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Hour Two | Dr. Stephen Etheredge, AP Top 25 & Notre Dame Debate · Off The Bench

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  Speaker 1: Off the bench. We have to Jacob Hester and Matt Flynn.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, here we go.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the plays get broken down and science gets denied.
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  Speaker 1: Got to come off the bench. Hour two of Off the.
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  Speaker 3: Bench Live from the Raisin Kines Studio.
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  Speaker 4: All right, welcome back here Off the Bench, our number
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  Speaker 4: two on a Wednesday morning, live on.
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  Speaker 2: The Raisin Caines Studio.
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  Speaker 4: Chris Marlin elandra Kay and now joining the show like
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  Speaker 4: he does every single week at eight am, Doctor stephen
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  Speaker 4: Ethridge Dot, Good morning, how are we.
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  Speaker 5: Doing doing great? Doing awesome?
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you're doing awesome. It's training camp.
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  Speaker 5: Dare any camp day one baby.
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  Speaker 2: Day one week scited?
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  Speaker 5: We excited. I'm actually this time of year.
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  Speaker 6: Sometimes I'm not because you know, this is like, oh gosh,
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  Speaker 6: Like basically this past weekend was my last weekend, you know,
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  Speaker 6: until by weekend basically and then then it's only one
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  Speaker 6: and then so so so usually I'm a little bit
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  Speaker 6: still dreading it. But I think just there's a lot
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  Speaker 6: of enthusiasm that this is a new year, it's a
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  Speaker 6: new team, it's a new staff, and there's got that
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  Speaker 6: new car set.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, so I'm enjoying writing it around.
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  Speaker 4: They were curious We're curious to see, like how all
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  Speaker 4: the pieces work together, how all the coaches intermingle support,
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  Speaker 4: like how the coaches work with the support staff, the doctor.
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  Speaker 4: Like you've seen it a little bit in spring. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: but stuff hits the fan right now, it's about to.
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  Speaker 6: And you know, we were out there yesterday and we
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  Speaker 6: did a I do like a lecture for the team
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  Speaker 6: and the staff on catastrophic injuries, like how do we
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  Speaker 6: handle these things, kind of go over them like, hey,
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  Speaker 6: if this happens, this is what we're gonna do. And
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  Speaker 6: then we did a CPR session with the coaches. All
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  Speaker 6: the coaches got their certification yesterday, so so it really
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  Speaker 6: started for p US yesterday.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's good. It's good.
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  Speaker 6: You never know when stuff's gonna happen, and if we're
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  Speaker 6: not there it's a meeting or something crazy. You want
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  Speaker 6: to have people that know what to do. So I
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  Speaker 6: will say I was I was impressed with the coach's interaction. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: some years, they're kind of this group. They they kind
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  Speaker 6: of stepped up. They seem to actually enjoy the opportunity
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  Speaker 6: to learn. So you brought up the bye week.
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  Speaker 7: This is the first time in a couple of years,
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  Speaker 7: you've had less than two bye weeks, right.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, the past few years we've had the double you
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  Speaker 6: know which, which again that was kind of the anomaly
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  Speaker 6: for a while, but then yeah, it happened a few
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  Speaker 6: times in a row. But we're yeah, I guess maybe
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  Speaker 6: we're starting later. Maybe that that plays into it. I'm
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  Speaker 6: not I don't know scheduling stuff.
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  Speaker 4: So, Doc, you got a new staff coming in, And
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  Speaker 4: I'm always curious, like the common pieces that stay with
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  Speaker 4: the program during a coaches app while so much change
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  Speaker 4: is happen, and so you see it all the time
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  Speaker 4: with equipment managers, trainers, doctors, like video crew, Like there's
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  Speaker 4: there's pieces that stay that stay for a long time
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  Speaker 4: multiple coaches aff I'm always curious to see, like how
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  Speaker 4: different it is with the new coaching staff and how
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  Speaker 4: they you know, mingle and connect and there's a there's
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  Speaker 4: a specific relationship that has to have between the head
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  Speaker 4: coach and the doctors because the doctors don't usually deliver
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  Speaker 4: the best of news to a coach. They're saying, hey,
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  Speaker 4: your best player can't play. When a new coach comes in,
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  Speaker 4: like lane kif it, like, is there a meeting where
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  Speaker 4: the expectation of the relationship is kind of set and
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  Speaker 4: like do you have to kind of deal with different
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  Speaker 4: personalities a different way? Like how does he want news delivered?
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  Speaker 4: Like what's that expectation between that doctor coach relationship?
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  Speaker 5: It is different, you know, every coach is different. And
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  Speaker 5: usually we do have a meeting.
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  Speaker 6: And then we had one, you know a little bit
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  Speaker 6: after after Coach Kiven got there. We you know, we
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  Speaker 6: let them kind of get acclimated and you know, we
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  Speaker 6: sit down, have a talk and and kind of like
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  Speaker 6: we were just in a moment ago. Then once once
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  Speaker 6: the stuff hits the fan, some of those things are
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  Speaker 6: going to change. You know, the reality you kind of
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  Speaker 6: figure out, you know, kind of baptism by fire whatever,
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  Speaker 6: you know, metaphors we want to use here, but the
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  Speaker 6: reality of it, you know, yeah, it is different.
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  Speaker 5: We we tried our best to have.
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  Speaker 6: A plan and and then the plan adjust at when
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  Speaker 6: things happen.
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  Speaker 5: And but but I will say, you know, it's it's
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  Speaker 5: it's been fun. Uh. This staff has really embraced it.
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  Speaker 6: I've been really happy with what I've seen out of
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  Speaker 6: them because it's a different mentality. The last group that
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  Speaker 6: came in came in with the hey we're your savior.
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  Speaker 6: Are so lucky to have us, you know, And it
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  Speaker 6: was it was it was that feeling it all, Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: it was it was.
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  Speaker 5: It was uncomfortable.
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  Speaker 6: It wasn't a lot of fun to be honest with, right,
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  Speaker 6: uh in the beginning. And then this new staff comes
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  Speaker 6: in and almost to a t all of them are like, Hey,
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  Speaker 6: we're so excited to be a part of LSU. We're
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  Speaker 6: excited to be here. They're embracing the culture way more.
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  Speaker 6: And I think that's kind of showing thus far just
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  Speaker 6: in the interactions we're seeing, and for us, it makes
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  Speaker 6: it a lot easier. You known't I don't feel like
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  Speaker 6: the outsider, which was kind of interesting because I at
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  Speaker 6: this point been.
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  Speaker 5: Here as long as very very few people in the building.
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  Speaker 6: This mean transitions other than the medical like you said,
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  Speaker 6: and uh it it made me feel like an outsider
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  Speaker 6: last time, whereas now I'm like, hey, this is this
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  Speaker 6: is kind of fun.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm assuming that news is hard to break. The
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  Speaker 4: coaches sometimes, and you see, you know, I think we
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  Speaker 4: saw it with the Giants last year with Dayball and
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  Speaker 4: their coach like yelling at the doctor about the concussion
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  Speaker 4: stuff and going into the tent and things like that.
