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“FRIENDS” MATTHEW PERRY OD DEATH IN HOT TUB: Doctor Guilty! · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. The death of Friends at
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  Speaker 1: Superstar Matthew Perry has reverberations that continue up until even now.
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  Speaker 1: The world stunned when Matthew Perry found dead at his
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  Speaker 1: own home. Why an od of ketamine? In the last
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  Speaker 1: Days A stunning guilty plea, I'm Nancy Grace. This is
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: That's right. In the Last Days, A formerly renowned doctor
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  Speaker 1: pleads guilty. A doctor who was the primary target in
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  Speaker 1: the investigation of the od of Matthew Perry pleads guilty
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  Speaker 1: to supplying Perry with ketamine despite knowing the Friends star
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  Speaker 1: was a struggling addict. Doctor Salvador Placinsia, the fourth of
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  Speaker 1: five people charged in Perry's death, pleads guilty. He and another,
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  Speaker 1: a woman who prosecutors say was a major kedemy dealer,
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  Speaker 1: face the most serious charges. After Perry discovered dead in
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  Speaker 1: the hot tub of his la home, Placentsia stands next
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  Speaker 1: to his lawyer in court and says guilty four times
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  Speaker 1: for four different counts in front of Judge Sheryl in
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  Speaker 1: P's garnet in federal court. Placentia forty three was set
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  Speaker 1: to go to trial until the doctor just agreed to
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  Speaker 1: plead guilty. Now this is according to a signed document
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  Speaker 1: we got our mits on that was filed in federal
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  Speaker 1: court in LA. While these charges can carry up to
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  Speaker 1: forty years behind bars, trust me, he's going to be
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  Speaker 1: sentenced to a lot less. How did the whole thing
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  Speaker 1: unfold the same way I like to start every jury trial.
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  Speaker 1: Let me start with the nine to one one call.
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  Speaker 2: Listen twenty three heine on radio.
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  Speaker 3: That's one of the drowning cross between three.
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  Speaker 1: You can't tell a lot, but I learned something significant.
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  Speaker 1: Let's hear that one more time.
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  Speaker 3: Sid betweent three on radio. That's one of the drowning
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  Speaker 3: cross twenty three here.
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  Speaker 1: Now, some of those numbers are universal. Sometimes you hear
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  Speaker 1: numbers across the lease ban or on an ems that
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  Speaker 1: are specific to that region. But what I'm hearing that
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  Speaker 1: really jumps out at me is response to the drowning.
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  Speaker 1: So at the beginning, it was believed that the friends
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  Speaker 1: start died of drowning because that's what was reported to them.
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  Speaker 1: But what do we really know? Take a listen to
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  Speaker 1: our friends at crime online.
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  Speaker 4: The Los Angeles Medical Examiner determined that fifty four year
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  Speaker 4: old Matthew Perry died from the acute effects of ketamine.
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  Speaker 4: Other contributing factors listed were drowning, coronary artery disease, and
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  Speaker 4: the effects of buprenorphine. Buprenorphine is used to treat opioid
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  Speaker 4: use disorder. The manner of death has been ruled an accident.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, see, I'm a trial lawyer, and that is why
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  Speaker 1: the medical examiners and everybody at the crime lab would
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  Speaker 1: go hide under their desk when they saw my beat
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  Speaker 1: up Honda pulling up, because they knew I was going
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  Speaker 1: to go through it line by line literally to make
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  Speaker 1: sense of what they wrote down in their scientific findings.
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  Speaker 1: What acute effects of ketamine. Other contributing factors were, drowning,
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  Speaker 1: coronary artery disease, be prefer blue boo used to treat
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  Speaker 1: opioid disorder, manner of death, accident. There's so much there.
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  Speaker 1: I could do a whole flow chart on that to
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  Speaker 1: try to explain all that to a jury. Luckily we
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  Speaker 1: have experts with us. But first I'm going to go
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  Speaker 1: to a special guest joining us, Miguel Melndez, joining us,
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  Speaker 1: senior writer for E. T. Entertainment tonight, Miguel, what a
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  Speaker 1: pleasure to have you on. Man. This scent shock waves
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  Speaker 1: through not only Hollywood, but across our country. Because I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to follow this up with our shrink Karen Stark.
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  Speaker 1: We think we know Matthew Perry. Why because we've seen
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  Speaker 1: him on the big screen, we've seen him on the
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  Speaker 1: little screen. We follow up in the tabloids. We think
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  Speaker 1: we know him and about his life. We've been following
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  Speaker 1: his struggle with addiction, and a lot of people can
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  Speaker 1: identify with that. If you haven't had that struggle in somebody,
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  Speaker 1: you know, somebody close to you has had that struggle.
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  Speaker 1: So Matthew Perry was kind of like every man that
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  Speaker 1: was struggling with a lot. But to you, Miguel Melendez,
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  Speaker 1: I want to go before I get into Matthew Perry
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  Speaker 1: himself and how it ended up this way, I want
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  Speaker 1: to talk to you about what happened, what surrounded the
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  Speaker 1: discovery of Matthew Perry dead in a hot tub leading
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  Speaker 1: up to that. Tell me about the discovery and what
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  Speaker 1: came out at the time that he was first discovered
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  Speaker 1: dead in hot tub.
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  Speaker 2: Right, So what we know the timeline is that at
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  Speaker 2: eleven am, Matthew has played pickleball. At one thirty seven
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  Speaker 2: pm is when Matthew was last known to be alive
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  Speaker 2: by his personal living assistant to live with him in
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  Speaker 2: the Pacific Polacy Home home.
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  Speaker 1: He was off to.
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  Speaker 2: Run errand at one thirty seven pm, the living assistant
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  Speaker 2: returned home and found Matthew floating face down in the jacuzzi.
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  Speaker 2: The assistant jumped into the pool, moved Matthew into the
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  Speaker 2: sitting position on the steps of the pool, and found
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  Speaker 2: him by the way on the heated side of the pool.
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  Speaker 1: Called nine one one.
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  Speaker 2: Paramedics arrived and they moved and they pulled Matthew out
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  Speaker 2: of the p.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, hold on, Miguel, You're giving me so much information
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  Speaker 1: so quickly. I'm drinking from the fire hydrate, because Miguel,
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  Speaker 1: you know I like to dissect every single sentence, and
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  Speaker 1: I loved everything you just said as far as factually
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  Speaker 1: what I'm learning. Could you say it again, very slowly? Okay?
