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Tops and Bottoms Ten - Joe M Tops Classic Who · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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Well, let's skip back to your classic list then for your top
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ten. Number one or #10 technically
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right? OK #10 let me see, what are we
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going to go for from this list? Best Classic 10.
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I'm going to say it's the greatest show in the Galaxy.
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Oh, the greatest show in the Galaxy.
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Apart from that bit, I don't that is horrendous.
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But aside aside from that, the McCoy era is one that I
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struggled with a lot when I first.
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I think just tonally it's such a shift from anything like so when
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I can't remember. I've spoken about it on one of
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these before, but the beginning of 2023 or 2024 whenever.
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It was a couple of years ago, probably even longer to be
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honest, but I started watching an episode every day on my
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dinner break of the classic series.
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So I was basically took me about two years to run through the
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whole lot. But I think that's a really nice
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way to do it because it means you're not watching chunks of
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stuff that was meant to be weekly.
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It's a nice sort of 25 minute. I'll get half.
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An hour make you reconsider some stories when you when you eek
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them out like that. I think so, yeah.
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I think any. And I still don't remember the
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mutants, but still the, there's a, there's something about that
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that makes you realise how elastic the show, the show's
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format is that I think it really brings home the changes and the
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reason that people look less fondly on the 80s than like
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people who grew up watching it in the 80s.
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I think I get the impression that that obviously they all
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love it or that they, you know, they are from it.
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But if you grew up in the 60s watching it, you can see why
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people would go. This is not the same show.
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And I think the the biggest handbrake turned is from Colin
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into Sylvester. And people go one or two ways.
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I I find that they either reject it outright or they love it
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wholeheartedly. Yeah, and I think there was a
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few, there was a few Mccoys on this on my sort of shortlist for
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this because it but it took me a long time and there's a lot I'd
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still like to go back and revisit.
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But I think I've, you know, my character is very much that of
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if, if I don't like it, I want to watch it again and I want to
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understand why I didn't like it because other people like it.
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So why would I not like it? Which is why there's stuff on
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there that I'll have stuff on this that I'll have only seen
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once, despite the fact that I love it and stuff that I hate
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that I've seen more than once. Warriors Gate because I just
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because I need to understand. So the greatest show in the
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Galaxy was I think. I'm trying to think where does
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that fall? Because I'm not.
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Very good with my seasons. It's the so it's the end of his
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second season, the end of 25. I think this is probably the
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point then really that I was, I was starting to get to the point
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where I was like, no, I, I, I'm, I'm starting to see what people
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like in this, in this doctor in this era, because I think it
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takes that long to, to really settle into it and great.
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It shows just, it's just so much fun and it's doing all of the
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things that I like about Doctor Who, you know, the filming and
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the tents and the having to, you know, sort of all the behind the
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scenes stuff is fun. It's interesting because it's a
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story and it's Doctor Who going against the odds again and
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managing to find a way around these insurmountable, seemingly
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problems that it has and still pulling off one of the best
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things that they've done in years.
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It's so imaginative, like I'm not saying there's no
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imagination in the 80s, but there is, there is a a degree of
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creativity in that story I don't think we've seen for a while.
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It does feel like we're sort of heading for a renaissance just
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as the the axe comes down. Yeah, no, exactly.
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And I mean, what's his name? Ian Redington?
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Is it? The clown is the fucking
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creepiest. Like never Mind It or Ronald
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McDonald, the Ian Redington is fucking terrifying.
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It's the bit where the robots surround Bellboy and he just
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sort of smiles and does his hand thing, doesn't he?
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Of like, yes, that's him dealt with.
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Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's just, it's just so eerie
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and I think the way that they would like the sound with the
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where they've taken the sound off the car moving past and
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stuff is just, it's just great. It's just.
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It's just. Score as well.
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Mark Hayes score is creepy as hell.
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It is, it's just, it's just one of the most, like you said more
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it's one of the most interesting and inventive versions of who
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that we've had for ages. And it's the sort of sci-fi that
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only Doctor Who can do. And I think a lot of the 80s
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stuff is feels like the sort of sci-fi that anyone could do.
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I think. I don't know if that's fair, but
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I think that's right, that there's a type of Doctor Who,
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there's a type of story that only Doctor Who can tell.
