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What Does The Future Of Horror Storytelling Look Like? (w Genesis Lim) · Tales from Incredible Tales

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  Speaker 1: I think it was Zhou Kong who was sharing the
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  Speaker 1: story and then halfway through they picked up this female
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  Speaker 1: voice singing into the mic, like a very ancient Chinese
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  Speaker 1: opera kind of tune, some kind of melody like that.
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  Speaker 1: My name is
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  Speaker 2: Genesis, my name is, my name is Wayne, my name
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  Speaker 2: is Kyle, and this is Tales from Incredible Tales, inspired
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  Speaker 2: by the classic horror series. We explore Southeast Asia's supernatural culture.
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  Speaker 2: Our guest for this episode is no stranger to Caryl
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  Speaker 2: and myself or maybe even some of you listeners out
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  Speaker 2: there as well. You may recognize her from our other podcast,
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  Speaker 2: Dead Air, where she was a guest for two episodes.
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  Speaker 2: She was also the winner of Media Corp's Be a
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  Speaker 2: Podcast Star Talent Hunt in 2024.
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  Speaker 2: For her show Too Many Ghosts nowadays, which is almost
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  Speaker 2: 2 years old. She has co-hosted the Screamapura Tales and
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  Speaker 2: regularly appears on the iconic Mr. Cho's ghost Stories, where
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  Speaker 2: she originally started her podcasting journey. Genesis Lim, welcome to
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  Speaker 2: the show. Thank you. Oh, very long, the CV. I know, right?
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  Speaker 2: It's the latest generation of horror creator.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, competitive. I just wanna say
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  Speaker 2: I love her name. Like it's so cool, Genesis.
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  Speaker 2: What's your name? Genesis. You know what's gonna happen, right?
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  Speaker 2: He's gonna start calling himself Genesis from now on. So
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  Speaker 2: it's a Gen Z name though, because it's like Genesis
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  Speaker 2: is like such a cool name that a millennial parent
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  Speaker 2: will come up with. OK, yeah, and then yeah, Gen
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  Speaker 2: Z young, then you come up with a cool name,
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  Speaker 2: but he's so nice like Genesis.
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  Speaker 2: Genesis
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  Speaker 1: parent, that means my parents gave birth to me like
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  Speaker 1: teen pregnancy.
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  Speaker 2: No lah, is it Nola Millennial, so I'm, I'm just
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  Speaker 2: keeping quiet millennial.
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  Speaker 2: I'll just keep it, OK, um, you're technically a millennial also, OK?
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  Speaker 2: I am millennial. I'm not saying I'm Gen Z. I'm
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  Speaker 2: elder millennial. Yeah, I just don't want to put the
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  Speaker 2: elder lah. You go and put here. Look, this hasn't
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  Speaker 2: been appearing on camera, but this whole season everybody's been
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  Speaker 2: calling me unk, so I'm, I'm embracing it. He's a,
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  Speaker 2: he's a hantu ang ghost, ghost, ghost ghost. It sounds
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  Speaker 2: like you want to say ghost hung, but cannot, cannot
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  Speaker 2: bring yourself to say hunker, so it ghost.
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  Speaker 2: So today we'll be asking Genesis about how she started
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  Speaker 2: as a horror podcaster and what drives her to tell
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  Speaker 2: horror stories as well as her thoughts on why we
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  Speaker 2: shouldn't be afraid of horror and what she thinks the
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  Speaker 2: future holds for the evolving medium of horror storytelling. This
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  Speaker 2: episode was inspired by the classic Incredible Tales episode. She
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  Speaker 2: is here.
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  Speaker 2: So the idea of telling horror stories was originally a
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  Speaker 2: way for our human necessors to warn others. In the
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  Speaker 2: current century, we have vastly different struggles, yet the culture
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  Speaker 2: of passing on horror stories has continued, and Carl and
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  Speaker 2: I are familiar with this, but just in case anybody
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  Speaker 2: out there doesn't know what began your journey in horror storytelling.
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  Speaker 1: I, I think the way that this whole journey for
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  Speaker 1: me because um
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  Speaker 1: Well, I never really got the chance to meet my grandfather,
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  Speaker 1: but my grandfather was someone who was also doing works
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  Speaker 1: in the paranormal supernatural space. So he inspired a lot
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  Speaker 1: of my interest when I was much younger, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: as a kid, when the rest of my friends are
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  Speaker 1: watching like Tom and Jerry or like Powerpuff Girls, right?
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  Speaker 1: Actually, my favorite show growing up was Incredible Tales. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so it all started from there. I realized I loved
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  Speaker 1: horror since I was young. So as I continued, you know, growing,
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  Speaker 1: and then when I was in my JC years, it
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  Speaker 1: was during COVID, by the way, so I was cooped
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  Speaker 1: up at home. I had nothing to do. I somehow
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  Speaker 1: stumbled upon Love 972's Mr. Chou's Ghost Stories, which is
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  Speaker 1: where I also co-host now, right?
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  Speaker 1: So it was a very full circle moment for me.
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  Speaker 1: That was where I found like, OK, I really love horror,
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  Speaker 1: and this is something that I've always wanted to do.
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  Speaker 1: It was like a part of me ever since I
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  Speaker 1: was young, and I never knew it until, until much later.
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  Speaker 2: I grew up listening to MJ Blast and then like
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  Speaker 2: full circle I became the host of MJ Blast, and
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  Speaker 2: you are also very young. Are you a T or
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  Speaker 2: ST right.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I was wondering what you were talking about. I
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  Speaker 2: was like, alright, I see. No wonder what people call
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  Speaker 2: you Ang. OK.
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  Speaker 2: OK,
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  Speaker 1: so when I was in China for my internship, we
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  Speaker 1: had to rent this apartment, right, so it wasn't like
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  Speaker 1: an Airbnb kind of situation. I was renting from the landlord.