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  Speaker 1: Did you say the living assistant found him?
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  Speaker 5: Yes?
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Why did Matthew Perry have a live and assistant?
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  Speaker 2: That I can answer you, Nancy, I don't know the
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  Speaker 2: exact circumstances.
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  Speaker 1: Of what led to that.
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  Speaker 2: I do know that the living assistant, based on this report,
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  Speaker 2: is that he administered the the detox on Matthew twice
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  Speaker 2: a day.
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  Speaker 1: That's important. Miguel Melendez, hold on, Miguel, hold the thought.
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  Speaker 1: Guys with me. He's a senior writer for entertainment tonight.
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  Speaker 1: You all know him. Miguel Melndez giving us everything we
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  Speaker 1: need to know to analyze this drug ketamine that claimed
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  Speaker 1: the life of Matthew Perry. Karen el start joining me
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  Speaker 1: Renown TV radio trauma expert at Karenstark dot com. Karen
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  Speaker 1: with a C if you're trying to find her, Karen, So,
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  Speaker 1: is it like a minder you have with AA that.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think they call it a minder. They call
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  Speaker 1: it something else, someone that checks in on you. It's
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  Speaker 1: like your partner, your buddy, that kind of that's who
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  Speaker 1: you call when you have a problem or you're going
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  Speaker 1: to relapse. Is that what you think is happening here?
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  Speaker 1: He had somebody to help him.
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  Speaker 6: It's called a sponsor, and his assistant. She was his sponsor.
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  Speaker 6: She was his minder, as you said, Nancy, So she
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  Speaker 6: was there. She could not stop him from taking something,
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  Speaker 6: but certainly was trying. That was her role to make
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  Speaker 6: sure that he was on the straight and narrow and
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  Speaker 6: sticking to his determination to stop. And he was very
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  Speaker 6: open about it. But he really did want to stop
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  Speaker 6: taking drugs recreationally.
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  Speaker 1: Really did, and he made no secret about it. What
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  Speaker 1: led up to that moment Miguel Melndez is describing. But
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  Speaker 1: first again, Miguel, could you tell me the assistant comes in.
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  Speaker 1: You said he was near the heater end of the
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  Speaker 1: hot tub.
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  Speaker 6: Correct.
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  Speaker 2: So at four pm, the living assistant walks in from
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  Speaker 2: running errands find Matthew Perry floating space down into jacuzi
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  Speaker 2: in the heated end of the pool. The assistant jumped
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  Speaker 2: into the pool, moved Matthew into the sitting position on
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  Speaker 2: the steps.
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  Speaker 5: Of the pool, and called nine one one.
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  Speaker 2: Paramedics soon arrived, pulled Matthew out of the pool onto
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  Speaker 2: the grass, where he was pronounced that at the scene.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I think I had at bass akwors Migham Melendez.
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  Speaker 1: I was saying hot tub because I've read jacuzie. But
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  Speaker 1: was the jacuzzi or the hot tub part of the pool.
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  Speaker 1: Was he in a pool or was he in a
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  Speaker 1: hot tub or chacuzie.
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  Speaker 2: It looked like it was a long pool that has
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  Speaker 2: a jacuzi and if they're not two separate.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that makes perfect sense. Okay, guys, what led up
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  Speaker 1: to this moment? Take a listen to our friend Nicole Parton.
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  Speaker 4: Matthew Perry went to his country club to play a
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  Speaker 4: game of pickleball with friends around eleven am. Perry returned
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  Speaker 4: to his home after the game and was seen by
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  Speaker 4: his assistant, who was leaving the house to run Errand's
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  Speaker 4: at one thirty seven pm. At four o'clock PM, the
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  Speaker 4: assistant returned to the home. Investigator Jennifer Hertzog says the
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  Speaker 4: assistant found Perry floating face down in the heat end
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  Speaker 4: of the pool. The assistant jumped into the pool and
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  Speaker 4: moved him into a sitting position on the steps and
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  Speaker 4: called nine to one one. Paramedics responded, pulled Perry out
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  Speaker 4: of the pool and onto the grass, and pronounced him
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  Speaker 4: dead on the scene at four seventeen PM. His stepfather,
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  Speaker 4: Keith Morrison is listed as the informant, which means the
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  Speaker 4: dateline host is who identified Perry to authorities.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, Smuson is so horrible. On the stepfather
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  Speaker 1: to have to do that after the struggle he Matthew
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  Speaker 1: Perry went through so publicly against substance abuse. Mike McCormick
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  Speaker 1: joining me out of LA owner lead investigator mcm Investigations.
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  Speaker 1: Mike McCormick, thank you for being with us. I'm very
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  Speaker 1: curious Matthew Perry had been so open and public about
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  Speaker 1: his battle with addiction. Who I mean, even I know
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  Speaker 1: about that two thousand miles away, who would be supple
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  Speaker 1: flying him drugs, ketamine and all the other things in
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  Speaker 1: his system.
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  Speaker 5: It was either prescribed to him that Kennedy was prescribed,
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  Speaker 5: or he's getting it off the street. There's only several
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  Speaker 5: ways of doing it. My understanding is that the from
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  Speaker 5: he's a assistant or a past girlfriend miss edwards that
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  Speaker 5: she's been involved with him off and on from about
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  Speaker 5: two thousand and six, and she used to purchase his
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  Speaker 5: drugs off the street for him.
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  Speaker 1: Crime stores with Nancy Grace in the last days a
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  Speaker 1: U turn. Doctor Salvador Pacinsia, the doctor who supplied Matthew
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  Speaker 1: Perry with kennamine, knowing that Perry struggled with addiction, had
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  Speaker 1: insisted on a trial pled not guilty, but then takes
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  Speaker 1: a surprise plea deal. Why is a sweetheart deal in
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  Speaker 1: the works. Of course, he's going to stay on bond
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  Speaker 1: awaiting sentencing that never bodes will What happened to Matthew
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  Speaker 1: Perry and what role in his death did Placensia play.
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  Speaker 7: Federal prosecutors allege that Perry first obtains ketamine from an
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  Speaker 7: unscrupulous doctor, aiming to take advantage of the actor's addiction issues.
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  Speaker 7: Doctor Salvador Placentia teaches Perry's living assistant, Kenneth Ewa Masa,
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  Speaker 7: how to administer the drug and provides ketamine to both
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  Speaker 7: Perry and Ewa Masa at exorbitant prices. When the drugs
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  Speaker 7: become too expensive, Perry and Ewamasa turned to street dealers,
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  Speaker 7: including Jasvin Sogha, dubbed the Ketamine Queen.
