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Ep. 1093: Curt Linville - Adventures for Everyone · Adventure Sports Podcast

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hi friends, welcome again to the Adventure Sports podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Today's shows a little different.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have some announcements to make, some questions to ask, and some hacks to share.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I am doing this solo without a guest.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now that's not because we don't have enough guests.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have so many guests lined up right now for the Adventure Sports podcast, something for which we're very thankful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And very excited because we have so much great content headed your way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I needed an episode just to kind of shake the tree a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I thought that I would do a solo episode.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the main focus of this episode is going to be about how to start in an adventure sport.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought about entitling it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Adventures for everyone getting started something like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not going to cover every adventure sport.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But
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[SPEAKER_00]: In our modern world, more and more and more gear has been developed to a higher and finer and finer quality just precisely
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[SPEAKER_00]: engineered to be the best it could possibly be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm afraid that some of this gear represents a barrier to entry for people that want to get outside and have some fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I thought, you know what, I'm going to do an episode about hacks, things that people can try that will be affordable, easy to do, lots of fun, and you can find out whether or not a given adventure sport is for you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And before I start,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would like to invite other people to share other hacks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And to that end, I wanted to visit a little bit about what it might mean to be the Adventure Sports podcast family.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think that's too strong of a word, family.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We could call it a community.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that's a little bit more accurate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I kind of feel like it's family and the reason why is because there's so many like-minded people who enjoy doing similar things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's one of the greatest advantages of adventure sports.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As you get involved in something that you find that you really love, that you value on some level, and you meet a lot of other people have very similar ideas.
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[SPEAKER_00]: about the way that they interact with nature, or conduct their lives, or enjoy whatever the sport might be, the community, the social aspect of adventure sports, is one of the greatest advantages of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I remember as a kid, I did lots of kid things, camping, and fishing, and hiking, and swimming, and boating, and canoeing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, the list just goes on and on and on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think it's when I tried distance biking for the first time that I really realized the community aspect of adventure sports and what I did, a buddy of mine, Bill Ireland, Bill, if you're out there, buddy, thank you for this one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We were thirteen years old and he had begged one day of free will in North Eastern Oklahoma and free will was a week long group bicycle ride that covered five hundred miles give or take.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he had done one day of that for some scouting badge or something.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the next year he was like, hey, I'd like to do more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You want to do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so we hear we were, I think, like I said, I think we're a thirteen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we decided to try to do most of the week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had some scheduling challenges toward the end of the week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So anyway.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I started looking around for a bicycle, because I didn't even have a road bike at ten speed of any sort.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I lived on a farm on dirt roads.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, I had something more akin to an old BMX bike, but I didn't have anything that was worthy of a five hundred mile ride.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I started asking around a buddy of mine, said, hey, I've got a bike in my backyard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's been laying back there for years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's rusted and everything else, but you're welcome to it if you think you can rebuild it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He says, I'll give it to you for twenty bucks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I was happy with that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So for twenty dollars, I got this bike and I stripped it down completely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I cleaned all the bearings, re-greased everything, got everything adjusted, got it working again, because I'm an he was almost seized up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was not a high-end bike, but you know what, it peddled, it went down the road.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I learned how to rebuild a bicycle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it ended up being pretty cool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Bill and I went on this ride.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now a week long ride with like two thousand bikers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had no idea how much fun I would have just meeting other people because we like camped on football fields in small towns all over Northeastern Oklahoma and the foothills of Ozarks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And meeting people at camp, meeting people along the way on the roads, visiting with people as you're biking along.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you pass people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They pass you back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You get to recognize people that go about your speed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You stop for launch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's a group of the same little cafe.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it turned into such a social event.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just remember very fondly wonderful people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Wonderful folks that we met that year and in subsequent years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we did it four or five years after that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, social community and adventure sports.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These things go hand in hand.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so as I was thinking about the adventure sports podcast, one challenge with our format is that it's hard to get people together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, Mason started having some trips in Florida.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They invited people to join.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And a pretty good group of people started doing canoe trips, backwater trips.
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[SPEAKER_00]: with with Mason and I hope he continues to do that and that anyone that's interested you know you can you can reach Mason through me if you'd like go to the adventure sports podcast dot com hit the contact button.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know all for any messages to Mason and you can still do that sort of thing but for the adventure sports podcast I thought you know not everyone's gonna be in Florida not everyone's gonna be in Colorado and everyone's gonna be in whatever state or country that you find yourself in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What if we started communicating more now?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's simple way to do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, would be to share comments on the episodes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you can do that on iTunes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can do that on Spotify.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Have comments and conversations there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's fantastic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that actually boosts the show because comments help the search engines to prioritize
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[SPEAKER_00]: the the podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that's great, but I was also thinking, and this is a question for you for the audience.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can respond by going to info at adventure sportspodcast.com or by leaving comments and iTunes, Spotify, wherever you listen, but we'll try to chase all those down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Here's the question.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think?
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[SPEAKER_00]: about doing an adventure sports podcast discord server so that we could actually start having one-on-one or one-on-group or group interactions or ways to direct message each other to text back and forth and make phone calls if we want to where people can meet, get to know each other, share ideas about their sports, maybe some hacks that they've learned along the way, and if people are in the same vicinity, maybe do some meet-ups or something.
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[SPEAKER_00]: in safe places.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just think it would be fantastic if the adventure sports podcast could lean into the community aspect of adventure sports because
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll just say it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have heard over and over and over again news stories, commentaries, analyses, social sciences that are saying that we're having trouble connecting with other people and a lot of that is because we're leaning into our smartphones so much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're using social media instead of face to face meeting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think we need more face-to-face meeting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We need people with people having fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so if that sounds good to you, please let me know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Place your vote.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you want us to put together a Discord server and then the Adventure Sports Podcast community can begin to interact that way?