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  Speaker 4: You ever had a situation where you got to tell
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  Speaker 4: it coach and bad news and he didn't necessarily want
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  Speaker 4: to hear it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it happens.
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  Speaker 6: You know, we had a we had an athlete this
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  Speaker 6: past season who got a concussion in warm ups. I
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  Speaker 6: don't want to be too specific, so I don't remember
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  Speaker 6: how much you did, but but we had one and
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  Speaker 6: it was a starter. And and I remember coach comes
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  Speaker 6: in and look, I don't I don't get mad at coaching.
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  Speaker 6: Here he's angry because he's like, how did this happen?
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  Speaker 6: And I'm wondering the same thing, like guys were in
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  Speaker 6: warm ups? How did this happen? So so, and he's
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  Speaker 6: he's upset about it, and he basically asking who who
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  Speaker 6: was at the saidiatic concussion. You know, I had to
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  Speaker 6: kind of raise the hand right over here, coach, you know,
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  Speaker 6: And and it's.
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  Speaker 2: It's I need a second opinion.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's yeah, it's they want them sometimes they're not
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  Speaker 6: gonna get him on the sideline typically, you know, it's
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  Speaker 6: it's tough, and and I am the opinion.
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  Speaker 5: It's well, it's funny.
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  Speaker 4: I am science, you know, I I've.
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  Speaker 5: Tried right right, Apparently that works.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't know I to do that.
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  Speaker 6: It's an option that gummy. I miss missed my chance there.
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  Speaker 6: But uh, what's funny. I saw the other day in
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  Speaker 6: the facility and just up there and seeing Coacho up there,
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  Speaker 6: and I told him the story about and the Festa
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  Speaker 6: Bowl when Burrow.
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  Speaker 5: Took, you know, the vicious kame he took.
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  Speaker 6: I am mentally preparing myself the whole walk out there,
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  Speaker 6: the whole walk back, I'm intentionally slow walking it back,
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  Speaker 6: like I gotta hell, Coach, he's gonna be out.
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  Speaker 5: And then we get him on the sideline.
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  Speaker 6: You are you vound clear as a bell, and I'm like,
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  Speaker 6: I'm looking for a reason to put him out cause
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  Speaker 6: I'm like, I know he's out.
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  Speaker 5: I saw the hit. There's no way clear and go
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  Speaker 5: back in.
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  Speaker 6: I'm like, this is my you know, backside on the line,
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  Speaker 6: and every test he passed, he's clear as it. And
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  Speaker 6: finally I go to coach and like he's good. But
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  Speaker 6: I had to in my head, I'm like, oh gosh,
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  Speaker 6: like you you had yeah, yeah, I'm already sure that
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  Speaker 6: you're evaluation right, I'm getting ready, and I'm like I'm
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  Speaker 6: like seriously, the way out and way back.
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  Speaker 5: I'm like, my god, tell coach, I gotta, I gotta
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  Speaker 5: give him that bad news.
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  Speaker 2: You know, because you saw every the same thing everybody
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  Speaker 2: else saw.
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  Speaker 5: You're like, there's no way this guy cannot be Okay, Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: We've got this other kid got a concussion during warm ups.
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  Speaker 2: Definitely got it.
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  Speaker 6: He's definitely got one right, and it was so so
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  Speaker 6: so sometimes it's it's doesn't doesn't go the way you're thinking. Fortunately,
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  Speaker 6: but but yeah, you never want to tell the coach
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  Speaker 6: bad news. That's that's one of the harder parts. The
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  Speaker 6: only thing is hard is topally telling the kids and
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  Speaker 6: especially really bad news. But on the sideline outside of
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  Speaker 6: catastrophic stuff, yeah, having to break that news.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Is there anything in the concussion test? And I'm sure
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  Speaker 4: a lot of it, there's nothing like one. Is there
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  Speaker 4: anything objective that you're looking for? Is it all opinion
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  Speaker 4: based on experience and just doing it hundreds and hundreds
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  Speaker 4: of times.
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  Speaker 5: It's it's more the latter.
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  Speaker 6: It's it's you know, you could argue there are some
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  Speaker 6: objective tests, but there is nothing right now that we
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  Speaker 6: have Availa. There's a lot of stuff we're developing there's
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  Speaker 6: there's potentially a saliva test. In fact, Lshu's involved in
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  Speaker 6: research for a saliva test that you can theoretically get
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  Speaker 6: results back.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe we'll see. But yeah, it's.
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  Speaker 6: Mostly you've had to you have to kind of look
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  Speaker 6: at the individual gouy do your exam. Some of them
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  Speaker 6: are super obvious, but those ones that you know, it's
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  Speaker 6: kind of subtle, those can be tough. And and and look,
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  Speaker 6: I don't ever want to put an athlete out there
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  Speaker 6: that's injured. I don't ever want somebody to go out
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  Speaker 6: there the concussion. But on the other hand, you don't
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  Speaker 6: want to hold a guy back. I mean, it's for
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  Speaker 6: people who say it's it's it's not a big deal,
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  Speaker 6: it is that this is a huge deal, like.
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  Speaker 5: How much money's involved. These are these guys' careers, this
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  Speaker 5: is their future.
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  Speaker 6: So if I hold a guy back, if I'd held
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  Speaker 6: Burrow out of that that Fiesta Bowl.
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  Speaker 5: Game, just well, he did take a bad hit. I'm
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  Speaker 5: not sure he can go back in, you know.
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  Speaker 6: So so if I'd done that, you know, the trajectory
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  Speaker 6: of that team might have changed, and his trajectory might
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  Speaker 6: have changed, and so many things could have happened.
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  Speaker 5: From that one decision that would have been the wrong decision.
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  Speaker 7: That the car crazy thing to think because that that,
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  Speaker 7: I mean, it's joked around a lot on social media.
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  Speaker 7: That felt like a turning point for everything. Like he
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  Speaker 7: got up and then they put up like twenty something
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  Speaker 7: points in a row. That is really good.
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  Speaker 6: I feel like the legend of Joe Burrow started that much. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: you know that's didn't start nineteen and not the beginning
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  Speaker 6: of eighteen. It started, in my opinion, and again, we
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  Speaker 6: it wouldn't have been if.
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  Speaker 5: If I had held him. Nobody said it was crazy.
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  Speaker 6: We all saw the hit and it was you know,
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  Speaker 6: you have to make the right call and sometimes it's
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  Speaker 6: it's not easy.
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  Speaker 7: I don't want to give you too much credit because
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  Speaker 7: I think personally it was when he got pants to
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  Speaker 7: Mississippi State and the world got to see Joe Burrow's backside.
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  Speaker 7: I think that's when.
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  Speaker 6: Everyone that was a good moment as well. Yeah that was,
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  Speaker 6: but for some people that was when it probably started.
