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SPIEF, Bezrukov, Ritter, Rubio & the War Machine Behind the Multipolar World · International Flavor: Where the Truth Tastes Better

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  Hello, good morning.
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  Welcome.
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  I am Samuel Trapp.
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  This is International Flavor.
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  You are listening to Dem Radio.
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  Dem, glad to have you.
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  Life is pretty good.
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  We got a little bit of entertainment for
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  you.
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  Let's call it this morning.
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  Whilst we wind down from last weekend's speech,
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  SPIEF, St. Petersburg International Economic Forum and some
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  of the events therein, last couple of days
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  I've brought to you the Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin
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  discussions on the state of the world going
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  forward, at least in his view.
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  Brought to you the Green Goblins ravings and
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  letters he sent to, an open letter he
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  sent to Putin and how Putin responded there
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  too in an open forum.
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  The massive, okay, so the state of the
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  war is changing.
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  I've seen various incendiary reports.
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  I'm sorry, there's so many wars on the
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  planet, we've got to identify which one we're
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  talking about.
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  The war in Ukraine, we are speaking of
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  here.
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  And the, I mean, you better settle in
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  because this war isn't going anywhere.
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  I mean, it's just not going to go
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  anywhere.
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  This war is going to be around a
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  good long time.
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  So you better get used to it.
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  And what they're trying to do in the
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  European side of the event is try to,
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  you know, stretch it on into other locations.
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  So the, you know, for example, and I'm
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  not going to review them today or go
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  too far into it, but the discussion of
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  the Armenian elections and the fraud, I
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  mean, the night before the election, the guy
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  that has been in charge of the country,
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  Pashinyan, has all of the, not all, but
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  most of them arrested.
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  Six people arrested, taken into custody, his opponents.
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  Everybody's getting arrested.
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  And so, yeah, that's a real, that's a
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  real, I don't know what, that's democracy for
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  you, right?
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  It's democracy Ukrainian style is what that is.
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  Moldovan style, that's NATO style elections are what
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  it is.
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  We've had some discussions about the old green
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  goblin being deprived of his white eagle designation
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  from Poland, because according to Tusk, there's two
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  different leaders.
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  One's prime minister, the other is president.
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  And one of them's for, one of them's
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  against.
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  And they want to take away the white
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  eagle because this past Wednesday, Zelensky again worshipped
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  and designated a new unit in the name
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  of Stepan Bandera, a Nazi.
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  You know, the Polish are very upset about
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  this.
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  It was only last year that Ukraine finally
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  allowed them to start digging up the graves
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  of the massacred 100 to 120,000 women
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  and children that were Polish, that were slaughtered
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  by Ukrainian nationalist Bandera and his Nazi followers.
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  So, you know, these things have been going
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  on for centuries, decades, the hatred among the
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  people there.
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  The current hatred is Russia.
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  You know, they all hate Russia, but they
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  hate each other just as much.
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  It's just to put it aside mostly for
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  this, but now they're not because once again,
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  the Ukrainians are out there glorifying Bandera and
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  his followers and Zelensky has done it and
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  Tusk and company are saying, you know, Tusk
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  is okay with it, but the other guy,
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  I forget his name.
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  I'll have to look it up, see what
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  it is.
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  And I really wasn't going to go into
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  that too far today anyway.
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  And you know, when I'm not speaking about
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  these topics, I'm generally listening to them.
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  And so it's kind of some, and I
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  don't mean to laugh about it, but Jesus,
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  it's on the international side, this has all
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  been quite the debacle.
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  Okay.
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  And so what I thought I would do
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  today is wrap up what I wanted to
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  talk about, because there were other people that
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  spoke at this St. Petersburg International Economic Forum,
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  more than just world leaders and Scott Ritter
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  and stuff like that.
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  I want to go a little bit into
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  his words today, because like I told you,
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  he told me the whole story when I
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  interviewed him, you know, whatever that was last
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  fall, last August, I can't remember, when I
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  interviewed Scott.
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  And I asked him specifically about, because my
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  focus in life is about government overreach, you
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  know, I detest government seizing power they don't
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  have, or targeting individuals.
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  I've always hated that.
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  Drives me freaking crazy to have government workers
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  do it.
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  I wrote an article last night, well, last
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  night, I published it last night, but I
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  wrote it over the last several days.
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  And you should go out to, you can
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  go out to civicoutlaws.com and go to,
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  let's see if I can find it for
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  you, and get the exact, I put it
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  on the Facebook page for Civic Outlaws too,
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  and I'm probably going to share most of
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  it on Friday on the Civic Outlaws podcast,
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  but if you go to Civic Outlaws, you
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  can download the article that I wrote yesterday.
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  And if you go to the blog, you
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  can find when, let's see, where is it?
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  What in the wide world of sports is
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  going on here?
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  Let's see.
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  I don't think your page is opening up
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  here enough.
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  Where are we?
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  Hello, how's the family?
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  I also put the podcast out for last
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  week on Civic Outlaws blog.
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  Here we go.
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  Yes, there it is.
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  It comes up as regulation by threat letter
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  and targeted enforcement.
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  I put it out 15 hours ago.
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  I've got a good number of people reviewed
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  that thing and read it, and I think
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  you should go out and read it.
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  You want to talk about government overreach, go
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  there.
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  So I don't like government overreach.
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  I'm very much against government overreach, and I
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  talk about it all the time.
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  And Scott Ritter was definitely subject to it.
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  He was flying over to the International Economic
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  Forum in St. Petersburg, was going to give
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  a speech there for his first time in
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  2024.
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  And he got his passport stolen from him,
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  basically, by the Department of Homeland Security.
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  Came onto the plane, took him off the
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  plane, took his passport, and just took it.
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  And no reason, he just took it.
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  And I interviewed him later, and then later
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  the FBI raided his house several months later.
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  And maybe it was because the economic forums
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  in May, it was in August that they
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  raided his house.
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  And he told me all about it on
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  my show back in whenever I interviewed him
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  last year.
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  And he had just gotten his passport back
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  last year, and he immediately took a trip
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  to Russia.
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  And then he went to the St. Petersburg
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  Economic Forum this year, and he spoke for
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  10, 15 minutes.
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  So I'm going to tell you a little
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  bit about that today.
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  I already told you about, on the backdrop
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  of St. Petersburg International Economic Forum, what Maria
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  Zakharova spoke about yesterday.
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  I went through the names of the children
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  destroyed by Ukrainian drones in St. Petersburg and
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  talked about the incongruence and the flat-out
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  lies and propaganda about Bucha in 2022 in
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  the West.
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  And BBC, CNN types just created a narrative
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  that is completely false with zero evidence of
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  any kind except somebody alleged it.
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  And the Russians have plenty to say about
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  it, but nobody ever listens to them.
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  And then when something very horrific occurs, like
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  the bombing of a pedagogical university to train
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  teachers, and it buries, you know, or kills
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  21 and injured quite a few, you know,
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  30-something or something.
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  There's a total of 86 people in the
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  building at the time it was bombed, sleeping,
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  middle of the night, and a triple tap
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  of that, two taps when it, you know,
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  it collapsed.
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  They did it again.
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  There were several waves of it.
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  And she spoke about it yesterday.
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  So we went about that through the backdrop.
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  And those were the politically challenged moments of
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  the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum.
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  And very interesting in Russian-English.
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  I listened yesterday to two native Russian-speaking
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  people on an English channel.
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  And I listened to her, and I talk
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  about her reasonably often.
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  I think it's Lena Petrova.
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  And Lena Petrova, I watched a show with
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  her, and a, what is his name?
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  And a professor, also a Russian, named, where
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  is he?
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  I'm going to find it for you.
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  That channel is World Affairs in Context.
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  And the doctor, it's Dr. Vladimir Brovkin.
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  And I believe he's a retired professor.
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  And both of them are native Russian speakers,
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  but they're given this in an English context.
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  Her show, Lena Petrova, is World Affairs in
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  Context.
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  I watch it all the time.
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  And, well, not all the time.
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  But, you know, she's on my list of
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  people that I try to get to once
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  or twice a week.
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  And she's also, I think she has some
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  sort of finance degree or something.
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  So, she talks about the world from the
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  financial point of view as well.
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  And she, it's a pretty good show.
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  So, if you, and she's very knowledgeable.
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  And they were interviewing each other talking about
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  Putin's strategy post St. Petersburg.
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  And so, I was interested to see what
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  other people thought after I put some of
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  my own thoughts out there.
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  So, I listened to Dr. Vladimir Brovkin.
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  Sent him an email afterward.
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  Told him I'd like to speak with him
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  because the two of them, I don't know,
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  and this is maybe unfair, but I believe
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  that they got something a little bit on
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  the incorrect side with the analysis of what,
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  first of all, they had his wording.
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  I don't know that they listened actually to
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  his speech.
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  Because if they had, they'd have caught it
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  immediately on the Russian side of what they
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  said.
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  Because what Brovkin said was, is that Vladimir
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  Vladimirovich actually used the words, which is totally
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  different than the and plus it has a
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  different cultural connotation.
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  And so, I kind of argue with him
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  on what they put as the connotation of
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  what it is.
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  And I think it's because they no longer
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  follow Russian culture.
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  Don't seem to, or if they had, they
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  would know where the cultural reference really was
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  in here.
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  Because they talked about it and there was
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  another cultural thing that Dr. Brovkin said about
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  it.
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  And I'd really like to speak to him
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  about this.
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  Not from a critical point of view to
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  beat up on him about it, but to
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  make sure that I understand it.
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  They're the Russians, not me.
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  But I believe, I understand what they're saying.
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  What they said to me is the same
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  sort of twist that people are putting on
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  it.
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  A completely different focus on to where this
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  came from.
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  But isn't what Putin said.
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  He said, which is a totally different connotation.
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  Tavrishi are comrades.
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  You know, they're your comrades.
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  They're, you know, we're working, brothers work brothers.
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  And these are brothers.
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  And it's definitely a twist on the song,
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  which I'm going to play for you later
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  today, by Miss Martika.
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  And I'm going to play that for you
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  anyway.
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  And I hope to get with one of
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  them.
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  I sent them both emails to say, hey,
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  man, I want to make sure that I'm
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  not incorrect on this.
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  So, one of you please get back with
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  me.
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  But there's a girl named Sandra Mantica, who
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  sings a song called Zapadny Vyator, which means
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  Western Wind.
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  And the song starts, a pretty cool song.
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  And at least in my view.
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  Now, it's also quite patriotic and a little
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  bit on the beat up side.
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  You know, we're, it's basically, we're Russians.
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  We've had our, you know, people have hated
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  us for a long time.
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  And, you know, work, brothers, work, we're with
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  you, basically, is what they're saying.
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  And I think they either have never heard
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  that song, which you wouldn't if you hadn't
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  been in Russia.
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  But when I was in Russia several years
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  ago, after the start of the conflict in
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  2022, especially, that song was everywhere, as was
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  another one about sung by a young pop
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  star, Russian guy, blonde guy, decent looking guy,
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  all the chickies were falling over for this
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  kid, let me tell you.
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  And he's, he has another one about Russia.
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  And then there's another one by Tatyana Kurtukova,
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  that is a very patriotic Russian song.
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  And, and I've played a couple of those
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  on here.
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  I haven't played Western Winds, Zapadny Vyator, I
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  haven't played that on here, but I'm going
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  to.
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  And, and at the end, you'll hear Roboty
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  Ti Bratia, Roboty Ti Bratia, which they keep
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  talking about.
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  So that's what I think it comes from.
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  Now, I could be wrong.