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  Speaker 1: What in last hours, a very dear and intimate friend
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  Speaker 1: of Matthew Perry says she doesn't think that ketamine is
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  Speaker 1: the cause of death. Why and what would be the
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  Speaker 1: cause of death and what leads her to say that?
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  Speaker 1: This is what the medical examiner has to say.
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  Speaker 4: The Los Angeles Medical Examiner determined that fifty four year
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  Speaker 4: old Matthew Perry died from the acute effects of ketamine.
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  Speaker 4: Other contributing factors listed were drowning, coronary artery disease, and
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  Speaker 4: the effects of buprenorphine. Buprenorphine is used to treat opioid
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  Speaker 4: use disorder. The manner of death has been ruled an accident.
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  Speaker 1: Joining us an all star panel to make sense of
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  Speaker 1: what we're learning right now, but with me a special guest.
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  Speaker 1: Rowena Chew, activist and former assistant to Harvey Weinstein. His
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  Speaker 1: name tastes like dirt in my mouth. Convicted on multiple rapes,
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  Speaker 1: and she has just written a New York Times guest essay,
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  Speaker 1: I was a celebrity assistant. The power and balance is
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  Speaker 1: very real. Rowen and che thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: I enjoyed your article. I read it several times over
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  Speaker 1: and I try to compare what you're saying in your
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  Speaker 1: situation with Harvey Weinstein. Maye write in Hell two Matthew
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  Speaker 1: Perry's assistant number one. Matthew Perry was not a criminal.
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  Speaker 1: I was not a rapist number one. But you point
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  Speaker 1: out assistants often do things that are, let me just say,
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  Speaker 1: legally and ethically questionable in your case, what does that mean.
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  Speaker 8: In my case, I worked for Harvey for only a
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  Speaker 8: couple of months, and so I didn't have the opportunity
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  Speaker 8: to do things that were ethically and legally immoral. But
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  Speaker 8: I was making the points that the power balance is
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  Speaker 8: so huge assistants don't get the chance to say no.
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  Speaker 1: You also pointed out a quote that compared assistants that
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  Speaker 1: may do illegal acts or unethical acts to the guards
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  Speaker 1: and askewards that they knew what was happening was wrong,
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  Speaker 1: And you make a very subtle yet important distinction, explying
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  Speaker 1: a comparison was really with.
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  Speaker 8: Ordinary folks that lived in Nazi Germany, whether or not
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  Speaker 8: you can hold them accountable for the events that happened
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  Speaker 8: in the country. So I'm really making a point about
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  Speaker 8: bystanders that don't have any real power themselves, and they
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  Speaker 8: are essentially a visible or they don't have an identity
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  Speaker 8: of their own, and they don't have the autonomy to
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  Speaker 8: make decisions, and so I feel that celebrity assistance I
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  Speaker 8: also called them Butler's. I constantly felt that I was invisible,
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  Speaker 8: I had no autonomy. I frequently didn't really have a
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  Speaker 8: name of my own. I would call people up and
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  Speaker 8: say I'm calling from Harvey Weinstein's office, but I wouldn't
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  Speaker 8: mention my own name because I was adding significant. So
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  Speaker 8: when you're in a power balance where you're that insignificant,
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  Speaker 8: I think it is incredibly difficult to be then thrust
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  Speaker 8: into the spotlight and held responsible for something as serious
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  Speaker 8: as somebody's death. I think that I am attempting to
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  Speaker 8: shed light on the fact that Kenneth Iwamasa may have
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  Speaker 8: had absolutely zero choice in a way that the ordinary
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  Speaker 8: person can't understand. He was a living assistant, the power
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  Speaker 8: imbalance would have been enormous.
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  Speaker 1: At the end of your article, I noted that you
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  Speaker 1: stated it is often too easy to turn the butler
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  Speaker 1: into the scapegoat. Do you believe that Matthew Perri's assisted
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  Speaker 1: who injected him with that deadly dose is a scapegut?
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  Speaker 8: I think he may have been put in an incredibly
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  Speaker 8: difficult situation. Not only was his employment on the line,
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  Speaker 8: but likely his involvement in the industry as a whole.
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  Speaker 8: It could have been that he did not have another residence,
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  Speaker 8: and so as a living assistant, you know, really there's
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  Speaker 8: a power back dynamic on many different levels. I also
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  Speaker 8: think in the Weinstein case, at least that there were
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  Speaker 8: many circles of power, enablement, and entitlement that were far
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  Speaker 8: more deserving of perhaps the legal system going after than assistants.
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  Speaker 8: You know, for example, Harvey Weinstein had accountants and board
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  Speaker 8: members that certainly knew of what was happening. So I
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  Speaker 8: think the assistants. I'm merely making the point that the assistants,
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  Speaker 8: I suppose are the lowest rung on the ladder, and
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  Speaker 8: I think to hold them accountable and responsible for the
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  Speaker 8: actions taken by a celebrity, it doesn't take into account
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  Speaker 8: the enormous power difference between a celebrity and his assistant.
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  Speaker 1: A Rowena two is joining US activist former assistant to
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  Speaker 1: Harvey Weinstein, who has just written a guest essay Four
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  Speaker 1: of the Times titled I would say celebrity assistant power
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  Speaker 1: and balance is very real miss to I deeply respect
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  Speaker 1: you and what you have to say and your viewpoint,
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  Speaker 1: and I highly highly disagree with you in your case
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  Speaker 1: or some other assistants, not necessarily Weinstein's other assistants, Comparing
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  Speaker 1: that to what iro Massa did in Perry's case, knowing
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  Speaker 1: that he had had seizures just sixteen days where he
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  Speaker 1: was unable to move or speak after eketymine injection, knowing
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  Speaker 1: that I consider this much much more serious. But I'll
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  Speaker 1: circle back to you missed you in just one moment,
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  Speaker 1: and again I do appreciate what you're saying, but I
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  Speaker 1: find it vastly, vastly different than the case of Matthew
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  Speaker 1: Perry's assistant. Speaking of the facts, Let's go to KILEB. Brantley,
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  Speaker 1: joining us investigative reporter with the Daily Mail, who's been
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  Speaker 1: on this case from the very very beginning. What I
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  Speaker 1: find very interesting right now is that it's all business
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  Speaker 1: as usual. Matthew Perry dies in the hot tub with
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  Speaker 1: a fatal overdose. The doctor you had to put up
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  Speaker 1: like one hundred thousand dollars bond. Really that's ten thousand dollars,
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  Speaker 1: and regular people talk you put up ten percent. He's gone,
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  Speaker 1: he's out. The so called ketamine queen has not been sentenced.