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  Speaker 4: I will say, and you it's a it's a fair
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  Speaker 4: point because like the whole concussion diagnosis is, you know,
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  Speaker 4: it's it's experience, it's seeing the indicators, it's not like
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  Speaker 4: a specific objective thing that it's like, it's not like
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  Speaker 4: taking a a.
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  Speaker 2: Strap strap throat test where it's like, yeah, have you
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  Speaker 2: got it. We're not.
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  Speaker 4: It's it's you're looking at it and you've got to
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  Speaker 4: make a decision. And like you said, like some of
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  Speaker 4: these bits, like it's Joe Burrow, like you diagnose some
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  Speaker 4: of the concussion that it doesn't get that that goes
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  Speaker 4: on the carfax, Like when people try to buy him later,
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  Speaker 4: they're gonna look back and be like, Okay, that year
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  Speaker 4: on that like he got a concussion. So I can't
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  Speaker 4: over that goes into the evaluating process of the athlete.
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  Speaker 5: It does.
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  Speaker 6: It does, And that's why I tell a lot of
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  Speaker 6: our we have a you know, a sports mess and fellowship.
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  Speaker 6: We train a lot of people, and one of the
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  Speaker 6: things I always tell them is like, if you're not sure,
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  Speaker 6: you can still hold them out, but don't say it's concussion.
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  Speaker 6: So I always tell my guys like, look, let's call
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  Speaker 6: it a headache. Let's do our ev ow and then
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  Speaker 6: if we know it's concussion, we can always say then
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  Speaker 6: because once you have it on there, you can't really
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  Speaker 6: go back to the medical right and erase that that's
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  Speaker 6: gonna look really really skeedul, that even looks worse. So
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  Speaker 6: so yeah, I tell people, look, let's let's do our
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  Speaker 6: evaw if you're at all worried, we hold them out,
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  Speaker 6: let's continue the evaluation process, because yeah, once it's there,
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  Speaker 6: it's there, and it's in the record, and so so again,
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  Speaker 6: we aren't gonna lie about it. If you have a concussion,
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  Speaker 6: they have a conussion, we're gonna treat it as such.
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  Speaker 6: But let's make sure. And then sometimes it's not immediately evident.
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  Speaker 4: How are power pitch counts decided in training camp and
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  Speaker 4: throughout the year too, whether it's a soft tissue injury,
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  Speaker 4: whether it's a guy that may be coming off an
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  Speaker 4: injury from last year. You know, you take like and
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  Speaker 4: you don't don't get specifical, like I'll say, like, what
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  Speaker 4: weeks he has the injuries? He has told us on
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  Speaker 4: the show that he's entering camp for the first time
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  Speaker 4: ever fully healthy. But so there's probably pitch counts put
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  Speaker 4: on players. Who comes up with that number? Is that
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  Speaker 4: a I'm assuming it's some sort of conversation between everybody
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  Speaker 4: between you, the doctors, the training staff, and the coaches,
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  Speaker 4: or is there sometimes where it's like a hard line
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  Speaker 4: where like no coach he like he can't do more
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  Speaker 4: than this, this and.
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  Speaker 5: That, but both are true.
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  Speaker 6: You know, we use the term a lot share decision
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  Speaker 6: making in sports medicine because a lot of times it
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  Speaker 6: is a discussion. You know, we'll the team docs, with
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  Speaker 6: the athletic trainers, with the coach, with the player, depending
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  Speaker 6: on the circumstance. And I don't I don't know that
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  Speaker 6: there's an exact science, because there really, you know, there
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  Speaker 6: really isn't. You know, you have to look at each individual,
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  Speaker 6: use your best judgment, use your experience, sometimes understanding the
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  Speaker 6: coaching staff. So we've had a coaching staff that are
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  Speaker 6: way more receptive toward the ideas than others.
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  Speaker 5: So sometimes you got to.
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  Speaker 6: Be a little bit more aggressive with your stance as
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  Speaker 6: a medical staff, and other times you can kind of,
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  Speaker 6: you know, have a good conversation, say, look, coach this guy,
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  Speaker 6: I really think we need to kind of watch this injury.
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  Speaker 6: It's something where if you had to go, we could
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  Speaker 6: or and you just kind of figure all that out.
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  Speaker 6: And so it's it's it's there's not really an easy.
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  Speaker 5: Way to do it.
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  Speaker 6: I think it takes a lot of experience, and you know,
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  Speaker 6: we're fortunate to have a lot of good people around
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  Speaker 6: the team. Our training staff there, the Outhreic trainers are awesome.
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  Speaker 6: I've been very lucky since I've been here. We've had
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  Speaker 6: a really good staff, even when we've had some changes.
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  Speaker 6: So that helps because they understand the coaches, they understand
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  Speaker 6: the culture more than I do. So then you know,
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  Speaker 6: as a doc, we'll sit down with them this is
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  Speaker 6: this is the best plan.
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  Speaker 5: Uh. But but it's it's it's not exact.
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  Speaker 4: That's refer Have you ever had a kid you're evaluating
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  Speaker 4: or talking to, maybe it's before practice, maybe it's after
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  Speaker 4: a practice or before a game or something. He's telling
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  Speaker 4: you as symptoms and he's telling you what's going on,
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  Speaker 4: and you've evaluated him and you've looked at him, and
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  Speaker 4: have you ever just said like, hey, stop being up,
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  Speaker 4: you know what, and and you're not hurt, get back
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  Speaker 4: out there.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, well, you know, obviously we are trying
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  Speaker 6: to try to be polite with it, you know, but
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  Speaker 6: now sometimes the trainers that's that's in there's different lines.
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  Speaker 6: The trainers are oftentimes a little more blunt with the guys,
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  Speaker 6: right because they have that relationship.
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  Speaker 5: They're there every day and they're like, Louke Man, you know,
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  Speaker 5: we know.
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  Speaker 2: You, we got it.
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  Speaker 5: Suck it up. But yeah, sometimes I have to say
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  Speaker 5: Luke Man that you know this, there's nothing wrong with you. You're good.
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  Speaker 6: Get out there and and and I think sometimes the guys,
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  Speaker 6: you know, they look, I've been there, We've been tired.
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  Speaker 6: You just feel like you need a day off. You're
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  Speaker 6: not feeling your best, and sometimes that you just need
• 12:26
  Speaker 6: a little kicking the keystra y.
• 12:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you gotta get the doctor.
• 12:30
  Speaker 2: The movie The.
• 12:30
  Speaker 7: Miracle, what is it, It's like someone was like leg
• 12:34
  Speaker 7: being hurt, like I mean different being hurt or injured.
• 12:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so that's that's a big thing. I'm sure it is.
• 12:39
  Speaker 4: Let's switch the focus a little bit too towards the
• 12:43
  Speaker 4: NFL right now, and let's talk about some some x
• 12:45
  Speaker 4: L s U players jayde and Daniels going into his
• 12:49
  Speaker 4: third season, historic rookie season the last year, suffered through
• 12:53
  Speaker 4: a couple of different injuries. He had a little bit
• 12:56
  Speaker 4: of he had a niece brain a week two or
• 12:57
  Speaker 4: a hamstring issue, but the main injury that kept him
• 13:00
  Speaker 4: out was a hyper extension, kind of a gross one
• 13:02
  Speaker 4: hyper extension on the left elbow. Talk about recovery from that.
