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Allison Anders at Harry Dean Stanton Fest · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 7: here for a very specific reason, I'm welcoming back....
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  Speaker 5: Oh, is this where I say my name?
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  Speaker 7: You know your name.
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  Speaker 5: Lucy Jones.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, normally you just would rotate in like you're
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  Speaker 7: here every week, but that's the thing I was thinking today.
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  Speaker 7: It's been a long time.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's actually literally been years since I've done
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  Speaker 5: anything with anyone, so that's a weird thing to think about.
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  Speaker 7: It is. That's why I was like, I guess we
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  Speaker 7: should bring you in like people don't know you every week,
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  Speaker 7: because it hasn't been an every week thing in a
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  Speaker 7: long damn time.
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  Speaker 5: Pretty heartbreaking. stupid don't forget me don't forget me people
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  Speaker 5: i'm still part of the movie meltdown family whether you
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  Speaker 5: like it or not i like it look here you
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  Speaker 5: are i don't want to be disowned.
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  Speaker 7: Uh i think it goes the other way people are
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  Speaker 7: just like i don't i don't know that podcast I've
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  Speaker 7: never listened to that podcast.
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  Speaker 5: Well, you will always have a special place in my
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  Speaker 5: heart because among other things, you introduced me to the
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  Speaker 5: concept of podcasts. Way back when you approached, I don't
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  Speaker 5: even know how it all started, but I had no
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  Speaker 5: idea what a podcast was.
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  Speaker 7: Isn't that sad that I was the forefront of that
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  Speaker 7: and now everybody else in the free world has a podcast?
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  Speaker 7: And somehow they're all like making a living at it
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  Speaker 7: and I still like, here we are.
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  Speaker 5: You have bragging rights. You're the OG.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah. Then I always find other people that have been
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  Speaker 7: doing it for like a year longer.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, if you're making money off stuff, then you're not,
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  Speaker 5: you know, the real deal anyway.
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  Speaker 4: Exactly.
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  Speaker 5: I'm saying you have to die. And then we'll look back.
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  Speaker 5: He'll be like, shit, Brian invented that stuff.
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  Speaker 7: That's my plan. Started a new photo series. And right
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  Speaker 7: now people just go crazy.
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  Speaker 5: Hell is this i don't i don't want you to
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  Speaker 5: die by the way i don't i didn't let me
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  Speaker 5: take that back we've had enough losses lately i don't.
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  Speaker 7: Really care okay it will make things easier at some point.
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  Speaker 5: Oh my god this is getting really dark i think
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  Speaker 5: we need to switch gears all.
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  Speaker 7: Right then So, what brings us here to your fair city?
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  Speaker 5: Well, I'll tell you. And I don't get to say
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  Speaker 5: annual anymore. And I keep wanting to say annual, but
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  Speaker 5: I feel like COVID has kept us from being able
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  Speaker 5: to say annual. I mean, it still was.
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  Speaker 7: It's just something. jerk came along COVID and screwed everything up.
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  Speaker 7: So we just have to like leapfrog a couple of years,
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  Speaker 7: but you know, you were still thinking about it at
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  Speaker 7: that time every year? Always.
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  Speaker 5: If were it not for COVID, this would be the
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  Speaker 5: 10th annual Harry Dean Stanton Fest. As it is, it's
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  Speaker 5: just the 10th Harry Dean Stanton Fest, but that's still
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  Speaker 5: a tremendous milestone.
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  Speaker 7: I think.
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  Speaker 5: So we're really grateful and excited. And I, I always
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  Speaker 5: think it's my favorite year ever, but But I think
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  Speaker 5: this year has kind of, I mean, obviously we all
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  Speaker 5: love all of our guests and there's been some amazing moments,
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  Speaker 5: but I feel like bang for its buck, like, and
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  Speaker 5: also tears shed in a good way. There's been tears
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  Speaker 5: shed in a bad way before.
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  Speaker 7: There's been a lot of tears shed.
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  Speaker 5: But there's tears shed in a good way. I feel
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  Speaker 5: like this Harry Dean Stanton Fest, you know, I feel
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  Speaker 5: like in the past it's sort of there's been more
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  Speaker 5: of a focus on his films because it's a film festival.
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  Speaker 5: But I feel like this year we've really had more
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  Speaker 5: of a focus on Harry Dean the man.
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  Speaker 7: And The myth, the legend.
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  Speaker 5: But also the human being. And so I think that's
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  Speaker 5: been really lovely. We've had people very close to him.
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  Speaker 5: We had Harry's biographer talk about him and his research.
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  Speaker 5: We had Billy Swan last night, who was a lifetime friend,
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  Speaker 5: telling amazing stories. And he wrote a song for Harry
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  Speaker 5: that he performed. And I did not expect to ball
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  Speaker 5: like a baby, but I balled like a baby. And
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  Speaker 5: then he started crying. And then everybody's crying because we
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  Speaker 5: miss him. And he was just so beloved. And I
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  Speaker 5: will be totally honest. I'm saying this out loud and
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  Speaker 5: on the record. There was part of me that was
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  Speaker 5: thinking that maybe this would be the last Harry Dean
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  Speaker 5: Stanton Fest because it's the 10th anniversary of And I've
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  Speaker 5: been kind of wanting to transition it into something, like,
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  Speaker 5: a little, like, broader and a little more inclusive and
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  Speaker 5: something where we, still in his honor, have, like– In
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  Speaker 5: his spirit, we have a different honoree every year, a character, actor, actress.
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  Speaker 5: And so we're starting that festival next week with Cy Richardson.
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  Speaker 5: And there'll be great continuity because we'll start out with
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  Speaker 5: Repo Man. But in many ways, I was kind of
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  Speaker 5: thinking maybe this is the last one. Maybe Ten's it
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  Speaker 5: and then it evolves into this other thing. And then
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  Speaker 5: Billy played that song and we're all crying. And I'm like, no,
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  Speaker 5: as long as there's like a single person in the
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  Speaker 5: world who remembers Harry and wants to share his story,
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  Speaker 5: we will do it. If there's five people in a room,
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  Speaker 5: we will do it. So there we go. anyway have
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  Speaker 5: i had too much coffee is that what's going on
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  Speaker 5: i feel like maybe that's what's going.
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  Speaker 7: On that's what i was gonna say maybe that's why
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  Speaker 7: this is such a good year is up until that
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  Speaker 7: moment you've seemed pretty calm and things aren't currently on
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  Speaker 7: fire or anything so it's been yeah it's been it's
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  Speaker 7: been good so far so i'm glad you're having an
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  Speaker 7: easy ride yeah and maybe that was all just pent
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  Speaker 7: up because you're used to just like yelling at people
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  Speaker 7: all weekend.
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  Speaker 5: Oh yeah i just spent a lot of time screaming
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  Speaker 5: i'm really a task master i'm known for that.
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  Speaker 7: But now this this year you didn't have to do
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  Speaker 7: any of that so that was just pent up frustration
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  Speaker 7: waiting unleash it upon you guys so you got the
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  Speaker 7: you got the benefit.
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  Speaker 5: Of that sorry sorry for the monologue it's just a train.
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  Speaker 7: Of thought well yeah i was gonna i was gonna
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  Speaker 7: definitely get to uh the new not even handing the
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  Speaker 7: baton The Running Alongside Festival.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: We'll definitely be back for that in the near future.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. Oh, is this in podcast time and not real time?
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  Speaker 7: Okay.
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  Speaker 5: In the near future.
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  Speaker 7: Yes. Doesn't it come after this one? Yes, it does.
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  Speaker 7: In real time?
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  Speaker 4: In one week.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I didn't know why. If there's like a reason
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  Speaker 5: you weren't saying in one week.
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  Speaker 7: Oh. It'll be next episode. How about that? Cool.
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  Speaker 5: Perfect.
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  Speaker 7: Plan your life accordingly. Yes.
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  Speaker 5: But Character Fest. Yes. And the first person we reached
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  Speaker 5: out to said yes.
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  Speaker 7: That's pretty good.
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  Speaker 5: Which is amazing.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, that's how it all started, right? Wasn't that
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  Speaker 7: your first person? You were like, hey, I wonder if
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  Speaker 7: we could get him. And then lo and behold, there
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  Speaker 7: he was.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, Hunter Carson showed up out of the blue.
