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Set 2: The Big Man on Campus... BMOC · Stugotz and Company

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  Speaker 1: With Stu Gotts and Hawkman.
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  Speaker 2: I got a direct message Stu Gotts. And there's always requests,
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  Speaker 2: you know, a million requests for different show bits and
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  Speaker 2: show memories. But this one, Stu Gotts is in Evanston
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  Speaker 2: right now. One of his daughters goes to Northwestern. She's
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  Speaker 2: a lacrosse player.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, she plays lacrosse for Northwestern, which when she started
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  Speaker 3: here it was the Alabama of women's lacrosse and now
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  Speaker 3: just three or four years later, it's the Indiana of
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  Speaker 3: women's lacrosse.
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  Speaker 1: How about that?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would imagine Northwestern's got a good lacrosse program.
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  Speaker 1: Huh.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, dominant lacrosse program, perhaps the greatest, not perhaps the
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  Speaker 3: greatest women's lacrosse program of all time.
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  Speaker 1: Wow wow. And Evanston Northwestern.
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  Speaker 2: I mean I would have gone to Northwestern probably if
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  Speaker 2: I could have gotten in. That was the top communications school.
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  Speaker 2: But I mean I couldn't even I wasn't even allowed
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  Speaker 2: to look at the campus when I would drive by.
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  Speaker 1: It's a beautiful, campustful city. You are not alone. There's
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  Speaker 1: no way I'm getting into that school.
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  Speaker 3: There's no way Rachel gets into that school without without lacrosse.
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  Speaker 3: And so yeah, she was she was deciding between Syracuse
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  Speaker 3: and Northwestern, and I'm like, great, really I was.
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  Speaker 2: I also when I was I was going into broadcasting.
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  Speaker 2: But I grew up in the North Shore, right near Evanston.
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  Speaker 2: I was in Highland Park, and I was deciding between
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  Speaker 2: Northwestern Syracuse, and I ended up at University of Miami
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  Speaker 2: because Northwestern and Syracuse wanted nothing to.
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  Speaker 1: Do with me.
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  Speaker 2: Syracuse really, they have very good broadcast schools. I could
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  Speaker 2: have gone to Syracuse, but not New House.
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  Speaker 1: Oh.
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  Speaker 2: The only reason I wanted to go to Syracuse was
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  Speaker 2: for the new House Communications school.
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  Speaker 1: And I didn't get in.
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  Speaker 3: YEP, and Northwestern for Medill and you couldn't get into that.
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  Speaker 3: And so you have my talents to South Beach, plopped
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  Speaker 3: out at Pearson Hall, ordered some de pizza.
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  Speaker 1: Had a velvet cream donut or two. Fast forward. However,
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  Speaker 1: many years you're still here.
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  Speaker 3: A couple of shifts at the local cut at the
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  Speaker 3: college radio station.
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  Speaker 2: You're not kidding, man, Thursday nights one am to four am.
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  Speaker 1: Oh wow, that was my shift. Do you have tapes
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  Speaker 1: of that? Oh? I do? Can we play one one day? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: If you can get together five hundred thousand dollars from listeners.
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  Speaker 2: I will play for you not only my WVUM air checks.
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  Speaker 2: I will play for you my first professional job in
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  Speaker 2: Belglade WBGF, and I will play for you my stint
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  Speaker 2: as a top forty DJ at Star ninety five point
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  Speaker 2: five and all Hit ninety five point five WOVV. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: but at that's a half million dollar price tag on
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  Speaker 2: that crap.
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  Speaker 3: So you're saying, if we could somehow raise from the audience,
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  Speaker 3: me and the audience a half million dollars, we will
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  Speaker 3: have access and your permission to play all three of
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  Speaker 3: those with you here, right.