• 13:07
  Speaker 4: Obviously much better that's on his left arm than his
• 13:11
  Speaker 4: right arm, but talk about that that kind of recovery.
• 13:13
  Speaker 4: Is there any Yeah, I'm assuming this is probably he
• 13:17
  Speaker 4: he heard it, then he reheard it later in the season,
• 13:19
  Speaker 4: so it's probably seven six, seven, eight months something like
• 13:22
  Speaker 4: that since he last heard it. Any anything for any
• 13:25
  Speaker 4: LSU fans or Commander fans will be worried about, you.
• 13:27
  Speaker 6: Know, I don't think so, especially now he's had the
• 13:29
  Speaker 6: time and to your point, it's the left side, so
• 13:31
  Speaker 6: right side. I'd be a lot more concerned with this
• 13:33
  Speaker 6: injury because if you dislocate a joint, complete dislocation of
• 13:36
  Speaker 6: a joint, which he had, you tear something's it's not
• 13:39
  Speaker 6: it's not a maybe, it's you did you know?
• 13:41
  Speaker 2: And tendons. I know there's a big nerve in there.
• 13:43
  Speaker 6: So at the very least, yet you have a bunch
• 13:45
  Speaker 6: of ligaments around there. You do have the older nerve
• 13:46
  Speaker 6: that runs right behind the elbow, and you can have
• 13:49
  Speaker 6: damage the owner RB.
• 13:50
  Speaker 5: Now that would be a little more concerning.
• 13:51
  Speaker 6: Because you know, taking a snap, doing all those things,
• 13:53
  Speaker 6: if you had some nerve damage and you had some
• 13:55
  Speaker 6: some residual numbness, weakness in the hand. Doesn't seem like
• 13:57
  Speaker 6: he had any of that, so you know, that would
• 13:59
  Speaker 6: have been pretty obvious early on. But the reality of it, Yeah,
• 14:03
  Speaker 6: I'm sure he tore some ligaments, at the very least
• 14:04
  Speaker 6: around the elbow. Now, some of those will scaring, and
• 14:07
  Speaker 6: heel wellis you don't always need surgery. If it was
• 14:09
  Speaker 6: a throwing arm, it probably would have been a surgical thing.
• 14:11
  Speaker 6: And then you're you're really worried about how, you know,
• 14:14
  Speaker 6: his mechanics and everything's going to be coming forward, so
• 14:16
  Speaker 6: so dodge the bullet with that. At least it was
• 14:19
  Speaker 6: the left side, And you know, I don't think I'd
• 14:21
  Speaker 6: be that worried about it. If anything, you know, the
• 14:23
  Speaker 6: things I worry more about in a guy like him,
• 14:25
  Speaker 6: you know, is going to be the hamstrings and the knee.
• 14:26
  Speaker 6: And again those weren't serious injuries, but he relies a
• 14:29
  Speaker 6: lot in his legs. You know, he's a talented passer
• 14:31
  Speaker 6: as well. But but you know, a huge part of
• 14:33
  Speaker 6: his game is his athletic ability and and and you know,
• 14:36
  Speaker 6: I'm assuming he's done a lot of rehab on that,
• 14:38
  Speaker 6: so I'm not really overly worried there either.
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: Can you can?
• 14:40
  Speaker 4: You like, you have tendons and ligaments that obviously gave out,
• 14:44
  Speaker 4: like you said, to stretched out like and you hear
• 14:46
  Speaker 4: it with the Achilles stuff. You hear people talking about
• 14:48
  Speaker 4: the rubber band, like the rubber band, and sometimes it's
• 14:51
  Speaker 4: just an old rubber band and sometimes but rubber bands,
• 14:54
  Speaker 4: once they get stretched, they're not as tight as they
• 14:56
  Speaker 4: used to be as well. So like in the elbow,
• 14:58
  Speaker 4: something happens like that, is it can you strengthen that
• 15:01
  Speaker 4: back up to a point to a point that it's
• 15:04
  Speaker 4: like as stable as it was.
• 15:05
  Speaker 5: You can? You can, or at least very close. You know.
• 15:07
  Speaker 6: Sometimes we'll look at a joint that had a previous injury,
• 15:10
  Speaker 6: like his elbow potentially, or you know, somebody had an
• 15:12
  Speaker 6: old MCL sprain or something like that, and they're gonna
• 15:15
  Speaker 6: have a little more laxity than what is quote normal.
• 15:17
  Speaker 6: But if you really do a good job strengthen up
• 15:19
  Speaker 6: everything around it, most of the times people do just fine.
• 15:21
  Speaker 5: There's a lot of guys.
• 15:22
  Speaker 6: Playing at every sport, in every league, at every level
• 15:25
  Speaker 6: that have had, you know, an old MCL injury that
• 15:28
  Speaker 6: maybe still a little loose, but doesn't bother them at
• 15:30
  Speaker 6: all or once in a blue moon. Now it can
• 15:32
  Speaker 6: be a problem too if it's super loose and super relax, so.
• 15:35
  Speaker 5: There probably is some evidence of it.
• 15:37
  Speaker 6: But yes, if you heal well, if you do some
• 15:40
  Speaker 6: good mustard strengthening and rehab, you can do a lot
• 15:42
  Speaker 6: to compensate for that.
• 15:44
  Speaker 7: So outside of obviously season ending, career ending like anything
• 15:49
  Speaker 7: like super bad like that, What's what's like the one
• 15:52
  Speaker 7: industry or injury you don't want to see? Like I remember,
• 15:56
  Speaker 7: like there was like one year I pulled something like
• 15:58
  Speaker 7: the back of my knee, like like the like the
• 16:00
  Speaker 7: lower part of my hamstrings, something like that, and it
• 16:02
  Speaker 7: just nagged the entire year. What's like the one thing
• 16:06
  Speaker 7: you don't want to see this early on.
• 16:07
  Speaker 6: In camp, Well, we're gonna see softissue injuries, hamstrings something
• 16:10
  Speaker 6: that I hate seeing them. But just because you know,
• 16:12
  Speaker 6: once you have it, especially in some of these speed
• 16:14
  Speaker 6: you know powerful guys, you know, once it's there, they
• 16:17
  Speaker 6: are bear. We've got a lot of things we're able
• 16:19
  Speaker 6: to do to help them out, but just just you
• 16:21
  Speaker 6: do worry about those, uh. And I think we talked
• 16:23
  Speaker 6: about some of it, and this is one that's just
• 16:24
  Speaker 6: in general medicine. I hate seeing in any of our
• 16:26
  Speaker 6: guys if they have any kind of cartilage damage, anything
• 16:28
  Speaker 6: inside the joint just doesn't heal as well. So probably
• 16:31
  Speaker 6: a little bit of both that we're talking about from
• 16:33
  Speaker 6: a long term standpoint, Probably the cartilage if we're talking
• 16:35
  Speaker 6: about just something in camp, even though I know we're
• 16:37
  Speaker 6: gonna see him. I hate seeing the hamstrings in the
• 16:39
  Speaker 6: quads and the soft issue just because those keep poking
• 16:42
  Speaker 6: their heads back up.