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And I think that towards the end of certainly towards, I think in
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the maybe, yeah, basically towards the end of Tom Baker's
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run it, it starts to do Doctor Who starts.
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I'm aware season 18 is absolutely mental.
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So it's not it's just really nice to have that stuff, that
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stuff back. It's the sort of stuff where I,
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I can see why kids would be interested in watching it.
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But I was thinking about this earlier that there's a, well,
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maybe we'll come back to this when we touch on the, the bad
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stuff, but there's a sort of look to the 80s stuff as well
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that feels more like the sort of kids telly that was on when I
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was a kid. So it's harder for me to take it
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seriously. Artificiality to it, isn't it?
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I find, yeah, that's sort of garishness, like tea bag, you
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know, the great mystery and stuff like that.
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It does look like a lot of the times, like it has been shot in
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BBC studios in a way that I think some 60s stuff doesn't.
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No, I think that. I think the early 60s stuff,
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well all the 60s stuff really is lent.
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I think the black and white kind of lends it that that air.
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So it is trickier once you get into colour.
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But then they managed it through the 70s.
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I can imagine, I can imagine the greatest show in the Galaxy
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turning up on a few people's lists, but I can imagine Mccoy's
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stories turning up on everybody's list.
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And it'll be really interesting to see because there's a lot of
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different tones in that era, what people choose.
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It isn't the first, it isn't the only time he's going to turn off
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this evening, but it might be the only time he turns off in
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this list. Oh great, yes, best classic 9.
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I feel like this is one that's going to turn up a lot.
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So I'm going to put it here because it it deserves, it
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deserves to be higher, but I don't, I don't.
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It doesn't need to be. It doesn't need my praise.
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I'm going to say the demons is my #9.
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The fights are there for all to see.
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Yes, I think it's fantastic, it's brilliant and there's
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nothing bad about it at all. It could easily be lots of
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people's number ones, which is precisely why I've tried.
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I think it might be the most trad.
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Atmospheric though, isn't it? It's so good and I just it it's
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like the Victorian period. It's just Doctor Who in
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villages. Is it?
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It's at its best, especially this period of the show.
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You know, Pertwee and Joe make sense in in a village.
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What you you know, it's just count.
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The things off on your hand. Chat with the Wings, Mike Yates
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and Benton in Civvies. Miss Hawthorne, BBC 30.
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Just wonderful. Yeah, there's just, there's just
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not a bad word anyone can say about it really.
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And I know that it may be, I don't know that it needs the
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five episodes, but I have never thought there's no, there's no
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bit. I would think to myself, I don't
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need this bit. Why do I need to spend less time
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in this village? You know?
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I just want to spend more time there.
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Could they squeeze on episode 6 out somehow?
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Yeah, like, I don't know that. I mean, my favorite bits are
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nothing to do with the plot at all, really.
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My favorite bits are the bit where the Master gets chased
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around by the by Bessie because it looks like an episode of Brum
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and I just love that. Oh, Lord Perk, we've been such a
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cunt when the man goes from, you know, are you one of those TV
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fellows or the wig Wig. It's that crazy.
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Master master as a vicar is perfect, especially Delgado's
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master as a vicar. I don't think I'd have trusted
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Amy's master as a vicar. I think that's.
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A suspensionless rationalist priest indeed.
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Yeah, he's, he's Delgado at his best.
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There's there's a reason he was around for so many stories at
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that that that period of time. You require no more explanation.
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The demons is a sound choice, and I think you're right.
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I think that will turn up quite a bit.
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Best Classic 8. I've got I've got a list of 10
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and I know where my top threes are, but these are all
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interchangeable I think at any given.
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Given you've prepared lists of faulty stories, the fact that
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you've not put them in any order, I mean, I feel like
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you're sabotaging yourself here. Probably.
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Well, I'll tell you what I started doing originally, if
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you, you know, was I wrote all of the stories or the entire
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classic series and the entire entire new series out on my
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notes app on my phone. And I started just going like,
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right, well, do I like the on earthly child more than the
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Daleks and on earthly. Child, no, you didn't do.
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That I started just doing the whole thing and I think I got
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maybe through to the middle of the perjury year before I just
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went this is fucking intolerable.
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Why are you lying to me on this call?
