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#130 - Rogan, Peterson, Pool, & O'Connor Headed Toward Christianity · Brandon Fogal Evolution

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  Okay, so is Joe Rogan, Jordan Peterson, Tim Poole, and Alex O'Connor.
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  I am going to say something that is a little out there, but I hope you hang with me.
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  Are they the new faces of Christianity and the culture and where we are headed?
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  My name is Brandon Fogel. This is Evolution. Let's dive into this.
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  So there has been a lot of talk about these guys and their different journeys
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  of where they're at. We got Alex O'Connor overseas in the UK representing that
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  side of the Western world.
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  We got Jordan Peterson from Canada, and we got our homegrown Joe Rogan and Tim
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  Poole from the United States of America.
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  Now, this is the West in action, but I see that these guys are coming very,
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  very close to Christianity and embracing Christianity.
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  They're all, you know, everybody's different, you know, and where they're going
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  to end up and land and how soon they will get there.
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  I think that all these guys are on that road, on that path.
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  But Tim Pool and Jordan Peterson have both said they are not claiming to be Christian.
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  Tim Pool has outright said, I am not a Christian. And we're going to look at this.
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  And I would say that if they're not saying they're Christian,
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  they're not Christian, they aren't Christian, you know.
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  But this, I want to bring this up because this is a bigger ethos,
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  zeitgeist issue that we are experiencing, that there has been a complete turn
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  and flip that Christianity is almost now the popular sport. It's now the popular game.
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  It's where the popular kids go and that the popular kids are talking about.
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  And even even the very intellectual, smart people are talking about this.
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  And I think it is the different worldviews that are out there.
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  They end up leaving you high and dry.
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  When you take them out to their full conclusion, you dive into meaninglessness,
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  and it doesn't explain really everything, all the questions that we have in our hearts as humans.
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  Jordan Peterson, he was on Jubilee yesterday, going against,
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  surrounded by atheists, I think it's 20 atheists all around him,
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  and there were a couple soundbites,
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  a couple big ones, and one that he said, I am not a Christian,
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  or he said, I'm not claiming that.
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  But the guy was pressing him saying you're going
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  to a catholic church well are you a christian or
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  not you know and he i think he made an ass of himself this guy
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  who did it you know but he got a soundbite it was
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  the leading thing of the the hook going into the video and it got jordan peter
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  say that i'm not claiming that george i almost blended all their names together
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  joe joe george and I think I went Joe and then Jordan and I came out with George.
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  Maybe that's what you get.
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  George Washington, a new adventure, embarking on a new course in Christian history.
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  This is very intriguing to me because if these guys come into Christianity,
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  if they do actually embrace Christ and give their lives to him,
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  will they bring a lot of the baggage that they have from their,
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  that they have been living through their whole life in the popular sphere of
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  influence that they have.
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  And I think this reminds me of as we had lockdowns, you know,
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  in this country and people fled certain cities because there was freedom just
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  being taken away and everything being just ripped out of their hands and they couldn't have life.
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  They fled to the free states and people have done that and went in droves to Florida and Texas.
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  A lot of them, they bring with them a lot of baggage and a lot of ideology with them.
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  And this isn't to say because I want to be very, very precise in what I'm saying,
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  because anyone that comes to Christianity carries with them baggage.
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  We are all messed up. This is a camp that people are just being bled dry. They're dying.
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  I'm thinking in war, a war zone, a medic camp, this is where the people go to get healed up.
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  So they've been out in the battlefield, they've been shot at and everything,
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  the things of life, and they're coming there to get healed and all cleaned up,
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  and it's messy in here. It's messy in Christianity.
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  And something that, I want to dive into this real quick, that Tim Pool had a
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  sit-down with Bill Maher, and it was just released yesterday,
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  and it was the first time I'd really seen Tim Pool give his,
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  it felt like his heart felt what drove him away from Christianity and his viewpoints
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  now in understanding God. So let's take a look at this.
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  He's going to bring it up in a couple of different ways. We're going to take
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  a couple of different angles at it and looking at this.
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  So this is what pushed Tim Pool away. And I really want to address this and talk about this.
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  Yeah. You know, and I'm not Christian and I have a lot of friends who are and I don't care.
