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Onboard an Extraterrestrial Craft: Five Fantastic Firsthand Cases · UFOS & PARANORMAL WITH PRESTON DENNETT

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Speaker 1: Hello everyone. My name is Preston Dennitt, and thank you
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Speaker 1: for joining me for a new episode of UFOs and
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Speaker 1: the Paranormal of a very special episode for you today.
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Speaker 1: It's a nice long one all about onboard UFO encounters.
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Speaker 1: This one is called onboard in Extraterrestrial Craft. Five fantastic
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Speaker 1: first hand cases. I love this aspect of UFO encounters.
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Speaker 1: I think it's the cutting edge of UFO research. It's
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Speaker 1: cases like these that are absolutely undeniable. People could not
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Speaker 1: possibly be misperceiving because they are actually inside these craft.
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Speaker 1: The five cases I've chosen for you today are extraordinarily
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Speaker 1: extensive and every single one of them, the witnesses received
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Speaker 1: quite a bit of information. Some of them actually hold
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Speaker 1: fairly long conversations with the ets. And also, of these
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Speaker 1: five cases, three are multiple witness cases, and really another
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Speaker 1: one does have an outside witness, so one technically is
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Speaker 1: just a single witness case. These cases do come from
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Speaker 1: quite a wide variety of areas, including Minnesota, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Mexico,
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Speaker 1: and Chile. I really am very interested in these kinds
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Speaker 1: of cases. I think they contain the most information. They
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Speaker 1: really answer a lot of the questions that surround this subject,
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Speaker 1: such as who are these ets, where do they come from?
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Speaker 1: And why are they here? And Yeah, these cases are very,
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Speaker 1: very extensive and do involve a wide variety of extraterrestrial types.
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Speaker 1: So let's just get started. In the first case I'd
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Speaker 1: like to talk about I call I Have No Fear.
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Speaker 1: This when occurred in February four, nineteen seventy four, in
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Speaker 1: a very remote area of Sonora, Mexico. This involves a
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Speaker 1: family of three who were taken on board. It was
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Speaker 1: initially shrouded in missing time, but after a hypnosis session,
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Speaker 1: the details came back and it's quite an extraordinary case
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Speaker 1: with some really profound revelations from the ets. This case
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Speaker 1: comes from doctor Leo Sprinkle and it first appeared in
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Speaker 1: his private publication The Proceedings of the Rocky Mountain Contactee Conference.
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Speaker 1: This case involves a family a father, mother, and son,
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Speaker 1: all of who shared an on board encounter. They are
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Speaker 1: anonymous and are known only by their initials RD, GD,
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Speaker 1: and MD. For the purposes of this video, I will
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Speaker 1: call him Roger, Mary and David. David is the son
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Speaker 1: and he was thirteen years old at the time of
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Speaker 1: this encounter. The three of them were on vacation in Sonora, Mexia,
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Speaker 1: and in February of nineteen seventy four, they decided to
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Speaker 1: visit the remote and somewhat primitive Indian village called El
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Speaker 1: de Semboc. This is located along the Gulf of California
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Speaker 1: in the middle of the Snorn Desert, which is quite vast.
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Speaker 1: So to get there, they left the town of Coborca
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Speaker 1: and headed southwest towards this village, then began to drive
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Speaker 1: through the back country. They drove throughout the day, and
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Speaker 1: when night arrived, they found themselves in the middle of nowhere,
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Speaker 1: with the nearest ranch about thirty miles away. There were
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Speaker 1: still quite some distance from this village, so they parked
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Speaker 1: their truck at the foot of a small rocky hill,
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Speaker 1: cooked dinner over a campfire, and went to bed in
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Speaker 1: the campershell on the back of their pickup truck. It
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Speaker 1: was about two hours later, again on the night of
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Speaker 1: February fourth, nineteen seventy four, that something very strange happened
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Speaker 1: to them, And I'll just quote the father Roger directly,
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Speaker 1: as he as we were jolted awake by beeping noises
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Speaker 1: that sounded electronic. The noises were clear and sharp about
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Speaker 1: one second apart. We looked out of the windows to
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Speaker 1: locate the source of the noise. The night was clear
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Speaker 1: and moonlit, but because of the heavy desert brush, we
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Speaker 1: could see only forty or fifty feet. The beeping continued.
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Speaker 1: So Roger wondered if this beeping noise was because he
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Speaker 1: had forgotten to turn off the radio or the CB
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Speaker 1: in his truck. But he checked them and both were off.
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Speaker 1: So he wondered then if perhaps they weren't as isolated
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Speaker 1: as he thought, and that there might be some kind
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Speaker 1: of relay station near their camp. He vowed to check
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Speaker 1: the next morning, but throughout the night he awoke a
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Speaker 1: few times to still hear this strange beeping noise. Now,
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Speaker 1: the next morning, he and his son climbed up to
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Speaker 1: the top of this small rocky hill, and there was
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Speaker 1: nothing visible for miles around them except the vast, featureless
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Speaker 1: sonor and desert. Now. Weirdly, as they ate breakfast, Roger's
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Speaker 1: wife Mary announced out of the blue that she felt
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Speaker 1: as though that they had perhaps been visited by a
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Speaker 1: UFO that night. She had no reason to say that,
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Speaker 1: but later that morning she began her menstruation cycle. This
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Speaker 1: was sudden and unexpected, and that was it, or so
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Speaker 1: they thought. But as Roger says, we sometimes wondered about
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Speaker 1: the strange events of that night in the desert. But
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Speaker 1: how does one find answers to this type of question?
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Speaker 1: Had we been visited by UFOs? It was five and
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Speaker 1: a half years later that Roger felt compelled to write
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Speaker 1: to research her Leonard Stringfield, and he asked him in
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Speaker 1: his letter, do you ever hear about beeping noises in
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Speaker 1: connection with UFOs? Stringfield requested a meeting with the family,
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Speaker 1: and after meeting with them, he suggested hypnotic regression, so
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Speaker 1: they all agreed to give it a try. Hypnosis they
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Speaker 1: remembered an on board experience. Roger recalled that all three
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Speaker 1: of them woke up with a sense of anxiety. Then,
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Speaker 1: without warning, four or five short figures appeared and began
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Speaker 1: to walk around the back of their truck. As Roger says,
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Speaker 1: they were about four feet tall and dressed in spacesuits
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Speaker 1: with helmets. One of the figures places his face against
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Speaker 1: the right side of the window. The face has slanted eyes,
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Speaker 1: so this was under hypnosis. And the next thing Roger
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Speaker 1: recalled seeing under hypnosis was a blindingly bright light in
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Speaker 1: front of him, slightly above the ground. Two of these
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Speaker 1: little short figures are leading him by his elbows towards
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Speaker 1: this light. The next thing he knows he is underneath it, and,
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Speaker 1: as Roger says, it is huge. The body of the
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Speaker 1: craft is at least fifteen feet above the ground. The
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Speaker 1: bottom is curved. Four legs arched down and support the craft.
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Speaker 1: Something is still at each elbow, guiding me. A stairway
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Speaker 1: extends from the belly of the craft to the ground.
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Speaker 1: We walk towards it. Now. Roger was feeling some fear
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Speaker 1: at this time, But the next thing he knows he's
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Speaker 1: actually inside this craft, and all of his fear was
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Speaker 1: gone again. As Roger says in his own words, I
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Speaker 1: am walking up a curved stairway. I have been in
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Speaker 1: the craft for some time. For the first time I
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Speaker 1: experience color. Everything is light blue. Also, for the first time,
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Speaker 1: I have lost my fear. I neither fear for myself
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Speaker 1: nor from my wife or son, who are not with me.
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Speaker 1: I must explain the blue. Everything is made of a
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Speaker 1: material that is solid but which is somewhat translucent. I
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Speaker 1: am standing in a room. Everything is still blue. To
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Speaker 1: my right. The structural ribs of the craft come out
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Speaker 1: of the floor and the wall an arch overhead. In
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Speaker 1: the wall is a rectangle of very dark blue about
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Speaker 1: two feet by three feet. I think it is a
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Speaker 1: star map, as I can see many yellow dots on it.
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Speaker 1: By my left side is a desk attached to a
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Speaker 1: vertical wall. Before me is the fuzzy outline of a
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Speaker 1: man about my size. I feel that he is the
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Speaker 1: commander of the craft. I have no fear of this man.
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Speaker 1: I think of my wife and son, but also have
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Speaker 1: no fear for them. I am quite content to be here.
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Speaker 1: So at this point Roger knew he was having a
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Speaker 1: very strange experience, and he stared at the star map
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Speaker 1: and tried real hard to memorize it, but he found
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Speaker 1: that it all became a blur in his mind. It
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Speaker 1: was at this point that the commander of this craft
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Speaker 1: gave Roger a message. As Roger says, he doesn't actually
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Speaker 1: speak to me, but I know what he is saying.
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Speaker 1: The picture he gives me mentally is indefinite black and white.
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Speaker 1: The skyscrapers are all black. Behind them, the sky is
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Speaker 1: a brilliant white. I think no, I know it is
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Speaker 1: an atomic explosion. I think the place is New York,
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Speaker 1: but I am not sure. The picture is a warning.
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Speaker 1: So the figure continued to speak telepathically to Roger, and
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Speaker 1: as he says, there is another message. The figure tells
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Speaker 1: me that my wife and I are handling our chore correctly.