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: I gotta say, I don't want to see any more
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: oblique injuries. It's fair, yeah, yeah, and the soft tissue
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: like hamstring for whatever reason, Like it's just hard to rehab.
• 16:54
  Speaker 6: It right, and how to get back to normal like
• 16:57
  Speaker 6: in the season. Yeah, that's not just rest. Yeah, goes
• 17:00
  Speaker 6: down to that pitch count. Now how much is too much?
• 17:01
  Speaker 6: And at some point you gotta tested out whatever it is.
• 17:04
  Speaker 6: That's what I tell you, guys.
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: Look at you.
• 17:05
  Speaker 6: You're never gonna be perfect. We're gonna have to get
• 17:07
  Speaker 6: you out there. You're gonna feel it a little bit.
• 17:09
  Speaker 6: And then the problem is when does it go from
• 17:10
  Speaker 6: feeling it to re injuring and reaggravating it, and then
• 17:13
  Speaker 6: it's a it's a fine line.
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: Well, thank goodness, we don't have any electric magnetic fields
• 17:18
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• 17:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, they keep trying to deny it, Doc, can
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: you believe it?
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: So many it's you know, it's obviously the costs. I
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: think this is there. There's something there said something.
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: Uh, well, Doc, we we thank you so much for
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: your time each and every week. And I know your
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: life's about to get busier, but in a good way,
• 17:44
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• 17:50
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• 17:51
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• 17:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm excited. So that's hopefully that l s U
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: stays healthy. And but we know that it is a
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: collision sport and you are going to at least be busy,
• 18:00
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• 18:03
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• 18:07
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• 21:01
  Speaker 4: we got still talking season. I know training camp is
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  Speaker 4: upon us. I know we're getting the practice field today
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: all around the country, LSU Tigers, I know the Saints
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: have been probably for about a week now, but it's
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: you know, it's still talking season. There's only so much
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: we can see, only so much we can gather. We
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: love seeing players on the practice field playing tackle football.
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: But it's also top twenty five season Coaches pole comes
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: out yesterday.
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: It drops first one they dropped it.
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: And a lot to discuss from that, A lot of
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: talk about and like I'm not a guy I can't like, lie,
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: I can't say that I am really interested in just
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: like looking at the top twenty five schedules, like especially
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: the preseason one. But it is a good insight and
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: a good look into the opinions that people have across
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: the country and specifically about your roster.
• 21:51
  Speaker 7: The SEC bias, SEC.
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: Bias, that's right, and it is predictable that kind of
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: the narrative is the Big Ten. Of course they've won
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: three national championships in a row and everybody is viewing
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: them as top heavy and the SEC being a little
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: bit more more depth. And of course that SEC with
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: nine teams total in the top twenty five, Big Ten,
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: number one and number two Ohio State number one, organ
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: number two, and then so they have three teams in
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: the top thirteen and SEC has seventeens in the top thirteen.
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: So that does kind of go to shay E and
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: does complete that narrative of the top heavy viewpoint across
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: the country of the Big Ten and more depth with
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: the SEC.
• 22:34
  Speaker 7: It's also it also proves the point that the ESPN
• 22:39
  Speaker 7: literally held a gun to the heavy coaches and you
• 22:41
  Speaker 7: better put the SEC in here.
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: Loaded.
• 22:46
  Speaker 7: I mean, who knows your rusty knife. So Mason jar okay.
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: All right, number one Ohio State, number two. Oregan Georgia
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: comes in at number three. A little bit of surprise
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: that they're to Texas, I think, I mean just because
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: of what I heard at SEC media, boy was going
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: to put Texas at number one in the country. Yeah,
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: I mean they've beat them three times last year. I
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: got it, Like I get it. I'm I'm I'm with
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: you on that. Just from the what I have heard
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: and hearing people talk is they think Texas is going
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: to be number one. Texas at number four, Notre Dame,
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: the cowards themselves.
• 23:19
  Speaker 8: What the hell?
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: What is that?
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: What?
• 23:22
  Speaker 7: Like?
• 23:22
  Speaker 8: Why at five.
• 23:25
  Speaker 9: Day? Because I don't think their rosters that good at all.
• 23:28
  Speaker 9: Everybody's like CJ. Carr was great last year. Here's okod,
• 23:30
  Speaker 9: here's good. They have Jordan Faison back at receiver. Outside
• 23:35
  Speaker 9: of that, you're not going to be able to name
• 23:37
  Speaker 9: me a guy that they got and lost Price and
• 23:39
  Speaker 9: Jeremiah Love. It's their schedule. They have an easy schedule.
• 23:42
  Speaker 9: That's play any one. So what they're trying to do
• 23:46
  Speaker 9: is be right at the end of the year, be like, hey,
• 23:47
  Speaker 9: look their name, they're in the top seven we have
• 23:49
  Speaker 9: preseason number five. Can't really complain, but roster to roster, No,
• 23:53
  Speaker 9: I don't think they should be that high.
• 23:54
  Speaker 7: I did get the car fifth in the country last
• 23:55
  Speaker 7: year QB rating, But I do think you make a
• 23:58
  Speaker 7: good point. I don't know any of the receiver. I
• 24:00
  Speaker 7: don't like I know Leonard.
• 24:01
  Speaker 9: Jordan last year I think had six hundred yards of
• 24:04
  Speaker 9: four touchdown so good year. But outside of that nothing,
• 24:07
  Speaker 9: and then they were lied on that running game a lot. Yeah,
• 24:09
  Speaker 9: those are two first round picks they lost in the backfield.
• 24:12
  Speaker 9: He's got to carry a lot.
• 24:13
  Speaker 7: That's schedules.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, joke. The schedule is easy, is what does Notre
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: Dame is a joke. They are a joke. They're cowards.
• 24:20
  Speaker 8: Dare stop putting them top five again.
• 24:24
  Speaker 7: We joked about this yesterday. We don't have to bring
• 24:26
  Speaker 7: up the graphic. But I made a joke top twenty
• 24:29
  Speaker 7: five in January and it's almost the exact same. Yeah,
• 24:34
  Speaker 7: and it's like pretty serious. They're always going to be
• 24:37
  Speaker 7: tough five or top eight right like there they're no.
• 24:39
  Speaker 8: I get it.
• 24:39
  Speaker 10: I'm not like I get I get I get it.
• 24:43
  Speaker 10: I don't want them there though, I don't need that
• 24:46
  Speaker 10: explained to me, I.
• 24:46
  Speaker 7: Don't improve anything, yeah until win, Like we just want
• 24:50
  Speaker 7: we get it.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: We just want to hate on them.