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  Speaker 7: As a full capping off with more Paris, Texas talk. Indeed.
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  Speaker 7: So it's all come full circle.
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  Speaker 5: It has indeed.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: So Character Fest will be honoring Cy Richardson. And because,
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  Speaker 5: unbeknownst to most people, but not people in Lexington, Kentucky, Lexington,
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  Speaker 5: Kentucky is in fact the center of all things. So
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  Speaker 5: when we reached out to Cy Richardson and said, hi,
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  Speaker 5: we're doing this festival. It's a spinoff of Harry Dean
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  Speaker 5: Stanton Fest. Would you be interested? He said, wait, in Lexington?
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  Speaker 5: That's weird. That's where my in-laws are. So his wife
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  Speaker 5: is a Lexingtonian.
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  Speaker 7: Hmm.
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  Speaker 5: So it's going to be basically a family reunion. His
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  Speaker 5: guest list is 35 people. And that makes me so happy.
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  Speaker 7: There is like a weird connection a lot of times
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  Speaker 7: that I don't understand. Because I'll meet people that are
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  Speaker 7: at a thing that I'm at in some part of
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  Speaker 7: this area.
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  Speaker 8: Of the country.
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  Speaker 7: And they have some weird connection. And I'm like, how? Why?
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  Speaker 7: So it's very strange.
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  Speaker 5: I think there's actually a really good explanation for it,
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  Speaker 5: but I can't remember what it is. But it involves
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  Speaker 5: like placement on the planet and I don't know, like science.
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  Speaker 7: Nexus of time and space. Yeah, exactly. All funnels through
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  Speaker 7: this state. Yep. All right. I'm buying it. So we
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  Speaker 7: can get back to that Harry Dean talk. Sure. But
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  Speaker 7: it's been a long damn time. It has been a
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  Speaker 7: long time.
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  Speaker 5: How's it going? You know, it's going great. We won't
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  Speaker 5: talk about the C word, but yeah, it's been a
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  Speaker 5: wild ride, but we're getting, yeah. I was just about
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  Speaker 5: to mix a bunch of metaphors.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I totally was about to turn this into a
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  Speaker 7: different kind of podcast at that point. I was like, well,
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  Speaker 7: all right then. There goes my plans for later. So,
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  Speaker 7: but yeah, that aside, I mean, normally we'll kick things off, so.
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  Speaker 7: In the last several years, have you seen any movies?
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  Speaker 5: I mean, just a movie a day for like two
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  Speaker 5: solid days.
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  Speaker 4: Years.
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  Speaker 7: All right, let's list them. You want to do alphabetically
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  Speaker 7: or should we start chronologically?
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  Speaker 5: Stupidly, I stopped taking a list somewhere around day like 600.
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  Speaker 5: I just stopped. But no, it was.
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  Speaker 7: A good run. You watched tons of movies.
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  Speaker 5: I did.
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  Speaker 7: I'm lucky to work some in. I plan and do
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  Speaker 7: stuff for the show. And then other times anymore, I'm
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  Speaker 7: just like, if I can get a few in this week. Fair.
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  Speaker 7: I've given up during the week. I'm trying to fight
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  Speaker 7: with editing this mess. So, like, the weekends, it's nice
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  Speaker 7: to just be like, okay, I'm going to watch some things. Like,
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  Speaker 7: what do I want? What do I need to watch?
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  Speaker 7: What do I want? And then I end up watching
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  Speaker 7: something ridiculous most of the time.
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  Speaker 8: Fair. So, yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Fair.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a pretty common trajectory. So are you asking
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  Speaker 5: me if I've seen anything good lately?
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  Speaker 7: I mean, you can do that if you want. Again,
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  Speaker 7: that's a normal episode thing, but if we've gone so
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  Speaker 7: far away from it.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, honestly, I've only been watching Cy Richardson movies because.
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  Speaker 7: There's nothing wrong with that.
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  Speaker 5: While we already have the festival programs, you know, I...
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  Speaker 5: I assume I'm going to be the one doing the
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  Speaker 5: Q & A, so I want to kind of not
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  Speaker 5: sound like I don't know what I'm talking about. So
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  Speaker 5: I've done a deep dive and it's amazing. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: he's made some really interesting, fun, great. I mean, I
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  Speaker 5: don't know if as a character actor you really make choices.
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  Speaker 5: Sometimes you kind of just get what's thrown at you.
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  Speaker 7: Take a job.
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  Speaker 5: But I think that. interesting directors are attracted to him
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  Speaker 5: because he's an interesting person. So, you know, I mean
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  Speaker 5: like the director lineup for this year's festival, it's like
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  Speaker 5: John Carp, we've got a John Carpenter film. We've got
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  Speaker 5: a Jim Jarmusch movie. Obviously we had to like pull
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  Speaker 5: back and not make it an Alex Cox festival as well,
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  Speaker 5: as much as we would enjoy doing it because we
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  Speaker 5: love Alex Cox.
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  Speaker 7: He was great.
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  Speaker 5: He's so great. There's a Dennis Hopper movie. There's a
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  Speaker 5: Mario Van Peebles movie that I think for me is
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  Speaker 5: the most overlooked movie in the festival. And I was
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  Speaker 5: shocked and appalled when I went back to Rotten Tomatoes
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  Speaker 5: and saw that.
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  Speaker 7: Is this the same one that I saw in the
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  Speaker 7: theater probably?
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  Speaker 5: If it was 1993 and you saw Posse.
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  Speaker 7: Is there a whole lot of Mario Van Peebles with
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  Speaker 7: a shirt on?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Because that's what I remember about him.
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  Speaker 5: Well, and that's a very memorable part.
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  Speaker 7: I'm not saying he doesn't have reason to brag and
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  Speaker 7: open his shirt. Yeah. But.
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  Speaker 5: And cast a pretty lady.
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  Speaker 7: I'm like, aren't you also the director of this movie?
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 5: But he was going for, well, I mean, look, I'm
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  Speaker 5: not complaining. And nobody's going to complain.
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  Speaker 7: When we get to Mario Van Peebles year. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 5: That would be a dream.
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  Speaker 7: Good lordy.
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  Speaker 5: But, you know, Melvin Van Peebles is in it as well.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: He was known to cast himself a time or two.
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  Speaker 5: And it is just phenomenal watching it now. I've not
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  Speaker 5: revisited it.
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  Speaker 7: I have a copy of it that I'm planning to
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  Speaker 7: watch in the next week.
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  Speaker 5: Honestly, do.
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  Speaker 7: I'll report back.
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  Speaker 5: And please do, because the cast is just, I mean, unparalleled. Like,
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  Speaker 5: it's a huge cast. And it's a cast of, like,
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  Speaker 5: very known actors, but also, like, musicians, people in the
• 12:51
  Speaker 5: hip-hop community who didn't have as much experience acting. But
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  Speaker 5: most interestingly, a lot, like, almost all black filmmakers... have
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  Speaker 5: a role in this film as actors. Like, the cast
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  Speaker 5: is just filmmakers who he's cast. Like, I guess friends
• 13:04
  Speaker 5: of his dad, people his dad's worked with. Also, like,
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  Speaker 5: directors who he feels like he just wants... Like, he
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  Speaker 5: put everybody in this movie.
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  Speaker 7: He's paying tribute, but in this Western that really nobody
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  Speaker 7: knew what to do with at the time.
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  Speaker 5: At the time. But now, I mean, I feel like
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  Speaker 5: the world's ready for it.
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  Speaker 7: I blame Stephen Bald.
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  Speaker 6: Well.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I'm not going to say anything on record
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  Speaker 5: about that.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, the Baldwins have endured a lot, so I
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  Speaker 7: don't think it'll be fine. Yeah. They're easy to poke
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  Speaker 7: fun at. But also, the.
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  Speaker 5: Stephen Baldwin character is supposed to be Well, I don't
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  Speaker 5: want to say. I've said terrible things about people on
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  Speaker 5: this podcast. And I'm trying to be gentler and kinder. Like,
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  Speaker 5: my theory was always that, like, oh, these people will
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  Speaker 5: never hear this or know. But I'm just putting it
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  Speaker 5: into the universe.
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  Speaker 4: That's not always true.
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  Speaker 5: I need to always put positive things into the universe.