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  Speaker 2: I think those are embarrassing, no doubt. The most embarrassing
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  Speaker 2: tape I own videotape is this God Forsake. And I
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  Speaker 2: have a friend of mine who's going through this right
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  Speaker 2: now because he's get married. I got married nineteen ninety seven,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, you'd hire a photographer a videographer back
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  Speaker 2: then it was very different, you know, because they were
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  Speaker 2: using tape and whatever. And he's like, oh, this is
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  Speaker 2: gonna be before the wedding video. I bet you've done
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  Speaker 2: this before the wedding video. This is just going to
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  Speaker 2: be shots of you and Lori, my wife, walking on
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  Speaker 2: the beach and swinging on a swing set like.
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  Speaker 1: A back natural.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'm in a fucking pair of slacks and
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  Speaker 2: a button down shirt walking down the beach.
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  Speaker 1: Who fuck wears that on a beach?
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like, and now when I look back on it,
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, who talked.
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  Speaker 1: Me into this? This? This is like like, like, what
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  Speaker 1: am I doing?
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  Speaker 2: I'm on a tire swing in slacks and a button
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  Speaker 2: down shirt like lovingly pushing Lorim like, oh hey, uh,
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  Speaker 2: I know we're all we're I know we're dressed for temple.
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  Speaker 2: Why don't we hit the park real quick? I'll push
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  Speaker 2: you a couple times on the on the on the
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  Speaker 2: wheel swing, the tire swing. I literally like, I get
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  Speaker 2: the shivers if that videotape comes on one hundred thousand
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  Speaker 2: dollars and I will I will watch that tape like
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  Speaker 2: a rewatchable.
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  Speaker 1: I will watch that with everyone.
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  Speaker 2: We can go over frame by frame what's going through
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  Speaker 2: my fucking heads as I because I literally am questioning
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  Speaker 2: everything about my life because I'm I've got sand in
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  Speaker 2: my pants.
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  Speaker 1: I'm supposed to look happy.
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  Speaker 3: That's so great, right, And they're telling you to act natural,
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  Speaker 3: and yet that's the most unnatural thing.
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  Speaker 1: The two of you will ever, you'll never do that right.
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  Speaker 2: And then it's like, you know, they put this music
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  Speaker 2: behind it and you're watching it, and so they're making
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  Speaker 2: it look like it was natural.
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  Speaker 1: But who am I fooling?
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  Speaker 2: The only people watching it is me and Laurie, Like,
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  Speaker 2: oh yeah, because now we've been married almost thirty years, Like,
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  Speaker 2: oh yeah, I remember when we were single and we
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  Speaker 2: used to do that.
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  Speaker 1: We would get all dressed up and take a walk
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  Speaker 1: to the park so I could push you on a swing.
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  Speaker 1: What fire fuck? What was I talking about?
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  Speaker 3: But the guy shooting it was just laughing all the
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  Speaker 3: way to the banking.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, there's probably like it's an extra thousand
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  Speaker 2: dollars for a beach and tire push walk.
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  Speaker 1: Oh okay, sign me up, shrink for the bitch entire
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  Speaker 1: swing shots.
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  Speaker 2: The fucking worst I think I have it. I'm one
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  Speaker 2: hundred grand. The reason I think about that is because
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  Speaker 2: I used to listen to Howard Stern and Gary Delabate.
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  Speaker 2: Baba Booie had a video tape of him trying to
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  Speaker 2: talk his old girlfriend back into dating him. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know if you've if you're a big Stern fan, but
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  Speaker 2: it was like, you know, right now, my personal life
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  Speaker 2: is at like a non my professional life is at
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  Speaker 2: like a nine.
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  Speaker 1: He says, nine, very rare.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, my professional life's at like a nine, but my
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  Speaker 2: personal life's at like a two. And it's like it's
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  Speaker 2: because you know, your personal life is at like a nine,
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  Speaker 2: but your professional and it's just like it's like it
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  Speaker 2: makes him cringe. And so Stern got a bunch of
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  Speaker 2: listeners together to pay Baba Booie like one hundred thousand
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  Speaker 2: dollars for a screening of the of the tape.
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  Speaker 1: We do.
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  Speaker 3: This'll go fund me because I want I want to
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  Speaker 3: try to do this.