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  Speaker 1: The assistant, Kenneth Ewamasa, has not been sentenced. Why I
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  Speaker 1: think that the Feds. Have you ever seen a cat
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  Speaker 1: with a little mouse, just back and forth and back
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  Speaker 1: and forth until it bites its head off. I think
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  Speaker 1: that's what the FEDS are doing right now. They're playing
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  Speaker 1: toying with the various defendants in order to get them
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  Speaker 1: to talk to name other celebrity doctors and other pill
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  Speaker 1: meals headed by doctors in LA and other celebrities. I
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  Speaker 1: think that's what's happening. But to you, Kiala Brandley Daily Mail,
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  Speaker 1: tell me the latest. We've got the doctor back to work.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of people haven't been sentenced. The other celebrity doctors,
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  Speaker 1: including one that just got shot in the last day
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  Speaker 1: of Celebrity Doctor. He was assassinated in his parking lot.
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  Speaker 1: Following all of the drama surrounding Matthew Perry's death and
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  Speaker 1: what's being uncovered hamid mershow Jay was shot in his
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  Speaker 1: parking lot. He was a celeb doctor focusing on addiction.
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  Speaker 1: But I bet a lot of celebrities and a list
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  Speaker 1: doctors are quaking in their boots right now. Keila, what's happening? Yeah, Nancy.
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  Speaker 9: So what we know so far, at least when it
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  Speaker 9: comes to Matthew Perry is that doctor salvageor Pfensia he
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  Speaker 9: is back practicing. He is forbidden by the Drug Enforcement
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  Speaker 9: Administration the DEA from prescribing controlled substances, turned over his
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  Speaker 9: license that would let him prescribe but he can still
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  Speaker 9: practice medicine under certain conditions that he works at an
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  Speaker 9: urgent care in Malibu, and the only difference now is
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  Speaker 9: that his patients have to sign a written consent form
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  Speaker 9: for treatment that basically acknowledges and discloses that he is
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  Speaker 9: under investigation and lets him know what's going on. But
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  Speaker 9: his patients can still see him. He can still practice.
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  Speaker 9: The only difference is that he cannot provide, you know,
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  Speaker 9: lethal doses of ketamine as he is alleged to have
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  Speaker 9: done to Matthew Perry, and the same goes for doctor
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  Speaker 9: Mark Chavis has also surrendered his DEA license and therefore
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  Speaker 9: cannot subscribe to control substances. However, these men are out
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  Speaker 9: able to practice, able to you know, continue living their
• 21:45
  Speaker 9: daily lives. As you said, doctor Papensia put up one
• 21:48
  Speaker 9: hundred thousand dollars bond and he's out. But they will
• 21:52
  Speaker 9: have to await sentencing and you know, see if they
• 21:54
  Speaker 9: can continue to live their life or a fee space for.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: Music continue to live their lives. Hella Brandley, Daily Mail.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Matthew Perry can't live his life, and he's not the
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: only one. We now have identified two potential suspects but
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: two potential victims other victims of the ketamine queen, both
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: dead but right now to Mike McCormick, owner lead investigator
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: MCM Investigations, former LAPD ever twenty five years. You can
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: find him at MCMM mother c corpus mmotherinvestigations dot com.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: Mike really boohoo. He can't prescribe control substances. That's his punishment.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: He's back and his fancy sports car and his fancy
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: condo and his fancy office to the stars making money
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: handover fist. He can't prescribe dea control substances. I guess not.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: But you know what he can do. He can get
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: another doctor, a straw doctor as it were, as it were,
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: to write those prescriptions for him. Let me think of
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: an example. Okay, psychologists cannot prescribe certain medications, right they can't.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: They work in tandem with a psychiatrist and they get
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: the psychiatrist to write the prescription, see what I mean.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: So he can be doing that. He can have a
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: straw doc actually write the prescriptions. This is such bs.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Why is he not in a jail cell? Perry is
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: dead and you know what everybody's talking about his net
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: worth in fact, his home is being remodeled near the
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: hot tub man that's going right on the market. It's
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: like it never.
• 23:55
  Speaker 10: Happened, exactly exactly. This is a outcome of a link
• 24:02
  Speaker 10: you justice system.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: Joining me Psychoanalyst to the stars, Doctor Bethany Marshall, author
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: of deal Breaker, and you can also see her on
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: peacock and find her a doctor Bethanymarshall dot com dotor Bethanye.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: I want to circle back with you about how this
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: doctor continue treating celebrity patients with the use of a
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: straw doctor. How easy that would be. But we now
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: know this doctor, this doctor knew very well that Matthew
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Perry had actually seized up. In other words, he could
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: not speak or move for an extended period of time
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: to sixteen days before he died. Yet everything was business
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: as usual.
• 24:49
  Speaker 11: Listen details of Harry's last days in a federal indictment
• 24:52
  Speaker 11: reveal it was very clear to doctor Placentia that Perry's
• 24:56
  Speaker 11: ketemine injections were causing a total loss of awareness. The
• 25:00
  Speaker 11: indictment documents three separate occasions where Perry froze up after
• 25:05
  Speaker 11: receiving the medication, with Placentia commenting, let's not do that again.
• 25:10
  Speaker 12: Defendant Placentia knew full well the danger of what he
• 25:14
  Speaker 12: was doing. In fact, on one occasion, he injected mister
• 25:19
  Speaker 12: Perry with ketamine and he saw mister Perry freeze up
• 25:23
  Speaker 12: and his blood pressure spike. Despite that, he left additional
• 25:27
  Speaker 12: vials of ketamine for defendant Iwamasa to administer to mister Perry.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: And he's free. If you or I caused the death
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: of a superstar like Matthew Perry, we would be under
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: the jail. So why is he free and why is
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: it very murky, very unclear as to the status of
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: the other defendants because the FEDS are squeezing them to talk.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: That's why joining me Todd Barr Doctor Todd bar Board
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: certified anatomic clinical forensic pathologist. I'm very curious. Oh yes,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: he's also featured in Thin Places Essays, Essays from in
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Between Dodger, thank you for being with us. I've been
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: researching and investigating what exactly happened to Matthew Perry when
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: he quote froze. That's hardly a medical description, but I've
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: learned that there was apparently a significant spike in his
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: systolic blood blood pressure. What does that mean? High Nancy,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: thank you.