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Speaker 1: I think he means about building the cabin and storing
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Speaker 1: food there. So throughout this hypnosis session, Roger did experience
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Speaker 1: lapses of awareness. The next thing he knew he was
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Speaker 1: back in this same room with the Commander again, trying
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Speaker 1: to study the star map and remember it. He did
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Speaker 1: recall seeing three stars on the left side with sort
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Speaker 1: of tails trailing behind them, but the commander then told
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Speaker 1: him to forget the map, as that was not why
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Speaker 1: he was here. He then showed him another unusual looking map,
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Speaker 1: which lay on the desk beside them. Miss Roger says,
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Speaker 1: I feel that it has been there all the time,
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Speaker 1: and if I hadn't been looking at the star map,
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Speaker 1: I would have noticed it. The map on the table
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Speaker 1: is one of the reasons for me being here. The
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Speaker 1: Commander is now beside me. We are leaning over the
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Speaker 1: desk studying the map. He is now less fuzzy. He
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Speaker 1: is wearing tight red pants, the rest of him is
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Speaker 1: still unclear. I recognize the region of the map. It
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Speaker 1: is the Eastern Mediterranean area. There are two regions on
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Speaker 1: the map that impress me, the Fertile Crescent and North
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Speaker 1: of the Black Sea. The map is strange. As I
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Speaker 1: look at it one time, it is very detailed with
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Speaker 1: the names of each city, village, and mountain range, and
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Speaker 1: is in color. But as I look at it again,
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Speaker 1: it is very plain, with only the Fertile Crescent and
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Speaker 1: the Black Sea outlined. It is as though these are
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Speaker 1: the important points he wants me to see. Roger didn't
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Speaker 1: notice an X located at the extreme top the Fertile Crescent,
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Speaker 1: at which point the et told him quote an important
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Speaker 1: battle will be fought there. As Roger says, I am
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Speaker 1: surprised because I think the next battle in that region
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Speaker 1: would be fought on one of the borders of Israel.
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Speaker 1: The battle will triggle a later battle or catastrophe. When
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Speaker 1: the first battle occurs, we should prepare.
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Speaker 2: Then.
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Speaker 1: The commander points to an area north of the Black Sea.
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Speaker 1: On a river is a dot with a dark circle
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Speaker 1: around it and the word Kiev. The commander tells me
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Speaker 1: that this is by far the most dangerous place. I
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Speaker 1: picture rockets coming from there, but that may not be
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Speaker 1: the true picture. I also picture an assassination. The commander
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Speaker 1: says that bad things are happening in Kiev and I
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Speaker 1: must stop them. So at this point Roger protested and
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Speaker 1: told the man quote, I know nothing of Russia and
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Speaker 1: have absolutely no control over what happens there, Roger. The
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Speaker 1: man seemed to become irritated and told him if the
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Speaker 1: bad things are not stopped, a catastrophic war will occur.
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Speaker 1: Roger then asked when, and the man replied in six years.
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Speaker 1: That is really all Roger was able to recall. He
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Speaker 1: woke up the next morning with no memory of the
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Speaker 1: event other than that strange beeping noise. Now, his wife Mary,
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Speaker 1: also went under hypnosis, and she could remember very little. Really,
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Speaker 1: the only memory she was able to bring back was
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Speaker 1: standing alone under the craft and looking up at the
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Speaker 1: open hatch. Now, their son, David, aged thirteen, did recall
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Speaker 1: some impressions of the interior of the craft. He said
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Speaker 1: he saw a being with an abnormally long head, huge eyes,
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Speaker 1: grayskin about four feet tall. He also recalled seeing a
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Speaker 1: sort of crystalline device, which she said showed him letters
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Speaker 1: that he felt he was supposed to learn. Now, the
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Speaker 1: catastrophic event that the e told Roger about that was
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Speaker 1: supposed to occur six years later was supposed to occur
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Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty. Interestingly, the Iran Iraq conflict escalated into
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Speaker 1: outright war in September of nineteen eighty and endured for
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Speaker 1: almost eight years, finally ending in August of nineteen eighty
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Speaker 1: eight with no clear winner but the loss of over
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Speaker 1: a half million lives. Now, following this hypnosis session, Roger
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Speaker 1: and his family are really still left with more questions
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Speaker 1: than answers, As Roger says, were my wife, my son
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Speaker 1: and I actually taken on board a UFO that night
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Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy four, or did my son and I
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Speaker 1: create for ourselves the story. I've asked myself this question
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Speaker 1: countless times. What an amazing case that is, and you
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Speaker 1: can see how profoundly it affected the witnesses for a
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Speaker 1: very long time. I know there are people who are
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Speaker 1: skeptical that cases like these even take place, but the
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Speaker 1: fact is there are so many cases. It's not just
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Speaker 1: one or two, or ten or twenty, or even one
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Speaker 1: hundred or one thousand. It's closer to tens of thousands,
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Speaker 1: with good indications that there are millions of these kinds
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Speaker 1: of cases, and when there's a multiple witness case becomes
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Speaker 1: even harder to deny. But you can see that witnesses
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Speaker 1: themselves struggled with this, with what happened to them, and
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Speaker 1: you can understand why. If they themselves have a hard
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Speaker 1: time understanding and processing and experience like this, I think
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Speaker 1: it's just as hard for people who haven't had that experience.
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Speaker 1: This is why I like doing this research, because I
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Speaker 1: think these cases are important. A lot of people out
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Speaker 1: there are having these encounters, and I think the evidence
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Speaker 1: for them is increasingly undeniable. Because here's another case equally
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Speaker 1: astonishing and also a multiple witness case. This is another
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Speaker 1: one you probably haven't heard before. I think most of
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Speaker 1: the cases in this episode you probably haven't heard. I'd
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Speaker 1: be surprised if you did. But this one is amazing.
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Speaker 1: I call it. I had a role to play. This
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Speaker 1: one occurred some evening in June of nineteen seventy five
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Speaker 1: in Minong, Wisconsin, and yeah, a multiple in this case
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Speaker 1: involving a young, newly engaged couple who had initially a
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Speaker 1: missing time encounter, started out flashbacks and did elect to
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Speaker 1: go under hypnosis. Now, I know hypnosis is controversial, but
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Speaker 1: what's really interesting is these people are recalling essentially the
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Speaker 1: same details and done correctly, hypnosis has been shown to
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Speaker 1: be able to accurately retrieve people's memories at any rate.
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Speaker 1: I think you'll find this case quite interesting because once
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Speaker 1: again the witnesses did receive some very compelling information from
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Speaker 1: the eties. It was a wonderful day in June nineteen
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Speaker 1: seventy five for Dennis Mroska and Karen Cleaner. The young
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Speaker 1: couple was deeply in love and Dennis had just proposed
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Speaker 1: to Karen. She of course accepted his proposal, and they
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Speaker 1: decided to take a short drive around a small lake
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Speaker 1: near Minong, Wisconsin that evening. And as they're driving around
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Speaker 1: this little lake, this is when they noticed that the
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Speaker 1: moon was very low in the sky. Then suddenly, without warning,
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Speaker 1: it was gone. So this was very puzzling to them.
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Speaker 1: As Karen says, there was no cloud cover or anything.
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Speaker 1: So we were very confused. We were like, what happened?
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Speaker 1: Where did it go? So they drove back to this
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Speaker 1: cabin where they were staying with Dennis's mother and a
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Speaker 1: few other family members and friends. They then walked down
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Speaker 1: to a small pier by the lake, and this is
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Speaker 1: when a UFO appeared. As Karen says, all of a sudden,
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Speaker 1: something that looked like a bright orange zipped above the
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Speaker 1: trees over our heads and began to dart around in
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Speaker 1: diagonals from one end of the horizon to the other,
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Speaker 1: like a falling leaf. This bright orange star that was
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Speaker 1: along the horizon of the trees on the other side
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Speaker 1: of the lake zipped right to the top of our heads,
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Speaker 1: and we looked up. There were two other identical objects
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Speaker 1: that appeared. Her fiance Dennis, confirms this as he says,
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Speaker 1: there was one starlik object. It was a little bit
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Speaker 1: brighter than a star, kind of an orange color that
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Speaker 1: seemed to stand out from the others a bit. I
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Speaker 1: really didn't think anything of it at the time, but
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Speaker 1: my focus kept going back and forth to that particular object,
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Speaker 1: and after a while I noticed some odd things about it.
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Speaker 1: I think the best way I could describe the flight
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Speaker 1: is like that of a dragonfly. Would zip here, stop,
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Speaker 1: zip here, stop, zip, zip zip zip real fast, and
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Speaker 1: I was like, what are we watching? I was fascinated
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Speaker 1: by it. I just didn't want to stop looking at it.
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Speaker 1: I was just glued to it. And we finally started
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Speaker 1: calling my folks down from the cabin so they could watch.
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Speaker 1: So they did that, and now all six adults watched
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Speaker 1: as these objects moved closer and appeared larger and larger.
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Speaker 1: All of them were amazed to see what appeared to
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Speaker 1: be a single object split into three and then rejoin
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Speaker 1: as one. At this point, one of the witnesses pulled
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Speaker 1: out a high beam lantern and flashed it four times
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Speaker 1: at one of the objects, which responded by flashing exactly
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Speaker 1: four beams of light onto the ground. So that impressed them.