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  I don't know.
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  You know, I don't, I watch, I watch
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  more Russian TV that I do.
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  American, that's for damn sure.
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  And I watch more news on the Russian
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  side than the American ones.
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  I gave up on our lying news programs
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  ages ago, except for the, you know, I
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  like to watch Independence, you know.
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  You know, I'll watch Tucker Carlson once in
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  a while, but I'm much more likely to
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  do what I do with the Russian stuff
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  is watch either like Solovyov, the Opinion Channel
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  that'll give me eight, nine guys that are
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  talking about the events of the day and
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  I get to pick and choose what I
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  like out of it.
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  Or sometimes I watch their version of 60
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  Minutes was pretty cool too.
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  And sometimes, but I'll also watch the Ukrainian
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  stuff.
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  That's more difficult for me because I gotta,
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  I gotta read it, but unless I'm watching
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  Aristovich or something, and then, then I'll go
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  through and watch all that.
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  Anyway, all this to say that the St.
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  Petersburg Economic Forum discussions have been very important
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  and, you know, not, you know, Russia's strategic
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  message from, from the St. Louis or St.
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  Petersburg Economic Forum or, or the Scott Ritter
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  part.
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  The message is the Ukraine war is the
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  front line, but the real struggle is economic.
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  You know, they're talking, it's kind of funny
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  because Russia is, it's, it's like, I really
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  do believe this.
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  And I've said this before, the war in
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  Ukraine is more of a, a bother than
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  it is a, a critical, you know, they
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  understand that they're into it.
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  The people and the leadership, they understand they're
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  in it and they're pot committed and they're
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  not going anywhere until it's over, that they
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  have to get through it.
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  Does that mean they're all happy about it?
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  Absolutely not.
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  You know, I'm going to find out when
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  I, when I get my passport back with
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  my new Russian visa in it, which was
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  a little bit of drama this time trying
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  to get.
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  And, you know, I, I, I, I had
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  dreams of going to St. Petersburg either for
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  the, for Christmas last year or for the
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  economic forum this year.
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  The, the Christmas didn't work out or the
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  well, new year's cause I don't want to
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  go over Christmas.
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  Well, they celebrate Christmas on the 7th of
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  January anyway.
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  So there's the reverse.
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  And so they, they, they celebrate the province
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  of Yonsk Christmas.
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  And so that's a little bit reverse from
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  us.
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  New year's comes first, then comes Christmas.
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  And the holiday period is basically the 1st
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  of January, the 15th of January.
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  Anyway I'm going to try to get that,
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  uh, this coming year because by God, I
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  want to go to St. Petersburg during Christmas.
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  Um, I don't know.
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  It's going to be fun.
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  I'm going to do it.
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  Before I get too old to freaking enjoy
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  it, I want to get over there and,
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  uh, and, and really go, go see it.
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  But as the, the speech was winding down
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  the, uh, economic forum, Ritter spoke, uh, the
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  guy that I follow named Andrei Bezrukov, uh,
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  spoke.
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  He was the guy that him and his
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  wife were spies here on the, on the
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  Western continents way back when.
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  And, uh, their children didn't even know they
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  were spies until they were in their 20s.
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  And, uh, their kids were born in Canada.
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  I think one of them's still a Canadian
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  citizen.
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  The, uh, Bezrukov and his wife went back
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  to, to Russia and the, the children stayed
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  in Canada.
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  Um, so, uh, you know, but the framing
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  of this whole event has been, you know,
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  it's a hindrance that Ukraine is sending over
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  drones.
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  They really don't have anything else to do.
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  They're losing all up and down the front
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  lines.
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  There, there's a lot of people over here
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  trying to say that, oh, look, Russia, uh,
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  I, uh, Ukraine is kicking the crap out
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  of Russia.
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  Now they're able to send drones everywhere.
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  Well, the, the, the state of warfare is
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  changing.
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  State of warfare is definitely changing.
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  And, uh, uh, drones are definitely, uh, here
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  to stay.
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  You know, the, the Iranians are holding off
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  our, our, our fleet from coming in because
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  we, we don't want to be stood up
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  by several drones that you can't defend against.
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  You know, you just can't.
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  The Ukrainians are bombing Russian ships in the
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  Black Sea and vice versa.
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  The Europeans are talking about taking any, any
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  Russian ships in the Mediterranean now.
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  And if it wasn't for drones, that stuff
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  couldn't happen.
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  Even if they're being escorted, China's talking escort,
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  having their Navy escort their, uh, merchant Marine
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  vessels, uh, because of all of these things
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  that are going on.
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  So are a lot of other people.
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  The war is getting, or the world is
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  getting more, uh, war-like and not less,
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  and that's depressing.
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  But the framework from Russia is it's all
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  about economics.
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  So when we talk about the other people
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  that were speaking, I'm going to tell you
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  a little bit about, uh, I already told
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  you the, the real political stuff, but now
• 19:45
  the economic stuff coming from Bezrukov, coming from
• 19:49
  people like Scott Ritter, who got to make
• 19:51
  it this year.
• 19:52
  And, uh, uh, there was also, uh, Candace
• 19:54
  Owens gave a speech over there.
• 19:55
  I haven't had a chance to watch it
• 19:57
  yet, but, uh, I was going to, but
• 19:59
  she's a little too political for me, uh,
• 20:01
  on the Western side.
• 20:02
  And I don't, I don't, how do I
• 20:06
  want to say it?
• 20:06
  I worry a little bit about the credibility
• 20:08
  of her anymore.
• 20:10
  Um, where I don't want somebody like, I
• 20:13
  don't know, Tucker Carlson, something like that.
• 20:15
  I don't really, uh, complain about it all
• 20:18
  much or anything.
• 20:19
  You know what I mean?
• 20:21
  But, uh, Andrei Bezrukov, I talked about him
• 20:23
  last year.
• 20:24
  He gave a big, uh, appearance at the
• 20:26
  International Economic Forum too.
• 20:28
  And, uh, this is the guy who is
• 20:30
  the former Russian intelligence officer, and he lived
• 20:33
  in the West under the name Donald Heathfield.
• 20:36
  And his wife, her name is Yelena Vavilova,
• 20:39
  and she used the identity Tracy Foley.
• 20:43
  They were part of the program.
• 20:44
  If you watch the illegals program that came
• 20:46
  up, they were arrested in 2010 in the
• 20:49
  West.
• 20:50
  And then they were exchanged in a spy
• 20:52
  swap with Russia and American spies.
• 20:55
  Uh, say the two were, their two sons
• 20:57
  were born in Canada, raised in the West,
• 21:01
  didn't even know their parents were Russian intelligence
• 21:04
  officers.
• 21:05
  So, uh, Bezrukov isn't talking from an academic
• 21:08
  only point of view.
• 21:10
  He lived in the Western system for 10,
• 21:12
  20 years.
• 21:13
  I don't remember the exact amount, but his
• 21:15
  kids were nearly 20 by the time it
• 21:17
  happened.
• 21:17
  And they were in college and he didn't
• 21:19
  know.
• 21:19
  So he raised a family over here.
• 21:22
  He now speaks in Russia about how states
• 21:24
  survive the next technological cycles, whether somebody admires
• 21:28
  him or distrusts him.
• 21:30
  You got to admit he's not guessing about
• 21:32
  what he's talking about.
• 21:34
  I believe he gets it.
• 21:35
  He's describing a system than which he lived.
• 21:38
  And so, you know, uh, his central argument
• 21:43
  isn't about Ukraine really.
• 21:45
  It's about, and just kind of like last
• 21:47
  year, only this one seems a little bit
• 21:49
  more toned down or a little bit more
• 21:51
  realistic than the one I watched last year.
• 21:53
  This is about the next 10 to 20
• 21:55
  years of world power.
• 21:57
  Okay.
• 21:57
  And what he claims is that the world
• 21:59
  is entering a new technological cycle comparable to
• 22:03
  the early 20th century, which he went into
• 22:06
  a bit last year.
• 22:07
  Okay.
• 22:07
  Radio, aircraft, internal combustion engines, mass industry.
• 22:11
  Now AI, genetics, data, space infrastructure, autonomous systems,
• 22:18
  new digital platforms, new infrastructure projects, stuff like
• 22:22
  that.
• 22:23
  So every major technological transition produces two consequences.
• 22:29
  First, it redistributes world power like world war
• 22:33
  one and world war two.
• 22:34
  He argues were a definite result of this,
• 22:36
  uh, of the transitions that happened then in
• 22:39
  the U S England, other allies trying to
• 22:42
  keep Germany from advancing, uh, faster than anybody
• 22:45
  else.
• 22:46
  Cause they certainly were in there.
• 22:47
  And, uh, so that was the big world
• 22:50
  war.
• 22:50
  Then now the U S is trying to
• 22:52
  keep down Russia, China, India, you know, those
• 22:55
  people, the bricks nations, you know, it's what
• 22:58
  I say.
• 22:59
  So, uh, in his view, these, these, uh,
• 23:01
  consequences are first to redistribution of power and
• 23:04
  second, a new type of society.
• 23:08
  So, and what he's saying is right now,
• 23:11
  the struggle is between two chief rivals, the
• 23:15
  United States and China.
• 23:17
  Uh, and he equates it to the earlier
• 23:20
  powers against Germany last century, right?
• 23:24
  And what he, what his key term is
• 23:27
  in this analysis, something he calls a techno
• 23:30
  economic block.
• 23:31
  He says the world is no longer one
• 23:35
  global system.
• 23:37
  There's no longer a Bretton woods, only a
• 23:43
  U S dollar only scenario.
• 23:46
  And he, there's no longer one big globalized,
• 23:50
  one size fits all pattern.
• 23:53
  It's a large macro regions with their own
• 23:56
  resources, their own financial systems, their own technological
• 24:00
  platforms, standards, and protected markets.
• 24:04
  And he names two blocks as the American
• 24:07
  and Chinese blocks that the confrontation is right
• 24:10
  now, America, China, right?
• 24:14
  So the Tik TOK example is one of
• 24:16
  them.
• 24:17
  The Huawei example is another, the, uh, member
• 24:21
  member, a couple of years ago, they had
• 24:23
  a, uh, a hot air balloon that went
• 24:26
  over the United States for a day or
• 24:29
  two and nothing ever happened to it.
• 24:31
  It was during Biden and, and it, and
• 24:33
  it went over, nobody did anything about it.
• 24:34
  And, uh, uh, you know, these type of,
• 24:37
  of, uh, of disputes are really just testing
• 24:42
  the boundaries, right?
• 24:43
  But the U S doesn't trust Chinese technology
• 24:47
  and vice versa.
• 24:49
  And they're no, they're not sharing a damn
• 24:51
  thing.
• 24:51
  And China is catching up.
• 24:54
  If they haven't already surpassed what we can
• 24:57
  do here.
• 24:57
  Right.
• 24:58
  And so he, he talked about that and
• 25:00
  he said, Tik TOK, wasn't just a social
• 25:03
  media dispute.
• 25:04
  It's evidence that technological platforms are now sovereign
• 25:08
  territory, just like Huawei, just like, you know,
• 25:12
  you want to argue about Huawei, Apple, Android,
• 25:15
  Tik TOK, any platform.
• 25:17
  Uh, what's the other one, the Chinese, um,
• 25:20
  um, AI deep seek versus, uh, uh, chat
• 25:25
  GPT or Grock or any of those.
• 25:27
  And there's plenty of them out there.
• 25:29
  Um, and the question isn't any longer, just
• 25:33
  who makes the phone.