• 26:39
  Speaker 13: So a spike in his systolic blood pressure just means
• 26:42
  Speaker 13: that he is having a hypertensive crisis. His blood pressure
• 26:47
  Speaker 13: is elevated to a point.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Kind of right there, right there, What do you mean
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: hypertensive crisis?
• 26:53
  Speaker 13: That means his blood pressure is at a high level,
• 26:56
  Speaker 13: such a high.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Level that it could cause death.
• 27:00
  Speaker 13: I mean people die from extreme fluctuations in their blood pressure.
• 27:06
  Speaker 13: Blood pressure is supposed to live in an average, in
• 27:08
  Speaker 13: a normal range. If you get too high, it's hypertensive.
• 27:12
  Speaker 13: If you get too low, it's hypotensive. And either of
• 27:16
  Speaker 13: those hyper or hypo can cause death.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: So when he quote froze up, what does that indicate
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: to you? Is that some sort of a stroke or
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: a near stroke? What's a systolic spike in blood pressure?
• 27:30
  Speaker 13: I would say the term froze up to me sounds
• 27:35
  Speaker 13: more like a seizure like activity, like a tonic chlonic
• 27:38
  Speaker 13: seizure where the muscles contract and you get into this.
• 27:45
  Speaker 13: Ketamine is actually known for its anti convulsive properties. It's
• 27:50
  Speaker 13: used to treat seizures, but in high doses it can
• 27:54
  Speaker 13: actually cause seizures. And as we know by the reports
• 27:58
  Speaker 13: that are out there to Perry was administered extremely high
• 28:04
  Speaker 13: doses of this this drug ketamine, which is an anesthetic drug.
• 28:09
  Speaker 13: He was actually found with the levels that were compatible
• 28:16
  Speaker 13: with surgery and that you know, anesthesia that you would
• 28:19
  Speaker 13: need for surgical procedures.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: It reminds me a great deal of Conrad Murray injecting
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: Michael Jackson with propofol, and it took you know, hell
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: and high water to get Conrad Murray charged and convicted.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: But even that conviction was not enough to send sufficient
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: shot waves through the celebrity doctor network in Hollywood. And
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: now Matthew Perry is dead. You know it's Cala Brandtley's
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: joining me, investigative reporter with the Daily Mail. KLA. I
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: understand that the doctor who is now living alive, he's
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: not in jail like everybody else would be connected to
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: a death. He would provide the medication, the ketamine along
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: with Kenemine Queen for the assistant to make at home
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: ketamine injections. Now, I heard what Rowena Chu said that
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: the power balance is way off. But shouldn't you know instinctively,
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: especially after Perry was having seizures just days before, that
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: you should not be injecting ketamine to Matthew Perry at home.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, this assistant needs to be in jail, along
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: with the doctor and the ketamine queen, the street supplier.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: They all need to be in jail and we need
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: to know their sentences. So what's happening, kil, I don't
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: understand what's the hold up?
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 29:57
  Speaker 6: Well?
• 29:58
  Speaker 9: Maybe I also want to break down exactly how much
• 30:01
  Speaker 9: ketymine was distributed to Matthew Perry. The doctors Chavis and
• 30:05
  Speaker 9: Placentia distributed twenty vials of kenemine to Perry for fifty
• 30:10
  Speaker 9: five thousand dollars in cash. That's charging him two thousand
• 30:13
  Speaker 9: dollars for a vial, and that vile cost doctor Chavi
• 30:16
  Speaker 9: is just twelve dollars. So you can imagine how much
• 30:19
  Speaker 9: money they were making off Perry. And that's the point
• 30:22
  Speaker 9: that the prosecutors were making. Now, the kenemy queen Sanga,
• 30:26
  Speaker 9: she sold about fifty vials of the drugs to Perry
• 30:29
  Speaker 9: with Fleming delivering the product that Eric Flemming, the Hollywood producer,
• 30:34
  Speaker 9: and they sold it to him for eleven thousand dollars.
• 30:37
  Speaker 9: So these people were making a lot of money off
• 30:39
  Speaker 9: of Perry's addiction, and they clearly knew as you said
• 30:43
  Speaker 9: he was seizing up, and then you had the person
• 30:45
  Speaker 9: who was injecting him, who was his trusted assistant. So
• 30:49
  Speaker 9: you make a great point that you know these people
• 30:51
  Speaker 9: should be held accountable, and that's exactly what the prosecutors
• 30:54
  Speaker 9: are trying to do.
• 30:56
  Speaker 12: They distributed approximately twenty vials of ketamine to mister Perry
• 31:01
  Speaker 12: in exchange for fifty five thousand dollars in cash. Defendant
• 31:06
  Speaker 12: Placentia saw this as an opportunity to profit off of
• 31:10
  Speaker 12: mister Perry. He wrote in a text message in September
• 31:13
  Speaker 12: twenty twenty three, quote.
• 31:16
  Speaker 14: I wonder how much this moron will pay.
• 31:20
  Speaker 12: He also stated in text messages that he wanted to
• 31:22
  Speaker 12: be mister Perry's sole source of supply. He wrote in
• 31:26
  Speaker 12: a text message that he wanted to be mister Perry's
• 31:29
  Speaker 12: quote go to for drugs.
• 31:32
  Speaker 14: Matthew Perry's assistant allegedly found Perry in similar circumstances two
• 31:39
  Speaker 14: times in the same week of his tragic.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: Death, joining us Rowena Chew, former assistant to Harvey Weinstein,
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: who just wrote a New York Times guest essay, I
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: was a celebrity assistant. The power imbalance is very real.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: You just heard other examples that celebrity assistants have named.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: Do you believe that in this case the assistant is
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: being scapegoated or do you believe he is rightfully being
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: prosecuted as it relates to Matthew Perry's death. I do
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: believe he's being scapegoated.
• 32:13
  Speaker 8: I mean, we just heard about how other players in
• 32:16
  Speaker 8: this system are making insane amounts of money, and I
• 32:20
  Speaker 8: asked you to think about what to see assistants stand
• 32:22
  Speaker 8: again in that equation, what does.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: The money have to do with it? Rowena, Would it
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: make it okay if he was paid more money?
