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How to Select Your Show Sheep: From the Basics to the Bells & Whistles · Drench Line Podcast

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  I'm going to say sissy because that's the correct terminology.
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  But like sissy chested sissy Jordans that just look at you
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  and I just am terrified that if I have vertical pins
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  at home that they can just walk right out and escape.
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  That's a big deal for me.
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  I'm not saying that they got to be, you know, like big chested,
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  like maybe the goat boys like them, but like,
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  those things got to be opened up underneath.
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  And like, when they look at you like, I want them to be like,
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  you don't want to see me in a dark alley.
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  That's where I'm at.
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  Welcome back to the line.
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  I'm Sam Silvers with Logan Newsome.
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  This is real talk for the show industry.
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  Silver. Livestock.
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  Newsome livestock.
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  Be looking for our upcoming sales.
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  We got one actually this weekend.
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  806 live sale coming up.
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  So that's going to be a good one here that Logan and his family is putting on.
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  Yeah, we're we're right in the middle of it.
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  Obviously we're right in the middle of sheep buying season.
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  Goat buying season.
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  You know in the throes of it here in Texas we're, you know, kind of right.
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  Just just, you know, right in the middle of it got everything going.
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  And so we've got to sell this weekend.
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  So you know as we kind of talked and we kind of briefly talked last time
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  we were kind of hitting on, you know, selection and what that looks
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  like, what that looks like as far as picking one out for your kid.
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  So we're in the pen.
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  What's the one that hits you?
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  What's the thing that hits you, like first glance?
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  What's the thing that really you
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  gravitate towards whenever you're looking for that one for?
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  For the kids? Yeah.
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  So I thought about that on the way up here
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  at a 4.5 hour drive and tried to space out as the kids were in the back seat.
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  You know, telling each other how much they hate each other
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  and slapping and kicking and fighting.
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  So you tend to kind of zone out.
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  I'm sure you do that as a dad as well. I don't know.
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  No, we I tell them usually what we try to do when we're driving is
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  I tell them three things that I'm I'm proud of them.
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  Okay,
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  maybe I need to start doing that.
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  So I was thinking about
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  this topic on the way up here, and it's like
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  I just try to go back into my in my mind and replay,
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  like when I was at your house on Tuesday and we walked in to a sheep.
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  What?
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  Because it's kind of like second nature to me at this point, right?
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  That's all trying to replay in my mind.
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  Like, what is the one thing that the one thing that I look for first?
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  And, you know, typically there's
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  a, there's a group of lambs in there that are kind of all bunched up together.
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  I think the, the one thing that I look for is body shape,
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  maybe center body and forearm.
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  Those are the two first things
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  that I look at before I say, hey, catch that one right there.
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  Whenever you walk into the pen, like, are you one of those that like as
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  they come into the pen, you know, maybe you're looking at somebody's house
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  and I've struggled with this a little bit,
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  being, you know, in sales mode as a breeder.
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  And also like whenever I go to somebody's house, like,
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  you like to watch them, you know, run around, move around,
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  you know, sometimes maybe they kind of act crazy, like you said, they all bunch up.
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  Would you rather watch those things move,
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  watch them for a little while, and then tell whoever's in the pen
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  with you, whether it's the kids or maybe the breeder?
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  Hey, catch this one, catch that one.
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  Or would you rather that breeder, maybe, you know, hone in on
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  some of the ones that he likes
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  and just start showing them to you, and then you're taking notes on your phone?
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  Yeah.
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  You know, I don't I don't think that it really matters to me.
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  I think whatever that breeder wants to do is fine.
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  If he wants to go in there and start catching them, he or she,
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  and showing them, because
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  typically these things that we're looking at are going to be in an online sell
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  more than likely now or some sale of some sort.
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  So, you know, if they catch them and they catch them in the order
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  they're going to put them in, it's kind of neat to just go through them all and
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  start taking notes as they go, you know, and I, I think you owe that to them.
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  Right. A little bit.
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  Because even if you don't like the sheep, they're still proud of him.
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  And they've put a lot of time effort into them.
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  So let them show them to you and, you know, keep it, keep your comments
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  to yourself right on your phone, you know, hey, that one sucks.
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  Whatever.
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  That's kind of how I feel about it.
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  Yeah, that's kind of how we are, you know,
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  and I and I always, like I said, always kind of, you know,
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  I guess whenever
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  I'm showing sheep at the house and we have customers that are looking,
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  I'll kind of wait for a little while and, you know, I'll let them kind of,
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  you know, watch them walk around.
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  And then if they don't come out initially and say, oh, hey, what's that one?
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  Catch that one, then I'll just kind of start going through,
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  you know, maybe my routine, but I like it.
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  Also whenever I'm at someone's house and I'm, you know, on the purchasing
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  side of it, those guys have been looking at those sheep since they were in the jug.
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  Like, we're in there for a small window.
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  You're looking you're trying to make notes on your phone.
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  You know, hopefully maybe you're going to get a chance to see them again,
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  you know, or go back through them or whatever.
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  But those guys have seen them since they were in the jugs,
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  you know, from the time they did, you know,
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  did tails on them and marked them and you know, all the things
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  they've seen them for 50, 60, 70 days of their life.
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  They know what their moms are like. I want their opinion.
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  I want to see kind of the ones that they like.
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  And, you know, and that's one thing that we talked about in the last episode,
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  you know, having those conversations with those guys, having
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  those conversations with those breeders, because those guys have now
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  if they're like me and I'm sure you're probably the same way, like,
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  I'm very opinionated of some of them and I'm probably a little more passionate of,
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  like, you know, certain ewes and certain new lines or maybe certain books.
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  And I'm like, man, I know that thing's going to feed.
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  I know there's going to be some good stuff there,
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  even if he's the skinny little ratty one or whatever that looks like.
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  But, I mean, it's one of those deals that like having those conversations
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  with those guys and seeing which ones they like.
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  And again, going back to our, you know, that
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  second episode where we're talking about what's your goal?
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  Where are you going?
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  Okay. You know, let's talk about the elephant in the room.
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  Where are we at budget wise?
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  Like let's kind of get a handle and let those guys maybe
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  guide you a little bit of, okay, you know, I think the biggest thing that
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  we've probably tried to do the last week while we've been showing the set
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  that we've got that we're selling on Saturday,
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  that's one of the deeper sets that I feel like we've put together personally.
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  And it can be a deal if you're not fairly advanced
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  and kind of have a good idea of what you're after,
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  it could be a little overwhelming if you walk in there into that,
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  you know, a couple of those pens and just like,
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  you know,
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  maybe aren't quite as advanced in your selection, or maybe you're a newer family
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  and you're trying to learn and trying to get through it, like all of a sudden
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  you're like, oh man, I've got 15 of these things wrote down.
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  Like, which 1 a.m. I going to buy?
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  And so I think that's where you can
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  kind of rely on that breeder of, okay, hey, I started these, I liked these.
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  You set them up, things looked good.
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  I liked this about them. I liked that about them.
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  If I'm going to San Antonio or I'm going to Houston, which one do you like?
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  Maybe give me three numbers.
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  And that's what we try to always kind of like work off of, you know.
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  Okay, hey, that's there's 3 or 4
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  of those there that I like for this show or hey, there's 3 or 4 that I like.
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  Maybe within this particular budget that I could see kind of being there.
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  And, you know, I always slide a little sleeper in the deal whenever,
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  you know, I'm in I'm in sales mode a little bit and I'm like, hey, I like lot
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  one, lot three, lot five.
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  But I really like a lot 11 if that thing stays undervalued,
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  like, I could see that sheep feeding really well
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  and I could see him doing doing well down the road.
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  And so, you know,
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  I guess just to kind of kick back what we talked about,
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  you know, in that last episode where we were talking about,
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  you know, having that dialog with, with breeders and just kind of
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  having interaction and, you know, getting a feel for where you need to be.
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  What he initially what do you you know, I say that center body.
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  Sure.
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  That's probably the first initial thing that I look for.
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  And I know we can go a lot further in depth
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  and go down a rabbit hole and talk about what those terms mean.
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  But I would challenge the audience probably to to look up those terms
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  and get the descriptions for those.
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  But what does Logan Newsome look for when when he walks into him?
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  What's the first thing that catches your eye?
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  Yeah.
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  So I mean, I think that's, you know,
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  obviously two big, big indicators that we're big on body shape and forearm.
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  You know, like I do think that forearm is one of those things that personally
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  I feel like maybe has isn't focused on quite as much as it, it should be.
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  You know, it probably still come maybe a little bit old school.
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  And that's probably, you know, judging team coaches
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  whenever we were eight, nine, ten years old.
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  And they're talking about the indicators of muscle, you know, long term.
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  And so arms still like a big deal that I just probably naturally gravitate
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  towards body shapes big for us.
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  I think at the same time and, you know, we talk and I had this conversation
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  with a guy earlier, we were talking about Texas majors.
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  Those things got to be big hit and they got to be big pinned.
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  And if they are not big hipped and big pinned and just kind of
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  have that just look whenever and it's it's such an easy thing to see.
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  It's one of those deals that it can't be hid, you know, from a show or standpoint
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  or, you know,
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  it doesn't matter if they're propped up or they're loose,
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  like when those things run by their either big hipped or they're not.
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  And, you know, I think a lot of that obviously can relate to,
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  you know, expansion up high and, you know, just what kind of sheep that is.
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  Like, we don't find many of those things that are, you know, big forearm,
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  big ribbed and big hips
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  that are, you know, frail, featured and sissy jawed and all that.
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  I mean, those, those kind of things a lot of times
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  will always go hand in hand.
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  So, you know, we talked last time and like we show in Texas,
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  muscle still drives it like those things have to have muscle.
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  These are market shows.
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  These are, you know, things that we have to have,
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  you know, and really
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  like, you know, we can say in Texas like that's true everywhere.
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  Like these are market shows. These things have to be stout.
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  They have to have muscle.
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  And so, you know, once we kind of start going past that and we start looking
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  at those things, you know, like you said, forearm body shape, big pins.
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  Like you start kind of checking off a few of those boxes of like,
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  hey, that one might be pretty good. Let's catch him.
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  You know?
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  And I guess that's kind of where, where we probably land.
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  And then and then that kind of, you know, the unique part about those things
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  in my mind is those are all things that you can see loose.
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  You can see those sheep, you can analyze all of those those indicators,
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  even if you're in the pen by yourself, even if you're at home watching, you know,
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  hey, this is my project.
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  And you know, that judge said this about him or,
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  you know, do I think this is good or do I think this is bad?
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  That's just reading the livestock.
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  You know, that's just some
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  some evaluation skills there that, you know, you can kind of develop.
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  And those are all things that you don't have to have,
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  you know, the kids setting them up or,
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  you know, the breeder or whatever that looks like.
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  That's just things that like initially,
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  like when they're loose, when they're running around,
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  when they first walk in the pen, boom, boom, boom.
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  Those are the things that we're we're going after.
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  What do you think the what's the one floor
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  that you can't put up with in a, in a sheep or a goat.
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  What's what's the what's the one thing that's like, I'm out.
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  Can't do it. It's done.
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  I don't I don't know that's going to I mean that again.
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  You know we kind of talked about you know,
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  how how far down a rabbit hole like do you want to go like,
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  I'm going to say sissy because that's the correct terminology.
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  But like sissy chested sissy Jordan's that just look at you.
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  And I just am terrified that if I have vertical pens at home
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  that they can just walk right out and escape, that's a big deal for me.
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  Like, I'm not saying that they got to be, you know, like big chested,
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  like maybe the goat boys like them, but like,
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  those things got to be opened up underneath.
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  And like, when they look at you like, I want them to be like,
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  you don't want to see me in a dark alley.
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  That's where I'm at.
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  Kind of remind you?
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  It's it's. It's it's like you.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  I mean,
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  you know, the vertical panel deal.
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  Like, I could see you slipping through some from time to time.
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  Do some. Correct.
