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  Speaker 2: All right, welcome, we are live from Jette Stadium and
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  Speaker 2: Patriots Mini Camp twenty twenty five.
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  Speaker 3: I'm joined by Mike dus Eva Bizarre and i'd.
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  Speaker 5: Say for the next hour or so we're gonna be here.
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  Speaker 3: We're gonna be listening to Mike Brable.
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  Speaker 2: He's gonna be doing this live press conference at about
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  Speaker 2: twelve fifteen, and then we'll turn our cameras to the field.
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  Speaker 6: And tell you what we're watching.
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  Speaker 5: So, like I said, we'll be going to fold and
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  Speaker 5: after one o'clock.
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  Speaker 2: Today and then after practice we've got a special Patriots.
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  Speaker 6: Unfiltered wrap up show we're gonna be doing around two
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  Speaker 6: thirty down in the studio.
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  Speaker 6: Let's go to mini cams. All right, we're at many camp.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, so what do you guys?
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  Speaker 3: What are we watching? What's what's on your bucket? I'd
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  Speaker 3: say the first of these attendants. I mean, it sounds
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  Speaker 3: a little bit basic, but that's what you're curious about.
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  Speaker 3: The Tourgunia Andam. We've seen most of these guys arobout.
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  Speaker 2: The days here.
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  Speaker 3: I would guess that most of them will be here
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  Speaker 3: today as well.
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  Speaker 6: Some guys come them in you see continuing to work
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  Speaker 6: for some things. But I think the first place you
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  Speaker 6: have to start contendants.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, they've had really good attendance, I would say through
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  Speaker 5: the voluntary portion of practice, emphasis on voluntary. They they've
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  Speaker 5: had a really good turnout in those practices. So we've
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  Speaker 5: we pretty much seen everybody come through at least one
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  Speaker 5: practice here over the last couple of weeks, which has
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  Speaker 5: been nice and been good for us, but also I'm
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  Speaker 5: sure good for the team. But in terms of battles
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  Speaker 5: or just competitions in this training camp, I feel like
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  Speaker 5: we have a pretty good idea of most of who
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  Speaker 5: the top line guys are going to be but you
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  Speaker 5: look at wide receiver, that room is crowded and there's
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  Speaker 5: a lot of bodies to work out in that room.
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  Speaker 5: And then on the offensive line, there's a few spots
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  Speaker 5: that I feel like are still up for grabs, mainly
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  Speaker 5: left guard, and who's going to be playing next to
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  Speaker 5: Will Campbell is a big one for this team right now.
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  Speaker 5: A couple of different guys, you know, Cole Strange and
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  Speaker 5: West Tweitzer, the veteran, have had reps there, but I
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  Speaker 5: don't think anything is set in stone about who's going
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  Speaker 5: to be next to Campbell.
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  Speaker 7: A couple of years ago, first round pick. Finally healthy
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  Speaker 7: this year. I mean he said last year at this
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  Speaker 7: time he was still learning how to walk. So highly
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  Speaker 7: athletic kid. I know this discussion about his draft status
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  Speaker 7: what is, but he's here now is what is fourth season.
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  Speaker 3: It's time to put it all together.
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  Speaker 7: Made for cool Strange, huge opportunity for him at left guard,
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  Speaker 7: and I'd love to see him to take advantage of it.
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  Speaker 3: I think he's got plus athleticism if if he's able
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  Speaker 3: to put it all together this season.
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  Speaker 2: So what you're gonna see today is basically a walkthrough,
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  Speaker 2: but you will see, you know, some positional drills. At
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  Speaker 2: some point we're going to have to turn our cameras
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  Speaker 2: off because of rules. But this is a mini camp.
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  Speaker 2: It's a teaching environment. It's not training camp yet. There's
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  Speaker 2: no pads. As you can see, guys are in shorts.
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  Speaker 2: They're starting to arrive now getting on the field. We
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  Speaker 2: saw Haro Landry get on the field. He's a big
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  Speaker 2: addition in the offseason. So I know, for myself, I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to be looking, you know, I'm gonna be checking
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  Speaker 2: out these new guys. How are they fitting in, Not
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  Speaker 2: just the offensive line guys, but guys like Harol Landry
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  Speaker 2: and you know people that they added through free agency.
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  Speaker 3: Chase On too as well, those two edge guys.
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  Speaker 7: This defense has been largely remade, remade this offseason, and
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  Speaker 7: you see bits and pieces.
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  Speaker 3: Of it here and there.
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  Speaker 7: It looks a lot different than what we're used to seeing.
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  Speaker 7: And you know, it's a defense guy. I'm excited to
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  Speaker 7: see some of those changes. I think this defense can
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  Speaker 7: be very aggressive, and I think there's an aggressive tone
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  Speaker 7: just being set across the team right now. You see
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  Speaker 7: it with Mike Rabel running from drill to drill, preaching energy.
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  Speaker 7: We've seen a lot of that through three OTA practices.
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  Speaker 7: I'm sure this will be maybe even a little bit
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  Speaker 7: more intense. I know our friend Paul, who isn't here
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  Speaker 7: unfortunately today. We like to joke that really, mini camp,
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  Speaker 7: like you said, Fred, is just an extension of OTAs,
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  Speaker 7: but this is mandatory mini caamp.
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  Speaker 3: So I do think there's a little bit of extra
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  Speaker 3: juice here today. I know, I'm excited.
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  Speaker 7: We're broadcasting live, We're doing a whole thing for it.
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  Speaker 7: This is the last time we're going to see these
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  Speaker 7: guys until training camp, so I think we make the
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  Speaker 7: most of it.
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  Speaker 3: It's a good day, and we'll be here tomorrow as well. Yep,
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  Speaker 3: So you'll get two days of mini camp from US.
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  Speaker 2: Live shows, and again at around two thirty we're going
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  Speaker 2: to be having a wrap up show. So I know
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  Speaker 2: we have to turn our cameras off at around one
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  Speaker 2: oh five or so, but we'll still be here. We'll
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  Speaker 2: watch the rest of practice and we'll wrap it up
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  Speaker 2: around two thirty, and I think we might even have
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  Speaker 2: a guest in the studio.
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  Speaker 3: Great, so great. It's a big day here at Gillette Stadium.
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  Speaker 2: Someone we haven't really mentioned yet, but all eyes will
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  Speaker 2: be on Drake May as always. He started OTAs at
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  Speaker 2: least the ones that we were able to see a
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  Speaker 2: little bit slow this season, but he really picked it
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  Speaker 2: up that last practice.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's been fun to watch him and Josh McDaniels
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  Speaker 5: together with McDaniel's being back, and we know this offense
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  Speaker 5: is going to take time to come together.
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  Speaker 6: There's going to be some growing pains as they learn
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  Speaker 6: a new system.