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[SPEAKER_00]: the amount of time that it might take to get it all set up and rolling is a little bit daunting for me right now because to be frank it's overwhelming still the adventure sports podcast is taking off and i'm trying to hang on running beside the train with one hand on the handle trying to get on this this vast move moving train it's been a blast but um... i think it's worth it
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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Please let us know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Big announcement.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Another reason why things are getting busy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Adventure Sports podcast has run on two episodes per week for many years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when Travis and I first started the Adventure Sports podcast ten years ago, we started it with three episodes a week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I remember we went back and forth a little bit because I wanted to try five episodes a week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The amount of time it takes to put together an episode is daunting, especially now that we're doing video.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Audio is a challenge.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Video takes a lot more time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if anyone has any ideas for me on how to get the video processing to go faster, I'm all ears.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It'd be fantastic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But we did three episodes a week in the beginning.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And after we got momentum up and everything, we realized we weren't gonna keep up at that rate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we went to two episodes a week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And one of those two episodes eventually became a flashback episode so that there was one new episode a week with fresh new content and a second episode each week where we would revisit something that we thought was just outstanding from a couple of years before.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we've had that format for a long time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a format that may seem continued and I think it's a great format.
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[SPEAKER_00]: However, we've had such a positive future guest response that we have a lot more content now than we had well in years, honestly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and i'm beginning to think you know i have a lot of recordings now in the can waiting to be shared and i don't want them to grow still because some of the conversations are timely right maybe there's an upcoming event that that should be shared in time so you you people can hear about it or maybe we're talking about a summer sport now it's winter you know those sorts of things uh... so drum roll
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to try to go back to three episodes a week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so that will be two new episodes and one revisited episode.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I still love those because it's so much fun to go back and learn from something that happened years ago.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And many of you haven't heard the content before.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a new episode for you because you haven't been listening to the vintage sports podcast that long.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But for those of you who are hearing it perhaps for the second time, usually it's so fresh after a couple of years or more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that it's like wow that that's really good so i like being able to do that to keep you know that the content flowing into explore more adventure ideas on the show so anyway three episodes week that's going might and i'm i don't know for how long maybe through the end of the year maybe beyond you know it's an experiment to see what i can handle but three episodes a week and uh...
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[SPEAKER_00]: That means it can't be over edited.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you see that the
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[SPEAKER_00]: editing is a little less what call it intentional there's a reason we want to make sure that we're getting enjoyable adventure stories and ideas to you to the adventure sports podcast community listen you know this I've said it so many times adventure has so many benefits and when I say adventure it's anything that takes you slightly out of your comfort zone where you're trying something new or developing a skill doing a sport that you love
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[SPEAKER_00]: you don't have to be a superhuman to do these things now we do interview a lot of people who I call super athletes who do amazing distance runs or bike rides or you know those sorts of things you don't have to be that person to enjoy adventure sports and
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want you to be able to easily, with minimal barriers to entry, get to try adventure sports.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I want to share a few hacks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And as I was saying, I'm sure that you have your favorite sport and you have some hacks for us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I'm trying to kind of put together this community exchange of here are ways that you can try things to see if you love it before you drop the big bucks on it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember, oh goodness, it was many years ago, that we, and I believe Travis did the interview, but it was interviewing a distance biker and he asked for a hack.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the distance biker said, poggies.
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[SPEAKER_00]: made out of grocery sacks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Plastic grocery sacks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He said, I made pogies a friend told me how to use a little duct tape in this plastic to make pogies from my hands to keep my hands warm on the handlebars.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he says, I can't live without him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is absolutely the best thing I ever did for cold weather biking.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if I remember correctly, he did mountain biking at altitude and often in the rain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so when he says cold weather biking, he's talking about thirty five, forty degrees in icy rainstorms.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: But those sorts of ideas, it doesn't cost you anything, but a little bit of time, and a little bit of know how, and it enhanced his enjoyment of the sport so much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's the kind of idea that we're getting to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So before we dive into those hacks, one more announcement, and it's not really an announcement.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's an announcement of an announcement.
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[SPEAKER_00]: in the very near future and I don't know because we have some web development to do first but in the very near future I'm going to be making an announcement about a way that the adventure sports podcast community or family if you prefer can come together and make a big difference in the world and it's been a lifelong dream of mine and it appeared in my lap two weeks ago as a as a real opportunity
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I can't wait to share with you what it is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm sorry to leave you hanging like that, but there's a way for the Adventure Sports podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: to go beyond just sharing fun adventure sports.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Where we can make a real positive difference as a family, as a group that can pull together to do this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It won't require a lot of time commitment from anybody, but I just want to prep you that that's coming.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Previews of coming attractions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's move on to some hacks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I'll be able to cover all the sports I want to cover.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's so many other sports that could be covered.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's one of the beauties of adventure sports.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The adventure sports podcast covers almost anything outdoors and active that people enjoy doing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's what the adventure sports podcast is about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the reason is because we want people to have a little exposure to something new, something they hadn't thought of, something different.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why we cover so many different types of adventure sports.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As an aside, people that are podcasting experts always say you have to niche down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You should not try to cover too much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I've often wondered if we're too broad or too narrow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's another question for you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Put it in the comments.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think the Adventure Sports Podcast covers too many topics or not enough?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or, you know, how could we explore things that would be fresh and exciting and more helpful for you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: See, if we decided to do just one or two sports and we could do deep dives and get into some of the minutia of quite a lot of people enjoy about these sports,
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's hard to do that when you're reaching the broader community about a larger number of adventure sports.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, if you have some ideas about that, I'm all ears.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd love to hear it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hacks for adventure sports.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Here we go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I created four categories that I want to talk about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: affordability how to get started how to try it out some tips and tricks that might be useful and I only know a few but I'll share the ones I know and maybe you know some others you'd like to share in the comments and then maybe some essentials like don't mess up this part or you'll have a bad experience or it'll be unsafe or whatever right so that's affordability how to try it out tips and tricks and essentials so I'm going to start with backpacking or camping
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the reason is because I believe this to be one of the most rewarding especially backpacking to camping to one of the most rewarding ways to get on to nature and to have an adventure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So many people these days have never slept outside not even a single night.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and sleeping outside and drawing a custom to that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's an adventure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And itself, even if it's only your backyard, and you may remember as a kid, maybe you slipped in the backyard one night to see what it was like, you know?