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  I think I think for me,
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  I don't know, maybe it changes a little bit.
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  Right.
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  And I think it it to me it changes because this industry changes so fast, so quick.
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  And then we have a different set of judges and evaluators
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  every year that are going to take different animals.
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  And, you know, probably my hot take is, is don't always buy the sheep you like.
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  Sometimes you got to feed the sheep to fit the judge.
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  So, you know, at the end of the spring when you're sitting there
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  pissing and moaning because you got beat, it's probably because you showed a sheep
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  you like.
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  You didn't take the sheep that the judge likes.
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  And like that a lot.
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  And like, that is such a, you know, it's such an easy thing to hedge.
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  But at the same time it's like maybe the hardest thing
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  because if you have like a strong opinion and if, you know,
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  especially I would say the guys that are breeders,
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  you know, and maybe we consider ourselves good at this,
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  like you've got a cond like, and you probably raise the kind that you like.
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  So therefore in turn, you want to show the con you like,
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  you know, all this stuff and that's perfectly fine.
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  Like, I don't,
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  I don't I don't love looking at sheep that maybe I don't particularly like,
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  but it's this game that we play and like, we've got these guys, you know that that.
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  And I'm not saying they're right and I'm not saying they're wrong.
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  Like, but we've got these guys
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  that they prioritize things differently than what we do.
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  They might sit here for,
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  you know, these first couple of things that we've talked about
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  and they're like, well, those guys are dumbasses.
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  Like they don't know what they're talking about.
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  That's cool.
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  Like I have no problem with that.
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  But if you kind of, you know, do some do your homework
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  a little and you're educated on who it is,
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  or maybe you've showed to them, that's always been the deal that I that
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  where I'm at on like guys that we show to I don't care if they like the kind that I
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  that I've got, I don't care if they don't like them.
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  And I really don't care that first time if we win or lose,
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  I just want the next time we show to them for there to be some consistency
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  with what they did the last time.
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  Because if I got beat the first time, I'm going to take notes.
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  I'd be like, okay, so and so liked them like this.
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  Maybe I don't necessarily agree with him 100%, but I saw what he was doing.
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  I understood it, okay, I'm going to go home and like next time
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  we've got him at this show or that show, I'm going to be ready.
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  And so that's the thing that, you know, wrapping into that, you know, difference.
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  And you know, with that
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  with different evaluators and like what you said like, yeah, you.
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  Take notes.
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  You know, I don't I don't do this.
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  But I still remember when I was a kid and we would haul the that's
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  when LA was big and we were hauling to, you know, 5060 jackpots a year.
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  And I still remember my mom had a little like book.
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  Yeah.
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  She would write all the placings down and she would write down
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  what the judges like didn't like.
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  And we had all that in a book. Yeah.
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  To watch. Absolutely.
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  So it's kind of neat.
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  So when we went to selecting stuff later on, we kind of knew what to hall to.
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  Well, and I think the unique part about today's world as compared
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  to what we were doing back then, you know, we're talking, you know, late
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  90s, early 2000, like all you have to do is jump on Facebook, YouTube,
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  you know, ringside, like, I mean, a lot of these shows are,
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  you know, filmed and, you know, products and rewatch it, like,
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  hear what those guys say, listen to them like, hey, every time that Conor
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  Brew judges, man, like he keeps saying these words like,
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  I need to figure out
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  what he's saying about that because he's doing my county show or,
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  you know, Steve is doing this
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  like he keeps talking about this kind that he likes, that he likes.
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  I mean, we have such a unique disposal of tools available for, for where
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  we're at in today's, you know, in today's game
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  as compared to like what you talked about, you know, like,
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  all right, we're gonna drive across the country.
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  We have to show this guy we don't know what he really likes.
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  Like, have you ever heard of him?
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  I mean, how many times you heard that?
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  Have you heard of this guy? Like, I don't have any idea who he is, you know?
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  And you go show it to him.
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  You're like, oh, he is good or he's bad or, you know, whatever that looks like.
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  But yeah, I mean, kind of do your homework.
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  I mean, and, and I knew that I was going to bring this up at some point.
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  And it's challenging.
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  And I know there's probably going to be some of my buddies that, you know, say
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  that I'm a little bit full of it, but I've always tried whenever we jackpot
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  and those guys and I know we're kind of going down the,
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  you know, the, the judge deal.
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  But I think it's important whenever we go in jackpot and we show to these guys,
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  I don't care at all
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  what they're saying or how we place.
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  I just I just want to be like,
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  I want to see what our stock looks like out in the ring and in a big ring.
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  I want to see what they look like, and I want to see what they
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  what we can kind of go home with.
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  And then I also want to see, okay, why he didn't like this one
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  or why he didn't like that one, or maybe why he did like that one, you know.
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  And we got along very, very well that day.
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  But I don't necessarily care about the placing like it's just a scrimmage.
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  Like we all, you know, go to these jackpots
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  and like you want to win and you want to be successful.
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  But like at the end of the day
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  you're just kind of a bunch of scrimmages leading up to this one big game.
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  And so we've always tried to like kind of push the results
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  away, you know, and focus more on, hey, what did that thing look like?
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  How do I need to change some stuff whenever I get home?
• 17:17
  What can the kids do better?
• 17:19
  Show in wise, like all the different, you know, little things
• 17:22
  and just be very objective with it instead of leaving their kick in the
• 17:25
  bucket like, man, that got put me third and those two in front of me were awful.
• 17:29
  And so we've always kind of tried to do that like preseason.
• 17:32
  Yeah like preseason
• 17:33
  like and just kind of look at it from that standpoint and be like, okay,
• 17:36
  this is what I got to do.
• 17:37
  I know that I'm showing down the road and I know
• 17:39
  kind of what I need to do and how I need to make sure things,
• 17:41
  you know, continue to evolve and move forward this way.
• 17:43
  But at the same time.
• 17:45
  Hey, that guy kept saying that he didn't like my sheep or my goat because of this.
• 17:50
  I need to kind of file that away and remember,
• 17:52
  because the next time I showed to him, I want to have one of those.
• 17:54
  So we talked about, you know, obviously getting too far on the judges.
• 18:00
  We talked about initial selection. Right.
• 18:02
  And we both agreed that center body forearm is an initial call.
• 18:07
  We look at we talked about something that, you know, you had stated that
• 18:13
  your one absolute turnoff is going to be,
• 18:17
  you know, sissy chested and sissy John
• 18:21
  knows chest with to him something like that.
• 18:23
  I think to me
• 18:26
  it absolutely turned off to me is, you know, hind legs.
• 18:29
  Yeah.
• 18:29
  I mean if he's got a terrible hind leg on it,
• 18:32
  I'm out and we can look that in a million different ways.
• 18:36
  But to me, if I'm looking at them behind them and their hawks bow out, I'm out.
• 18:41
  I'm done from that that point forward so well.
• 18:44
  And I think that obviously goes into I shouldn't say maybe obviously.
• 18:48
  But you know, something that we've probably and we've probably all done it.
• 18:50
  We've made that mistake like, oh, maybe if I trim his feet or, you know,
• 18:54
  maybe if I, you know, take him slow or, you know, whatever that looks like.
• 18:57
  It's one of those things structurally.
• 19:00
  And that's why, you know, you listen to livestock judging one on one.
• 19:03
  And, you know, guys will preach structure just so much like a feed bucket
• 19:06
  and exercise program doesn't change it, right.
• 19:09
  You know, like it's one of those deals like,
• 19:11
  you know, sometimes like, hey, if I could, you know, get a little extra
• 19:14
  bark on that one, I can maybe make him look a little wider than he is or,
• 19:18
  hey, if I really, really treadmill, I can make that one stifle,
• 19:21
  you know, a little bubbly or,
• 19:22
  and, you know, a little more shape or, you know, whatever that looks like.
• 19:25
  Hind leg structure floors
• 19:28
  can't.
• 19:29
  Change it.
• 19:29
  And always say you can't polish a turd and you can.
• 19:31
  Fact I've never tried.
• 19:36
  That's you know, you can polish in stone to a high shine,
• 19:38
  polish some stuff, maybe into a diamond, but definitely.
• 19:41
  Not a turd.
• 19:42
  Okay, so we're in the we're in the we're in the pen still.
• 19:46
  We're, we're we're analyzing these things.
• 19:49
  You know guys,
• 19:50
  maybe maybe they've given us a chance to watch them kind of move around
• 19:54
  the big forearmed one that's big center body, big flat hip.
• 19:58
  We got him pulled out.
• 19:59
  We got him pulled out and set up.
• 20:01
  What are we looking at now? Now we set up.
• 20:03
  What are we looking at now.
• 20:04
  So I'm in I guess
• 20:08
  maybe I'm a little, you know, prototypical Texan, I guess maybe, you know,
• 20:13
  kind of grew up in that era, maybe pop a K just kind of beat it into my head.
• 20:17
  Then things got a touch good.
• 20:19
  Like if they don't touch, good if they're not crispy, hard.
• 20:25
  Shapely, I just and, you know, going
• 20:28
  back to that deal, other guys can disagree and that's perfectly fine.
• 20:31
  But like,
• 20:32
  we like those things to touch big and we like them to touch shapely and firm.
• 20:36
  And again,
• 20:38
  you know, that's kind of going back to some of those indicators of muscle.
• 20:41
  Like we talked about that kind of being, you know, still the focal point.
• 20:44
  Like if they're big rolled up back, if their edges are big,
• 20:48
  if they're loins big, like those things have muscle.
• 20:51
  And, you know,
• 20:51
  a lot of times the unique part is you can you can see it even before you touch it.
• 20:55
  You know, the ones that are little butterfly backed and rolled up.
• 20:58
  And then you touch them and they're like, oh man, that one handles good.
• 21:01
  Yeah.
• 21:02
  So and I think to me that, that me too because I always.
• 21:08
  Kyle Smithwick said this one time he said you know the backs.
• 21:12
  The first thing that that judge is going to evaluate.
• 21:14
  I mean, obviously he's going to see him
• 21:16
  walk in the ring, but they're going to touch.
• 21:18
  That's how in 90% of our shows in Texas, right?
• 21:21
  Sure, if you're going to get a pool, it's going to be on the handle.
• 21:24
  And that's when we're going to know you're going to go through the scale,
• 21:26
  and you're probably going to be in the top end to make the sale. Yep.
• 21:29
  Potentially make the sale. Yeah.
• 21:30
  They've got to handle
• 21:31
  they've got to have some one edge shape to them that's big to me.
• 21:34
  I love a big one edge. And she
• 21:37
  but I'm with you on that handle.
• 21:40
  Touch quality I think is really important.
• 21:42
  Then I think that's when you start sprinkling
• 21:44
  in some of the other stuff, like, you know, bled and died.
• 21:48
  Is it is it short enough?
• 21:49
  Is this chess good enough?
• 21:51
  Is this rear flying good enough?
• 21:53
  That's when you start kind of throwing in those other things.
• 21:55
  But you know, center body, forearm touch, side view shape,
• 22:01
  those are things that I'm going to initially sought
• 22:04
  to get that one to the top before I start making a commit
• 22:07
  of whether I want to, to purchase this animal or not.
• 22:10
  Yeah. And I think you said it. You know, I think that's probably the biggest key.
• 22:12
  Like as we talk about this, you know, we kind of, you know, offer some sort of,
• 22:16
  you know, educational tidbits for people that,
• 22:18
  you know, might be new or or wanting to learn or get better or just,
• 22:22
  you know, driving down the road and have absolutely nothing else to do.
• 22:25
  But if you think about it like it is, like we've seen it
• 22:29
  countless times and, you know, like maybe the, you know, some of the
• 22:32
  some of the Midwest shows might vary in this just a little bit.
• 22:35
  But you think about, like our Texas major show scene
• 22:37
  and you think about cell spots and kids making the sale.
• 22:40
  And at the end of the day, like, for
• 22:44
  hell, I would say all of us, like, that's still the goal.
• 22:46
  Like, you want to get pain on their back, right?