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  Speaker 5: And that's how I would categorize some of the things
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  Speaker 5: we saw in the first couple of OTA practices with
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  Speaker 5: Drake May was just getting his feet wet in this
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  Speaker 5: offense and really going from the classroom and putting it
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  Speaker 5: on the practice field, and the difference that did different
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  Speaker 5: calls and the different way they do things and the
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  Speaker 5: cadences and all that kind of stuff. But then we
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  Speaker 5: were out here last week and he had probably his
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  Speaker 5: best practice that we've seen so far of the spring.
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  Speaker 5: Looked much more comfortable, much more in rhythm. Saw some
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  Speaker 5: of those Drake May downfield Wow throws, big time throw.
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  Speaker 5: So I thought last week was his best practice out
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  Speaker 5: of the three we've seen so far. So you're seeing
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  Speaker 5: it get better and better as each week goes along.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I was going to say. We want
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  Speaker 3: to see it continue to get better.
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  Speaker 7: Today shouldn't be a straight line, right learning a new offense,
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  Speaker 7: There's going to be ups and downs.
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  Speaker 3: There might be a couple interceptions. I don't think it's
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  Speaker 3: the end of the world.
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  Speaker 7: But seeing Drake may Moore in command and control of
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  Speaker 7: the offense seemed in those early practices like he was
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  Speaker 7: thinking a lot. You could see a little bit and
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  Speaker 7: there no you know, see those things start to continue
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  Speaker 7: to get better think would be a great sign. And
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  Speaker 7: as we've been talking about all off season, guys, this season,
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  Speaker 7: it's a lot on Drake may I don't want to
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  Speaker 7: put too much on him, but quarterback, second year elite,
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  Speaker 7: we know how important this position is in the NFL,
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  Speaker 7: and I think we're all hoping that Drake may takes
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  Speaker 7: that big step forward.
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  Speaker 2: And if I'm Mike Vrabel and the coaches, this is
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  Speaker 2: your last opportunity before camp, so you've got you know,
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  Speaker 2: this mini camp again, you mentioned it was mandatory, Mike.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody's here, rookies.
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  Speaker 2: And veterans, and you want to kind of leave camp
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  Speaker 2: on a good note because now you're going to have
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  Speaker 2: this gap between you know, June eleventh and middle of
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  Speaker 2: July when they start showing up again. That's a long time,
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  Speaker 2: you know, relatively speaking, So you want to make sure
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  Speaker 2: that you get a lot in these next couple of
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  Speaker 2: days and that you ended on a good note both
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  Speaker 2: offense and defense.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, I was just looking back at my notes
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  Speaker 7: because I seem to recall and as I look at
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  Speaker 7: my mini cam note from last year, you know, Jalen
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  Speaker 7: Polk ends things with a fade TD.
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  Speaker 3: It was a big play.
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  Speaker 7: The defense did push ups put a cap on a
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  Speaker 7: great spring for Jalen Polk, who carried some of that
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  Speaker 7: momentum in the training camp. Unfortunately wasn't able to carry
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  Speaker 7: it into the regular season. So they did on an
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  Speaker 7: end on a half high note last year didn't mean anything.
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  Speaker 7: Maybe not so much for Jalen Polpe, but I totally
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  Speaker 7: agree Fred having a big play like that, just some
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  Speaker 7: kind of play to feel good about as you go
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  Speaker 7: into this next six weeks until training camp starts.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's all about setting the table for training camp.
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  Speaker 5: This is where you set that foundation. And we're showing
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  Speaker 5: two guys on the monitor right now. Efton Chisholm wearing eighty,
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  Speaker 5: who's one of those guys that look do we know
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  Speaker 5: it's real yet or not? Probably not until we see
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  Speaker 5: the pads on and see him in preseason, but Fton
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  Speaker 5: Chishom's looked great out here in the spring. And that's
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  Speaker 5: the type of thing that you do this time of year,
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  Speaker 5: is you put yourself in position to then compete for
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  Speaker 5: the roster and training. Canny came out with another one
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  Speaker 5: of your favorites. Yeah, Land Larrison thirty four. You see
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  Speaker 5: Davis Product, who led that level of football in scrimmage.
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  Speaker 5: Pretty much every running back stat that you could think
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  Speaker 5: of last year has that look of a Patriots third
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  Speaker 5: down back. Chisholm has that look of a slot receiver
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  Speaker 5: in Josh mcdaniels's offense.
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  Speaker 2: So we'll see see you see Will Campbell number sixty
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  Speaker 2: six coming on right there.
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  Speaker 6: With Jack con in Boston College.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, which doesn't too many favors because Jack Connelly is
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  Speaker 7: a giant human being.
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  Speaker 3: If if anybody can actually.
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  Speaker 7: Make Will Campbell look a little small, but Will Campbell's
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  Speaker 7: six to six, three hundred and twenty fans is, so
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  Speaker 7: he's got plenty of size.
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  Speaker 3: But it's funny. When he stands next to those guys,
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  Speaker 3: you forget how big they are.
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  Speaker 7: Marcus Bryant as well, the other draft pick that they
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  Speaker 7: had another huge tackle.
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  Speaker 2: Out in the back of the field is where the
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  Speaker 2: offensive lineman. We used to call it Dante's Inferno. I
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  Speaker 2: think we should still call it that day, agreed. That's
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  Speaker 2: where the offensive lineman go, you know, between position. When
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  Speaker 2: they have their positional drills, they go back there. So
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  Speaker 2: that's where they were heading out there.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So otherwise, weather today, in case everyone's interested, it's a
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  Speaker 2: little unseasonably cool. I would say, yeah, not too bad,
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  Speaker 2: but it's overcast. In terms of the players, this must
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  Speaker 2: be great.
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  Speaker 3: I love it. I mean it's about sixty degrees.
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  Speaker 2: A little windy, so that might affect any kicking maybe
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  Speaker 2: later in the practice, but it's it's great weather for
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  Speaker 2: the players for sure.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Last week, Deuce's boy, Jabrill Peppers was on Twitter saying
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  Speaker 5: how hot it was at one of the practices we
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  Speaker 5: had that ninety degree day here in Fox Parthing. It
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  Speaker 5: was what last Thursday? It was pretty hot? He was like,
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  Speaker 5: I think we practiced in Asana I think was the
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  Speaker 5: what he tweeted. So today they'll have a nice day
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  Speaker 5: out here. Always good when it's overcast too, and you're
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  Speaker 5: not like the sun's not beating down on you in
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  Speaker 5: the middle of the field.
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  Speaker 6: So yeah, perfect weather.
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  Speaker 3: If I can jump in here real quick.
