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THE GRISWALDS: PART DOUCHE · CALL ME MISTRESS

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Hi, welcome to the latest episode of Mistress Mia's
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Dungeon. I'm your Hostess, Mistress Mia,
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and this is Mistress Mia's Dungeon.
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Today I'm interviewing Ellen and Clark Griswold for the second
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time. This is where we left off
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episode. We ended it on them actually
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breaking the rules for the first time and what it was like
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thereafter. And that's where we're going to
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begin. I bring you Part 2 of the
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Griswold. Into playtime can be fun too,
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but you have to be careful. You have to tread lightly on
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that with the couples, some of them.
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They'll get scared. Some of them, it scares them
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away and they're like, what the hell are you talking about?
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But those who are receptive to it, like they've already been to
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some parties that you've been to and they understand a little bit
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about it. They're welcoming about you,
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like bringing some of your your whips and, and spank spank toys
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to start a session off. And those are fun.
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Too. Yes, because Ellen, wherever we
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go, has her bag. Usually do I.
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Was gonna say, but you know, she's good at doming.
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Yep, she you know, she dominates men and women well and she
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enjoys it and do and you know, you mainly do impact.
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You know, you do a lot of like sensual play but but then you do
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CBT with your husband, you know, little cock ball torture a
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little. Bit a little bit a little bit.
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You know, having a girl, having a girl fuck me for the first
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time with a strap on, that was a lot of fun.
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So we've experienced that for the first time and vice versa.
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Me fucking her with a strap on. Those have been some fun
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experiences. Now I was going to say, wasn't
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there a situation where it was the three of you like you were
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you were fucking her with a strap on or or something?
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Towards you, almost like. A.
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Train, right? It was the other way around,
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yeah. OK, what happened?
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What was that? That that was just.
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It was she was fucking. She was fucking Ellen with the
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strap. On Yeah.
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And Ellen's sucking my Dick. Oh.
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OK, OK, I didn't know if you were fucking the girl.
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Oh, no, no. OK, OK.
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You know, So what do you all see for your future?
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I mean, is there something, some fantasy you haven't really
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fulfilled at this point? Well.
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Having thought about that. That's up to Ellen right there.
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She's the one that tells us what we're going to do, where they're
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going to go. You know what we?
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Go what I'm supposed to do? She's a planner, but.
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She is. She's very much planned.
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We haven't been to any of the big like, what's it?
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Called, Yeah. We haven't been to any of those
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yet and we keep saying we are. So that is on my bucket list to
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to try to go and and do. That right, so that's in New
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Orleans, that's. Doable.
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Yeah. So, yeah, it's basically like
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going to one of those. We've done everything else.
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No, we haven't done double penetration but.
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Oh, you're thinking about that now.
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All right, people, I brought that up and she was like, I
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ain't doing that. Oh, but now she just puts it out
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here. I haven't done double
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penetration yet. So what might be fun is for a
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girl to do the double penetration with like a girl in
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you. That would be fun.
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Just how big I am? I crush both of you.
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I don't know. Well, like maybe I get on top of
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you and you're, I don't know. You get my little pecker up in
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you and then, yeah, and then. Let her, let her fuck me in the
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ass. That's not double penetrate.
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Do you want double vaginal or do you want DP?
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Oh. Yes, all the bases, whichever
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one is, all the bases covered, all the holes covered, whatever
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that one is. That would.
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Be that's DP. That's that's DP.
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OK, I didn't know he went double vaginal.
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So you're sitting there talking about it.
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I'm like, what is when is she talking about?
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That's double. How do you say that one's double
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vaginal penetration, right? Yeah, OK, so you want, so you
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want just straight up one in the puss, one in the butt, mate.
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This is possibly all. Right.
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So the next couple we play with, I'm going to bring that up.
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No, not. Necessarily, it's already it's
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already on it's it's, it's, it's on the podcast.
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I can find it, go back to it and go, hey, remember.
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You know it's a. It's a bucket list.
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You know, this might be another, this might be another option for
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another episode. But I will say that I have to
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agree with you. When you're talking to other
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couples that are swingers and when you mention BDSM, they're
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like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Some will get scared, yes.
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Yeah, and that's sad. Yes, we tread lightly when we
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because we are in our our feet are in both worlds, swingers and
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BDS and we like there's pros and cons about both of it and it's a
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fun place for us to be. I like both but when we just go
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to swingers we we do tread lightly on how we bring.
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It yeah. We don't even bring it up.
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We don't if it's at a swinging party.
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Bring it up. I'll be local.
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So what? You know like what kind of do
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y'all use whips or anything like that for foreplay and if they go
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and. Then you look at you like, yeah,
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Dick on your floor. Like what?