• 24:51
  Speaker 9: That's because they because again talent wise, I don't I
• 24:54
  Speaker 9: don't think it's there, but like you know, easy schedule,
• 24:57
  Speaker 9: and then I mean, what do we talk about all
• 24:59
  Speaker 9: off season now it's oh, well, if we're in the
• 25:00
  Speaker 9: top twelve at the end of the rankings, like we
• 25:02
  Speaker 9: have to be in the college Football Playoff and their schedule,
• 25:05
  Speaker 9: like you kind of gott to have assume they're going
• 25:06
  Speaker 9: to be there unless something drastic happen.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: So it is frustrating.
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: It seems like such common sense to hate them and
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: to think that they're cowards, And it is shocking to
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: me how few people actually say it and are out there,
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: Like so many people hate LSU right for because they're
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: the coaching change of the timing and the calendar year
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: for college football and college athletics.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: But like, at least we play.
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: People hate Notre Dame because they are making a mockery
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: of the system.
• 25:38
  Speaker 8: They're not even in a conference.
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: They talked for one week last year. They talked about
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: this under the table handshake agreement they made to the
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: playoff convey that said that they are automatically in.
• 25:48
  Speaker 8: Fact, join a conference.
• 25:51
  Speaker 7: There's no program in there's no there's no team in
• 25:55
  Speaker 7: sports that is more catered to throughout history than Notre Dame.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean.
• 26:02
  Speaker 7: The Motark Bowl.
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: Where the bothers me is the former players and people
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: that coach there, and they're like you for all those.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: Of y'all saying join a conference, y'all just don't understand that.
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: Nobody understands the history of of Notre Dame and all
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: this stuff. And I'm like, your players are getting paid
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: millions of dollars history history, it's not nineteen seventies.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: You're not winning national titles.
• 26:28
  Speaker 7: Stage. They also had, they had they're the only team
• 26:32
  Speaker 7: that had a built in clause with like college football, like, hey,
• 26:35
  Speaker 7: if you go ten wins in the BCS area, yeah
• 26:39
  Speaker 7: that keep in mind they went to eight dating back
• 26:41
  Speaker 7: to ninety five or something like that in BCS Bowls
• 26:44
  Speaker 7: and New Year's Six Bowls until recently. But now, I mean, like, listen,
• 26:48
  Speaker 7: you played a crap schedule and you played there are
• 26:51
  Speaker 7: two good teams that were on the schedule. You lost
• 26:53
  Speaker 7: to both of them. Do I think they're one of
• 26:54
  Speaker 7: the twelve best teams. Sure the resume has account for
• 26:57
  Speaker 7: something we learned that year before in the SEC. I
• 26:59
  Speaker 7: don't this idea whatever. There's so many talking points on
• 27:03
  Speaker 7: this that pissed me off. And you're one thousand percent right,
• 27:05
  Speaker 7: you're a thousand percent right, You're a thousand percent right
• 27:07
  Speaker 7: about Notre Dame slander. It is absurd.
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: It's why does why does national media? Why does college
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: football pander to them? Why do they? Yeah, I got it,
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: and then it's a great history, and I think it's
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: it would be would be It would absolutely be awesome
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: for Notre Dame if they were in the Big Ten
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: or they wherever they go.
• 27:31
  Speaker 7: The A the acc out of all of those, which
• 27:34
  Speaker 7: is like historically.
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  Speaker 9: The weakest confidence of the other one too.
• 27:38
  Speaker 7: I mean, it's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: I just don't.
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: I was always taught as a player at every single level,
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: even the NFL. Even if you are Tom Brady, football
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: owes you nothing football continues after you. After you retire,
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: there will be football played, So you are nobody is
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: above it. We constantly keep telling Notre Dame that they
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: are of college football always because there's an exception to
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: the rule.
• 28:04
  Speaker 7: I don't see him get boat raced by somebody good.
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And does that mean they're a bad football team. No, No,
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: I think Mark Sreeam is a great coach.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: I did. I think.
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: I think there's a lot to like about their team,
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: their coaches, certainly. Now, their decision that Marcus led him
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: make last year in the bowl games was awful. It
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: was a terrible look for Marcus and I didn't expect
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: that from him.
• 28:24
  Speaker 7: And think about the narratives that we have, like we
• 28:28
  Speaker 7: brought up of Texas, like it's ridiculous they'd be the
• 28:30
  Speaker 7: number one team in the preseason when they didn't win
• 28:32
  Speaker 7: the Nationals the year before, or you know, being over
• 28:35
  Speaker 7: Georgia and all that kind of stuff, or like A
• 28:37
  Speaker 7: and M. Think about like the narrative around A and M,
• 28:39
  Speaker 7: how they're always ranked too high and they always fall apart.
• 28:42
  Speaker 7: Another name gotten away with murder for like years, I mean,
• 28:45
  Speaker 7: like it's it's in. They haven't won a national title.
• 28:49
  Speaker 7: I'll tell you what I said. That's a Notre dame
• 28:51
  Speaker 7: for the other day. They have the same amount of
• 28:53
  Speaker 7: national titles since nineteen eighty nine as Mississippi State, Vanderbilt,
• 28:58
  Speaker 7: South Carolina. Now it's ridiculous. Got a six No.
• 29:05
  Speaker 9: I mean, I just think there's a lot of people
• 29:08
  Speaker 9: that are living in the past. Like Matt talks about
• 29:09
  Speaker 9: their history, That's what it is. It's history. Like I
• 29:13
  Speaker 9: put Notre Dame in the same territories Penn State because
• 29:15
  Speaker 9: they've won pretty much the same recency. I mean, look
• 29:17
  Speaker 9: where they're at.
• 29:18
  Speaker 7: Which is another team in the top twenty five that
• 29:21
  Speaker 7: is going to be ranked higher at the end of
• 29:23
  Speaker 7: the year because they play a joke of a schedule.
• 29:25
  Speaker 9: So I'm glad you I'm glad you brought that up
• 29:27
  Speaker 9: when you were talking about, you know, teams that are
• 29:29
  Speaker 9: going to be maybe ranked higher. Yeah, Penn State this
• 29:32
  Speaker 9: year does not play Ohio State, they do not play Indiana,
• 29:35
  Speaker 9: they do not play Oregon. Their toughest road game is
• 29:38
  Speaker 9: at Washington and then they play USC at home and Michigan.
• 29:42
  Speaker 9: Three ranked teams, No High State, no Oregon, uh, no Indiana.
• 29:47
  Speaker 7: It's the easiest powerful schedule in the country.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, how did you their roster decimated? Well, I
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: think Matt Campbell's a good coach.
• 29:56
  Speaker 9: I always like that, but.
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: But yeah, when that can't you can't win the Kentucky
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: Derby with the jackass, I don't know what you do,
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't call you jackass.
• 30:07
  Speaker 7: I know I'm saying.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: I'm saying, like me to donkeys. Well they don't race
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: in the Kentucky Derby, is all I'm saying.
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: All right, Number six, Indiana, you're reigning national champions Way
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: too low, way too low.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: Wait when you say load, you mean they're over ranked or.