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  Speaker 7: We got a good shot here, right, two rookie edge
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  Speaker 7: defenders Elijah Ponder number ninety one, who was undrafted guy,
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  Speaker 7: and Braden Swinson as well, who was a draft pick.
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  Speaker 3: Just two really interesting guys. You brought in.
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  Speaker 7: Two veteran edge presence Fred mentioned Harold Landry k Levon
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  Speaker 7: Chase on on both sides, they've been getting a lot
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  Speaker 7: of run. But I think a big question for you know,
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  Speaker 7: going into camp is can one of these two guys
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  Speaker 7: or even both of them start to find a role.
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  Speaker 7: I think there's opportunity in the edge position, certainly older
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  Speaker 7: guys that they brought in veterans, so some youth there.
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  Speaker 7: Those are two guys I'm gonna be watching a lot
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  Speaker 7: this springing into the summer.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, especially that situational pass rusher role.
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  Speaker 5: Can one of those guys coming on third down and
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  Speaker 5: maybe offer a little bit more juice off the edge
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  Speaker 5: and allow Keon White to kick a little bit further inside,
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  Speaker 5: or you know, Harold Landry didn't exactly have the best
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  Speaker 5: pass rush metrics last year, so maybe he comes off
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  Speaker 5: the field for somebody that's got a little bit more
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  Speaker 5: juice in the I'm hoping to that Braden Swinston kind
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  Speaker 5: of turns it on a little bit as we go here.
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  Speaker 5: I haven't noticed him a ton in the first couple
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  Speaker 5: of practices, so maybe as we get deeper into this,
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  Speaker 5: he starts to make an impression.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, up until the point that they get
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  Speaker 2: into pads, how do you judge an offensive or a
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  Speaker 2: defensive line? No, that's a fair question, is a serious question,
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  Speaker 2: like what are you looking for if you're one of
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  Speaker 2: their position coaches or if you're Mike Vrabel or one
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  Speaker 2: of us looking like.
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  Speaker 3: How do you judge someone in these conditions? I think
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  Speaker 3: it starts with communication and being all on the same page.
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  Speaker 7: You hear an offensive line coaches talk a lot about
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  Speaker 7: seeing it all through the same set of eyes. I
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  Speaker 7: think this is where you set that foundation and the cutting,
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  Speaker 7: loose rushers coming in, miscommunications, those kind of things I
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  Speaker 7: think are the biggest no nos at this stage of
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  Speaker 7: the game because it is really hard to judge physically,
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  Speaker 7: how you're going to deal with, you know, your sets
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  Speaker 7: and are you getting deep enough? Should they go back
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  Speaker 7: and look at the film and they can probably judge
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  Speaker 7: that a little bit, But for me, I think it
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  Speaker 7: all starts with communication, starting to get on the same page,
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  Speaker 7: building that camaraderie. We've seen a lot of different rotations,
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  Speaker 7: different guys. Evan mentioned the battle at left guard. You've
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  Speaker 7: seen many people at right guard too. You've seen a
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  Speaker 7: bunch of guys at center. You see even with the
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  Speaker 7: second group, so you know right tackles going in when
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  Speaker 7: Morgan Mouses was out earlier. So a lot of opportunities
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  Speaker 7: there along the offensive line of them all getting familiar
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  Speaker 7: with each other.
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  Speaker 2: While you were talking, Mike, our camo's were fixed on
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  Speaker 2: Trevion Henderson, and there's somebody in that position where even
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  Speaker 2: if you're not tackling, you can kind of get a
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  Speaker 2: sense of his movement.
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  Speaker 3: You know, his burst, the power in the way he runs.
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  Speaker 2: You know that's something that you can tell, you know
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  Speaker 2: when guys are even in shorts without pads and so
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  Speaker 2: far he looks the part.
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  Speaker 3: He sure does. I mean he floats, he floats through.
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  Speaker 7: You could just tell he's got explosiveness and I'm really
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  Speaker 7: excited about him.
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  Speaker 3: How are they going to use him?
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  Speaker 7: Though last couple of years feels like they got away
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  Speaker 7: from being so down specific. We remember the days of
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  Speaker 7: Sony Michelle's in on early downs and James White's in
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  Speaker 7: on later downs. I don't know if Josh McDaniel still
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  Speaker 7: prefer that kind of set up, but I think with
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  Speaker 7: the three backs that they have between Ramandre Gibson and
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  Speaker 7: now Henderson, you know, those top three, that all three
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  Speaker 7: of them could probably play third down. I mean, I
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  Speaker 7: think Henderson has definitely skewed more towards that third down back.
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  Speaker 7: He's a little smaller, He's probably not going to get
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  Speaker 7: the short yardage carries, but his element of explosiveness, I
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  Speaker 7: just think the more you can get that on the
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  Speaker 7: field and really make that an element of offense, the better.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I think you're gonna see maybe potentially some unique formations
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  Speaker 5: with him in personnel groupings because his explosiveness and his
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  Speaker 5: speed is going to be a different dynamic than some
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  Speaker 5: of the other guys. You know, receivers and tight ends
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  Speaker 5: can bring to the table. So even seeing two running
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  Speaker 5: backs out there on the field at once might be
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  Speaker 5: able to have treyvon Henderson play a little bit of
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  Speaker 5: a different role and move around the formation.
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  Speaker 2: It's funny you talk about formations. A couple of weeks ago,
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  Speaker 2: we had Craig James in the studio for a patch
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  Speaker 2: from the past and yeah, thinking of the Pony Express, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: maybe you bring that back the Pony package.
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  Speaker 3: That's where it came from.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, him and Eric Dickerson back at SMU, right, So yeah,
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  Speaker 5: it just it's hard to watch treyvon Henderson and not
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  Speaker 5: think that this team needs that kind of energy. They
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  Speaker 5: need that kind of explosiveness and speed on the field
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  Speaker 5: as much as they possibly can. But at the same time,
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  Speaker 5: he's not the biggest of back, so you don't want
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  Speaker 5: to overwork him and worry about you know, tread or
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  Speaker 5: injuries or anything like that.
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  Speaker 6: So there is a happy medium to it.
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  Speaker 5: But even if he's on the field and they're using
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  Speaker 5: him as a decoy, you know on a jet motion
• 14:24
  Speaker 5: or you know, a passing to the flat or something
• 14:26
  Speaker 5: like that, that opens up space for somebody else, it's
• 14:29
  Speaker 5: going to be useful. I've just been really impressed by him,
• 14:32
  Speaker 5: and even he's got a little bit even more wiggle
• 14:34
  Speaker 5: than I think I thought you know, you knew about
• 14:36
  Speaker 5: the straight line speed at Ohio State, but being able
• 14:39
  Speaker 5: to make guys misses another thing too.
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: Yes, I saw earlier Milton Williams just walking to the
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: back of the field.
• 14:48
  Speaker 3: He's a big guy.