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  Speaker 5: I will say that Stephen Baldwin sort of plays a
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  Speaker 5: buffoon in the movie. And so it doesn't feel terrible.
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  Speaker 7: There you go. He's an actor. It's fine. He's acting. Well,
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  Speaker 7: along those lines, I've done that. But again, I'm still
• 14:09
  Speaker 7: catching up on Psy, so I've been deep diving into Allison.
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  Speaker 7: So I've watched a lot of her stuff. All those
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  Speaker 7: early movies, some of which I hadn't seen. So I
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  Speaker 7: went back and was like, okay, let's fill in the
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  Speaker 7: holes here. Yeah, pretty much all those early movies I've
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  Speaker 7: seen now. And it's quite an impressive run, especially coming
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  Speaker 7: into it as she did and just sort of being
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  Speaker 7: thrown into it. I mean, she climbed her way there,
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  Speaker 7: but at the same time, not having a ton of
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  Speaker 7: professional experience as we'll find out in just a little while. Um,
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  Speaker 7: so yeah, it's interesting to see how polished they were
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  Speaker 7: and what great actors she had from the get go.
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  Speaker 7: And like, just, yeah, it's an amazing lineup. So, That's
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  Speaker 7: what I've been watching for weeks now.
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  Speaker 5: That's the best way to spend a couple of weeks.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, she is such a profound talent and such
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  Speaker 5: a wonderful person. It's just been a joy to have
• 15:02
  Speaker 5: her here. And her work is incredible. I mean, she's
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  Speaker 5: a pioneer. She is a very important figure in American
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  Speaker 5: independent cinema. And the fact that she had... Just the
• 15:12
  Speaker 5: sheer chutzpah to reach, you know, to say, hey, these
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  Speaker 5: are the movies that I love. These are the people
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  Speaker 5: making them. I'm going to reach out to them vendors
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  Speaker 5: and say, you know, I'm interested in what you're doing
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  Speaker 5: and create a video. relationship with him and then say
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  Speaker 5: hey I'm also going to come.
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  Speaker 6: Work on this movie that you're doing amazing she's amazing
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  Speaker 6: I mean that's just so punk rock and she's just
• 15:35
  Speaker 6: so cool and then to have that experience and then
• 15:37
  Speaker 6: for that I mean I won't jump ahead but because
• 15:39
  Speaker 6: I know you're about to interview her and she's going
• 15:41
  Speaker 6: to say all this herself.
• 15:42
  Speaker 5: And I'm just going to fumble through it but.
• 15:44
  Speaker 7: And I will also give her those props like I
• 15:47
  Speaker 7: don't know how you pulled that off but more power
• 15:50
  Speaker 7: to you.
• 15:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah she's awesome she's awesome so and I just love
• 15:54
  Speaker 5: how she and Harry connected you know.
• 15:57
  Speaker 7: Everybody again he's the new Kevin Bacon everybody's connected to
• 16:02
  Speaker 7: Harry Dean just one move away he's.
• 16:06
  Speaker 5: The unacknowledged Kevin Bacon he predated Kevin Bacon just for
• 16:12
  Speaker 5: whatever reason everyone latched onto this Kevin Bacon idea but
• 16:15
  Speaker 5: I think it's probably much easier to get from person
• 16:17
  Speaker 5: to person with Harry Dean.
• 16:18
  Speaker 7: Stanton especially going old Hollywood wise.
• 16:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah I mean he worked with literally every director yeah
• 16:24
  Speaker 5: From Hitchcock to, yeah.
• 16:25
  Speaker 7: It's funny. I don't know that people, A, reference that anymore.
• 16:29
  Speaker 7: I would assume kids have no idea what the hell
• 16:31
  Speaker 7: I'm talking about when the Kevin Bacon game and or
• 16:34
  Speaker 7: the way to run your life at this point. Because
• 16:36
  Speaker 7: it's funny that I still do that. Not even specifically
• 16:38
  Speaker 7: Kevin Bacon. But when I see, like, it's weird having,
• 16:43
  Speaker 7: as you mentioned, done this show for a thousand years.
• 16:45
  Speaker 7: Forever now. So I so often see people on TV
• 16:48
  Speaker 7: and I'm like, oh, I talked to him and like
• 16:51
  Speaker 7: not even just watching a TV show. Well, you know,
• 16:54
  Speaker 7: not even thinking about it. I'm like, oh, wait, I
• 16:56
  Speaker 7: know them. But then like now I do everything else
• 17:00
  Speaker 7: by that. I'm like. Well, they worked with this person,
• 17:03
  Speaker 7: so I'm one move away from this. So, yeah, I
• 17:07
  Speaker 7: gauge everything. I talk to this person and they work
• 17:09
  Speaker 7: with them, so I'm one move away from that person.
• 17:12
  Speaker 5: So, really, it should be the movie meltdown show.
• 17:14
  Speaker 7: As far as I'm concerned.
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: Or the movie meltdown game.
• 17:15
  Speaker 7: But I don't think anyone else cares. If you do,
• 17:19
  Speaker 7: write your congressman. I don't know how this works, but
• 17:22
  Speaker 7: see if you can get it officially changed. Fair.
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: Congressperson.
• 17:29
  Speaker 7: That too. Yeah. So. Other than that, what else is
• 17:34
  Speaker 7: going on?
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: I don't know. I don't know. We're about to kick
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: things off and I'm going to sell some T-shirts.
• 17:41
  Speaker 7: Which are awesome.
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah, David Kring is our artist this year and he
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: is phenomenal.
• 17:46
  Speaker 7: After the fact, if someone was interested, is there a
• 17:49
  Speaker 7: post way to.
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: That's a really good question. We always just create a
• 17:53
  Speaker 5: limited number so we don't go broke.
• 17:55
  Speaker 7: I certainly understand that. There's a reason I quit making
• 17:58
  Speaker 7: t-shirts for the show because no one cared and they
• 18:00
  Speaker 7: cost a lot of money. Right.
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: And more so every day. So we'll sell as many
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: as we sell and then whatever's left over we've been
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: taking to CD Central in the past. So if you
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: want to come to Lexington, CD Central is also a
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: sponsor of the festival. You can come by and purchase
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: one there.
• 18:18
  Speaker 7: Just throw a lot of money at Lucy and maybe
• 18:21
  Speaker 7: she'll find one of them.
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: I will say a lot of people from like out
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: of the festival have reached out and been like, I
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: want a t-shirt and I love you and I want
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: you to have a t-shirt. But I am very nervous
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: about becoming a mail order business because that's something that
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: I just don't have room for in my life. Also,
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: I have a lot of post office anxiety. It's literally
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: my least favorite thing to do and I'll put it
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: off until it becomes like the most giant chore of
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: all time. I don't want to put either of us
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: through that. So just come to the festival. If you
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: want a t-shirt, just come to the festival.
• 18:49
  Speaker 7: That is the best plan. Yeah. And it's a lovely
• 18:52
  Speaker 7: little area here. You can come hang out here.
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 18:56
  Speaker 7: Go patron the local businesses. Yeah.
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: Lexington's a delight. And the Kentucky Theater is a legitimate treasure.
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: We're so fortunate to have it. Also, about to celebrate
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: its centennial. It will be 100 years old this October,
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: and there's going to be a whole month of celebrations.
• 19:11
  Speaker 7: It is kind of amazing. Yeah.
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: No, truly. And thankfully just reopened under new management because
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: the old management left, and there was sort of a
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: moment where we didn't really know what was happening.
• 19:20
  Speaker 7: And that can go horribly wrong because there's a reason
• 19:22
  Speaker 7: I don't have one of these theaters in my town. Right, right.
• 19:25
  Speaker 7: Because management changed, and the new person screwed them over
• 19:28
  Speaker 7: and bulldozed it. So, yeah. Yeah. So if you have
• 19:32
  Speaker 7: one in your town, be glad and go visit them.
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 19:35
  Speaker 7: And at least once a year, come here to this festival.
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: Yes, I like all of that. And that might have
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: to be the takeaway because now I'm getting text messages
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: and realizing that I haven't taken the list out to
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: the front gate.
• 19:45
  Speaker 7: She has work to do. Look, you guys are distracting her.
