dropped in the bucket to call
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  Commet as he got flushed toward the sideline and then lobbed it
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  over the top of the defender. And Commet did a great job to
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  secure it and get the first down That was another incredibly well
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  thrown ball. But then you get open looks,
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  whether it's Swift and a check down, Manung guy and a check
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  down, you got one to lose their burden and you're airmailing
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  some of these guys. He's just got to be better in
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  terms of his accuracy. Cap, Lambeau, as a visiting, a
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  fan of the visiting team, would you recommend?
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  I mean, there's some place you don't want to go, right?
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  You don't want to go to Philadelphia.
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  There's just some places that you would stay away from as a
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  visiting fan in most cases. What about Lambeau Cap?
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  What was the experience like? It's my second time there for
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  Bears Packers. Now you have to understand that
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  I've been on doing this job for a long time in a visible role.
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  So you walk through and you hear your bears suck, you suck.
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  I'm cool with it. Have a good time.
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  It's it's a great rivalry and it's a lot of fun if you go
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  Incognito and just go as a fan and you're not, you know, the
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  Jackass on the radio who just pokes fun at Badger, at the
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  Packer and Badger fans and. Brewers, you just.
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  You know, my wife walking through that, she said this is
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  an amazing experience. Amazing.
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  It's like being at football Wrigley.
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  You're in a neighborhood, you park on people's lawns like it's
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  a spectacularly cool environment.
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  Now it's the Browns. Overlook, let down.
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  I mean, there's so many football.
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  Backers again looming on Saturday night.
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  Quick turn around there's so many just five alarm fire bells
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  that are blinking at this one. Clayton's got a defense and when
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  he got a defense that can scare you.
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  Garrett can change the the dynamic of a game at any moment.
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  What has Ben Johnson said about that let down part I I saw he
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  wasn't willing to talk about playoffs is that we won nine
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  games. We're not going to talk playoffs
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  until we qualify for the playoffs.
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  Feels like a lot down spot and probably maybe one of the more
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  important weeks for Ben Johnson this week getting this team back
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  up. Yeah, I don't believe that
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  that's going to be an issue for them.
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  I do not. The thing that scares me the
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  most is the weather supposed to be.
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  This is according to ABC this morning.
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  ABC 7 is reporting that the wind chill at kickoff could be 25
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  below, so that would go down as one of the two or three coldest
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  games in the history of the Chicago Bears at home.
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  That's scary to me because 25 below wind chill, if you fall
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  behind, obviously there'll be some wind you're going to have
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  to navigate. You've got to deal with Miles
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  Garrett and then you could have a case of the drops.
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  It could be tough to handle footballs like that's how upsets
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  get happening and I'm confident there will not be a let down.
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  The weather, they're both going to have to play in it.
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  You're facing a rookie quarterback, so just take care
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  of business. Find a way to get a victory.
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  That's it. And then the three after that
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  cap home to the Packers on that Saturday night.
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  As we mentioned before, you go to the Niners, that's a Monday
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  night game. I believe it's Monday night game
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  it is. And then the Lions to wrap
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  things up. Obviously, when you look at the
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  four remaining, this is the most likely win available.
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  Not that they can't beat the Packers again or win in San
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  Francisco, which will be tough an alliance who may be out of it
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  at that time. But this is the one they've got
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  to get Cap right. You have to have this one
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  because there is a very, very realistic possibility that there
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  could be an 11 win team in the NFC that gets left out of the
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  playoffs. That can absolutely happen.
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  I mean, what if I told you that the Bears beat Cleveland and
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  then they split San Francisco and the Packers?
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  They won one of those two. What if the Lions get themselves
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  to 11 wins as well? The last game of the season
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  would be a for a win and goal into the playoffs.
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  Lose and you are out. And that would put NBC back on
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  Sunday night at Soldier Field. If that's the case, it would
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  because they want which. Game.
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  That would put the Lions at at the Bears on the final Sunday
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  night of the regular season because they flex a game into
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  that spot if it has playoff ramifications and you're a
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  chance to get the Bears. That San Francisco game is not
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  Monday Night Football. It's not Sunday Night Football.
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  OK, well, Sunday the 28th. Good stuff.