• 14:49
  Speaker 7: He's a big guy, and it's funny in retrospect now
• 14:52
  Speaker 7: it really makes a lot of sense when you see
• 14:54
  Speaker 7: the kind of defense that they are prescribing that they
• 14:57
  Speaker 7: want to run and what Milton Williams brings toy table.
• 15:00
  Speaker 7: I think Christian Barmore had some uncertainty coming into this offseason.
• 15:03
  Speaker 7: So far, it seems like he's a full go. I
• 15:06
  Speaker 7: don't want to declare that, but no, he's a full participant.
• 15:09
  Speaker 7: He doesn't look like he's limited in any way at
• 15:11
  Speaker 7: this point.
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: To me, that's one of the best things that's happened
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: so far this offseason. Is like you said, it seems
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: like he's one hundred percent.
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: It does. He looks ready to go. It looks in
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: great shape too.
• 15:22
  Speaker 7: Yeah, but it's clear why they brought in Milton Williams
• 15:24
  Speaker 7: and the impact that he can potentially have. Probably have
• 15:27
  Speaker 7: to play a little bit more, but I would put
• 15:29
  Speaker 7: the rest of the NFL on notice with Christian Barmore
• 15:31
  Speaker 7: and Milton Williams together in the center of that defensive line.
• 15:33
  Speaker 7: It's there both can be and I think that helps
• 15:35
  Speaker 7: a guy like Keon White. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah, I'm.
• 15:38
  Speaker 6: Glad you brought that up. With Barmore being a full participant.
• 15:41
  Speaker 5: That's been probably the most positive development of the entire
• 15:44
  Speaker 5: spring is that he looks like his old self and
• 15:46
  Speaker 5: looks like he's he's fully healthy.
• 15:48
  Speaker 6: From what we have seen.
• 15:49
  Speaker 5: And you put him in Milton Williams on the interior
• 15:52
  Speaker 5: next to each other and some of the things that
• 15:54
  Speaker 5: they can do together with the picks and the games
• 15:56
  Speaker 5: and things that you can run on the line of scrimmage,
• 15:58
  Speaker 5: and then you put Keyon White in there as well.
• 16:00
  Speaker 6: I think he's had a pretty nice spring. We've seen
• 16:02
  Speaker 6: him in the backfield quite a.
• 16:03
  Speaker 5: Bit and maybe playing a little bit more of his
• 16:05
  Speaker 5: hand in the dirt and a you know, more natural
• 16:08
  Speaker 5: position for him than standing up on his feet at
• 16:10
  Speaker 5: two eighty five, two ninety. So those three guys in
• 16:13
  Speaker 5: Harold Landry has been pretty consistently, you know, the top
• 16:17
  Speaker 5: group out there.
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: On the deepense.
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: Okay, let's go downstairs and Mike Rabel is about to
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: start his press conference.
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: Good, good hike, Karen.
• 16:28
  Speaker 5: If Drake may as kind of a natural born leader
• 16:33
  Speaker 5: or someone who's more evolving into that role, well, I.
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: Think we're always trying to evolve in what we do,
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: whether that's leadership, whether that's learning the other side of
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: the football, that's learning each other. So again, Drake's you know,
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: I think it's a unique position. Being twenty two, it's
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: kind of unique in that sense, and so I think
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: that there is a lot of room to grow. I
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: think there's a lot of natural leadership qualities. I think
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: I have to encourage him and continue to encourage him
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: and to put him in those positions to do that
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: so that the players understand, you know, that there's a
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: different version of all of us. There's one that's maybe
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: off the field, that there's one in the meeting room,
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: and then there's a version on the field which we
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: all have to understand is somewhat different than what it
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: may be off the field.
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: Makes a good leader as a quarterback, like.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: I think, I don't think it matters if you're a
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: quarterback or a you know, offensive lineman or a running
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: back or defensive back. It's it's about your ability to
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: reach certain players that maybe you know, again, we don't
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: want to have any gaps, and so hopefully that you
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: know what to do, that you're prepared, you do the
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: things right the right way. You're a good listener. I
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: think you can adapt to what happens and adapt to
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: the people that you're talking to, maybe based on what
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: they they need, as far as sometimes people need a
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: little different encouraging and sometimes you need a little bit
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: firmer hand and maybe a little bit more firmer stance.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: And I think that's all important of understanding and getting
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: to know each person before you can can start to
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: lead them. Like, yeah, is it kind of reviewing the
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: things you've done in the spring?
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: Is it competing? Is it setting the stage.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: Full with Campbell?
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: Bill?
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: I think that's where things have kind of changed. This
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: is just an extension of the last nine or ten
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: days that we've had on the field. That's going to
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: look the same. They're just the only difference is that
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: there's the time constraint isn't the same. We're not under
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: the same time So we're going to continue on with
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: our installation, you know, start to try to put first, second,
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: third down together, move down into the red zone and
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: so all those things that you talked about as far
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: as is competing, that's never going to change when we
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: come out here to practice. We just have to understand that,
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: you know, there's parameters to how we compete and stand
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: away from the quarterback can stand off the ground and
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: not going through receivers without pads on. So really for us,
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: nothing's going to change from the first three weeks.
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: How was steff On Digg's done since you know, coming
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: to New England last week?
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: Good?
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: I mean just trying to you know, figure out where
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: where everything is and and you know, what his role
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: is and making sure that as we add those situations
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: the third down and no huddle in the red zone,
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: that he's staying up on it. It's working hard in
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: his in his rehab. When he can certain drills he
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: can be out there, and there's certain drills that he
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: he won't be. But I think he's engaged and uh
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: they're there, you know. I like his energy.
• 19:39
  Speaker 8: Christian Barmber when we talked a few weeks ago, so
• 19:41
  Speaker 8: he was confident that his medical issues were behind him
• 19:44
  Speaker 8: from last year. Do you share that same confidence and
• 19:46
  Speaker 8: what have you seen from him in the time you've
• 19:48
  Speaker 8: been with him here for these three or four weeks.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm not going to comment on Christian's medical status.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: I'll leave that up to him. But what I've seen
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: as a player that is excited, that is coachable, extremely coachable,
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: has some versatility. He's rushed inside, he's lined up outside,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: It's worked extremely hard. You've seen him chase and play
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: with great effort and just down the field and excited
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: to see where he's at. But I've seen a lot
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: of just improvement and a lot of engagement from him
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: since the time that we've been here.