• 25:34
  It is who's operating system, who's cloud, who's
• 25:38
  chip, who's payment structure, who's censorship rules, who's
• 25:42
  AI model, who's data pipeline and who's currency
• 25:46
  settlement layer.
• 25:48
  Is it going to be the one or
• 25:49
  is it going to be the dollar?
• 25:51
  So, and then more and more, it's becoming
• 25:52
  the one.
• 25:53
  I mean, that's gonna happen.
• 25:54
  So if, even if the devices are physically
• 25:57
  manufactured in China, the control layer may be
• 26:00
  American, Chinese, or eventually something else.
• 26:03
  And Bezruk of was warding his own population.
• 26:06
  He said that Russia cannot compete alone, having
• 26:09
  only 150 million person economy against the U
• 26:13
  S or China.
• 26:14
  He argued that Russia has to find a
• 26:16
  long-term technological and political partners and build
• 26:18
  a friendly technological space of a billion consumers
• 26:23
  with its own platforms and standards.
• 26:26
  It was very interesting speech.
• 26:28
  And he said, you know, the right now,
• 26:31
  what, uh, they're, they're strongly leaning toward the
• 26:34
  Chinese side.
• 26:35
  Although they want to take advantage of the
• 26:37
  fact that the U S is still, uh,
• 26:39
  at least on the Trump side and for
• 26:41
  crazy people like Samuel trapped that we still
• 26:44
  have so much in common.
• 26:46
  We have so much more in common with
• 26:48
  Russia than we do with Europe.
• 26:49
  It's not even funny, you know, I mean,
• 26:51
  as, as normal people, you know, uh, I
• 26:54
  don't mean as, as governments or anything like
• 26:56
  that, but as, as, as normal people, you
• 26:58
  know, normal citizens, we're far more similar than
• 27:02
  we are different.
• 27:03
  No doubt.
• 27:04
  You know, you don't have to believe me
• 27:05
  that if you want, but, but the third
• 27:08
  platform problem he talked about is this.
• 27:10
  He's saying that sovereignty now requires more than
• 27:13
  a flag and army oil and borders.
• 27:16
  It requires a platform and a sovereignty of
• 27:20
  your platform and a country that cannot control
• 27:23
  its data, its chips, its own cloud, its
• 27:26
  own AI tools, its payment systems, logistics, software,
• 27:29
  satellites, and communication infrastructure is not fully sovereign.
• 27:33
  One of the big pushes they're making in
• 27:35
  Russia right now is to get their own,
• 27:37
  uh, Elon Musk version of, uh, star link
• 27:40
  up and running.
• 27:41
  And they have, and they're, they, they have
• 27:43
  however many seven, 800 more, uh, uh, satellites
• 27:48
  to go up and be floating over the,
• 27:50
  uh, over the territories and connecting with other
• 27:52
  regional players.
• 27:54
  So that everybody, the world isn't stuck with
• 27:56
  only one, one producer that can turn it
• 27:59
  off in Ukraine, which is what, uh, you
• 28:03
  know, it's, I disagree with this, um, with
• 28:07
  the structure of what Elon Musk is picking
• 28:10
  sides between Ukraine and Russia.
• 28:14
  So one guy gets to pick and choose
• 28:17
  whether or not, uh, technology exists for one
• 28:22
  side and not the other.
• 28:24
  So Russia, they, they don't want to be,
• 28:26
  can, you know, uh, be holding to Elon
• 28:29
  Musk or anybody else.
• 28:31
  So the, this is what Bezrukov is talking
• 28:33
  about.
• 28:34
  You know, we need to have our own
• 28:35
  sovereign platforms.
• 28:37
  And it's pretty sad that the entire world
• 28:40
  has to go out.
• 28:41
  You know, Iran is putting their own satellites
• 28:42
  up, you know, they don't want to be
• 28:45
  stuck having to, you know, kiss the ass
• 28:48
  of, uh, uh, Elon Musk to, to get
• 28:50
  something.
• 28:51
  So, I mean, the point about propaganda and
• 28:55
  economic warfare is very well taken because the
• 29:00
  fight over Tik TOK, while we Apple, the
• 29:03
  others in digital platforms, isn't just security theater.
• 29:06
  It's a surface of a deep question who
• 29:09
  gets to control it, shape the algorithm, cut
• 29:12
  off the service, freeze the money, or rewrite
• 29:16
  the rules.
• 29:17
  In the old world, an empire meant controlling
• 29:19
  the sea, the ports, the oil, the banks,
• 29:23
  and military bases.
• 29:24
  As it went over, it used to be
• 29:25
  in your colonial times.
• 29:27
  All you needed was a hundred guys with,
• 29:28
  uh, with, uh, bullets and guns against a
• 29:32
  crowd of guys with spears.
• 29:34
  Right.
• 29:35
  And, uh, you know, you could control all
• 29:37
  of India or Africa.
• 29:40
  And that's what we did.
• 29:41
  Uh, well, we England, all, all of the
• 29:44
  colonials, all of our, uh, you know, white
• 29:47
  European ancestors that that's we're controlling the riffraff
• 29:52
  down below.
• 29:53
  Right.
• 29:53
  At least in their minds, uh, the riffraff
• 29:56
  are now fighting back is what it seems
• 29:58
  like to me.
• 29:59
  So bed's the root of the argument is
• 30:01
  that the Russia has to avoid being trapped
• 30:03
  as a resource appendage to any power, whether
• 30:07
  it's us, China, anybody else, it's a more
• 30:09
  subtle point than Russia and China or allies.
• 30:12
  He is saying that Russia should simply shouldn't,
• 30:16
  you know, should become should, shouldn't depend on
• 30:19
  how you look at it.
• 30:20
  China's junior technology partner.
• 30:22
  He says they need to have a coalition
• 30:24
  of countries that share the same problem too
• 30:27
  large to be colonies, but too small to
• 30:31
  individually fight the U S or China.
• 30:34
  So he names partners like India, Iran, Indonesia,
• 30:39
  and other, by the way, bricks States with
• 30:42
  similar national interests and insufficient critical mass on
• 30:46
  their own.
• 30:47
  This makes India, especially important for bricks, right.
• 30:51
  And India is, you know, India is playing
• 30:54
  all sides against the middle and, uh, uh,
• 30:56
  it's, uh, it's a good thing.
• 30:58
  So his interesting technical point was not geopolitics.
• 31:02
  It's the method.
• 31:03
  He said that strategic planning cannot be done
• 31:06
  with us as a paper plan because the
• 31:09
  world changes faster than bureaucracy can even write
• 31:12
  the reports these days.
• 31:14
  So he proposes a living system.
• 31:16
  Get this.
• 31:17
  This is, this was very interesting assisted by
• 31:20
  AI to translate the flow of information into
• 31:24
  a common methodological format.
• 31:28
  The structure is this goals, influence factors and
• 31:32
  events, events become the basic data unit who,
• 31:36
  what, where, when, why, by what means with
• 31:38
  whom at what cost and with what result
• 31:40
  that's legal strategy and intelligent style news analysis,
• 31:49
  where you're analyzing facts as they really exist.
• 31:53
  Not as I hope to get to the
• 31:55
  Marco Rubio segment.
• 31:57
  That guy's a flat out liar.
• 31:59
  You know, in my humble opinion, well, no,
• 32:02
  let's put it this way.
• 32:02
  They, and they do this all the time.
• 32:05
  They create a foundation and they work from
• 32:08
  a foundation.
• 32:09
  Uh, so in, in the practice of law,
• 32:11
  uh, you get to object, right?
• 32:14
  You get to object.
• 32:15
  So there you are sitting there and somebody
• 32:17
  makes an allegation while they're sitting on there
• 32:20
  and the other lawyer objects.
• 32:21
  He goes, wait a minute.
• 32:22
  I object.
• 32:23
  There's no foundation for that.
• 32:25
  Meaning nobody has ever said that before.
• 32:28
  There's no proof of that basic fact.
• 32:31
  And Marco Rubio's never cross-examined.
• 32:34
  There are people talking to him and they
• 32:36
  were rolling their eyes at him on his
• 32:38
  budget thing last week.
• 32:39
  And I hope to get to that because
• 32:40
  it was freaking comical.
• 32:42
  And I might have to drag into it
• 32:44
  tomorrow because I'm going to get through with
• 32:45
  this, uh, Bezrukov and Scott Ritter.
• 32:48
  Then I'm going to play Zapadni Vitor for
• 32:50
  you, whether you like it or not.
• 32:51
  And, uh, that's the way it's going to
• 32:54
  go.
• 32:54
  And so, uh, at any rate, the, the
• 32:58
  argument of Bezrukov is, uh, that this AI
• 33:03
  and strategic planning has to take the proper
• 33:09
  direction from real facts, not propaganda.
• 33:12
  And so you got to have the proper
• 33:13
  basis for what you believe.
• 33:15
  And the trouble is, is people create their
• 33:17
  own facts.
• 33:19
  You aren't even, you aren't even tied to
• 33:22
  the facts anymore.
• 33:23
  You're tied to some AI generated BS or
• 33:27
  some propaganda line that somebody throws out.
• 33:30
  And so he was talking about that.
• 33:32
  And he talks about what he called preemptive
• 33:34
  governance.
• 33:36
  If the event map shows that one scenario
• 33:39
  leads to a dead end by AI he's
• 33:42
  talking about, then leadership can change course before
• 33:45
  reaching a crisis.
• 33:47
  And he calls that, um, well, which is
• 33:54
  basically anticipated or preemptive management management before the
• 33:59
  event occurs.
• 34:01
  So you can see the AI is going
• 34:04
  to help you identify upcoming, upcoming issues, if
• 34:08
  that makes sense.
• 34:09
  And so it was, it was pretty damn
• 34:10
  cool.
• 34:11
  So the, the, the best way to say
• 34:13
  that it, you know, you're, he says there
• 34:15
  has to be methods to do this on
• 34:17
  the state level that, that the, and he,
• 34:20
  and he was talking to a generally younger,
• 34:22
  uh, younger audience and he was going, look,
• 34:26
  you guys think 10 times differently than we
• 34:28
  ever thought at our age.
• 34:30
  You know, we, we were, you know, we
• 34:33
  knew you think differently, you think faster, you
• 34:35
  think, uh, you know, you're way, way ahead
• 34:38
  of where we were at your age basically.
• 34:40
  And his said that this, uh, the model,
• 34:44
  you have to make sure that the models
• 34:47
  are there.
• 34:48
  And when you hold state offices or you
• 34:50
  hold corporate positions or you're running companies later,
• 34:53
  you're going to have things available to you
• 34:56
  at an instance, uh, an instance, uh, timeframe
• 35:01
  where that didn't exist for us.
• 35:03
  We had much longer thought processes.
• 35:06
  If you can't move fast now, whether you're
• 35:09
  a government or an organization, you're, you're, you're
• 35:12
  going to fail.
• 35:12
  And that's an important part of the echo
• 35:14
  economic forum discussion.
• 35:17
  And so you could talk about, you know,
• 35:19
  if a state's going to do that, you
• 35:21
  know, building a billion person technological block is
• 35:24
  easier to say than do.
• 35:26
  There's disputes all over the planet, India, Iran,
• 35:29
  Indonesia, Turkey, Brazil, and others may all want
• 35:32
  to be autonomous from the U S and
• 35:34
  China, but they don't all want the same
• 35:36
  standard payment system, legal architecture, data rule of
• 35:41
  either party.
• 35:43
  I see a fracturing more than I see
• 35:45
  a hegemon, hegemonic, uh, result these days.