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  But what are you? You said you were going on this before. You were like,
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  I'm not a deist. I'm not a deist.
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  But you're not an atheist anymore. No, I'm not an atheist. So what do you believe
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  in? I don't think God exists, but I don't believe in any scriptures or anything like that.
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  I think man is fallible and to write down books and then claim it's the word of God is silly.
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  So how long were you an atheist, and what did we do wrong not to keep you?
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  I went to Catholic school, and there you go.
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  I went to catechism. Well, I didn't do that. At fifth grade,
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  I left. And so what happened for me in Catholic school was they taught me nothing.
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  They showed me a video of Adam riding a brontosaurus. I'm not joking.
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  I went to the museum. He doesn't believe—he believes in God.
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  He's no longer an atheist. So we've got him that much closer.
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  Or just his worldview is kind of shifting, you know? He's open to the idea of
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  there being a God because this world can't be explained by just naturalistic evolution.
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  But then he is turned away by seemingly fantasy fairy tales that he was brought up in, in the church.
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  And I get that. I get that. Because when you think of, you go to a nursery in
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  a church and you got Noah's Ark, you know, paintings on the wall, you know, all that.
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  And it just looks all so cute and so nice. when really when we dive into the
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  story as intellectual human grown-up people it just.
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  It wasn't a cute story happening right there.
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  And I think we lose the deeper meaning of the story when we just try to church it up a little bit.
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  And I think we church up a lot of things. But I was thinking about like Moses
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  writing something, an account of how God brought everything into the world.
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  People that are brilliant and smart and able to communicate well,
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  they are able to simplify in the smallest terms, so that it is understandable.
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  And I think that is what is happening in the book of Genesis at the beginning,
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  the garden of Eden, everything happened in the snake, the Adam and Eve,
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  you know, that story that happened.
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  I think it was a real account, but Moses is putting, there's a lot of more,
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  there's other things going on than just a scientific tube method of this is
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  like, if we had a video camera rolling, how was Moses going to capture that
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  and writing it down and how God speaks everything into existence.
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  He has a stronger poetic parallelism that is happening that he's trying to communicate
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  huge things that are memorable to everybody. They don't have a printing press
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  like five, 4,000 years ago.
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  They don't have that. They don't have somebody able to, they don't have the
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  ability to get on a podcast and listen to things, but they had somebody that
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  would read something to him and it was just said over and over.
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  And in those terms, he wrote the seven days or the six days that happened,
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  God creates the heavens and the earth. He forms and then he fills everything.
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  And it was just a way that those Israelites could remember the people of Israel.
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  They could remember how God put it all together.
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  If we had a video camera of God creating everything, what would it have looked like?
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  I think the closest picture would be the book of Genesis.
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  And it was the best way that God could have communicated. He's writing through Moses.
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  The Holy Spirit is inspiring the pen of Moses that is writing it down.
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  So it is tough because, oh, the dinosaurs and all that, you know,
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  I'm getting more and more into understanding like what the, like the fossil
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  record and finding out what those things are and all that,
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  you know, and even the person that knows so much about it, you know,
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  you only know just a little tip of the iceberg of really what's going on and
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  really what the only thing we could have would be the tip of the iceberg of
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  what actually happened in history.
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  But let's continue, because this is very interesting in what Tim describes.
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  In Religious, where they have the exhibit of Jesus on the Brontosaur. Exactly. Yeah.
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  So they were trying to, so they told us that the dinosaurs were too big to fit
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  on the ark, and the unicorns were too rambunctious.
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  Not kidding, children, unicorns were dancing and ran away from the ark.
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  And I'm like, so I remember this. Oh, that's why they didn't survive.
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  That's right. I see. One formative moment was when I asked my fifth grade teacher.
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  Can't argue with logic. Right.
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  So the Big Bang was, we were learning it, fifth grade science. Really?
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  Yeah. Good for you. Catholic school. And I asked my teacher,
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  if the universe was in a single point and then expanded outward,
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  is it possible that, I raised my hand and asked this, is it possible that at
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  some point it stops and then comes back in?
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  And she went, I don't know, moving on. And I was furious.
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  Why? Who does know that? It's called the Big Crunch Theory.