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it doesn't have to, I'm just encountering the world in a new way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you get out from under your roof, out from behind of the closed windows, out from under the air conditioner, and you go out into anywhere in nature,
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[SPEAKER_00]: You hear the night sounds, you see the stars, you feel the breezes as they blow through, you notice the changes in the weather, the moonlight and how it changes through the night.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know that the various insects that sing for you during the night time and you know, you might go to bed feeling a little bit warm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: but then in two o'clock in the morning awake up in your little bit cold and it's just the whole experience of encountering the planet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not being sheltered from it, but actually being in it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I love the idea of camping.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love the idea of backpacking.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One of the barriers to entry for me with backpacking was getting a backpack when I was a kid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't have the money to buy a nice backpack.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that was a big barrier to entry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But since then, there have been a lot of backpacks that have come on the market that are actually quite affordable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when I say quite affordable, you can buy a backpack that might last for years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if it fits you okay, then
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it'll be fantastic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It might only cost fifty bucks or seventy five bucks or something like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But there are so many options now and it's really easy to look at that and say, well, it doesn't cost much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It'll probably fall apart.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When I took my son backpacking for the first time, he was, uh, I don't know, remember how old he was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It made, maybe it wasn't his very first trip, but the first trip where he needed a real pack.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll say it that way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Very young.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we went to Walmart and I thought, you know what, I'm just gonna grab him a little pack to get started with.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then if he likes the sport later, we can try to get him a nicer pack.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Here's the crazy thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's twenty eight years old and he's still using the same pack.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And at the time, I thought, okay, I'm paying for one or two trips, you know, but he has used this pack for probably fifteen or more years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And yes, it's a little bit heavy, but here's the point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's an avid backpacker.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he goes back packing every summer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes it's a trip or two.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes it's five or ten trips.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes it's a long trip like a couple of weeks long.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes it's just a weekend or an overnighter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the gear that's available these days for an affordable price is actually better than you might think if it fits.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I would encourage you to think, well, do I have like a gym bag?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'll tell you why in a minute.
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[SPEAKER_00]: a gym bag that I could stuff some stuff in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do I really need to have a backpack for this first, first time into the woods?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It'd be nice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you have an old school bag that you could strap things to?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you can put some things into like a book bag and then strap things to it to make a way to carry a few extra things so that you can try while backpacking might be like.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you don't need all the ultra light gear.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't need all the heavy stuff either.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Leave it at home.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What you need is thanks simple so your pack doesn't get too heavy and so you can have an enjoyable time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I would also recommend maybe don't try to go the distance on your first trip, meaning if you have to do a five mile and five mile out and you don't quite have all the right gear.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you're not as prepared with experience number one, but maybe for the weather with the right kind of rain gear or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You might not have a good experience when, with a little bit more time and experience, it would have become a great experience for you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm thinking, if you want to try these things, go small first.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do tiny little things you kind of feel comfortable with.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then as you grow more familiar with it, you'll find out whether or not it's your thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was not your thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Find something else.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's fantastic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If it is your thing, now it's time to start working your way into some gear that could be rewarding and make it more fun and maybe a little bit more functional.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you don't have to spend the big bucks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, think about this for a minute.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can get into a great two person lightweight backpacking tent.
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[SPEAKER_00]: for four hundred and fifty to six hundred dollars.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know about you, but that's not a cheap purchase.
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[SPEAKER_00]: To me, that that's a commitment purchase worth it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You better worth it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you have to do that before you try it for the first time?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you want to spend five hundred dollars to try something for the first time?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would recommend you don't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And but let's just keep going down the list.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A backpack that's high quality that fits you perfect.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's lightweight that it has the right size for what you want to do and all of the features that you might need.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's going to last you for the rest of your life is going to cost four hundred dollars five hundred dollars again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't need that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm telling you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can strap things to your book bag and go have a great weekend.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What about sleeping comfort?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, those nice and flatable air mattresses, maybe it's by therm arrest, maybe it's, oh, I'm not to start naming all these different brands, but regardless, you know, they cost eighty ninety hundred bucks plus you can get as expensive as you want.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they're very comfortable and they're very light and they're fantastic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't have to spend that money to go sleep somewhere.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There are other pads that are just like a thin piece of foam.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Are they cushy?
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[SPEAKER_00]: No.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do they insulate?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do they keep you off the ground?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Can you learn to be comfortable on one?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Quasi comfortable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Matter of fact, I used to sleep on a very firm kind of closed cell piece of foam.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's about a half inch thick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I backpacked with it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I camped with it for many, many years because it was lightweight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It cost me like seven bucks at the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not kidding.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was like seven dollars.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I used it for a very, very long time, and it did feel a little bit firm sometimes, but I thought, well, it's probably good for me to be slightly less comfortable in my life.
24:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Learn how to sleep on a harder surface.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's actually good for your body anyway.
24:35
[SPEAKER_00]: If you don't know what I'm talking about red atomic habits.
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[SPEAKER_00]: or even more, move your DNA.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Two books that can talk about ways to develop new skills and ways to make your body healthier.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Move your DNA is fantastic for learning how to sleep on firm services and stuff like that.
24:54
[SPEAKER_00]: But if we learn to be comfortable being a little less comfortable, then it opens up a whole world of adventure to us.
25:01
[SPEAKER_00]: And let's face it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't matter how much you spend on your adventure gear.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're still going to be going away from your creature, comforts to some degree.