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Speaker 1: They flashed the lantern again in a certain sequence, and
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Speaker 1: the craft returned the flashes in the same exact sequence.
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Speaker 1: So they realized at this point that they were seeing
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Speaker 1: something very unusual. Dennis's mother, in particular, became quite afraid,
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Speaker 1: hysterical with fear, and started screaming, they're going to kill us.
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Speaker 1: As Dennis says, my mother was a little scared. By
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Speaker 1: this time, we knew we were watching something that we
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Speaker 1: had no explanation for. It was really strange and definitely
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Speaker 1: appeared to be intelligently controlled. After just a few minutes,
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Speaker 1: the objects moved off behind some trees and were gone.
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Speaker 1: The sighting, they estimated, lasted about a half an hour,
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Speaker 1: but as Karen says, then we went back in and
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Speaker 1: drank a bottle of wine. They talked about what they
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Speaker 1: had seen, and everyone confirmed each other's testimony. They all
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Speaker 1: described seeing the exact same thing, says Karen. We looked
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Speaker 1: around everywhere the next day, but never found anything. So
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Speaker 1: that was it, or so they thought. And as time
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Speaker 1: passed they never gave much thought to the sighting other
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Speaker 1: than it was unexplained. As the years went by, they
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Speaker 1: did occasionally discuss it, and one thing that puzzled them
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Speaker 1: was the apparent disappearance of the moon. They knew it
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Speaker 1: had been hanging low in the sky and then suddenly
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Speaker 1: it was gone, and in fact, during the sighting with
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Speaker 1: the rest of their family, the moon had apparently already set.
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Speaker 1: And the more they thought about this, the timeline just
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Speaker 1: didn't make sense. What happened to the time between when
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Speaker 1: the moon was in the sky and when it was gone.
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Speaker 1: As Karen says, we figured it would take at least
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Speaker 1: an hour and a half for the moon to set
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Speaker 1: from the angle we saw it at before it instantly disappeared,
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Speaker 1: and so at the very least, there was an hour
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Speaker 1: of time that elapsed where we were unaccounted for. When
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Speaker 1: both of us finally discussed this two years ago, this
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Speaker 1: was nineteen ninety four, and realized what had happened, I
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Speaker 1: felt almost nauseated at the thought of it. It was
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Speaker 1: around this time that Karen heard about the so called
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Speaker 1: Aligash abduction case, investigated by Raymond Fowler. He wrote a
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Speaker 1: book about it. This occurred actually in June of nineteen
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Speaker 1: seventy five in Maine, the same time as Karen and
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Speaker 1: Dennis's encounter. The Aligash case four men who saw three
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Speaker 1: objects on a rural lake in Upper main They also
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Speaker 1: experienced about an hour of missing time. They also had
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Speaker 1: shown a flashlight at the object. So hearing all this,
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Speaker 1: Karen was really struck by the similarities to her own encounter.
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Speaker 1: Karen says, after first seeing this, I felt sick. I thought,
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Speaker 1: oh my god, the case has such eerie similarities to
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Speaker 1: our story, and that's what prompted me to see a hypnotherapist.
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Speaker 1: They reported seeing the exact same things we did. Now
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Speaker 1: years later, she and Denis had divorced and they hadn't
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Speaker 1: spoken for a year, except to handle the custody of
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Speaker 1: their child. But apparently Dennis also saw this same program
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Speaker 1: about the Aligash case, and the next time he saw
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Speaker 1: his ex wife Karen, he brought up their encounter and
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Speaker 1: asked her if she might consider hypnosis. So they both
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Speaker 1: agreed to contact the Center for UFO Studies. They were
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Speaker 1: referred to a psychotherapist by the name of David Clayton, PhD.
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Speaker 1: He agreed to see them. They scheduled an appointment, and
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Speaker 1: doctor Clayton said he would hypnotize them. Doctor Clayton had
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Speaker 1: initially been very skeptical of such claims of onboard encounters,
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Speaker 1: but he said that after the sessions he became much
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Speaker 1: more convinced. Now, Dennis did originally insist upon being anonymous.
22:26
Speaker 1: He's a physics teacher at a big school. He didn't
22:29
Speaker 1: want to discuss the experience publicly, but more recently he
22:32
Speaker 1: has gone public and under hypnosis. He recalled that while
22:36
Speaker 1: driving around the lake, a very bright light shone down
22:40
Speaker 1: on their car. As Dennis says, we both got these
22:44
Speaker 1: images of a grid like pattern, almost a primitive type
22:47
Speaker 1: of structure, almost like a dirigible or something. Now, Dennis
22:51
Speaker 1: couldn't recall much other than that, but he was left
22:54
Speaker 1: with the sense that the encounter was benevolent in nature
22:58
Speaker 1: and did involve a message of war. Now, Karen is
23:02
Speaker 1: also a teacher. Under hypnosis, she recalled that when this
23:06
Speaker 1: light hit her car, it was so intense she thought
23:09
Speaker 1: she had actually fainted, and going under hypnosis was a
23:13
Speaker 1: huge turning point for her. It was very frightening for her,
23:17
Speaker 1: and it took multiple sessions to remember what happened. But
23:20
Speaker 1: as Karen says, there was a feeling of being enveloped
23:23
Speaker 1: by an intense white beam. I was facing a form
23:27
Speaker 1: that had static electricity around it. I received messages telepathically
23:32
Speaker 1: of what it was trying to convey. The message was
23:36
Speaker 1: that the world was on the verge of an environmental
23:39
Speaker 1: catastrophe and I had a role to play in the
23:42
Speaker 1: rebuilding process. They told me they weren't going to allow
23:46
Speaker 1: the people to destroy themselves. They told me to feel
23:49
Speaker 1: free to tell anyone I wanted to tell about it,
23:52
Speaker 1: but to be forewarned that I would not be taken seriously,
23:56
Speaker 1: which generally happens to be the case. So that's all
23:59
Speaker 1: Karen really tells about what happened. She did share her
24:02
Speaker 1: experience with family members who are understandably shocked, and, as
24:06
Speaker 1: Karen says, whenever I've brought it up, my parents get
24:10
Speaker 1: funny looks on their faces and they kind of get
24:12
Speaker 1: squirmy and try to change the subject right away. I
24:16
Speaker 1: don't discuss it with them anymore because they're so judgmental
24:19
Speaker 1: about it. They're kind of like, aren't you taking this
24:23
Speaker 1: kind of flower? So both Karen and Dennis agree that
24:26
Speaker 1: the purpose of the encounter was not to hurt them,
24:28
Speaker 1: but actually to help humankind. Both came away from the
24:32
Speaker 1: experience with the same message that the fate of the
24:35
Speaker 1: planet is intertwined with other alien worlds and that the
24:39
Speaker 1: people of Earth are not doing a good job taking
24:42
Speaker 1: care of Earth. Karen does have some advice for other
24:45
Speaker 1: people who are going through this experience, as she says,
24:48
Speaker 1: if you feel that this has happened to you, by
24:51
Speaker 1: all means, do whatever it takes to uncover the information,
24:55
Speaker 1: as it's worth the risk. Karen hopes that by coming
24:58
Speaker 1: forward it will cocourage other people to share their own
25:01
Speaker 1: experiences with UFOs and extraterrestrials. Now, if you wait to
25:06
Speaker 1: the end of this video, you can see Karen and
25:11
Speaker 1: Dennis tell their story in their own words. There's a
25:16
Speaker 1: testimony at the very end of this episode, so if
25:19
Speaker 1: you get a chance, check that out. A really amazing case,
25:22
Speaker 1: and kudos to both the witnesses for having the courage
25:26
Speaker 1: and strength to step forward, because again most don't. I
25:30
Speaker 1: do hope you check out their first hand interview at
25:33
Speaker 1: the end of this episode because it's really interesting to
25:36
Speaker 1: hear from the witness's firsthand. So now let's move to
25:41
Speaker 1: the next case. This one is really amazing. What I
25:45
Speaker 1: like about this case It is a multiple witness case
25:49
Speaker 1: involving a young, married couple. And this one is also
25:54
Speaker 1: interesting because they did not use hypnosis to recall their
25:58
Speaker 1: encounter and it actually happened as the result of doing
26:02
Speaker 1: CE five work. By CE five, I mean they meditated
26:07
Speaker 1: to try to reach out to the ets and initiate
26:10
Speaker 1: an encounter, and it was wildly successful, beyond the wildest imagination.
26:18
Speaker 1: They absolutely were taken on board a craft and their
26:23
Speaker 1: stories corroborate down to the tiniest detail, and they actually
26:27
Speaker 1: have proof that they were taken on board because the
26:31
Speaker 1: woman was suffering from a medical condition that was chronic
26:36
Speaker 1: and was actually healed of her chronic condition as we
26:39
Speaker 1: shall see. So I call this one. My whole concept
26:43
Speaker 1: of the universe changed. This occurred one evening in nineteen
26:47
Speaker 1: seventy five in eastern Pennsylvania. This case comes from researcher
26:52
Speaker 1: Eugenia Maser Story, who published it in Pursuit Magazine, Volume thirteen,
26:58
Speaker 1: number four in the fall of nineteen eighty. This case
27:02
Speaker 1: involves a couple from Pennsylvania who insist upon being anonymous.