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  Speaker 1: I think people pay to hear your radio shows and
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  Speaker 1: watch that video.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll give you. I'll give you all my air
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  Speaker 2: checks and the video. So what if they don't reach
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  Speaker 2: one hundred grand?
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  Speaker 1: What do you do?
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  Speaker 3: Do you have to send it back? We just keep
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  Speaker 3: it and we don't show them anything what happens there.
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  Speaker 2: No, it's gonna be in a it's got to be
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  Speaker 2: in a public situation. They're gonna and no cameras, no,
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  Speaker 2: no cameras or phones are allowed. You get to you
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  Speaker 2: get to join us somewhere and we all watch it together.
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  Speaker 1: Why are you making it like a Derek Cheeter party
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  Speaker 1: because no one's allowed to have any recollection.
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  Speaker 2: Of it after you leave. You're not allowed to then
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  Speaker 2: all of a sudden share the tape with the world.
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  Speaker 1: You're one of the view that gets to see it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, what were you talking about? So I get this
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  Speaker 2: direct message on Instagram? You can DM anything you want
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  Speaker 2: on this podcast with Stu gottson Hawkman to my Instagram.
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  Speaker 2: It's radio Mark. Hawkman says, there was an episode where
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  Speaker 2: you guys did a deep dive into ste Gott's lacrosse records.
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  Speaker 2: He's bmos see claims big man on campus, and you
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  Speaker 2: found out his teams were terrible yep.
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  Speaker 1: And then you had a great.
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  Speaker 2: Analogy about being the best English speaking broadcaster in your college.
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  Speaker 2: And then we find out you went to school in
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  Speaker 2: Guatemala or something.
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  Speaker 1: I would love for you to relive this on the pod.
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  Speaker 2: And I figured since Stugats was in Evanston today at
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  Speaker 2: Northwestern and there for lacrosse reasons, we could we could
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  Speaker 2: revisit this just for fun. So here's a clip from
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  Speaker 2: the show. The jump off point for this. You remember
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  Speaker 2: Matt Barkley was going to stay in college an extra year.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I do remember.
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  Speaker 2: So Dan brings that up and is curious, like, how
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  Speaker 2: you pursue a conversation about Matt Barkley staying in college
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  Speaker 2: or someone coming out of college. And here's where the
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  Speaker 2: conversation goes.
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  Speaker 4: Is it better to be this year Matt Park Ryan Mallett,
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  Speaker 4: this year.
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  Speaker 3: Matt Barkley, But eventually it will probably be better to
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  Speaker 3: be Ryan Mallet at some point.
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  Speaker 1: But no, I'm with you, it's better to be there.
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  Speaker 4: I'm talking Matt Barkley wants to sign up for another
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  Speaker 4: year being Matt Barkley instead of another year being of
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  Speaker 4: being a Ryan Mallett.
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  Speaker 3: Dan listen coming from someone who was the BMOC big
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  Speaker 3: man on campus, and I was, that's a douche BMOC.
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  Speaker 1: I mean I was.
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  Speaker 3: I was big time at my university. Across was the
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  Speaker 3: only physical sport we had. I was an All American BMOC.
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  Speaker 5: Listen.
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  Speaker 1: I'd pay a lot of money to have it back.
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  Speaker 1: That acronym, I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: How about how about the story?
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  Speaker 1: Good about the acronym?
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  Speaker 5: How about the story?
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  Speaker 6: I mean, I just blew past that.
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  Speaker 5: That's just unbelievable.
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  Speaker 4: I mean Stecott says, uncommon delusion.
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  Speaker 5: That's unbelievable. What college did you go to again?
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  Speaker 1: Clark University?
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  Speaker 7: If I called their athletic department right now and said,
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  Speaker 7: can you tell us how to contact one of your
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  Speaker 7: more successful graduates John Wiener, Yeah he would, they would have, Oh, yes, well,
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  Speaker 7: well you.
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  Speaker 3: Mean the guy's jersey, the up the mock.
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  Speaker 1: Just refer to me as bem on that one.
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  Speaker 5: Unbelievable.