• 22:48
  And yes, you know, a judge when they walk in
• 22:52
  80, walk in a class, maybe he does pull five.
• 22:55
  Well, there's still you know, let's take Houston for instance.
• 22:58
  There's still 13 sale spots.
• 22:59
  You know, that we're all fighting for. Right.
• 23:01
  And so we stack those things in rear view.
• 23:04
  And like you said, they go to handling them.
• 23:06
  And if those sayings are squishy or handle
• 23:09
  like a nerve football
• 23:12
  or they're this fight like it's not going to matter.
• 23:15
  Like it's not like they could have the biggest, whitest legs, you know,
• 23:19
  kid could do a killer good job showing like a lot of different things.
• 23:21
  But like they stack them in there for a reason, like,
• 23:24
  and they go to handle them.
• 23:25
  And so you, you might have multiple flaws with that sheet.
• 23:29
  Maybe.
• 23:30
  Maybe, you know, maybe he's a, you know, a little chubby over his ribs,
• 23:33
  maybe his necks a little short, you know, maybe in motion.
• 23:36
  His hip and hind leg doesn't hinge and work the right way.
• 23:38
  But if we'll stack those things in and you get that good first, handle him
• 23:44
  sometimes, like you can kind of slip in there
• 23:46
  and get you a cell spot
• 23:47
  with one that you're just kind of like, oh, glad we got that one dotted.
• 23:50
  Like, because, you know, I mean, we've all been there.
• 23:52
  Like we all try to chase around and buy the great ones.
• 23:55
  And you know, we're all trying to find the one that will win.
• 23:56
  But like sometimes at the end of the day, if we're being realistic,
• 23:59
  you know, you kind of get out there in some of those classes and you're like,
• 24:02
  dude, there was 15 in there that were good.
• 24:05
  I'm just glad that I was 16 and I got a cell check.
• 24:07
  You know, I remember talking to my crew after Houston this year,
• 24:12
  and I, we took a chance on some sheep last year that we had bought
• 24:15
  and put it into different people's hands that were, you know, cooler looking.
• 24:20
  The shallow were cooler looking ones that run uphill
• 24:23
  and get into that big room somewhere like Houston.
• 24:26
  I mean, get your teeth kicked in.
• 24:28
  And I told my career where I said we were never
• 24:31
  not buying sheep again that don't have muscle. Yep.
• 24:34
  Yeah.
• 24:35
  We're going to put that foremost and up front because
• 24:38
  like you said, at the worst we come out of there with a sale slot.
• 24:42
  Absolutely not winning.
• 24:44
  But we're going to come out of there with the sale slot and we can save face.
• 24:47
  Absolutely. Yeah.
• 24:49
  You know me, I've been on this golf cake here, you know.
• 24:51
  Yeah. We can get up, up and down.
• 24:53
  42 years later right.
• 24:55
  Look at you.
• 24:55
  Oh my goodness.
• 24:57
  You read that somewhere.
• 24:58
  I did not read that.
• 25:00
  Holy cow. Let's play a lot of golf and that.
• 25:02
  And that's the deal.
• 25:03
  And I mean like we talk about it like save face, but also for what we're,
• 25:07
  you know, doing in the you know again, we're probably going to, you know,
• 25:10
  reference the Texas, you know, major show seen a lot because it's obviously,
• 25:13
  you know our bread and butter but like save face get a cell check.
• 25:17
  Right. You know like I mean we're all in the same boat.
• 25:20
  Like that helps.
• 25:21
  That helps us play next year
• 25:22
  like that lets us put the coins in, you know, and let the game continue.
• 25:25
  Now, we're not saying go out there and find the ugliest pin that is
• 25:30
  in there.
• 25:31
  It's not what we're saying.
• 25:32
  So some that are just too much. Yeah.
• 25:35
  And with that being said, so like, you know, like you said okay.
• 25:37
  So we're you know, we've found this, you know,
• 25:39
  we found a handful of them, maybe we've sorted them into a pin,
• 25:41
  you know, and, and I think as we kind of talk about that,
• 25:44
  if you, if you go to people's house and you know, you're looking
• 25:47
  and maybe this doesn't necessarily work great like in a, in a live sale situation,
• 25:52
  but we try to do it a lot like the way that our stuff set up.
• 25:55
  I always tell people like, hey,
• 25:56
  if you want to sort a few of these over and look at them later amongst, you know,
• 25:59
  kind of the ones you like, like it's just sort and stock like, let's do it.
• 26:02
  And so let's say that, you know, we've got 6 or 8 of these things
• 26:06
  that we've got sorted over there. Big armed.
• 26:09
  They're big bodied, they handle good.
• 26:11
  We've set them up and they handle good. And their pin bones are big.
• 26:14
  Like they've checked a lot of the boxes. Right?
• 26:15
  I mean, kind of a pretty good one so far.
• 26:18
  Okay. Bells and whistles. We've got them.
• 26:21
  We've got them turned sideways.
• 26:22
  And I. Think. Ship setting them up. Where are we at?
• 26:25
  I think the bells and whistles is what separates us from
• 26:29
  $3,500 sheet to a 15 or $20,000.
• 26:34
  Would you agree with that?
• 26:34
  I would agree, I would agree, and I think that's what you know,
• 26:38
  and I think, you know, not to deter anyone, you know, from buying them
• 26:42
  because I think, I think there's two things that.
• 26:44
  Yes, absolutely.
• 26:45
  The, the high end pieces, the intangibles that are hard to make, the,
• 26:48
  the things that make that animal unique and no different than, you know,
• 26:52
  the things that make a painting unique or, you know, a vintage book
• 26:56
  or anything else.
• 26:57
  Like there are things about each particular one, you know,
• 27:01
  that might set that one apart from his contemporaries.
• 27:04
  And that's where you know, that one all of a sudden, you know, has more value.
• 27:09
  Now that value is determined by the market.
• 27:13
  A lot of times, you know, guys bidding online, guys buying in a lot of sale.
• 27:17
  And I think we also have to, you know, like kind of keep in the back of our mind
• 27:21
  and remember like that could also just be two guys that decided,
• 27:25
  hey I want that one. Right?
• 27:27
  I want that one bad.
• 27:28
  Like I believe the term is pissing contest.
• 27:31
  Where two fools met.
• 27:32
  Yep. There you go.
• 27:33
  And you know, so like those two guys, I mean, look across the aisle and say,
• 27:38
  let's get it on.
• 27:39
  And and, you know, that might be the difference in,
• 27:42
  you know, one bringing X amount and bringing, you know, three x amount.
• 27:46
  So but so we've got those things
• 27:49
  you know, we've got we've got them turned sideways.
• 27:50
  What what are if we're if we're going to hit on,
• 27:52
  you know, 1 or 2 of those things or, you know, maybe just doesn't have to,
• 27:55
  you know, obviously limit it.
• 27:56
  But bells and whistles, what are they.
• 27:59
  Bells and whistles to me.
• 28:00
  You know, this is a hot topic right now.
• 28:03
  But they got enough fur on their legs.
• 28:06
  And does that fur match their foot size?
• 28:08
  Sure. I think that's key to right.
• 28:10
  There's some furry ones out there that are dime footed.
• 28:13
  Yeah. Look like a baby deer.
• 28:15
  Yeah I can't stand that.
• 28:18
  But fur.
• 28:19
  Sure.
• 28:20
  I think a chest, the shallowness of their chest.
• 28:24
  You know, how far is that thing shoved up in their sternum?
• 28:27
  Shoved up in them?
• 28:29
  And then probably,
• 28:31
  you know, probably they're coloring, right?
• 28:34
  I hate to say that, too, but, you know, if they've got all those things we just
• 28:38
  talked about and they're white featured on top of it,
• 28:42
  that's probably going to set you apart, right? Well, it is.
• 28:44
  And you know, it's not that it's a deal necessarily.
• 28:48
  And I see this all the time online candy.
• 28:50
  You can't eat shag or you know like color shouldn't matter.
• 28:54
  And I'm not arguing with that.
• 28:56
  But at the end of the day, we're also trying to separate ourselves.
• 29:00
  80 sheep walk into the class at San Antonio.
• 29:02
  Houston.
• 29:03
  Like, you got to think about the things that are going to make you different, like
• 29:07
  make that judge actually just give you that extra,
• 29:11
  like look to see all of those things that we checked off.
• 29:14
  Big arm, big body, you know, big pin bones, like all that stuff.
• 29:17
  And like I find it a little bit comical.
• 29:20
  And honestly, I think it just doesn't make any sense.
• 29:22
  Like those judges aren't sorting them on leg hair or fuzz,
• 29:29
  but it might have been something that like gravitate towards.
• 29:32
  And it does.
• 29:33
  It gives them like a good look, like they stand out, you know, green shavings
• 29:37
  at Houston, bright lights, and you got one that's just snow white colored.
• 29:40
  Like they're going to pop, like they're going to look.
• 29:42
  And so it might just be a deal that makes them look, you know,
• 29:45
  hey, I need to I need to look at that thing is pretty cool.
• 29:47
  Looks good moving around, whatever the case may be.
• 29:49
  And so it's not a I guarantee if you if you we took a panel and we, you know,
• 29:54
  we pulled the best 100 evaluators and we stuck them all in a room.
• 29:59
  Hey, where do you prioritize leg hair?
• 30:02
  None of them are even going to have it on.
• 30:04
  It's just a, you know, it's just a thing that kind of is a part of our deal
• 30:08
  right now. And it's just something that might kind of give you, you know.
• 30:10
  It's an indicator. Indicator. Yeah.
• 30:12
  To me, it's an indicator that that that animal has been properly cared for.
• 30:16
  Sure. Absolutely agree with that 1,000%.
• 30:19
  You know, they polished the chrome on this
• 30:22
  before they went to the car show that they've taken the time, the effort.
• 30:25
  It's there. Yeah. That's just an indicator.
• 30:28
  Yeah absolutely.
• 30:29
  And it is it's it's something that
• 30:30
  you know I think without question I mean we've all seen it.
• 30:32
  We've all spent
• 30:33
  the time, you know, you know doing legs or you know, whatever that looks like.
• 30:37
  But yeah, it you see that kid out there that you know, their leg
• 30:41
  is big and pretty and groomed well and it's like, hey,
• 30:43
  that kid's probably been busting his tail, like making that all look good.
• 30:46
  Like, you know.
• 30:47
  And I think we're to the point now to that, that
• 30:51
  the really obnoxiously haired ones.
• 30:54
  Yeah. There.
• 30:55
  No, no, it's almost too much.
• 30:57
  But the ones you see, that's nice. It's fit.
• 31:00
  It's been trimmed.
• 31:01
  Cleaned up good. Looks good. Well.
• 31:03
  And where the industry is at from a, you know, from
• 31:05
  especially I mean and I know we're obviously talking.
• 31:08
  Well hey let's be honest.
• 31:09
  Like the goat world's kind of following the same deal that,
• 31:11
  you know, we probably did 5 or 6 years ago in the sheep.
• 31:14
  You know, as far as some of those things, breeders, you know,
• 31:17
  maybe paying a little more attention and some of those things,
• 31:19
  you know, being a little hairy or legged or, or whatever.
• 31:22
  But I think if you sit back and like,
• 31:25
  especially in the sheep side, everybody's made them fuzzy.
• 31:29
  It's just kind of a wash right now, you know,
• 31:31
  like on the good ones, like they're all like their Hampshire influence,
• 31:35
  especially if it's tended to, well, long term.
• 31:38
  Now we have them and, you know, they're, they're, you know, scattered everywhere.
• 31:43
  I know every breeder has them like, hey, that one's not real fuzzy right
• 31:46
  now, but like, hey, he's out of this and this and this.
• 31:49
  Like, there's plenty of they're going to get fuzzy, like, go home,
• 31:52
  take care of it, rinse and blow legs, spend some time on it.
• 31:55
  And so it just becomes a hey, as long as you tend to it, it's going to be fun.