27:08
Speaker 1: In fact, they had no intention or interest in going
27:11
Speaker 1: public whatsoever, but were tracked down by Eugenia, who heard
27:16
Speaker 1: about the case from our friend of the couple. Eugenia
27:19
Speaker 1: has given the couple the pseudonyms Frank and Alice Johnson. Now,
27:24
Speaker 1: technically this case is what we call a CE five,
27:27
Speaker 1: a human initiated ufone counter The couple had long been
27:32
Speaker 1: interested in psychic abilities and the paranormal, and one day
27:35
Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy five, Frank decided to see if he
27:39
Speaker 1: could use telepathy to call down UFOs and communicate with
27:43
Speaker 1: the ets. He had become somewhat depressed with life and
27:46
Speaker 1: felt like he wanted to leave the earthly plane, so
27:50
Speaker 1: this was why he was doing this. As Frank says,
27:53
Speaker 1: I wanted very much to make contact. I was very
27:56
Speaker 1: much into astronomy at the time and studying the constellations,
28:00
Speaker 1: so he meditated, and to the surprise of them both,
28:03
Speaker 1: they began to see unexplained lights over the Mount Jay area.
28:09
Speaker 1: This is probably Jack's Mountain. It's the only mountain in
28:12
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania beginning with a jay. So this was not far
28:15
Speaker 1: from where they had a small cottage house. And they'd
28:18
Speaker 1: see these lights, and they would usually stay among the
28:21
Speaker 1: mountain peaks, and each time Frank would rush out and
28:25
Speaker 1: try to contact them. As he says, I was seeing
28:28
Speaker 1: lights once or twice a week over the highest peaks.
28:32
Speaker 1: I kept trying to make contact by flashlight every time
28:35
Speaker 1: I'd see a UFO in the sky. Then one evening,
28:39
Speaker 1: the contact Frank had been seeking finally occurred. As Frank says,
28:45
Speaker 1: I think we were in bed, just about to fall asleep.
28:48
Speaker 1: All of a sudden we were compelled to go outside.
28:51
Speaker 1: It was very calm. I'd wanted to make contact, and
28:54
Speaker 1: I wasn't nervous at all. We saw a round luminous
28:58
Speaker 1: object up the electric light pole, and then we just
29:02
Speaker 1: felt like we were sucked into it. We were definitely
29:06
Speaker 1: floated up towards the entrance to the ship. Now, Alice
29:09
Speaker 1: confirms her husband's testimony, but actually adds a little more detail.
29:14
Speaker 1: She remembers that they suddenly sat up in bed when
29:16
Speaker 1: the room filled with light. As Alice says, Frank was
29:20
Speaker 1: sitting beside me, and then we were up out of bed,
29:23
Speaker 1: facing the door. I could see through the door the
29:27
Speaker 1: shadow of a figure about six feet tall. Then the
29:30
Speaker 1: door was open and we were out on the porch.
29:33
Speaker 1: The ground was very white, like snow, and on the
29:36
Speaker 1: road through the trees, I could see a vehicle of
29:38
Speaker 1: some sort, about the size of an average car. They
29:42
Speaker 1: were picking up samples of rocks and stuff and putting
29:44
Speaker 1: them in containers. Then we saw a light over the
29:48
Speaker 1: side of the house. We were lifted and somehow floating.
29:52
Speaker 1: I couldn't feel the sensation of somebody pulling me up
29:54
Speaker 1: under the arms, but I just felt very light. As
29:58
Speaker 1: we were approaching the craft, a circle of light seemed
30:01
Speaker 1: to open, and I knew that we were going in
30:04
Speaker 1: there now. Later, both Frank and Alice would consider the
30:08
Speaker 1: possibility that they had perhaps a shared out of body experience,
30:12
Speaker 1: with some of the details they described point to this
30:14
Speaker 1: being a physical experience, as we shall see. But Frank's
30:18
Speaker 1: next memory was being inside the craft in a strange room.
30:22
Speaker 1: As he says, we entered up into this chamber. There
30:26
Speaker 1: was no one in the chamber at first who was circular,
30:29
Speaker 1: and we were floating bobbing in mid air. Suddenly doors
30:33
Speaker 1: opened and beings in suits came out. They had eyes, nose,
30:37
Speaker 1: and ears, but not as much of a mouth as ours.
30:40
Speaker 1: There were bluish silver. There was a female. She grabbed
30:44
Speaker 1: Alice and took her into another area, and I stayed behind.
30:48
Speaker 1: There were two men. They showed me some star treks
30:52
Speaker 1: and about the universe and how much more there is
30:54
Speaker 1: beyond us. So the ets were communicating with Frank and
30:58
Speaker 1: also with Alice telepathic. The two men with Frank continued
31:02
Speaker 1: to teach him about the subject that interested him most, astronomy.
31:07
Speaker 1: As Frank says, there were three charts on the wall.
31:10
Speaker 1: Once we started talking, others started gathering. I guess these
31:15
Speaker 1: were the crew. I told them I was studying astronomy.
31:18
Speaker 1: On the charts, I did recognize the Milky Way in
31:21
Speaker 1: the midpoint range of the stars, and I pointed that out.
31:25
Speaker 1: Then they showed me another star region, but the captain,
31:29
Speaker 1: the one in charge. He wasn't really concerned with the stars.
31:33
Speaker 1: He was just concerned with trying to enlighten me. He
31:36
Speaker 1: told me that there's more beyond the star regions in
31:39
Speaker 1: this physical dimension than I could imagine. And that's when
31:43
Speaker 1: my consciousness, my awareness, became expanded. There are other dimensions,
31:49
Speaker 1: physical dimensions, not just this one physical dimension. They used
31:53
Speaker 1: this kind of subtlety, and it was very interesting. I
31:57
Speaker 1: picked up telepathically that there were other dimensions. It came
32:01
Speaker 1: to me that I was locked into this three dimensional
32:03
Speaker 1: mode of thought escaping to other planets via flying saucers,
32:07
Speaker 1: which is wrong. There are other dimensions. These beings, I think,
32:12
Speaker 1: come from another sub leveled dimension, to what we call
32:16
Speaker 1: the astral plane. So Alice at this time was having
32:19
Speaker 1: her own experience. She was separated from her husband, but
32:23
Speaker 1: like Frank, she first remembered just floating in this first chamber.
32:28
Speaker 1: As Alice says, once we were inside, we just sort
32:31
Speaker 1: of floated there in this little room, bobbing around in
32:34
Speaker 1: the air. I don't know if we were being decontaminated
32:38
Speaker 1: or what. I was half asleep. Then the partition opened
32:42
Speaker 1: and two men and a girl came into the room.
32:45
Speaker 1: She motioned to me to follow her. I went down
32:48
Speaker 1: a curved hall following her. Was curved at the top
32:52
Speaker 1: and the walls were luminous panels. These panels lit up
32:55
Speaker 1: for us automatically as we went down the hall. They
32:59
Speaker 1: were all wearing this same sort of suit. There were
33:02
Speaker 1: bulb like things over her eyes, round at the top
33:04
Speaker 1: and somewhat rounded at the bottom, and I figured it
33:07
Speaker 1: must be something to protect the vision, but she knew
33:10
Speaker 1: I was looking her over where Alice. This woman had
33:13
Speaker 1: a very small nose, not much of a mouth. She
33:16
Speaker 1: was taller than Alice, but definitely female. She had a
33:19
Speaker 1: long face. The blue suit went up around her head,
33:23
Speaker 1: covering everything but her face, and the room she found
33:26
Speaker 1: herself in reminded her of a medical clinic, complete with
33:29
Speaker 1: an examination table and screens on the walls. And as
33:33
Speaker 1: Alice says, she lifted her hand and I was just
33:36
Speaker 1: lifted up and set on the table. I felt her
33:39
Speaker 1: telling me telepathically that it was all right, that she
33:42
Speaker 1: was not going to hurt me. She brought an instrument
33:45
Speaker 1: with a light on it down towards me and began
33:48
Speaker 1: to run the light over my body. As she began
33:51
Speaker 1: to run the lights over me. I realized she was
33:54
Speaker 1: checking this on a wall panel. I looked up the
33:57
Speaker 1: wall and I could see the ridges around my skull
34:00
Speaker 1: and the outline of my head in the shape of
34:02
Speaker 1: my brain. And then as she moved light down my
34:05
Speaker 1: tongue when I swallowed, this was all projected in blues
34:08
Speaker 1: and purples, and I thought, wow, that is fabulous. As
34:13
Speaker 1: she went down, I could see my lungs taking in
34:16
Speaker 1: the air and my heart pumping. The deeper blue of
34:19
Speaker 1: the blood was going down the aeorda, and I thought
34:23
Speaker 1: this must be done by some sort of heat process.
34:26
Speaker 1: She responded to that thought she told me telepathically, yes,
34:30
Speaker 1: something like heat radiation. As the light moved still further down,
34:35
Speaker 1: I saw my stomach partially fall. Then she went down
34:38
Speaker 1: over the intestines and into the genital area, and when
34:42
Speaker 1: she got there, I just couldn't help but feel curious.