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But those that say, Oh yeah, we've got this thing that we get
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to tie her up and we do, we have a, we have a swingers couple
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that also they have this cool tie up stuff in there in their
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bedroom and they hide it away and.
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Their kids go. Yes.
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Why is there a hookup in the ceiling band and.
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They have their little stash now those yes we.
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Can yes now that they because they are in the BDSM too, but
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it's it's few and far between the finance I've what I've been
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noticing. True, it's.
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So crazy. Yeah, it's so crazy.
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You know, because they come to the use of vans, you know, they
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come to hotel takeovers. And at a hotel takeover, they
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still do like a themed BDSM room, you know, But a lot of
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people do just really shy away from it.
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You know, it's funny. I was talking to Barbie.
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We did an episode the other day and she's like, well, you know,
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it is kind of silly. You know, we kind of hit each
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other with toys and, you know, it's kind of silly, you know,
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But a lot of people take that shit too serious.
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But they do. What's funny is that the total
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100% swingers like when it's time to get down to having the
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playtime with them, they just throw those clothes off and here
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we go. I've noticed that but.
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Then like, Oh yeah, they'll be naked and the.
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Ones like the ones like me, like I've got my sexy little outfit
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on and, and I, I noticed that the, the men, they, they like
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that, they like the outfit. They like the attire that you
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bring to the table and then you slowly take that.
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They tend to like that better, so.
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I was going to say one of the hottest pictures and I always
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hold on to it. So if I recruit other couples to
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meet you all, I always show them that one picture here in that
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sexy one piece stocking, body stocking and it was awesome.
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It's black and then you like you're feeding your titty
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basically to the sexy hot girl that you always.
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Play. Yeah, that.
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Was fun and that is a sexy picture.
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I show that to people. I'm like, look at my friend, is
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she not the coolest? I know that picture now.
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She's straddling her too, on top of her and I was like.
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Damn, you got her tongue sticking out, Yeah.
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Yeah, one, one couple we played with, I had all my fun BDSM
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attire on and came out there and, and the girl's like, yeah,
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why do you have so many clothes on?
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And I'm like, they'll be coming off soon, but just for right
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now. And that's, and that's the
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Slinger one right there. Like, why are you wearing all
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that? We're here to fuck.
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Yeah, but it takes away from the lure.
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Yeah. And building up, yes, let's
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build up to it. Let's not just.
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Yes, because your your guy love that the guy he did like that a
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lot immensely like mine, the one when I was with she just like
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give me a Dick. There was no foreplay or was no
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nothing. She's like, give me a Dick.
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Yeah, a lot of it's from the the brain stimulating the brain with
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the women. You know, there was a couple
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that they used to come in into the dungeon about once a month
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and they would always say, hey, you know, we're going to we're
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going to run an ad and they'd run it on fat life.
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And they'd be like, hey, you know, gangbang, blah, blah,
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blah, come fuck my wife. And, you know, he'd want to
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clean her up after. OK, so that's that's their
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prerogative, their choice on that, which is OK.
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But what was interesting was I thought, you know, this whole
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production, you would think she would want to dress up.
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And in truth, you know, she would just like strip off her,
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you know, shorts and AT shirt. And I was like, well, that's not
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really sexy. Yeah, she's just laying there
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going all right, Bring them in. Yeah, she's, she's just running
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the trains, all she running. The trains, yeah.
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And I just, I was like, that's, that's not sexy at all.
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But then we had this other couple, you know, that John
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ended up to get back to that. I'll see.
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I shouldn't have said that one. I'll bring that one.
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She did, yeah. She.
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Wasn't just me, right? I'm pretty proud of myself.
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I haven't said anything. I'm you're good you.
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Are. Good damn.
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So I'll cut to the Jason this one.
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OK. So anyway, so this other couple
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that would come to rent the dungeon, they came and she would
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do a whole production. They would stand in the mud room
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outside of the dungeon door. She would be blindfolded,
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negligee on, you know, 90 with her, with her silk silky robe or
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even a sheer robe, sexy panties. She did the whole thing, you
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know, and it's like, yeah, that's that to me.
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I'm like you. It's it's part of the four.
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It's the allure. It's it's, it is you're building
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up. And that's what that's what I
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love about Ellen. She's going to build it up.
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Yeah. It's not just like, it's like
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she's wearing all of her stuff. And I'm going to.
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You're going to get excited. Yeah.
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And another fun thing about, you know, being a swinger is when
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we're having sex privately in our bedroom, I'll say, oh,
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that's good. Remember that for the next time
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you play with another girl. I want you to do that to her.
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I have to. Take notes.
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Have to stop what I'm doing, get my pad and go that way.
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And you know, whether you're a vanilla or a swinger, it's, it's
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always good to tell your partner exactly what you want.