• 32:00
  I think it's in a little bit environment driven.
• 32:03
  I take that into account when I'm selecting, like
• 32:07
  if I'm at my place in Texas or years in the Panhandle or
• 32:14
  nests right up the road kind of in between us, right?
• 32:17
  Let's just say, let's just say the western half of Texas, right?
• 32:20
  And we look at those baby lambs, they're probably not going to be
• 32:23
  as fuzzy as babies as the ones you look at in the Iowa.
• 32:26
  Sure. Yeah.
• 32:28
  Yeah. But I still don't question it.
• 32:30
  You know, I've had people come to my house and they go,
• 32:33
  I think that thing's going to be hairy enough.
• 32:34
  Well, hell yeah, he's going to be hairy enough.
• 32:36
  Yeah, absolutely. It's where we live, right.
• 32:38
  Well, it's the same way, like I'm sure.
• 32:40
  And at some point I know we'll probably have, like,
• 32:41
  you know, somebody that's a little more like,
• 32:44
  show cattle, you know, world like those guys would probably, you know,
• 32:47
  are probably like, kind of giggling at this, like the calves that come out
• 32:50
  of, you know, off some ranch in South Dakota,
• 32:53
  you know, versus the ones that come out of some place in Abilene.
• 32:56
  You know, it's probably like, yeah, there's going to be a little difference
• 32:58
  until but then they all show up, they all show it before it were.
• 33:01
  And it's like Darrell Harry.
• 33:03
  So okay.
• 33:04
  So yeah, we kind of went on that spill.
• 33:07
  And I know that's obviously a topic that we're going to continue and hit on.
• 33:10
  You know, maybe it's kind of been a little bit of a hot topic.
• 33:13
  Said anything
• 33:14
  that we're actually shooting this podcast and Hallowed Grounds right now.
• 33:19
  We are we are.
• 33:21
  I actually sent a Snapchat out when I walked in.
• 33:23
  And like, I don't actually know.
• 33:24
  I know this is a boardroom, but like all these books around,
• 33:26
  like immediately, as soon as I walked in, like, I felt a little smarter.
• 33:31
  Yeah. Like.
• 33:32
  We're shooting this at the home of champions, Texas Tech University.
• 33:36
  That's right.
• 33:36
  Yep, yep. Big big big shout.
• 33:38
  Yeah. Big shout out to the Red Raiders
• 33:41
  I guess
• 33:42
  Doctor Sam Jackson kind of got us the hook up in here.
• 33:45
  Yeah.
• 33:46
  I told somebody Wendy Scott was up here and she kind of helped us
• 33:49
  hook some of this stuff up.
• 33:50
  And I said, I don't know many ag colleges in the US where you can just walk in,
• 33:55
  walk up, peak your head in as they're setting it.
• 33:58
  Doctor Jackson in several other setting, having a board meeting.
• 34:01
  And I said.
• 34:01
  I believe they were interviewing applicants when you actually.
• 34:04
  And I said, yeah, hey, you boys have an important meeting.
• 34:07
  And they said, yeah, but they said, we'll. Be done.
• 34:10
  Kindly leaves her.
• 34:12
  More than welcome to have this when we're done.
• 34:14
  So cool. Cool to be back. Both tech grads.
• 34:17
  Yeah that that was a that was a very like whenever
• 34:20
  we had the opportunity to do this and we're going to hopefully,
• 34:23
  you know, have a chance to do some other stuff around Lubbock.
• 34:25
  But like just to I guess have, you know, them willing to.
• 34:30
  Yeah.
• 34:31
  I mean, we're obviously just kind of getting started in this
• 34:33
  and it's like, oh yeah, you want to do that? Yeah.
• 34:34
  Oh, here's the boardroom that we do everything in okay.
• 34:36
  So gut instinct versus checklist thinking yeah.
• 34:39
  Hang on I want to hit on one thing because we talked about this.
• 34:41
  And I think this can sometimes be a little bit harder maybe for folks that aren't
• 34:49
  I'm going to
• 34:50
  use the term advanced, but let's just say experienced chest.
• 34:55
  You hit on that while ago we talked about the bells and whistles.
• 34:58
  Okay.
• 34:59
  Chest, rear flying, chest to flank ratio, whatever you want to call it,
• 35:04
  that silhouette that those animals can give us from the side.
• 35:09
  Tell me why you think that matters.
• 35:12
  And where it kind of lands, as far as you know.
• 35:16
  Is that the difference in you being first or third, or is it just like, you know,
• 35:21
  kind of like the leg we'll do like, oh, hey, looks cool.
• 35:24
  Yeah.
• 35:25
  I think that to me that's what separates.
• 35:31
  I don't know if this may need to be edited.
• 35:34
  That's what separates it there between a trader sheep.
• 35:39
  And a sheep that I'm probably going to keep to try to win a major stock show.
• 35:44
  Yeah. Honestly. Yeah.
• 35:46
  Because I know if we've got the muscle
• 35:47
  in the center body and all those things, I'm going.
• 35:49
  To get all those things that we checked on. Yeah.
• 35:50
  I'm going to get up there probably in the top ten.
• 35:53
  But that's what we're going to start
• 35:54
  separating those things I don't know, matter what evaluator it is.
• 35:58
  You know the chest of flank ratio.
• 36:01
  Right.
• 36:02
  I think that's what separates probably a nice sheet
• 36:06
  to to a really good one.
• 36:08
  Well he's a feed throughout the year too right.
• 36:12
  I think those type of sheep are just easier to maintain and manage
• 36:15
  throughout the year. Right.
• 36:17
  I think that's absolutely yeah I mean, I think it kind of goes back.
• 36:20
  I think it can kind of be twofold there.
• 36:22
  Those ones that are like and you know,
• 36:26
  let's say the guys that are, you know, raising stalkers and, you know,
• 36:30
  real world stuff and, you know, the Flint Hills of Nebraska
• 36:34
  are not going to say, like, chest doesn't matter.
• 36:38
  And I would probably agree with them in that scenario.
• 36:40
  But like let's talk about flank like because we talked about them
• 36:43
  being big ribbed. Right.
• 36:44
  So you know those ones that are like big ribbed and swoopy bellied
• 36:49
  like I mean soggy flanked whatever you want to call it.
• 36:52
  Like those are going to be practical.
• 36:54
  Like so we're talking real world and you know, show Showtime.
• 36:58
  Those are going to be practical.
• 36:59
  Like maybe a little easier fleshing a little easier doing like maturity
• 37:03
  could be a little better on them instead of those ones that like
• 37:05
  maybe like, well, we kind of grew up showing like there's
• 37:07
  actually a picture in your office of like this blue one.
• 37:11
  And man, that thing was like,
• 37:14
  I bet he handled.
• 37:15
  Really good.
• 37:15
  I bet he I bet he handled incredible.
• 37:18
  Oh, I bet it was so good.
• 37:20
  But like, so we're talking about, you know, chest and flank and like
• 37:23
  I think the chest deal comes in to play
• 37:26
  maybe more of a uniqueness.
• 37:30
  Because I find myself sometimes when I'm evaluating
• 37:33
  if they are big, big center bodied
• 37:36
  and by no means do I like them deep.
• 37:39
  But like, sometimes, maybe if they're proportional
• 37:43
  and their underlying, you can be like, hey, I'm going to let that one slide.
• 37:46
  I know he's not as shallow and freaky maybe up there in terms of his chest
• 37:51
  and his sternum and all that.
• 37:52
  But like, that thing's rib cage is built like a 55 gallon drum.
• 37:55
  So while we want them big ribbed in order to put everything,
• 37:58
  you know, stack everything up on top, you know, it's kind of on those deals.
• 38:02
  Like, I get it.
• 38:03
  Especially if, like, now, if the one that's sitting right there
• 38:06
  and the one that we're
• 38:06
  trying to make a call on is shallower and still big, big rib too.
• 38:10
  Okay. No brainer.
• 38:11
  We're going to go with that one.
• 38:12
  But if it's one of those deals that maybe he's a little more closed off
• 38:15
  and like he's shallow but like, hey, that one's a little flatter
• 38:18
  in terms of his for rib.
• 38:19
  Like he offers us kind of that real, real good two dimensional look,
• 38:23
  but like he kind of step in behind him or you step in that three quarter
• 38:26
  like, man, that one just ain't pulled apart enough.
• 38:27
  That's whenever you know, the chest deal to me has always kind of been like,
• 38:32
  all right we got to pay attention to it.
• 38:33
  But like, we can't get so lost in making them shallow that we lose.
• 38:38
  You know, maybe, maybe what we're actually trying to chase as far.
• 38:42
  As and I think too, with that, with the soggy rear flank in them,
• 38:45
  you know, you can feed probably a massive amount of rear flank into them.
• 38:49
  And that's going to give them
• 38:49
  the appearance that they are shallower chested.
• 38:51
  Sure. Absolutely.
• 38:52
  Absolutely. Hate to say it, you can fool a lot of evaluators.
• 38:55
  Absolutely.
• 38:55
  Get on the mic and say, oh, this thing is so shallow.
• 38:58
  Yeah. No, I just fed a really big rear flanking.
• 39:00
  Yeah. He's he's swoopy belly. That's really all he is. You drenched him.
• 39:03
  You know he got seven guns as well and seven guns of water
• 39:07
  right before you walked in.
• 39:08
  I mean, yeah, you can you can change those things, you know.
• 39:11
  And so yeah.
• 39:11
  So that's so but but definitely like going,
• 39:14
  you know, kind of going back to what we talked about
• 39:16
  because again, we've checked, you know,
• 39:18
  maybe 4 or 5 of those big, big indicators we absolutely have to have.
• 39:22
  And now we're kind of talking about, you know, those things that are
• 39:25
  you know, they're the bells and whistles.
• 39:26
  They're the things that might highlight.
• 39:27
  And they're the ones that might make some things,
• 39:29
  you know, stand out and, you know, look different and, and all that.
• 39:34
  So price pressure, can we talk about that?
• 39:38
  Hang on.
• 39:38
  We got to hit on one thing because it's something that I think we
• 39:40
  we see it in different stages and we see it because we it
• 39:44
  depends on who's evaluating watching those sheep in motion.
• 39:49
  Okay.
• 39:49
  So we've talked about what those things look like.
• 39:52
  We've checked all the boxes.
• 39:53
  We've found the ones with the bells and whistles okay.
• 39:56
  Where are you at on I know, I know your hip and hind leg no doubt.
• 40:00
  Got to be good.
• 40:01
  Where are we at on those things moving around the ring?
• 40:05
  Kind of, you know, maybe some indicators because we've kind of checked
• 40:08
  the structural correctness box.
• 40:10
  I feel like for what we've talked about, you know, we talked about them
• 40:13
  having to be, you know, wide and open up square underneath hip and hind legs.
• 40:17
  Got to be right.
• 40:17
  So really from a structure standpoint we're pretty good.
• 40:20
  You know on this on this animal we've kind of all built up in our mind.
• 40:23
  And hopefully our listeners are driving down the road, you know,
• 40:24
  thinking, man, I'm going to go find me one of those at Logan or Sam Sales.
• 40:29
  But where are we at on those things like moving?
• 40:31
  You know, we get into that deal where sometimes guys are like,
• 40:34
  they get to the top five or let's, let's say they get to the top ten.
• 40:38
  All right, let's walk them.
• 40:39
  And then they place one and then they get to the top nine.
• 40:41
  All right. Let's walk them. And then they place one.
• 40:43
  You know we continue to do it.
• 40:44
  And they and you know they they they just kind of one in time.
• 40:47
  But we continue to walk walk, walk. It's a little track meet.
• 40:49
  And you get some guys that always say they walked them in and walked them out.
• 40:52
  Where, where, where do you land on that.
• 40:54
  Where do you find. And I know we're in.
• 40:56
  You know, it kind of goes back to the evaluator, but like, where's
• 40:59
  maybe some happy ground that you can just kind of feel comfortable
• 41:02
  with, like where we're sitting right here today and you know, we know
• 41:05
  who's judging one of our major stock shows.