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  Speaker 1: So actually it was a pretty new building. Um, previously
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  Speaker 1: there was a tenant staying there, I think for 2-3
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  Speaker 1: years and then they moved out right after they moved out,
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  Speaker 1: we moved in. So I was, there was, there were
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  Speaker 1: 3 bedrooms, right, I was taking the biggest room.
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  Speaker 1: The bed was also pretty big, but there were like
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  Speaker 1: a lot of, there was a lot of open area
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  Speaker 1: in that room, uh, and it's very weird like on
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  Speaker 1: some nights I would feel this unexplainable feeling of someone
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  Speaker 1: watching me when I was when the lights are turned
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  Speaker 1: off when it's all dark and I was about to
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  Speaker 1: fall asleep, I could feel like something was watching me.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, there was one, it was in the middle of
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  Speaker 1: the day, I heard knocking on my window and I
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  Speaker 1: was staying on the 14th floor, so I don't know
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  Speaker 1: where that came from, but maybe, maybe, maybe it could
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  Speaker 1: be a bird, you know, like the bird like, like
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  Speaker 1: flew into the window, then hit the window twice
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  Speaker 2: woodpecker.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, maybe he saw something shiny in my room,
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  Speaker 2: yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: yeah, so, uh, yeah, that, I don't know, uh, it's
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  Speaker 1: pretty high up though, so maybe the bird was feeling adventurous, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there is this like huge like cabinet next to the door,
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  Speaker 1: so my view when I try to look at the door, right,
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  Speaker 1: it will be obscured by the cabinet. So there was
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  Speaker 1: one it was like the lights were turned off, it
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  Speaker 1: was at night.
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  Speaker 1: I was just looking towards the direction of the door
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  Speaker 1: and then I kind of saw this like shadowy figure
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  Speaker 1: like maybe maybe I'm hallucinating, this shadowy figure kind of
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  Speaker 1: like slip itself back in.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, it just it just moved away, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so I don't know, maybe I'm hallucinating, maybe I was
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  Speaker 1: really tired, it was like 2
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  Speaker 2: a.m. oh yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it could be the same bird,
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  Speaker 2: yeah.
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  Speaker 2: OK, I don't think it's hallucinating. What time was it?
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  Speaker 1: It was like 2. I always sleep at
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  Speaker 2: 22.
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  Speaker 2: The reason why I said is probably not hallucinating because
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  Speaker 2: like right now, after almost 2 years doing this show,
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  Speaker 2: every now and then I would, I would encounter like
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  Speaker 2: it's from like peripheral vision, you know, I would see
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  Speaker 2: those kind of black things like move. So I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: maybe I'm hallucinating also, but it cannot be I'm working.
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  Speaker 2: Are you near-sighted or farsighted?
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  Speaker 2: This one inside joke.
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  Speaker 2: I have to stick in that somehow when it comes
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  Speaker 2: to him everything far-sighted.
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  Speaker 2: Well this is the first time I'm hearing about this.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's quite, quite creepy. Then you went back
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  Speaker 2: to sleep.
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  Speaker 1: There was nothing else I could do. The only thing
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  Speaker 1: I could do was order from, from the app, get
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  Speaker 1: some delivery.
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  Speaker 1: I think I did that actually.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the next thing I did was like
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  Speaker 1: order something because the rest of my friends were asleep then,
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  Speaker 1: so that when the delivery driver came, he would knock
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  Speaker 1: on my door, then hand me my food, right, I
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  Speaker 1: would see someone then
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  Speaker 2: yeah
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  Speaker 1: for the person, he never knew, but he helped me
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  Speaker 1: sleep at night. I ordered something small like a bean curd,
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  Speaker 1: so I just kept it in the fridge.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks.
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  Speaker 2: No, but oh my God, a human. Thank you so much.
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  Speaker 2: I feel better. If, if this wasn't a place where
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  Speaker 2: you were staying, if you actually saw something like, I'm
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  Speaker 2: not saying you're going out ghost hunting or anything like that,
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  Speaker 2: but if you saw something out there, would you be
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  Speaker 2: the kind of person that goes to investigate and see
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  Speaker 2: what it is? Because it's where you're sleeping, so I
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  Speaker 2: understand where you're like, I don't want to see.
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  Speaker 1: I saw something I didn't see it.
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  Speaker 1: Just be avoidant, hashtag be avoidant.
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  Speaker 2: But speaking of which, you do horror podcast, right? You
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  Speaker 2: do horror shows, right? Are you the sort of person like,
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  Speaker 2: are you the scaredy cat one or like you quite
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  Speaker 2: brave actually?
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  Speaker 1: I'm
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  Speaker 1: the logical one. So sometimes when I take in information, right,
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  Speaker 1: so when you see things happen to me, I try
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  Speaker 1: to rationalize it in the most explainable way possible so
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  Speaker 1: that
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  Speaker 1: You know, it could be scientific in a way.
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  Speaker 2: No anything other than that happened in that apartment?
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  Speaker 2: Did your roommate see anything? Did they also order bean
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  Speaker 2: curd late at night like the beer place? Why is
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  Speaker 2: one place ordering from us and one, this one, this one? No,
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  Speaker 2: by the end of the seven month internship, right, the
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  Speaker 2: fridge full of bean curd, it's like the engine, right?
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  Speaker 2: You know, like, uh, if you sell bean curd at night.
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  Speaker 2: It's actually very bad. There's an old Chinese saying is
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  Speaker 2: that actually the, the spirits, right, they like, uh, bean curds,
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  Speaker 2: like bean curd as in like tahui, yeah, they, they like, uh, taohui, like, uh,
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  Speaker 2: bean products, and it's a really stupid thing to sell
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  Speaker 2: them late at night, OK.
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  Speaker 2: Now I have to I'm not sure if it's true
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  Speaker 2: or not, but that's what I, I've heard and seen
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  Speaker 2: in the Chinese media space. Is there any reason for
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  Speaker 2: it though? I don't know. I don't know. They never
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  Speaker 2: really explained, but apparently it attracts them. They like, they
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  Speaker 2: like it lah. Or like, for example, like you bring
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  Speaker 2: salt to the cemetery, they sell salt in the cemetery.