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So not all the time, but yeah, there was a few weeks ago where
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I, I told my my man, I was like, I want you to go slow.
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I want you to go slow. I want you to take your time.
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I want you to kiss me from head to toe and go slow with me
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because we haven't done that in a while.
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That's true. And, and she's right.
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Because I'm a guy, because those guys are like, Nah, give it to
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me. Yep.
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You did good. You went slow.
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I did good. I did.
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Vanilla or BDSM or whatever, you are telling your partner what
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you what exactly what you want. Not all the time, but.
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It's good, it's a double edged sword guys, but as kinky as we
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are, you better keep some of that shit to yourself that you
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might want them to do because they won't do it.
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What has she not done? I've asked a few things and she
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won't do it, but what's that? Oh God, give me a minute, I'll
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think of them. Give me a minute, I'll spit, I
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mean. She does anal.
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She obviously she does. A lot of anal here lately, I've
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been getting kind of stunned there.
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But once again, that's a double edged sword, guys.
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If it's not planned and it's like, hey, we're doing it out of
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the blue, it gets dirty, it gets dirty.
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So all these movies back to this.
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Shit again? Get back to this shit.
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We didn't even get tell you about the other couple about the
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the other shit story can talk about this one.
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This is going to be a part too, I'm telling you.
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And then I went, yes, well, I thought it was just me.
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So the moral of that story is just because you're in a
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swimming pool does not mean your asshole is clean.
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That was the other story I wanted you all to.
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Tell yeah, yeah, we had a great time with them too.
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Great. They're a great.
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Couple real good people and we did enjoy swimming in the pool
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with them and and having some fun and then we went into the
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house to have some more play time.
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And me and Alan, no matter what, we're going to take a shower.
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There is no ifs, ands and buts about it.
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We're going to shower because. You just can't.
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Make too clean. Yeah, yeah, you need to be
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clean. Hygiene's a big, big, big thing,
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people. Especially with your nose.
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Exactly because I'm cursed because we were having fun.
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And once again I'm sitting there going, what is that God damn
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smell? And then we finally get through
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playing and then Ellen comes up to me afterwards.
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She goes, did you smell that? I did it.
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I did it. I did.
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It. We're even now.
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Let's try it again. She's like, OK, She's like, did
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you smell that, Clark? I'm like, yes.
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What was that? She went.
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It was her butt hole. I was like, what do you mean?
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I got I was eating her out and the next thing I know I could
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smell it and it was her butt hole.
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That's the. Only I think that's the only
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time I've had to stop eating a girl out because I just can't.
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I can't do it when it smells. Like especially you can smell
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it. So that was really bad.
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Yeah, I don't. I don't have a good smeller.
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So the moral of that story is just because you're in a
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swimming pool, that does not mean you are clean.
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Go into before you are playing with your your partner's.
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Go in that shower and. Scrub that asshole.
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That crack real good. And see, that's the thing when
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we were talking about the whole concept of you coming out in
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your lingerie and looking and taking that time, to me that
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says that chick's got a clean vagina and a clean butt hole
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because you take the time to present yourself.
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Well, yes, a lot of these women, they just don't see that
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concept. You know, it's just like foot
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care. You know you got to take care of
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your pretty face. You know you got to have nice
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aspects of all your body and do self-care, especially if you're
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sharing your partner and you're sharing yourself with other
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people. That's right, you.
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Know, yeah, hygiene, hygiene's a big, that's a big, big deal,
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it's a big deal. Yeah, we've had a lot of fun
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with our two years so far of playing with other couples and
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they made a lot of good memories.
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Some of them were no longer saying because of different
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reasons. Some of them are not together
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anymore. We miss it.
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We miss them. But, and those are the ones that
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do the that goes back to the separate room play.
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You notice when the the couples are doing separate play,
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something more likely is wrong with that relationship.
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There's something wrong. They're not.
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Not, not necessarily, but, but the.
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Majority of. Your experience?
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Yeah, majority of our experience though, it's happening.
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Not just separate room, but they go to a different.
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Yeah, they go, they go different places.
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They go see different people. They're like, they're just doing
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their own thing. And I'm like.
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We just haven't seen good to come from it.
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Yes. Nothing good is comfort.
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Nothing good. It's bad.
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But true, it's the actual thing. It just happens, you know?
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I mean, it's the same thing, you know, when I've had swinger
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couples come to see me, they'll see me together.
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And sometimes they'll come by themselves, you know, and
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they'll say, please don't tell my wife or please don't tell my
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husband I was here. And there you go.
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So there's already something wrong.
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There's already something wrong. And that's also a communication.
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If you don't, you don't talk about it.
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It's just going to keep building up, building up, building up
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till something bad is going to happen.