• 20:23
  Speaker 7: Experience very early.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: But looking at that defensive front, kind of following up
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: on that little bit, how is that group coming together
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: with Milton and Christian and Kan altogether. Well, there's a
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: lot of other names out there as well, so I
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: wouldn't just single those three out. I think that's that's
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: got to be a strength for us this year, and
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: those sat front seven, and we certainly invested in that position,
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: and I like how they're competing. I like how they're working,
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: and this is a tough time. It's just like, hey,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: rush the passer, you know, be a physical presence as
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: a D lineman. But to a certain extent in the
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: spring and then pull back and then get out of
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: the way, no bull rush and all these things that
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: we give them. But but I'm excited where they're at
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: and they're learning a lot of installation. I think they're
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: working well together. I think they're communicating, which is which
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: is important. I think they're they're working hard, and they're
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: getting in shape from experience.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: So how much can culture impact wins and losses? And
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: can it compensate for talent efficiencies?
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure that that's you know, I don't
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: know what the analytical number is, but I think that
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: there's certainly a way too. There's a style in which
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: you can play, uh that can lead to success. But
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: but but again that's never gonna make up for for
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: execution and and and players making making plays. But hopefully
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: that we're prepared, we play hard, and you know, we
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: take advantage. We get good enough where we can take
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: advantage of bad football going.
• 21:55
  Speaker 6: Through the spring. How have you gone to know to
• 21:58
  Speaker 6: Mario Douglass and what have you learned about him and
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: his play style?
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Well, I love the person. I love his attitude, I
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: love his spirit. He loves a practice, he loves to
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: play this game. He loves football. That that shows. I
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: think he's gotten better. I think there's moving him around
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: different places, and he's picked up everything that we've asked
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: him to do, so that the more that he understands,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: the more we give him. And so I'm excited to
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: see where he continues to be and continue to grow.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: The competition it left guarded early on him. Well, we'll
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: be able to evaluate I think the lineman once we
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: get to training camp. So moving a lot of guys
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: through there, but really we'll have to make a lot
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: of those decisions and determinations once once we get to
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: training camp and there's pads and start stacking some days together.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: This is purely a passing camp, and so I don't
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: know if you get a full evaluation without shoulder pads
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: on as an offensive lineman.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: You said it's a passing the camp.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: What do you see problem the receiver.
• 22:57
  Speaker 6: There's obviously a lot of guys. You see a big
• 22:59
  Speaker 6: storting out part of the screen.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: Well, I think guys are stepping up and taking advantage
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: of opportunities, or some guys that are working off on
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: the side. Uh, some guys that have haven't been available
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: to us, And I think that every day somebody shows
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: us something, it's can we continue to do it consistently? Right,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: We'll go down in the red zone and see who
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: can kind of catch, you know, maybe make some plays
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: and contested catches and tight windows. And but but I
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: but I like how they've worked. I've liked how they've responded,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: you know, thrown a lot at them now with you know,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: first second, third down and then adding red zone and
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: no huddle. So hopefully you know they're ready to go
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: today with all those situations. Your analytics can't.
• 23:44
  Speaker 8: Sling the practice on one says that something you've done
• 23:46
  Speaker 8: in the past, and what's the thinking behind that.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: I just felt like, hopefully we can get two good
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: days of work here and and get going on to
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: the off season program and we'll still work.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: I just.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Then want to come out. We'll be out on the field,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: we'll be lifting and running and meeting.
• 24:04
  Speaker 8: How do you do about analytics as a tool, the
• 24:06
  Speaker 8: advent of analytics and how much it's.
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: Changed in the fifteen to twenty years.
• 24:10
  Speaker 8: Some people mean on it heavily, some people use it
• 24:14
  Speaker 8: as kind of a guide.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: What do you do?
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: We want to use technology to the best of our ability?
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: And what we can do to help us be more efficient,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: to help us make better decisions and formed decisions. I
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: don't think it's that. I don't think you can rely
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: and base every decision off the numbers, But I also
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: think that those are important to ask questions and then
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: be able to follow up and come to a sound
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: decision on everything we do, personnel, coaching decisions, player health
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: and safety, strength and conditioning, every aspect of our program.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: Hopefully we'll have some analytical background and data that we
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: can rely on on that they can ask questions, and
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: then when you look at coaching and self scout and
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: an opponent breakdown how we become more efficient, uh with
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: with that system.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: A couple of questions.
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: About leadership at Drake a little bit earlier, just wanted
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: to fall up on one thing. How have you seen
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: him kind of handle that balance? I imagine it's difficult
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: to balance between being the guy that everybody likes and
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: wants to be around, but also being demanding.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Is that something they, Yeah, this is pro football. I
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: don't think everybody's gonna like you. I don't think that
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: that's something that that is possible, and we have to
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: just we have to do our job. We have to
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: make sure that we're prepared and that ultimately the players
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: can hold each other accountable to to play to our
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: standard and play to our identity and and know what
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: to do and perform an ability to maybe push guys
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: and not care about what that's that's that's evolving, and
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: that's that's a work in progress. I think we're all
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: learning each other a little bit. I think we're all,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: you know, kind of learning the system and learning the plays,
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: and once we we master it, I think that's going
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: to start to separate itself.
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: With one of the assistants he brought in, I don't
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: think you had so much experience with as some of
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: the others. Hey, what appealed to you about him joining
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: the staff And since he was hired, what has he done.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: With the edge group to help him along.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: Mike's a good team. He's a very good pass rush teacher.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: He's a excellent teacher that breaks film down, that can
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: explain moves, that can show guys these moves. He's coached
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: a lot of good pass rushers, whether they're in a
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: two point stance a three point stance, they had a
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: certain play style. The thing I really appreciate about appreciate
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: about Mike is he can cater into every play style
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: and skill set and he'll show KC moves and he'll
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: show Keon different moves and one may be better at
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: another one, and so it's not one size fits all,
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: and he's able to coach to all those different guys
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: and I think you'll see it and have seen it
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: on translate to the practice field. I think the moves
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: and the things that they do an individual translates to
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: the team. So that's the thing we want to do
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: is make sure that our drills translate to the team
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: periods and then ultimately to the games.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: Josh McDaniels questions guys.
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: Josh McDaniels mentioned that some of the offensive coaches were
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: showing him cut ups at things he wanted to integrate.
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: I'm curious, how important was it for you to integrate
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: some of those principles and what is it about maybe
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: some West Coast things that you wanted to bring here
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: to New England.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: I think they are always that you want to have
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: a very inclusive staff. You want to make sure that
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: people feel comfortable sharing ideas. We understand that not everybody's
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: idea is going to get used, and that goes for defense,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: that goes for offense. You know, we have to come
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: together and decide what's best for the football team and
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: you know what our players can handle, and again, what
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: can can marry with what we're already doing, and what
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: are some some change ups to those things. So I
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: love the ideas that everybody has been able to bring
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: and then hopefully we can blend it here in training camp.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Here there'll be a couple of players for personal reasons,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: but other than that, we don't have any holdouts, if
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: that's what you mean. But there's a couple personal situations
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: that are going to keep a couple guys from being
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: out here.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: That's Mike Rabel with his opening mini camp press conference.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: And I don't know about you guys, but one thing
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: that really kind of struck me was when he was
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: talking about Christian Barmore and he was talking about he's coachable,
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: he's excited. We probably know more about Christian Barber than
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: Mike Rabel, does you know what I mean? Because you
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: forget that, like, yeah, we've had Christian Barmer here for
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: a couple of years, but Mike Rabel hasn't.