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  And it okay so you never know the words you say how they will drastically impact
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  the direction of someone's life this teacher might have just been having a bad
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  day who knows she didn't want to go into it she's dealing with kids all day
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  you know her she's tearing her hair out and she just.
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  Easily just brushes off tim's genuine
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  inquiry because he's at the the age
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  where he's starting to think about things that early on people do that you know
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  there's people out there that when they're young they're really starting to
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  make sense of they're they're coming into more and more consciousness I guess
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  and he has this just this authentic question he asks the big bang,
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  and then the teacher's just like I don't know and he says like could it have
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  contracted you know the big crunch theory you know he didn't say all of that
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  he probably didn't know about all of that but he was trying to understand this
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  world and he might have heard something on you know National Geographic or something,
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  you know, that sparked his interest about this.
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  And she just just dismissed it completely.
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  And I don't think you can ever really ever just dismiss somebody's question,
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  because if they press you enough, they're real.
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  They're going to get out of you how genuine to the core you are.
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  Are you because I'm I'm of the opinion that.
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  That if I want truth, if somebody wants to press me and I start getting defensive,
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  or I just don't want to hear it, I might not have that good of an argument and
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  I might not be willing to listen.
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  My eyes might be shut from hearing another viewpoint.
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  And this teacher, her doing that changed the course of history for Tim Pool.
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  But I also want to say that people within the church, people in the church tick me off.
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  People in the church I don't get along with all the time.
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  Just because you come in, you're
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  a Christian doesn't mean that you're no longer a sinful human being.
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  You're still a sinful piece of crap. You know, you are.
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  And I know we want to make it seem like people are good. People are good.
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  But if Jesus said that we are evil and he knew the things that were in us,
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  he knew the sinful hearts that we have.
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  If the man of the God, the God man said that, then it's true.
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  So this teacher, she said something, but I mean, I don't want him to think that
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  that should change everything because she said it. She is the authority in his life.
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  If it just got him to question it, that's great. That's good.
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  Because if we're open to truth, I think you will always land and end up.
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  If you are genuinely open to truth, you will end up at Christ. Always.
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  You will always end up at Christ because he is truth incarnate.
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  And I know that's just an assertion. That's just a claim. But I believe it's
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  true. I believe that is the truth.
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  You know, not everybody's going to get on board with that and align with that.
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  But I think there is evidence.
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  And I think that this shift in our culture that is happening,
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  people, people are their eyes are being opened.
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  They're looking to Christianity because it has become cool in a sense.
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  In a sense, it has become the popular talking point.
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  But I want to continue because at the end of this, Tim Poole,
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  he's actually going to bring up, and I think he starts getting,
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  he starts opening his heart a little bit to Bill Maher and what he really believes
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  about God and this world.
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  And he starts going into the idea of consciousness, that we all have consciousness.
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  And they go on this whole, this little discussion about entropy,
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  you know, and how everything goes to randomness. You park your car in the garage
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  and you leave it there for a few years. It's not going to get better.
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  Even though it might be in the garage and safe, it's not going to be as good
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  as it was when you first put it in there.
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  For some reason, things in our world, they start breaking down.
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  This coffee that I have, it's cooling down as we speak. It's no longer hot.
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  Not as hot as I'd like. But you can get warmers out there that will keep your
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  coffee hot. That's defying the laws of physics.
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  But they go on this whole tangent about entropy and all that.
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  And then this is where Tim, he actually opens up and he starts going into the
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  consciousness realm and how if there's consciousness with us,
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  then wouldn't that mean there's something out there with consciousness above us?
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  He's going to go from the lesser to the greater. From two weeks ago,
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  some people live in that. I can't. I have to always retard entropy.
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  But so that is negative entropy, which can only exist. Yeah.
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  So what is negative entropy? Exactly what you described.
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  Oh, fixing it. Yeah. But that can only exist within a greater system of entropy.
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  And so I'm reading this and I started reading about how matter coalesces.
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  You know, hydrogen becomes helium, it diffuses the greater elements and things like that.
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  The elements become compounds, becomes, you know, chemical compounds,
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  becomes single cellular life, becomes multicellular organisms.
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  I kind of view it like, on top of that, fire.