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  Ken started the conversation saying walked away maybe more
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  impressed with the Bears. I was in the same boat, even as
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  a fan. Yes, they lost, but so impressed
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  with the way the second-half win in that environment.
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  Has your perception changed? You said that's not a Super Bowl
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  contender. You've told us that in the past,
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  but maybe if they get in that they can make a run, maybe more
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  than even pull off an upset, win a couple of games come playoff
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  time. Are you willing to get to that
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  point? Did you see enough Sunday to get
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  to that level with this Bears team?
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  I I saw enough the next the last two weeks, the way you just
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  pounded on the Philadelphia Eagles.
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  Absolutely. I believe this team can be a
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  factor in the playoffs. Do I think they can win, can win
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  the Super Bowl? They can.
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  They get in. They got enough talent, enough
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  veterans. Yeah, and a great coach.
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  They can absolutely win the Super Bowl.
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  Do I think they will? I do not.
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  I don't think they're Caleb is polished enough for them to win
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  the Super Bowl. I think that's in his future,
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  but not right now. So I'm not betting them, but
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  they can absolutely make noise if they get in.
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  I think that team will make noise.
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  Now if they find a way to win the division and they're hosting
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  a game, well then you have a chance to make a run here.
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  We'll see what happens. Speaking of making noise, are
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  the Cubs going to make any noise at the Winter meetings?
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  Cap? What are you hearing?
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  Didn't you hear the noise? Today, no.
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  I heard Alonzo to the Orioles. Did they sign the Japanese
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  pitcher? No, it was the squeaking of the
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  coins jingling in Tom Ricketts pocket that he refuses to spend.
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  That's the only noise this team makes.
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  I am so sick and tired of hearing.
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  We got to stay within our budget.
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  We've got to do this, we've got to break even.
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  Come on, man, That thing you just got to game five of the
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  NLDS, you're one step from the Dodgers in the NLCS, and I
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  haven't seen them prioritize winning like Toronto.
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  I'm leaving the Dodgers out of it.
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  They're at a different level. How about the Toronto Blue Jay?
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  They have less revenue and they still find a way to spend big.
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  Yeah, you got a big money owner in the Rogers communicate.
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  What did you say, Trent? They they brought the Trent got
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  these numbers. And I sent them to cap.
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  Now we don't know exactly what revenues mean.
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  And Cappy, you responded back certainly doesn't paint the
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  whole picture, but the Cubs are towards the bottom of this list
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  in terms of revenue brought in, payroll going out.
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  It's not a good look. At minimum it comes from Forbes.
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  It's not, you know, some random guy just making it up on Twitter
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  still cap what he see numbers like that.
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  And it's things that I hear from the fan base all the time.
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  Why are we pinching pennies like we're a mid level team, not a
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  big market team? It's a fair, fair question.
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  Trent sent me that chart, Kenny, and I said the one thing you
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  have to remember is fans don't realize this.
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  I told this to someone in my industry and they're like,
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  really? Yeah, do a little homework,
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  buddy. 48 cents of every dollar that the Cubs take in in
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  baseball related revenue. That does not mean if they have
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  Bruce Springsteen play at Wrigley, they keep that money.
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  But at any baseball related revenue, $0.48 of every dollar
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  goes to Major League Baseball. They have to immediately take
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  basically half their revenue boom that goes into revenue
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  sharing. Then on top of that, I don't
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  think there's another team in America.
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  The White Sox don't own their stadium, so the Illinois Sports
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  Facilities Authority pays their bills.
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  The Sox just have a lease like a tenant.
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  The Cubs own their stadium. They have to pay amusement tax.
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  We're talking millions and millions of dollars to the city
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  of Chicago and state of Illinois.
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  So those, I'm not complaining for them, I'm not crying poor
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  for them. They got all the money in the
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  world to go out and spend and spend big.
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  But that chart does not paint the most accurate presentation
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  of how things are done for the Cubs.
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  That said, it's embarrassing that year after year, Jed has to
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  wait on the market to see what things are.
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  This isn't a Jet thing. This is a franchise decision
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  that comes from ownership. The Japanese picture.
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  How do you say his name? Is that how you say it?
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  Emai. Emai OK, what's the likelihood
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  cap? It seems like the Cubs would be
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  the favorite at this point or no?