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: He's new to him.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: So when I hear him say, well he's coachable, why
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: did he choose that adjective that descriptor that's a good
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: sign that in Mike Rabel's mind he's taking in what
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: we're telling him.
• 28:50
  Speaker 6: So that kind of struck out, And.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: So that goes for all the veterans that we're so
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: accustomed to that we know a lot about, but Mike
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: Rabel's learning for the first time, and they're learning about
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: their coach as well.
• 29:02
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I found myself wondering sometimes, like a new coach
• 29:05
  Speaker 7: comes into a system like this, you need to learn
• 29:08
  Speaker 7: a lot of the players you're gonna have. So how
• 29:09
  Speaker 7: what's that study like breaking down your players that you're
• 29:12
  Speaker 7: going to have. But you're right, Fred as the as
• 29:14
  Speaker 7: the head coach, he's got a lot to do. Great
• 29:16
  Speaker 7: to hear that perspective on bar Moore didn't anticipate he
• 29:20
  Speaker 7: was going to dive too much into the problems. And
• 29:23
  Speaker 7: you know, if they're behind him or not, but overall
• 29:25
  Speaker 7: he's out there. He's out here again today I heard
• 29:28
  Speaker 7: Mike two mentioned at the end some of the guys
• 29:31
  Speaker 7: that haven't I haven't checked off yet. Did see Julani
• 29:34
  Speaker 7: Tavai here looks like his leg is wrapped. He got
• 29:36
  Speaker 7: injured in the last practice that we saw. Reports were
• 29:39
  Speaker 7: probably out till training camp with a with a calf injury.
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: But just a few players. I don't know.
• 29:43
  Speaker 7: Ivan, you can chime in if you've seen any of
• 29:45
  Speaker 7: these guys, but ninety nine key On White, I haven't
• 29:47
  Speaker 7: seen yet, sixty nine Cold Strange, Matt Collins, we haven't
• 29:51
  Speaker 7: really seen him all spring. He's been essentially a coach
• 29:54
  Speaker 7: working with some of the players he's been around, but
• 29:57
  Speaker 7: not in Pats And last one I have is Miles
• 29:59
  Speaker 7: Battle and West Schweitzer. So just a handful of guys
• 30:02
  Speaker 7: who happened around, but ke On White and Cole Strain
• 30:04
  Speaker 7: is probably the most notable. Two guys that we haven't
• 30:07
  Speaker 7: checked off yet might be the two that that Mike
• 30:09
  Speaker 7: was talking about.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: And it's funny, you know what a difference from the
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: past here when Rabel gets right to the point where
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: it's holding out. That's what I want to know, you know,
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: because that is really at the end of the day,
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: why you're asking.
• 30:21
  Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, one other site just to share that
• 30:23
  Speaker 7: I thought was was good, was Josh McDaniels walking up
• 30:27
  Speaker 7: talking to Stefan Diggs up the stairs. It looked like
• 30:29
  Speaker 7: they were laughing a little bit. Josh had his arm
• 30:31
  Speaker 7: around Stefan Diggs so excited to see what Josh McDaniels
• 30:35
  Speaker 7: is cooking up in the lab with Stefan Diggs.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: It should be fun. Well, the question with him is
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: is he going to be ready on day one? Right?
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: But I mean it's amazing how ready he looks.
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: He does he does, yeah, I mean we saw him
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: last week and maybe we'll get to put some of
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: the positional drills up on the screen for people. But
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: I think everybody came away from that practice really encouraged
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: by how Stefan Diggs was moving and how good he
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: looked just six seven months off of surgery here from
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: that ACL in October. So I don't want to put
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: any timelines on it, as the head coach would say,
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: but I do feel like this is way ahead of
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: where other guys, just comparatively speaking, have been that we've
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: experienced here Kendrick Bourne last year and things like that,
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: where we didn't even see any of those guys in
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: training camp. You know, they were pup guys and we
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: never really saw them go through drills. So the fact
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: that it digs on the screen now number eight, like
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: the fact that he's doing these things already is really
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: encouraging not to get too excited.
• 31:31
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• 32:02
  Speaker 3: It's a new partner. Really excited.
• 32:04
  Speaker 7: I'm excited too, Yeah, Evan. Evan's got to get some
• 32:07
  Speaker 7: guardwork going here.
• 32:09
  Speaker 6: Non existent yard.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: So yeah, we can see Diggs and the other wide
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: receivers doing their drills.
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: This is probably the most exciting thing going on right now.
• 32:18
  Speaker 7: I mean it really is, and I mean the fans
• 32:20
  Speaker 7: are now able to see little what we saw in
• 32:22
  Speaker 7: the last OTA practice, which was some of the leadership
• 32:25
  Speaker 7: of Steffan Diggs. You heard about it last year in
• 32:27
  Speaker 7: Houston that he was really a big part of of
• 32:29
  Speaker 7: getting guys like Nico Collins and Tanked Dell up to speed,
• 32:32
  Speaker 7: and you're seeing it here over the last two practices
• 32:35
  Speaker 7: what we've seen with Stefan Diggs, with him, you know,
• 32:37
  Speaker 7: working with Jalen Polk on the side, working on hand
• 32:40
  Speaker 7: fighting a little bit, you know, sharing his knowledge. As
• 32:43
  Speaker 7: much as he was brought here to play wide receiver,
• 32:45
  Speaker 7: I think there's also a big part of it of
• 32:46
  Speaker 7: bringing some you know, kind of that alpha dog mentality to.
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: That wide receiver room. Give everybody somebody to look up to,
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: you know, and look look at.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: I don't want to be a debbie down or you know,
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: get negative on it, but there is that thing about
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: when you have that, you know, type of high profile receiver,
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: you do have to watch out because he's definitely a leader.
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: He likes to you know, coach players.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: We've heard that from the Texans, but also you want
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: to make sure that he's leading them the right way.
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: And I remember when Randy Moss.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: Was here, who was probably the greatest receiver that you know,
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: one of the greatest receivers this team has ever had.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: He was a pied piper, but was he always leading
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: in the right way?
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: And so I know the Patriots spent a lot of
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: time making sure that you know that that was in
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: fact what he was doing.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: So you just have to be careful, you know, especially
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: when practice is over.