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And we've seen it. I think, you know, when you
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decide to swing, you're either going to, it's either going to
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ruin the marriage because something was already broken, or
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it's going to strengthen it if it's already strong.
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And thank goodness we are in the ladder of that so far, yeah.
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You know what I think too? I think what I've seen with you
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guys. Oh God, I just had a brain fart.
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Hold on. There was something I was going
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to say about couples and meeting couples.
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Oh, I remember what it was. So I have to go back to that
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too, you know. So what I've seen with you all
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in couples is when you have met couples, it has been one of
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those things where it's like, hey, Ellen, you might have to
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take one for the team because you know, she's really hot and
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I'm going to have sex with her, but he's not so hot.
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No, no, that's not true. I've I've told her I was like,
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no, we don't have to. We no, I don't want her to have
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to say I I took one for the team.
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You're going to go fuck that thing.
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No, I'm let that be known right now.
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I've never in history ever said that they're making shit up.
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No. No, I'm just saying it was
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really a hypothetical question. We have one couple where he
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wasn't very attractive and she was very attractive.
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And then I said, Are you sure? And then she wound up liking
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that guy so. Yes, you do.
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Because he's very sweet. He's a very sweet person.
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Yeah, the personality and what and.
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He was submissive, you liked him, you were able to dominate.
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Him. That's true.
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That did change over time, but at first I was like, yeah, I
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could, yeah, I can take that or leave that.
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But. And I called it.
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I said he's a crossdresser. And you're like, no, I'm like,
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yes, he's a crossdresser. Yeah, you were.
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Right. She proved it.
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You were so. We have photos to prove that.
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That's right. Yeah.
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So just those that take their time to get to know one another
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besides just one date, you know, give it just to give it a couple
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of times and see they can change and it can be better.
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Yeah, I I get if you like, you're at a party and you're
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just like, now you're like, OK, let's just bang that couple real
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quick. But if you want to get like make
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good friends, like, and most of them are good friends, you will
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make good friends in this. You will.
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Yeah, you. Can you can.
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Being able to talk about anything sexually that I want to
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talk about within this community, that's I love that
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compared to I have to keep quiet with my vanilla friends, but
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with this community, I can just say whatever the hell I want to.
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You know, and that's the sad part.
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I mean, Clark has been in the military.
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He he went to visit prostitutes in Amsterdam.
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Yep. You know, you've toured
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everywhere, you know, you had a great time.
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You know, military guys, they've seen so much, experience so
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much, and it's not taboo, you know, whereas here we are in the
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South and poor Ellen growing up in this Christian hardcore.
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Life Bible Bible thumping area. Bible thumping, you know, And
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it's like you couldn't even talk about sex with your friends.
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And I mean just traditional sex. And that's just a sad thing.
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Yeah. And the other night I heard I
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had some friends were talking with each other with me around
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and that couple said the guy said we don't have sex enough.
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And she said we have sex once a month.
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That's good. Oh yeah, Oh my God.
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I. Feel so sorry for I feel sorry
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for them because you should be having sex a lot more than once
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a month. Yeah, you should if you're if
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you're having and we have friends that are like that where
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they don't hardly have sex anymore and I'm like, what is
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going on? Yeah, you got fixed that.
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Are you taking them hormones? You get something hormones in
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you buddy. You know what I've noticed too,
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is that you won't. You've lost friends.
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Yes, we have. You know, it's like they figure
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it out at some point or they figure out that, you know,
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you've changed, you know, because you got into the swinger
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community, you lost weight, you look happy.
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I mean, you looked, you know, just really being yourselves.
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So it was like a huge 180, you know?
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We learned to we, we learned it's black and white.
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We we, we don't, we don't go, we don't talk about the sexual
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stuff with our vanilla friends and.
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You have to keep that separate. You cannot it.
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Freaks them out. Yeah, you cannot.
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They can't. They can't handle.
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It they can't handle it. Because they're like, you're
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going to get a divorce. Oh my God, you're getting a
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divorce. It's going to happen.
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Like, no, no, I don't. I don't think we are, you know,
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And they just, they will totally flip out, like I said.
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And I've lost a really good friend because of it.
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It is very crazy. The hard way about that
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situation, we don't, we don't blend fun time with a vanilla.
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Yeah, that's another thing. If you're if you're with a
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swinger couple, you cannot mix swinging and vanilla in the same
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thing. You cannot do it.
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We could, We could. It did not work well for us.
19:59
It ended bad. We lost friends there.
20:02
I mean, it's either you hang out with swinger friends or hang out
20:05
with vanilla friends. You can't mix the both together.
20:08
You can't go, hey, I got some vanilla friends, they're going
20:10
to be here, we're going to hang out.
20:11
It's going to end bad. Yeah, so sad.
20:14
Yeah, but you live when you learn.
20:15
Yeah, don't you? I know.