• 35:48
  And I believe he does too.
• 35:50
  So I don't know.
• 35:52
  Bezrak Rukov is not talking about new apps.
• 35:55
  He's talking about a realistic sovereignty.
• 35:58
  Tick tock.
• 36:00
  Isn't just a video platform.
• 36:02
  While we, isn't just a telecom equipment, Apple
• 36:04
  and Android, aren't just consumer ecosystems, they're civilizational
• 36:08
  gateways.
• 36:09
  And whoever controls the gateway controls the traffic,
• 36:13
  the data, the rules and the political pressure
• 36:16
  points.
• 36:17
  So there you have it.
• 36:19
  Now, the only reason I added the, the
• 36:23
  broken in Lena Petrova contrast is because when
• 36:26
  Dr. Vladimir Brovkin was, was speaking with Lena
• 36:29
  yesterday.
• 36:31
  Well, I don't know if it was yesterday.
• 36:32
  I watched yesterday, but it was after the,
• 36:34
  the, the, uh, speech ended two, three days
• 36:38
  ago.
• 36:38
  And, uh, uh, so everybody's been posting about
• 36:41
  it ever since then.
• 36:42
  So it was mainly over the weekend, Thursday,
• 36:44
  Friday, Saturday, something like that, or the days.
• 36:46
  And, uh, you know, Putin was, was talking
• 36:51
  about the multi-polar order.
• 36:52
  He always talks about the multi-polar order.
• 36:54
  I always talk about the multi-polar order.
• 36:57
  The one that is coming is no longer
• 36:59
  hegemony and only for the U S like
• 37:01
  Marco Rubio and company, which it was.
• 37:03
  And you can see, um, I am hoping
• 37:05
  to get to that part today.
• 37:07
  So, um, Brovkin's strategic explanation is Russia believes
• 37:14
  time according to him, Russia believes that time
• 37:19
  is working against the European leadership.
• 37:22
  And so he sees no benefit in handing
• 37:24
  Europe a propaganda victory.
• 37:27
  Right.
• 37:28
  But Brovkin is interpreting what Putin is thinking
• 37:31
  and that's dangerous.
• 37:33
  And whatever the Russia's internal calculus is, it's,
• 37:37
  it's still only commentary.
• 37:39
  Cause I tell you what, you don't necessarily
• 37:41
  know what, what, uh, Putin is thinking.
• 37:45
  Right.
• 37:46
  Um, but his, his most interesting geopolitical argument
• 37:49
  was that Putin still would like a limited
• 37:53
  deal with the United States, which I kind
• 37:56
  of saw in what Bezrukov was saying is
• 37:59
  that we don't want to piss off the,
• 38:01
  um, United States too much because we, we
• 38:08
  probably want to work with them, not because
• 38:10
  they trust Trump, but because Russia can benefit
• 38:14
  from exploiting the split between the U S
• 38:18
  and Europe.
• 38:20
  And the U S can serve as a
• 38:22
  counterweight to China because the Russians are dealing
• 38:26
  very, um, strategically with China right now.
• 38:31
  And, uh, they're, I mean, the growth is,
• 38:33
  I've been telling you about that for, for
• 38:36
  a while, you know, what's going on between
• 38:38
  the two and what he framed the future
• 38:41
  as Brovkin was a possible three Kings world,
• 38:45
  U S Russia, China, not Russia abandoning China,
• 38:49
  but Russia not wanting to become fully dependent
• 38:53
  upon China.
• 38:54
  And the fact is the U S and
• 38:57
  China are both many times larger than Russia
• 39:02
  economically, uh, as far as, uh, power, um,
• 39:08
  you know, militarily stuff like that.
• 39:11
  And, uh, certainly financially they are.
• 39:14
  And so the messaging, according to broken, well,
• 39:18
  you know, one of the strongest things that
• 39:20
  he talked about, isn't just the battlefield victory.
• 39:23
  It's about Russia's place in the non-Western
• 39:28
  order.
• 39:29
  They, they often talk about it about not,
• 39:32
  not anti-West, but non West, you know,
• 39:36
  and, uh, that he argues that bricks in
• 39:39
  the broader global South are central to Putin's
• 39:42
  discussion of Russia's role and that Ukraine is
• 39:46
  important domestically inside of Russia, but it's really
• 39:49
  not where Putin's not obsessed by Ukraine.
• 39:54
  Let's put it that way.
• 39:55
  It's a, you know, it's an irritant, but
• 39:58
  it's not, um, anything horrible.
• 40:02
  Um, Putin is, you know, according to broken
• 40:07
  Putin is a restrained leader because he believes
• 40:09
  Europe is already politically decaying.
• 40:13
  And that if he ever in true Putin's
• 40:15
  never going to attack Europe, he won't do
• 40:17
  it.
• 40:18
  You know, I've been, and this guy broken
• 40:20
  said the same thing.
• 40:21
  He said that he won't do it because
• 40:23
  that would create the very narrative that Europe
• 40:25
  has been spouting off for a self-fulfilling
• 40:28
  its own prophecies.
• 40:29
  That's why they're doing it.
• 40:31
  That's why they keep provoking and they keep
• 40:34
  provoking.
• 40:35
  They've got to, uh, respond.
• 40:38
  Right.
• 40:40
  Um, you know, going to the Scott Ritter,
• 40:44
  um, appearance and it was fairly short.
• 40:47
  I mean, his speech was only like 12
• 40:49
  minutes or something and everybody else's was, you
• 40:52
  know, 20 to 30 and his was pretty
• 40:55
  damn short.
• 40:55
  And, uh, uh, he, he was pretty dramatic.
• 41:00
  He came up with easy.
• 41:02
  I forget what he, what he labeled, uh,
• 41:05
  uh, Europe as, but, uh, they, they, I'll
• 41:09
  get to it.
• 41:10
  I have it written down here in my,
• 41:12
  uh, in my notes of what he called
• 41:15
  them.
• 41:16
  Basically, you know, they're, they're out there on
• 41:22
  their, they're on the loony bin side of
• 41:24
  the planet basically.
• 41:26
  And he didn't say it that way, but,
• 41:27
  uh, uh, basically, uh, he talked about his
• 41:30
  personal experiences, um, more involved than mine, but
• 41:35
  I did the interpreting side of the same
• 41:37
  arms control things to Scott Ritter did in
• 41:40
  the same agency.
• 41:41
  Only I interpreted for them.
• 41:43
  And, uh, he was gone at the end
• 41:46
  of the INF treaty.
• 41:47
  He worked in the same building I did
• 41:49
  in Washington, DC.
• 41:51
  And, uh, but I was, I was on
• 41:53
  the, or in the building that was, uh,
• 41:56
  for escort division, which were, we, we were
• 41:59
  mainly inside the U S and only went,
• 42:03
  you know, several times a year to the
• 42:05
  Russian side on the inspection side, you know,
• 42:08
  they'd pick us up for whatever.
• 42:09
  If you had a particular, uh, um, a
• 42:14
  commander of a team that liked you as
• 42:16
  his interpreter or whatever, he drag you along
• 42:18
  to Russia.
• 42:19
  And that happened to me several times, you
• 42:20
  know, and, uh, but, uh, I did a
• 42:22
  lot more on the INF inside the U
• 42:25
  S going to inspections and going to, uh,
• 42:29
  eliminations of, uh, of our Pershing twos.
• 42:33
  And, uh, then I did have gone to
• 42:35
  Russia and taken out the SS twenties.
• 42:37
  And on the nuclear side, I was an
• 42:40
  escort on our Nevada nuclear test site and
• 42:42
  escorted, uh, Russian nuclear scientists on our nuclear
• 42:46
  test sites for the final, um, several nuclear
• 42:52
  underground explosion testing, which they were allowed to
• 42:56
  monitor under nuclear threshold test band treaty.
• 42:59
  And so his strongest contribution is his own
• 43:02
  personal experience with arms control with the INF
• 43:06
  treaty with Iraq.
• 43:07
  He did, he was in the weapons of
• 43:09
  mass destruction, uh, nonsense and didn't believe it.
• 43:13
  He has similar, uh, uh, thoughts, uh, as
• 43:18
  me on the seriousness of the U S
• 43:20
  and arms control failures of the nineties.
• 43:24
  And the INF treaty represented a moment when
• 43:27
  U S European and Soviet interest converged around
• 43:31
  survival and Iraq showed how disarmament meant could
• 43:36
  be corrupted into regime change policies.
• 43:40
  He's against regime changes around the world as
• 43:42
  am I.
• 43:43
  Okay.
• 43:44
  Um, it's, you know, preventive diplomacy fails because
• 43:48
  arms control stopped being a mutual of mutual
• 43:52
  benefit to the parties.
• 43:53
  And now it's just an instrument of power.
• 43:57
  Um, he, he still says, as do I
• 44:00
  nuclear wars cannot be one limited nuclear war
• 44:04
  theories are definitely dangerous and nuclear weapons are
• 44:07
  used.
• 44:07
  Uh, once they're used escalation is not going
• 44:10
  to stop.
• 44:10
  And I'm afraid, I mean, truthfully, I'm afraid
• 44:12
  of that right now, but he does reject
• 44:14
  the idea that one can trade one city
• 44:17
  for another in any sort of controlled nuclear
• 44:20
  exchange.
• 44:20
  And what about the people that live there?
• 44:22
  You know, cause they're leaders or idiots and
• 44:25
  assholes, pardon my French, but, uh, uh, you
• 44:28
  know, I like it when he talks in
• 44:32
  that sort of language, because it's very much
• 44:35
  along the, the ways that I took, but
• 44:37
  whether it was because, and he has good
• 44:39
  reason to feel this way, by the way,
• 44:41
  because all of the things that occurred to
• 44:44
  him and all the stupidity of the European
• 44:47
  union and the fact that the elitists and
• 44:51
  the globalists didn't want him to say anything
• 44:55
  at these economic forums a couple of years
• 44:57
  ago, I understand why he went as off
• 45:02
  the rails as he did.
• 45:04
  Well, you could call it off the rails,
• 45:05
  but he, he called the Europeans rabid dogs,
• 45:09
  you know, strategically.
• 45:11
  I think that was a little bit sloppy
• 45:13
  to, to, to put that out there.
• 45:15
  He said, Europe is a rabid dog that
• 45:18
  needs to be shot.
• 45:22
  I mean, it's great.
• 45:23
  I love it, but I kind of take
• 45:25
  it along the same lines as I take
• 45:27
  a lot of the Trump rhetoric.
• 45:28
  It's probably not something you should say on
• 45:31
  the world stage, but especially while you're calling
• 45:35
  for disarmament and diplomacy, you can't say, well,
• 45:40
  you know, let's return to diplomacy.
• 45:41
  You bunch of rabid dogs that need to
• 45:43
  be shot.
• 45:44
  Somehow they don't all go together.
• 45:45
  You know what I mean?
• 45:46
  So, but I certainly get it.
• 45:49
  You know, he is his anger and the
• 45:51
  fat and what the U S has done
• 45:53
  to him personally is, you know, I get
• 45:56
  it, especially because I know what the state
• 45:58
  of Missouri did to me personally.
• 46:00
  And it's BS too.
• 46:01
  What they did to Ritter is bullshit.
• 46:03
  Pardon my French.
• 46:04
  And what they did to me is bullshit
• 46:06
  in the state of Missouri.
• 46:07
  And it's not right.
• 46:09
  And it wasn't what happened to him.
• 46:11
  And I, I don't, I don't mean to
• 46:14
  over attack him, but it's hard for people
• 46:17
  like us sometimes that have been targeted.