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  Speaker 2: I thought salt depends on your beliefs actually. It depends
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  Speaker 2: on the salt.
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  Speaker 1: I think,
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  Speaker 2: I think there's one more thing lalat uh uh flies.
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  Speaker 2: You ever heard satay lala?
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  Speaker 2: So they, they put the, the lilac right on the steak, put,
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  Speaker 2: put maybe 3 or 4, and then they sell it
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  Speaker 2: in the cemetery. How big is the lats? I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Why are they selling it at the cemetery. No way.
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  Speaker 2: So it's, it's for you. It's, it's like a cuisine
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  Speaker 2: for them, you know. They like, they like. So, so
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  Speaker 2: they sell it and then they in exchange for cash, la.
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  Speaker 2: It's like a business, businessman, I'm not lying. How much stick.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. Depends on the rate on that day. Nowadays,
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  Speaker 2: like Singapore, I think $1 the time taken to catch
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  Speaker 2: the I have to ask. The movie that I watch
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  Speaker 2: on Netflix. No lah. There is, there is, there is.
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  Speaker 2: But then I think in, in, in, in.
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  Speaker 2: Actual in actual situation, no, lah, you don't sell it
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  Speaker 2: with the sauce, la, muffin, yeah, you need to cut
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  Speaker 2: all the peanut oil, then make the ka ka chang bro.
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  Speaker 2: I love how business minded the two of you are.
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  Speaker 2: I mean Kylie is also, he's the master of all.
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  Speaker 2: My roommates,
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  Speaker 2: right,
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  Speaker 1: my roommates never experienced anything. I think they always slept
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  Speaker 1: very early, they slept much earlier than me, so if
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  Speaker 1: anything I would be the only one awake at night
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  Speaker 1: at like weird hours because sometimes you know when I
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  Speaker 1: was in China, uh, my, my listeners would know that
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  Speaker 1: my show continued, right, so we never stopped even though
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  Speaker 1: I was overseas, so I had to do recordings quite
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  Speaker 1: late at night after, after work, because you know China, right,
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  Speaker 1: like the culture, the work culture, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So I continued recording late into the night.
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  Speaker 1: And my table is just facing the window, so I'll
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  Speaker 1: be staring out into the darkness when I record and
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  Speaker 1: sometimes it's quite scary. In China, that time when I
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  Speaker 1: was mention there was like some
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  Speaker 1: Issues happening to me in Singapore. I was already back
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  Speaker 1: in Singapore, so how I do it is that I just,
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  Speaker 1: my setup is very simple. I have a mic connected
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  Speaker 1: to my laptop and then I just record. So for
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  Speaker 1: that day, right, I opened the software that I was
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  Speaker 1: using to record and then I just couldn't start the software,
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  Speaker 1: so I quit the whole thing, then I switched on
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  Speaker 1: my computer, I tried again and then it just couldn't work.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, OK, never mind, uh, I waited a
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  Speaker 1: couple of minutes, I tried again.
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  Speaker 1: And then when I tried again, it could record, but
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  Speaker 1: it was only for the first few seconds after I
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  Speaker 1: finished saying um too many ghosts, it gets cut. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't even get to say nowadays gets cut. Then afterwards
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  Speaker 1: I
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  Speaker 1: I was like, OK, this software is not working out,
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  Speaker 1: let me try another one. So I tried with another
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  Speaker 1: software and then the same thing happened again. I tried
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  Speaker 1: in a total, I think I tried in total 3 times, um,
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  Speaker 1: every time it got to the word ghosts, I got cut.
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't finish saying the name of my podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't press any buttons, it just cuts on its own,
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  Speaker 2: yeah.
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  Speaker 2: What's the explanation for that, Wayne? Why are you looking
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  Speaker 2: at me? I don't know why DJ, you're a radio
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  Speaker 2: DJ in the county, so you should know it's a
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  Speaker 2: different system. We, we, we, we are not using any
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  Speaker 2: like digital audio workstation. It's a Zeta system, so it's different.
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  Speaker 2: It's life throughout throughout these technical terms and everything. It
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  Speaker 2: will never fail lah. In short, it will never fail lah.
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  Speaker 2: It will fail actually. It has failed lah. Uh, like
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  Speaker 2: if technical issues, there's a chance. Then do you attribute
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  Speaker 2: it to Hantu you know la that one is like
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  Speaker 2: of a down chops.
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  Speaker 2: Nice.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know. There's no explanation for that.
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  Speaker 2: When I think about it, I think it's, it could
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  Speaker 2: be a very bad, uh, coincidence. But, but then the coincidence,
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  Speaker 2: like a few times, you know, the word goes in
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  Speaker 2: it and cut off.
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  Speaker 2: Change the ghost. Change, change, change the ghost. Change it
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  Speaker 2: to pause. It's like maybe the ghost don't like it.
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  Speaker 2: The ghost like, I don't like it when you call
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  Speaker 2: me ghost. Call me Spirit. Then you say spirit. Then, OK,
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  Speaker 2: can change, change my name. Ghost sounds very like very
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  Speaker 2: bad lah, degrading to the ghost. Not, not, not as bad.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. I never ghost. It's like, would you
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  Speaker 2: prefer to be called a human or a person?
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  Speaker 2: Both the same, right? No, very different. Human is like
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  Speaker 2: very scientific person is more
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  Speaker 2: like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: yeah, OK. So I think maybe the ghost a bit,
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  Speaker 2: a bit offended, call me one more time, ghost ghost.
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  Speaker 2: One more time. One more time. Then he keep on
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  Speaker 2: saying the same thing. That's why angry, you know, when
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  Speaker 2: she tells me the story, right? I have an imagination.
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  Speaker 2: It's like you're, you're alone late at night,
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  Speaker 1: not late at night. I was in school. I was
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  Speaker 1: doing in
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  Speaker 2: school, OK. What time?