20:17
That was that was my fault. That wasn't my fault, baby, that
20:20
was I'll. Take the blame that I was high
20:23
and started kissing on that guy and the the.
20:28
With the children there and everything and.
20:30
The teenage daughter, Saul, was like, what's going on, mom?
20:34
No, it wasn't that. It was the other one like, hey,
20:36
I know you guys are into this, but is that OK?
20:38
And I look over, I'm like, Nope, that's fucking not OK.
20:42
Did not mean to cause that trouble.
20:44
Hey, pothead, come here. But it went both ways.
20:48
Because he he should have known to.
20:50
Yeah, but he was. No, hey, they were under the
20:55
influence, but he wasn't under. The influence he.
20:57
He knew better. He wants that.
20:59
He wanted that. The affection part, that's what
21:02
he wanted and that's what Ellen gave him was affection.
21:04
He didn't get it from his from his spouse.
21:07
And what was interesting is the reason why they probably
21:09
connected as well as they did is they were both looking for
21:12
dominant people. Yep.
21:13
So they were both submissive people.
21:15
They didn't want to tell people that they were submissive, but
21:18
she was looking for a Dom male and he wanted a Dom female to
21:22
dress him up. Yep, and that is why they had a
21:25
failed relationship. Yep, and they are separated.
21:27
And it was doomed. It was doomed from the
21:29
beginning. And it wasn't your fault, Alan,
21:31
by any means. It was the fact, again, you
21:34
know, feelings run high, sexual feelings run high with people
21:38
that you're attracted to. And you're in that, that
21:40
environment, you know. Yeah, one of the fun dates we
21:44
had with that couple is I went to a I went to a Journey concert
21:49
with with that guy and my husband went to a bar.
21:55
With Speakeasy. Yeah, it was Speakeasy with his
21:58
wife, so we got to have a fun date, you know that.
22:02
And that's our father's that We've gone as far as doing any
22:05
that wasn't sexual, though, but we, we.
22:06
No. Yeah.
22:07
Together. We met up at the bar and then we
22:09
all went back to the hotel and actually got a noise complaint.
22:13
We did that. That we legit noise complaint
22:16
you. Were fucking that hard?
22:18
Yeah, Oh my God. That was the funnest night with
22:21
that couple. That was that was one of the
22:22
best nights because I went down to do something.
22:24
They're like, are you ever going four or three O 4?
22:26
Yeah, we had a noise complaint on Y'all Like my bag.
22:31
Sorry. That was a really fun night.
22:34
That was a night you peed on his leg.
22:36
Yeah, I thought. I had a lot of I had a lot of
22:39
Scotch that night. He loved it though he.
22:42
Did It was hilarious. He's like Ellen peeing on me.
22:45
And she's like, no, I'm not just getting one in the lab.
22:47
He's like, no, you're really peeing on me.
22:50
And cross dresser. Dessert.
22:51
He's just pissed all down his leg.
22:53
They were in the wet spot anyway, it didn't matter.
23:02
Wow. Yeah, for real.
23:03
Yeah, come in his pants. No, no, his his wife.
23:06
She's a squirter. So that begs off, Yeah.
23:09
Yeah, that's how. There you go.
23:11
So my little Yeah. Anyway, that was a very fun
23:14
night. And that that's an example of.
23:16
That was a fun night have. Some fun with your with a couple
23:19
that you're. We didn't play separate.
23:21
What we did was is we we went on two different dates.
23:25
She got to go. I can't handle large crowds
23:27
because my PTSD. She wants to go to concert.
23:30
So the the bar we went to was not that many people in it was a
23:33
little Speakeasy. It's real nice.
23:34
So she got to go watch a concert.
23:35
I got to have a couple of drinks, just bullshit.
23:37
And then we all got back together and we Diddy mouse to
23:40
the hotel. It was a good one.
23:42
Yeah, so good. Memories.
23:44
Good memories. And those are fun things to do
23:46
if you're going to be the partner, the other person, they
23:48
can't loosen up. Switch partners.
23:50
When you're at wherever y'all are at, just switch.
23:52
Go, OK, you're going to come with me, I'm going to go with
23:54
you and walk around. Do that.
23:55
Now, I know that a lot of the swingers, they do like a meet
23:58
and greet. And I haven't told you all this.
24:00
There is a bar that's out of a hotel downtown, and they meet,
24:06
Yeah, it's at a day's end on Cervantes.
24:09
They meet there. The days on Cervantes, yes.
24:12
They meet there at the bar. A lot of swingers do on certain
24:16
nights of the week. But I gotta quote, how do you
24:18
know that they're I mean, is the one person wearing like the?
24:21
It is posted. I'm going to find the posting
24:23
that I found because I was like, oh, I remember this.
24:27
I, you know, just came across the other day.