• 46:19
  The people who really are targeted.
• 46:22
  Remember, just because you're not paranoid doesn't mean
• 46:24
  they aren't out to get you because they
• 46:26
  are you go and you work with the
• 46:29
  state.
• 46:29
  This is the BS of it all.
• 46:31
  Like, like I've talked about for the last
• 46:33
  few weeks on my civic outlaws channel, and
• 46:36
  you should follow up this Friday because we've
• 46:39
  got some, some potential big news going on
• 46:42
  in there.
• 46:42
  And if you get a chance, go out
• 46:43
  the civic outlaws and read the article I
• 46:45
  posted the other day, because you can see
• 46:47
  exactly what Catherine Hannaway and, and Kristen Templeton
• 46:52
  are doing today.
• 46:54
  I mean, it's nonsense.
• 46:55
  And this is what Americans, if there's a
• 47:01
  reason I support Donald Trump domestically, it's because
• 47:06
  he's targeted too by the government.
• 47:09
  They use the government as a weapon to
• 47:11
  destroy people.
• 47:13
  And that's not what the government is for.
• 47:15
  It's not to destroy your political enemies.
• 47:18
  It's supposed to be an administrative thing that
• 47:21
  treats everybody the same, but that isn't what
• 47:23
  happens not remotely.
• 47:26
  And as soon as he's yay, who's get
• 47:28
  power, all they want is more power, whether
• 47:31
  it's Donald Trump or Marco Rubio, all the
• 47:34
  way down here to Catherine Hannaway, Kristen Templeton,
• 47:37
  and anybody else that is seizing power.
• 47:39
  It's just not right.
• 47:41
  And, and, you know, you can always say,
• 47:44
  well, it's not right.
• 47:45
  Well, of course they're going to do it.
• 47:47
  Well, yeah, of course they're going to do
• 47:49
  it.
• 47:49
  You know, that's what they do.
• 47:51
  It's what they live for.
• 47:53
  And so I don't know when you watch
• 47:55
  the government part of it and you watch
• 47:57
  how on the Russian side, your people like
• 48:01
  Bezrukov and your Ritter is still very positive
• 48:06
  about what Russia, China, BRICS, what all those,
• 48:10
  they're trying to create a different world order.
• 48:12
  He's anti this hegemony, you know, and a
• 48:14
  lot of the things that I am, there's
• 48:16
  plenty of possible, I mean, of positive things
• 48:20
  that, that he does talk about on the
• 48:22
  economic sides and it's frigging awesome.
• 48:25
  And, you know, it's the collapse of arms
• 48:30
  control has destroyed so many positive things that
• 48:37
  existed when I was a young man in
• 48:39
  the same organization that Ritter was in.
• 48:43
  Then he went to the UN and he
• 48:45
  discovered the real horror story of what goes
• 48:48
  on.
• 48:49
  The more, the further up you go, the
• 48:52
  more corrupt it is.
• 48:54
  The more funded by one hand washes the
• 48:57
  other sort of a mentality where if you're
• 49:00
  connected, you get a couple of million dollar
• 49:02
  contracts and it's no big deal, you know,
• 49:05
  and you are, you know, in the in
• 49:08
  crowd.
• 49:09
  And so you're willing to look the other
• 49:11
  way because you are in the in crowd.
• 49:12
  When you're not on the in crowd, you're
• 49:14
  trying to fight to get into the in
• 49:15
  crowd.
• 49:16
  And once you get in the in crowd,
• 49:17
  you become one of the rabid dogs that
• 49:19
  he's talking about.
• 49:20
  But from the, from the other point of
• 49:22
  view, you sit on the outside and you
• 49:23
  snipe about it like, like we do.
• 49:26
  So I don't know.
• 49:27
  I'm, I tell you what, the real message
• 49:30
  from Spieth is that the war in Ukraine
• 49:32
  is not the entire chessboard.
• 49:34
  The war matters, but the deeper contest is
• 49:37
  over technological sovereignty going forward, currency sovereignty, AI
• 49:43
  sovereignty and civilizational style platforms.
• 49:47
  Globally, Russia is trying to position itself not
• 49:51
  merely as an ally of China and not
• 49:53
  certainly as Europe's rejected energy suitor.
• 49:58
  You know, Europe's on their own.
• 49:59
  Russia says, screw you guys.
• 50:01
  Putin said, do you ever want to use
• 50:03
  Nord Stream?
• 50:03
  One of the pipelines still open.
• 50:05
  You ever want to do it?
• 50:06
  I'll flip it back on for you, but
• 50:07
  it ain't going to be, you know, on
• 50:09
  your terms.
• 50:10
  It'll be on mine.
• 50:11
  So have a nice day, you know, but
• 50:14
  it's the, I don't know.
• 50:17
  Let's, I like this platform.
• 50:21
  I think it was critical.
• 50:22
  It was one of the biggest things that
• 50:25
  came about.
• 50:26
  If the last century was about oil, tanks,
• 50:30
  aircraft, and nuclear weapons, the next one is
• 50:33
  about drones, chips, platforms, AI, satellites, payment systems,
• 50:39
  and the ability to forecast events before they
• 50:42
  become crises.
• 50:44
  Imagine if Trump and Rubio actually knew that
• 50:51
  Iran had the capacity to shut the Straits
• 50:54
  of Hormuz.
• 50:54
  Would they have stopped Netanyahu?
• 50:56
  I doubt it because we're so arrogant that
• 50:59
  we never would.
• 51:00
  But imagine that AI said there's a 90
• 51:03
  % chance that they're going to shut down.
• 51:05
  Maybe you should really consider this because, you
• 51:09
  know, Rubio won't admit what he told the
• 51:11
  president.
• 51:12
  He doesn't want to.
• 51:13
  He won't do it.
• 51:14
  And so we'll get to him here a
• 51:16
  little bit, but I told you I was
• 51:17
  going to play this song that I believe
• 51:19
  is what Putin was talking about.
• 51:24
  And you'll hear it at the end where,
• 51:26
  well, several times in this song where she
• 51:29
  says, which is basically work brothers.
• 51:32
  And I'm telling you, the Russian people that
• 51:35
  are listening to this song are of the,
• 51:41
  they are, I don't want to say they're
• 51:42
  pro-war, but they're behind what's going on.
• 51:45
  And it's like, we don't have to think
• 51:47
  that there's anything else, you know, any option,
• 51:52
  any alternative that exists for them to fight
• 51:59
  about, you know.
• 52:01
  And so let's listen to this.
• 52:03
  This is called, this is Andromantica, and it's
• 52:06
  Zapaniveter, which means west wind.
• 52:09
  And it took me a little bit to
• 52:11
  find it.
• 52:13
  And I believe the song came out in
• 52:15
  like 2022, 2023, shortly after the war started.
• 52:19
  And it was, it was all over Russia
• 52:23
  when I was over there.
• 52:25
  You'd hear it in, you know, cars when
• 52:27
  you're in the, in the Yandex vehicles or
• 52:30
  whatever.
• 52:31
  And it was definitely on the, on the
• 52:35
  radio.
• 52:36
  So let's see what we got.
• 52:38
  And hopefully nobody's messed up to sound here.
• 52:41
  Here we go.
• 52:43
  So my belief is that that is what
• 52:47
  Vladimir Putin was talking about at the end.
• 52:51
  And that song, if you listen to the
• 52:53
  words of it, it's basically, this isn't the
• 52:56
  first time that Russia has had to fight
• 52:59
  for the truth.
• 53:01
  This isn't the first time that Russia has
• 53:03
  had to fight to the bitter end.
• 53:05
  This isn't the first time that we've had
• 53:09
  to die for what we believe in.
• 53:12
  And the song is pretty damn patriotic for
• 53:17
  the folks that, I mean, it's like us.
• 53:21
  I mean, we always get some, whenever war
• 53:24
  comes, you remember the Iraq songs that came
• 53:26
  out when, you know, whoever, you know, they'd
• 53:28
  have some, you know, whatever, you know, we're,
• 53:31
  we're kicking the crap out of the planet
• 53:33
  and blah, blah, blah.
• 53:34
  Well, Russia has the same things, right?
• 53:36
  And, but they don't have country music.
• 53:40
  That doesn't exist in Russia, you know?
• 53:43
  No, I'm kidding.
• 53:43
  But, but they have some folk music.
• 53:46
  Some of that's kind of cool.
• 53:47
  And I play some of those girls for
• 53:49
  you sometimes.
• 53:50
  And I forget what they call themselves, but
• 53:53
  I play them fairly often for you.
• 53:54
  But this one in particular, where, where she
• 53:58
  was talking about it is, I believe where
• 54:00
  the commentary at the end, work brothers comes
• 54:06
  from and, and what they were referring to,
• 54:11
  because, I mean, toward the end, it says,
• 54:13
  what happened with you, sister?
• 54:16
  You know, and they're talking about Ukrainian women.
• 54:18
  Well, what happened to you, sister?
• 54:20
  Look what happened to you.
• 54:21
  There's, there's children's blood all over your boots,
• 54:25
  she says, and says, but, and your dreams
• 54:28
  of, and your dreams of living European style,
• 54:33
  you know, and, and, you know, getting everything
• 54:36
  for free hasn't worked out very well, has
• 54:39
  it?
• 54:40
  You know, so it's kind of a, it's
• 54:42
  kind of a, it's one of those songs,
• 54:45
  let's put it that way.
• 54:46
  But, you know, the, it's, it, it's hard
• 54:50
  to find this song where you can play
• 54:53
  it all.
• 54:53
  You know, it took me a while to
• 54:55
  find it.
• 54:55
  And it's not just laying around out there
• 54:58
  and you can't find it.
• 55:01
  You can doubt, I had, well, it doesn't
• 55:03
  matter how I got it, but I found
• 55:04
  it.
• 55:04
  And it took a little bit to get
• 55:07
  there.
• 55:08
  So at any rate, that's a cultural pattern
• 55:11
  of what is going on.
• 55:13
  But, but Russians do it.
• 55:16
  Iranians are doing it.
• 55:17
  You know, they're, they're like, you know what,
• 55:19
  what else have we got to fight for?
• 55:21
  You hate us anyway, basically.
• 55:22
  And so what are we supposed to do?
• 55:25
  You know, just supposed to, you know, bend
• 55:26
  over and take it up the tailpipe for
• 55:28
  you?
• 55:29
  Is that what we're supposed to do?
• 55:30
  No, that's not going to happen.
• 55:32
  And here's our defiant song, you know, let's
• 55:35
  play some defiant jazz for you.
• 55:38
  And we will put a song out there
• 55:39
  and YouTube will block it.
• 55:42
  So you can't get to it without trying
• 55:45
  really hard.
• 55:46
  And you gotta find it on Telegram, you
• 55:48
  know, instead, and you're not allowed to have
• 55:51
  a channel that plays it, nothing.
• 55:53
  And it's, it's, there's, there's no propaganda in
• 55:57
  the West, is there?
• 55:58
  You can't listen to that.
• 56:00
  Anyway, I've been rambling about that for a
• 56:02
  little bit, a little bit there.
• 56:05
  Oh no, what have I done?
• 56:08
  Okay, cool.
• 56:08
  I didn't do that.
• 56:10
  All right.
• 56:11
  Now I wanted to switch gears because, you
• 56:16
  know, another thing that I do is I'm
• 56:17
  a C-SPAN goon.
• 56:20
  I watch, you know, like I told you
• 56:22
  last week while I was mowing the grass
• 56:24
  and getting munched upon by ticks.