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  Speaker 2: Now you can hear I love that segment because you
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  Speaker 2: can hear I mean Dan and I. Dan As talks about,
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  Speaker 2: you know, buzzards starting to circle. Oh, we are buzzards
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  Speaker 2: starting to circle right there because we're we're seeing something
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  Speaker 2: is here and how is it going to play out?
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  Speaker 2: And you can hear Mike, Ryan and Roy cracking up
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  Speaker 2: in the background there. I just I like the dynamic
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  Speaker 2: of that audio.
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  Speaker 3: It's uh, it's funny because before you started working on
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  Speaker 3: the show, I can get him past Dan, the commination
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  Speaker 3: of you and Dan, it was impossible could get any
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  Speaker 3: of this ship through.
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  Speaker 1: Man. You guys were always ready to pounce, you know.
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  Speaker 1: So now.
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  Speaker 2: I think you're trying to get away from this a
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  Speaker 2: little bit because you realize this is not going to
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  Speaker 2: go well. But now I'm star and to do a
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  Speaker 2: little research into your claims.
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  Speaker 7: Yes, I went to the Clark University website and Stu
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  Speaker 7: Gotts does indeed hold a couple.
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  Speaker 5: Of lacrosse records.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, so I was making this up.
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  Speaker 5: Is that's the way he is on the web now.
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  Speaker 3: The only reason I don't know all the records then,
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  Speaker 3: is my senior year team player here, I'm a team player. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: senior year, our goalie went down with an injury. I
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  Speaker 3: had never played goalie before in my life.
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  Speaker 1: I played goalie my senior year.
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  Speaker 5: You are Magic Johnson filling in for Kareem.
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  Speaker 3: For an entire year. Magic did it for a game.
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  Speaker 3: I did it for an entire season. Okay, So had
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  Speaker 3: I played my normal position, which was attacked that season,
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  Speaker 3: I would have shattered every record and I would still
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  Speaker 3: hold him to this day as it is. As Hawk
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  Speaker 3: has pointed out and seen now with his own eyes,
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  Speaker 3: I'm pretty high.
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  Speaker 1: I'm pretty I'm pretty.
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  Speaker 3: Close to being right at the top of all the list,
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  Speaker 3: all the major categories, points, assists, goals, that just goals.
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  Speaker 7: That was the only one I saw that's points to
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  Speaker 7: You went to Kellogg where is that.
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  Speaker 3: No, Honestly, I don't know Mark Clark University, Westers.
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  Speaker 1: You see, why do we make that mistake? Clark Kellogg?
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  Speaker 3: Of course, of course, of course BMOC at Clark University.
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  Speaker 3: And then of course you know my graduate school at
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  Speaker 3: CSP is also the BMOC.
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  Speaker 4: There can I have a get school of broadcasting?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Clark Kellogg, Now here's that. I wasn't even fucking
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  Speaker 2: around there. I really thought you went to kelog.
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  Speaker 1: See what's happening here is Stu Gott's is starting to
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  Speaker 1: think that it's going his way.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I've been able to maintain that he was
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  Speaker 2: not lying about a couple of the records.
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  Speaker 1: So Stuc Gott starts to double down a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: There you see, you see, you see. But now we
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  Speaker 1: start to uncover a little bit more.
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  Speaker 4: There's a texture keeps sending here because I just asked
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  Speaker 4: you off air how good was the team? And you
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  Speaker 4: said pretty good? Yes, there's a text here who keeps sending.
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  Speaker 1: What the records were of.
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  Speaker 4: Those teams that you were allegedly on? Yeah, go ahead,
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  Speaker 4: were you Ozero and eleven when you were the keeper
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  Speaker 4: for your lacrosse team that.
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  Speaker 1: Was my senior year?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, now understand I may the ultimate team sacrifice there.
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  Speaker 3: I had never played goalie before in my life, and
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  Speaker 3: I want to play goalie because our goalie got injured
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  Speaker 3: and we went out on eleven. Yeah, I think it
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  Speaker 3: was one in ten. Actually, I think we beat Bryant College.
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  Speaker 3: Your name hanging for the Raptors that we're do.