24:28
I was thinking about it, but I was thinking, you know, we, we
24:31
have attended Munches together, the three of us for the BDSM.
24:35
Yeah. And what has been our position
24:38
on that? So you've gone to the Munches.
24:41
Have you met people at the Munches?
24:43
We've met people, but we've. Oh, no, we met one couple at one
24:47
of the munches that you did do, the one that you did, the
24:49
restaurant, the Oh yeah, yeah, that was that was the cowboy.
24:53
Yeah, OK. That's the only time we've ever
24:55
met a couple out of much. Oh, yes, yes.
24:58
Yeah, we met Cowboys and she loves her cowboy.
24:59
That's her favorite ones. Cowboy.
25:01
Yeah, yeah, cow. And we're talking about cowboy.
25:04
And when I tell you he's a cowboy, people, he had a Stetson
25:07
hat, big ass belt buckle and huge boots.
25:10
He's a cowboy. He is from.
25:12
Texas, Right A. Cowboy, she rode the shit out of
25:14
him. Well, actually he rode you like
25:16
6 seconds. He was done.
25:17
That's true. That was the funniest thing.
25:20
Like alright so he Ellen got on top of him and he just grabbed
25:26
her like a jackrabbit, took off and then within like radio like
25:30
2 minutes he had his orgasm and then Ellen looked down and goes
25:34
well good for you it was. Like their first time.
25:40
No, they've done it before. It was just he was super
25:42
excited. He was super, super excited.
25:44
It's. Their first time playing No.
25:45
No, they've done, they've had a three-way, remember they had a
25:47
three-way. So he's done it before and.
25:50
It's it's a big deal if if you and I or somebody are a are a
25:54
first for a couple, that's that's a big deal.
25:56
It's important to us. It's like.
25:58
Yeah, cuz I mean, we don't. Take that lightly because we
26:00
remember our first experience. Yeah, but meeting people at the
26:04
munches, unless you're going to like a swingers munch, you could
26:08
probably meet people, but we've gone mostly BDSM ours.
26:11
We meet people through SDC, SLS, pet life.
26:16
You met people in pet life. And your friend, your your
26:19
swingers friends, they might ask ask them to invite you if they
26:23
have a get. Together.
26:24
Yeah, there's a get together. You go to the get togethers.
26:27
SLS, I mean sometimes they, they update their programming and
26:30
that kind of stuff. But is STC, is it easier?
26:33
Is there more people? On there, STC's more people.
26:35
It is OK. STC's more people.
26:37
Yeah, we we took a break from both of them right now because
26:40
you'll get people that'll want to meet, but then they'll never
26:43
get back to you. Yes, that is those of you that
26:46
are trying to start the swingers lifestyle that is a normal for
26:51
them for the couple to start. Strike up a conversation with
26:54
you and then it goes nowhere. Don't.
26:57
That happens a lot. Don't get butt hurt.
26:59
That's pretty normal. Yeah, Yeah.
27:00
I've noticed, you know, when you look at, because I advertise on
27:03
SLS for the parties, that kind of thing.
27:06
But I've noticed that on SLS, I've looked at different
27:09
profiles. There's always people on there.
27:11
It's like they only want to show pictures of the wife, you know,
27:15
or they'll say on their profile, you know, this is what we do,
27:18
this is how it is, you know, you know, leave it at that.
27:21
You know, they're very strict on the rules or they're not, you
27:24
know. Yeah, and if there's a couple
27:26
that reaches out to you on SLS or STC, it's a couple picture
27:30
and the guy is talking to you and, and he says Oh well, my, my
27:34
wife cannot make it, but I can. But I.
27:36
Can. Oh yeah, that happens.
27:37
A that is a that is a single. That's a single guy.
27:42
Oh yes. We've had that's had like three
27:44
or four times. Yeah.
27:46
Like. Crazy and like we'll get a date
27:48
to show we're going to meet and everything and then all of a
27:50
sudden he'll oh by the way, my wife can't make it, but I can
27:54
still come and we all have a good time and we're like and
27:57
fuck off. Wow, that's so crazy.
28:00
Well, yeah, scammer. A scammer.
28:02
Scammer is a scammer. It's that.
28:03
Yeah. I'm glad you remember.
28:05
That another thing we've noticed with swingers is when you go to
28:08
parties, don't again again don't get butt hurt if you try are
28:13
trying to meet swinger couples because they're.
28:15
Cliquish. Yeah, they're cliquish.
28:16
Like if they don't want to talk, they don't want to talk to you
28:19
at a party. A lot of these couples will go
28:22
ahead and have another couple to go with them so they don't feel
28:25
left out. And it's not necessarily that
28:28
you've done anything wrong, they just they've already got their
28:30
little. They've got their core group.