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Pretending to me? You've got a life, Jesus Christ.
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Like I say, I did eventually get bored of that so.
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That would have taken you a lifetime to do that.
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I couldn't, yeah, I couldn't be asked.
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It was it was too much. It's it's hard.
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It's hard though, because like I say, there's nothing I don't
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read like you know, all of it. I would rather watch than most
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other shows so. That's why I'm not doing it.
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I don't want to do the hard work, I just want to listen to
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the lists. Fair enough.
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Let's. Give me a top classic.
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Yeah, I will. Sorry, where?
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What about Evil of the Daleks? Then let's go for.
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Evil. Oh yes.
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I think this is one of those ones where the thing that really
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sticks in my head, they're always just stupid little bits.
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They're never like the story or the direction or anything.
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That's obviously the direction we can't really see, but it's
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the there's the the dialects being turned nice is just at
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this point in the show is so much fun.
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The dizzy, dizzy dialects and all that shit.
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I love it. Alpha.
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Beta. Omega.
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Yeah and the the ones getting bollocks who shouted you will
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obey and they look back and going I will not obey.
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It's just so much fun. Why?
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Yeah, that's it's just so much fun.
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Like my have I've been doing that with my kids.
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Like my little girl has to watch Evil, Evil and the Daleks.
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It's like she she likes that one.
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She's only three and we'd listen to the soundtrack to that in the
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car and the amount of times that I have had to go.
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You will obey and she'll go. I will not obey.
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You'd have to get it in there. So it's it's just great.
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But plus, you know, all of the the idea that I would kill to
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see the footage. I'm assuming I don't.
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Is it? Is it actually in the thing that
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drought was riding around on a Dalek?
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Yes, right. Yeah, at the end of the episode.
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Yeah, we're playing trains. I would kill to see that.
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I think that would be there's not much in terms of missing
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episodes stuff that I would want to see obviously all of it.
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But like if there was anything that if I could just find like
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just 10 second clip of that, I would be happy.
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And I think and I think the story holds together pretty well
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to be fair as well. It's not like I don't think it
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drags for. A Whoa.
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It's past, present, future. It's got monsters, it's got
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villains, it's got history. There's so much happening in
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there. Yeah, no, it's just it's great
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fun. Like a great big cake of Doctor
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Who, isn't it? Of everything it can do.
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Yeah, yeah, it's just really showing off.
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And obviously what's, you know, it's the end of Trout's first
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season. So like the sort of a bit of a
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victory lap really isn't it? Because it's just they've
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they've achieved something that would probably have seemed
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mental to even be trying at the time and.
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But I feel like they they pulled it off, they gave it some money,
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they gave it a good director. Dudley Citizen fucking aced the
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score, like the production assistant said in the Doctor
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Who. Make us think we knew.
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We knew we were making something special with this, but you know,
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like we were seeing the stuff coming in and we knew we'd sort
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of struck gold. Yeah, 1 episode man, I thought
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we've got oh tragic best classic 7.
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Kinder. Oh, you can't mend people.
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No, I think honestly, I was uncertain about between it and
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Snake Dance because I've tried to represent everybody you know
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in my list as well. I've tried to make sure that
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it's not just one big loving for a particular era.
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But Simon Rouse is probably the crowning jewel in this story, if
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not this season. For me.
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I just, he's fantastic. He's one of the few actors I can
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tell you the name of because I made a point of learning it
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because I just thought it's such a spectacular turn, like the
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like the Cardboard city and the just, it's one of the best
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portrayals of someone going, but it's like a Shakespearean.
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I know that Shakespearean gets bandied around a lot, but it is
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like a Shakespearean madness. He's fearless, isn't he?
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He's like, he's, he, he, He's not willing to hold back at any
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point. No.
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And I think that's one of the things that you can see
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sometimes when actors feel a little bit embarrassed, Peter
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Davison, about what they're having to do.
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And Simon Rouse is the opposite of that.
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Simon Rouse could not give a shit what you think of him.
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Driven a bit where he tears up the lab when the doctor and Todd
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go out and he's just furiously tearing plants out and I'm like,
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fucking hell, that guy could do anything.
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Yeah, no, he's he's just, he's just fully mad.
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I don't even mind the big snake I.
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Don't mind a big snake. No, I've heard that.