25:11
[SPEAKER_00]: And so anyway, back to where we were.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We were talking about the cost of the tint.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We were talking about the sleeping pad, the backpack, what about the sleeping bag?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, if you're in warm weather climate and it's summertime, you don't need much in the way of an expensive sleeping bag.
25:30
[SPEAKER_00]: If you want a very very light sleeping bag, it starts to get pricey.
25:34
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're in a mountain area where you go to altitude like I do, or maybe you're in the North or you want to sleep in the colder weather seasons, you want to push the envelope a little bit into the early spring or the late fall, or even into winter, which will get to in a minute.
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[SPEAKER_00]: then you're going to need more sleeping bag.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But a zero degree bag, if you're a cold weather camper, is sufficient in most places.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, probably not Alaska, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And probably not on the coldest of days in other places in lower forty eight, but a zero degree bag will cover you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And here's a simple hack for you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't have to zip the thing up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When I go camping in Colorado, I have a zero degree bag and granted
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[SPEAKER_00]: There are two different types of ratings for sleeping bags.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When I say zero degree, my bag has a survival rating of zero degrees.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Other bags have a comfort rating of zero degrees.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A survival rating means, yeah, you'll get through the night when it's zero degrees, but you won't be comfortable, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a survival rating that you'll be cold, but you'll be protected.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A comfort rating means you'll be cozy as a bug and a rug at zero degrees, right?
26:44
[SPEAKER_00]: But all of this said, all I do is I unzip the bag and I throw it over me like a blanket.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now it's no longer a zero degree anything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now that bag is comfortable at fifty degrees or maybe even sixty degrees and there's there are all sorts of ways to adapt is what I'm getting at right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But let's talk about the expense of a nice zero degree bag comfort rating lightweight made to last and be convenient you don't have to fight the zippers at fits your body.
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[SPEAKER_00]: all the things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They start at six hundred for a low end and go above a thousand for a high end.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not kidding.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So by the time we try to do all this backpacking, we've got the tint, let's just call it five hundred bucks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You could do another, call it a hundred bucks for your air pads, rep to six, the sleeping bag, seven hundred bucks.
27:38
[SPEAKER_00]: So let's, you know, we're up to, what is that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: The backpack, you could spend five hundred dollars easy, four hundred dollars to get you into the into the world of decent, right?
27:50
[SPEAKER_00]: And so we're up to seventeen hundred dollars.
27:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Now you want to camp stove for your food and those are over a hundred bucks these days.
27:58
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you need the fuel, you need some dehydrated food, you need a way to have water, you need a water filter, where over two thousand dollars and you've not walked out your front door yet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I use that just as an illustration.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Those are barriers to entry for a sport.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you need all of that stuff to go try it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Will you eventually want to gain those pieces of equipment or some of that gear for comfort or because it's way you like to prioritize things when you backpack you might?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You might, someday.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you don't have to spend the money.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't have to drop two thousand dollars to try something.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not backpacking.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I backpacked for several years without a sleeping bag.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have a fun time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just got a couple of lightweight blankets that I knew were pretty darn warm and then I would sleep with my jacket on and some thick socks and a nice cap on my head and I was fine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't have to have a high dollar sleeping bag.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was carrying a little bit more weight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There were some nights when it was a little bit cold, but it wasn't horrible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now for winter camping, I wouldn't advise that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But for summer camping and in most of the United States and the summer, I mean, all you need is a sheet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's face it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's warm, you know?
29:23
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're at altitude though, you're gonna need a little bit more.
29:25
[SPEAKER_00]: You know where I'm headed with all of this.
29:29
[SPEAKER_00]: So imagine for a moment, you wanna go try it, but
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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't want to buy tint.
29:35
[SPEAKER_00]: I also, actually, I go back and forth because of pros and cons.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I almost prefer tarp camping.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you can go to an outfitter store and they will sell you a tarp.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're online everywhere.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ultra lightweight tarp.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Use your hiking pole and a couple of strings and a toothpick to hold it together and life will be grand.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, those are nice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They are very light and they do the job, but you can also go to any discount department store and get a regular lightweight tarp.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't need the five mil rough and tough heavy duty, you know, and you don't need very big.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Try to find the cheapest tarp you can find the finished tarp that you can find.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it will last you, it will probably last you for fifteen or twenty backpacking trips.
30:28
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not kidding.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then buy a little bit of cordage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like, I like pericord because it has such a high tensile strength, but you can use anything that has a pretty good tensile strength.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you can use sticks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can use your your hiking poles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You need to have some stakes to stake it down with.
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[SPEAKER_00]: but you can set up a tarp in dozen different ways to meet your needs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can set them up kind of like a lean too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If the wind is coming from one direction, you can put them high off the ground for more airflow and so you can see out better but still be dry from the rain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can put them very close to the ground where they actually become an insulating layer and keep you warm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can even just roll up in it and go to sleep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I have used tarps for extensive backpacking and I actually love them now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's five bucks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Seven bucks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can buy the cheapest art you can find and you're set except.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The bugs will drive you crazy, so here's the hack.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Outfitters have cheap mosquito netting that you can buy at ways almost nothing and ounce, right?
31:34
[SPEAKER_00]: And you put that mosquito netting on and you make sure that it's tucked in under a neckgator of some sort, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you don't have any exposed skin and you're under a blanket for the rest of your body, then you're not going to be eaten alive by the insects.
31:49
[SPEAKER_00]: I have had it times when the buzzing of the mosquitoes or the fly started to drive me nuts and I know this sounds a little crazy, but I finally just took some earplugs with me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So put the mosquito netting over your head and here's a hack for you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't want it to rest on your face.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And as it cools off at night in your breathe, condensation can collect on it like do and it will get heavy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It can drip down on your face and now that just it wakes you up in its gross.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So what you do is you put on a bulk app because the bulk app holds the netting off your face.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So simple.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you put on the bulk app then you put on the netting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You get under your tarp that's set up the way that you want it to be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you have your your cheap little close cell phone, you know, Matt that you're laying on to keep you off the dirt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just don't don't do this on top of an ant hill, okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or a hornets nest ground hornets not good, but make sure you find a good place.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've had more fun that way.