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  Speaker 1: I think it was like in the evening around 4
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  Speaker 1: or 545.
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  Speaker 2: OK, but you were alone.
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  Speaker 1: I was alone in this small
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  Speaker 1: little pot,
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  Speaker 2: in this small little pot. Then she's like trying to say,
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  Speaker 2: then you can see if you got the third eye,
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  Speaker 2: you can see that one ghost holding on the button.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no ghost spirit, no.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe
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  Speaker 1: yeah, then uh it was so annoying trying to troubleshoot
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  Speaker 1: that thing, you know, I think I almost got scolded
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  Speaker 1: because I submitted it quite late also.
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  Speaker 2: Scolded by who? Yeah, I wonder, I wonder who scolded you.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that's funny. But I feel like it's, it's, um,
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  Speaker 2: it's part of the world lah. I mean, you do
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  Speaker 2: it almost every night, right?
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  Speaker 2: Has anything weird happened to you? Like technical, like things
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  Speaker 2: that is not explainable, like sudden suddenly your live stream
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  Speaker 2: end for no reason or like some just some weird
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  Speaker 2: technical issue that you cannot fix. I mean, uh, in Conti,
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  Speaker 2: there were a couple of times when my guest came over, right.
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  Speaker 2: So this particular guest, she's, um, how to say, she's
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  Speaker 2: like a a practitioner, like a spiritualist of sort lah.
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  Speaker 2: So for some reason that night when she came.
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  Speaker 2: suddenly my my PC, the PC that I used to
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  Speaker 2: stream TikTok live, right, it's not working. There's no sound.
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  Speaker 2: But then I think that one got explanation it's just
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  Speaker 2: like a technical issue when the technician came, they just
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  Speaker 2: reset the whole thing and it's fine. But I did,
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  Speaker 2: but if you're talking about like supernatural things, good while
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  Speaker 2: we were there are things that happen but technical technical things.
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  Speaker 2: I think last season you did mention something dropped, right? Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: then that the the the tripod or something they just.
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  Speaker 2: OK, so, uh, let me share again the story, uh, uh,
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  Speaker 2: briefly lah. So basically, uh, my conti desk, then opposite
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  Speaker 2: me will be usually the DJ to all the guests, right, beside, beside, uh, the,
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: beside the chair, there's this round table. So on top
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: of that table at that particular time, there's this paperback,
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: it's just a small paperback. Inside of the paperback, there's
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: a phone and there's like, you know, level mic, uh,
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: wireless mic, right? So imagine that the thing is flat, right?
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: So no matter how you move it, it won't drop, right,
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: it won't fall, you won't like possibly like bump, right?
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: So I was, I was, um, I was sharing the story,
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah blah, suddenly the thing out of
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: nowhere just pump. I, I still got the audio, I,
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: I clipped it and you can hear I was genuinely
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: quite shocked, so I, when I was when I was
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: sharing the story, you can hear I guess, you know, like.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: I really don't know what to do, bro. Goosebumps. I
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: really don't know what to do.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: Uh, what? Yeah, I was like creepy. I was, I
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: was saying something in that line, uh, basically the line was, um, I,
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: the father saw like a white figure in the window
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: and then suddenly the paperback out of nowhere there's no wind,
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: there's no wind, there's nothing, boom. It was, wow, then
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: that one I jammed it. I don't know, should I
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: continue telling the story? Should I on the light first?
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: So I just like, um, OK, never mind let the
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: song play first. I don't know. Then I just continued
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: telling the story.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: And then uh after the story ended, then there's like
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: commercials and whatnot, right? So I turned on the light
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: and then from that day onwards, I never fully off
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: the Conti lights. Yeah, usually when I first started, I,
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: I want to get into the mood, right, I would
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: off all the lights. So now I will always turn
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: on at least one of like the spotlight. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: If not because because as a storyteller, if you don't
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: feel it,
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: Then most likely the listener don't feel it also, yeah,
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: so it has to get into the mood. There was
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: one time, and this was during the time where we
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: were live streaming. We were live streaming every 13th of
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: the month on our own channel and basically telling ghost
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: stories live at night, and we were doing it at
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: an old studio at Golden Mile Tower, which we visited
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: last season, fun right, yeah, so.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: Uh, I, I don't know if I told you this,
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: but I think, uh, it's just the two of us.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: Then we were talking, I keep hearing, uh, something in
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: the feed, so I wasn't sure whether it was human
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: or not.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but there were 2 of us only.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: And it's very far. It's like it's really very, very far. Like,
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: you know, when you hear on your headphones, right, it
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: doesn't sound like it's near. You can, you can hear
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: whether if it's proximity. It feels like it's off at
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: the corner somewhere. Yeah, then I, I, I keep hearing it.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: It's the same mic, right? Yeah, OK, so you imagine
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: the sound, right, that I explained that this is, uh, uh,
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: what do you call it dynamic mic, right? It's not
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: a condenser, right? So it's not that sensitive.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: So imagine, bro, like a phone and a mic. It
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: was so loud and then like you were saying, like
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: you hear the like like very far away. How can
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: the mic pick, pick, pick that up? So, so I
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: had a theory. I was like, it's either the thing
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: is like right beside me whispering, you know, beyond the
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: the headphones or it's like very far but then projecting
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: the voice. So, so because I was like.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it cannot, it cannot be, it cannot be Wayne
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: because Wayne is talking because I remember he was telling
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: a story. Then I was like very quiet. I was
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: just trying to listen. Where is it? Ah? Where is he? Yeah,
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: without stopping the stream. Where is he? Ah, but at
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: the end, I like, I think he stopped after a
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: while there. I just babble. I just don't care. And then,
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: you know, in Malay, right, they say if you hear
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: the sound very far means it's near US. It's the
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: same with smell, right?