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  Speaker 4: So wait a minute, that makes me believe that the
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  Speaker 4: other record he sent for your lacrosse team, and I
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  Speaker 4: gotta find this here because it's buried here. But were
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  Speaker 4: you sub five hundred is a team your entire career?
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  Speaker 4: Big man on campus?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I was the BMOC but my freshman year, I
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  Speaker 3: think we were six and five.
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  Speaker 1: I think we were six.
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  Speaker 3: But I think the record that I got for you,
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  Speaker 3: did you guys? I think it was like eight and
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  Speaker 3: thirty four. No, we won more than eight games. I
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  Speaker 3: hope we won more than eight games. I think we
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  Speaker 3: won more in a We gotta look this up. You
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  Speaker 3: gotta sprinkle the O and eleven in there. It doesn't help, No,
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  Speaker 3: it doesn't an't health the man. But understand, I made
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  Speaker 3: the ultimate sacrifice. There was Magic Johnson playing center in
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  Speaker 3: the NBA Finals.
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  Speaker 6: He did it for a game.
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  Speaker 5: I did it for seasons the sacrifice. You were the
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  Speaker 5: historically bad team.
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  Speaker 3: You know what, let's do this after the show. Let's
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  Speaker 3: put you in gold, okay, and let.
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  Speaker 4: Me take one hundred mile per hour shots. I knew
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  Speaker 4: what is God of defensiveness?
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  Speaker 5: Even if you did that in a college game.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, my record at goalkeeper couldn't end up being worse
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  Speaker 7: than yours.
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  Speaker 3: All American, though honorable match All American as a sophomore.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, let's let's go.
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  Speaker 4: Look, Hawk didn't come out here start the show with.
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  Speaker 4: I was the big man on campus.
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  Speaker 6: I was huge.
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  Speaker 1: I was great at lacrosse.
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  Speaker 4: And when we were talking about your records, you you
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  Speaker 4: really enjoyed talking about your records. But all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 4: you don't want to talk about.
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  Speaker 1: The team record. Ultimate team guy didn't mention that he.
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  Speaker 3: Was all and eleven left that part out.
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  Speaker 4: I don't you think that's a pretty important detail.
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  Speaker 1: Now it's all a world win. At this point, my
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  Speaker 1: hand in spinning. He's like, he's like, do I acquiesce?
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  Speaker 1: Do I keep forging ahead?
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  Speaker 2: You're in a no man's land here because we still
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  Speaker 2: don't have any kind of Now, I'll give you a
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  Speaker 2: little spoiler alert. We do beat him down here, like
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  Speaker 2: we we get to the reality of it.
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  Speaker 1: Spoiler alert. He wasn't six and five.
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  Speaker 2: He never had a winning record in his collegiate my
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  Speaker 2: freshman year.
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  Speaker 1: Still I still maintained that I did. I mean a
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  Speaker 1: great team. It was me and Mike Maltese, Pete Sutzman.
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  Speaker 1: I mean a fantastic team. Here's here's here's another clip.
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  Speaker 1: As things start to fall apart for you, this.
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  Speaker 4: Guy's writing in that you were eight and thirty four
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  Speaker 4: as a lacrosse player, that you were all in eleven,
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  Speaker 4: you're last year and one in ten.
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  Speaker 3: The year before your last year, Da Marino never won
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  Speaker 3: it all Still great, God were you in there? Were
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  Speaker 3: you indeed eight and thirty four? I don't know the records.
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  Speaker 3: I only know I don't know the team records. I
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  Speaker 3: know the individual records, and I hold.
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  Speaker 1: All of them.
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  Speaker 3: As you've seen on the Clark University website.
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  Speaker 1: We have validated it.
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  Speaker 3: At least give you that, yes, yeah, I played goalie year.
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  Speaker 1: I will give you that.
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  Speaker 4: You've been bragging about that for close to a decade.
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  Speaker 1: What you've left out.
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  Speaker 3: Is that your team, someone had to get the numbers,
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  Speaker 3: was apparently filled with disabled people.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was.