32:51
[SPEAKER_00]: And I've gotten to the point that I almost prefer tarps and the reason is because when I wake up in the night and I want to see what's going on around me, if you're in a tent, you can't see anything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And a tent don't really protect you from wild animals.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They protect you from mosquitoes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I already told you how to deal with that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You've got the rain shelter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you can see out, so I like to put my tarp a little bit higher off the ground so I can see out in all directions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I love it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nice airflow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Fresh air.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I can look around and see what's going on around me and your eyes will be adjusted to the starlight or the moonlight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You'll be able to see everything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I really like that because if you hear noise, you can see what the noise is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And not only that, but it's just fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's really fun to be able to see.
33:37
[SPEAKER_00]: If you've ever had a night in a tent where you can't see out and you hear noises in the night you're unfamiliar with, let's face it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You've not slept in the woods that much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to be noises you're unfamiliar with.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then it's a little bit freaky, especially when you're half awake or half asleep, whichever the case may be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the reality is most of these noises, almost all of them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Even the noises that some people could say could be dangerous, aren't really that dangerous.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But almost all the noises you hear, they sound amplified, you're hyper aware, you think, oh no, it's a bear coming deep knee, which it's probably not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've never killed a deer, though my dad used to take me hunting when I was a kid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know what your views are on hunting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and I don't want to go there right now except to say that dad would put me up in a tree and I'd be stone quiet and I was waiting for the deer and I would hear a monster coming through the woods.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're like, wow, that is, that is huge.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It gets closer and closer and I know all you hunters out there know what I'm gonna say.
34:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Finally, it comes into the clearing and it was a cotton till rabbit or squirrel or even a mouse.
34:58
[SPEAKER_00]: And the reason I'm sharing that is because that's the way it, when you're really paying attention in the woods and you're not accustomed to it, everything sounds so much bigger than it is and I'm telling you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The probability that it's a bear or something like that is very, very low.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the probability that the bear wants to mess with you is even lower, much, much lower than that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, all of that said, I like to be able to see out rather than freak out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I love tarps.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
35:27
[SPEAKER_00]: If you want to tint, you don't want to do the mosquito net bit.
35:30
[SPEAKER_00]: And you say, no, I really just want to tint.
35:33
[SPEAKER_00]: My wife and I were going on a road trip with our family.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Very, very, when the kids were tiny.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we thought, you know what, let's just, let's just grab a tent.
35:42
[SPEAKER_00]: It costs less than one night in a hotel.
35:46
[SPEAKER_00]: He went to Walmart and it was, uh, Ozark Trail, I believe, tent.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And at the time, it costs less than one night in a hotel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I, I told
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[SPEAKER_00]: and my wife.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, if we use this once or even twice, it's paid for itself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So why don't we go ahead and get it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we'll just car camp along the way a little bit on this trip and see how it goes with these young children.
36:09
[SPEAKER_00]: We got rid of that tent last year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It lasted us for twenty years, a tent that costs less than one night in a hotel room.
36:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Did you hear me?
36:20
[SPEAKER_00]: It lasted us for twenty years.
36:24
[SPEAKER_00]: And what finally went wrong with it was that the zipper started splitting open past the zipper like things do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I even repaired that a few times, which you can tighten the zippers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I finally decided that we would just get another one because it didn't cost anything.
36:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Twenty years of heavy use.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Our family did a lot of camping with that tent.
36:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Now this is not a backpacking tent.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a tent big enough for the family.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was somewhat heavy, but we used it for car camping and we used it a lot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
36:55
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a place for that kind of stuff.
36:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Do I want to put a tent like that on my back and carry it in miles into the wilderness?
37:02
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I don't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's a way to car camp or a way to get it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
37:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Second, I went to Walmart the other day and I found a back packing weight tent.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A single person tent.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it actually has good features.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's actually pretty darn good.
37:20
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know how long it'll last.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've only had it for a year.
37:26
[SPEAKER_00]: But it is as light.
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[SPEAKER_00]: as a tarp with stakes in the accoutrements that I already explained.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I thought you got to be kidding me, because once again, it cost very little.
37:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, it was less than one night no hotel.
37:42
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I snagged that from my motorcycle.
37:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Why not?
37:45
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I love tarps, but sometimes I like to not have to wear the mosquito netting.
37:51
[SPEAKER_00]: And so it doesn't have to cost much.
37:55
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't have to cost much to get out there and try it.
37:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're all sorts of hacks like that.
38:02
[SPEAKER_00]: And you can definitely go back packing.
38:05
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you could probably, I'm going to say for thirty bucks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You could put together what you need to go back now.
38:13
[SPEAKER_00]: What about a sleeping bag?
38:15
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, excellent sleeping bags made with Hall of Phil or Kuala Phil, not down sleeping bags, but good bags that that will keep you warm in cold temperatures.
38:27
[SPEAKER_00]: They're out there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't cost much.
38:29
[SPEAKER_00]: They're just heavy and bulky.
38:31
[SPEAKER_00]: They're big.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They'll fill up your pack, but you can always strap into the outside.
38:36
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, uh, you can do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can buy one of the less expensive bags.
38:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Just know you're carrying a lot of extra weight.
38:44
[SPEAKER_00]: And it will be very functional.
38:46
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just big and heavy.
38:48
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's a place to start.
38:50
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it'll get you out there this summer.
38:53
[SPEAKER_00]: And then next summer, maybe you think, you know, that's, this is the summer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to get the bag this lightweight that fits in my pack easily.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know where I'm going.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
39:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Moving on a little bit quarter mile camps.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you want to try camping.
39:09
[SPEAKER_00]: You want to try backpacking like I was just suggesting you don't know how much how far you want to go into the woods.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't know you know how much you want to commit to this yet because you haven't done it.
39:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Do the quarter mile camp and I've talked about this on on the podcast before, but I had so much fun with quarter mile camping is what I call it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So let me explain what this is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you go into an area, you know, the regulations, so you're not breaking the law, you know, you don't want to get in trouble, but go into areas like that and you'll find almost everybody, almost without exception.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They stay on the roads, they stay on the trails.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't leave the roads or the trails.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now out of respect for nature, please if you go off trail, don't abuse things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, don't be tearing up the vegetation and trampling it down all that kind of stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you know, wilderness regulations are you're not supposed to camp inside of the trail anyway.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Same thing with
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[SPEAKER_00]: Forrestroads, you're supposed to be away from, but not with your vehicle obviously, but away.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So what do you do?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You do the quarter mile camp.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so what you do is you set yourself up for backpacking with whatever gear you have like I just described.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you find the place that looks interesting and you say I'm going to go perpendicular to the road or the trail for one quarter mile.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, a quarter mile, what is that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a thirteen hundred feet, something like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we're talking about four hundred steps.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know how long it takes to four hundred steps?
40:44
[SPEAKER_00]: That's like five minutes.
40:45
[SPEAKER_00]: You're there.
40:46
[SPEAKER_00]: You're done.
40:46
[SPEAKER_00]: You're already there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Matter of fact, I've even carried heavy ice chests on a quarter mile camp, just because it was nice to have the extra grub and food and ice and all that kind of stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you don't have to do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you go a quarter mile perpendicular to the commonplace.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You will see nobody.
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[SPEAKER_00]: for the whole weekend.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you'll be, you might as well be in the pristine wilderness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The only difference is you'll hear people in the distance, hiking or driving by, but they don't know you're there and you get to have an outdoor, natural wilderness experience with almost no effort.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if something if some of your gear you figure out the middle of the night, it was just too cold, it couldn't take it anymore.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're only a quarter mile from the car, you know, you'll be there in five minutes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you want a bug out instead of sticking it out, you can.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a beauty of the quarter mile camp.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a low commitment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I used to do this when our kids are really little.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would take them on a quarter mile camp because they could carry some of their own gear.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were too little to backpack, but they could still carry their sleeping bag in or a little bit of food or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we had the most fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm telling you we had so much fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We'd hike into a little stream, pitch the tent, cook up some grub.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I could go on forever about how it brought our family closer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the reason it does that is because there's no television.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're not in separate bedrooms.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone's having a new experience at the same time together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're discovering a new place, a new atmosphere.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're experiencing the weather together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're talking about things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have conversations.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that you wouldn't have at home.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, at home, everyone's staring at their at their black screen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're television.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're in their separate bedrooms.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, people find their favorite corner of the house and it may not be where anyone else is, but if you go camping together, you'll be together sitting around a small campfire or even just in the tent with a flashlight and just experiencing
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[SPEAKER_00]: the adventure together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't go on enough about great it is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And going solo by yourself is amazing to completely different experience.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, for thirty bucks, you can set yourself up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How are you going to cook your food?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Get a coffee can.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is too bulky to carry for, you know, years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to take up too much room in your pack.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be messy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not high tech, but it's a ton of fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Get a coffee can.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's got to be it, you know, maybe maybe a twenty two ounce or something or bigger a thirty two even whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Open the coffee can dump out the coffee, make sure there are no sharp edges on it and then get you some tin snips and at the top you want to cut like a cross and then down and up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So kind of not a zigzag, but you want to cut notches in the top of the can like every two inches, notch, notch, notch, notch, all the way around the can.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's to let the smoke out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then at the bottom of the can where you still have the metal because it protects the ground at the bottom of the can you're going to drill every couple of inches a half inch hole or maybe a little smaller three eights, but you're going to drill a hole all the way around the bottom maybe
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[SPEAKER_00]: a half inch to an inch from the bottom of the can put those holes in the bottom.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's her airflow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then you're going to cut a hole in the bottom that's going to be about two inches by three inches or four inches.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you've got a can, you know, about this figure around about this tall and you've got a little hole in the bottom where you can put twigs in the can.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let her split up little pieces of wood, whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you can set that down, start a little fire inside of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can also, well, there are a thousand hacks for this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I'll come back to different fire hacks in just a moment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you can burn alcohol burners.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can burn twigs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can split up a sticks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have nice dry little pieces of wood.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're easier to work with.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can put a little charcoal in that thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can use fire tablets that you just lighten burn.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, you can set your pan right on that thing, and you've got a perfectly functional natural fuel backpacking stove.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The problems with it are that it's not going to last forever, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because it's not the right kind of metal, and it also is bulky, and it's going to get smoky.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you're going backpacking for a weekend, you can throw it away at the end of the weekend.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Holy cow, it will serve you very, very well for that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: or you could probably use it for a year or two, but for you say, oh, I need another coffee can.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, these things are really entertaining hacks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just make sure that you use, you know, all the fire safety rules so that you don't burn the forest down or burn yourself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And make sure that you don't have any sharp edges on the can when you cut these things out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you'll learn from experience how many holes to put where so that it gets good airflow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Number one thing about fires is sticks like this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you're not at seeing the video, I'm holding three fingers up together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sticks like that don't burn.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Open them up so that they're separated by about half the width of the stick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If it's a small stick, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you're into logs and maybe it separates them by an inch and a half or two inches.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But then you lay three more sticks across it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now I have a grid pattern for those of you who can't see.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And now you have airflow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And one stick heats the stick next to it, which heats it back again, and it makes the thing burn better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Simple things like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can build a simple little fire.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't take much wood.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It'll be contained in the can.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's much safer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have a windscreen and you can cook on it without any challenges.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So easy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's a hack.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't need the hundred and fifty dollar cook stove until you decide you want one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's always a way, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's some hacks for backpacking and camping and it kind of illustrates where we are going with this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We talked about a affordability and we talked about how to try it out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I said do a quarter mile camp.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do something in your backyard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do something simple and easy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe there's a local reservoir somewhere you can camp beside or a river where there's there's some camping and you could be in a campground.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing wrong with that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I personally prefer to get away from the campgrounds and have a true nature experience.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The number one hurdle to overcome in primitive dispersed camping is how do you poop in the woods and I'm gonna I'm gonna cover this one again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do it all the time because I'm so I'm so tired of people who don't do it correctly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, dig a cat hole, you know, you can buy a plastic spade at Walmart for two bucks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Dig a cat hole, squat over it, do your business, and bury it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's that easy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do not leave your toilet paper out, thinking that nature will take care of it, or no one else will ever be here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's nasty and in dry climates it'll be there for a very long time and it kind of showers and experience right when you're wanting to go into the pristine wilderness and you come across someone else's experiment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not hard to do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just dig a little pupil, bury it back again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It'll break down underground naturally.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's good for the environment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No harm, no foul.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You haven't fouled any streams or anything like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's the proper way to do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's not hard and it's a skill you can learn.