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  They're in there. They're absolutely right in
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  there on this kid, and he's really, really good.
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  Is he Yamamoto Like, I don't think he's quite at Yamamoto's
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  level, but I think he's really, really good.
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  He throws a lot harder than Shota Imanaga, but I mean,
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  there's going to be a lot of teams bidding on that guy, a lot
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  of teams. So whether they get him for
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  Amber Valdez, My problem will be if they go out and trade, if you
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  trade Matt Shaw, which I hope they don't, If they trade Matt
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  Shaw, are they developing a really good prospect and then
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  giving him to someone else to reap the the hard work that your
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  development people went through? Or you trading because you don't
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  think he's going to be good enough and you're signing Alex
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  Bregman. I don't know the answer to that.
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  You develop young kids and you refuse to trade Owen Casey, then
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  let him play. But if he's no good then you
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  probably should have moved them. I was surprised because I look
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  at it every couple of weeks, that the Blackhawks are on the
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  periphery of being a playoff team light bulb coming out for
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  Connor Bedard. Oh God, Connor Bedard is one of
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  the top five players in hockey. This guy looks incredible.
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  He's gone to a completely different level.
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  I'm just shocked at how good he looks.
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  So hopefully that continues. Hopefully the Blackhawks are for
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  real because it's been long enough.
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  I'm your river. You won 3 cups in six years,
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  Capra. Good stuff, buddy.
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  Love what? Love what you do for us.
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  Thank you, bud. We'll talk to you in in a week's
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  time. Thank you, Cap.
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  Look forward to it. Love you guys.
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  See you buddy David Kaplan good to talk to you KAPI ESPN 1000.
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  He does mornings over there and his recap channel.
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  He's got a couple of live hits everyday on that on the YouTube
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  channel RE/KA P. That is the, what do you call
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  it, the address for his. That's where you'll find his
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  YouTube channel. You'll find it on YouTube.
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  Yes, you can find it on social media.
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  Over the tips of my skis. Here.
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  Well, that'd be a good retirement thing for you.
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  Do a YouTube channel, yeah. Boom, a little bit of hits.
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  How would I start doing that, Trent?
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  You just get a camera and you just start.
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  Talking. Can you help me do it?
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  Absolutely. What do I do once I sit?
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  Once I hit stop upload and that requires what, a couple of
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  clicks? Of about.
• 20:43
  Gas in my car. I'm yeah, that's a problem.
• 20:45
  I'm out. We'll take a time out, come
• 20:47
  back, cut a couple of things we want to get to when we come
• 20:50
  back. We'll take you until 2:00.
• 20:53
  Trent's plays of the day. How did you do yesterday?
• 20:55
  I mean, the Michigan play was good.
• 20:57
  God, how good is this team? Best team in the country.
• 21:01
  I think they are, aren't they? It's not just the winning
• 21:04
  they're. Clobbering team.
• 21:06
  They're clobbering good teams. Yes, it's the fashion.
• 21:08
  Villanova is going to be, at best, probably a bubble team,
• 21:11
  right? But still, to just toy with them
• 21:14
  to do whatever you want, They're on their own tier right now.
• 21:18
  I think they are. And yes, Iowa State has the best
• 21:21
  win in the country, but they're beating Gonzaga, who he believes
• 21:24
  that a minimum of top ten team I'll.
• 21:26
  Never forget. Well, it's not.
• 21:27
  You have to go back too far. We came in like, I don't know,
• 21:29
  10 days ago and we both thought, Oh my God, these eggs are really
• 21:33
  good. And then we came back the next
• 21:35
  day after they got beat by 30 by Michigan.
• 21:38
  They're a different level. Oh my God, two and two, by the
• 21:40
  way, yesterday. You were two and two.
• 21:42
  Hit UConn, Hit Michigan, lost on the Buckeyes and lost BYU as
• 21:47
  they came roaring back. And I did not want that final
• 21:49
  shot to go in. I wanted OT.
• 21:51
  You needed OT. They had a chance to get BYU
• 21:53
  home in that one. But what a comeback by BYU.
• 21:55
  They're going to be a problem, aren't they?
• 21:57
  They really are, Yes. I mean the Big 12, the Big 12.
• 22:01
  Iowa State's favorite to win the Big 12 as of today.