• 56:28
  I have headphones on and I'm listening to
• 56:32
  Vladimir Vladimirovich Maria Zakharova.
• 56:35
  I'm listening to 60 Minutes Russia, but I'm
• 56:39
  also listening to C-SPAN hearings.
• 56:43
  I'm listening to, you know, long-term, longer
• 56:47
  play people that I like to listen to.
• 56:51
  You know, I'll download a YouTube video of
• 56:55
  some sort and watch it or listen to
• 56:57
  it.
• 56:58
  I mean, Tucker Carlson, some interview that he'll
• 57:00
  pick up.
• 57:01
  Oh, I'll do him once in a while.
• 57:04
  Or Levin, although I disagree with that guy
• 57:06
  virtually half the time or more.
• 57:10
  But he's fun to listen to.
• 57:13
  But I don't take, you know, I don't
• 57:15
  believe what he says anymore.
• 57:17
  And I believe anybody else's.
• 57:18
  I'm far more willing to take Tucker Carlson
• 57:25
  seriously.
• 57:26
  And I used to like the lady who
• 57:28
  was on Fox News at night.
• 57:30
  I can't remember her name, but that got
• 57:32
  booted off after Bill O'Reilly.
• 57:34
  I used to like to watch her too.
• 57:37
  And it seems like they all become too
• 57:39
  extreme after that, you know.
• 57:42
  And I don't know.
• 57:44
  So I'm going to shift anyway to beat
• 57:47
  up on Marco Rubio because he deserves it.
• 57:54
  And I want to get to the cross
• 57:56
  -examination theme that I'm talking about with this
• 57:59
  guy.
• 57:59
  I don't remember if Rubio's a lawyer.
• 58:01
  I want to say that he is, but
• 58:03
  I don't really remember.
• 58:04
  But his testimony in front of that, because
• 58:08
  he was in front of a budget committee
• 58:09
  and asked him all about Iran.
• 58:12
  They asked him about his advice to the
• 58:13
  president.
• 58:14
  They asked him about getting rid of health
• 58:17
  spending from the State Department side.
• 58:21
  They asked him about being a national security
• 58:24
  advisor and the Secretary of State at the
• 58:28
  same time and said those are two full
• 58:30
  -time jobs and there's no way you can
• 58:32
  do them both, you know, accurately or something.
• 58:36
  The Democrats that were quizzing him, of course,
• 58:38
  were being pretty brutal to him, but I
• 58:41
  would have been too because that boy needs
• 58:44
  to be cross-examined.
• 58:45
  That's what he needs.
• 58:47
  And, you know, lawyers don't want to be
• 58:51
  cross-examined.
• 58:54
  They don't want that.
• 58:55
  Lawyers don't want that.
• 58:56
  No freaking way.
• 58:58
  So his testimony isn't any sort of defense
• 59:03
  of peace through strength at all.
• 59:05
  It's a defense of escalation through, you know,
• 59:09
  euphemism, through propaganda, through slogan, right?
• 59:12
  He tries to divide the story all the
• 59:15
  time into these neat little compartments that don't
• 59:17
  exist, by the way.
• 59:18
  The strike, the initial strikes, the blockade, the
• 59:24
  Straits of Hormuz, the nuclear negotiation, sanctions, overall
• 59:30
  Gulf security, global oil cost.
• 59:33
  But those aren't all separate compartments.
• 59:37
  They're one chain of events that, you know,
• 59:41
  and it's pretty funny because at one point
• 59:43
  I listened to him say, well, the Strait
• 59:46
  of Hormuz is closed because we are blocking
• 59:52
  Iranian ships coming out.
• 59:55
  We've even seized some of them.
• 59:57
  And the other ships aren't coming out because
• 1:00:01
  Iran has mined and is blocking.
• 1:00:04
  And these people, they're not necessarily being bombed,
• 1:00:07
  but they're afraid to come through and their
• 1:00:09
  insurance won't cover it.
• 1:00:10
  And that's why they're not coming through.
• 1:00:12
  And we blame that on Iran.
• 1:00:14
  But he won't go the one step further.
• 1:00:17
  Why not?
• 1:00:17
  Because the one step further, well, if you
• 1:00:21
  say the Strait was open before, something meant
• 1:00:25
  the Straits of Hormuz got closed and he
• 1:00:27
  wants to blame it unilaterally on Iran closing
• 1:00:31
  it.
• 1:00:32
  And then he says, well, no, we closed
• 1:00:34
  it.
• 1:00:34
  It's us closing it.
• 1:00:35
  The war is over.
• 1:00:36
  He said that do three times.
• 1:00:37
  The war is over.
• 1:00:38
  We closed it until they do this.
• 1:00:40
  We're not going to do it.
• 1:00:41
  Well, they're not going to open on their
• 1:00:43
  side until you acknowledge that you're the one
• 1:00:46
  who freaking closed it in the first place.
• 1:00:48
  And that, that is a framing that you
• 1:00:52
  cannot avoid.
• 1:00:53
  If you're going to argue the first two
• 1:00:55
  where Rubio did in his, in his, you
• 1:00:57
  know, if I'm, if I'm cross examining the
• 1:00:59
  guy, I'm going, wait a minute, how come
• 1:01:02
  you can make that logical leap and say,
• 1:01:04
  well, no, no, no, we close the Straits
• 1:01:06
  of Hormuz because Iran is bombing ships and
• 1:01:09
  mining the, the bottom of it.
• 1:01:11
  And those are, remember I was telling you
• 1:01:13
  earlier in the show that if you have
• 1:01:16
  an improper foundation, the judge will, will, will
• 1:01:19
  strike what you've said or object, you know,
• 1:01:21
  you object and the judge will say sustained
• 1:01:23
  and you don't get to put that piece
• 1:01:25
  of evidence in.
• 1:01:26
  Nobody stopped him.
• 1:01:28
  And his basis is, in his very first
• 1:01:31
  basis was the Straits of Hormuz are international
• 1:01:34
  waters.
• 1:01:35
  Well, there's the lie.
• 1:01:37
  Number one, right there.
• 1:01:39
  Those are not international waters according to the
• 1:01:43
  international law of the sea.
• 1:01:46
  They are not.
• 1:01:47
  And they can be closed.
• 1:01:49
  He even said, he said, Oman flirted with
• 1:01:52
  helping Iran to keep those Straits closed and
• 1:01:55
  they want to make the money too.
• 1:01:57
  Iran's going, screw you.
• 1:01:58
  You know, we're, we're sick of you just
• 1:02:00
  coming in and bombing us.
• 1:02:01
  And this is the only way to, to
• 1:02:03
  hold it right or wrong or indifferent.
• 1:02:05
  That's what they're doing.
• 1:02:06
  And if you start by going in and,
• 1:02:08
  and, and, and he, he made a premise
• 1:02:10
  that nobody challenged, nobody, nobody said, and they
• 1:02:15
  may know it and they're just being, you
• 1:02:17
  know, just as dishonest as he is to
• 1:02:20
  say that, oh gee, you know, objection, your
• 1:02:25
  honor, objection, no foundation.
• 1:02:29
  There is no foundation.
• 1:02:31
  And it's obviously he's not in court, but
• 1:02:33
  somebody should have stopped him anyway, or pushed
• 1:02:35
  back and said, wait a minute.
• 1:02:37
  Don't you realize that under the international law
• 1:02:39
  of the sea that the, the 12, 12
• 1:02:42
  miles out, it's yours.
• 1:02:44
  Oh man, oh man, 12 miles out.
• 1:02:46
  It's yours.
• 1:02:47
  That means that entire straight is not, there's
• 1:02:53
  no sliver of international waters in it.
• 1:02:58
  It's either owned by one side or the
• 1:03:00
  other because the widest point of the narrowest
• 1:03:05
  space is 23 miles.
• 1:03:11
  And it's gotta be 12 miles on either
• 1:03:13
  side.
• 1:03:14
  You can't do that.
• 1:03:15
  Can you?
• 1:03:17
  12 and 12 is always going to equal
• 1:03:21
  24 and not 23, unless you're Marco Rubio.
• 1:03:26
  And so that one lie is what everything
• 1:03:31
  else is dependent on.
• 1:03:33
  And, and, and he talked about money, you
• 1:03:35
  know, well, you know, they'll let us through,
• 1:03:37
  but they don't want to let us through
• 1:03:39
  because they want us to pay.
• 1:03:42
  Well, you pay in other places.
• 1:03:44
  And he says, it's the only place that
• 1:03:45
  he acts like that.
• 1:03:47
  He said something else later.
• 1:03:48
  And I wish I had the exact quote.
• 1:03:50
  I don't have in front of me that
• 1:03:51
  they said, you have to have, you know,
• 1:03:54
  other locations where people are charging to get
• 1:04:01
  through straights of wherever, you know, Malacca or
• 1:04:04
  whatever it's called over in East Asia, whatever
• 1:04:10
  those straights are, but New Zealand near there.
• 1:04:15
  And you got to pay to get through
• 1:04:16
  there.
• 1:04:17
  You got to pay to get through other
• 1:04:19
  places, you know, that are, that are blocked
• 1:04:22
  off, that are narrow like that.
• 1:04:25
  You got to pay.
• 1:04:28
  I wonder, and I've never looked into it,
• 1:04:30
  but I think the English channel is 22
• 1:04:33
  miles wide, I think.
• 1:04:35
  So I wonder if people can go through
• 1:04:37
  there for free.
• 1:04:40
  I don't know.
• 1:04:40
  I've never looked, but there are, you know,
• 1:04:44
  it's other people charge.
• 1:04:47
  Why are we going to lie about the
• 1:04:49
  one basic foundational question?
• 1:04:52
  Okay.
• 1:04:53
  And that kind of distracted me from the
• 1:04:55
  rest of what he was attempting to say.
• 1:04:58
  But when you base it on that, Rubio
• 1:05:01
  wants credit for solving a crisis created by
• 1:05:07
  him.
• 1:05:09
  He creates a crisis and then he wants
• 1:05:12
  to be the one to solve it.
• 1:05:14
  And how's he going to solve it?
• 1:05:15
  So, and he started out with, because he
• 1:05:18
  was getting beat up for having this enormous
• 1:05:20
  military budget.
• 1:05:22
  You know, they're asking Senate to, or asking
• 1:05:25
  the house and the legislature to approve $1
• 1:05:28
  .5 trillion for the military or for defense.
• 1:05:37
  And meanwhile, they're cutting all these other parts.
• 1:05:41
  I have no position.
• 1:05:42
  I have a position on the military.
• 1:05:45
  That's nonsense.
• 1:05:46
  When you've upped it by 60% in
• 1:05:49
  one year, that's overkill, you know.
• 1:05:54
  But if you're creating war, one thing I
• 1:05:56
  wanted to play for you one more time,
• 1:06:00
  because Trump the other day, what did he
• 1:06:04
  say?
• 1:06:05
  Where is it?
• 1:06:07
  We're going to bring it to you because
• 1:06:12
  I think it's important.
• 1:06:15
  Let's see.
• 1:06:17
  There's Miss Mantica.
• 1:06:20
  And here we go.
• 1:06:22
  Let us listen to Trump in his own
• 1:06:24
  words.
• 1:06:25
  First, just recently, where he tells us that
• 1:06:30
  he did not promise no more war.
• 1:06:34
  Hold on.
• 1:06:36
  I was the first president in decades who
• 1:06:38
  started no new wars, no new wars.
• 1:06:42
  We don't need the wars.
• 1:06:44
  You insisted no new wars.