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I don't disappoint. I don't mind.
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I don't mind the biggest snake being looked at by itself in
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mirrors. I think that's fine.
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I. See.
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All sort of fairy tale ending, isn't it?
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Of evil, Yeah. Having its evil reflected back
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at itself, yeah. Again, it doesn't really make
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any sense, but like I say, I can do logic.
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I can do leaps of logic when it's on another planet.
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I, I, I think as well because the bloke from what's that bloke
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from Red Dwarf that's in it as well, the paranoia bloke.
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Oh, Lee Cornez. Yes, that's him.
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I love him as well. I think it's just, it's just
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such a great, I mean, he hasn't got even any lines, but he's
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just, he's just great. He sort of nods along with his
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little dull, don't he? Yeah, it's just such a great
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cast of great cast of characters.
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Great. I was getting great sets, great
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sets apart from the floor. If you don't look down
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everything, it's it's all beautiful.
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I think sometimes it takes people a long time me to fall in
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love with kinda, but I think the more you watch it, the more you
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get out of it, and that isn't the case with all of Doctor Who.
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No, that's true. Yeah.
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It's just one of them stories and I think I like Adric and his
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little, what do you call it, machine, But they're.
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TSS machine. Yeah, that's the one I knew
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you'd know. Kinda what a great choice.
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Yeah, it's a yeah, tricky to tricky to quantify how much I
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like it really. And I'm.
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Seeing see, I'm seeing a sort of pattern greatest show, quirky,
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kinder, a bit different. You know, you you sort of like
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the ones that are a bit non traditional.
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Yeah, I think as well because Kinder is one of those ones
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where I have seen it more than once and partly because it's
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when I was, I was able to convince because my lad's
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obsessed with snakes. So it was an easy one.
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It was an easy win for me and I would I would probably not the
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easiest one to hold the kids attention, but when there's a
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snake involved, he's he's he's all eyes.
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Did you watch the new CGI snake though rather?
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Than I have watched it, I don't care for it, it looks great but
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like it's not it's not why I'm there.
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I mean, that's rather wonderful, but that big pink snake grief.
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Yeah, I want, I want it looking like it's made of paper mache,
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because how do I know that snakes aren't made of paper
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mache? Well.
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I'm sure when they come from the dark places of the inside, how
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do you know? Well, exactly.
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Yeah. I don't want, I don't want paper
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mache in my dark places of my insides.
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Best Classic 6. Well, I did say there'd be 1
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Revelation. Revelation of the Daleks is
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going in here. But great Ela, how's ordered you
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dead? I yeah, I love Relation of the
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Daleks. It's just, I watched it twice
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one day at work, just, I watched it once just through and then
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once with the commentary on just it's one of the few ones that I
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really just keep going back to and I don't even really know
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why. I think I'm not a huge Terry
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Malloy Davros fan in the air. Like I don't particularly like
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him in the Davison one, which I can't remember the name of.
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I always. Resurrection of that.
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Thank you. I always get confused about
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because there's too many Rs. It's, it's upsetting and
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confusing. But I think he's really good in
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this. And I really like, I really want
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to see a cut out of the, the bit where he sat and his head
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spinning round because I know it was just under an office chair
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just twatting his knees on things.
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And I really want to see that. I really want to see studio
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footage of that, but I think I start to really enjoy tearing
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Malloy's Dan Ross in this. And I think aside from calling
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each other fat all the time, Perry and the Doctor are as
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lovely in this as they've ever been.
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That statue is not convincing anyone, is it?
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No, no, no. But it's a shame we couldn't
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have the blood coming out of it like they wanted.
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But, you know, yeah. Looking like a sort of a.
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It is stylish as hell though isn't.
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It it looks gorgeous with the snow and your man is it Clive
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Swift? So.
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Horrible. Those rose red Ruby lips were
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made for kissing, he says to Perry.
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Yeah, what a creep. No, there's too much of that.
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She's she's, she's the. But in that one, he's
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deliberately grotesque, right? And it's, it's, it's paralleling
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that against Tasenbeaker, who absolutely adores him.
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Yeah, so it's a very strangelove Tiger.
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I think she's great as well, actually.
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I know that that's a bit of a she's an odd bit of casting.
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She's glorious. Best Classic 5.