• 41:08
  Yeah, I feel like that I'll take the happy medium on that.
• 41:13
  Right.
• 41:14
  I obviously I want to watch them move around the pin when I'm selecting them.
• 41:18
  Do they do they hold their head carriage up when you let them go?
• 41:22
  You know, I don't want that one that's dead.
• 41:24
  And its head just kind of hangs there like a limp noodle, you know,
• 41:27
  as ears are down, as heads down, blades come up above his chin.
• 41:32
  That kind of deal, you know, that's going to hinder me, so to speak.
• 41:37
  Does he kind of float around when you let him go?
• 41:39
  You know, nothings just too like rigid or
• 41:43
  joints aren't too rigid or nasty.
• 41:46
  Does he hold his head carriage up a little bit? Does he?
• 41:48
  Does he kind of throw his head up and look at you? I think that's important.
• 41:51
  And I think it's really important for those people listening in us to
• 41:54
  with still young kids. Absolutely huge deal.
• 41:57
  You know, those short neck down headed ones.
• 42:01
  Our kids aren't going to be able to make a move right in the ring and look enough.
• 42:04
  And that's a lesson that I've learned the hard way.
• 42:07
  Absolutely.
• 42:07
  And that's something we still struggle with even in the Silver's household, is
• 42:12
  we come home every time and I say we don't leave good enough.
• 42:15
  We're not leading good enough. We got to lead better.
• 42:17
  We got to lead better.
• 42:18
  And I'm always harping on my kids about that.
• 42:20
  But at the same time I'm like, you know, dad probably didn't do enough,
• 42:24
  good enough job selecting the animal there moves in good.
• 42:27
  Moves in good and runs. Yeah.
• 42:28
  And you know, tidbit there for listeners that want to, you know,
• 42:32
  if you'll follow Sam on Snapchat, he's always got some unique ways
• 42:34
  to make those sheep walk down the road, the road there.
• 42:39
  So feel free to,
• 42:40
  you know, hit him up and see if he can give you any insight on that.
• 42:43
  Probably not something we can put on line.
• 42:46
  Yeah, I'm kind of the same way. Like now.
• 42:48
  I mean, I, I want those things to move good.
• 42:51
  We spent we were the same way.
• 42:53
  Like we walk up and down the road, you know when kids are practicing,
• 42:57
  I tell them get in the yard and it's usually get in the yard.
• 43:01
  And then, you know, we walk down the road and that's kind of how we spend our time,
• 43:03
  you know, hand walking and whatever.
• 43:05
  And you know, it always it always ends with one of them fighting or crying.
• 43:09
  I mean, that's just that's just how it is.
• 43:10
  But like, it, it is it's what we do.
• 43:13
  But like, I think the biggest thing for me as far as
• 43:17
  watching those things in motion again,
• 43:19
  you know, we talked about it like I'm going to study their hip and hind leg.
• 43:22
  I'm also like, you know, full time Shepherd.
• 43:26
  Right?
• 43:26
  So like I get to see those things typically at home, whether we're sorting
• 43:30
  ewes, looking at bugs, watching the babies, kids are at school.
• 43:34
  Like I kind of kind of evaluate a lot of stuff, you know, like a good buddy.
• 43:38
  You know, Robert Ashley would always talk about
• 43:40
  putting sitting on a bucket, you know, and just watching the sheep.
• 43:43
  And I think that's a that's a good indicator
• 43:45
  of like probably where I land, whether it's whenever
• 43:48
  I'm buying or whether I'm, you know, evaluating a show.
• 43:50
  Like I want to study some like things.
• 43:52
  But I also just kind of want to see what those things look like
• 43:54
  naturally, like just because all the same things kind of fit.
• 43:57
  This thing's fit. Does it work?
• 43:59
  Does it balance, you know, structurally, is there spine flat?
• 44:03
  You know, like that's that's probably I'm probably not as big on oh my gosh.
• 44:06
  They got to you know run up hill and you know be geeky and you know all that.
• 44:11
  And I'm not saying that's that's wrong.
• 44:12
  But I'm more like I want to see them things flat spine.
• 44:15
  I don't want to see them handle their hip and hind leg the way they're supposed to.
• 44:18
  That's just and I think if you do that, you can find
• 44:21
  good middle ground no matter who's judging.
• 44:24
  Yeah, I can't wait to having that on evaluators and evaluation.
• 44:30
  Plenty of soap boxes there.
• 44:32
  So now you've made those points.
• 44:35
  Can we get to gut instinct versus checklist thinking.
• 44:39
  Yeah I got a theory. I've got my own.
• 44:41
  So would you like me to.
• 44:42
  Would you like me to think about it from a
• 44:46
  buying perspective.
• 44:47
  Or do you like to me to think about it from an evaluation perspective.
• 44:50
  By oh, okay.
• 44:54
  Gut instinct.
• 44:57
  Yeah.
• 44:57
  I'm a bad gut instinct buyer.
• 45:00
  Like they just.
• 45:01
  And I'm probably a little bit like that also as an evaluator,
• 45:05
  man, when they freaking hit me, they just hit me like.
• 45:08
  And I'm just like, there's no going back.
• 45:10
  And I know that, like, you know, I'm probably just going to buy this thing
• 45:14
  no matter what he costs.
• 45:15
  And then I'm going to like, you know,
• 45:17
  figure out if I got any copper wire that I can sell at home or something.
• 45:21
  You know, just I mean, I'm just going all in.
• 45:24
  I'm pushing the chips in, and then it's like, you know,
• 45:27
  sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
• 45:28
  But I'm always happy, you know, right up until the point that it doesn't work.
• 45:32
  Genuinely thinking about this and you on the way up here today to was
• 45:36
  you know, you're you're a, you're a swing big.
• 45:39
  Oh this big hit big kind of guy. Right.
• 45:42
  And I'm the guy that's like, I'm going to go and I'm
• 45:45
  going to try to milk something out of something, right?
• 45:47
  Like it may just be a reserve champion.
• 45:49
  Southdown something.
• 45:51
  I'm going to get me something before I get out of here.
• 45:53
  Yeah. I'm swinging for the fences.
• 45:57
  I am definitely that's definitely where I kind of land.
• 45:59
  It's part of the reason we talked about it last time.
• 46:01
  Like it's part of the reason that I like, I have to I can't give up on them.
• 46:04
  Like, I just have to, like I'm committed.
• 46:06
  Like I'm in that down there in that box whole, like, I gotta, I gotta fight.
• 46:11
  You gotta get out of here.
• 46:12
  So I think I used to be a gut instinct kind of guy, and I think
• 46:17
  I still am to a point, but I hate to keep, you know, beating a dead horse on this.
• 46:22
  But as the prices of these things have risen, sure,
• 46:25
  I'm not as much a gut instinct guy,
• 46:28
  because used to I would walk in and I'd be like, yep, that's him.
• 46:32
  Let's go.
• 46:33
  Now it's like, yep, that's him.
• 46:35
  Oh, how much is he? How much does it cost?
• 46:39
  That's when we start going through the checklist okay.
• 46:41
  Like, you know, I know if this thing is going to cost me
• 46:43
  ten, 15, $20,000, like, stuff's going to have to fit a little bit better, right?
• 46:48
  Well, and I think that also, you know, as we talk about this and, you know,
• 46:52
  separating ourselves from the breeder, the seller, you know, even,
• 46:56
  you know, the the advisor
• 46:58
  in some capacity to our customers, whatever you want to call that.
• 47:01
  And just think about it strictly from like stock show dad standpoint.
• 47:04
  It also the checklist becomes more and more real to me
• 47:10
  as we're sitting here again.
• 47:12
  You know, we talked about it like we don't know
• 47:14
  who's doing our major stock shows, you know.
• 47:16
  And so you're kind of like like that.
• 47:18
  That's where like I think you kind of almost like hedge a little and can like
• 47:22
  think about like okay, well that one like hits me hard.
• 47:27
  And going back to what you talked about, like,
• 47:28
  okay, that's the one that hits me hard.
• 47:30
  Well, let's say, you know, you know, San Antonio just announced there is like,
• 47:33
  does that hit Jason Simpson and Jake haunches hard.
• 47:36
  You know, that's maybe when that checklist really starts like I know he hits me.
• 47:39
  I know if I'm judging, like grand champion honors.
• 47:41
  Let's get out of here.
• 47:43
  But does it hit those guys?
• 47:45
  You know, that's probably where, like,
• 47:46
  that checklist can become more and more of like.
• 47:48
  Well, we're not chilling at the County Road De and Knowlton, Texas.
• 47:51
  Jackpot.
• 47:52
  We should have a jackpot there.
• 47:54
  Be fun. Set up like a tent.
• 47:56
  We never get started.
• 47:58
  You'd be late to your own jackpot.
• 48:00
  Well, so. Okay. Price pressure,
• 48:04
  this budget.
• 48:05
  Obviously. I think that kind of answers itself, right?
• 48:08
  This budget change the decision or does the price change the decision?
• 48:12
  And I think it does. Right.
• 48:14
  I think it does with everybody and I don't I don't care if your disposable income
• 48:17
  is, you know, astronomical or, you know, even if you're, you know,
• 48:22
  a swing for the fence guy, like budget is still real, right?
• 48:27
  Like, I mean, we're all, if we want to be honest, spending more than we should.
• 48:31
  And, you know, these things obviously cost a lot of money.
• 48:34
  And, you know,
• 48:35
  families are doing
• 48:36
  everything in their power to try to, you know, by the best ones they have and,
• 48:39
  you know, have the nice stuff at home and the nice trailer, like,
• 48:42
  I mean, let's, you know, real world, real world stuff.
• 48:45
  So, yeah, I mean, budgets are always going to be a deal
• 48:48
  that that is going to drive people in some capacity.
• 48:51
  You know, we're having a live sale tomorrow.
• 48:53
  There could be, you know, a guy
• 48:54
  that walks in that thinks that no matter what, he's buying one of those lots.
• 48:58
  And then if again, those two fools link up, like at some point,
• 49:02
  you know, he might be like, well, he wants it worse than I do.
• 49:05
  And that all goes back into,
• 49:06
  you know, their budget or what they're willing to sacrifice or whatever.
• 49:11
  Probably what I'm fixing to get into tomorrow night.
• 49:13
  Yeah.
• 49:14
  No, you got to be that guy
• 49:15
  that just bows up, looks across the table and says, let's get it on.
• 49:19
  Yeah. Yes, that's what I love to hear.
• 49:21
  I love to hear that.
• 49:22
  But I also think I also think that, like, we have to remember
• 49:26
  like and I, and I kind of always keep this in the back of my mind
• 49:29
  and like I use it as a little bit of like, you know, maybe a little motivation.
• 49:32
  Like there's always going to be somebody that can spend more than you.
• 49:36
  This is a feeders game.
• 49:37
  Like if you buy that one though, that's like, maybe he's not perfect.
• 49:42
  Maybe he's not exactly, you know, the high seller.
• 49:45
  But like, hey, that one fits my barn.
• 49:47
  That one fits my kid.
• 49:49
  That one fits the guy that I'm going to because I did my homework.
• 49:52
  And I know that lot two is better than lot one for this particular show.
• 49:56
  And even though so-and-so bought lot one and that was the one to buy that day
• 50:00
  because he did look, you know, maybe the best
• 50:02
  and maybe even the one that I liked the best that a lot to like,
• 50:05
  if I'll do my homework and I'll, I'll go home
• 50:08
  and we'll, we'll take care of that thing we were supposed to and we'll feed
• 50:11
  and exercise and, you know, all the stuff, and we'll get him out and jackpot him.
• 50:15
  And, you know, give that sheep the best opportunity that genetically is possible.
• 50:19
  Like it's a feeders game. Like use it as a challenge.
• 50:21
  Like go beat that guy.
• 50:23
  Absolutely.