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[SPEAKER_00]: do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: People quit throwing your toilet paper on the ground.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you feel like I don't want to dig a hole and I only have to go number one, but I still want to use some toilet paper.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Put it in a zip lock bag and take it out of there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's simple.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't leave it on top of the ground.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry, pet peeve.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody who loves nature and backpacks a lot gets tired of this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I hope I'm speaking for all of you and that those of you that are with me are cheering right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to move on to a different adventure sport.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just to illustrate this idea.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Scuba, how much is scuba gear cost?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my lands.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How much does a scuba trip cost?
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[SPEAKER_00]: How much does certification training cost?
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[SPEAKER_00]: How much does all the gear cost, barriers to entry?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, do I love that sport?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you have the money and you want to try something amazing, I would highly encourage it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's such a fantastic sport.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But what's the hack?
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[SPEAKER_00]: How can you try something like this without putting out the money?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, there are
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[SPEAKER_00]: like try scuba places where you can just go out with a guide or an instructor and try it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I would recommend that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I have something even simpler.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's a skill you need anyway.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Go online and buy mask, fins and snorkel as a package that don't cost much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can get these things for pretty cheap.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And start snorkeling.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't have to go to cancun or co-smell or the leaves or you can do it anywhere where you have somewhat clear water.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it doesn't even have to be perfectly clear.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Learn how to breathe through a snorkel, learn how to clear this snorkel, learn how to clear your mask, learn how to preserve energy, and how to do a surface dive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you will become a much, much better scuba diver someday.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you spend time doing this anyway, you can't stay on the bottom very long, but you don't need to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can go down and see the most amazing things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And here's a couple of hacks for you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We had a lake where I was growing up where the visibility was, you know, maybe two or three feet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it wasn't much, but that's actually fairly clean for a lot of lakes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I would dive down to the bottom and I would watch blue gills nesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had the time of my life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'd maybe watch them for thirty seconds, go up, get a breath, go back down, watch them some more, chase them around, try to touch a blue gills, it scurries off, you know, every now and then a bass would come through or a catfish.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're just like, whoa, look at that guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, it's amazing, but the cleaner the water, the clearer the water, the more you're going to enjoy it, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: There was a spring fed stream where I grew up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was cold and it wasn't very large, but it was large enough to swim in and on a hot day it felt refreshing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One day it took my snorkel into this stream and I ended up doing kind of a float trip, but it was a snorkeling trip down the stream.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just went with a current.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When you do that, you don't scare things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Fisher used to things floating by with the current.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I started seeing fish you can never catch with a fishing pole and a hook because they don't feed that way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you get to see them in their natural habitat, translucent glowing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Moving gracefully, colors that you wouldn't anticipate, fish you didn't know existed, amazing, just in a stream in the woods.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't go to Cancun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was having an amazing aquatic experience.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you can do that snorkeling.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you can buy that gear from nothing, you know?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you can do snorkeling in all sorts of different areas.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You learn the skill, free diving, fantastic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we talked about the hack, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: how to make it affordable and kind of some ideas about trying it out like a lake in a stream, river of its clean, that sort of thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Tips and tricks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, sometimes I would grab a rock so I could stay down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Pick up a rock and hold it and then drop it so you can go back to the surface.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't need a weight belt, weight belts are dangerous, so you don't know how to use them anyway.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But here's an essential for you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When you're snorkeling, there is the
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[SPEAKER_00]: The temptation to hyperventilate a little bit so you can hold your breath longer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Essential.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's called shallow water hypoxia.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And here's how it works.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When you hyperventilate, you get rid of excess carbon dioxide out of your tissues and your bloodstream.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When you are holding your breath, the trigger that makes you want to breathe is the carbon dioxide level in your body.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not the lack of oxygen that makes you want to take a breath.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the buildup of the carbon dioxide.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you hyperventilate, you get rid of too much carbon dioxide and then you go into the water you're holding your breath.
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[SPEAKER_00]: you run out of oxygen before the carbon dioxide level gets high enough to tell you that you really must breathe and you can pass out without knowing you need a breath because you're out of oxygen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you die.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's called shallow water hypoxia.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When you want to do even just a shallow dive down, maybe three feet deep, then don't hyperventilate beforehand.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, in training, they say you can take three breaths at the most.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I say, don't even do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just be peaceful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Breathe out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Breathe in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Go down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That way you don't have to risk shallow water hypoxia.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's an essential.