• 32:29
  Speaker 8: Oh no, absolutely not. I'm not saying that anybody was
• 32:32
  Speaker 8: doing anything right. However, there's a big difference between the
• 32:35
  Speaker 8: amounts of money the doctors and the drug dealers were
• 32:38
  Speaker 8: making and what did the assistants stand to gain. I
• 32:40
  Speaker 8: believe the assistant was just trying to survive. He wasn't
• 32:43
  Speaker 8: making staggering amounts of money, and so therefore his incentive
• 32:46
  Speaker 8: to do what he did was very different from the
• 32:49
  Speaker 8: doctors and the drug dealers. He wasn't out there trying
• 32:51
  Speaker 8: to get something for himself. He was merely trying to
• 32:54
  Speaker 8: survive his job. There's a big difference.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: In that, so you believe the difference and whether he
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: should be held criminally culpable is whether he was getting
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: paid for shooting Matthew Perry up to his death.
• 33:07
  Speaker 8: I don't think that there's a huge incentive for him
• 33:11
  Speaker 8: to push this agenda, and therefore I don't believe that
• 33:14
  Speaker 8: he was pushing the agenda. He was merely doing what
• 33:17
  Speaker 8: he was told to do under incredibly strenuous circumstances. So
• 33:22
  Speaker 8: I'm merely saying that as a point of coercion, the
• 33:25
  Speaker 8: assistant is not really this person who should be staygoated.
• 33:29
  Speaker 6: That there are.
• 33:29
  Speaker 8: Layers of privilege and abuse of power that are far
• 33:32
  Speaker 8: greater than that. And you know, we can easily point
• 33:35
  Speaker 8: to doctors and drug dealers who were making vast amounts
• 33:38
  Speaker 8: of money and had a huge incentive to push this
• 33:41
  Speaker 8: kind of an agenda.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: And are actually still making vast amounts of money. Mike
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: McCormick joining me, lead investigator of MCM investigations in Hollywood.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Mike McCormick, Oh, respect for Rowen and Chew, but I
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: think that's complete BS. I don't agree at all. Everybody
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: in Hollywood is making money off Slayer. Celebs are making
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: money off the studios. The studios are making money off
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: us and advertisers. That's how it works in Hollywood. It's
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: like one bloodsucker sucking on the next bloodsucker, just like ticks,
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: you know, stuck to the animal. But Mike McCormick, why
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: aren't they in jail number one? And what do you
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: make of what Rowena is saying that the assistant is
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: the scapegoat. I think they should all be put in
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: the same pot to boil and all be tried together
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: as it relates to Perry's death.
• 34:39
  Speaker 10: Well, I don't think the assistant is being scapegoated. I
• 34:42
  Speaker 10: just think he was being more loyal, just doing what
• 34:50
  Speaker 10: the boss wanted him to do. It had nothing to
• 34:53
  Speaker 10: do with money, was job security and loyalty.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Okay, hold on to some moment, doctor Bethany. Maybe I'm
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: not articulating my point that, well, the assistant lives in
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: a mansion, he makes plenty of money, he rubs elbows
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: with all of the stars, a drives a beautiful luxury car.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Maybe I'm not understanding his poor conditions. I don't see it, Nancy.
• 35:19
  Speaker 15: I have a unique perspective on this because these assistants
• 35:22
  Speaker 15: sometimes come to my office. One in particular was the
• 35:25
  Speaker 15: major domo for one of the wealthiest men in the
• 35:27
  Speaker 15: world and had to stand around serving palomas to the
• 35:32
  Speaker 15: family all day long alcoholic beverages, and he became so
• 35:37
  Speaker 15: disgusted because one of the family members was drunk all
• 35:40
  Speaker 15: day long.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: He was traumatized.
• 35:42
  Speaker 15: He came to therapy and said, I just cannot do
• 35:45
  Speaker 15: this anymore, and he left the job. So, yes, these
• 35:49
  Speaker 15: assistants are vulnerable in the sense that they often do
• 35:54
  Speaker 15: things they don't want to do, but they do have
• 35:56
  Speaker 15: agency in the world. And I think in particular, when
• 35:59
  Speaker 15: you are potentially committing homicide, that's a breach of duty,
• 36:06
  Speaker 15: that's lack of judgment that a ten year old knows
• 36:10
  Speaker 15: not to do.
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 36:11
  Speaker 15: We just know basically, you don't kill somebody if you
• 36:15
  Speaker 15: administer a drug they sees you don't administer the drug. Again,
• 36:20
  Speaker 15: I mean, I'm sorry, but this assistant could have gone
• 36:23
  Speaker 15: and worked at a bar would probably I would prefer
• 36:27
  Speaker 15: to scrub floors then to inject somebody with a substance
• 36:32
  Speaker 15: that could kill them. It is just common sense. Of course,
• 36:35
  Speaker 15: there's a power imbalance. Of course, there's a power in
• 36:38
  Speaker 15: balance in life for all of.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: Us exactly, you know, Caleb Brantley, I want to follow
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: up on what doctor Bethany is saying. Caleb Brantley joining
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: us from Daily Mail call. And we understand that Matthew
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: Perry's mansion is being renovated, especially around the hot of
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: the pool area where he died. Seems as if for Hollywood,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: including the prosecutors, it's just business as usual. The doctor
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: is back and his clinic treating patients and making a
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: ton of money. There are no sentences on the people
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: that have agreed to plead guilty. It just seems as
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: if everyone's acting as though nothing happened. Matthew Perry is dead.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: These people, according to the FEDS, are responsible. Why aren't
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: they behind bars Killa And what if anything can you
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: tell me about when these people are going to jail?
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: And one other question. Apparently one of Perry's intimate friends
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: states that he Perry was deathly afraid of needles and
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: she is questioning the real cood Killa Listen.
• 37:57
  Speaker 7: One of Perry's former assistants and ex girlfriend, Edwards, says
• 38:00
  Speaker 7: she does not believe Perry could have possibly been taking ketamine.
• 38:04
  Speaker 7: Edwards describes Perry's intense fear of needles, saying he wouldn't
• 38:07
  Speaker 7: even consider a tattoo due to the phobia. Edwards was
• 38:10
  Speaker 7: no stranger to Perry's addiction and told him he would
• 38:13
  Speaker 7: die in an argument over his drug use. Perry's response quote,
• 38:16
  Speaker 7: you only die when you use needles, and I would
• 38:19
  Speaker 7: never ever do that.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: Caleb Brantley, what about it? This person an intimate friend
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: of Perry's, raising the specter of another cood cause of death.