• 19:50
  Speaker 7: so we're gonna take our break here we might come
• 19:52
  Speaker 7: back with a special guest and then we'll just come
• 19:56
  Speaker 7: back and round things out how about.
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: That hi this is monty helman i'm you're listening to
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: movie meltdown.
• 20:17
  Speaker 7: Alright, well you've already heard us discussing our special guest
• 20:20
  Speaker 7: for this episode, so there's no need for me to
• 20:22
  Speaker 7: list off her accomplishments and movie titles, but cause we're
• 20:26
  Speaker 7: about to cover that right now. So I say we
• 20:28
  Speaker 7: go ahead and get into it, as we focus on
• 20:31
  Speaker 7: director Allison Andrews. Well, this film festival in particular is
• 20:50
  Speaker 7: very Kentucky-based, Kentucky-centric, since Harry Dean himself is Kentuckian. And
• 20:57
  Speaker 7: definitely an extra crossover with you, because I remember being
• 21:00
  Speaker 7: a kid from Kentucky that was interested in movies and
• 21:03
  Speaker 7: thought it was impossible to do that. And from my end,
• 21:06
  Speaker 7: I was right. But you found a way, like some
• 21:09
  Speaker 7: sort of loophole to escape and make movies, and so...
• 21:14
  Speaker 7: Not that there's anything to escape from, but... Right. That's
• 21:18
  Speaker 7: the other thing I was going to say. It was
• 21:20
  Speaker 7: such a different world then, because I remember being interested
• 21:23
  Speaker 7: in it, and there was no way to find out
• 21:26
  Speaker 7: about it. Even if they were shooting in this area,
• 21:28
  Speaker 7: which was rare, you didn't know anything about it until
• 21:31
  Speaker 7: it was after the fact half the time. So it's like,
• 21:35
  Speaker 7: going all the way back, I guess when you were little,
• 21:37
  Speaker 7: were you already interested in the arts in general, or
• 21:41
  Speaker 7: was it just sort of a slow... Going up to
• 21:45
  Speaker 7: get to the point where you were like, I think
• 21:46
  Speaker 7: I want to get into this.
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: Well, I remember, I mean, we had just a spectacular
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: movie theater.
• 21:54
  Speaker 7: We had several.
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: But we had the Paramount Theater in Ashland, which is,
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: of course, the performing arts theater now. And it's even
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: more beautiful now than it was when I was a
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: child after they restored those frescoes, which I never saw
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: as a kid. So, but the seating and everything and
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: the glamour of that space and then seeing movies there
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: was just, it was just insane. It was like so,
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: I don't know how you could not be in love
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: with movies.
• 22:25
  Speaker 7: I think that all the time and I still meet
• 22:27
  Speaker 7: people that are just, it's not even on their radar.
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I know.
• 22:30
  Speaker 7: I don't understand that, but.
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: Especially now when everybody sees everything on TV and they
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: see it streaming and stuff and they're not seeing it.
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: In a beautiful movie theater, which I'm going to totally
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: take in tonight.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: Kentucky Theater.
• 22:45
  Speaker 7: Kentucky is gorgeous.
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: Which I've never been to, so I'm super excited.
• 22:49
  Speaker 7: It's nice.
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: So, you know, I just really, I mean, I would
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: go to Double Features and stay all day, you know,
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: either at the Paramount or the Capitol, which wasn't as beautiful,
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: but it was great. And, I mean, it would be
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: totally great mid-century nowadays, you know, but... But the Paramount
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: was really special. And, of course, they made them, the
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: studios made them special for movie palaces. And they really were,
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: you know, the Paramount. Performing Arts still has all the,
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: you know, the powder room, the ladies' powder room.
• 23:28
  Speaker 7: Kentucky's still got a little of that layout. Yes. It's
• 23:30
  Speaker 7: a little more compact. Oh, that's great. Oh, I can't wait.
• 23:33
  Speaker 7: But it's still got that, yeah.
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's just kind of, you know, so those
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: were inspiring to me. And, of course, I loved movies.
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: I loved movies and I loved records.
• 23:43
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: So I put them together somehow.
• 23:46
  Speaker 7: That's what I was going to ask. because I can
• 23:48
  Speaker 7: cheat and go forward in time, and I know how
• 23:49
  Speaker 7: involved in music you became through film. So it's like,
• 23:53
  Speaker 7: were you tempted to go down that road? Were you
• 23:57
  Speaker 7: already having skills that's like, I think I want to
• 24:00
  Speaker 7: get into music? Or did you just not get into
• 24:03
  Speaker 7: that and lean towards film?
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so I thought about music. I mean, I sang
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: on a couple of records and stuff like that. I
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: was in a folk rock band in high school, and
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: But it was really not, I just didn't have it.
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: You know, I wasn't special with music. But, you know,
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: this is why we have children. And so I have
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: a daughter who is a musician and has the most
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: beautiful voice and can play anything.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: This is why you have.
• 24:30
  Speaker 7: Children, to force them to do things you didn't want
• 24:32
  Speaker 7: to do. Yeah. I never got to do this. You're
• 24:34
  Speaker 7: going to do it.
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: Maybe you have that talent. Yeah. Oh, my gosh.
• 24:40
  Speaker 7: But then, so yeah, if you weren't leaning towards music,
• 24:43
  Speaker 7: I guess at what point did movies become something that's like,
• 24:47
  Speaker 7: I think I can do this? Because, I mean, you
• 24:49
  Speaker 7: grow up watching them, but it's like it's, especially then,
• 24:52
  Speaker 7: it was just miles and miles, you know? It's like
• 24:56
  Speaker 7: halfway across the world before you get to someplace that's
• 24:59
  Speaker 7: making film from where you were. So it's like, how
• 25:02
  Speaker 7: do you make that leap? I know there was a
• 25:04
  Speaker 7: lot going on with you when you were younger.
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: Well, I didn't really know... People made movies. When you're
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: watching movies as a kid, you don't understand that they're
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: being made by somebody. And that it's actually a job
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: you could do.
• 25:19
  Speaker 7: That it's a job. And that you could do it.
• 25:21
  Speaker 7: It's a regular job for a lot of people.
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: And it's a harsh job, which I found out later.
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: Really what I took to most was writing. And then
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: through writing, I started to find... Once I decided to
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: go to film school, I realized, oh, if I'm just
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: studying screenwriting, then some... asshole director's going to come along
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: and ruin what I've written. So I thought, I better
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: become a director too so that I can keep control
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: of my script.
• 25:58
  Speaker 7: So it was really through writing. That's a good plan. Yeah,
• 26:01
  Speaker 7: it's through writing. It's far-fetched for a lot of people,
• 26:04
  Speaker 7: but you made it work. Good for you.
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so really, I think that really as a director,
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: I'm writer and actor driven. So, you know, often this
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: causes confusion on a tv set because they're writers who
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: don't direct for the most part yeah and that's always
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: they're they're expecting you to be standing looking thoughtfully at
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: some angle and having your fingers up to show the
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: frame that you're going to get to people and pointing.
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: I don't know what that's all about, but there's a
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: lot of pointing that directors apparently.
• 26:45
  Speaker 7: Are expected to do. You obviously need to.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: Do more pointing.
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: So when I'm not doing those things, they're a little.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: Less than confident.
• 26:56
  Speaker 7: Wait, who's directing? Nobody's pointing. Nobody's yelling about things. What's
• 26:59
  Speaker 7: going on?
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: Exactly.
• 27:00
  Speaker 7: So I went to UCLA film school and.
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: Made my first film, and I just loved doing it.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: So, you know, from day one.
• 27:14
  Speaker 7: And then we're going to get to Paris tonight, Paris, Texas.
• 27:19
  Speaker 7: So how did you end up in the middle of that?
• 27:22
  Speaker 7: Because that's... I mean, if that's the only thing you did,
• 27:25
  Speaker 7: that's got to be an amazing story. So how did
• 27:27
  Speaker 7: you end up being part of that?
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: Well, I wrote Wim Wenders some letters because I really
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: loved his film Lightning Over Water, which was a bizarre
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: kind of half documentary, half not film that he made
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: with Nicholas Ray and Ronnie Blakely.