34:46
Speaker 1: She had heard my question and stopped for a minute
34:48
Speaker 1: to ask exactly what I meant, and then she told
34:50
Speaker 1: me that the problem could be fixed easily. As it
34:54
Speaker 1: turned out, from a very young age, Alice had suffered
34:58
Speaker 1: from bleeding ovaries. This caused her painful cramps, abnormal menstrual cycles,
35:04
Speaker 1: and doctor's advised her that she could not have children,
35:07
Speaker 1: told her that she was in a fact barren, but
35:10
Speaker 1: now while being physically examined by the ETS, she wished
35:14
Speaker 1: that the ETS would fix this problem, and the lady
35:17
Speaker 1: apparently heard her and said, wait until we're finished. The
35:22
Speaker 1: woman then moved to a desk and appeared to fill
35:24
Speaker 1: up paperwork. She then moved a rack of instruments over and,
35:29
Speaker 1: choosing a sort of drill like instrument, placed it about
35:32
Speaker 1: six inches above Alice's abdomen. At this point, Alice could
35:36
Speaker 1: feel a tingling and stinging sensation. The woman apologized for
35:41
Speaker 1: the pain, but then traced Alice's abdomen with the instrument.
35:45
Speaker 1: Alice believed that she was following the flopian tubes and
35:48
Speaker 1: going down towards the cervix. The lady brought out another
35:52
Speaker 1: smaller instrument and used it briefly and then said that's it.
35:57
Speaker 1: To Alice, it felt just like a doctor's visit, says Alice.
36:01
Speaker 1: I felt funny when I sat up because I was tingling.
36:04
Speaker 1: It wasn't painful at all, but I could feel a
36:07
Speaker 1: strong tingling in my abdominal area. After she helped me
36:11
Speaker 1: off the table. I followed her down the hall, so
36:13
Speaker 1: she was taken to what looked like a sort of elevator,
36:16
Speaker 1: and then found herself in another room where she was
36:19
Speaker 1: reunited with her husband. As Alice says, we walked into
36:23
Speaker 1: a room where five or six of the alien men
36:26
Speaker 1: were standing around Frank casually talking telepathically. They were questioning
36:31
Speaker 1: him and he was talking about fuel. They asked what
36:34
Speaker 1: sort of fuel we use for cars, and before he
36:37
Speaker 1: could answer, one of them just picked it up out
36:40
Speaker 1: of his mind and said, fossil fuel decomposed animal matter.
36:45
Speaker 1: This was all telepathic. We got into a real conversation
36:48
Speaker 1: with the aliens. Frank was asking questions about pollution and
36:52
Speaker 1: ecological balance, and they really surprised us by saying, have
36:57
Speaker 1: faith in people. Human beings are farther advanced than you think.
37:02
Speaker 1: At least you are aware. There are others who are
37:05
Speaker 1: as aware as you are. Lucian will be corrected. Alice
37:10
Speaker 1: remembers seeing what looked like a living star mat and
37:13
Speaker 1: a console of some kind. She recalled being amazed and
37:16
Speaker 1: delighted by being able to communicate telepathically so easily, and
37:21
Speaker 1: a little embarrassed that she didn't fully understand where the
37:23
Speaker 1: Milky Way was on the star charts. The next thing
37:27
Speaker 1: they both remember is waking up in bed the next
37:30
Speaker 1: morning with no idea how they got there. Alice said
37:33
Speaker 1: she nearly forgot the whole experience, but was able to remember,
37:36
Speaker 1: and both at first thought it might have been a dream,
37:39
Speaker 1: but they then began to compare notes and realize that
37:42
Speaker 1: their memories matched up. Alice insisted it really happened, and
37:47
Speaker 1: Frank eventually did too. Both of them were profoundly affected
37:51
Speaker 1: by this encounter in different ways. Prior to the event, Frank,
37:55
Speaker 1: as he said, had been somewhat depressed, but after this experience,
38:00
Speaker 1: his depression was gone, and he also felt that his
38:03
Speaker 1: awareness had been expanded to unbelievable degrees. As he says,
38:09
Speaker 1: after that encounter, my whole concept of the universe changed.
38:13
Speaker 1: That's all they wanted to do, really, to enlighten me
38:16
Speaker 1: and expand my awareness. Alice says that she was physically affected,
38:20
Speaker 1: that tingling sensation in her abdomen persisted for a few days.
38:25
Speaker 1: She went to a medical clinic shortly after the experience
38:29
Speaker 1: and was told that she had a normal, healthy reproductive system.
38:33
Speaker 1: This really amazed her. Apparently her chronic problem was gone,
38:37
Speaker 1: and a few years later she became pregnant. Now, during
38:41
Speaker 1: her pregnancy, she woke up one evening and did see
38:44
Speaker 1: strange lights outside the house, and, as Alice says, the
38:48
Speaker 1: next thing I knew, I was in the kitchen and
38:50
Speaker 1: the light was on in the living room. Forty five
38:53
Speaker 1: minutes had elapsed since I saw the light out the window.
38:57
Speaker 1: Alice immediately realized what happened. She believed she was taken again,
39:01
Speaker 1: and she knew with an inexplicable certainty that her pregnancy
39:05
Speaker 1: was going to proceed as normal that she would have
39:08
Speaker 1: a healthy child, which she did. She had no memories
39:12
Speaker 1: of being on board, other than telling them that she
39:15
Speaker 1: would remember the encounter and then telling her that she
39:18
Speaker 1: would not remember. She couldn't recall anything other than this,
39:22
Speaker 1: but she remains convinced that she was healed of her
39:25
Speaker 1: medical condition in that first encounter by the ETS. That
39:29
Speaker 1: one is probably in my favorite case because there are
39:33
Speaker 1: multiple witnesses, because they had a very friendly, benevolent encounter
39:38
Speaker 1: with the ets, because both were able to hold long conversations,
39:42
Speaker 1: the woman was healed. It's truly an incredible account and
39:47
Speaker 1: very well researched by a professional UFO investigator. So cases
39:53
Speaker 1: again like these are very hard to deny. Clearly something
39:57
Speaker 1: very profound is going on here. So let's move to
40:01
Speaker 1: the next case. This one is extraordinary because although it
40:06
Speaker 1: does involve a single witness, this gentleman was able to
40:10
Speaker 1: hold a very long conversation with the ets and they
40:14
Speaker 1: provided him with volumes of information about them. They patiently
40:19
Speaker 1: answered all of his questions, and he had a lot
40:22
Speaker 1: of them, and they also volunteered all kinds of information
40:26
Speaker 1: about themselves as well. So this one, I call our mission,
40:31
Speaker 1: is one of peace. This occurred on January twenty eighth,
40:35
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy eight, in Lago the Chuquin Chili. So this
40:41
Speaker 1: is an amazing case in so many different ways, and
40:46
Speaker 1: I think you'll find it quite interesting. This case was
40:48
Speaker 1: first published in the UFO forum communidod Mystery Planet, but
40:53
Speaker 1: it also appeared in Albert Rosali's excellent volumes Humanoid Encounters.
41:00
Speaker 1: Insisted upon anonymity, but he did leave a lengthy first
41:03
Speaker 1: hand testimony regarding his experience. The witness, i'll call him Fernando,
41:08
Speaker 1: that is a pseudonym, is apparently a company manager, a
41:12
Speaker 1: professional at the time of his encounter he had joined
41:15
Speaker 1: a group of people to hike in the lake the
41:18
Speaker 1: Chuquin area of Chile. They went to the top of
41:22
Speaker 1: a large hill which overlooked the Pacific Ocean, very close
41:25
Speaker 1: to the town of Leco. After returning to camp, Fernando
41:30
Speaker 1: decided to take a hike alone back up the hill.
41:33
Speaker 1: He took his compass with him and a map. Weirdly,
41:36
Speaker 1: the compass didn't work, and was around seven thirty pm
41:40
Speaker 1: on January twenty eighth, nineteen seventy eight. He had just
41:43
Speaker 1: started to return to camp from this hike when an
41:46
Speaker 1: intense blue light shone down on him from above, and,
41:50
Speaker 1: as Fernando says, I was terribly frightened. I wanted to
41:54
Speaker 1: run away, to escape, but a kind of total paralysis
41:58
Speaker 1: took hold of me. Of seconds, I felt myself being
42:02
Speaker 1: pulled upwards into an immense body, surrounded by lights, located
42:07
Speaker 1: about eight or ten meters above my head. I don't
42:11
Speaker 1: know how I was dragged into that object. So immediately
42:14
Speaker 1: Fernando found himself inside of a dome about thirty feet wide,
42:19
Speaker 1: metallic and shiny like stainless steel. He saw what looked
42:22
Speaker 1: like circular honeycombs on the wall, which were rotating around him.