• 38:28
  Speaker 9: I understand that, Nancy, But it was Katie Edwards. She
• 38:32
  Speaker 9: dated him back in two thousand and six, worked as
• 38:35
  Speaker 9: an assistant until like twenty eleven, so while they were
• 38:38
  Speaker 9: still friends, they hadn't dated in a while. And I
• 38:41
  Speaker 9: understand that she said that he had a fear of this.
• 38:44
  Speaker 9: But Matthew Perry himself had written in his book about
• 38:48
  Speaker 9: these ketamine infusions that he was taking and how it
• 38:51
  Speaker 9: felt and how it was helping him. So I personally
• 38:54
  Speaker 9: am not so sure of that theory. And you do
• 38:58
  Speaker 9: have his assistant and everyone and basically admitting to injecting him,
• 39:03
  Speaker 9: And back to your point of why aren't these people
• 39:07
  Speaker 9: you know behind bars and what's going on? I think
• 39:09
  Speaker 9: right now it's just a waiting game. We have had
• 39:12
  Speaker 9: clee deals which have gotten us more information from the assistant,
• 39:15
  Speaker 9: from the friend, from one of the doctors, so I
• 39:18
  Speaker 9: think we will be seeing more in due time. There
• 39:21
  Speaker 9: will be a sentence. They will end up safing the
• 39:24
  Speaker 9: consequences of their actions.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: Crime stores with Nancy Grace. Now, in a statement, Placinsia's
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: lawyer reads out, doctor Placentsia is profoundly remorseful for the
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: treatment decisions he made while providing Kennymine to Matthew Perry. Well,
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: he can't even say I'm sorry himself. Placisia is playing
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: guilty to drug distribution and we'll surrender his medical license.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: I know that much. I wonder what the sentence will be.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: I know that in exchange for guilty, please, prosecutors have
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: agreed to drop three additional accounts of distribution and two
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: counts of falsifying records. Hmmm, what more do we know
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: about his role in the Friends Star's death?
• 40:25
  Speaker 14: Did the drug dealer dub the ketamine queen refer to
• 40:29
  Speaker 14: Matthew Perry by his friend's character name, and.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: That would be his affinity Matthew Perry's afinity with Batman,
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: and he would call himself Matman, but according to sources,
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: the so called ketamine Queen Jasvine Songhai referred to him
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: as Chandler in their texts and emails when they would
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: talk about drugs and drug deliveries code named Chandler. Wow,
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: that was a toughie. Apparently, celebrities and celebrity doctors alike
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: across Hollywood are quaking in their boots, afraid that the
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: so called ketamine Queen is going to rat them out
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: in exchange for a sweetheart deal from the fees. The
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: so called Kenemine Queen, the one that supplied Matthew Perry
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: with the deadly dose of ketamine that ended in his death.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: Are there other victims? Yes, listen.
• 41:34
  Speaker 11: Jazzvien Songha sells Cody mclowery several vials of ketamine. Later
• 41:39
  Speaker 11: that same day, mclowry's family finds him dead. A family
• 41:42
  Speaker 11: member tells Sogha her ketamine cos Mclowry's overdose death, and
• 41:46
  Speaker 11: Songha googles can ketamine be listed as a cause of death.
• 41:51
  Speaker 7: Eric Fleming, who reportedly acted as a program director at
• 41:54
  Speaker 7: the bel Air rehab Red Door, also had a resident
• 41:57
  Speaker 7: die on his watch. William Cooney, thirty six, was dead
• 42:00
  Speaker 7: of a fental overdose in his bathroom at the facility.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: So those are two alleged victims. Two more victims of
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: the Ketemine Queen. That makes three if those two victims
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: are to be believed. In fact, Cody's family is speaking
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: out against the Ketemine Queen. And is she talking? Is
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: she making a deal with the fedes to get a
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: light sentence in exchange for ratting out other slips and
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: other doctors? Man, she needs a lot of money to
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: support this lifestyle. So what is the connection between the
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: Ketemine Queen and the other alleged victims? All dead?
• 42:43
  Speaker 16: Coming to light are broke Mueller's deep ties to suspects
• 42:46
  Speaker 16: Fleming and Soanha. Mueller spent time with Sanghai in one
• 42:49
  Speaker 16: of her many rehabs Dens, and Fleming is reportedly a
• 42:52
  Speaker 16: godfather to one of Mueller's children. Mueller reportedly pressured then
• 42:55
  Speaker 16: boyfriend William Cooney to join her at Powl Fleming's rehab
• 42:59
  Speaker 16: program where Kune the overdosed and died. Mueller may well
• 43:02
  Speaker 16: have introduced Fleming and Songhaw to Perry as shortcuts to
• 43:06
  Speaker 16: feed his addiction. Federal prosecutors report that Mueller is cooperating
• 43:10
  Speaker 16: with the investigation and is not facing any charges.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: Let me understand Caleb Brantley joining us from dailymail dot com.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: The so called Kennymine queen Songha meets up with who
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: in rehab and let me see is Brittan Mueller, who
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: apparently was very close to Matthew Perry. Now how does
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: that connect into Songhaw the dealer.
• 43:34
  Speaker 9: Well, all roads are kind of leading back to Jasine Songha,
• 43:37
  Speaker 9: the Kennymine Queen. She was a supplier of multiple people.
• 43:41
  Speaker 9: And now we do find this connection between Brooke Mueller,
• 43:45
  Speaker 9: who spent time with Matthew Perry in rehab. They were
• 43:49
  Speaker 9: close friends. And then we have Eric Flemming, who was
• 43:54
  Speaker 9: a director at the rehab center where this man William
• 43:57
  Speaker 9: Cooney had passed away. So it's all there is a
• 44:00
  Speaker 9: circular connection of going back to Sangha and I'm not
• 44:06
  Speaker 9: have been on the radar for a while. Back in
• 44:09
  Speaker 9: March twenty twenty four, the Fed rated her house and
• 44:12
  Speaker 9: they called it a drug imporium. These seventy nine bottles
• 44:16
  Speaker 9: that some had tested positive for keettymine. So this is
• 44:19
  Speaker 9: no surprise that Jasinfanga is involved in this Matthew Perry case.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: Now two more alleged victims of this woman living the
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: high life that supplied the deadly dose to Matthew Perry.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: Now would he be her third victim? Why has it
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: taken that to bring her to justice? Are those investigations
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: ongoing now? This, by far, is not the first time
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: a celebrity has died with enablers circling them like vultures. Listen,
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: I've heard.