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 33:40
  Speaker 7: The word the word that comes to my mind, Fret,
• 33:42
  Speaker 7: as I've thought about this a little bit is jump start.
• 33:44
  Speaker 7: And I think this offense has gone a long time
• 33:46
  Speaker 7: without having that kind of threat that Stefan Diggs still
• 33:49
  Speaker 7: can be.
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: But I think you need something for Drake May. We've
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: talked about it, like getting Drake made that weapon.
• 33:55
  Speaker 7: Didn't really do it a couple of years ago for
• 33:56
  Speaker 7: mac Jones in that year where you're on the QB contract.
• 33:59
  Speaker 7: So you know it's von Digg's going to be the
• 34:01
  Speaker 7: long term solution of why Probably not? But I think
• 34:04
  Speaker 7: that he has enough left that over the next couple
• 34:06
  Speaker 7: of seasons he can jump start this offense and really
• 34:09
  Speaker 7: give Drake May a reliable target that knows how to
• 34:11
  Speaker 7: get open in key spots.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: I just there's nothing more valuable.
• 34:14
  Speaker 7: As much as you want to, we talk about contested
• 34:16
  Speaker 7: catch guys down the field, and you know, I think
• 34:18
  Speaker 7: Drake May has that skill set to hit those guys
• 34:21
  Speaker 7: down the field, but at the same time, it's the
• 34:23
  Speaker 7: guys that can get open. Like Stefante's absolute route technician,
• 34:26
  Speaker 7: and he's going to be a huge help to some
• 34:27
  Speaker 7: of these guys as they learned the playbook he is.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: And you know, I when Moss was here, Brady was
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: the guy who was kind of, I don't want to
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: say his babysitter, but he was kind of the guy
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: making sure that Moss was always focused, always engaged. I
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: don't know if May has the time for that at
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: this point in his career. So you mentioned, you know,
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: Josh McDaniel's walking up the stairs arm maybe he's the guy.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: Maybe he's the guy keeping him focused on football, you know,
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: at least while he's here, because he is going to
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: be the example for the other receivers.
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: YEA, his brother Ben McDaniel's on the text and staff,
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: so it was with Diggs last year, So there might
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: be a little bit of a connection between those two
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: guys already. But I think the encouraging part about Stefan
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: Diggs is that if he's getting his targets, he's going
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: to be happy and there's really nobody else to.
• 35:13
  Speaker 6: Throw the guard the ball to you as much as
• 35:15
  Speaker 6: you want to throw it to Stefan Diggs.
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: So when you don't know the way they're talking about schism.
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: If he's healthy and he's out there, he's going to
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: get one hundred plus targets.
• 35:24
  Speaker 6: This yere easily.
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: So as long as he's getting the ball, like any
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: receiver of that kind of ILK, as long as they're
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: getting the ball, I think they're going to be pretty happy,
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: and he should get the ball a.
• 35:35
  Speaker 6: Lot, a lot.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: You see Josh McDaniel's talking with the other coaches right now.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: They're talking strategy. I'm sure what they want to accomplish
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: in this practice, but let's talk a little x's and oh. So,
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: if you're an opposing defense and you're coming in and
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: you're playing the Patriots, and assuming Stefan Diggs is out there,
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: you know he's the number one target, what can Josh
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: McDaniels do to keep all the defense away, you know,
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: at least ease up the pressure on Digs so that
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: you can get him all those targets.
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a it's a good question, and it's one
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: of those where do you allow them to kind of
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: take him out and then it creates opportunities for the
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: other guys and it's that trickle down effect sort of
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: thing where Okay, maybe he's going to be more of
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: a decoy this week or something along those lines, or
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: do you use things like you know, moving him inside
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: or using him out of a stack you know, two
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: receivers on the line next to each other, or a
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: bunch with three receivers on the line of scrimmage and
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: get him off the line of scrimmage and creative ways
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: like that.
• 36:31
  Speaker 6: Usually when you move guys inside or you move him.
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: Into those different alignments, it becomes harder to like double
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: him out of the game, right because you can't move
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: the bracket all over the place, So like, how do
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: you go about doing that? So there are ways to
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: keep guys away from brackets or double teams. But he's
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: going to see the opposing team's number one corner every
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: single week, and you paid him this money because he's
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: supposed to be able to beat those number one corners,
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: not you know, consistently, at some sort of consistency level.
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: So that's hope is that he still has that juice
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: in the tank to go out there and get open
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: against number one guys. But Josh McDaniels is one of
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: the best guys, I would say in the NFL in
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: terms of offensive coordinators, of finding matchups and scheming guys
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: off the line of scrimmage to keep them away from
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: those traps of the defenses set for them.
• 37:19
  Speaker 6: So I'm really excited to see what he.
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: Has with Diggs because I think he's gonna move him inside, outside,
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: all over the formation. I don't think you're gonna just
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: see Digs running out, you know, into one spot every
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: single week. It's gonna be a ton of different looks
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: that they give defenses.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: And while McDaniels goes over what they're gonna do on
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: the right box, feel like we need Scott Hansen in
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: here for the Dumble Ducks. The team is going through
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: their their conditioning and stretching exercises.
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: You see defense and blue offense and white d catch.
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: So he is here, White, you did, okay?
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: Ke On White's wearing like kind of a different color
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: practice jersey.
• 37:58
  Speaker 6: It's like white and blue.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: It's interesting special. Yeah, so that's a two way player.
• 38:03
  Speaker 6: That's why you missed him.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Travis Hunter e your heart out well.
• 38:06
  Speaker 7: That's good, and then it's uh, I guess really just
• 38:09
  Speaker 7: West Sweitzer Tyrese Robinson. So a couple of guys that
• 38:12
  Speaker 7: have been in the mix for that interior offensive line rotation.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: Again, it's these camps.
• 38:18
  Speaker 7: You show up, you don't know who's going to be
• 38:19
  Speaker 7: at the voluntary ones a couple of weeks ago. It
• 38:21
  Speaker 7: gives a lot of guys different opportunities. Tyrese Robinson. I
• 38:24
  Speaker 7: remember a couple weeks ago him getting thrown in there
• 38:26
  Speaker 7: a bunch. So I think it's a lot of like
• 38:28
  Speaker 7: what you were saying, Fred, even you have a sense
• 38:30
  Speaker 7: of these guys, you study them, but getting to give
• 38:32
  Speaker 7: them opportunities at this point, it's good put them in
• 38:35
  Speaker 7: with the ones, giving them a look. It's along those
• 38:37
  Speaker 7: lines we talked about Fton Chisholm. You know, I I
• 38:40
  Speaker 7: I watched him a lot last practice. I gotta say,
• 38:42
  Speaker 7: I mean, the hype is real. Okay, he can get open,
• 38:45
  Speaker 7: he just he does. He has that savvy you know,
• 38:47
  Speaker 7: I hesitate to jump on these guys.