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  We know it exists, we can make it. And what is fire? It's the releasing of energy
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  from carbon and oxygen slammed together and the energy gets released.
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  And the energy was stored from solar energy, which we view as some type of fire.
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  It's fusion, which we're watching in the sky, but it works similarly, right?
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  And so then my thought was, consciousness exists, at least I can say for myself
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  because I experience it.
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  But if consciousness is a component that exists within the universe, it's a component
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  mathematically, like in the code of the universe, same as fire,
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  is there probability of a higher form of consciousness?
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  Yes, completely. Just like fire can be a forest fire, can be a star,
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  or even a gigantic supermassive black hole.
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  Consciousness exists in the universe as a component of the universe.
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  Thus, the universe experiences consciousness. So I wonder if God,
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  then, is not scripture-based, but that there is something beyond our singular consciousness.
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  You get where I'm trying to go with it? I don't know. I think it's really deep
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  for a redneck. I really. I'm from Chicago.
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  Okay, right there. I don't think this is not scriptural, Tim.
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  I think this is, you can pull this out of scripture.
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  If you really get into, I don't know if, I don't know how much Tim has read
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  the Bible, but I know a lot of things change when you start really reading it and going through it.
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  And, you know, book by book, you know, it is a library of books.
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  But i think you can extrapolate that that god
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  is a conscious being and there are things that
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  that used to describe god you know it almost
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  in human terms but it's a way that like like
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  i said if you had a father if everybody's got a father everybody's got a father
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  or parents or a mother when they're a little child that little that that adult
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  parent needs to speak almost in a lower language to communicate with the child
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  if they just start using huge words the little kid's not even going to know with it, know about it.
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  And if, even if a baby, you do the goo goo, gaga or whatever,
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  I never really did that much, but like I didn't, I don't speak in the same way
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  that like, if I'm talking to, you know, a person I work with or something like that.
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  So everybody's got, and I think that the language that used in the Bible,
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  God is communicating to people and him doing that in the, the,
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  the descriptions that gives of God, he is a conscious being.
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  And this whole consciousness thing, the more that I dwell upon it.
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  I would say it's the, that we
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  have spirits, like almost everything in this world that has made animals,
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  plants, you could, you could in a way say that they have a soul,
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  but there is a unique thing where humans are breathed into them, the life of God.
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  And then that is the spirit in the Bible. It talks about when you die,
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  like the animals, they're, they die and they go to, they go to the ground,
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  you know, but it says that humans die and their spirit goes to be with the Lord.
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  There is something that transcends this small window of space and time that
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  we have that is going to last beyond the grave.
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  And I think that consciousness is that spirit that people have.
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  Everybody's got it. We can't deny that we are thinking about things.
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  And just the idea that we're thinking about things should cause you to really think about stuff.
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  Because why am I reasoning, why am I even talking about a higher being out there?
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  There's got to be something different between just humans than animals.
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  The animals aren't out there looking to God or why they came into the world, but humans are.
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  We somehow reached and attained this level of conscious awareness.
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  And Tim was taking it from the lesser to the greater.
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  And I think Bill, he got lost a little bit in it.
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  And you'd almost have to listen to it over and over of what is driving Tim's viewpoint.
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  And he said earlier in it, he would say the things about scripture and all that,
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  he thinks that it's silly and none of that is going to sway him and make him
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  believe in God or the Bible or Christ.
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  They're just writings of people. There is a unique thing that is different between
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  the Bible and every other holy book that is out there. The Quran,
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  the Book of Mormon, all that.
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  There is a very big difference between the Bible and all of those other ones.
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  Those other ones were created in a small window of time, a very small window of time.
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  Muhammad wrote the book within his lifetime. He spoke it. You know,
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  he was illiterate, but he spoke and he had people write it down.
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  And the Book of Mormon was just created by one guy, Joseph Smith.
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  You know, and then they had these other books that were compiled a little bit.
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  But within this very short window of time, the Bible is so different because
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  it was written over 1,500 years, 1,500 years. America has not even been United
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  States for like more than 250.
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  And this book that was 66 books written by 40 different authors in three separate
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  continents. I know the continents are really close together,
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  but three separate continents from all walks of life.