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  Speaker 5: I have to see it.
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  Speaker 7: I have to see a team picture because I have
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  Speaker 7: a feeling it's.
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  Speaker 5: Gonna look like a telethon.
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: I mean it will, it will. You're right, you're gonna
• 16:36
  Speaker 4: be missing. You're gonna look like that or a reunion
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: of mind sweeper twenty five honks.
• 16:43
  Speaker 5: I mean, come on, it's a good team.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: It's a good team.
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: Well, no, it couldn't have been a good freshman year.
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: The year we had Mike Maltese, Kyle Turner, all these
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: guys in the top five and career scoring.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: That was our back. It wasn't a good team.
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: You can't say a team that was a career record.
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: The senior your team wasn't very much.
• 17:01
  Speaker 7: Well, it sounds like junior and senior year your combined
• 17:03
  Speaker 7: record was like one in twenty one.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: Something like that.
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was a luter in a riot.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: It's fallowing, Amart, it's falling apart. Here your daughters about
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: your lacrosse career.
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: Listen, most people in life, you just tell them a
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: thing about lacrosse.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: They believe it. They move on with their days. But
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: in our lives, lives, that doesn't fucking fly. Okay, if
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: I just walked out and I met you at Starbucks
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: for an espresso and a couple of cameos. I was like, hey, Huck,
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: I was a great lacrosse player. You wouldn't think twice
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: of it.
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: But in that environment, everything is looked up and everything
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: is challenged in hindsight.
• 17:46
  Speaker 6: Your senior year, do you wish you just kind of
• 17:48
  Speaker 6: stayed out of tack?
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: Yes? Yes, yeah, I mean, but I had to make
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: the ultimate sacrifice, because that's what a team player does.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: I love that he's got it in stock lines, ready
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: to go, He's ready for a third, for thirty at
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: any moment. He's got his I mean, Marino never won
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: a Super Bowl. He was the ultimate team player guy.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: Perhaps it was.
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: A terrible strategy to have your best offensive player be
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: the backup goalie.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, I believe this next clip is where it
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: just officially becomes classified as a lie.
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: I'm not kidding you, Hawk when I say to you
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: that before this Texter unearthed.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: This library of lie.
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: WOA.
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: Let me finish what I was saying off air. I
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: asked you, just flippingly, just making conversation, how was the
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: team pretty good?
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: And you said pretty might God that is what he said. Here,
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: I said pretty good, live is pretty good.
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: That's what he said. But why are you only remembering
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: the one winning season allegedly because I don't have any
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: proof that it was a winning season freshman year six
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: and five maybe five five because compared to own eleven
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: to an eight field like.
• 19:07
  Speaker 7: Some fore fits for teams that just didn't have enough flair.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: Just putting the other three years out of my mind,
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: that text with Hawk and that texters and holiday gifts,
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: because he poured through the Clark record to reveal basically
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: who is he.
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: He's some up sports great liars georgia' leary with the
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: lie on.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: The resume at Notre Dame. I never lied about that.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: He's the same guy who's so.
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: Nick Saban, Nick Saban, he killed you did well.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: You know what?
• 19:35
  Speaker 7: In all honesty he other than him saying flippantly that
• 19:38
  Speaker 7: they were pretty good, which.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: Was off air.
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: He didn't lie, but he never has painted.
• 19:42
  Speaker 7: Apparently the complete fixture.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: Will validate my individual complies. Yeah, but if you have
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: me a colleenss fan for years.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: Okay, but the validator right, like we finally have some
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: validation on it.
• 19:53
  Speaker 8: Right, Oh, because that would be like me saying, by
• 19:55
  Speaker 8: the way, in ninety six to ninety eight, I was
• 19:58
  Speaker 8: the single greatest Englishish language broadcaster in the history of
• 20:02
  Speaker 8: my school. And then you find out that I went
• 20:04
  Speaker 8: to school in Guadalajara and that was the only guy
• 20:07
  Speaker 8: that spoke English.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: We were four, We were four and six, that freshman,
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: that glorious freshman year.