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The Aztecs. I like the Aztecs.
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Oh my God, how shall a man know? Oh, it's just, it's poetic,
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isn't it? It is.
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I think this might be the first time when I started watching the
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show from the beginning that the outside of the regulars, John
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Ringham really left an impression and he might be the
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first actor whose name I was like, I need to remember this
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guy's name because Plutoxel is such a fucking brilliant
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villain. Like the the classic
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historicals. I know why they sort of phased
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out eventually, and it makes me sad that they did because I I'm
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a fan of those, but I kind of get it.
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But if all the villains had been so, so pantomimic as Plutoxel.
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They'd have. I think they'd have lasted
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longer. That's why I like him so much at
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the end of episode 1 where he's staring straight out the screen.
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I will destroy her. He's great.
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He's brilliant. And obviously it's, it's, it's a
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precursor to all the stuff that it, I feel like it sets out a
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lot of the, the Doctor Who stole that we eventually get to stuff
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that becomes staples, like they're not changing history.
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And it doesn't, it's not fixed events, but it's, you know,
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that, that kind of vibe that it's the first time we've had to
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learn that lesson from Barbara, who's a woman we respect.
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And we, you know, we think she's largely good hearted and you can
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see why she's doing it. It makes dramatic sense that
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that's what she wants to do. And the Doctor's very kind about
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it. Eventually you're just like,
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look, I get what you were doing. But, and also crucially, Susan's
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barely in this one. Crucially, yes.
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She's on holiday for two episodes, isn't she?
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Oh, wonderful. Which I've only just really put
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together now that that might be one of the reasons I love it so
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much. Also as well, given it's done in
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the corner of Lime Grove, it's stunningly well well designed.
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I just think it looks gorgeous, that story.
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It does it's, it looks fantastic.
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And again, I think it's one of those ones where probably if
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they'd done it in colour it wouldn't have looked quite as as
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good. The black and white lens, you
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know, hides a few a few details maybe.
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Why they? Why they?
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Got so boring with their historical locations as the show
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went on because in the first year we're in Mexico, we're in
22:07
China you know we're in all these exciting places and then
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come to the 70s we're only in England that's.
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Probably because they were all painted fucking blue for it to
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look right on the cameras. It's probably much harder to
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pull off a realistic looking thing if you've got to use that
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colour. Also is this the first time Ian
22:22
kills someone when he chucks that bloke off his side?
22:25
Because he definitely, by the end of series one, he's
22:27
definitely got a kill count of. More than.
22:30
More than one or two. Yeah, wipe out quite a few
22:33
people. Yeah, he.
22:34
Definitely kills someone. He kills someone in this.
22:36
He kills someone in Keys of Marinus, doesn't he?
22:38
I think at least one person. He kicks that man right off the
22:41
top of the the hicarat, doesn't he?
22:43
It's wonderful. Yeah, that's would it.
22:47
I feel like he's a bit too ready to do that for a for a science
22:52
teacher. He's had enough at that point,
22:53
isn't that? I didn't want to have a couple
22:55
of these adventures, all right? I've had enough for everyone
22:56
trying to stick swords in me. That's true, although I suppose
22:59
he was probably was he. Would he have been a war
23:01
veteran? Would he have been a World War 2
23:02
veteran at this .0? Very possibly, yeah.
23:05
So. Maybe so he's just like, yeah,
23:06
no, like I've I've thought Nazis, mate.
23:08
I'm going to chalk you off this building.
23:09
I don't actually care. Best Classic 4?
23:17
Well, how do you fancy sort of stroking off another classic
23:20
series? Yeah, I'd love to.
23:22
I'd love to do. Yeah, actually, that'd be really
23:23
nice. Then let's stroke off carnival
23:27
monsters then. Oh my God, we are entertainers.
23:31
We put on a show. We could, we could even stroke
23:33
it off with one of the little Drashi camp puppets that they
23:35
did. Yeah, I've got one of those
23:37
actually. Do you know?
23:37
Do you know what there are? There are so few figures that
23:40
I'm like, I really want one of those like, but that's that's
23:42
the one. I think that's the one got.
23:44
Your hand inside that thrashings.
23:46
Yeah. Oh boy.