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: Uh, the smell, that one, that one, I think someone
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: told me before, but I'm not sure. Like if you smell, uh,
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: sweet or nice, sweet, sweet rotten is far. I've never,
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: I think I heard it from one person before, but
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure about that. Yeah, but like, yeah, so,
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: so I think we all have, yeah, in some sense
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: and you also experience it.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: I think you were there right when the recording in
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: one of the shows.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: there was, there was also something similar to what shared. So, uh,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: in fact, some of the listeners, you know, send messages
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: during the show as well because they heard something that
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: we were very certain wasn't a sound effect. So sometimes,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: you know, Mr. Chogo's story, we have the background track, right,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: the song had the creepy music when we're talking, when
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: we're saying the story just to layer on, I think
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: it was Joong who was sharing the story.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: And then halfway through they picked up this female voice
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: singing into the mic, like a very ancient Chinese opera
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: kind of tune, some kind of melody like that, and
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: the listeners actually, you know, sending messages saying, guys, um,
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: we heard this, did you all hear this as well.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Back then I was, I was, everyone was wearing headphones, right?
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: But only half of us could hear the sounds, the
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: other half couldn't hear, so we don't know why. I
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: didn't hear it, but I saw some of my co-hosts,
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: they stopped and they looked at each other, but I didn't,
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: I didn't get it because I didn't hear it. I
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: only found out
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: afterwards.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: I got this story.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: So this is nothing got to do with like podcasts
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: or or like recordings but you know for my show
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: I have to do my own sound effects, right, my
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: own uh intro thing or whatever, right? So I was
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: actually using this uh Javanese, it's not Lingiwen, you know,
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: Ling Seiwei, I'm pretty sure I have you guys heard
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: of it before the Ls.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: It's not lingsiweni, it's the other, it's like a Javanese
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: lullaby or some of sort lah. So I was, I
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: keep on playing it because I want to get the
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: volume right. I want to put some effects and whatnot, right.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: So I keep on playing repeat and at that point
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: of time I was in my bedroom and uh my
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: wife was doing her work la on the bed and whatnot, right.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: So for some reason, I keep on playing. I don't
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: know like how many times did I play, play, play,
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: keep on playing. My wife suddenly told me, hey, uh,
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: can you stop playing that?
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Then I was like asking why, for some reason her
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: body gets super hot, like very hey like that out
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: of nowhere, and I was like, OK, I stopped for
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: a while or I, I continue using my headphones. There's
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: a saying, right, when your body gets very hot, right?
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: Uh, it's trying to repel defense mechanism, right? Yeah, trying
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: to repel something.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: I have a ghostly encounter the next day they have
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: a fever or something like that.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: I, I think there could be some correlation, correlation. Your
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: body is fighting the idea of fever is also the
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: same thing your body is fighting back the virus, right?
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: So I think maybe.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: It might be, yeah, I never, I never thought of
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: it that way. But you know, like the, the idea
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: of sound, sound is vibration, right? So like, even when
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: you play ghost stories out loud, even like when we're speaking, right?
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: Um, it attracts them. They come on, you know, that's
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: what like everyone told me. Your wife told you to
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: then you put headphones. No, even, even inside the quantity.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: That's why like everyone told me, bro, you every day
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: read ghost story. You every day play all these kind
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: of song, obviously things gonna come inside the quantity and whatnot.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't know, lucky I cannot see. If not,
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: I think I quit my job. No, but what if you,
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: you can see then it actually helps your career even more.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: You know, I thought of that before, you know, but I,
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: I
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: Should I open my third eye? Maybe naturally open it.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: Maybe eventually you will and then suddenly boom, ah, business,
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: business money come in. Askia knows about it. Would you
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: want to do something like that? Would you want to,
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: not necessarily like consciously open your eye, but like be
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: able to see ghosts? Would it be something that you
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: will want?
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: I think same like far. I only started having more
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: experiences after I.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Got into horror content creating. So now really quite not
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: really like that, right, if I open my eyes, it's
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: going to be more tia I think better not. I
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: stay away. I can hear I sometimes I think for me, right, um.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: Maybe my the audit auditory side is more sensitive.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah,
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: actually quite same. I don't know. Maybe is it all
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: of us who can't see right maybe our, our, what
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: was the word again? Auditory auditory auditory sense. But what
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: if it's like the, it's a brand thing, you see,
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: brands we work with sound. We are, we are people,
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: we are sound first podcast, ma, then yours is radio,
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: so we're more sensitive to this.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: So, and I think vibrations is easier to feel that
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: sight because to conjure an image, I would imagine it
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: takes the spirits a lot more power to do it
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: and for you to see also it takes a lot more.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Then I think sound is easier for us to connect
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: and we are so in it like we edit sometimes
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: we headphone all the way on, right? And we juice
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: up the volume quite hard. So we're very sensitive to
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: sound already.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: Then plus that we do horror. Then you know it's
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: easy for the spirits to whisper in our mic. But what,
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: what if, what if it's just a normal human being?