• 27:51
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: I loved that movie, and so I wrote him a
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: fan letter. And eventually, I got his phone number, and
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: I called him on the phone. So this whole relationship began,
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: you know, where I started. He told me I could
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: keep writing to him, and I did. And he says,
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: maybe one day I'll write you back. And then one
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: day he called me when I was already in film
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: school and said he was coming to town, and if
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: I wanted to show him my movie, I could. Because
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: he had read my script for my very first movie.
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: And he came and saw it. And then meanwhile, I
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: told him that I had actually won a grant to
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: go study under him on Paris, Texas.
• 28:31
  Speaker 7: Convenient that this all came together.
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: I told them he had invited me.
• 28:40
  Speaker 7: He knew nothing about it. Whether he knew that or not,
• 28:43
  Speaker 7: he invited you. Yeah.
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: So then I went to study under him, basically, on Paris, Texas.
• 28:49
  Speaker 7: I mean, that's where you go.
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 28:52
  Speaker 7: Not only does he know what he's doing, but he
• 28:54
  Speaker 7: has his own different way of doing it that you
• 28:56
  Speaker 7: don't get with a lot of directors. That's right.
• 28:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 28:59
  Speaker 7: Well then I guess I definitely wanted to get to
• 29:02
  Speaker 7: like kind of jump ahead to get to Border Radio
• 29:05
  Speaker 7: because I feel like that's looking back at it now
• 29:09
  Speaker 7: like watching it it's so ahead of the curve. Like
• 29:12
  Speaker 7: what became those indie films of the 90s that everybody
• 29:15
  Speaker 7: references you guys beat them to punch. Like you were
• 29:18
  Speaker 7: doing it years before them and it still kind of
• 29:22
  Speaker 7: has that vibe that you get from those people that
• 29:25
  Speaker 7: came after but yeah it was so ahead of the game.
• 29:28
  Speaker 7: So like how did That come together, and then, again,
• 29:31
  Speaker 7: how well, I guess you've done stuff at UCLA and
• 29:35
  Speaker 7: done PA work, but how prepared were you to take
• 29:39
  Speaker 7: on your own project?
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: Well, and the thing is that I only ever worked
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: on one movie that I didn't make. So that was, uh,
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: that was Paris, Texas. I never worked on another movie again.
• 29:50
  Speaker 7: Yeah, exactly.
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: So, um, so, uh, Dean Lent and Kurt Voss and
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: I all went to UCLA film school together, and we
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: had all made our movies kind of together. They were very,
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: like we had done our first films, and then our
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: second films, Dean.
• 30:14
  Speaker 7: Shot all three of our films.
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: So after that, we just decided, hey, well, no. What
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: happened was we had finished making our movies, and then
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: people saw our movie screen, our second films, and they
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: were like, oh, my God, this is like a new
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: movement of movies here within our film school. And they
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: really were different from everything else. They were black and white.
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: They had a certain sensibility, you know, mine being very
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: inspired by Vim, Kurt's being very inspired by Herzog. and
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: Dean's being very inspired by Kubrick. So there were three.
• 31:00
  Speaker 7: No slouches in the bunch. Yeah, no, there were three real.
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: You know, whereas some of our, you know, fellows were,
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: you know, trying to be Hollywood directors and stuff, and
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: we were adamantly not trying to be that. So, and
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: we were also very involved in the punk scene, Kurt
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: and I more than Dean, and so we, and that
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: DIY culture, so.
• 31:23
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: You know, so we... But there was a gem, a genius,
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: a champion working in the tech office, and his name
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: was Billy Woodbury, and he's an African-American, I must say,
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: very handsome man, and quiet.
• 31:46
  Speaker 7: And just....
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: And he came and watched the movies, and he said,
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: you guys need to make a feature, and I'm going
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: to help you. So we have a Bless Their Little
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: Hearts poster in Border Radio that's Billy's film. And so,
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's just one of the most amazing movies
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: ever made that Billy made. directed, and then Charles Burnett
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: shot it. And it's just this gorgeous, now it's part of,
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: you know, it's like this genius work of the L.A.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: Rebellion is what it's called now.
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: But it was called nothing back then.
• 32:34
  Speaker 7: You didn't know you were starting a rebellion.
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: Billy was really struggling. So, you know, so he helped
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: us with the equipment, and he helped us, you know,
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: more than I can begin to say. I mean, without him,
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: we we couldn't have made a feature. So we just started.
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: At first we tried to do a noir film, and
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: then we realized, that shit is hard.
• 32:57
  Speaker 7: Especially if it's of era. If it's neo-noir, you can
• 33:01
  Speaker 7: kind of escape by. But trying to do costumes and sets.
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: Very hard.
• 33:05
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: But just to pull off a noir storyline.
• 33:09
  Speaker 7: Is really hard.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: So, yeah.
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: So we then... It just took on a life of
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: its own, basically. And then we cast some local musicians,
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: Christy and John Doe. Christy from The Flesh Eaters, John
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: Doe from X.
• 33:32
  Speaker 7: I was going to ask if there was a John
• 33:35
  Speaker 7: Doe connection, because he's still, by that point, music-wise, he's
• 33:39
  Speaker 7: a pretty huge name. Oh, yeah. To lure him into
• 33:42
  Speaker 7: making this movie is impressive.
• 33:43
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: Well, that came through Christy. We approached Christy first, and
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: then Christy got John Doe and Dave Alvin in, and
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: so we really kind of went from there. It was
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: kind of amazing.
• 33:55
  Speaker 7: And that sister.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 33:58
  Speaker 7: I don't know how you lured her. I kind of
• 34:01
  Speaker 7: love her. I've got to say. She's so fun.
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: Cool, cool, cool.
• 34:04
  Speaker 7: Thank you. But, yeah, that just has such a specific
• 34:09
  Speaker 7: vibe to it. Again, it's of that era but ahead
• 34:12
  Speaker 7: of the curve. So then as you get to, like,
• 34:15
  Speaker 7: making something like Gas Food Lodging, like, was that a
• 34:19
  Speaker 7: much bigger step? You know, it's a much bigger budget.
• 34:23
  Speaker 7: You've got more of an official, like, film shoot kind
• 34:26
  Speaker 7: of going there. Were you prepared for that leap?
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: You know, not really. I mean, I had never really
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: worked with a crew. So, I mean, I worked with
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: a crew on Paris, Texas, but I didn't know that
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: as a director what that would be like. So I
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: really still didn't quite know what everybody did. So it
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: was pretty heavy. But then it was just like I
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: never had a frazzled day. Once we were shooting, I
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: just loved it. I just loved it from minute by minute.
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: I just had a great time. And there was nobody
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: being– There was just no ego stuff going on. I mean,
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: it was just great.
• 35:12
  Speaker 7: And lucked into this cast of up-and-coming. I mean, Farooza
• 35:15
  Speaker 7: Balk is so different than what you get to know
• 35:19
  Speaker 7: her as. She makes other stuff. So this little innocent
• 35:23
  Speaker 7: version of her. And then Ioni Skye is always kind
• 35:26
  Speaker 7: of amazing.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: And for Ioni, she was playing against type. as people
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: knew her, you know, in Say Anything. You know, so
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: she did this whole about face, and she's just wonderful.
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: I mean, she's beautiful in Say Anything as well, you know. So,
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: you know, she can just do so much. And then
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: Brooke was fantastic. And then to get James Brolin was
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: my coup, you know, and to get him playing against type,
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: you know, and not being a deadbeat dad, you know.
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: um that was pretty cool well then.
• 36:02
  Speaker 7: You must like Ione just to kind of jump ahead
• 36:04
  Speaker 7: a little because I did want to get to four
• 36:06
  Speaker 7: rooms and like that's again by that time all these
• 36:09
  Speaker 7: other filmmakers sort of caught up to what you were
• 36:11
  Speaker 7: doing and then there's this group of like how do
• 36:14
  Speaker 7: you get in the middle of that like that is
• 36:17
  Speaker 7: you know you've got some of the filmmakers that changed
• 36:20
  Speaker 7: the industry at that point certainly by the time Tarantino
• 36:22
  Speaker 7: was involved so It's like what all was involved in
• 36:26
  Speaker 7: putting that together, and then were you there from the get-go,
• 36:29
  Speaker 7: or did they see your work and be like, hey,
• 36:31
  Speaker 7: come be part of this?
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: Oh, well. No, I was there from the start, and,
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: you know, it's a long, it took a weird, it
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: was fast, but it was a long road to how
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: it all came together.