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[SPEAKER_00]: mountain biking so i just looked at the the clock and realized that i've been talking a lot longer than i thought so i'm gonna highlight just like eight maybe little quick ideas and i won't go into depth on any of them because uh... for lack of time i just kind of want to round off the subject here real fast but mountain biking uh... bikes are expensive cheap bikes are
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, if you want to learn how to pedal, but the reality is if you really want to go mountain biking and have fun, rent a bike, maybe even a guide, but rent a good bike so you can see what it's really about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And do a easy trail that you can really enjoy, because mountain biking takes quite a lot of practice to get good and to do the tough trails, and you do need great equipment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: a cheap mountain bike equipment is exhausting and and it's not as much fun now moderately cheap yeah okay that's fine but rent a bike best way to try mountain biking is to rent a nice bike so you know what it's really about anyway like oh I get it now
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[SPEAKER_00]: mountain climbing, Fort Teeners.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How to start.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Fort Teeners rules are so simple.
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[SPEAKER_00]: First of all, the number one rule is don't get some of the fever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't have to sum it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Getting to the summit is great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you do, it'll be an amazing experience, but just the hike itself is what it's all about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're climbing through different ecosystems, different thermal zones, different weather,
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[SPEAKER_00]: You see, you know, first you're in the trees.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're out of the trees.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You see the tundra.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You see all kinds of animals.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You've never seen before.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You see views opening up all around you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's an amazing experience.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But don't get some at fever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If the weather turns sorry, turn around.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Go back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can always get that peak another day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The experience is about getting out there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not about the summit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Number two, start early, get off of high peaks by midday.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In Colorado, we have monsoon storms that develop.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you can watch the weather, hit sometimes at noon, sometimes they hit at one, sometimes they don't hit till three, but on the high peaks, they hit earlier than they do in the towns around the peaks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, just before warned, you need to start, get started at daybreaker before.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you wait much longer than daybreak, maybe choose a hike that's not going to the top of a fort tenor, because lightning is nothing to mess around with.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've had lightning strike very close to me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't recommend this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't want this to happen to you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, Fort tenors, make sure you take rain gear or something warm to put on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to get cold.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Make sure you get a really early start.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you start feeling exhausted, if the weather starts to look
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[SPEAKER_00]: Questionable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not bad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Questionable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Turn around.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Make sure you have plenty of water.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Make sure you have some food.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Altitude sickness is a thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you get a headache and you start getting nauseous, go down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It'll fix it for you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't want to keep going up and then for it to just get worse.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It can get debilitating.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Boating.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Boats cost money.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's no way around it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Even cheap canoes are expensive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But once a buddy and I,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Pete, if you're out there, you'll remember this day.
57:46
[SPEAKER_00]: We wanted to go out on the lake.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We didn't have a boat, but we had some old intertubes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so we bumped up three intertubes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We got a kind of a shelf plank that we put across those three intertubes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We strapped it all together with some cheap rope.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We even put a stick we found up in the air that we could hang some cloth on to make a sail.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We grabbed broom sticks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: to paddle with.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We strapped on a nice chest full of some snacks and cool drinks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we went out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We had such a great time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, we tried to stay away from the boats.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, motor boats all that kind of stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But we had such an amazing day on the water that day, paddling with broom sticks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then when the wind was blowing the right direction, we'd put a little cloth, a towel or something across our, our makeshift sail and it would blow us back in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't overestimate the amount of fun you can have with something silly like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, may not be something you want to do every time you go to the lake.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But what a good time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What a good time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's always a way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've made all sorts of different types of rafts over the years just because it was fun to make it and to try it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there you go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was going to talk about emergency shelter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's going to take too long.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But there are other episodes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you go to the adventuresportspodcast.com, know the just adventuresportspodcast.com, there's episodes by category.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you click on that, you'll find it over the years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We've done a lot of things where we say, like, oh, here's how you burn it or build an emergency shelter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Very important skill to have.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Really fun to learn.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Great thing to teach kids.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They love it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like building a little fort in the woods.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's so much fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Learn that skill of my Savior life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you want to take up running, here's a hack for you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't try to run three miles on day one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe go a half mile and don't even run the whole way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Walk.
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[SPEAKER_00]: until you feel warmed up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Run slowly until you start to feel winded.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Start walking again and walk until you feel like you got your breath back and then run again until you start to feel winded.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You get all the benefits of running by doing the walk, run intervals.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some people even say it's healthier and it's better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It'll keep you from getting injured and that way you can enjoy it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Any adventure sport you try.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You need to enjoy it and then grow into it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you go out for a run and you hate it because you went too long too far too fast, then you'll never become a runner because your body will say, I'm not going to run again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Even if you want to, you will run out of willpower.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So do something small and rewarding and then let it develop over time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you want to become a runner, start small.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and do the walk run intervals.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And over time you'll get to the point that you can go bigger distances at a higher speed and enjoy it even more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So all adventure sports.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a parallel rule to that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to wrap it up there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Those are just some examples.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can figure out ways hacks that you can do to try different types of nature experiences, adventure sports, all those sorts of things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I do want to throw a bone out there to all of the guides.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and adventure services.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, sometimes they seem a little pricey, but when you compare it to the cost of buying your own equipment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes it makes a lot of sense to go with some sort of an outfitter that has the equipment can show you how to use it correctly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The other expense associated is sometimes our lack of knowledge gets very expensive because we don't know what we're doing, we get ourselves in overheads.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't want to do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Safety first, have fun, safety first, have fun, and challenge yourself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But don't do things that are going to get your hurt, okay?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So those are some of my ideas for adventure hacks and some ideas about the Adventure Sports podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you very, very much for the time that you gave us today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't forget that we do have a Patreon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a great way to support the adventure sports podcast if you feel like, you know, the information that you're getting is worth a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It helps us to keep the show alive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So thank you in advance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Very much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Every little bit helps.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's Patreon, comments and reviews.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They help a ton.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's all about the search engines.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And as the show grows, then it also becomes much more sustainable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So thank you in advance for sharing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let me know what you think about discord.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some of these other ideas, I think it'd be fantastic for the Adventure Sports podcast community to be able to interact with each other.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it would be a fantastic thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So thank you very much for your time today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Until the next show, which remember, we're trying for a Monday, Wednesday, Friday schedule now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Three shows a week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Until that next show, get out there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Have some fun.