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: Like if you cannot see, also sometimes they, they can
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: hear it, you get what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: I think, I think that's why I say sound is
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: quite maybe easier for the spirits also. It takes a
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: lot of energy, yeah, but honestly, I, I've been doing
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: it for 6 years, right.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: There's this term like Hokkien termiba already like I really
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: used to it. I'm super used to it. I don't
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: really care, yeah, like if it captures.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: Into the device, right, which I, I doubt so. I
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: get excited, yeah, I keep replaying. God, God every time
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: the listener, he, this one got there I go, where
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: God don't knock. There's only one time that it got
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: recorded in one, it wasn't on my end. So, uh,
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: we were doing this collaboration with, uh, Malaysian, uh, horror
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: podcaster as well, and it was a Mandarin version.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: So I went on the show as a guest, but
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: I was recording on my end. He was recording on
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: his end. So we got 22 sound files, right? So
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: my sound file was cleaner, nothing was recorded. But the, the,
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: the weird thing was that because we were both very busy,
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: we both recorded in the morning.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: During Hungry Ghost month. Then we're telling ghost stories and
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: the episode was about 1 hour and 30 minutes. So
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: there was one particular point, uh, I think his sight
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: captured someone speaking to the mic, and he only had
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: one mic.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: And we were like on Zoom, so we're talking, right,
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: and Zoom, then he only one source. Then uh I
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: only found out when the episode came out that I
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: was listening to it, obviously I shared it to my audience,
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: and I was listening to it and I was listening
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: to it while walking around town. So it's very noisy, right, cars,
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: all this, right. Then that immediately I think I got
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: like two messages from, from the followers and they were telling,
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: Hey car, you go to this runtime, you play it now,
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: damn creepy or something. I think something following you guys.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Now I go and listen.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: So what I heard was if I this was 2
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: years ago, so if I recall correctly, it was some
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: someone I think a male voice was saying like and
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: it was loud, it was loud, it was this volume
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: and it it it it held on for about 10 seconds.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: And then immediately I called, I called the guy. I said,
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: Hey bro, you go and listen right now. Go, go, bro.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: Like I, and this was like maybe one week after
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: we record. Still hungry Ghost man. I said, bro, you
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: go listen now. I said, it's either you or me.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: Then I went home. I opened my raw file. I
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: listened to the exact spot. I said, he.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: It's him. It was him. Then he said he played. Yeah,
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: it was me. Then he tried to rationalize. He wears like,
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: you know, scared of ghost on. He wears rationalized. He say,
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: I think it's the the noise. I say, bro, this
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: one not the noise, bro. I the noise all the time.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: This is not the noise. This, this cannot be the noise.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: It's like.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: What is he like? No. And, and your studio is
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: also not that noisy. So, and were you alone? He said, Yeah,
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: I was alone. Then I said, Yeah. Then, then it's
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: you in the studio. Yeah, but he, he really not scared.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: He was like, Wow, that's cool. That's
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: cool, man. He can
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: see or not. Cannot see. No,
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: he's not a believer. He's not scared, and not a believer,
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: yeah,
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: which is weird, right? But he tells really terrifying ghost stories.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: To him it's fiction. Yeah, yeah, but to us it's
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: like real life. So they're like, oh, you better, you
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: better go and pray.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: Supernatural beings were initially written as a reflection of our
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: fear of death. Eventually, ghosts evolved to represent something deeper
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: in our societal observation. In 1957, amidst the Federation of
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: Malaya Independence Act, there was a sudden influx of horror media.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: I wonder why, yeah.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: Malaysia filmmaker Amir Mohammad stated, quote, I think the horror
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: genre is a sign of confidence. It's an assertion of
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: narrative and cultural independence, end quote. So what does telling
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: ghost stories mean to you? Do you think telling ghost
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: stories can have a greater impact on people beyond entertainment?
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: Telling ghost stories to things and people.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: That even I may not know I've given a voice
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: to because I'm using my voice. I'm sharing, I have
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: this platform to reach greater audiences and I'm so thankful
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: for that. Um, I think that
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: As mentioned, right, in society, sometimes when people talk about
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: this kind of airy fairy in a way kind of
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: supernatural experiences, uh, people like to either shun the topic
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: or if they don't believe in it, they may even,
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: you know, mock the person and say it's not real,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: and I find that it's actually quite meaningful that I
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: get to do this in a safe space and let
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: people share their voice with me.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: For them to feel validated for their experiences, um, even
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: though I go about it in a pretty scientific way,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: but it doesn't mean that I discount any of the
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: feelings or emotions that they had when they encountered whatever
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: they encountered, experience whatever they experienced, um, because, you know,
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: for me, my family background, we, I, I did have
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: a relative who was doing work in the supernatural space
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: and I don't doubt that one bit. Even sometimes, right,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: I think the reason why I started having more encounters
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: after doing work in
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: The horror content creation space is probably because some of
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: the things that I don't get to see also want
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: to have a say. They also want their voice to
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: be heard, so I think that
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: I am.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: Able to share that makes me very happy and excited
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: in a way. So cheers.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: In 2020, uh, a study found that those who enjoyed
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: horror films, uh, showcase greater positive resilience and lower, uh,
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: psychological distress during the COVID-19 pandemic.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Another study also theorized that seeking out horror can prepare
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: us for real-world encounters with negative feelings and intimidating opponents.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: You mentioned that during your internship in China, you had
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: friends who strongly discouraged you from discussing ghost stories with them.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: So, do you encourage people to embrace feeling scared and
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: why is it important to not be afraid of uh
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: feeling fear?
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: I think about emotions when they were going through certain experiences.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of times it also depends on
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: how much a person can take, right?
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: So maybe some, some, some, we're just talking about maybe
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: in a physical context that some people can bench like
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: yo 50, OK, I cannot, some people can bench like 500.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: OK, maybe 200,
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: 200. I have no idea what weight I don't.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: You can bench 200. So some people are more, they
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: can take it more easily, probably because, uh, just it's
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: just in their nature or they previously had experiences. So
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: I don't think that we are getting everyone to try
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: and embrace horror, but I think we're just trying to
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: create a space for people to feel more comfortable if
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: they are ready to share.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: There is a culture of the older generation passing down
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: to the younger generation these cautionary stories and old wives' tales.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: I hate saying this out loud, but I have to
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: say it. As a young Gen Z horror podcaster, makes
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: me sound like you. No, not, it's not the you
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: being Gen Z, it's me like as a young gen,
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: but as a Gen Z horror podcaster, how do you
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: think this tradition has evolved in the current 21st century?
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: How does it impact the format of passing down ghost
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: stories and how will that tradition evolve with social media
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: and in the future?