• 36:49
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: Basically, it was four friends trying to make a film together,
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: and then it kind of got.
• 36:56
  Speaker 7: That's hard to do.
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
• 36:59
  Speaker 7: That's a lot of moving pieces and people.
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it also kind of got Miramax was involved, so
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: it became a different deal completely than what we had
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: originally intended.
• 37:14
  Speaker 8: But.
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: But it was fun. I mean, I got to work
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: with Rodrigo Garcia again that I worked with on Mi
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: Vida Loca.
• 37:22
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: And I loved working with all the actresses.
• 37:26
  Speaker 7: So great. Oh, yeah.
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: So we had a good time.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: We did.
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: It was a little intense.
• 37:33
  Speaker 7: I would think it would have to be trying to
• 37:37
  Speaker 7: juggle all of that. I mean, it's hard enough to
• 37:38
  Speaker 7: do one shoot, let alone four that you're then shoving together.
• 37:41
  Speaker 7: For sure.
• 37:42
  Speaker 8: For sure.
• 37:42
  Speaker 7: Yeah. Well, there's a lot of others I'd like to hit,
• 37:46
  Speaker 7: but I know we won't have time. So let me
• 37:47
  Speaker 7: at least jump ahead because I know you mentioned doing TV.
• 37:51
  Speaker 7: And that's such a different world as far as directing.
• 37:55
  Speaker 7: So I wanted to see what your take is. Because
• 37:57
  Speaker 7: I feel like it's an entirely different job. As you said,
• 38:00
  Speaker 7: they expect different things from you, but you also don't.
• 38:05
  Speaker 7: Because you're almost coming in as a hired hand. You
• 38:07
  Speaker 7: don't have control over everything. Well, you have control over nothing.
• 38:11
  Speaker 7: How is that dealing with somebody who's starting from the
• 38:14
  Speaker 7: ground up making your own project to then just being
• 38:17
  Speaker 7: put in the middle of somebody else's thing?
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: You know, it's pretty terrible, I've got to tell you.
• 38:22
  Speaker 7: I mean, I'm glad I did all of it because.
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: You know, I have a beautiful retirement, not from my films,
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: but from TV.
• 38:30
  Speaker 7: It's a great job. The job part of it is
• 38:34
  Speaker 7: seemingly so much better than the filmmaking job. Well, yeah.
• 38:39
  Speaker 7: But artistically speaking, it's not. Oh, no, no.
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: No, and it's a really hard job for not having
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: any power whatsoever. So you're just always kind of like, okay,
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: and you never are going to know until you get there.
• 38:54
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: Which job is going to allow you to have a
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: brain or they just want a body there, or they
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: just want somebody that points, you know, and, and, um,
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: Talks about camera, lenses, and you just never know what's
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: going to happen. They really don't want you to bond
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: with the actors for the most part.
• 39:13
  Speaker 7: Because you're not there for long.
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and they want the actors doing what they want.
• 39:19
  Speaker 7: It's a showrunner's game now.
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: So it's really a weird thing. So the actors are
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: all like, oh, a real director's coming. And then you're like,
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: and then you can just see them crestfallen when they're
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: not being directed. Yeah, because you can't direct them. So,
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: you know, it's a weird thing. My best experiences, I
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: have to say, were on, for some wild reason, were
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: on cop shows. And the wild reason is probably because
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: on each of the cop shows, and I worked on
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: the best of them. So I worked on Southland, and
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: I worked on Murder in the First. So the showrunner
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: on Southland was John Wells, just a marvelous, marvelous human being,
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: and just such a classy filmmaker. And Chris Chulak, who
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: was his directing producer... was just magnificent because he's a
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: wonderful director. And then on Murder and the First, I
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: had the great Stephen Bochco, the father of.
• 40:25
  Speaker 7: He kind of knows what he's doing in that department.
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: The father of modern TV drama. And then the directing
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: producer was his son Jesse, who was magnificent.
• 40:37
  Speaker 7: So... So I.
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: Had tremendous freedom on those. I mean, to where, you know,
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: and they were so respectful of directors and so respectful
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: because they knew that I respected the scripts also. So
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: it was just, those two shows were wonderful and I
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: did a bunch of them on both of them. And
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: then other shows, you know, I mean, there were, you
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: get stuff out of each one. You know, you kind of,
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: You know, Sex and the City taught me a ton.
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: I loved working with that whole team. And then, you know,
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: other shows like I did Turn, Washington Spies, and, you know,
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: I directed five characters based on my ancestors. So it
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: was just crazy. You know, I was like, you're playing
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: my ancestor.
• 41:35
  Speaker 8: Yes.
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: Different than Riverdale. I was excited to see Riverdale. Oh,
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: Riverdale was fun. That was fun, especially the first season.
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: I had a great experience working with the writer of
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: the episode. And that's when it's really wonderful when you
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: can have this working collaboration with a writer. And in
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: that case, that was one of the best times that
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: I had, working with a writer.
• 42:02
  Speaker 7: Yeah, you get stuff that crosses over and lends itself.
• 42:05
  Speaker 7: to new viewers and yeah a whole new generation i
• 42:08
  Speaker 7: just i've been watching it since the beginning because i
• 42:10
  Speaker 7: thought it seemed like such a cool idea and then
• 42:12
  Speaker 7: now my my niece loves it so it's like now
• 42:15
  Speaker 7: we sit around talking about it she's like she's like
• 42:17
  Speaker 7: oh my god have you seen this new one and
• 42:18
  Speaker 7: i was just so true it's good to bring in
• 42:21
  Speaker 7: the new viewers that's right absolutely Thank you, Brian. Do
• 42:26
  Speaker 7: you have anything to tell people to look for? Or
• 42:29
  Speaker 7: do you have stuff that they... I'm working on something.
• 42:33
  Speaker 7: There's one that's been in the works for a long
• 42:35
  Speaker 7: time that I saw in the listings.
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
• 42:38
  Speaker 7: Does that come back? Or is that literally the same
• 42:40
  Speaker 7: story that you started on decades ago?
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: Yes, 30 years ago.
• 42:45
  Speaker 7: All right.
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: It's called Paula's Dead.
• 42:47
  Speaker 7: Yep, that's what I saw. I was like, I'm pretty
• 42:49
  Speaker 7: sure that was like your big follow-up movie.
• 42:51
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 42:52
  Speaker 7: 30 years ago? Exactly.
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: And so, you know, finally, we're casting now, and, you know,
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: hopefully we'll be shooting in October.
• 43:06
  Speaker 7: That's a long road. If all goes well. That's a
• 43:08
  Speaker 7: long road.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 43:10
  Speaker 7: Sure is. But, again, it all leads where it needs
• 43:12
  Speaker 7: to go. Yeah, that's right. Well, thank you for being
• 43:15
  Speaker 7: with us. Looking forward to seeing the Kentucky tonight.
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: Thank you. And I got to tell you, I love
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: being in Kentucky.
• 43:23
  Speaker 7: Oh, yeah.
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: You know, if you have to leave Kentucky to go
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: become a filmmaker or whatever, come back.
• 43:31
  Speaker 7: Because I'm coming back.
• 43:32
  Speaker 5: Well, that's the thing.
• 43:33
  Speaker 7: You don't have to now. You really don't have to.
• 43:35
  Speaker 7: It changed so much. You could definitely get into writing here. Oh, yes.
• 43:39
  Speaker 7: I know several people that have started shooting based out
• 43:42
  Speaker 7: of Louisville. And they're all year long. They've got stuff
• 43:45
  Speaker 7: lined up.
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: And you've got a tax break now.
• 43:47
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: And the other thing is, listen, my little hometown, Ashland, Kentucky...
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: Three women directors out of Ashland, Kentucky. There you go.
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: Martha Stevens.
• 43:59
  Speaker 7: I've talked to her. Yeah. She's great.
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: So, you know, I mean, we're storytellers here.
• 44:06
  Speaker 7: Definitely. We own it. There you go.
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: We own storytelling in Kentucky.
• 44:10
  Speaker 7: And found a good way to get it out there.
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 44:12
  Speaker 7: Definitely. Once again, thank you for being here.
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: Thank you.
• 44:16
  Speaker 7: All right.
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: I knew that he was making this movie, so.