• 22:04
  They are now. Yes, to win the Big 12, they
• 22:07
  were Houston's. Yes, Houston's the second choice
• 22:10
  at draft games. You know what that was
• 22:12
  yesterday. I'll get, we'll do the update.
• 22:14
  We'll do Big 10 and Big 12 on the other side.
• 22:16
  Miller and Condon, we've got, well, we're here until 2 on the
• 22:19
  Iowa Sports Radio Network. I just passed 1:30 on a
• 22:22
  Wednesday. Miller and Condon welcome back
• 22:24
  Iowa Sports Radio Network flagship from Des Moines sports
• 22:29
  station 106.3 KXNO. Our final segment, Trent's Plays
• 22:35
  of the Day, sponsored by Circus Sports.
• 22:37
  All right, we went to break talking about odds to win the
• 22:40
  Big 10. I got the Big 10, the Big 12 in
• 22:42
  front of me. All right.
• 22:44
  I've also got the overall national championship picture.
• 22:48
  So let's start with alphabetical here.
• 22:51
  Let's go with the Big 12. Iowa State is indeed the
• 22:54
  favorite. They're plus 2:30 to win the Big
• 22:56
  12 Conference, followed by Houston, Arizona plus 320, BYU 5
• 23:02
  1/2 to one. Kansas 7 1/2 to one, then a big
• 23:04
  drop to to Texas Tech, 25 to 1. Houston, by the way, just under
• 23:09
  3 to 1. So Iowa State's favorite as we
• 23:12
  sit here today, the 10th of December to win the Big 12.
• 23:16
  Where's the concern? With Iowa State.
• 23:20
  Why you would poke a hole in them and say they're not a
• 23:23
  regular season contender? I was going to say if Lipsy gets
• 23:27
  hurt but Torre so damn good. Yes.
• 23:30
  Where's the concern? Munchilovich is shooting, as you
• 23:33
  know what off. He's shooting over 50% for 3rd.
• 23:37
  I mean, we've been critical of his lack of doing that.
• 23:40
  We've seen glimpses. Oh, absolutely.
• 23:43
  And we both thought, you know, if this team is going to get to
• 23:45
  where we think that they can be, he needs to do it consistently.
• 23:49
  Well, he's doing it consistently.
• 23:50
  So that's not a hole I can poke. I don't what what what is it
• 23:56
  bench? Yeah.
• 23:58
  Heisey off the bench is unbelievable.
• 24:00
  But Bateman, you've said it all along this this season, they
• 24:03
  need to get him when he's out there, he needs to make his
• 24:06
  shots. Buchanan's been unbelievable.
• 24:10
  Pleta Pleta looks like he's got a future, but.
• 24:15
  Is TJ going to use them when we get into January?
• 24:18
  Because didn't we just go through this a year ago?
• 24:20
  We. Did we both thought that this
• 24:21
  team is a Final four team and I won't fall off my chair about
• 24:25
  I'm about to say it Trent and we said.
• 24:28
  It yes, they. Could win a national
• 24:29
  championship. And then it all fell apart.
• 24:31
  They were 15 and one, they had just clubbed Kansas 15 and one.
• 24:38
  They're five and O and we said yes, Final Four contender.
• 24:42
  This team could not just be a Final Four team.
• 24:44
  They can win it all. And after that they lose 4 or 6
• 24:48
  down the stretch. They lose 3 out of five.
• 24:51
  They get bounced by BYU in the conference tournament and then
• 24:54
  are non competitive against old miss.
• 24:57
  Was it because TJ? They look tired?
• 25:01
  And Lipsy was hurt. But that's something we talk.
• 25:05
  About a lot. He relied on the guys.
• 25:10
  Is it time? Because every Cyclone fan in the
• 25:14
  world would take an Elite 8 appearance I believe over
• 25:18
  regular season title. Yes.
• 25:20
  Who won the regular season 3 years ago, Five years ago, 10
• 25:24
  years ago? Yeah, those moments are great.
• 25:26
  You don't. Remember.
• 25:27
  But what do we think of? We think of how it ends.
• 25:30
  What happens in March, What happens in the NCAA tournament?