23:48
You can have you could have a very spectacular wank that would
23:50
be very difficult to explain. What makes you think I haven't?
23:53
You know those I'm. Assuming there's a reason it's
23:56
hard, Yeah, absolutely. Just looks like a fucking
24:00
cinnamon roll. And it's very messy, the poor
24:04
thrashing. Yes, like it caused an explosion
24:08
with the Sonic screwdriver. But yeah, I I think it's one of
24:12
those ones where it's just, it's not doing anything particularly
24:16
spectacular, but it's loads and loads of fun.
24:19
It it's there's all the stuff inside the the mini scope where
24:25
the hand comes in and gets the TARDIS.
24:27
It's just, it's just really daft.
24:29
It's another one those lovely ones where we all know what's
24:31
happening. So like the watching the doctor
24:35
and Joe figure it out, it it doesn't feel painful at all.
24:37
It's it's just really fun to have them hanging around.
24:40
The stuff on the ship is great that that puppet dinosaurs a bit
24:43
weird but apart from that the. Characters are really fun as
24:48
well, aren't they? You know, Vorg and Carlick and
24:52
all of that. Yeah, I really love all of.
24:53
Them Daily and Claire. Yeah, I really love all all the
24:57
all the grey dudes just being grey all over the place.
25:00
It's just great fun. I could not quite get my head
25:04
around it. When I realised that one of them
25:05
was Dave Ross, that blew my mind.
25:08
But that's acting for you, isn't?
25:10
It it's just as good in this though when they try and destroy
25:14
the scope and it just goes bravo because they fail.
25:18
Yeah, it's it's one of those stories where it really, it
25:24
feels like it really fulfills the remit of what Doctor Who
25:28
should be. Because obviously we've, I feel
25:29
like we've moved on at this point from the educating and
25:33
still like obviously there's still bits of that.
25:35
But really it's this is another one of those two sci-fi stories
25:39
that only Doctor Who can do. It would not work in any other
25:43
show or franchise or whatever you want to call it it.
25:47
It's perfect Doctor Who. So.
25:50
So good they did it twice with Nightmare of Eden.
25:53
Yeah, exactly. Which which I like less, but I
25:56
feel like that's what I could go back to.
26:00
Best Classic 3. I'm saying the Magra Terra.
26:06
Well, this is gay. Yeah, it's just, it's one of
26:12
those ones where I think the obviously I've seen the
26:17
animation more than I've seen any of the other.
26:19
I think this might be might be the animation I've seen the most
26:24
of and it's just really fun. Like it feels like one that I
26:30
would love to see this properly, but it feels like 1 where
26:33
they've really put the effort into the the animation to make
26:36
it feel like a story that's worth watching.
26:38
And that's probably partly due to the fact that the source
26:40
material is actually brilliant in the 1st place.
26:43
But it's a really strong team. I love the little bit of music
26:52
that's one of my favorite bits of all the music in Doctor Who
26:56
the little that's the and if you want to hear me whistling that,
27:07
you can tune into my own podcast because I got because it got
27:10
taken down off bloody Spotify for using the music.
27:13
But there we are. That's that is how that works.
27:16
And I just think it's I'm running out of words to this.
27:22
I'm I'm running out of adjectives for brilliant.
27:24
You're superlatives, yeah. Yeah, it's it's.
27:27
So I pull up a thesaurus and see if I can find some new ones to
27:30
call it what? Do you know, like it's, it's
27:33
like the sinister place with the sort of glossy, stylish
27:40
exterior. It's sort of like what I imagine
27:44
most American households are like, You know, they look
27:47
beautiful and lovely from the outside, but there's creepy
27:50
stuff happening inside. That's the Macrotera, right?
27:53
Yeah. Punching the the artificial
27:56
surface and showing you what's crawling inside.
27:59
Like the Stepford Wives. If the Stepford Wives were
28:03
instead of robots, they were giant crabs.
28:05
Giant gas eating crabs. That's the Doctor Who version,
28:07
right? Yeah.
28:09
Well, that's, yeah, that's probably a better way to.
28:11
That's a very nice way to describe it, but it is probably
28:14
one of the better examples of that.
28:16
You know, you turn up in a place, something feels a bit
28:18
weird. Everyone seems too happy.