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: Four and which which which in hindsight you remember six
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: and five?
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: Some of that? Now, now here's where I'm gonna go do.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: So your big season was for the Ringing Tribute. If
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: we were doing Into.
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: The Fire for the students lacrosse career, the season we'd
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: be doing the documentary on is the four and sixth year,
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: four and six year.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: Now we were four and six freshman year under head
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: coach John Stevens, who who I think I know until
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: this day he's coaching at BAPSID.
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: So I don't believe anything coming out of her sad details.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: You lobb at me. The next three years combined, we
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: had four wins, didn't then?
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: Well for you, No, that had to be an inside
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: job the Texter, right, I mean it was someone as
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: someone who played with me.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: It was Tom Hicks, Alan Good.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: It had you know Brad Perry, and I mean it
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: had to be one of those who.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: Was jealous of your skills.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: Here's the final clip, as we put an end to
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: Stu Gotts's claims of being big man on campus and
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: lacrosse star at Clark Kellogg.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: This is where it all just unravels.
• 21:25
  Speaker 7: Do you want to redefine your your lacrosse career at all?
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: No?
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: No, No, text was Hight he was eight and thirty four.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: No, not at all, Hawk, because I was top ten
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: in the country and scoring.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: Born six three and seven. I was an.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: Honorable mention All American my sophomore year when I was
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: a team player, and eleven that year and on top ten.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: As you've seen now Hawk, I have top ten in
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: the school. It's scoring points and goals. I'm pretty proud
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: of that.
• 21:50
  Speaker 8: It probably sounds like you like it literally sounds like
• 21:53
  Speaker 8: you were the only abled body person.
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: In eleptil I do, I really do picture a guy
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: with leprosy on the team.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: A handful of little people.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: You can't play this weekend his arm fellow.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: The school is locurdon blue, like the team ed.
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: Do you realize how great a team victured it is?
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: It's two Gods as the monster athlete in five nine.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: There's definitely a guy in a wheelchair. You know, there's
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: a guy with a peg leg.
• 22:19
  Speaker 7: There's people staring every which way, but at the camera.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: I've been exposed.
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: He told someone like the team is riddled with learning disability.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: That's not by the way, God. Also the scholar on
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: that team.
• 22:42
  Speaker 6: This is the same university that.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: Gave him an English degree. A communication.
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: Anybody that needed a device you would.
• 22:48
  Speaker 6: Go to Steer.
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: To value everything that's ever happened at Lark University.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: I can't believe the piece of investigative work done, h man.
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: You know in that team picture, there's a guy with
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: a full body cast.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: One of the guys has his arm and his glinten.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: It's all the way.
• 23:19
  Speaker 9: To his right totally sorry, ham and blend his body
• 23:25
  Speaker 9: and this is totally parallel to the ground in perpendicular
• 23:27
  Speaker 9: to his body.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Perhaps I loved.
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: Some I picture one of the guys wearing one of
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: those one of those head things that.
• 23:42
  Speaker 7: Dog wears to prevent from biting himself.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: Everyone on the team is going to neck breaks anyway.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: That was the That was the request from one of
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: the listeners to this podcast. You knew at the beginning
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: of it it was going to end with you yelling
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: out I've been exposed.