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: Really made them.
• 30:24
  Speaker 9: They lost Fernando, they lost think about all their offensive
• 30:27
  Speaker 9: weapons outside of outside of Charlie Becker. You lost Omar Cooper,
• 30:30
  Speaker 9: you lost the Loijas, Surratt lost both started running back.
• 30:32
  Speaker 9: You lost for Nanda Mendoza.
• 30:34
  Speaker 7: They are off.
• 30:35
  Speaker 9: I think is great, and I think they're going to
• 30:38
  Speaker 9: be ranked higher. But these polls are based on on paper.
• 30:41
  Speaker 7: You want if you want a national championship, and you
• 30:43
  Speaker 7: went sixteen and oh the year before, you return your
• 30:45
  Speaker 7: head coach, every single one of the coaching coaches on staff,
• 30:47
  Speaker 7: unlike Oregon who lost both their coordinators.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: You turn everyone. I think Organ's too hot.
• 30:51
  Speaker 7: You return everyone to defensive line. You get seven Stefan
• 30:54
  Speaker 7: right or Ridley or whatever. Riley back this this week.
• 30:56
  Speaker 7: The kid with the NFL, I mean they are that's
• 31:00
  Speaker 7: I just think that you didn't lose enough on staff
• 31:04
  Speaker 7: and your roster to.
• 31:05
  Speaker 9: Be like, you know what, Like they state in Oregon,
• 31:09
  Speaker 9: Signetti is the ultimate like Trump card in that because
• 31:12
  Speaker 9: he did it with a lot less talent. But I'm
• 31:14
  Speaker 9: just saying, like on paper, if you're like, oh, who
• 31:16
  Speaker 9: lost a lot they did? Now, I think Josh Hoover
• 31:18
  Speaker 9: is actually pretty good. I think it was probably a
• 31:20
  Speaker 9: little bit better at TCU than most people gave Hi
• 31:22
  Speaker 9: credit for what he's gonna be good at Indiana. But
• 31:24
  Speaker 9: I mean, I guess I could see both sides of it.
• 31:26
  Speaker 7: I six teams.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: Really two.
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: When s when you look at rankings and you look
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: at lists and you said they're way too low, does
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: that mean they're not they're underrated or overrated?
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: I think the low is a lower number, the lower
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: on the list.
• 31:45
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I think they're let's get to ten and then
• 31:47
  Speaker 8: let's take a break.
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: And come back.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah I was.
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: I was actually just alright, seven Miami A and m
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: at eight way too high, which is wait, you know,
• 31:56
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  Speaker 4: Right we're going to go to break and we are
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: going to give a little context to the end of
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: that top ten, and also see where LSU is ranked
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: on the Coach's Top twenty five pole.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: To stick with us right here and off the bench,
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  Speaker 2: Off the.
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• 33:17
  Speaker 3: You're listening to off the bench.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: Hi, welcome back here, off the bench.
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: Wednesday morning, training camp day UNSSU starts practice. They might
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: even be on the field right now, maybe doing some
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: walk news. If they're not, they're at least getting that
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: ankle taped. They're getting ready, getting stretched. Should have taped
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: the nerves, the butterflies, we should have.
• 33:57
  Speaker 8: Yeah, just in solidarity.
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you did just that. Yet you're having a good
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: ankle day, having a great ankle day. I love those days.
• 34:05
  Speaker 7: You don't have a lot of them, don't have a lot.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: Gotta celebrate them when it happens.
• 34:09
  Speaker 7: You got to celebrate the winds.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: Celebrate the winds.
• 34:12
  Speaker 10: I think it was like most kinkly Matt than me.
• 34:16
  Speaker 10: It was Matt, then me, then Jake, then Taylor.
• 34:22
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and the ankle bone is defined, thank you. Nothing
• 34:26
  Speaker 7: worse than not an ankle you look down just he
• 34:28
  Speaker 7: straight lined.
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 34:33
  Speaker 10: I felt real bad about myself because I think my
• 34:35
  Speaker 10: ankles were bigger than Tailor's.
• 34:37
  Speaker 8: My ankles are my cats.
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: I don't know which one it was.
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: Got ut.
• 34:48
  Speaker 9: They called him a sprinter legs, roll, long and skinny.
• 34:53
  Speaker 7: I would have thought, no, this is not a negative thing,
• 34:56
  Speaker 7: and just knowing he's gonna hear it and then he'd
• 34:59
  Speaker 7: be the most I would have thought that.
• 35:01
  Speaker 8: I mean, yeah, the thought process makes sense. Yeah, you
• 35:04
  Speaker 8: know what I mean.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: Boat legging.
• 35:06
  Speaker 7: I don't know if he's bow lugging.
• 35:07
  Speaker 8: Oh yeah, he's bow legged for sure.
• 35:09
  Speaker 7: I think the fatter.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: I get how he kept his knees off the ground
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: against Florida, the.
• 35:14
  Speaker 7: Leg saying you, I thought he.
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: Was down, brother, dude.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: It can be it can be bad.
• 35:23
  Speaker 7: I will say this. I mean, Jake, you were down.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: You didn't get it, you man.
• 35:28
  Speaker 7: I remember doing a show with him and Connor on
• 35:30
  Speaker 7: st S and he was talking about the last one
• 35:32
  Speaker 7: where he got in the end zone and they had
• 35:34
  Speaker 7: the camera right above him and he was just like
• 35:38
  Speaker 7: what he had taken some hits that game.
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but even taking hits, what are you taking?
• 35:46
  Speaker 8: Were you taking it like you're gonna swagway segwayeg?
• 35:51
  Speaker 7: I was finish off time hit on the top twenty five.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Okay, let's say let's get there, Let's let's finish this.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: Let's finish this top ten. We'll at least get to
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: l s U.
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: We close out with the top ten, Bama at eleven,
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: Texas take at twelve, LSU all right, LSU fight, and
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: Tigers sit at thirteen. Of course, in the state of Louisiana. Here,
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: our listeners are probably gonna be like, are you kidding me?
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: That is underrated. Now there's the playoffs, just matt playoffs, well,
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: You know, Notre Dames in So I I'm looking at
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: this and if I had to, if I had to
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: go do this over, I'm gonna switch them in Bama
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: right now. Obama shouldn't be at a least way too high,
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: So I'm at least switching them. Am I putting them
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: top ten?
• 36:34
  Speaker 7: In my heart?
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm putting them at one.
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: Uh But I understand as far as voter and creating
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: this top ten list, and there's multiple there's there's two
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: different ways to do the top twenty five a preseason list.
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: You can either do it by how you think they
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: look on paper or what you think it's gonna finish.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: At the end of the suit.
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: And I think most of these lists are a combination
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: of both of those. You can look at the Notre
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: Dame pick and be like, well, that's but based on
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: our schedule, that's where I think they're going to finish.
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: But then you can look at a Ohio state and
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: be like, that's number one, but I still think George
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: is gonna win the national championship or whatever.