• 25:33
  Not even what happens in Kansas City anymore because they've won
• 25:37
  so many. It's about what happens in March
• 25:40
  Madness. And if you gave true syrup to
• 25:43
  every Cyclone fan option a regular season title, bounce to
• 25:47
  the round of 32 or you go 25 and 9.
• 25:52
  You're in the tournament as a four seed, but you're in the
• 25:55
  Elite 8. Every single one of them are
• 25:58
  signing up for that Elite 8. You're right.
• 26:00
  That should because of what historically the program's done
• 26:03
  on top of it. That makes it a little easier,
• 26:05
  but that's what you're looking for.
• 26:07
  And to do that, you need to rely more on that and.
• 26:09
  This team has the capability to do that.
• 26:13
  I think so. I do too to to go into Mackey
• 26:15
  and not just any Purdue team, no a good.
• 26:18
  Producer. Yes, the number one team in the
• 26:19
  country. Preseason Player of the Year and
• 26:22
  Brady Smith, Kaufman, Red and lawyers still there, fired up
• 26:26
  threes still there. They got Clough in there mucking
• 26:28
  it up inside and we talked about the Seven Four dude and
• 26:31
  Jacobson. They got dudes.
• 26:33
  It's Purdue, not a DV, and they took it to them.
• 26:38
  Yep. Not many teams can do that, no.
• 26:41
  No, absolutely not. Let's go to the Big 10.
• 26:43
  Michigan as to the surprise of no one is now the favorite.
• 26:47
  Their odds on they've got to lay $1.35.
• 26:50
  Wow. How about that Purdue, second
• 26:52
  choice, Michigan State, Illinois, Illinois single digit.
• 26:56
  They're they're 9:00 to 1:00. And then it's all double digits.
• 26:59
  Iowa, by the way, to win the Big 10 is 35 to 1.
• 27:02
  So if it's not, Michigan is there.
• 27:04
  I mean, Michigan State 7 to 1 is Tom Izzo.
• 27:07
  You've been talking about UCLA. You like them.
• 27:09
  They're 25 to 1. I don't like them, though, to
• 27:12
  win a regular season, OK, the travel that they're going to
• 27:15
  have to go through that fair. Yep.
• 27:17
  And Mick Cronin will pitch about it because that's what he does.
• 27:19
  He's a Winder and complainer and he drives to be crazy, but
• 27:22
  you're going to get that out of him to win a regular season
• 27:24
  crown. I think the list is 3.
• 27:27
  I think there's only three. And it's the three at the top
• 27:29
  Michigan State, Michigan and Purdue, yes.
• 27:31
  Yeah, I don't see anybody else Illinois inconsistent new pieces
• 27:36
  fitting it together and what do you have to win do to win a
• 27:40
  regular season crown this year in the big 1016 to four I was.
• 27:43
  Going to say. 17 to 3. 17 to 3, the way Michigan's playing.
• 27:48
  You think Illinois is going to do that?
• 27:49
  I don't know. I like Illinois.
• 27:51
  I do too. I think they can make a run.
• 27:54
  I hope so. I got them in 90 to 1.
• 27:55
  Not that deep on the. Net.
• 27:57
  So here's the latest slots to win the championship.
• 28:00
  Michigan is now plus 475, so they've they were before the
• 28:04
  Villanova game yesterday. This time yesterday they were
• 28:07
  plus 650, so they were 6 1/2 to one.
• 28:09
  UConn second choice Duke at 11:00 to 1:00.
• 28:12
  There's Iowa State, fourth choice, 12 to one to win it all.
• 28:15
  Same odds as Purdue. Wow.
• 28:18
  Same odds as Purdue. Where's Iowa?
• 28:20
  They got to be way they're. Going to be a. 100 to 100 to 100
• 28:24
  to one for the Hawks to win it all.
• 28:26
  I haven't made many stupor wagers.
• 28:27
  Than that, yeah, save your money. 28 to 1 though, for the
• 28:31
  Hawkeyes to make the final four. That's not that's better.
• 28:33
  First time in 45 years. All right, let's, let's do this.
• 28:36
  We this came out a couple of those probably a month or so
• 28:39
  ago. We never congratulated the
• 28:40
  nominees. I was sportscaster of the year.
• 28:44
  This is the TV Award. Right, OK.