42:27
Speaker 1: He also saw a giant machine, which kind of reminded
42:30
Speaker 1: him of a computer. Three people were in front of him,
42:34
Speaker 1: two were standing and one was sitting, And while they
42:37
Speaker 1: did look human and were of normal height and weight,
42:41
Speaker 1: they did have some differences. They had very pale complexions
42:44
Speaker 1: and were wearing cream colored jumpsuits. The ones who were
42:48
Speaker 1: standing had a hood over their heads. All of them
42:51
Speaker 1: were wearing shiny black gloves and boots. They all had
42:55
Speaker 1: overly large, light colored and penetrating eyes. Now, the one
43:00
Speaker 1: who was sitting was wearing a large belt on the
43:04
Speaker 1: jump suit. Fernando could see what looked like two pockets
43:07
Speaker 1: on his chest, and one of them had a kind
43:09
Speaker 1: of shield shaped emblem with three concentric rings inside. His
43:14
Speaker 1: head was covered with sparse white blonde hair, and Fernando
43:18
Speaker 1: also noticed that these people moved slowly with incredible grace
43:22
Speaker 1: and elegance, and the one who was sitting instructed Fernando
43:26
Speaker 1: to sit next to him on this ledge on the
43:28
Speaker 1: side of this craft. The man's voice was deep and gutteral,
43:32
Speaker 1: but still very calming. Fernando said he was still quote
43:36
Speaker 1: very scared. In fact, he said his hands were sweating
43:39
Speaker 1: and his heart was beating wildly, says Fernando. They told
43:44
Speaker 1: me to calm down, that they wouldn't hurt me, that
43:47
Speaker 1: they just wanted to talk to me. They asked me
43:50
Speaker 1: many simple questions, such as what my name was, what
43:53
Speaker 1: I did, if I believed in life on other worlds,
43:56
Speaker 1: what my culture was, and if I knew anything about numbers,
44:00
Speaker 1: things like that. The man spoke very calmly, and Fernando
44:03
Speaker 1: began to relax enough to ask some questions himself, and
44:07
Speaker 1: this is when a lengthy conversation followed, during which Fernando
44:11
Speaker 1: learned many things about these people who had taken him.
44:15
Speaker 1: He has reconstructed the conversation to the best of his memory,
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Speaker 1: so this is what Fernando remembers. He asked them who
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Speaker 1: are you, and their reply was it's still early for
44:26
Speaker 1: you to know, but it won't be too late. When
44:29
Speaker 1: everything becomes clear and one or two more periods, full
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Speaker 1: contact will be established between our peoples. You shouldn't be
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Speaker 1: worried about the constant appearances of us in the skies
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Speaker 1: of your planet. We do this so you will grow
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Speaker 1: accustomed to our presence and there will be no panic
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Speaker 1: when the ties of communication between us strengthened. Fernando asked
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Speaker 1: them outright if they plan to invade Earth or destroy it,
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Speaker 1: and they replied, no, nothing of this sort. We are
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Speaker 1: not warriors, nor are we driven by the desire for expansion.
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Speaker 1: The universe is very large, too large for so few beings.
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Speaker 1: Our mission is one of peace, as it has been
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Speaker 1: for thousands of years. Fernando then asked them how their
45:13
Speaker 1: craft work, and the man replied, we create our own
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Speaker 1: flight field. The energy we accumulate the creation of a
45:21
Speaker 1: magnetic field in the application of directional coordinates. The use
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Speaker 1: of submolecular reaction has allowed us a scientific foundation far
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Speaker 1: superior to what you have achieved. The waste of time
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Speaker 1: on military research has resulted in a backwardness in the
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Speaker 1: knowledge of Earthlings, which can hardly be overcome though. Fernando
45:42
Speaker 1: then asked, are you the only ones who have communicated
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Speaker 1: with us? And the man told him no. That humans
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Speaker 1: ignore a lot of the UFO activity on this planet.
45:52
Speaker 1: He said that they are able to travel interdimensionally, and
45:56
Speaker 1: he told Fernando that although he himself appeared to be
45:59
Speaker 1: about forty to forty five years old, he was in
46:02
Speaker 1: fact three hundred years old, and that thousands of years ago.
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Speaker 1: People on Earth also used to live anywhere from five
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Speaker 1: hundred to seven hundred years. But that quote you yourselves
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Speaker 1: created the deteriorating environment, and today can hardly live one
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Speaker 1: hundred years. So Fernando then asked them how long have
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Speaker 1: you been observing us? And the et replied humans have
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Speaker 1: lived on Earth for thousands of years. He then explained
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Speaker 1: that our technique of using carbon dating is flawed and incorrect,
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Speaker 1: and he said, quote, life on this planet is very recent.
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Speaker 1: All this time we have accompanied the evolution of the
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Speaker 1: inhabitants of Earth. Right now, our concern is greater than
46:47
Speaker 1: usual because the discovery and use of weapons that are
46:51
Speaker 1: too powerful and destructive beyond the control of their uses
46:56
Speaker 1: and entails not only the danger of the total destruction
46:59
Speaker 1: of this planet, but also a chain reaction that will
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Speaker 1: endanger the entire Solar system. The deviation of the Earth
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Speaker 1: from its orbit would cause unforeseeable consequences. So Fernando then asked,
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Speaker 1: has your presence left traces or evidence of your passage
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Speaker 1: on Earth? And the et replied in the positive yes,
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Speaker 1: and said humankind is only just beginning to properly direct
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Speaker 1: their investigation into our presence. Here, we have perhaps left
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Speaker 1: too much evidence of the existence of life on other planets.
47:34
Speaker 1: And more than this, we have left culture, instruction, and
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Speaker 1: assistance that you have not been able to take advantage of.
47:42
Speaker 1: The case of the Egyptian Pyramids is conclusive proof of
47:46
Speaker 1: this assertion. We have only just realized that they were
47:50
Speaker 1: not erected simply for the sake of it. The energy
47:54
Speaker 1: they can retain guiding the other celestial bodies in space,
47:58
Speaker 1: the diagramming of their forms. What they bring with their
48:01
Speaker 1: construction contains teachings that would be immeasurable to you. It
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Speaker 1: is necessary to search every corner of this planet for
48:09
Speaker 1: a series of traces and constructions superior to the scientific
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Speaker 1: capacity of your time to understand and accept that other
48:18
Speaker 1: minds guided in experienced hands. Now, Fernando did notice many
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Speaker 1: colors on the craft, colored lights, and the athd them.
48:27
Speaker 1: Why do you use so many and such intense colors?
48:30
Speaker 1: And the et had a very interesting answer. The man said,
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Speaker 1: because of the practical utility they provide. You must direct
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Speaker 1: your studies towards the application of colors, the intensity of
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Speaker 1: luminous fluxes, sounds, and the power of your minds. The
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Speaker 1: essence is the wisdom and happiness that is given by
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Speaker 1: nature itself, Color, light, sound, and the human mind. Color
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Speaker 1: and light have unlimited fields of a life. Cation. They
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Speaker 1: cure many illnesses, calm the nerves, prevent general imbalances, and
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Speaker 1: provide inexhaustible strength and energy. Sound has almost identical applications
49:12
Speaker 1: in addition to being an excellent cutting instrument and a
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Speaker 1: powerful weapon when combined with other elements. Fernando then asked
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Speaker 1: them if they had contacted other people than himself, and
49:23
Speaker 1: the ETS told him that yes, he was not the
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Speaker 1: only one chosen. They said, it happens that many who
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Speaker 1: have been in contact with us and remained silent for
49:33
Speaker 1: getting our request to divulge certain messages. It seems to
49:38
Speaker 1: me that they were afraid of being considered crazy or
49:41
Speaker 1: not being believed. They told him that they contact many
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Speaker 1: people for tests and exams, but quote none have been
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Speaker 1: injured or harmed. Fernando asked them why they didn't contact
49:51
Speaker 1: the leaders of the Earth, and the ETS said that
49:54
Speaker 1: doing so is difficult as leaders are surrounded and protected
49:58
Speaker 1: by many other people. But the they have in fact
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Speaker 1: contacted at least two rulers, and only one admitted to
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Speaker 1: their existence. They said that many different types of ets
50:09
Speaker 1: from different places are contacting the people of Earth, but
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Speaker 1: that quote the mission is the same. Remind you that
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Speaker 1: you must return your path to other goals and free
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Speaker 1: yourself from delacos ideas, worship your creator and obey his
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Speaker 1: commandments his laws. The arrogance with which many leaders guide
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Speaker 1: you is leading you towards the destruction of everything established,
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Speaker 1: and will only provoke tragedy which will affect other planets.
50:38
Speaker 1: Whatever path you take from now on, there will be
50:41
Speaker 1: a great catastrophe, but we wish to prevent it from
50:44
Speaker 1: being greater than you can imagine, destroying a large part
50:47
Speaker 1: of your inhabitants or destroying everything. The ets then told them,
50:52
Speaker 1: we have analyzed every inhabitant on your planet in the
50:56
Speaker 1: same capsule you are now in. It is rare that
50:59
Speaker 1: we can be with someone who asks us questions, who
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Speaker 1: is not afraid and does not despair. Your case is
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Speaker 1: one of few, despite your great agitation. What we do
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Speaker 1: not understand, for our part, is why the inhabitants of
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Speaker 1: Earth cannot develop greater intellectual capacity and limits himself to
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Speaker 1: using so little the capacity of the mind. The etis
51:21
Speaker 1: said that their craft had been observed captured on radar
51:25
Speaker 1: many times. They told him also that they are not
51:28
Speaker 1: much different from humans and also experience natural limitations. But
51:33
Speaker 1: at some point the conversation finally ended and the next thing,
51:36
Speaker 1: Fernando knew he was back on his original location, and
51:40
Speaker 1: he estimates that the duration of this encounter was about
51:45
Speaker 1: three hours. Now. The witness's identity is apparently known to
51:48
Speaker 1: several prominent Chilean UFO researchers. They refer to him as
51:53
Speaker 1: quote an elite witness because apparently he is of high
51:57
Speaker 1: standing and respected in the community. The witness himself has
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Speaker 1: many questions about his own encounter and does admit to
52:05
Speaker 1: the possibility that he may have dreamed the whole thing.