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  And they put together, and this just came supernaturally together.
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  It had to have been supernatural.
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  It does not contradict when you, because you can say, oh, it contradicts itself in certain ways.
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  When you really get down to it, it is minuscule. if you could even say there
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  is a seemingly contradiction in the Bible. Very minuscule.
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  Nothing fundamental, nothing really drastically changes when you really look at it.
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  So I hope Tim Poole, he starts, he looks into, I'm sure he's read it.
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  He might have said he's read it before.
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  But when people have brought up scripture or things about the Bible,
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  he does look like it is new information to him.
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  Because a lot of people, people get sound bites from the Bible because it's,
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  unless you really, unless you believe what it is, it's hard to really get absorbed into it.
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  It's just another book that's out there, a long book that has certain things
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  that like can really be seem boring if you don't know what you're looking at.
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  Now, these guys, I needed to talk about the, the, the Alex O'Connor,
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  he just had a, an awesome sit down last week, or it was released last week of John Lennox,
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  who is a, a Christian, an Irish Christian, a brilliant person,
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  and they had a very good conversation and went into so many.
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  I think it was just Alex has completely changed his demeanor and his approach to this stuff.
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  And it seems by the video, he is getting warmed up more and more because he
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  knows almost from both sides, he could spout the talking points from both sides.
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  And he didn't press John Lennox that much in certain ways, but he,
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  but John Lennox on the same way he said, I didn't press the things that are in the back of my mind.
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  I didn't press them as well on you to challenge your viewpoints and taking them
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  to their logical conclusion, because this is your podcast.
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  And they went into so many different things, but like, I just go to that.
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  I say that because it seems like every video he comes, he's just, he's playing with fire.
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  Every video he's playing with the fire of God and he's, and the closer you get to it.
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  You know, it is that, what nature do you have? Do you have the clay nature that
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  you're gonna be hardened by the fire?
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  Or do you have that wax nature that you're gonna be melted and absorbed into the fire?
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  And that's where like anybody that's outside and looking in,
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  you could say, be praying for people's hearts because God is the only one that
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  can change people's hearts.
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  And so many times Alex is always talking about, there's no free will and all this.
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  And I kind of agree. I kind of agree that there really isn't when you really
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  like flesh it out. Like, do we have free will?
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  I mean, I'm choosing to pick up this cup of coffee. I might even take a drink.
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  Yeah, I did that. Yeah, I did that. But what made me do that?
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  And what is do I have the choice that I like coffee?
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  Like, I think we have the choice to make decisions and do things,
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  but I don't think we have the choice, the ability to change what it is we want.
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  We can't choose our desires. And you might have, there might be something in
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  you that you're like, I wish I wanted to do that.
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  I wish I wanted to get up and go to the gym every day.
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  I wish I wanted to do X, Y, or Z, but you just can't do it.
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  I wish I started liking broccoli. I want to like broccoli.
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  And you can kind of work yourself into it and try to do it as much as you can.
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  But even that, what is the decision before that? Why are you wanting to want to go work out?
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  Why are you wanting to, we live in a world that is all randomness.
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  And it seems like everything is in motion and we're just along for the ride.
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  And I think if you get into it biblically, that is what is happening as well.
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  It says every day of our lives was ordained before one of them came to be.
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  That means every day you're getting up, you're walking into the day that God ordained for you.
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  You're making free choices. You're doing this. You're doing that. But really...
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  It was in the mind of a God from eternity past. I know this might seem silly
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  and nonsense to a lot of people.
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  A lot of people that don't believe in God or the Bible and all that,
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  you know, it's a different wavelength, a different language.
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  And I've been on the side that you're on, if that helps. I haven't always believed this.
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  And I think you got to cross that one hurdle of who is Christ and the resurrection.
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  The resurrection, that was the vindication that he was who he said he was.
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  And he, all the claims about him, you know, and that he was shown to be the
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  son of man, the son of God, his claims, the Christ, all of that.
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  And everything he said, Moses wrote about me, all the prophets,
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  they were writing about me.