• 1:06:47
  I didn't guarantee no war.
• 1:06:49
  When you say I promised, I didn't promise
• 1:06:51
  anything.
• 1:06:52
  They said he will start a war.
• 1:06:54
  I'm not going to start a war.
• 1:06:55
  So promises.
• 1:06:56
  Okay.
• 1:06:57
  So he specifically said promise and didn't guarantee.
• 1:07:02
  But what I think I'm going to do,
• 1:07:06
  and I've played this for you before, and
• 1:07:08
  I think it is certainly worthy of a
• 1:07:15
  repeat, because this is only two minutes.
• 1:07:19
  This is 10 years of Trump.
• 1:07:22
  Ready?
• 1:07:23
  I am the candidate of peace.
• 1:07:25
  I am peace.
• 1:07:29
  A vote for Donald Trump is a vote
• 1:07:32
  for a man who wants to end wars,
• 1:07:35
  not start them.
• 1:07:35
  We do not want war with Iran.
• 1:07:37
  We actually want peace.
• 1:07:39
  The Iranians are clearly not very good at
• 1:07:41
  war.
• 1:07:42
  Perhaps they should follow President Trump's lead and
• 1:07:44
  give peace a chance.
• 1:07:45
  Kamala is campaigning with warmongers like Liz Cheney.
• 1:07:48
  How do you think that is?
• 1:07:49
  She picks Liz Cheney, whose father virtually destroyed
• 1:07:54
  the Middle East.
• 1:07:55
  You know, Liz Cheney, she talks big.
• 1:07:57
  Oh, I want war.
• 1:07:58
  She always wants war.
• 1:07:58
  Every time I was with her in the
• 1:08:00
  White House, we should attack this nation, that
• 1:08:03
  nation, nations that people never even heard of.
• 1:08:06
  We should attack.
• 1:08:06
  She's a big, big, tough guy.
• 1:08:08
  She sits back in Washington.
• 1:08:10
  Oh, we ought to go and attack Iran,
• 1:08:14
  Iraq.
• 1:08:14
  We're going to attack everybody.
• 1:08:16
  That's why I broke up with her.
• 1:08:17
  All she wanted to do is go to
• 1:08:18
  war with everybody.
• 1:08:20
  These war hawks, they want to draft your
• 1:08:22
  kids to die in wars, and they will
• 1:08:26
  never fight themselves.
• 1:08:27
  You know, we'll stay around the country for
• 1:08:28
  15 years, just bomb the hell out of
• 1:08:30
  everybody, make everybody miserable.
• 1:08:32
  Nobody knows why we're there, you know, the
• 1:08:34
  wars that never end.
• 1:08:35
  These endless wars that we've been in, I've
• 1:08:38
  gotten us out of so many.
• 1:08:39
  We don't want to get into wars.
• 1:08:41
  We're tired of fighting.
• 1:08:42
  I'm the only president in the last 84
• 1:08:44
  years that didn't start a war.
• 1:08:46
  Under Trump, we will have no more wars.
• 1:08:49
  No more wars.
• 1:08:50
  No more wars.
• 1:08:51
  We will have prosperity and peace.
• 1:08:53
  We will have prosperity and we will have
• 1:08:55
  peace.
• 1:08:56
  Remember, I'm the president of peace.
• 1:08:58
  They said he will start a war.
• 1:08:59
  I'm not going to start a war.
• 1:09:00
  I'm going to stop wars.
• 1:09:01
  He's going to start a war.
• 1:09:03
  I said, no, no, no.
• 1:09:04
  My rhetoric is going to keep us out
• 1:09:06
  of wars.
• 1:09:07
  And that's what happened.
• 1:09:08
  My proudest legacy will be that of a
• 1:09:11
  peacemaker.
• 1:09:12
  That's what I want to be, a peacemaker.
• 1:09:14
  We will measure our success not only by
• 1:09:16
  the battles we win, but also by the
• 1:09:19
  wars that we end, and perhaps most importantly,
• 1:09:22
  the wars we never get into.
• 1:09:26
  Our president will start a war with Iran
• 1:09:29
  because he has absolutely no ability to negotiate.
• 1:09:33
  He's weak and he's ineffective.
• 1:09:35
  I believe that he will attack Iran sometime
• 1:09:39
  prior to the election because he thinks that's
• 1:09:42
  the only way he can get elected.
• 1:09:44
  Isn't it pathetic?
• 1:09:46
  Well, I'm sorry to include that for all
• 1:09:52
  the always Trumpers, but if there's anything that
• 1:09:57
  bothers me more than anything else about the
• 1:10:02
  Trumpster, it's that, okay?
• 1:10:06
  Is that there aren't going to be any
• 1:10:10
  more wars?
• 1:10:13
  And arguably, I suppose you could say, I
• 1:10:17
  didn't guarantee, like he said.
• 1:10:20
  Do you remember when Bush won?
• 1:10:25
  Bush won.
• 1:10:26
  They sucked him in and said, and this
• 1:10:30
  was foolish on his behalf, way back in
• 1:10:34
  1991 when he said, read my lips, no
• 1:10:41
  new taxes.
• 1:10:43
  And then what happened?
• 1:10:46
  Three years later, Bill Clinton beat the snot
• 1:10:52
  out of him with those words every single
• 1:10:57
  day.
• 1:10:59
  Pumped that out and said, look, he promised
• 1:11:05
  you, read my lips.
• 1:11:07
  I mean, what more do you have to
• 1:11:08
  say?
• 1:11:09
  Read my lips.
• 1:11:11
  No new taxes.
• 1:11:14
  Well, if you're Trump and you could say,
• 1:11:17
  my legacy will be one of peace.
• 1:11:19
  What does that mean?
• 1:11:21
  No, you didn't sign a guarantee.
• 1:11:22
  You didn't say there would never be, you
• 1:11:26
  didn't say anything like that.
• 1:11:28
  But that, but when you say that, and
• 1:11:31
  you are the cause of the Iran, it
• 1:11:35
  was your decision.
• 1:11:36
  You've taken great pride in that decision.
• 1:11:40
  I don't think it really was your decision.
• 1:11:42
  I think it was made for you by
• 1:11:44
  the Netanyahu crowd and that you had no
• 1:11:48
  choice, but to follow along.
• 1:11:50
  Those are my personal views.
• 1:11:52
  I could be convinced otherwise, but either way,
• 1:11:55
  I can't imagine that people aren't going to
• 1:11:59
  beat you up over it like I am
• 1:12:01
  right now.
• 1:12:03
  And you know, I, I still say, what
• 1:12:07
  the hell was the alternative?
• 1:12:08
  What do you, what are you going to
• 1:12:09
  get?
• 1:12:09
  Kamala Harris?
• 1:12:11
  Holy crap.
• 1:12:12
  No.
• 1:12:12
  Hillary Clinton.
• 1:12:14
  Oh my God.
• 1:12:15
  No.
• 1:12:15
  Joe Biden.
• 1:12:16
  Oh, geez.
• 1:12:18
  If your choices are Donald Trump and any
• 1:12:21
  of those three.
• 1:12:22
  Oh my God.
• 1:12:23
  How can you not pick Donald Trump?
• 1:12:25
  Those were three little pigs, three morons in
• 1:12:29
  a bucket.
• 1:12:30
  You know, those are the three stooges.
• 1:12:34
  Okay.
• 1:12:34
  And, and each, every one dumber than the
• 1:12:37
  other.
• 1:12:37
  It's, it's like, it's, what choice did we
• 1:12:43
  have?
• 1:12:44
  I mean, seriously, that's the problem with your
• 1:12:46
  two party system and your problem with no
• 1:12:48
  coalition having to be created.
• 1:12:50
  Well, not, I don't mean it's a problem.
• 1:12:52
  That's, that's the way our system is turned
• 1:12:55
  out.
• 1:12:55
  Unfortunately for us, that's where we are friends
• 1:13:00
  and neighbors.
• 1:13:02
  And it's a, and by the way, Trump
• 1:13:04
  in general, in my view has done a
• 1:13:06
  reasonably good job.
• 1:13:08
  I hate that in a, in a very
• 1:13:10
  short period of time, two, three weeks, I
• 1:13:13
  went from paying two 50 a gallon to
• 1:13:15
  paying four and a quarter or something like
• 1:13:17
  that for gas.
• 1:13:18
  I have a big truck.
• 1:13:20
  Well, not big, but I have a truck
• 1:13:21
  that's 35 gallon tank.
• 1:13:23
  That's not cheap.
• 1:13:25
  You know, 35 times a one and a
• 1:13:27
  half, you know, a dollar 50, 35 times
• 1:13:30
  one and a half is what it's like
• 1:13:33
  52 50, something like that.
• 1:13:36
  It's, it's an extra 50 bucks.
• 1:13:39
  Every time I fell that sucker up 200
• 1:13:42
  bucks a month, more than what I spent.
• 1:13:44
  If I fell up once a week, Jesus,
• 1:13:46
  there went 200 bucks right out of my
• 1:13:49
  pocket and for what?
• 1:13:51
  So Netanyahu gets to take over Lebanon.
• 1:14:00
  What do I care?
• 1:14:02
  I mean, seriously, what do any of us
• 1:14:03
  care?
• 1:14:04
  We don't want to be, if we wanted
• 1:14:05
  to be over there, we'd move over there.
• 1:14:06
  It's a beautiful place to visit.
• 1:14:08
  Wouldn't want to live there.
• 1:14:14
  Crazy, crazy sauce all the way around.
• 1:14:18
  Anyway, I'm going to get back to the
• 1:14:20
  Rubio beat up because he deserves it.
• 1:14:25
  Where is this poor?
• 1:14:28
  Okay.
• 1:14:28
  His opening position was America's not a charity.
• 1:14:33
  We have to quit paying for all this
• 1:14:35
  medical stuff.
• 1:14:36
  We don't need to send medical stuff to
• 1:14:38
  fight Ebola and Africa or anywhere else, right?
• 1:14:41
  He says that the national interests say the
• 1:14:44
  U S foreign policy has to be focused
• 1:14:46
  on our national interests, our economic security, our
• 1:14:51
  sovereignty, and the future.
• 1:14:53
  The U S is not a charity.
• 1:14:55
  We're not social workers and the state department
• 1:14:59
  exists to his words, win for the American
• 1:15:04
  people.
• 1:15:05
  I don't feel like I'm winning right now,
• 1:15:07
  Marco, I wouldn't vote for you as president
• 1:15:12
  anyway.
• 1:15:12
  You know, if my choice is him next
• 1:15:14
  time I'm out, I ain't voting for that
• 1:15:16
  guy.
• 1:15:17
  Uh, that language is, is, uh, you know,
• 1:15:21
  what he used.
• 1:15:21
  He wants to win, right?
• 1:15:24
  You know, maybe you could agree with winning
• 1:15:26
  in the abstract.
• 1:15:27
  That's good.
• 1:15:29
  But the U S shouldn't be the world's
• 1:15:31
  ATM.
• 1:15:32
  I agree with you, Marco, I'm with you.
• 1:15:34
  The U S should not run every public
• 1:15:37
  health program around the world.
• 1:15:39
  Every NGO, every development program, every internal political
• 1:15:44
  reform program around the planet.
• 1:15:47
  But then Rubio said something else defending a
• 1:15:52
  huge military escalation in Iran.
• 1:15:57
  He says, America is not a charity.
• 1:16:00
  Great, fine.
• 1:16:01
  You know, I can live with that, but
• 1:16:02
  apparently America is still allowed to be a
• 1:16:06
  subcontractor, a security contractor for Israel for free,
• 1:16:12
  by the way, the entire person we get
• 1:16:15
  to be the Persian Gulf's traffic cop, right?