52:08
Speaker 1: Publisher of this case, Vanis, says that he got the
52:11
Speaker 1: information from quote the former Chilean delegation of the Cosmic
52:17
Speaker 1: Fraternity Studies Center. This was a short lived Chilean UFO
52:21
Speaker 1: study group. A truly amazing case and apparently thoroughly researched
52:26
Speaker 1: by Chilean investigators. And I can understand why the witness
52:30
Speaker 1: has elected to remain anonymous. Apparently he is a person
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Speaker 1: of professional standing, but it's a shame the ridicule and
52:38
Speaker 1: disbelief that surrounds the subject prevents the vast majority of
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Speaker 1: people from going public. And we know it's a lot
52:45
Speaker 1: of people who are having this experience, and the messages
52:49
Speaker 1: this gentleman was given are very much corroborated by the
52:54
Speaker 1: many other people who are receiving these same kinds of messages,
52:58
Speaker 1: as we see in this one episode, which is only
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Speaker 1: five cases. But here's another one, equally amazing, equally profound.
53:07
Speaker 1: I call this one a pure learning experience. This one
53:12
Speaker 1: occurred around July first, nineteen ninety six in Coats, Minnesota.
53:17
Speaker 1: This is a very small town. The main witness was
53:21
Speaker 1: driving with a friend through this area late at night
53:24
Speaker 1: when they came upon AUFO and of course had a
53:28
Speaker 1: period of missing time. They did recall it through hypnosis,
53:33
Speaker 1: but still a really compelling account that matches up perfectly
53:37
Speaker 1: with those who consciously recall their encounters. This is one
53:40
Speaker 1: of the reasons why we know hypnosis works. But I
53:43
Speaker 1: do think you'll find this case particularly fascinating. This last
53:47
Speaker 1: and final case comes from a gentleman I call him Scott.
53:50
Speaker 1: That's a pseudonym. He sought hypnosis after having a scary
53:54
Speaker 1: missing time encounter was two a m. On July first,
53:58
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six. Scott and his friend were driving to
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Speaker 1: their home in Rochester, Minnesota. His friend was driving, Scott
54:05
Speaker 1: sat in the front passenger seat, and they were heading
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Speaker 1: north on Highway fifty two and had just passed through
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Speaker 1: the small town of Coats. Without warning, something strange happened,
54:16
Speaker 1: as Scott says, I heard a low, humming sound which
54:20
Speaker 1: got louder. I could feel a vibration all over my body.
54:25
Speaker 1: I looked out of the passenger window and I saw
54:27
Speaker 1: a bright lighted treetop level about two hundred feet away,
54:31
Speaker 1: So Scott shouted out stop the car. His friend stopped
54:35
Speaker 1: the car, and seeing the UFO and humming noise, became
54:39
Speaker 1: almost hysterical with fear. Scott, also afraid, grabbed a tire
54:44
Speaker 1: iron from under the seat and stepped outside of the
54:47
Speaker 1: car to take a closer look. As Scott says, I
54:51
Speaker 1: got to the ditch and that is the last memory
54:55
Speaker 1: I had. The next thing I remember was me and
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Speaker 1: my friend pulling into a restaurant. We were both in
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Speaker 1: a daze and couldn't figure out how the time got
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Speaker 1: to be five thirty a m. So we had a
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Speaker 1: large chunk of missing time. Fact they were missing at
55:09
Speaker 1: least three hours of time, and beginning to research the subject,
55:14
Speaker 1: Scott decided that he would try regressive hypnosis. He found
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Speaker 1: a hypnotist and scheduled a session, and under hypnosis, he
55:22
Speaker 1: was able to recall much of what happened during these
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Speaker 1: missing three hours. He recalled the buzzing sound and the UFO,
55:30
Speaker 1: he remembered getting out of the car. He remembered standing
55:33
Speaker 1: by the side of the road and being hit by
55:35
Speaker 1: a blue beam of light which actually levitated him over
55:39
Speaker 1: to the craft. He could see it had no visible windows.
55:43
Speaker 1: A ramp opened up and he was brought inside, and
55:46
Speaker 1: he found himself inside a strange room. As Scott says,
55:51
Speaker 1: a door opened and a tall gray and a normal
55:53
Speaker 1: sized gray entered. The tall gray had on a black jumpsuit.
55:58
Speaker 1: Then a human entered, also wearing a black jumpsuit. He
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Speaker 1: was smiling. At this point. The man spoke saying, quote,
56:06
Speaker 1: there's no reason to be afraid. This is going to
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Speaker 1: be a pure learning experience. Scott immediately found his fear dissipating,
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Speaker 1: and as Scott says, he brought me into the cockpit
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Speaker 1: area and told me to look outside the windows. The
56:22
Speaker 1: windows were one way where I could see out. The
56:25
Speaker 1: craft did not look like it had windows. He showed
56:28
Speaker 1: me the control panel and how to operate it. He
56:31
Speaker 1: took me into another room where there were an assortment
56:34
Speaker 1: of monitors on the wall. The man spoke, follow along
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Speaker 1: with the images, he said, and they will teach you
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Speaker 1: what you need to learn. So for the next two
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Speaker 1: hours Scott watched these images on these screens. He says
56:50
Speaker 1: he was somehow able to understand what he was watching,
56:53
Speaker 1: but apparently doesn't remember it in any detail. But the
56:57
Speaker 1: man then returned and said, quote, it is vital that
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Speaker 1: you understand these things because there may come a time
57:04
Speaker 1: when we won't be here to teach you. They told
57:07
Speaker 1: him that he would have to continue quote the big
57:10
Speaker 1: plan in their place, and as Scott says, he said,
57:14
Speaker 1: he didn't know when that time would be, as there
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Speaker 1: are many factors involved that could change the outcome. Then
57:21
Speaker 1: the two grays came back in the room and the
57:23
Speaker 1: ramp opened. The smaller gray escorted me out of the
57:26
Speaker 1: craft into my car. He put a small device in
57:29
Speaker 1: the side of my head. I became paralyzed and my
57:32
Speaker 1: vision went black. So that's all Scott is able to
57:36
Speaker 1: recall he did contact his friend after going under hypnosis.
57:40
Speaker 1: He learned that his friend had in fact been having
57:42
Speaker 1: flashbacks of this event, but that he quote doesn't want
57:47
Speaker 1: to be involved in any way. There are many really
57:51
Speaker 1: interesting things about that case. Here we have a case
57:54
Speaker 1: of grays and apparently a human looking et working together.
57:59
Speaker 1: There are quite a few of those. I also found
58:01
Speaker 1: it interesting because they took the witness up to what
58:05
Speaker 1: we would call the control room, the helm, and we're
58:08
Speaker 1: showing him how they fly the craft. This is another
58:11
Speaker 1: detail that turns up fairly consistently in these onboard UFO cases.
58:17
Speaker 1: But as you can see, these are the kinds of
58:19
Speaker 1: cases that do answer a lot of the questions. Over
58:22
Speaker 1: and over again, ET's are relating the same message. They're
58:26
Speaker 1: very worried about our warlike ways. Clearly they're very worried
58:30
Speaker 1: about how we are destroying the environment. These are the
58:33
Speaker 1: kinds of messages that are received over and over again.
58:38
Speaker 1: So really the question is will we listen, Will we
58:41
Speaker 1: take these messages seriously? Because we can see these things
58:45
Speaker 1: coming true right before our very eyes. It's one of
58:49
Speaker 1: the reasons I think these cases are so important. They're
58:53
Speaker 1: very interesting. I mean, they're incredibly fascinating, but I think
58:57
Speaker 1: they're very very significant, very important. The ets see that
59:03
Speaker 1: we are on the wrong path and are doing everything
59:05
Speaker 1: they can, sort of coming down and taking over themselves
59:09
Speaker 1: to correct things. I think this argues for the benevolence
59:14
Speaker 1: of the onboard experience. Said this many times. Yes, a
59:18
Speaker 1: close encounter can be incredibly terrifying, very traumatic, especially in
59:23
Speaker 1: the beginning, but most people do not feel that the
59:27
Speaker 1: ets are evil or here to take over or intentionally
59:31
Speaker 1: hurt or harm people, and we can certainly see that
59:34
Speaker 1: in these onboard cases, which follow a very set pattern.
59:40
Speaker 1: This is exactly what happens when people are taken on board.
59:43
Speaker 1: They're physically examined, then they are perhaps given a tour
59:47
Speaker 1: of the craft, they are perhaps healed, they are given
59:51
Speaker 1: all kinds of information, which again involves these same kinds
59:55
Speaker 1: of messages and warnings. So this is something we have
59:59
Speaker 1: to tick a go good objective look at. So that's it,
1:00:03
Speaker 1: you guys, thank you for joining me tonight on this
1:00:08
Speaker 1: amazing episode of UFOs and the Paranormal. I hope you
1:00:12
Speaker 1: enjoyed it, perhaps learned something, and until next time, keep
1:00:16
Speaker 1: asking those hard questions, keep searching for the truth. Most
1:00:20
Speaker 1: important of all, keep having fun, and remember stay tuned.
1:00:24
Speaker 1: There's a little additional segment where you get to hear
1:00:27
Speaker 1: the witnesses speak firsthand about the encounter that occurred in Minong, Wisconsin.
1:00:34
Speaker 3: I'm suddenly slipped away in the blink of an eye.