28:19
Of course there's gas crabs and I love all the stuff with the
28:26
the voice coming over and I love the the bit where that guy's on
28:30
the screen and they're all just and he's getting like rounded on
28:32
by the crabs. Macra, they're in control.
28:37
There is no such thing as MACRA, unfortunately.
28:39
You've got something in your top ten and your bottom 10 set in a
28:42
holiday camp, you know. Well, there we go then.
28:46
That's so clearly. Diverse tastes.
28:48
So clearly the holiday camp was not the problem.
28:50
I love a holiday camp. No, that's right.
28:52
Although they it looks like a prism cell.
28:54
Or doesn't it in Delton Abandonment.
28:56
Yeah. Best Classic 2.
29:02
I'll say something nice about the myth makers.
29:05
Oh, please say something nice about the myth makers.
29:08
I adore the myth makers and it's I don't think, I think it was
29:14
the first one of the reconstructions that I'd watched
29:17
when I was doing my run through where I felt fully engaged with
29:21
it. And I think that's partially to
29:23
do with the quality of the Recon I was watching, but also just
29:27
the story is just lovely. It's so much fun and Hartnell's
29:31
having the best time. And I love Vicky and I'm I'm not
29:36
so sure about Stephen. I still am not certain about
29:39
him, though he I'm warming to him, but Vicky is easily my
29:44
favorite First Doctor companion by a country mile.
29:48
Chemistry. Isn't it harder and O'Brien?
29:51
Yeah, it's just, it's mad how quickly I just didn't give a
29:55
shit that Susan was gone when they brought Vicky on board,
29:58
because they were again, the rescue was quite high up.
30:00
Vicky All right. No.
30:02
Well, no, that's true. But she's just.
30:06
So the myth makers, well, I mean a story that nobody can actually
30:11
watch and we can only listen to with that popping terrible
30:14
soundtrack, but it's riches shine through anyway.
30:20
The idea, I think it's one of those because the, the, it's one
30:23
of those bits of history where they can muck around with it
30:25
anyway, because the, the, the horse is probably not real, but
30:28
it's such a ridiculous, lovely bit of mythology.
30:31
It's a rare thing to go into that sort of mythological world.
30:35
And it's really nice to to say, yeah, the horse was real and
30:41
also it was the doctor's fault. And that lovely bit where he's
30:43
talking about, you know, like, oh, well, we'll try the we'll
30:47
try catapult and you over the wall first.
30:50
Oh, that's just wonderful. Oh God, no.
30:54
I think of something else then, shall I?
30:57
Yeah, I think that's it's one of those ones where the.
30:59
Yeah, the idea he's just trying to work around not saying the
31:02
horse. And I mean, the book's amazing
31:04
as well. It's just one of those stories
31:06
that I just I love in investing in, in all of its forms.
31:12
I cannot disagree with a word that you just said there.
31:15
Do you know I, I adored the, it was David Gillespie Pratt,
31:18
wasn't it? That you spoke about it?
31:20
And I adored that commentary. I think it.
31:23
Was just, it was one of my favourites of that.
31:25
Yeah. I, I because I, I was basically
31:28
discovering that for the first time.
31:31
All of its themes, all of its gags, there's crazy sitcom
31:36
relationships. Oh, just gorgeous.
31:39
Yeah, there's nothing There's. That's the one where I think I
31:41
would give five years from the end of my life to have that
31:44
back. Yeah, I.
31:45
Just want one, just one episode please.
31:47
Yeah, just anything, any, any footage, anything because I
31:50
just, I just want to see what it was like.
31:52
I've got a feeling it looks pretty good as well, because
31:55
David literally examined that camera script and could tell me
31:58
how it was sort of caught and shot and it oh God, yes, please,
32:05
please search your basements. Everybody search your attics.
32:09
Yeah, come on, film is fabulous. Keep looking at every boot fair.
32:13
Yeah, we'll, we'll be outside the University of Leicester
32:16
throwing stones until you bring it out.
32:23
Best Classic 1. My best ever classic story is
32:29
The Power of Crawl. What your favorite of all time?
32:35
Yeah. No further, no further
32:39
questions. You're on it.
32:41
No. I have questions.
32:43
I have questions. We've we've been on this call,
32:48
we've been on this call for nearly three hours and that's
32:50
what we've got as far as the power of crawl.