• 28:47
  And it's, it's a central Iowa ward.
• 28:49
  I mean with a list of nominees with one exception.
• 28:52
  Chelsea Brown. Over in CRG, is she relatively
• 28:57
  new? I think so.
• 28:59
  I'm not 100% positive, OK, obviously not in that market.
• 29:02
  But yeah, I've seen her. She hosts with Scott Dockerman
• 29:04
  on Iowa Live. Oh, that's showing.
• 29:06
  Is that Monday or Tuesday? Early in the week, anyway.
• 29:09
  They, yeah, they host that together.
• 29:11
  So that's I've seen her a couple of times because of that, but
• 29:14
  that's all I know about her work.
• 29:15
  John Walters from the Iowa State Radio Network or Cyclone Radio
• 29:18
  Network, and then three local TV guys, Keith Murphy, who gets
• 29:21
  nominated every year, Scott Reister and Shannon Earhart, who
• 29:25
  was nominated last year and did not win the award.
• 29:28
  Here's the Sports Writer of the Year.
• 29:29
  Sports Writer of the Year in the state of Iowa, OK.
• 29:32
  And there are 1234 does the does it does nothing happened to the
• 29:38
  West of us? Well.
• 29:41
  I mean, what? What am I?
• 29:42
  What? What's out there?
• 29:43
  You have the Sioux City Paper, but I believe that's syndicated
• 29:47
  with the Quad City Times and the Mason City Globe Gazette, the
• 29:50
  Waterloo Courier. So those are all syndicated
• 29:51
  together. So I don't think they have
• 29:54
  anybody dedicated, if you will, Zach James, he'll help us out if
• 29:58
  I got that wrong. But I know at least when I read
• 30:00
  their, when I read the Hawkeye articles, when I'm over there in
• 30:04
  Sioux City, that's the articles that I see though, are from
• 30:07
  usually the Quad City newspaper. Sports Writer of the Year
• 30:10
  nominees Alec Bussey. There's a good one.
• 30:13
  Yeah, he's got my vote. Mine too.
• 30:15
  I don't get a vote. Normally Alec Bussey, Cyclone
• 30:19
  Insider and now Co host of the first quarter with Heather
• 30:23
  Burnside right here on the Iowa Sports Radio Network.
• 30:25
  Ben Hutchins from the Quad City Times.
• 30:28
  He's been nominated. Chad Leistocow, Des Moines
• 30:31
  Register. No surprise.
• 30:33
  Tommy Birch, The Des Moines Register.
• 30:35
  Yes. Travis Hines, Des Moines
• 30:37
  Register and Jeff Johnson from the Cedar Rapids Gazette.
• 30:41
  Like JJ Lot, he's a good man. He's got to be one of the last
• 30:43
  ones over there at that paper, right?
• 30:45
  Sadly, sadly. Yeah, they.
• 30:48
  Yep. Alas, no longer.
• 30:50
  They got a new writer on the Hawkeye beat, do they?
• 30:52
  Who started? Before the football season.
• 30:56
  I think it was right around the beginning.
• 30:57
  OK. Plus going to get a nod in in
• 31:01
  his final go around he. Didn't get nominated.
• 31:03
  Yeah, didn't get a nomination. That's too bad.
• 31:05
  Yeah, I'm with you. Would like to see that.
• 31:07
  Yeah, I'm guessing Chad. I know Tommy's won.
• 31:12
  Won before. I'm guessing Chad has has
• 31:15
  Travis. I'm not sure.
• 31:17
  I'm not sure either. Bussey Hutchins, Jeff Johnson.
• 31:21
  How about Sportscaster of the Year?
• 31:22
  Do you have an opinion who's going to win it?
• 31:24
  If you're Keith, don't you just say?
• 31:26
  How many times has Keith won it right?
• 31:28
  Right I I would think. I think him and his wife
• 31:31
  actually bought a place in North Carolina.
• 31:33
  They're there every June, yes. Yeah, it makes sense.
• 31:36
  Right, rent it out when they're not there.
• 31:38
  So Keith hasn't won it in four years. 2021 was the last time he
• 31:42
  got the nod so feels like he's due.
• 31:44
  Who votes for this? The National Sports Media
• 31:48
  Association. And and how do they know what's
• 31:50
  going on in the state of Iowa? That's my question.