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: I think it's pretty straightforward or maybe maybe sometimes they
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: write inerglyphics or something I don't know, some ancient language, right,
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: because I ancient podcast, there was the ancient podcasting method, right,
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: passing down like scripts, uh.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: And I think actually, right, I really, really want to
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: teleport and time travel back to the past so that
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: I can share it for myself like when something happens,
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: I hear it for myself because I think over the years,
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: you know, all these things have been all these old wives'
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: tales have been passed on through centuries, a lot of
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: it gets erased, a lot of it gets twisted and
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: it's not the original thing that we are actually listening to.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: Anymore, so I think that's a very, that's a pity
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: with the rise of, of technology, social media and better
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: recording methods, of course, all these kind of essence we
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: can capture it right from the horse's mouth. So as
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: I'm doing like podcasting, right, I think it's, it's amazing
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: that I get to share like the raw manuscript with people.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: I think it's a pretty straightforward answer to a pretty
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: straightforward question.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: When, when would that be Pontana, you know, Pontana, the island,
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: and all the, they, they fought, right? I think that
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: one of the, one of the royal figures, he fought
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: against the whole army of Pontanas, like with his army,
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: and he used the Chris to fight. Then you see
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: one gen Z, Hey guys, this out here fighting Pontana,
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: so you can see Cheng 12. That's my friend. Look
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: at his Chris. It's really cool.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: Subscribe and like.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna get burned for witchcraft.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not, it's not the teleporting in, it's the phone.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: Oh my God, it really originated from there. I'm not, uh,
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: it's one of the earliest, I think that's why they
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: named it after that because they, they won, right, and they, they,
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: they defeated it.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: Uh, allegedly lah, then they won and then they built
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: like some uh religious place on it lah to signify that, OK,
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: we beat the creatures, the creatures there. So that's one
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: of the very early because it predates, um, I think even, uh,
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: colonism also. I think it was before that, so it's
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: very old.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so hope to someday.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: If past lives, I want to be fighting.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: I thought
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: you want to be.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: Oh, no lah. Then I'll be immortal. I'll be like
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: around here like the others that are around here right now.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: Wi Fi
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: Wi Fi.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: Your Gen Z is showing right now. She fell for it.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: You can't scroll. The, the, the horror, the horrible stereotypes
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: about Gen Z suddenly appears like no Wi Fi. The
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: only scroll you have is the actual scroll.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: Literally doom scrolling by the order of the ya, stop
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: right there. This question is for everyone here and those
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: watching at home. What are your favorite horror stories that
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: involve modern technology? I'm not sure this is like an
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: urban legend or what, but I saw it in a
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: short film. So the short film goes like this. There
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: was this, uh, uh, I think True seeker, then, uh,
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: I think he stumbled upon, um, um.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: A dead body lah. And then he was like, oh,
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: I'm going to share this on social media and then
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: he took a photo.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: And then he went home, then he started sharing, uh,
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: and over the next few days, a lot of things
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: happened to him, like he gets more and more haunted like,
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: you'll hear weird sounds at night, he'll get weird dreams
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: about this woman and
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: The, I think the climax of the film was his
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: phone started texting to itself, texting itself. It will say delete, delete, delete,
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: delete delete.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: Sorry, I can't help. What is it? You, you keep going,
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: make another wrestling reference. So, so, so it, it, yeah,
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: so the, the phone keep, uh, texting itself and saying delete, delete, delete, delete,
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: and then eventually it showed like that photo. Basically the
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: ghost was possessing his phone or using his phone telling
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: him to delete the photo because it was very disrespectful
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: to take a photo of a deceased person. Yeah, so
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: it's a very simple short film, but I thought that
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: was really creepy.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: It is, you know, like our phones is so personal.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: It holds so much data, right? Then imagine that someone
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: hijacked your phone but not someone that goes hijack your phone.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: They can see all your secrets and all everything, bro,
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: like everything, yeah, so the unc of the group. My
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: definition of modern technology a bit more broad typewriter.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: Mirror,
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: you're lucky I cannot
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: swear on the show.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: OK, that's wait, wait, wait, that's a good one. That's
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: a good one. That's a good one. Let's take a right.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: Is mirror considered technology? At some point it is, it
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: is a technology at some point. What were you born
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: in like the 500 precisely that's a joke. Oh, OK, OK, sorry,
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: a bit slow. I have to say, uh, of all
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: the way is an old man jokes, that's one of
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: my favorites are. It jumps very high on the list now, um, no, but.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: I would say the Ring.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: The ring, when it comes to using relatively modern technology, lah,
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: TV or VCR you were gonna say VHS. Well, the
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: ring is VHS la yeah lah. So it's, it look, when,
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: when you think about ghost stories, you don't think about
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: anything beyond.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: Say 1970 or 1950, so VHS is, I, I don't
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: know when VHS was invented, but the, the more popular
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: use of VHS was around 1980s, 1990s. So for me
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: that's still relatively modern. So I can cheat a little
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: bit like being older, I can go, yeah, VHS technically
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: still modern to me. I don't know again, I don't
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: know whether this is a true story or not, but
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: there's this story that I heard, um, so they were
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: these two best friends, ladies lah. So one of her
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: best friends died because of an accident.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: And then after the accident, for some reason like she
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: received a WhatsApp message or like messages from uh her
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: best friend.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: And then yeah, it's it's just uh it's just that
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: like let's say it's WhatsApp, right, so it's like what
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: the ghosts also can WhatsApp you something like that. I
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: don't know it will get unblocked by itself maybe it
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: depends on the the era if it's still back in
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: the day, right, maybe you just wait until they run
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: out of minutes maybe never buy prepaid card prepaid card.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: I I love the different levels of technology back in
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: the day when they run out of minutes VHS.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: OK, I don't know if this is considered technology, uh,
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: it's just like telephone, you know, when I heard this story, uh,
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: basically the, I think this happened, this happened in China,
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: so one of my friends was telling me this story,
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: basically it was during the seven-month period, although it wasn't,
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: it's not something that is celebrated to such a scale
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: in China as compared to in Southeast Asia, but they
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: celebrated it on like the first few days. So this,
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: it was the first day and then this.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: This lady, um, she was working late at night because China,
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: she was working late at night and because her dad
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: was out of town and her mom was at home,
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: so I think it was around like 10 p.m., 11 p.m.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: she was still not back yet, so her mom was
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: calling her and telling her, hey, um, like can you
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: come home soon and she was like, OK, sure, let
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: me just finish up a little bit more work first.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: So she just continued for another 30 minutes and then
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: The phone rang again. She picked up the call and
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: on the other line, it was the voice of a
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: young man. There was
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: Just a young man speaking, I can't remember exactly what
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: the guy was saying, but it was a young man,
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: so she was quite shocked and she was thinking, oh
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: my goodness, because the phone caller ID was her mom,
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: so what young man was in her home that night
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: with her mom, so she was quite alarmed then, so
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: she told her dad and her dad.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: He was really furious. He flew into a rage, so
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: he drove to the city wasn't that far away. He
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: didn't have to take a, didn't have to take a plane.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: He drove all the way back, uh, to the house.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: So he actually, when, when he got to the house, right.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: He arrived quicker than his daughter. I don't know how
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: he was just not that far away. So when he
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: got back, he saw that the house was empty, only
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: the mom was at home, so he was so angry.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: He was telling the daughter, what were you, what were
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: you saying just now? Like you said that there was
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: a guy at home. I came all the way back
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: from the neighboring city, and they also didn't find out
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: who was the one who made the call, how the
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: call even happened, but yeah, it was just a mom
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: at home. Maybe it was a 7 month thing, I
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: What do you think is the reason for that?