• 50:24
  That's that's funny to me than just going out
• 50:27
  and buying the high dollar one and keeping even the high dollar one and
• 50:30
  and winning with him.
• 50:31
  Not not saying that winning is not fun at at any level,
• 50:35
  but it's fun to go out there and find that one that's,
• 50:38
  you know, 2500 bucks or whatever he was, and feed on him and win with him.
• 50:42
  Well, and that's how you know, like I and obviously I'll reference Papa.
• 50:45
  Hey, you know, in this deal I mean like he was always and you know, I grew up with
• 50:50
  a, you know, parents that were education school teachers, like, so we didn't.
• 50:55
  And maybe, maybe dad was a little smarter than I am.
• 50:58
  Like, he would pump, pump the brakes.
• 51:01
  Sometimes whenever I just try to swing for the fence.
• 51:03
  But like, it was like, you know, going to bro six back in the day
• 51:07
  and, you know, like I referenced it, you know,
• 51:09
  in one of those first couple episodes, like the sheep that I went in Dallas with,
• 51:12
  he literally came home and like,
• 51:13
  he had like four joints that needed to be taken off his tail.
• 51:17
  I mean, like, and I think that she brought $1,100,
• 51:20
  you know, and but like, you know, kind of got to be creative.
• 51:24
  You got to have imagination. You got to know, hey.
• 51:26
  And he was fat.
• 51:28
  Pray found him over stuck in the corner of, you know, the feed trough knowing him.
• 51:32
  And, you know, nobody else saw him, but like.
• 51:35
  Yeah. And then, you know, he took him home.
• 51:36
  He did a tail job on him.
• 51:37
  We tracked him and,
• 51:38
  you know, like, all of a sudden he's like, hey, we might have something.
• 51:41
  So I think just because like, and you know,
• 51:43
  you see it all the time and I get it and it can be frustrating.
• 51:46
  I'm, you know, we're candid and we, you know, talk about things openly.
• 51:50
  Like, I really, really wanted to buy that sheep that sold at Blue Bloods last year.
• 51:54
  And you know, that one ends up winning Fort Worth.
• 51:57
  And I can't repeat on camera what Graham said.
• 52:00
  Yeah.
• 52:00
  I mean, so, like, you know,
• 52:01
  like we all there's always somebody that might, you know, outbid you.
• 52:04
  And so you just kind of got to go home and like, hey, I'm, I'm, I'm
• 52:07
  pretty decent at this.
• 52:08
  Like I'm going to try hard and we're gonna,
• 52:09
  we're gonna see what happens, maybe beat em, maybe you don't.
• 52:11
  Maybe your third. But like.
• 52:13
  That Blue Bloods final cross panned out pretty good.
• 52:16
  Yeah, yeah.
• 52:19
  If you're into red ribbons.
• 52:22
  So give me give me three questions.
• 52:27
  Gut check questions before you, before you commit, before you commit and say,
• 52:32
  yep, I'm going to take him home.
• 52:35
  I would say the first one, you know, kind of goes back to that.
• 52:37
  Does he fit the judge?
• 52:38
  I think you have to be very aware of that situation.
• 52:42
  Does he fit what I'm doing this year? Yeah.
• 52:44
  Yeah yeah. Does he fit? Does he fit? You fit.
• 52:46
  Does he fair a program? Let's say that. Because I don't want him to think that.
• 52:49
  Like you need to go and buy a sheet. For sure.
• 52:52
  Great point. Yeah.
• 52:53
  Great point.
• 52:53
  No. Does he fit our program?
• 52:55
  Does he fit our program? And that can be.
• 52:57
  Does he fit our house? Does he fit our kids?
• 52:59
  Does he fit the shows that we're going to.
• 53:00
  And that can be as much as age wise.
• 53:03
  You know, like see some of these guys that will call, you know,
• 53:05
  and hey, I saw that you're having your, you know, your fall born sale.
• 53:08
  And it's like the first part of December.
• 53:10
  Like I wanted to ask you about lot one. All right. Yeah. Cool.
• 53:12
  Look real good sheet, blah blah blah.
• 53:14
  Tell him he's bread. All right. We got a county show next April.
• 53:17
  Do you think he'll work for that?
• 53:19
  No, he will not.
• 53:20
  You know, like so does.
• 53:22
  So, you know, that would definitely have to be on one.
• 53:24
  Does he fit the program?
• 53:26
  You know, program at home.
• 53:28
  Kids showing ability.
• 53:31
  You know,
• 53:31
  and then maybe what show he's going to and obviously that kind of, you know, kind
• 53:34
  of comes in there and falls in line with, with with the judge's perspective.
• 53:38
  I know that this is probably definitely not something you're going to agree with.
• 53:43
  If we had if we had your wife on here, she could she could back me on this.
• 53:46
  But like I like to know how their bread.
• 53:49
  I'm, I'm very.
• 53:52
  I think you maybe you're taking this a little too far.
• 53:54
  I'm very
• 53:56
  aware of how some of those things feed
• 53:59
  that we have had some success with, and there's some consistency there.
• 54:04
  And so I just kind of always
• 54:06
  and like we're having to buy these things as 60, 70, 90 day old babies.
• 54:10
  Like we're trying to project out at the end of the day,
• 54:12
  like, doesn't it sound crazy?
• 54:14
  You just gave 5000 for a 75 day old baby lamb or goat,
• 54:19
  and you're trying to project out how he's going to grow 12 months from now.
• 54:24
  If people were not involved in our game, they would say, we all are stupid.
• 54:28
  Whole other podcast about this knowing the breeding behind the weather
• 54:32
  that you're fixing to buy. Yeah, but I just.
• 54:34
  Think it's rate of genetics is so fast nowadays
• 54:38
  in in bucks nowadays or year one.
• 54:43
  And then done or whatever.
• 54:45
  It's like well how do we how do we know now it's not saying that I don't ask.
• 54:50
  I still ask how they're bred every time, but I think I look at it
• 54:53
  more of the second generation and the third generation.
• 54:58
  That's what I take into account more, right?
• 55:00
  Because that's where we're going to start getting our predictability like,
• 55:03
  oh, absolutely.
• 55:04
  You know, a first year.
• 55:05
  But yeah, we really don't know how those are going to feed or do.
• 55:08
  But is he, you know, is he a chief unicorn?
• 55:11
  Yeah. Did his dad do something. Yeah I see the yeah.
• 55:13
  Well something and we know that there's some predictability.
• 55:16
  And I think the, I think the, probably the thing that I like to keep up
• 55:19
  with, books are always the first thing you hear, right?
• 55:21
  Somebody says, hey, how's that one bread.
• 55:23
  You know, that's always what they're going to say.
• 55:25
  I like to try to keep up with what some of those females have done.
• 55:28
  You know, we probably fall into a little bit
• 55:32
  of a small circle there in terms of where we buy sheep.
• 55:35
  I don't know, you might disagree with that.
• 55:38
  But, you know, like we've had some of those youths
• 55:41
  that have raised some of those sheet that we've been successful with.
• 55:43
  So the next year when I go to, you know, to that place or the next year on the,
• 55:47
  you know, the ones at the house, I want to be like, okay, hey.
• 55:49
  She raised that one last year and that's how he fed.
• 55:52
  That's what he did.
• 55:53
  Now, I know this one's out
• 55:54
  of a different book, whatever, but it's just something to kind of like.
• 55:57
  I just feel like.
• 55:58
  I feel like it's something you can kind of add to that checklist.
• 56:00
  Like you're kind of in there.
• 56:02
  You're you're making those decisions and like,
• 56:04
  so that's that's probably the thing that I would kind of land on second.
• 56:07
  So you know does does that one, does that one fit our program.
• 56:11
  Does he kind of check all of those things.
• 56:12
  And then and then you know I like to I like to, you know,
• 56:16
  kind of know a little bit of genetic background
• 56:18
  and kind of where those things, where those things
• 56:19
  kind of kind of land from that perspective.
• 56:21
  And then I think the last thing and it can sometimes be hard because,
• 56:26
  you know, we might be, you know, traveling solo or, you know, if you're
• 56:30
  have ran around with me very much, you know, maybe I do stuff late at night.
• 56:36
  I love
• 56:38
  if one of my kids is there to have them set them up, because I think that kind of
• 56:41
  goes back to what you were talking, you know, like, does he look good on that one?
• 56:46
  Does Joe look good on that one?
• 56:47
  You know,
• 56:47
  just kind of that last little final like, hey y'all, grab that thing, set him up.
• 56:51
  You know, just kind of that like,
• 56:52
  does it look like it could all blend when they're a year down the road?
• 56:56
  Like, that's always something that we try to like, try to do and also like,
• 57:01
  you know, like breeders are used to showing those sheeps.
• 57:04
  So like, let's be honest, like they're,
• 57:05
  you know, they might be able to hide a few flaws,
• 57:07
  you know, they got so like put the kids on them and just see like,
• 57:09
  hey, does everything look like I did right before I, you know, sign this check.
• 57:13
  I did that.
• 57:14
  I mean, while you were at the hair salon, I.
• 57:17
  Was barber. I go to a barber, I don't go to a hair salon.
• 57:20
  Like getting curls.
• 57:20
  As long as you took there, I thought maybe you were getting
• 57:23
  your nails done or something.
• 57:25
  I was looking at your set down there,
• 57:27
  and the one that I wanted to look at, I had I had Chet get on him.
• 57:33
  I said, hey, get on that sheet, set him up, sets him up.
• 57:35
  I told Graham, grandma, stand there.
• 57:38
  She has four foot, nine grand, six foot.
• 57:41
  Graham, get on that sheet.
• 57:43
  You know, I wanted to see the difference.
• 57:45
  I just did that. Like what?
• 57:46
  How does that sheet match up? Right. Yeah.
• 57:49
  Yeah yeah. Great point.
• 57:50
  Yeah.
• 57:51
  Those are kind of the three that I guess,
• 57:52
  you know, right there before we, we kind of, you know, file them in.
• 57:55
  So last thing before we close out this episode,
• 57:59
  you know, if we're picking multiple animals for Texas majors
• 58:03
  for, for multiple kids, right.
• 58:05
  Like, we've got to pick from multiple kids.
• 58:07
  I've got two kids.
• 58:08
  My own multiple breeds. Multiple breeds.
• 58:11
  We help a bunch of people.
• 58:12
  We've got a fine sheep for those people.
• 58:14
  What's our what's your strategy there?
• 58:17
  I wonder how different it is from Australia.
• 58:20
  I think mine is probably gether.
• 58:23
  I always say I'm a hunter gatherer, like I'm going to drive around, run
• 58:28
  around, beat the bushes, and I'm just going to gather up
• 58:31
  as many good ones as I can possibly afford.
• 58:34
  You know,
• 58:35
  going through that checklist,
• 58:36
  going through all the things that we've talked about on this episode,
• 58:38
  like good ones are good ones, you know, we've got five, six,
• 58:42
  seven options, you know, as far as, you know, from Dallas to, to Austin,
• 58:47
  you know, on where ones that might be different can fit.
• 58:50
  So we're going to gather up is just many good ones as we can.
• 58:55
  And you know, both of us are in similar situations
• 58:57
  where we've got some families that rely on us,
• 58:59
  you know, you know, help them in those selections
• 59:01
  and in that, in that hunter and hunting and gathering process.
• 59:04
  And so that's kind of my deal is like there's always going to be different
• 59:08
  budgets.
• 59:09
  Sheep are going to cost difference, you know,
• 59:10
  like whether it's finals and crosses, whatever that looks like.
• 59:13
  And so it's kind of just one of those deals.
• 59:14
  I mean, I've obviously been to your place and you know, as many,
• 59:17
  you know, finals and crosses we've bought and traded over the years from like
• 59:21
  you guys like sometimes I buy 4 or 5 of the real expensive, real good ones.
• 59:25
  And then sometimes I'm like, hey, man, I got a couple of real young families.
• 59:28
  But like, our budgets not quite there yet.