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: He called me from San Francisco working on the script
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: with Sam Shepard and said, I'm coming to Los Angeles
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: and I wonder if you can find time to show
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: me your film. So this was an 8mm film, you guys.
• 44:50
  Speaker 7: 8mm with 16 sounds.
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: But he had read the script, given me notes. I mean,
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: it's crazy when I think about my luck, you know.
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: So he came to L.A.
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: And I, meanwhile, had won this grant, which he said congratulations.
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: And I said, oh, thank you. It's to study under
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: you on Paris, Texas. Because I lied and said that
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: he had invited me. So I won the grant.
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: And then he's like, oh, my God, well, I guess
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: you have to come.
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: And so I said, well, these.
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: Two guys also won the same grant. There were four
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: of them, and we won three of them, all based on.
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: A complete fabrication.
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: So we went, all three of us, and they kind
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: of worked.
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: Traditionally kind of PA work.
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: Which I did not do because Vim kind of, I mean,
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: I wasn't good with the walkie-talkies.
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: I didn't know how to do it. I couldn't drive.
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: I was just like a really bad production assistant.
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: So he had me moving around in different departments. And
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: so one of the things that he, you know, which
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: was invaluable because I learned how, you know.
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: The props department worked and the wardrobe department and all
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: of that.
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: So then he had me, he said, I want you
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: to run lines with Harry Deeney. and I had no
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: idea what he was talking about, but I was like, oh, fantastic,
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: you know, so I went in the trailer with Harry, and,
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: you know, I'd run the lines with him, you know,
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: read the other parts, and you would, you know, read
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: his stuff, and it was amazing to see how he,
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: I mean, I worked with actors that were, you know,
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: student actors, you know, and so I hadn't ever seen
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: a real actor work before.
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: And it was just amazing. You know, when Vim said.
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: In that thing that he sent me about his lack
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: of self-confidence, which is, it.
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: Was very fragile, you know, and he was always questioning things.
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: Like, when I'm watching the movie, I'm thinking about all
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: these questions he constantly had about the character, you know,
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: and I mean, I actually think the lack of self-confidence
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: in art is great. Because I think too much confidence
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: is really bad.
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: I think you're not discovering things then.
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: And so he, and obviously Ben feels the same way
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: about it. And so one day what had happened was
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: that Dean Stockwell and Harry were running lines with me.
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: So they were running their.
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: Lines, and then I was participating, you know, probably reading
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: Ann's lines or whatever, you know.
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: So, or the lady at the car rental place.
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: That's the kind of thing that I was doing, you know,
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: feeding those lines. And so Harry says, he was stomping
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: around the trailer going.
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: God damn it.
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: Bim isn't telling me anything about this character. Like, is
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: he mute? I mean, what is he doing? You know,
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: why is he not talking? He won't tell me anything.
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: Sam won't tell me anything.
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: And he's like, I mean, is he catatonic? And I'm
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: just like completely naive.
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: And I'm like, you know, I was catatonic before when
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: I was 16.
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: And him and Dean just look at me.
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: They just stop everything and they look at me. And
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, I was catonic. I said, I
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: wrote a poem about it. And Dean looks at me
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: and he goes, honey, would you happen to have that
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: poem with you?
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: And for some weird reason, I did. I actually had
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: it with me in Texas. So they just started grilling me.
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: So it was hilarious because one of my buddies had
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: to go back to the hotel and.
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: Get my poem out of the, you know.
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: So, but they just grilled me, and they were like,
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: you know, what, Harry.
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: Was like, could you hear people talking to you? And
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: I said, oh yeah, I could hear people talking to you.
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: He goes, well, why didn't you talk? And I was like, it.
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: Just felt like, you know, if I talked, I would just,
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: as he always remembers me saying it, I said.
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: I would just lose it.
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: Now, I had kind of already lost it, but I
• 49:22
  Speaker 4: felt like, you know, that I would.
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: Just never stop, you know, that I would just fall.
• 49:27
  Speaker 7: To pieces kind of thing.
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: So then he asked, you know, was your voice shaky
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: or was it, I said, nope. I said, I just
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: one day, I was sitting in group therapy in the
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: mental hospital and I just like, blurted out.
• 49:42
  Speaker 8: Something.
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: And they all kind of went, whoa, she just talked.
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: And so when I see him say Tet.
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: Paris, you know, when he finally talks, it's just exactly
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: like I had told him that it was for me.
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: And Dean also kind of having this reaction of like,
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: oh my God, he just said something, you know. So
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: it's kind of what was amazing for me was the
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: fact that I just, you know, I had no idea
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: that my personal experience.
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: Like that could be something useful to an actor.
• 50:22
  Speaker 4: So now it's, but you have to wait for them
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: to ask. That's one thing that I have learned as
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: a director. You don't start sharing too much.
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: But, you know, if they ask, hey.
• 50:47
  Speaker 7: This is Hunter Carson, and you're listening to me have
• 50:50
  Speaker 7: a meltdown on Movie Meltdown.
• 50:52
  Speaker 5: It's part of your problem, you know.
• 51:00
  Speaker 7: You haven't seen enough movies.
• 51:01
  Speaker 8: All of life's riddles are answered in the movies.
• 51:05
  Speaker 6: And now, on with the show.
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: Al verme tan solo y triste como el viento Quisiera llorar,
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: quisiera morir de sentimiento.
• 51:39
  Speaker 7: All right, we're back. Thank you to Allison for, she
• 51:44
  Speaker 7: puts up with me. That's what I think is impressive
• 51:46
  Speaker 7: with any guest that's on the show. If they have
• 51:49
  Speaker 7: enough of a tolerance to deal with me, you know,
• 51:51
  Speaker 7: that's impressive.
• 51:52
  Speaker 5: You are selling yourself short. You are a delight.
• 51:55
  Speaker 7: So say you.
• 51:56
  Speaker 5: And Allison is a delight. So I can only imagine
• 51:58
  Speaker 5: what a delightful exchange that was.
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  Speaker 7: There was, I'm assuming there was nobody else in that vicinity.
• 52:05
  Speaker 7: Because we get into it and we're all excited and
• 52:07
  Speaker 7: we're talking loud. So I was just like, I wonder
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  Speaker 7: if there's somebody over there waiting for an elevator that's like,
• 52:11
  Speaker 7: what the hell are they talking about? That's awesome.
• 52:13
  Speaker 5: Do you guys get super nerdy?
• 52:14
  Speaker 7: I mean, do I have another mode? Fair. I feel
• 52:18
  Speaker 7: like that's, yeah.
• 52:19
  Speaker 8: That's a given, so.
• 52:22
  Speaker 7: Not everybody's going to ask her about Riverdale. Anyway, so
• 52:25
  Speaker 7: I did. That being said, I was trying to hit
• 52:30
  Speaker 7: the big ones there, so I didn't get to talk
• 52:32
  Speaker 7: about all of them, but I did want to bring
• 52:33
  Speaker 7: up in my continuation of things I've seen lately. Are
• 52:37
  Speaker 7: you familiar with Sugartown?
• 52:39
  Speaker 5: Um, I haven't been able to find Sugar Can.
• 52:41
  Speaker 7: I hadn't seen it until recently.
• 52:44
  Speaker 5: How did you find it? Because I've looked for it.
• 52:46
  Speaker 5: I'm not good at finding things. You found it on
• 52:47
  Speaker 5: that internet, didn't you? On that information highway. And I can't, uh,
• 52:51
  Speaker 5: I'm not.
• 52:51
  Speaker 7: Good at it. Because I, yeah, there were several of
• 52:53
  Speaker 7: them that were harder to come by physically, which is
• 52:56
  Speaker 7: everything anymore. I know I'm the only idiot buying physical
• 52:59
  Speaker 7: media now.
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  Speaker 3: No, I am.
• 53:00
  Speaker 7: Um, I just bought two new. I went out and
• 53:03
  Speaker 7: actually I have two. Psy movies, Criterion Edition. That's the
• 53:08
  Speaker 7: level of dork I am. That's awesome. Planning ahead on that.
• 53:12
  Speaker 7: But of the Allison, a lot of those I couldn't find.