32:52
No, we've been on this call for nearly 3 1/2 hours and with the
32:55
conclusion we're reaching is the power of Crawl is the the best
32:59
Doctor Who story of all time. Go on.
33:04
Well, I mean, I'm speaking to the man who runs Strictly Come
33:07
Hamster, so I feel like it's weird that, you know, I will not
33:10
take this judgement. Those aren't my actual opinions,
33:12
that's just entertainment. Yeah.
33:14
Well, I think it's just one of those where I think if I, if I
33:18
have to choose a story to put on the power of crawl is probably
33:20
the one that I like that I've seen the most times.
33:23
It's just I love the location work.
33:25
I love the model work. I love the tentacles.
33:27
I love Tom, I love Mary Tam. He's the most beautiful lady in
33:30
the world aside from my wife. If she can hear me and even if
33:34
she can't hear me, actually, I'll stick with that.
33:36
That's true. Also, she won't listen to this.
33:40
It's hours and hours of. She would have chipped out.
33:44
There's not a chance. There's not a chance even.
33:46
I'm not really listening. She Yeah, no, I just, I think I
33:54
love the idea that the the key to the key to time is probably
33:57
my favorite season anyway. I think it was the first full
34:02
season of Doctor Who that I'd seen and I've got real vivid
34:06
memories of sitting and watching the whole thing.
34:08
I just love it. I love the bloke with the big
34:10
chin who's in charge of the I can't remember his name these.
34:13
Neil McCarthy, yeah. That's the one that was also in
34:16
mind of evil. He's another one of those
34:18
people. Every time I see him, I'm just
34:19
like, oh, it's that guy. Cano and John Leeson there.
34:23
Yeah, yeah, who's, you know, left him in the TARDIS and son
34:26
how he materialised in the in the oil rig.
34:29
The Friends of Earth are not cranks.
34:33
I yeah, I like the, I like the silly thing where Tom raises his
34:36
voice and shouts them out of the the capture.
34:41
I like the bloke in the rubber suit and that did look better
34:44
from the front. I just like all of it.
34:47
I just think it's one of those and also, again, I know this
34:51
isn't a valid reason, but it is also the, I think the first
34:54
classic who I managed to sit down and convince my lads to
34:57
watch with me, which, you know, I'm trying to think of stuff
35:02
that has stuff with tentacles monsters and it's the biggest
35:05
rubber monster you're going to get.
35:09
And although that CSO thing where like that cut across the
35:14
that is too sheer. I know, but well.
35:18
I don't care. I'm not, you know, the the.
35:20
The model is great, though shot on film.
35:22
It's fucking incredible. I think it looks amazing and.
35:25
They'll do that for the Blu-ray. They will smooth that out.
35:28
Of course they will it. It looks spectacular.
35:31
My favorite thing about the power of crawl and this is not
35:34
really a thing about the power of crawl, but my favorite thing
35:36
that happened, We were watching it and he was getting really
35:40
into it. The bit where the the technical
35:43
comes out of the pipe and he gets the.
35:44
Guy, right? And he gets sucked back into it.
35:46
He's fucking brilliant. And then the bit where Tom is
35:49
fighting the this technical, this tentacle slaps him across
35:53
the face. And my son was so excited that
35:56
this had happened, he stood up and slapped me full force across
36:00
the face. And I couldn't even be mad
36:04
because I was just. You get it for exposing your son
36:07
to the power of crow. But he was just so excited by
36:09
it, and I think that's a really lovely moment.
36:11
So I was just like, I'm excited, please don't do it again.
36:13
But I'm really excited that we get to share this.
36:15
He was so excited he had to lash out.
36:18
Exactly like just the the the power of Kroll came through his
36:21
hand and slapped me around the. Shoulders wonder if Doctor Who
36:24
could make children sort of violent and angry, you know, And
36:28
now we've got proof. Conclusive, do you think?
36:30
I mean, it's not an obvious choice, Joe.
36:32
No, I did say there'd be a couple of surprises you.
36:35
Saved the best till last there. I tried, I did try.
36:42
And we'll be back next time with Joe's bottom 10 new series
36:47
episodes. If you're a fan of the new
36:50
series episodes, well, he's got some surprises on that list for
36:54
you.