• 31:52
  Or any of the other states? I believe that they.
• 31:55
  Are is it a tape? I think clips are sent in.
• 31:59
  I think that nominates you. How do you usually your station?
• 32:02
  Your station does, yes. So you don't nominate yourself?
• 32:05
  You can. You can, yeah.
• 32:07
  Oh, I hope nobody did. Oh, that's the only reason I got
• 32:09
  my award. Well, because we're also not
• 32:11
  employees. So I mean nobody gives me any
• 32:14
  love so got to do it yourself. You nominated yourself for.
• 32:16
  Well, yeah, I. Did I had a great play by play a
• 32:18
  year ago I got a word for. It Oh, it was a clip.
• 32:21
  Yeah. OK, well, that's different.
• 32:23
  I had a championship game, right.
• 32:24
  That's. I mean, you think you get any
• 32:26
  pub about it? No.
• 32:27
  No. Think anybody talks about it?
• 32:28
  No. No, but.
• 32:29
  If you're not going to help yourself, nobody's going to help
• 32:31
  you, Miller. But see if if now if I found out
• 32:34
  I would RIP them. I know you would because you're
• 32:37
  an angry old man. Well, I am, I mean.
• 32:39
  How much, how much promotion have I gotten my 20 years of
• 32:43
  doing this? Well, I I pat you on the back
• 32:46
  all the. Time didn't you do?
• 32:47
  You're also my Co host. That's true.
• 32:49
  How much else? Not very much, yeah.
• 32:53
  I saw awards went out again for the coaches association in the
• 32:57
  state for baseball, their media award.
• 32:59
  And who won it? I saw our buddy Andy Pollock and
• 33:03
  congratulations to him. And does he do play by play?
• 33:06
  He does for both the Yankee schools.
• 33:08
  I've been doing it for all the central Iowa schools for 15
• 33:10
  years. If you're not going to promote
• 33:12
  yourself, nobody's going to do it.
• 33:13
  I guess so that's how you get that's.
• 33:16
  That's how I did for the the Iowa Broadcaster Play by Play
• 33:19
  Award. Oh, I hope they don't nominate
• 33:21
  themselves. Got to help yourself.
• 33:23
  Yeah, not in this case. I don't know how it works.
• 33:27
  Again, we're we are not employed by the station.
• 33:29
  No, they have nothing. They and if they don't want to
• 33:32
  have anything to do with us, they don't have to.
• 33:34
  They don't want. No, they don't have.
• 33:35
  To no, I know. And you get that from time to
• 33:38
  time, right? And that's OK, that is all
• 33:41
  right. But for me, for what I do and
• 33:44
  for the amount of time that I put into it, it's nice to get a
• 33:47
  pat on the back every once. In a while, you know you had to
• 33:49
  do it yourself. I didn't know that.
• 33:51
  All right, Well, take it. Well, you weren't nominating me.
• 33:54
  Why didn't I do it? I mean, that guy around here
• 33:57
  doesn't even know who we are. That's true.
• 34:00
  That that is true. We're back.
• 34:03
  To you do a great job in high school though.
• 34:05
  Thank you. Yeah, that's another story.
• 34:07
  Miller and Con in Iowa Sports Radio Network I'm Hillary convin
• 34:13
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  Indiana Hoosier fan so did you see after the game Stephen Daly
• 34:25
  their really good defensive end. I think he's AI think, I'm sure
• 34:29
  he's a senior. I mean, he's a hell of a player,
• 34:32
  second nationally in tackles. So he's high fiving the fans
• 34:37
  that had come down into the front row.
• 34:38
  You know, he's running along and he's high faved Hoosier fan and
• 34:41
  he twisted an ankle or something.
• 34:43
  Oh really? And he's out for the year.
• 34:45
  Oh, no, this is Persignetti. His injury is serious.
• 34:49
  He'll probably make him not available for the remainder of
• 34:51
  the season. Untwisted ankle well or torn
• 34:55
  ligaments or broken ankle or ankle sprain or whatever.
• 34:59
  But yeah, he was. And you could actually, I saw
• 35:00
  footage of him doing it, you know, just running on high five
• 35:05
  in the fan base. That would come down.