28:32
Yeah, they got their core group established, so don't let that.
28:35
You got it. You got to try to get in the
28:37
group, but you can't even really get in to talk to him.
28:40
It's like they're celebrities, you know?
28:42
That's how it is. It's like we've done many of
28:44
them like that. I'm like, well fuck you.
28:46
Yeah, I've noticed like I'll go on there and they're like, Oh
28:49
yeah, we're on the boat. We're on Crab Island or we're
28:52
here we're and it's like what, You know, it's like, I hate to
28:56
break it to them, but not everybody has a boat and not
28:59
everybody wants to go out to Crab Island.
29:00
You know, it's like to me, they're kind of narrowing down
29:03
their their their dating pool there.
29:06
You. Know it's hard.
29:08
It's it's not easy to get a couple to talk to you get a date
29:12
and time set and actually get together.
29:14
But if you get, if you can get to those, if you can get through
29:16
those steps, you got a good chance.
29:19
You get that first date, you got a good chance.
29:20
It's going to work out. It's not.
29:22
It's not easy peasy. OK, so two things I want to
29:25
bring up. So it's really interesting that
29:28
you talk about the whole single man being a scammer.
29:30
Yeah. Oh, and they're good.
29:32
But you know, what's interesting though, is it's sad because
29:35
there's good single guys out there, you know, but they, they
29:39
get overcharged at parties. You know, they'll definitely
29:42
overcharge them if they're single, they're coming stag or
29:45
if they're just coming to stag in general.
29:47
But their regular, their regular swinger, you know, they can't go
29:50
on boat cruises, they can't do a lot of things.
29:53
And it's kind of sad because you know, it's like if your
29:55
partner's, you know, you know, breaks up with you, for example,
29:58
you're kind of fucked in a sense.
30:02
So the other thing I was going to bring up was, wow, see, I'm
30:07
doing it. I'm thinking, what was it?
30:09
Because you'd said something about meeting somebody and just
30:12
like the three steps of like. Getting it's not.
30:14
It's not easy. It's hard.
30:16
I remember what it was. You all like The Golden Girls
30:19
porn? Yes, and then love The Golden
30:22
Girls porn. Yeah.
30:24
When you not quite your Golden Girls, that's what it's called.
30:27
OK, what was the funniest part about that was when you all said
30:31
that you met these people and they were older, but you've met
30:35
couples who have been older and you're cool with that.
30:38
They're over 50, right? Plus, but they don't tell you
30:41
that their guy is impotent. Oh yeah, yeah.
30:45
That fucking happens You. All, all the time.
30:47
Well, and this I think what is the age group that we we're over
30:50
50 all right, we're over 50. So our the the pool that we get
30:54
to pull from is the guys are 55566062 and for for the girls,
31:01
like I could, I could tell them all the time.
31:03
It's easier for y'all. Y'all gotta either put a little
31:05
oil down there and here you go. But us we gotta fucking.
31:10
We know people that do the shots.
31:12
Yeah, they do. To try and the Dick you got
31:15
some. Stories on that.
31:16
That one too. And like, so we got to perform
31:18
and it's it's hard for us sometimes because when we can't
31:21
perform, what once we start, once we get something in our
31:24
head and we can't get it out. Well, your Dick is done, guys
31:27
and everybody, every older guy knows that you're like, oh, fuck
31:31
is down and you try to get it back up.
31:35
Sometimes it'll come back up and it won't.
31:37
It's just it's but yeah, we've, we've met a lot of couples like
31:42
that. We're starting out, he's good.
31:44
And then for about 5 minutes and then and then he's down and I'm
31:50
like on the inside, I'm giggling.
31:51
I'm not gonna lie. I'm like my ass off.
31:54
I am. But I'm like, oh, I'm sorry
31:56
sweetie. Mine worked just fine, thank.
32:01
You. I love it when you told me you
32:04
went to go meet these people at their house and they were the
32:07
older couple and. Our golden girl.
32:09
Your golden girl and Clark was like, yeah, she baked us cookies
32:13
and made us lunch. She sure.
32:14
Did that was. Great.
32:16
Oh my God, I was like, I'm going to bang my grandma.
32:20
Now her, her guy, his Dick worked.
32:25
Yeah, but what did you? Do soft swat with them.
32:28
What did you do to them, Alan? I'm trying to get there.
32:33
We had oral with them and I did bring my sex toys and all and I
32:38
sucked his balls too hard. Just just Ellen has a fetish
32:41
where she pulls on the balls just a little too hard.
32:44
I. Really like it.
32:45
I can take it, but I've heard of many guys come to me like, like,
32:48
dude, she can't be doing that to me no more.
32:50
That hurt, that that hurts. What was it?
32:54
The One Cup we were with? He walked over here.