• 53:15
  Speaker 7: And then somewhere I found that one. And I'm just like, okay,
• 53:19
  Speaker 7: I'm enough of a Duran Duran dork to know who
• 53:22
  Speaker 7: John Taylor is. So the fact that he got into
• 53:25
  Speaker 7: acting and I hadn't seen that movie, but he is
• 53:27
  Speaker 7: a lead, you know, it's a ensemble, but still he's
• 53:31
  Speaker 7: one of the main people in this movie. And the
• 53:33
  Speaker 7: whole time I'm just like, Duran Duran. You guys are awesome.
• 53:37
  Speaker 7: I'm a power station kind of guy. So yeah, I
• 53:40
  Speaker 7: was so excited to watch a movie that had John
• 53:43
  Speaker 7: Taylor in it. So I'm either old or a dork.
• 53:47
  Speaker 7: I'm going to go with both. Going to go with both.
• 53:50
  Speaker 7: It was a lot of fun though. It's a very
• 53:53
  Speaker 7: slice of life mixed together. It's this whole ensemble and
• 53:56
  Speaker 7: everybody's kind of got crazy stuff going on in their life.
• 53:58
  Speaker 7: So it's worth watching. Check it out.
• 54:02
  Speaker 5: If we can find it.
• 54:03
  Speaker 7: If you can find it. I'll have to remember where
• 54:05
  Speaker 7: it was, and maybe if you ask nicely and donate
• 54:08
  Speaker 7: to Lucy and get one of those t-shirts she won't
• 54:10
  Speaker 7: give you, I'll send you the place that I found it. Perfect. Otherwise, yeah,
• 54:15
  Speaker 7: in grace of my heart, which we didn't really get to,
• 54:17
  Speaker 7: but Ileana Douglas, man, there's something about her.
• 54:22
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean, she's Hollywood royalty, so genes don't stray far.
• 54:26
  Speaker 7: I suppose, but mostly she's just, I've found out in
• 54:31
  Speaker 7: recent years listening to people run down their film fests Which,
• 54:35
  Speaker 7: by the way, planting that seed. Because she just likes
• 54:38
  Speaker 7: to go to Film Fest and host them and do
• 54:40
  Speaker 7: the Q & As. And so she's like such a
• 54:42
  Speaker 7: dork on that level.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 54:44
  Speaker 7: That I'm like... Okay, that makes me like her more
• 54:47
  Speaker 7: because she's just kind of a movie geek, let alone
• 54:49
  Speaker 7: she's in a ton of great movies, but she's just
• 54:52
  Speaker 7: super movie dorky.
• 54:54
  Speaker 5: So, question, because we're thinking ahead about programming character quests,
• 54:57
  Speaker 5: but the question is sometimes, and this is actually something
• 54:59
  Speaker 5: I ran up against in thinking about Harry, is that
• 55:01
  Speaker 5: Harry actually didn't like being referred to as a character actor.
• 55:04
  Speaker 5: So there's part of me that kind of has felt
• 55:05
  Speaker 5: guilt about that, but he was in Drago's movie Character,
• 55:08
  Speaker 5: which was about character actors, and since he was in that,
• 55:11
  Speaker 5: I felt like it was sort of a tacit permission
• 55:12
  Speaker 5: for us to use... that moniker but would she consider
• 55:16
  Speaker 5: herself a leading lady who wouldn't want to be an
• 55:19
  Speaker 5: honoree of character fest or would she.
• 55:22
  Speaker 7: I feel like she's pretty relaxed about things anyway again
• 55:25
  Speaker 7: i haven't spoken to her i don't know any of
• 55:26
  Speaker 7: this but just the vibe that i've got but again
• 55:29
  Speaker 7: i think she likes hollywood history enough to just show
• 55:33
  Speaker 7: up and talk about harry dean or character fest or whatever.
• 55:36
  Speaker 5: Probably we would honor her because her body of.
• 55:38
  Speaker 7: Work that's another thing though ever do from that movie
• 55:41
  Speaker 7: and forward, you know, I feel like the character actor
• 55:44
  Speaker 7: thing isn't like the slap it used to be. Like,
• 55:47
  Speaker 7: I feel like it was something that probably somebody producers,
• 55:51
  Speaker 7: I'm sure, throw it around. And even people who are
• 55:53
  Speaker 7: actors that wouldn't consider themselves that would talk that way
• 55:56
  Speaker 7: about other people. I feel like now there's such an
• 55:59
  Speaker 7: industry and a fan base of people that just sort
• 56:03
  Speaker 7: of love movies that like, they mean that, you know,
• 56:05
  Speaker 7: in a loving way. And, They seek people out because
• 56:08
  Speaker 7: of these roles.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: Well, sure.
• 56:10
  Speaker 7: Which is, as you know, that's what you're doing. But
• 56:13
  Speaker 7: I feel like you're not alone. I feel like there's
• 56:14
  Speaker 7: a lot of other people out there. So I would
• 56:16
  Speaker 7: hope now there would be a ton of people who
• 56:18
  Speaker 7: probably fall into that category that aren't upset about it either.
• 56:22
  Speaker 7: They're just like, yeah, I am, and that's how I
• 56:24
  Speaker 7: pay my bills, and I'm glad that somebody even pays
• 56:27
  Speaker 7: attention to these kind of roles. Because you should. Those
• 56:31
  Speaker 7: are important.
• 56:32
  Speaker 5: Well, I asked Cy Richardson for a statement about it
• 56:35
  Speaker 5: because we were putting out a press release, a final
• 56:38
  Speaker 5: press release. And I said, you know, do you have
• 56:39
  Speaker 5: a statement about this? And he said yes, that he
• 56:41
  Speaker 5: was honored to be a character actor because character actors
• 56:45
  Speaker 5: are us. They are the people. And he is thrilled
• 56:48
  Speaker 5: to represent the people. So I loved that as a response.
• 56:51
  Speaker 7: Sometimes way more interesting than the leads.
• 56:53
  Speaker 5: So much more interesting. I mean, that's why we're doing
• 56:56
  Speaker 5: a Harry Dean stand.
• 56:57
  Speaker 7: Why would you, yeah, why would you want, you know,
• 57:00
  Speaker 7: regular normal actors?
• 57:02
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 57:03
  Speaker 5: Character actors.
• 57:03
  Speaker 7: That's the way to go.
• 57:04
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 57:04
  Speaker 7: Yeah. Go with character. So, so yeah, there you go.
• 57:08
  Speaker 7: Grace of my heart, Ileana Douglas, just planting that seed.
• 57:12
  Speaker 5: I love it.
• 57:14
  Speaker 7: All right. Well, we will let you get back to work.
• 57:16
  Speaker 7: You've got a lot of stuff to do.
• 57:18
  Speaker 5: Thanks for being here. It's always a pleasure getting to
• 57:20
  Speaker 5: chat with you.
• 57:21
  Speaker 7: If anybody's interested, where would they go to find out
• 57:23
  Speaker 7: about this in the interweb? In that interweb that you
• 57:25
  Speaker 7: don't go to, obviously. Right, right.
• 57:28
  Speaker 5: Www.harrydeanstantonfest.org. And if, again, have I mentioned that I'm a
• 57:32
  Speaker 5: total Luddite? Really trying to get that CharacterFest website up,
• 57:35
  Speaker 5: but somehow failing. But that'll be a thing at some point.
• 57:38
  Speaker 5: As of right now, you can go to the Kentucky
• 57:41
  Speaker 5: Theater website for information on CharacterFest.
• 57:43
  Speaker 7: So if you build websites and you're looking to donate
• 57:46
  Speaker 7: some time.
• 57:47
  Speaker 5: We'll give you some t-shirts.
• 57:48
  Speaker 7: There you go. That's how you get that t-shirt. All right. Otherwise,
• 57:52
  Speaker 7: that about does it. We will return next time. Same
• 57:53
  Speaker 7: geek feed. Thanks for listening. Bye.
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: Bye. Bye.
• 58:16
  Speaker 7: To smile around the world he took no fight and
• 58:20
  Speaker 7: jettisoned we'll go tonight to give him.
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: Hell oh well Gosh darn it.
• 58:50
  Speaker 4: You gotta be kidding.
• 59:07
  Speaker 8: Me.
• 59:08
  Speaker 4: Gosh darn it.
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: You've got to cut that out.
• 59:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you've got to cut that out for me now, Brian.
• 59:13
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