• 59:30
  Like, you know, a little imagination. Show me them.
• 59:32
  Show me that skinny pen.
• 59:33
  Like, let's get in there and let's dig around and let's do some,
• 59:36
  let's do some, let's do some livestock sorting,
• 59:38
  you know,
• 59:38
  and just see if there's not something in there that we can find that looks like,
• 59:42
  hey, in 60 days and 90 days like that one's going to make one.
• 59:46
  And so that's kind of my philosophy is like,
• 59:48
  we're going to try to gather up as many as we can.
• 59:51
  I always tell the kids, don't name them till validation because it may change.
• 59:56
  And like that one, I mean, we've had it before, like taking a sheep to a jackpot
• 1:00:01
  wins the jackpot.
• 1:00:02
  And Monday he's gone. Yeah.
• 1:00:05
  You know, and you were talking about that
• 1:00:07
  I thought about
• 1:00:08
  when you're talking about in the big ring and seeing what they look like.
• 1:00:11
  You know, last year we had a, we had a weather that we took to a jackpot weekend.
• 1:00:14
  We were there just donkey stomps at all for all four rings.
• 1:00:19
  Right.
• 1:00:20
  And I'm thinking, man, I got I got one here, you know,
• 1:00:25
  go to
• 1:00:25
  Kansas City, get him in a big ring on a big stage.
• 1:00:28
  And I sit there and go, he's not good enough, right?
• 1:00:32
  He was good enough at that little jackpot in that little ring
• 1:00:35
  in the middle of the summer.
• 1:00:36
  But yeah, it's not.
• 1:00:38
  And I mean, I think that's the thing
• 1:00:39
  that, like, people can't beat theirself up about.
• 1:00:42
  And I mean like even, you know, guys.
• 1:00:43
  I mean he was a bad cheap. Absolutely.
• 1:00:45
  Yeah.
• 1:00:46
  But we're talking about sorting hairs, you know, cutting fine hairs here.
• 1:00:50
  And, you know,
• 1:00:51
  you would have went through all of that checklist that we talked about.
• 1:00:54
  You would
• 1:00:55
  you would have tied into all the big things that sheep
• 1:00:57
  would have probably had majority of the bells and whistles.
• 1:01:00
  And then sometimes you get there and you're like, hey, that's a nice one.
• 1:01:03
  That one's not good enough to maybe do what we're trying to do.
• 1:01:06
  And it's just part of it. Like, you guys have had success.
• 1:01:09
  We've been fortunate to have success on on, you know, the big stage and like it's
• 1:01:13
  just part of it.
• 1:01:14
  Like again, we're trying to project these things out,
• 1:01:17
  you know, and like you're hoping that everything goes in line
• 1:01:20
  and everything works, whether it's, you know, sheep, goats,
• 1:01:23
  I mean, you know,
• 1:01:23
  obviously any of the species, but like just part of it,
• 1:01:26
  sometimes you get them out there and if you're objective
• 1:01:28
  and you don't just go back and kick the bucket and say,
• 1:01:31
  that damn judge has no idea what he's doing.
• 1:01:33
  No, man.
• 1:01:34
  That sheep, he's. Just.
• 1:01:36
  He's wasn't good enough. Like, it's part of it.
• 1:01:38
  We've all been there.
• 1:01:39
  I've. I have my sheep. Shear loves to come.
• 1:01:42
  You know about February.
• 1:01:44
  And there is no telling the dollar amount of sheep that he will take to
• 1:01:48
  harvest and butcher.
• 1:01:51
  Always tell him, like, hey, bud, that's prime lamb.
• 1:01:53
  Like that stuff.
• 1:01:55
  He's like, why don't you buy that one?
• 1:01:57
  I'm like, I'm not real sure right now.
• 1:01:58
  I don't know why I did that.
• 1:02:00
  So yeah.
• 1:02:01
  So I mean that's a, that's kind of my, that's that's my deal.
• 1:02:04
  Does that very for you are you. Yeah. No no I don't.
• 1:02:06
  Maybe a little bit I think, you know when you're buying a
• 1:02:10
  we're going to go out and try to buy the best ones.
• 1:02:12
  We can write and put those together.
• 1:02:16
  And then for me to there I think, you know, budget
• 1:02:19
  seems to sort a lot of that out.
• 1:02:21
  How do how do we get these into all these different homes
• 1:02:25
  and make sure that all these different families and kids are successful?
• 1:02:29
  And it's not like I pick and choose and I have a favorite or anything like that.
• 1:02:33
  I think budget just, just naturally kind of.
• 1:02:37
  Dictates some of that. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
• 1:02:39
  No, I would agree I would agree okay.
• 1:02:41
  All right. So I think we're kind of wrapped up.
• 1:02:43
  All right.
• 1:02:44
  So I hope that I've got something down there that checks some of those boxes.
• 1:02:47
  I can't wait till tomorrow night.
• 1:02:48
  Whenever you're like you're probably going to be on the front row I bet bidding I.
• 1:02:52
  Know I may just stay at the hotel and bid online or something.
• 1:02:56
  Golly, I'm gonna tell everybody.
• 1:02:58
  Hey, y'all watch it.
• 1:02:59
  If Sam's bidding, that thing checks all the boxes, okay?
• 1:03:02
  And you need you need to. You need to bid on that one.
• 1:03:04
  Too bad the sales aren't going to happen when this, but.
• 1:03:07
  I know, I know.
• 1:03:09
  So that's kind of a wrap on episode three.
• 1:03:11
  You know, we talked about obviously walking in the pen,
• 1:03:14
  you know, the things that hit us hard, the things that, you know, we can't,
• 1:03:17
  can't accept not being, you know, very, very good.
• 1:03:21
  The things that,
• 1:03:22
  you know, maybe we kind of want to make some of those decisions
• 1:03:24
  or make some of those tough decisions and those close calls on,
• 1:03:28
  I think whenever we talk about, you know, after we've made that selection,
• 1:03:31
  you know, I kind of talked about a lot ago, like we signed that check.
• 1:03:34
  We're loading in the loading in the trailer.
• 1:03:35
  We're taking them home.
• 1:03:36
  So next time we'll hit on what that looks like.
• 1:03:40
  Going home with that animal shot, halter breaking,
• 1:03:45
  getting them to
• 1:03:46
  eat, keeping them on feed, keeping them healthy.
• 1:03:49
  That's what the next episode is going to be about.
• 1:03:51
  Yeah, I'm going to I feel like I feel like this one so far.
• 1:03:54
  And I think a lot of our listeners and our guests will probably agree, like,
• 1:03:58
  I think the first three episodes of Drench Line,
• 1:04:00
  everybody knowing us in our buddies and our friends
• 1:04:03
  and our customers are probably like, hey, that was really informative.
• 1:04:07
  At some point, when are them guys going to really get into it?
• 1:04:11
  I think that's next time. Yeah.
• 1:04:13
  Different, different.
• 1:04:14
  Different mindsets, different feeds, different approaches.
• 1:04:17
  Time to start ruffling some feathers.
• 1:04:20
  I can't wait.
• 1:04:21
  All right. So we do have a couple of questions.
• 1:04:24
  Or I guess we got a little handful of them here that we had folks submitted.
• 1:04:29
  So again you know if you got any questions as you, you know listen
• 1:04:33
  drop us a line on com.
• 1:04:35
  You can submit them.
• 1:04:36
  And as we kind of work through these episodes,
• 1:04:38
  we will hopefully try to answer them the best of our ability
• 1:04:41
  or kind of what we feel like, you know, work for us.
• 1:04:44
  I'm not going to sit here and tell you
• 1:04:45
  that it's the perfect answer to maybe where you live or what.
• 1:04:49
  You know, the things that you've got.
• 1:04:50
  All we can do is talk about what we've seen, what we've done,
• 1:04:53
  kind of what works for us.
• 1:04:54
  So yeah, as we kind of answer through some of these questions, again,
• 1:04:59
  drop us a line.
• 1:05:01
  If you got any
• 1:05:01
  thoughts, questions concerns submit something.
• 1:05:05
  I'm not going to tell you that it's the perfect answer for your situation.
• 1:05:08
  Or we can talk about.
• 1:05:09
  Things on the table.
• 1:05:10
  Anything is on the table. Like,
• 1:05:12
  What?
• 1:05:12
  Sam beard oil he uses.
• 1:05:16
  Oh, okay.
• 1:05:17
  Yeah.
• 1:05:17
  All we can talk about some things that that we have that we've seen that
• 1:05:20
  we've done in our trials and probably mostly errors.
• 1:05:25
  So, Samantha, Samantha hit us with, do you feed hay?
• 1:05:28
  And if so.
• 1:05:29
  And so we're going to we're going to make that a two segment question because
• 1:05:33
  and again I know what we'll probably talk about this throughout the you know the
• 1:05:37
  this these sessions we probably land a little more sheep friendly
• 1:05:41
  because that is both of, you know, maybe our passions a little bit more.
• 1:05:46
  And then, you know, we've all got our goat buddies that,
• 1:05:49
  you know, just continue to enforce our hand on that.
• 1:05:52
  So we'll kind of talk about that on the sheep side and the goat side,
• 1:05:55
  because I do think that kind of varies. Yeah.
• 1:05:57
  So you and I talked about this other day,
• 1:06:00
  just maybe in person or on the phone.
• 1:06:04
  I do not feed alfalfa.
• 1:06:08
  I feed a grassy,
• 1:06:13
  I feed a grass.
• 1:06:14
  Every evening we feed Tifton 85.
• 1:06:17
  That's what we have in round bells that we feed our use.
• 1:06:19
  It's a fertilized, irrigated Tipton 85.
• 1:06:22
  It's a great grassy.
• 1:06:25
  And if you do the research on Tipton, it's kind of.
• 1:06:27
  And I'm not saying that's the one you need to feed, but let's just say, you
• 1:06:30
  know, coastal Tifton, something of that coastal Bermuda.
• 1:06:34
  I feed grass
• 1:06:35
  because I just want to keep their guts working there, a ruminant animal.
• 1:06:38
  They have to have that in their gut to keep it working.
• 1:06:41
  They have to have some stem in there.
• 1:06:42
  And the reason for that is, is I don't want to change
• 1:06:45
  the protein content in their diet that much.
• 1:06:50
  I just want something to keep that gut going.
• 1:06:52
  And I know that the feed and supplements
• 1:06:54
  I'm using are doing what they're supposed to do.
• 1:06:56
  My grass aids keeping the gut work and keeping things functioning properly
• 1:07:00
  and not shit them out. Yep.
• 1:07:05
  Agreed to a certain point.
• 1:07:07
  Agree to disagree slightly, but yeah, I would.
• 1:07:10
  I would agree with most of it. Tell me this.
• 1:07:12
  Okay.
• 1:07:12
  Again, you know, two part question show goats.
• 1:07:15
  Yeah, yeah.
• 1:07:18
  I still feed grass to my goats to
• 1:07:22
  I don't I don't offer them, you know much alfalfa, but.
• 1:07:26
  Do you chop it up like the professionals do?
• 1:07:28
  I do not chop it up. You're not a professional.
• 1:07:31
  He's not a guys. He's not a professional.
• 1:07:33
  Goat herder.
• 1:07:35
  Yeah. Okay.
• 1:07:37
  Yeah, I would agree.
• 1:07:38
  The only thing that we do feed alfalfa, we've always fed alfalfa.
• 1:07:42
  I'm a big believer in alfalfa.
• 1:07:44
  And, you know,
• 1:07:45
  that is probably a I'm sure that someone will have some opinion on that.
• 1:07:48
  And quite frankly, I don't care because I know what's worked for us.
• 1:07:54
  We don't feed what let's call horse quality.
• 1:07:59
  Number one, all the leaves we feed, we feed striped rained on.
• 1:08:04
  Yeah, cheap stuff. Like I called my guy down the road.
• 1:08:06
  I'm like, hey, you got any that stuff
• 1:08:07
  that's been rained on like three times and you've raked it twice
• 1:08:10
  and you know, it's got a little stem to it.