32:55
Look, I know you can pull Clark's nuts across the room,
32:57
but you cannot do that in the mind.
32:59
Please don't do that again. I should look at him and go
33:02
pussy, yeah. Right.
33:08
Pussy, that is awesome. But yeah, he, he, he claimed
33:11
like for two weeks that his nuts were hurting him.
33:13
Oh there again this is a life experience and so I learned with
33:16
other guys to go. So how hard can I suck your
33:19
balls? Well, it's not like you're
33:20
grabbing them and like holding them in a bunch and pulling on
33:22
them. You're just sucking on a.
33:23
Ball, you don't do a Mia Yeah time of the base and then pull
33:28
that rope up between their asshole and their cheeks.
33:31
So. Damn.
33:32
Yeah, I would be tapping out there.
33:38
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Getting nothing for guys that
33:42
that we got. It's hard for us because we're
33:44
older now. We're not, we're not 182535.
33:48
We're in our 50s now. And like I remember mine didn't
33:52
work that one time. I was freaking out and.
33:55
That's why and then say they want to do a, they want to play
33:58
in a separate room so they don't have to focus on the other
34:01
woman. I don't know.
34:02
I don't I. Don't remember, we played with a
34:04
couple. We were in the same room and I
34:07
was having fun with with his wife and he said he couldn't
34:09
perform because she was having fun and it wasn't.
34:12
It wasn't from a lack of you sucking his Dick.
34:14
That was like, and that did not make sense to us because it's
34:17
the opposite for us. We get more turned on when we
34:20
see each other getting pleasure from the other people.
34:23
Yeah, so. Yeah, yeah, it that that blew my
34:26
mind. And they were like, can we do
34:28
separate play next time? And Speaking of fun, easy things
34:31
to try with with couples on a date, if you one thing we've
34:35
done too is we've met the couple at the place and then we swapped
34:40
partners before we went inside the restaurant and sat down and
34:45
pretended that the other person is your partner.
34:48
That's a lot of fun because the waitresses one time the waitress
34:51
looked at my husband and the and the other woman said y'all just
34:55
make the cutest little couple and I was.
34:57
Just no, don't we? It was.
34:59
Really fun SO. I would go, OK honey, what you
35:02
want to get? So they're trying.
35:05
That's fun too, swapping before you go inside the restaurant.
35:08
And they can also like take pressure off a new couples.
35:11
We had to do that with Cowboy. Yes, we did that with Cowboy to
35:14
loosen, loosen them up, especially loosen her up to get
35:17
her to loosen up. Yeah, that's.
35:19
True, and all it took for that was me to show her a bunch of
35:20
videos of us fucking. So that worked.
35:22
She got ready, that was about it.
35:24
That got her pants. Cowboy was like, what do you
35:26
mean you saw fucking and shit? I didn't see anything.
35:29
He showed me everything. Oh.
35:36
My God, you guys are. Hilarious.
35:39
I think that's a great way to end this.
35:42
I think that you have, you've really opened a lot of eyes and
35:46
ears to what you could potentially do as swingers.
35:48
And I, I really say this all the time.
35:50
I'm like you guys are the perfect example of a fun couple,
35:53
you know. And like you said, you take it
35:55
very serious and you communicate very well about it and it just
35:58
works out well. Well.
36:00
Thank you. But like I said, we've, we
36:02
mostly, I, we make mistakes and we learn from it and we just do
36:05
the best we can with it. You know, potato.
36:08
Potato. Yeah, you know who cares?
36:12
I want to know on the record that I have not made a mistake
36:14
yet. It's it's, it's been Ellen 99%
36:18
of the time. Ellen cannot control herself
36:21
when she does things. I literally have to pull her
36:25
back something I'm like, whoa or sea bass, slow down.
36:30
Yeah, I know that. That's what gets us in trouble
36:32
sometimes, too. They're not swingers.
36:35
I don't know what you're doing over there.
36:36
They're not swingers. You notice you got to convert
36:41
them. You know, you're, you're like
36:42
working for the Church of the swingers.
36:44
That's right. You know, you got to convert,
36:46
you know, like, like we're a bunch of Jehovah's Witness.
36:48
We're going to go to their door and be like, hey.
36:50
Well, we we got one, one couple that are friends that she's
36:53
converted but he's not. Yes.
36:56
Awesome, She would do it in high Zen.
36:58
He won't do it. I'm.
36:59
Working on that one step at a time.
37:01
That's so awesome. Thank you for having us.
37:03
Thank you for joining us. You're welcome.
37:06
Fun we always we always love having spending time with you,
37:09
our sweet friends. Oh, Ditto.
37:12
Ditto, Ellen. Thanks, Clark.
37:15
So fun. All right, so until then, may
37:18
all your fantasies become realities.