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  Speaker 4: How you doing.
• 44:57
  Speaker 14: It's a security from Burly Hilton.
• 44:58
  Speaker 7: Hi, what going on?
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: I need the paramedic only. I got a forty thic
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: yur old female I found in the bathroom, but a
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: fellow guy right now.
• 45:03
  Speaker 12: But they're requesting paramedica now, Okay, fello about them.
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: I love Ry mccannal.
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: I'm not sure if you fellow if he was in
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: the bathroom.
• 45:08
  Speaker 9: With the water four four four three four.
• 45:11
  Speaker 6: I'm sorry for the room four three fourth yet, Okay,
• 45:13
  Speaker 6: they're not you fought for anything else?
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: There's room four three four thirty four.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, you don't know see a.
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: Country of bathing at all.
• 45:19
  Speaker 14: Apparently she wasn't breathing and she's toy sex curled.
• 45:22
  Speaker 9: He was not breathing.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: Whinney Houston surrendered by enablers. Ultimately it cost her her life.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: Then there is John Belushi, one of the greatest comedians
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: that ever lived. He was shot up with drugs at
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: the Chateau Marmont and his assistant did hard jail time
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: after shooting him up. Bobby Christina Whitney's daughter od. He
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: goes on and on and on. Of course, Michael Jackson,
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: Aaron Carter, Chris Farley went to rehab sixteen times. His
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: younger brother finds him dead in his apartment. Of course,
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: Prince died a deadly opioid injection. Goes all the way
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: back to Elvis, China, Amy Winehouse and a Nicole spiraled
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: down a drug hole while everyone supported that and enabled her.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: Kurt Cobain, River Phoenix. It goes on and on, and
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: the enablers are never brought to justice. Straight out to
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: Mike McCormick, mcm investigations. Don't you know, the catamine Queen
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: and all of them. They're like rats on a sinking ship,
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: are ready to deal, ready to name names, addresses, phone numbers,
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: little black books to save their own skin. You don't
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: think they're talking to the FEDS right now? Oh?
• 46:57
  Speaker 10: Absolutely, yeah, they're gonna tell them everything they want to
• 47:01
  Speaker 10: know to stay out to jail.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: To Todd Barr joining us doctor Barr, Board certified and
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: atomic clinical forensic pathologist, Doctor Barr, what do you notice
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: about the death certificate?
• 47:13
  Speaker 13: So, Nancy, I have a lot of real issues with
• 47:17
  Speaker 13: the way this case was decided. As a forensic expert,
• 47:23
  Speaker 13: I have been involved in prosecutions of crimes that involved
• 47:26
  Speaker 13: other people distributing or administering drugs to a victim. The
• 47:33
  Speaker 13: very definition of a homicide is death at the hands
• 47:36
  Speaker 13: of another period, whether it's by omission or comission. In
• 47:41
  Speaker 13: this case comission. They brought in drugs, they injected them
• 47:46
  Speaker 13: into Matthew Perry's body. They should be charged with a homicide.
• 47:51
  Speaker 13: They should be charged with murder straight up everyone that's involved. Now,
• 47:55
  Speaker 13: the second part of this is the official cause of
• 47:58
  Speaker 13: death was listed as the acute effects of ketamine, and
• 48:02
  Speaker 13: then other conditions or contributing conditions included drowning. Now, there
• 48:07
  Speaker 13: are certain stigmata of drowning that you see at autopsy.
• 48:12
  Speaker 13: If those are present, then a drowning occurred. So Matthew
• 48:15
  Speaker 13: Perry's death is literally because of drowning. But then there's
• 48:20
  Speaker 13: a part B or drowning due to the intoxicating effects
• 48:28
  Speaker 13: of ketamine. So he was so dissociative and esthetized that
• 48:32
  Speaker 13: he slipped under the water. If they're going to list
• 48:34
  Speaker 13: drowning as a contributing factor, then that means they had
• 48:38
  Speaker 13: evidence that he drowned.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: So it should have been listed as a drowning.
• 48:41
  Speaker 13: Number one due to the effects of ketamine, and the
• 48:45
  Speaker 13: manner of death should have been listed as homicide. So
• 48:48
  Speaker 13: I have a very strong opinion about the way this
• 48:51
  Speaker 13: death certificate was worded, and I believe that sometimes when
• 48:55
  Speaker 13: it's worded this way, defendants get off a lot easier.
• 49:00
  Speaker 13: I don't know if in LA they have something going
• 49:02
  Speaker 13: where they were these death certificates in a way so
• 49:06
  Speaker 13: people get off a little easier.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: But that's my take too. Rowen and she joining us
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: former assistant to Harvey Weinstein now activists, who has just
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: written a New York Times guest essay called I was
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: a celebrity assistant. The power and balance is a very
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: real thought to you, Rowena, what do you make of
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: it all?
• 49:24
  Speaker 8: I think there are levels of power that we could
• 49:26
  Speaker 8: go after that are much more intense than that of
• 49:28
  Speaker 8: the assistant. I think the assistant, being the lowest run
• 49:31
  Speaker 8: on the ladder, probably is the last person that anyone
• 49:33
  Speaker 8: should go after because he has read his little autonomy.
• 49:37
  Speaker 8: I'm not saying that no one should be held accountable.
• 49:39
  Speaker 8: I'm saying that there are levels of power above him
• 49:42
  Speaker 8: that should be accountable before he is.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: Doctor Salvadora Placinsia has been free on bond since his
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: arrest all the way back in August, and he will
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: remain free until his centising on December three. So what's
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: there to complain about. It has been said he is
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: not a flight risk. I don't know about that, but
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: I do know he was well aware Matthew Perry was
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: using ketamine, that he was an addict, yet he steal
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: handed it over hand, over fist. Of course. The doctor
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: leaves the courthouse surrounded by lawyers without speaking to anyone
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: gathered outside.
• 50:25
  Speaker 15: Now.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: According to reports, Placentsia in a text message, called Matthew
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: Perry a quote moron who he Placentsia could exploit for money.
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: That's the doctor. We wait as justice unfold. Nancy Grace
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: signing off, goodbye friend,