• 1:16:18
  We, what happened to, we don't care about
• 1:16:20
  the block or we don't care about hormones.
• 1:16:23
  You guys do it.
• 1:16:24
  You're the ones who use the oil.
• 1:16:25
  We're we're independent.
• 1:16:26
  What happened to that?
• 1:16:27
  And so he says, we're we're okay, fine.
• 1:16:30
  We get to be the Persian Gulf traffic
• 1:16:32
  cop.
• 1:16:33
  We get the global oil police.
• 1:16:35
  We get to be the sanctions dude.
• 1:16:37
  And the military muscle behind somebody else's regional
• 1:16:42
  war.
• 1:16:43
  The war really isn't between the U S
• 1:16:46
  and Iran.
• 1:16:47
  It's between Israel and Iran and Israel started
• 1:16:50
  it.
• 1:16:50
  And the U S did what it always
• 1:16:53
  does and just jumped in.
• 1:16:55
  That's the contradiction, Marco Rubio and people of,
• 1:17:00
  of they're thinking people are allowed to disagree
• 1:17:05
  on whether that is in our country's interest.
• 1:17:08
  And I believe that there are far more
• 1:17:10
  of us who believe it is not blind
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  obedience to Netanyahu is not positive for the
• 1:17:20
  United States.
• 1:17:20
  In my point of view, what is Rubio
• 1:17:24
  central theory?
• 1:17:26
  His central theory is that Iran was building
• 1:17:30
  a conventional shield of missiles, drones, Navy, and
• 1:17:33
  industrial capacity that could have eventually obtained a
• 1:17:38
  nuclear weapon.
• 1:17:41
  He says for the purpose of operation epic
• 1:17:45
  fury, that our plan was to deny them
• 1:17:50
  that point of immunity, you know, allowing them,
• 1:17:53
  you know, to, uh, obtain that capability.
• 1:17:58
  He says the operation dramatically reduced Iran's defense
• 1:18:03
  industrial base, their missile programs, their launchers, their
• 1:18:07
  drone building capabilities and their Navy.
• 1:18:11
  That's his strongest argument.
• 1:18:13
  Seriously.
• 1:18:15
  I ran, you know, he isn't just saying
• 1:18:16
  Iran could have had a bomb tomorrow.
• 1:18:18
  He's saying Iran was building a military structure
• 1:18:21
  that would eventually make intervention impossible.
• 1:18:24
  Well, it seems like you were late then,
• 1:18:27
  but the, you know, because that's not imminent
• 1:18:31
  defense logic.
• 1:18:33
  That's a preventive war logic, right?
• 1:18:36
  That's not, we have to defend ourselves because
• 1:18:38
  they're going to, they're going to, uh, uh,
• 1:18:43
  attack us.
• 1:18:44
  You know, that's not an imminent threat sort
• 1:18:47
  of logic.
• 1:18:47
  Well, we have to go to war to
• 1:18:50
  prevent them from starting a war later, not
• 1:18:54
  tomorrow.
• 1:18:54
  You know, there's no imminent threat.
• 1:18:56
  They may have the ability to fight us
• 1:18:58
  later.
• 1:18:59
  So we have to take down.
• 1:19:01
  We took down their military structure.
• 1:19:02
  We took down their stuff.
• 1:19:03
  He's defending a war based on what I
• 1:19:06
  ran might have been able to do later.
• 1:19:08
  If it's missile drone, Naval and nuclear capacities
• 1:19:12
  happen to converge.
• 1:19:13
  And that's how Washington typically sells wars, weapons,
• 1:19:18
  mass destruction.
• 1:19:18
  They got weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
• 1:19:21
  We better get our asses over there.
• 1:19:23
  They sell them not because the attack is
• 1:19:26
  happening, but because they whip up the fury
• 1:19:29
  and go, geez, America, we're going to get
• 1:19:30
  bombed.
• 1:19:31
  Not one weapon of mass destruction was found
• 1:19:34
  in Iraq.
• 1:19:37
  And there's no proof.
• 1:19:39
  IAEA disputes it as do many others that
• 1:19:42
  Iran could have had a nuclear bomb in
• 1:19:45
  the next year or two years, five years.
• 1:19:49
  So, you know, and that line matters because
• 1:19:52
  of what I just played for Trump.
• 1:19:54
  Trump didn't run as a president of preventive
• 1:19:58
  war, creating a war to avoid a war.
• 1:20:01
  He ran as the president who would end
• 1:20:03
  stupid wars and avoid new ones.
• 1:20:06
  And here we are in the middle of
• 1:20:07
  a stupid war or a new one that
• 1:20:11
  shouldn't have happened.
• 1:20:13
  So Congressman, Senator, I don't remember if he
• 1:20:16
  was in front of the Senate, but whoever
• 1:20:18
  this guy Murphy, he said the old bipartisan
• 1:20:21
  strategy toward Iran was economic pressure to force
• 1:20:26
  negotiation.
• 1:20:27
  But now the administration has held the U
• 1:20:30
  .S. and the world economy hostage to the
• 1:20:35
  ability to negotiate a deal with Iran.
• 1:20:37
  And he pressed Rubio on what does Iran
• 1:20:42
  have to do to reopen the strait?
• 1:20:45
  What does Iran have to do?
• 1:20:47
  And here's Rubio's answer.
• 1:20:49
  Two things.
• 1:20:49
  First, they have to reopen the street.
• 1:20:54
  No commercial ships, no threats, no tolls, and
• 1:20:58
  help us remove the mines.
• 1:21:00
  Second, now this is where he said, by
• 1:21:02
  the way, those are international waters and they
• 1:21:04
  are not.
• 1:21:06
  And secondly, that opens the door to phase
• 1:21:08
  two.
• 1:21:09
  Iran has to commit to negotiation over highly
• 1:21:12
  enriched uranium and severe long-term limitation or
• 1:21:15
  cancellation of enrichment, which by the way, they
• 1:21:18
  were involved in the last week of February
• 1:21:20
  of this year and a couple of times
• 1:21:22
  for that.
• 1:21:24
  So Murphy says at the end, you know,
• 1:21:26
  the facts, the facts are the straight is
• 1:21:29
  closed because the U.S. took military action
• 1:21:32
  against Iran.
• 1:21:33
  And anybody who knew anything knew that the
• 1:21:37
  closing of the straight is a potential likely
• 1:21:40
  response.
• 1:21:42
  Right.
• 1:21:44
  So Rubio's acting as if Iran's closure of
• 1:21:46
  the straight just fell out of the sky.
• 1:21:49
  You know, this was a predictable pressure point.
• 1:21:52
  If you strike Iran, Iran doesn't have to
• 1:21:54
  defeat the U.S. Navy.
• 1:21:56
  They only have to make global shipping, insurance,
• 1:21:58
  energy pricing and gulf politics unstable enough so
• 1:22:02
  that everyone is screaming like even me for
• 1:22:05
  Washington to fix the crisis that Washington started
• 1:22:08
  on behalf of Israel.
• 1:22:12
  It doesn't require you to defend Iran.
• 1:22:15
  All it has, all it takes is you
• 1:22:17
  saying, well, this was a foreseeable event, Mr.
• 1:22:19
  Rubio.
• 1:22:20
  And they kept pushing him on this and
• 1:22:22
  saying, wait a minute, what did you recommend
• 1:22:25
  to Trump?
• 1:22:26
  And he goes, well, I'm going to tell
• 1:22:27
  you that I'm not going to tell you
• 1:22:29
  what I said, but I support what's going
• 1:22:30
  on now.
• 1:22:32
  And he says, but I've always said the
• 1:22:34
  same thing.
• 1:22:35
  OK, he's always said you don't need to
• 1:22:39
  go to war with Iran.
• 1:22:40
  And so he won't admit what he said.
• 1:22:43
  And basically, he just doesn't want to be
• 1:22:45
  saying anything negative, Trump, because Trump will, you
• 1:22:48
  know, pound on him just like he does
• 1:22:49
  anybody else that happens to disagree with him,
• 1:22:52
  regardless how long they agreed with him.
• 1:22:54
  Doesn't matter.
• 1:22:55
  And so the Strait of Hormuz argument is
• 1:22:59
  Iran's action is unlawful and illegal.
• 1:23:02
  That's what he says.
• 1:23:03
  He says ships must be able to sail
• 1:23:06
  through international waters without being fired upon here
• 1:23:12
  or upon paying a toll.
• 1:23:14
  He says China, Russia and the world oppose
• 1:23:17
  what Iran is doing.
• 1:23:18
  But the technical issue is the Strait of
• 1:23:21
  Hormuz isn't just international waters.
• 1:23:23
  It runs through waters bordered by Iran and
• 1:23:26
  Oman under the law of the sea.
• 1:23:29
  Straits used for international navigation do carry a
• 1:23:32
  right of transit that shall not be impeded.
• 1:23:36
  But the economic stakes are massive that these
• 1:23:40
  things and they can close them because the
• 1:23:44
  international shortcut.
• 1:23:46
  It's not an open ocean highway owned by
• 1:23:49
  Washington.
• 1:23:50
  It's a straight bordered by Iran and Oman.
• 1:23:54
  And they knew perfectly well that if it
• 1:23:56
  launched a war in Iran, Iran's pressure point
• 1:23:59
  would be the straight.
• 1:24:01
  And the toll argument, Rubio says the U
• 1:24:04
  .S. can accept cannot accept a world where
• 1:24:08
  Iran closes straight, tells everybody to pay a
• 1:24:10
  toll.
• 1:24:12
  The toll argument is a distraction.
• 1:24:14
  Who lit the match?
• 1:24:16
  If you knew Iran had threatened the world's
• 1:24:18
  most important oil choke point.
• 1:24:19
  Why in the world did you follow Netanyahu
• 1:24:21
  into the strike and then act surprised when
• 1:24:24
  the leverage everyone knew was there?
• 1:24:29
  Good question.
• 1:24:31
  Rubio refused to say what he advised Trump.
• 1:24:34
  That's, you know, one of the strongest points.
• 1:24:36
  And, you know, Rubio won't tell the country
• 1:24:39
  whether he heard caution before the war.
• 1:24:41
  He only says he supports the decision after
• 1:24:43
  the fact.
• 1:24:44
  That isn't statesmanship.
• 1:24:46
  That's resume management.
• 1:24:48
  He's he doesn't want to say anything later.
• 1:24:50
  He's protecting his future presidential campaign.
• 1:24:53
  He isn't explaining the road to war.
• 1:24:56
  Rubio knew exactly how this works.
• 1:24:59
  If he turned war into a disaster, he
• 1:25:01
  can say later I gave private advice, but
• 1:25:04
  the president decided if the war is sold
• 1:25:06
  as a victory, he can say I supported
• 1:25:08
  the president all along.
• 1:25:10
  That is absolutely not accountability.
• 1:25:13
  That is him ensuring his own political future.
• 1:25:20
  Trump didn't campaign as George W.
• 1:25:22
  Bush with a red hat.
• 1:25:23
  He didn't campaign as John Bolton with better
• 1:25:26
  rallies.
• 1:25:27
  He told people no new wars.
• 1:25:30
  He told people he would stop the endless
• 1:25:32
  war machine.
• 1:25:33
  And now the same old script is back
• 1:25:36
  a la Marco Rubio and company.
• 1:25:40
  So tell you what, these are tough old
• 1:25:44
  things out there.
• 1:25:46
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• 1:25:47
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