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: I mean, eventually you just gotta came in and laugh
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: at yourself and have fun because the beatdown is just
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: too much to take. I mean, but listen, hawk I
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: was the first guy off the bus. I was the
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: last guy to leave. I was a team player. I mean,
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: those are the things I did for Clark University. I'm
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: certain if you go there right now to the Clark
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: University website, I still hold many of the records.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: I do he is doubling down in the year two
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: thy and twenty six, he is doubling down. I do
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: like that your biggest accolade now continues to be I
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: was at the ultimate team player first off the bus.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, oh my god.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: Anyway, if you want to hear something on the podcast radio,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: mark Hawkman on Instagram and we will we'll get to it.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: If you want a.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: Cameo from me and Stu Gotts, we were at Meisner
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: Park this week recording cameo this week.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: Last week I thought.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: We had an emergency cameo. Tod do you were on
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: the road somewhere did I had to.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: Reach out to the guy because I was in Tampa
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: and you were out of town and we weren't gonna
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: be able to get together. So I had to reach
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: out to him and tell him to rebook it because
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: he had done a twenty four hour cameo and I
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: was stuck on an Amtrak train. I don't even want
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: to get into the story, but I was stuck on
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: an Amtrak train in the middle of nowhere, no power
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: on the train, and just sat there baking in.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: The sun for four hours.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: What But that's a story for another time. Okay, if
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: you'd like a cameo, go to Cameo look for Mark
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: Hauckman and Stu Gotts and I we'll do one for you.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: I did get a text during our recording here from
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Buddha at dec. Eighty four and Burt Max's yeah, said
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: did you like Do you like the Hurricanes today agency tournament?
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: Because I don't have to work, said, I don't know
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: if you want to take gambling advice from me. I
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: was all over Myron Gardner the night Bam scored eighty three.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: I wanted it to end right there, but I know
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: I have to do three nicknames. You got to do
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: three nicknames.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Burton max Is, by the way, is a fantastic restaurant
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: in West.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Delray Beach and Buddha runs the place.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: Deck eighty four is a fantastic restaurant on Atlantic Avenue
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: in Delray Beach, right by the intra Coastal. If you're
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: looking good.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: Fish dip, there's a fantastic yeah uh hawk. Just quickly
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: on the lacrosse stuff.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: The point I was making about John Stevens and him
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: leaving after my freshman year.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: We had four wins that year.
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: He was a good coach and they recruited me and
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: I was one of the top recruits in the country,
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: and we were headed in the right direction. And then
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: this guy Stevens who recruits me to Clark Universe City,
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: he leaves and goes to babs It and the guy
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: that replaced him, Jim Cantrill, was a complete Zett.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Four and twenty eight, four and twenty eight career record.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: Stevens was eight and eleven and we lost him. He
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: was like the Jimmy Johnson of Clark University men's lacrosse.
• 27:17
  Speaker 6: I mean, would have been different in today's college sports.
• 27:20
  Speaker 6: You could have went to Babson with him in the portal.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: I know, true.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we were at a little too a little too
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: far away from that.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but Bapson was a little too good. I liked
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: it at Clark where I was the BMOC.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: You know you still believe in twenty twenty six that
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: your name is in some of the Clark record books
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: for lacrosse.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: I did, I did somewhere there. But I gotta tell
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: you this, John Toto had a career. I mean.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: He never end the with Stu Gotson Hawkman podcast until
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: the big Man on Campus can name three athlete nicknames? Yeah,
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: Reggie Jackson, mister October very good, Kenny Stabler the Snake.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: Do I go really difficult here? Or do I punctuate
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: what has been a fun episode?
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Oh good? How about you really digging deep here? Huh?
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Because I don't know if I want to continue? And
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: uh oh? How about uh? Adam Jones Adam Jones, Adam Jones.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: You probably never have heard him as Adam Jones before.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: Like there's an Aaron Jones.
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: Who is Adam Jones the baseball player, no football player,
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: Adam Jones.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna say jonesy.
• 28:56
  Speaker 6: You know him by you know him by his nicknames?
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: You only know him by his name name.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: So this is the rare one where if he gave
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: me the nickname, I would then get his real name.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: I don't think you would.
• 29:05
  Speaker 6: Think legal troubles, think video games.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, pac Man Jones can't. Oh my god, I have
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: to start over. I'm gonna have to start over.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Oh my what he's on the show all the time,
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: pac Man Jones, you never knew was Adam Jones.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: But if you hear just the name Adam Jones, no
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: one would make that correlation.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: No one, right.
• 29:27
  Speaker 6: I thought you meant the Oriole too.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 29:30
  Speaker 10: Yeah, Tim Duncan, big fundamental, very good, Bryant Reeves, big country,
• 29:39
  Speaker 10: Darryl Johnston.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: Most We'll see you on the next episode with Stu
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Gotts and Hawkman