• 35:06
  Great moment. Just beat Ohio State, won the
• 35:08
  Big 10 championship, you're the number one team in the country.
• 35:12
  And for his college career to end like that, 'cause I think
• 35:15
  it's it for him. Boy, oh boy.
• 35:17
  Brutal, brutal, brutal. Steven Daley I.
• 35:19
  Mean. What a way to go down.
• 35:21
  Terrible, terrible. So you were two and two
• 35:24
  yesterday? So I spent a couple of minutes
• 35:26
  on Cyhawk. Yes, as we wrap things up here,
• 35:28
  the numbers 4/4 and 1/2, there might be a 3 1/2 in the market
• 35:33
  where you can find it out there. What I I think it's a coin flip.
• 35:38
  I really do. I want to see how this young
• 35:41
  Iowa team handles the environment.
• 35:43
  New faces going to be different. Did I see there's still tickets
• 35:47
  available for tonight? Really.
• 35:50
  Somebody sent a tweet to us. I didn't.
• 35:52
  See that? No.
• 35:52
  At Miller and Condon on X and mentioned that still not a sell
• 35:56
  out. I'm not positive about that.
• 35:57
  I haven't seen myself, but would be surprising regardless if
• 36:00
  there's not a jammed house is going to be close to jammed and
• 36:03
  it's going to be loud and it's going to be raucous.
• 36:06
  And then I think it is tempo play with speed, get up and
• 36:11
  down. Make it tough on crooks, make it
• 36:13
  tough on brown. Get them out there and.
• 36:15
  What hawk is that incumbent upon?
• 36:17
  That's stalky and hiding both of them.
• 36:19
  Both of them I think. She needs to have a She's been
• 36:21
  good. Yes, she.
• 36:22
  Has She's all Big 10. Is she at this point?
• 36:25
  Oh yeah, really? I mean, that's the level that
• 36:27
  she's playing at. It's not Audit Crooks numbers,
• 36:29
  but very few are Audie Crooks numbers and then Iowa State do
• 36:34
  the other. Do the secondary players, do
• 36:36
  they knock down shots? They do that, they win.
• 36:38
  Iowa controls the tempo. They'll have a chance going in
• 36:41
  down the stretch. It'll be a fun night.
• 36:43
  Ryan Rococo, how do we say his last name?
• 36:45
  And Rebecca Lobo, That is, as Trent pointed out, the A-Team at
• 36:49
  Hilton for that one tonight. ESPN has the television of that
• 36:52
  16-O clock. Tip off for that.
• 36:55
  Who's got the game tomorrow? Do you know what television?
• 36:58
  What network has FS? One I want to.
• 36:59
  Say FS1. Yeah, I believe that's what it
• 37:02
  is for 7:00 tip off tomorrow night.
• 37:05
  Yes. And at the yeah, FS1 will have
• 37:08
  the broadcast on that one. And let me just flash ahead and
• 37:12
  see if we can find any now. They're still posting.
• 37:14
  They ain't posting anything after tonight's games.
• 37:17
  I was hoping we might get a number for this game before we
• 37:20
  got off the air. There are a couple posted.
• 37:22
  Yes, there. Are you ready?
• 37:23
  I am ready. What did you have it at?
• 37:28
  Ten. I think 10 1/2 Eleven.
• 37:30
  It's 11 1/2. FanDuel and DraftKings both have
• 37:33
  opened it. ESPN bet, which I thought was
• 37:36
  dead. No, it's still around.
• 37:38
  Is it, I think does it come to a close, maybe at the end of the
• 37:41
  year? Maybe they're 13 1/2.
• 37:43
  Eleven and a half for the men's game.
• 37:46
  Iowa State favorite, 11 1/2 at both FanDuel and DraftKings, 13
• 37:50
  1/2 at ESPN. Bet.
• 37:52
  Well, regardless of the number beside, enjoy the game tonight.
• 37:55
  We'll talk about it tomorrow. Trent and I, as well as the
• 37:57
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  where you're going to find us, right?
• 38:14
  Fair to say. It's a great question.
• 38:16
  I don't know the answer. I know we have the e-mail.
• 38:18
  We were sent a map. Yes, I will look at the map
• 38:21
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• 38:23
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• 38:28
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