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: I think that
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: The
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: Phone was malfunctioning.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah,
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: like the, the service, the things got jumbled up or something.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: Cross frequencies if I don't know, I don't know the
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: exact science, but it used to be a point in
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: time where you could hear.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: Other people on your landline because cross frequencies. I don't
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: ask me about the science of it. I can't remember
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: what the science of it is. I don't even know
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: if I actually figured out the science of it, but yeah,
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: you could hear other people's calls when you pick up
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: the phone. Alright, it's time for us to start wrapping
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: things up. Ah, and that also means that it's time
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: for Kyle to get creepy with our morbid fact of
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: the day. So if you're always online like me, right,
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: you will definitely have heard the term creepy pasta.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: It's not, you know, actual pasta that you can eat
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: that's creepy. Creepy pasta is actually a short form of
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: user-generated horror story or urban legend that is copied and
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: pasted across the internet. Usually you'll find them on Reddit
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: no sleep lah.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: Hence the name Creepy Pasta. It was derived from a
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: blend of copy and paste. One of the very, very
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: first creepy pasta was Ted the Caver. It follows Ted
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: as he and his small group of friends explore a
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: local cave, which increasingly gets more and more terrifying. Uh,
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: it ends with a cliffhanger, where we were left to
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: presume that Ted has died.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, actually I love creepy pasta. This is the
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: first time I heard creepy pasta. Oh, you never heard
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: the phrase before. You Google a lot of ghost stories
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: that really, really good creepy pasta. How is fake lah.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: Is it like, like, um, it's like a global thing? Yeah,
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: even Singapore, Malaysia also have creamy pasta. People sub meat lah.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: They put inside. I always thought creepy pastas were urban.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: Like everybody knows that the creepy pasta is, it's, it's
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: invented by somebody like.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: More recently, they purposely, like, you know, make it sound
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: like an urban legend, but everybody knows that it's some
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: random guy just created it. Yeah, it's always some random guy,
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: some random guy start the trend that's if I'm not,
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: correct me if I'm wrong, but that's where Slender Man
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: came from, right? That's where Slender Man came from, correct? Yeah.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: Slender Man is the most famous one. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: they stopped already. Slender Man, they stopped already.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: Is Momo a creepy?
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: Who Moo Momo, which one's Momo the ugly looking thing
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: Momo like the
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: huge
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: bulging eyes and the
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: I thought it's like the black thing Moo one twice,
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: bro that one twice.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: Oh Rama, my, my, uh.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: I don't know why he's suddenly let people go, are
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: you talking about la boo boo? I don't know, man. Technically,
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: Momo does look like a devil la bubu. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: It looks like a cute thing, right, but the eyes
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: rub out on.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: You robot out of the my all my, all my
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: things all wrong.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe, you know what we should do? We should
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: try and create our own, our own creature, new creature,
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: and make it trending. No, we call it the Singapore
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: style one. People creepy pasta with creepy rub. No, no, no, no.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, I mean we, we, we make up, we, we, uh,
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: we think of a creature that we can share on
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: creepy pasta. If we're going to do it Singapore, shouldn't
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: it be creepy.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: Mirabos lah.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: Be hard lah. I see. I think I'm really hungry.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: All right. Thank you once again, Genesis for joining us.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: Thank you. Thank you, Genesis. Yeah. A lot of laughter.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: And thank you to all of you for tuning into
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: Tales from Incredible Tales. New episodes go online every week
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: on MeWatch, Me Listen, YouTube, Spotify and Apple Podcast.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: My name is Genesis.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: My name is Wayne. My name is Kyle. My name
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: is F.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: And we'll see you next time. Tales from Incredible Tales
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: was hosted by Far Anwar, Wayne Rui, and Kyle Ong,
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: with special guest, Genesis Lim, directed and produced by Kyle Ong,
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: written by Wayne Gray, assistant director, Chin Chin Wei, director
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: of photography, Shervin Chua, Gaffer, Jonathan Chan, art director, Jolen Lim,
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: sound recordist, Audrey Lee.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: Behind the scenes footage shot by Ella Mae Walker, hair
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: and makeup by Bino Lim, Production assistance, Aishwarani Durias Singam,
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: Ella May Walker. Post-production by Fudge Studios. Assistant editor, Ella
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: May Walker. Motion graphics by Jolene Lim.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: Camera support by Nikon Singapore, lighting support by Amaan, smoke
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: support by PMI gear, monitor support by Desview and DC
• 47:39
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• 47:44
  Speaker 2: Tales from Incredible Tales is a production of Hantu and
• 47:47
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