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  That is a pretty, you got a high view of yourself, Jesus,
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  a pretty high view of yourself, Jesus, unless you're true,
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  unless what you think about it is correct unless it is true you
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  are a megalomaniac jesus but but
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  these guys jordan peterson you should check out that
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  jubilee video it's very good and he like i
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  said i said in a video i did yesterday i think he just feels unworthy and he
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  wants to so precisely define terms about everything you ask him something what
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  do you believe about that you know or it's like And I don't think he says it
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  when he wants to say it. Well, what do you mean by believe?
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  He doesn't say it all the time. He doesn't say every sentence that somebody
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  is saying to him. He doesn't say it every time, but only certain times.
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  And when I think he wants to, maybe when he's not so sure about himself, he says it.
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  I think there is that sense in that feeling of unworthiness that he doesn't
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  want to claim something that, yeah, it's pretty, I think he has a very high
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  view of God and he wants to if I'm coming to God, I'm coming to Christ.
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  He is doing what the biblical mandate is. Jesus said, before you come to me, count the cost.
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  Before you do it, count the cost. Because otherwise, if you go say,
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  I'm going to go build something and then you don't end up doing it, you look like a fool.
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  If you say, I'm going to start this journey and then you don't follow through
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  with it, you look like a fool.
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  And that's the people, the apostates, that turn their back on Christ and go the other way.
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  And I think Jordan Peterson is very much counting the cost and he doesn't just
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  want to be all in until he is all in.
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  But you got to, this is the triggering word. This is the triggering word.
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  You got to confess Christ. You got to confess him as Lord and not just in your
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  heart, but with your mouth and to people.
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  That if somebody, if you're in church or you're in some building,
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  you're at work, I don't know, this is a pretty bleak and dark or wherever.
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  And somebody comes and says, they're going to kill all the Christians.
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  That will really prove to you who believes and who doesn't. If people come in
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  with guns and they say, we're killing all the Christians.
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  I didn't really believe all that. You know, I was just saying it,
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  you know, I don't believe in all that.
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  And I think, I think Jordan wants to be at that point in his heart and fully
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  devoted before he does that. and I, just that he's open.
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  All these guys I feel are open and they are being warmed up by the Holy Spirit to God and to Christ.
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  And it's just a matter of time. It is just a matter of time.
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  Joe Rogan, he has so much, he is a guy that's been having conversations for
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  years in front of everybody, hearing everything that is out there.
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  He's heard it, you know, from the man on the moon to the, you know,
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  to the mermaids out in the ocean or whatever.
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  He's heard everything, every theory hypothesis or belief structure,
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  he has heard it. It's been presented to him.
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  And that's what's tough because is there truth?
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  You know, with a lot of things, things can just get more and more confusing.
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  People can be ever learning, but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth.
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  And I think Joe is getting closer and closer.
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  He's seen that there is more truth into the claims of Christianity than to everything else.
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  And I just, I just know that these guys, if they do come into the church and
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  they do embrace Christ, because the guy that was pressing Jordan Peterson on
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  Jubilee, he was like, you're, I see you're going to a Catholic church.
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  You're going to that. You know, I I'm of the, I'm the, the Catholics don't got everything right.
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  And I don't think the Orthodox got everything right or the Baptist or the,
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  you know, evangelicals or messianic You could go on,
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  you could list it out for days and days of all the different denominations,
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  but not everyone has the sole piece of truth.
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  And that's why the Bible is the sole piece of truth.
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  That's where we can kind of align and what is real and what is not.
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  Everything else you could say is man's opinion.
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  But all right, so I wanted to just go through all this. And if you have any
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  questions or anything like that, put it in the comments. I would love to hear
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  it. And if you, if, if you think I'm on this, if I'm right about this,
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  that these guys, they are the face of the direction of Christianity.
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  And when, when these guys come into it, you know, they're going to bring a lot
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  of baggage in good ways and bad, you know,
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  a lot, they got huge platforms, but then when it, when Christianity is popular
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  and cool, if, if you get drawn to go into a church because they said they're
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  giving out gas cards, when they stopped giving the gas cards,
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  you might not want to go to church anymore,
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  you know, and going to church doesn't make you a Christian.
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  That is just, you know, a thing that you do to, you know, draw closer to people that have like mind.
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  All right, but we'll leave it at that. Have a great day, everyone.