• 1:08:12
  To me, that's, that's that's the kind of outfall for that.
• 1:08:14
  We feed and we feed it along with, with grass.
• 1:08:16
  So what we try to do.
• 1:08:17
  Early on is we feed a little heavier alfalfa while they're growing
• 1:08:21
  as that growing, you know, curve.
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  You know, as
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  we work through the year, always call it, we kind of let that pendulum shift.
• 1:08:28
  We start off like 75% alfalfa, 25% grass,
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  and then we kind of flip it as the year goes on.
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  So but again, ruminant animals,
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  some of that, you know,
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  steamy alfalfa grass that'll get in there and scratch things up,
• 1:08:42
  keep things rolling, keep things active, microbial development and all that.
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  Without question. Goats.
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  I'm probably going to get in trouble
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  because of the guys that like to sell me goats.
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  I don't know, probably not.
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  They're probably
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  laughing at us right now, but they they aren't big on the hay deal.
• 1:09:01
  We still feed. Hey, they're still ruminants.
• 1:09:03
  We need to they.
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  I feel like they eat better.
• 1:09:07
  I have chopped it up a couple of times, so maybe I'm.
• 1:09:11
  I don't know yet.
• 1:09:12
  Like little scissors and. Chop it up. Hoof nippers.
• 1:09:15
  Yeah,
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  I think it's maybe just kind of what I try to do to maybe get out of whatever
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  we're finishing the day with.
• 1:09:20
  I'll just be like, all right, I gotta chop the goats hay.
• 1:09:23
  Well, everybody else is like, still raking pins.
• 1:09:25
  Mix a cocktail and chop up. Yeah, exactly.
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  Yep. All right. Thanks, Samantha. Hopefully, maybe.
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  Kind of answered answer.
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  Kind of what we do and what we found some success with.
• 1:09:35
  Chance.
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  Chance?
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  First time stock show dad here.
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  Should I share my daughter sheep with a surgical blade?
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  The breed is a south down.
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  Oh, man, that's a very good question, chance.
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  And you know, God bless you for being the first time.
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  Show dad going through all this.
• 1:09:56
  You know, that's a that is a really that's a really good question.
• 1:10:00
  I think it's a loaded question too, because when we talk about off breeds.
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  Right.
• 1:10:05
  We have got to talk about hide quality.
• 1:10:08
  Sure.
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  Big deal.
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  I think if you know that that Southdown is really good hide it.
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  He's tight.
• 1:10:13
  Hide it. And what I would call has a little belly wool on him.
• 1:10:16
  Some of those swirls in there.
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  I think
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  you're totally fine with sharing him with the surgical for a major stock show.
• 1:10:23
  If you were going to go to just a jackpot sharing with Bines,
• 1:10:27
  you're going to be fine.
• 1:10:27
  But if we're going to go to somewhere like Houston
• 1:10:30
  and we have to shear on a Monday and we're not showing until a Wednesday,
• 1:10:35
  then you probably need to go with some surgical.
• 1:10:37
  That's going to be my answer. Yeah, I would agree.
• 1:10:41
  What do you do on the on your jackpot cheap during the summer.
• 1:10:44
  Is that very.
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  No. We typically always share those.
• 1:10:48
  Well, it'll change a little bit.
• 1:10:50
  Depends on if I really want to go, like, knock somebody's head off or not.
• 1:10:53
  Like whenever you call and say, hey, are you going to that show?
• 1:10:55
  And then all of a sudden know that, like, oh, dude, Sam's got loaded.
• 1:10:59
  Yeah. We'll text each other.
• 1:11:00
  Like I was just going to share with fines and roll in there and, you know, be fine.
• 1:11:03
  He'll start drenching like, on Tuesday. Yeah.
• 1:11:05
  Find out Logan's coming.
• 1:11:06
  I'm like, I'm gonna change my little outlook here.
• 1:11:10
  Typically we'll share with finds at a jackpot
• 1:11:13
  because I want to give them a little extra protection from, like, fungus, stuff
• 1:11:16
  like that.
• 1:11:17
  I want to strip them down as hard, and you can shear on a Friday.
• 1:11:21
  You're going to show on a Saturday, right?
• 1:11:24
  Good, good. Sharp pair of fines.
• 1:11:25
  I think you're fine with jackpots there.
• 1:11:27
  Yeah, that's that's the same philosophy we have.
• 1:11:29
  We'll do fines all during the summer.
• 1:11:31
  Kind of maybe help with, you know, combat that fungus deal just a little bit. And,
• 1:11:35
  Yeah,
• 1:11:36
  I think that that's a I think that's a great question, chance.
• 1:11:39
  I think make sure that that animal skin quality is good enough for surgical.
• 1:11:44
  Right.
• 1:11:45
  And maybe even like a new pair of surgical,
• 1:11:47
  like we've all got those that have kind of been floating around
• 1:11:49
  you've had for like ten years
• 1:11:51
  and they've been sharpened like 97 times and you're like.
• 1:11:54
  Well.
• 1:11:55
  That's that's what that dude did me today when he was lining me up.
• 1:11:57
  I bet those were some like, yeah, some old surgical he had in the back.
• 1:12:00
  Yeah. Okay. Chance. Good luck.
• 1:12:02
  I hope you get to continue being a stock show.
• 1:12:04
  Dad. Don't get frustrated, buddy.
• 1:12:05
  Ask more questions if you use chance. Yeah, Mark.
• 1:12:08
  All right.
• 1:12:08
  Mark said I see people.
• 1:12:10
  Oh, dude, this is going to be good.
• 1:12:12
  I see people with chain halters and rope halters.
• 1:12:16
  Do you have a preference?
• 1:12:18
  Can we get some music on this right now?
• 1:12:20
  Is this where you're like.
• 1:12:22
  So the the
• 1:12:24
  the joke is amongst us is that, you know, we're making fun of somebody.
• 1:12:29
  We'll call them the, you know, those rope, halter shoulders.
• 1:12:32
  Rope altar crew. Yeah. That rope halter crew.
• 1:12:34
  God, we're going to get so much trouble for this one.
• 1:12:38
  Some of our old West Texas buddies are probably going to hear this
• 1:12:40
  and be super mad at us.
• 1:12:42
  Yeah, I am not a fan of rope halters.
• 1:12:45
  We're chain halter people.
• 1:12:48
  If anybody knows, we were the ones that kind of started the West draw.
• 1:12:53
  Yeah, yeah, I actually sometimes forget about that.
• 1:12:56
  So we kind of started that whole, you know, wipe down
• 1:12:59
  chain halters that keep the fungus off and all that stuff.
• 1:13:02
  But, yeah, big chain halters.
• 1:13:04
  And I think the biggest for me is when you're teaching, though,
• 1:13:08
  I think they're safer.
• 1:13:09
  I really do,
• 1:13:11
  because if we clip on to the fence or we walk away,
• 1:13:15
  if they set back or fall down or something like that,
• 1:13:17
  and they get up as soon as they get up and leave that pressure.
• 1:13:20
  That chain. Yeah. Kind of releases.
• 1:13:22
  In those rope halters.
• 1:13:23
  Yeah. We're going to suck down on the nose.
• 1:13:26
  And I've seen some sheep and goats killed with those.
• 1:13:29
  Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:13:30
  That's a that's a good I mean that's obviously definitely
• 1:13:32
  something that, you know, you can tell
• 1:13:33
  I always forget that y'all started I don't know why.
• 1:13:36
  Just that seems like ages ago.
• 1:13:40
  Yeah.
• 1:13:40
  But you obviously put some Jerry must have put some thoughts into that
• 1:13:44
  on you actually probably did kill a really, really expensive one.
• 1:13:48
  And you're like, hey, we got to change this.
• 1:13:51
  Yeah.
• 1:13:52
  Yeah. So that's that's kind of where we're at.
• 1:13:54
  But I agree 100%.
• 1:13:57
  And I think those animals just respond better, you know, like
• 1:14:00
  when you're trying to halter break them, like give them a little tension there.
• 1:14:03
  That rope halter just kind of pulls tight.
• 1:14:05
  I think you said something that, you know, maybe we don't think about as much,
• 1:14:08
  but that wiped down ability to disinfect, keep those things sanitary.
• 1:14:13
  Going from show to show. Like that's huge.
• 1:14:15
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:14:16
  That's a.
• 1:14:16
  And I'm going to I'm going to go back to the golf thing.
• 1:14:19
  Right. Like
• 1:14:21
  you know getting back into this I'm going to play terrible.
• 1:14:23
  But by God I'm going to look.
• 1:14:25
  You're going to look good. Absolutely.
• 1:14:27
  You know that's something.
• 1:14:27
  And like you can get all those different colors like,
• 1:14:30
  we can, you know, give, give our buddy Tyson a plug there.
• 1:14:33
  I mean, like, those guys have real supplements.
• 1:14:36
  Every kind of color probably combo.
• 1:14:38
  You've probably got some customized ones.
• 1:14:40
  What if I'm going to have a bad lamb there?
• 1:14:43
  I'm going to have a cover on him
• 1:14:44
  on, have his legs wrapped and I'm a nice halter on him.
• 1:14:46
  When I walk out of the scale, I'm not somebody think.
• 1:14:48
  Cool, everybody's going to be like, dude, I bet that kid's got a good one.
• 1:14:51
  And and then all of a sudden you, like, walk in there like, oh, not so much.
• 1:14:55
  But you look great, man. Look great.
• 1:14:58
  I bet that's there's no telling how much you spent on your golf attire.
• 1:15:04
  I mean, I know that I know your your new clubs, but your golf attire.
• 1:15:08
  No, I found this this shirt I have on this golf shirt.
• 1:15:10
  I have one today that was on sale at Sam's Club.
• 1:15:14
  Oh, yeah. We also learned this about Sam.
• 1:15:16
  He does some of his wardrobe shopping at Sam's Club.
• 1:15:21
  I didn't actually know that that was as big of a thing as apparently it is.
• 1:15:24
  So that's not much different than Hibbett Sports and.
• 1:15:27
  Hip it. Sports is awesome.
• 1:15:28
  I'll have some. Good deals.
• 1:15:30
  Hibbett sports yeah, they're going to probably they're gonna
• 1:15:32
  they're going to sponsor us at some point because all of our sneakers
• 1:15:35
  come from there.
• 1:15:36
  That's that kind of wraps up episode three.
• 1:15:39
  I know this one, you know,
• 1:15:40
  probably gets a little more in line with maybe where we're going to be linked wise.
• 1:15:43
  I'm sure by the time you know, it gets, you know,
• 1:15:45
  cut down or whatever, it's, you know, kind of shoot for,
• 1:15:48
  you know,
• 1:15:48
  maybe that a little longer than
• 1:15:50
  maybe those first episodes or whatever, but hopefully you guys maybe found
• 1:15:53
  some information or some or some subtle humor.
• 1:15:56
  One of the two.
• 1:15:57
  And yeah, if you get any questions that you would like to submit to us again,
• 1:16:01
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• 1:16:04
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• 1:16:13
  Both of us got, you know, handful of sales and stuff coming up.
• 1:16:17
  I know we're both the same.
• 1:16:18
  Like I feel like this is like, you know, we talked about it.
• 1:16:20
  We're like in the thralls of all of it.
• 1:16:22
  Like, it feels like it's just 90 to nothing right now.
• 1:16:24
  Selling, buying, selling bond.
• 1:16:25
  But like, we both sell sheep up until.
• 1:16:28
  October 31st. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:16:30
  That's always tell people like, when do you sell sheep.
• 1:16:33
  Well, we don't sell in November and December,
• 1:16:35
  and the rest of the time we are probably selling.
• 1:16:37
  So give us a shout. We'd love to help you out.
• 1:16:41
  Hopefully, maybe
• 1:16:41
  we can help you achieve whatever that goal is it looks like. But.
• 1:16:44
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• 1:16:46
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• 1:16:54
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