• 37:09
  Speaker 7: Like.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: But on paper, you're looking at what they're returning, who
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: they brought in all the same thing. That that's how
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: I go. You just take it how you.
• 37:18
  Speaker 7: Single group of sixteen in the top twenty five, we
• 37:22
  Speaker 7: know that's not going to play out that way for sure.
• 37:24
  Speaker 7: I mean again, I'm not trying to be like toot
• 37:27
  Speaker 7: my own horn here, but like the combination of SMU, Iowa, Houston,
• 37:34
  Speaker 7: MISSOO being in that like eighteen to twenty five range
• 37:38
  Speaker 7: just tail as old as time every year. I remember
• 37:41
  Speaker 7: when I made that that graphic, I was like, TC
• 37:43
  Speaker 7: or SMEU will be right here and I can't explain it,
• 37:45
  Speaker 7: but it's exactly right.
• 37:46
  Speaker 9: No, they'll they'll pick a they'll pick a team. They're like,
• 37:48
  Speaker 9: they're normally pretty good.
• 37:50
  Speaker 7: That's that's exactly what seventeen or eighteen, that's that's prime
• 37:53
  Speaker 7: for a team that's like you taught twenty one beautiful
• 37:56
  Speaker 7: rights always Yeah, missoo at twenty two to twenty five,
• 38:00
  Speaker 7: one thousand, so for what reason? We don't know? I
• 38:02
  Speaker 7: mean Clemson twenty three was I was shocked they were
• 38:04
  Speaker 7: top twenty five.
• 38:06
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I am too.
• 38:07
  Speaker 9: We talked about it the other day, Like they got Willhell,
• 38:09
  Speaker 9: who's a really good defensive end. They got Sammy Brown
• 38:12
  Speaker 9: at linebacker, but their offense, there's a lot of new
• 38:15
  Speaker 9: out there.
• 38:15
  Speaker 7: They got.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: To that point.
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: There's three teams in the top twenty five that went
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: seven and six last year. It's Clemson, Penn State, and LSU.
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: Now we understand why LSU would be high there, right,
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: because it's a complete wholesale change.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: Clemson is not, right, I said, And to.
• 38:31
  Speaker 9: Your point, how are you more of a wholesale change
• 38:33
  Speaker 9: than Clemson?
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: To exactly?
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: So three, seven and six, and I get it. They're
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: not being talked about a lot, so they're always last
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: year a team, a team or man.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: With nothing to lose. It's very dangerous.
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: I got it.
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: But like seven and six last year and you didn't
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: make changange. You didn't change anything, So that to me
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: is a shot.
• 38:51
  Speaker 7: Seven and six. And you got a quarterback named Christopher.
• 38:57
  Speaker 9: Or Tate spelled T I T.
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: Don't love that.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: Hey, it's one.
• 39:01
  Speaker 9: It's one letter away, Bud, it's T A I T.
• 39:04
  Speaker 7: Wow.
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: Not great look part in the middle. Mm hmm okay,
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: right where the body connects.
• 39:11
  Speaker 7: Mason jar.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: Uh Texas A and m at eight.
• 39:19
  Speaker 9: Way too low. Four starters on the offensive line gone
• 39:22
  Speaker 9: replace both your coordinators also promoted from within if I'm
• 39:25
  Speaker 9: not mistaken as as your oc like, that's that's a
• 39:29
  Speaker 9: tough look. And like Marcel reid l.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: S U killer.
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: Best player ever.
• 39:35
  Speaker 9: Go look at the ranked teams he played. Outside of that,
• 39:37
  Speaker 9: he's been good. He hasn't been at that level there.
• 39:39
  Speaker 9: There's been a little bit of inconsistency there. You lose
• 39:42
  Speaker 9: Casey conception, first round receiver, Mario Craver's back.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: Come on, sure, guys, Uh.
• 39:49
  Speaker 9: Okay, Conceptsio to sound it out. Mario Craver back. Though
• 39:54
  Speaker 9: he's a good receiver. But I just they lost that.
• 39:57
  Speaker 9: I mean, four starters on your offensive lines off with
• 39:59
  Speaker 9: the coordinator.
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: Change uhlandre Swick Texas Tech at number twelve, Yeah, your
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: feelings on that, because you were big on Texas Tech.
• 40:08
  Speaker 8: Last Tech they got sores feed.
• 40:12
  Speaker 10: Their backup quarterback last season, who I assume is going
• 40:15
  Speaker 10: to be the quarterback now was actually pretty good Hammond. Yeah.
• 40:18
  Speaker 7: No, Will Hammond their backup last year?
• 40:21
  Speaker 10: He transferred out Hammond, he was heard so they had
• 40:24
  Speaker 10: to bring up yes because it was Baron Morton.
• 40:28
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 40:28
  Speaker 10: And then Morton went down and then Hammond went down,
• 40:31
  Speaker 10: so they had like the.
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: Third string guy transferred. Yeah.
• 40:35
  Speaker 8: I think twelve is a little crazy, considering.
• 40:38
  Speaker 9: Like it's a little too hot.
• 40:40
  Speaker 10: I haven't looked at their schedule yet, so I'm unsure
• 40:43
  Speaker 10: like if it's easy or hard or whatever. But given
• 40:46
  Speaker 10: all the drama that they've had this off season, losing
• 40:50
  Speaker 10: who they thought was going to be their starting quarterback,
• 40:52
  Speaker 10: I think is a little it feels a little.
• 40:54
  Speaker 7: Yes, they don't have a single team in the top
• 40:56
  Speaker 7: twenty five on their.
• 40:57
  Speaker 11: On their well they might actually think about how good
• 41:02
  Speaker 11: are they here go It feels like maybe I would
• 41:06
  Speaker 11: put them like not at twelve.
• 41:08
  Speaker 8: I think I'd have them in the top twenty five,
• 41:10
  Speaker 8: but not at twelve.
• 41:11
  Speaker 7: Like three linebackers that are like ring to the top
• 41:13
  Speaker 7: ten and pff on.
• 41:15
  Speaker 9: I mean that's fine, but dude, they're there, they're front
• 41:18
  Speaker 9: seven on defense. Was their strength leave honor, David Bailey,
• 41:21
  Speaker 9: Romelo height, Jacob Rodriguez all gone from that defense. I
• 41:25
  Speaker 9: understand those guys might be highly rated. That's a lot
• 41:27
  Speaker 9: of production the strength of your team. Gonna give them
• 41:29
  Speaker 9: a little respect to because of what they did do.
• 41:32
  Speaker 9: But that's can't be what the overall decision. That's on
• 41:34
  Speaker 9: the high side of the window. I would have set
• 41:36
  Speaker 9: a window between like twelve and eighteen would have been
• 41:38
  Speaker 9: fair on the high side of it. But yeah, we'll
• 41:40
  Speaker 9: see how they But begin big twelve kind of week. Yeah,
• 41:45
  Speaker 9: all right, we're gonna go break.
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: We're gonna finish out this this hour here on off
• 41:48
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