1:00:37
Speaker 3: Then there were three bright orange lights in the sky.
1:00:41
Speaker 3: Was it a trick hallucination? Well, the questions went out
1:00:44
Speaker 3: answered until Karen saw a recent sightings report on alien
1:00:48
Speaker 3: abduction and something about the story struck a resonant chord.
1:00:54
Speaker 3: Memories of that moonlight night in nineteen seventy five were
1:00:57
Speaker 3: incomplete strange Lincoln pelling an engaged couple on a family
1:01:02
Speaker 3: vacation steal away for quiet drive through the north woods
1:01:05
Speaker 3: of Wisconsin. There's something strange about that ride that they
1:01:10
Speaker 3: can't figure out yet. Back at the cabin, the couple
1:01:14
Speaker 3: strolled down to the lake. The night is clear. There's
1:01:17
Speaker 3: a bright star, but then it moves and they realize
1:01:21
Speaker 3: this is no star.
1:01:23
Speaker 4: There was one.
1:01:26
Speaker 5: Star like object was a little bit brighter than a star,
1:01:29
Speaker 5: kind of an orange color that seemed to stand out
1:01:32
Speaker 5: from the others a bit. Just really didn't think anything
1:01:36
Speaker 5: of it at the time, but my focus kept going
1:01:39
Speaker 5: back and forth to that particular object, and after a
1:01:44
Speaker 5: while I noticed some odd things about it.
1:01:47
Speaker 2: This bright orange star that was along the horizon of
1:01:52
Speaker 2: the trees on the other side of the lake zipped
1:01:55
Speaker 2: right to the top of her heads and we looked up.
1:01:58
Speaker 3: The stargazing couple were Karen Klinger and Dennis Morowska, and
1:02:02
Speaker 3: what they saw would haunt them for about twenty years.
1:02:06
Speaker 5: I think the best way I could describe the flight
1:02:08
Speaker 5: is like that of a dragon fly. It was just
1:02:11
Speaker 5: it would zip pair stop, zip, pair of stop, zip, zip,
1:02:14
Speaker 5: zip zip really fast, and like, what are we watching?
1:02:19
Speaker 5: I had I was fascinated. I just I didn't want
1:02:23
Speaker 5: to stop looking at I was just glued to it.
1:02:25
Speaker 5: And we finally started calling my folks down from the
1:02:28
Speaker 5: cabin so they could watch, and my mother was a
1:02:33
Speaker 5: little scared.
1:02:34
Speaker 3: The whole family got down to the lake in time
1:02:36
Speaker 3: to see the single light split into three then rejoin
1:02:40
Speaker 3: as one. If it was a fascinating spectacle that drove
1:02:43
Speaker 3: one family member to try something illogical.
1:02:47
Speaker 2: Jenny's sister's boyfriend went into the house and got a
1:02:50
Speaker 2: large beam flashlight and flashed at the UFOs three times.
1:02:55
Speaker 2: Suddenly they just completely disappeared, and about maybe a couple
1:02:59
Speaker 2: of seconds later, they flashed back at us the same
1:03:02
Speaker 2: amount of times as we had.
1:03:04
Speaker 3: Flashed it in. After a few minutes of this strange communication,
1:03:08
Speaker 3: everyone reached the same impossible conclusion.
1:03:12
Speaker 5: By this time, we knew we were watching something that
1:03:15
Speaker 5: we had no explanation for, was really strange and definitely
1:03:20
Speaker 5: appeared to be intelligently controlled.
1:03:22
Speaker 3: The bizarre communication went on for half an hour, then
1:03:25
Speaker 3: in less than the blink of an eye, the UFO
1:03:28
Speaker 3: was gone. The encounter had a profound effect, but Karen
1:03:31
Speaker 3: and Dennis wouldn't know just how profound for another two decades.
1:03:35
Speaker 3: By then, they had married, had a son, and an
1:03:38
Speaker 3: acrimondius divorce. In fact, in nineteen ninety four, they were
1:03:42
Speaker 3: barely speaking when Dennis and Karen met to exchange custody
1:03:46
Speaker 3: of their son.
1:03:47
Speaker 2: While this particular evening, he got out of the car,
1:03:49
Speaker 2: probably for the first time that he'd talked to me
1:03:52
Speaker 2: face to face a year, and he knocks on the
1:03:55
Speaker 2: window of the car, and the first thing that comes
1:03:57
Speaker 2: out of his mouth was, have you ever considered hypnosis?
1:04:01
Speaker 2: And I said to him, I said, you saw that program.
1:04:05
Speaker 3: The program was Sightings and our report on the abduction
1:04:08
Speaker 3: experience of four men camping in the Allagash Wilderness of
1:04:12
Speaker 3: Northern main They too had seen a UFO in the sky.
1:04:16
Speaker 3: Like Karen and Dennis, they had used a flashlight to
1:04:18
Speaker 3: signal the spacecraft, and most importantly evolved the Allagash four
1:04:23
Speaker 3: had missing time.
1:04:25
Speaker 5: Being around the lake, which is exactly a four mile
1:04:29
Speaker 5: radius doesn't take very long to cover at all. That
1:04:32
Speaker 5: at one point we looked up and the moon was
1:04:35
Speaker 5: directly in line with the rearview mirror of the car,
1:04:41
Speaker 5: and by the time we got back to the lake,
1:04:45
Speaker 5: which shouldn't have been very long, the moon was setting.
1:04:50
Speaker 2: It never occurred to me until that moment there could
1:04:54
Speaker 2: possibly be some missing time involve I felt sick. I felt,
1:04:59
Speaker 2: I mean literally felt nauseated at the thought of it.
1:05:03
Speaker 3: But what happened during that missing time? Dennis asked Karen
1:05:07
Speaker 3: if she would consider hypnotherapy is a way to find
1:05:10
Speaker 3: the answer.
1:05:11
Speaker 4: I think that the nature of a repressed memory is
1:05:14
Speaker 4: that there is no conscious access to this memory. It's
1:05:16
Speaker 4: not something that somebody remembers once or occasionally and then
1:05:21
Speaker 4: sticks back in a locked vaults someplace in their mind.
1:05:25
Speaker 3: Doctor David Clayton agreed to hypnotize Karen. He had no
1:05:28
Speaker 3: faith in the abduction experience, but as he worked with Karen,
1:05:32
Speaker 3: he realized that she was not unlike other patients who
1:05:35
Speaker 3: he'd seen relive past trauma under hypnosis.
1:05:38
Speaker 4: Karen was recalling a very intense white light that approached
1:05:44
Speaker 4: the vehicle that she and her former husband were in
1:05:47
Speaker 4: at the time, and when this white light approached the
1:05:50
Speaker 4: side of the vehicle, it was so intense I think
1:05:53
Speaker 4: Karen at that point felt that she had fainted.
1:05:57
Speaker 3: Under doctor Clayton's watchful eye, Karen reviewed traumatic contact with
1:06:01
Speaker 3: extraterrestrial beings, something Dennis couldn't or wouldn't recall, but their
1:06:06
Speaker 3: descriptions of the craft were nearly identical.
1:06:08
Speaker 5: We compared notes later. They corroborated very closely with some
1:06:13
Speaker 5: of the points that Karen had brought up under hers
1:06:17
Speaker 5: We both got these images of a grid like pattern,
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Speaker 5: almost a primitive type structure, almost like a dirigible or something.
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Speaker 3: Independently, Karen and Dennis insisted that the purpose of the
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Speaker 3: abduction was not to hurt them, but to help all
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Speaker 3: human kind. They each felt compelled to deliver the same
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Speaker 3: message the fate of Earth is intertwined with alien worlds
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Speaker 3: throughout the cosmos, and Earthlings are not doing a good
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Speaker 3: job of taking care of our part of the universe.
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Speaker 3: It's a message that Abduction support group leader Mary Kerkfoot
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Speaker 3: hears a lot.
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Speaker 6: As far as a phenomenon in general, some people's experiences
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Speaker 6: can truly be described as abductions. They are taken kicking
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Speaker 6: and screaming, struggling again as their will. Others evolve over
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Speaker 6: time as they understand what is happening, to come very
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Speaker 6: cooperatively and become associated with the beings that they're working
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Speaker 6: with in a participatory role.
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Speaker 3: The Chicago Center for Encounters support group was formed in
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Speaker 3: nineteen ninety three so abductees and experiencers would know that
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Speaker 3: they are not alone.
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Speaker 6: It's enormously exciting for the members of our support group
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Speaker 6: to compare experiences because as soon as you find someone
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Speaker 6: who has some aspect that is similar exactly like yours,
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Speaker 6: you feel much more validated.
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Speaker 3: At first, abductees were pariahs, odd balls inventing a new mythology,
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Speaker 3: But after three decades, the phenomenon is not going away.
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Speaker 3: Because abductees insist alien contact is a reality.
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Speaker 2: If you feel that this has happened to you, by
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Speaker 2: all means, do whatever it takes to cover the information
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Speaker 2: because it's worth the risk.
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Speaker 3: Just as she was reassured after watching our allegansh abduction report,
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Speaker 3: Karen Klinger hopes that her personal story will encourage more
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Speaker 3: people to come forward, or at least to seek help
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Speaker 3: from a certified professional hypnotherapist or from one of the
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Speaker 3: hundreds of support groups forming around the world.