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: So so he comes in here, no one knew who
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: he was, and all of a sudden everyone's talking about
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: him because he seems.
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: To fit the part of that slot receiver. Yeah, what
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: what has stopped us from people knowing who he was before? Here?
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: Why wasn't he more well known?
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: Isn't because that certain position is just so special for
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: Josh McDaniel's offense, Like you know, yeah.
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Well he went to Eastern Washington, so he went
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: to a smaller school, and he had huge production at
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: Eastern Washington. Actually took down some of Cooper Cups records
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: school records at Eastern Washington. But he was at a
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: Shrine Bowl invite to he went was at the Shrine
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: Bowl this year, and then he ran a four to
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: seven in the forty yard dash. And when you run
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: that slow at the receiver position, teams are just crossing you.
• 39:32
  Speaker 6: Off as a draftable player.
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: You know, the same thing happened to Xavier Orstreppo out
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: of Miami who ran a bad forty times.
• 39:39
  Speaker 6: So you had the bad forty time.
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: He's not the most physically imposing guy out there, but
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: the production in the craftiness is definitely there of an
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: NFL player, And just talking to some of the guys
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: at the Shrine Bowl, they were disappointed that he went undrafted.
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: They really felt like he had draftable tape and looked
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: past the test of what you need to get draft
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: at that specific position. Like everybody's making a big deal
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: about the forty, but nobody's talking about the fact that
• 40:05
  Speaker 5: his short shuttle and his three cone was one of
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: the best at the combine.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna say, if you're looking at the slot receiver,
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: you're not looking at forty.
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: You're looking at quickness in small spaces.
• 40:14
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and so you know, yeah, you.
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: Tell me that he very very high marks in both
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: of those things, especially the short shuttle, you know, the
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: little twenty yard shuttle, well over the ninetieth percentile in
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: the short shuttle drill, and then also a sub seven
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: three cone and a really good three cone time too.
• 40:31
  Speaker 6: So you look at guys you like a.
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: Wes Welker, for example, who ran in like the four
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: to six range and the forty but just had off
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: the charts quickness. You know that definitely can translate specifically
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: to playing in that slot role.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: And there you see eighty six right there, right behind
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: Trevion Henderson.
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: So you know who knows who knows that? I think
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: that the smarts is an underrated aspect of that.
• 40:54
  Speaker 7: Really hard to judge the football smarts of guys when
• 40:57
  Speaker 7: they're coming out, whether it's right or not. Josh McDaniel's
• 41:01
  Speaker 7: system has a reputation for being difficult to pick up
• 41:04
  Speaker 7: for some receivers. So if Ethton Chisholm's really smart and
• 41:07
  Speaker 7: is consistently in the right place where Josh McDaniels wants
• 41:10
  Speaker 7: him to be, you know, last week we saw him
• 41:12
  Speaker 7: starting to get some reps with you know, the upper
• 41:14
  Speaker 7: level guys, and that should.
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: Only continue if he continues to play like that, you know,
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: And I want to talk about that a little bit.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: You know, the reputation the McDaniel's offense being you know,
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: complex and hard to pick up. Is it because it's
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: just so much to absorb or does it you know,
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: especially in the position.
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: Of the slot.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: Does it rely on the player having a high football
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: IQ and being instinctual And that's something sometimes you can't
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: teach and the player either has it or they don't.
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: A lot of at least what in the past it's
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: been in the past. I mean, we don't know exactly
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: what it's going to look like this time around, but
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: in the past, they're reading coverage, so you're you're sight
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: adjusting or you're adjusting your routes based.
• 41:55
  Speaker 6: Off of is it man, is it zone? Is it
• 41:58
  Speaker 6: one high, is it two high? Safeties? Are they playing
• 42:00
  Speaker 6: off or they playing press?
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: And everything within the route has an adjustment to what
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: the coverage is doing. Now, when it's executed properly, it
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: can almost be unstoppable because guys are just breaking away
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: from coverage all the time and finding those open areas
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: on the field. But it takes quarterback and receiver to
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: really see the same picture. And I remember with Brady,
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: it was what Brady saw. It wasn't necessarily what was right,
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: it was what Brady saw. So if Brady was expecting
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: you to break away from this leverage or to sit
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: against that zone, then you did it the way that
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: Tom Brady did it. So all these receivers and Drake
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: May this time of year especially, are getting together and
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: they're figuring out, you know, if he's playing outside leverage
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: on me and it's single high safety, Like, I'm expecting
• 42:45
  Speaker 5: you to run this route this way, right, and you
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: have to be able to do it.
• 42:48
  Speaker 6: So that's the complexity of it.
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: And I think a guy like Chisholm, when you play
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: in that slot, you're reading all these different elements and
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: you have to find these pockets of space in these
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: high traffic areas. And he just has shown a nat
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: in the spring of being able to do those sort
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: of things. And you look at Julian Edelman, former quarterback,
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: Jacoby Myers former quarterback, like those are the guys that
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: have really thrived in that solot role, that have that
• 43:10
  Speaker 5: thinking man's game.
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and eachis that's a good way to put it.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: You see the team getting together in the middle of
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: the field here, just usually sometimes they do this where
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: Brabel just kind of sets the tone.
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: That's what we're looking for today.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: You know, don't hit the quarterback, don't drop the ball,
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: you know, run through the play, finish the play.
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: You know, those types of things. Stay off the ground.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: Just just a little reminder some of the things he
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: said in the press conference earlier and now he's probably
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: repeating to these guys.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, just go back to what Evan was saying real quick.
• 43:41
  Speaker 7: I don't know how as an offensive coordinator you can
• 43:44
  Speaker 7: run that kind of system that essentially is like a
• 43:47
  Speaker 7: living thing. I mean, it adjusts right like it's it's
• 43:49
  Speaker 7: a thoughtful thing. And ever go back to just run
• 43:53
  Speaker 7: the route buddy. You know, I know, I know it's covered.
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: Just run the route.
• 43:56
  Speaker 7: I know there are other systems in the league that
• 43:59
  Speaker 7: will ask you to to convert routes or to adjust them,
• 44:01
  Speaker 7: but as a coordinator, that's one element I can't imagine
• 44:04
  Speaker 7: Josh McDaniels wants to change. It's it's so hard to defend.
• 44:07
  Speaker 7: Like you said, if you have guys that are all
• 44:09
  Speaker 7: on the same page. We saw plenty of times for
• 44:11
  Speaker 7: twenty years. When it gets going, it's impossible to defend.
• 44:14
  Speaker 6: And not every route is a fully an option route. Yeah,
• 44:17
  Speaker 6: so option routes are.
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: You know, you basically have your your cart blunch, you
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: got your freedom to kind of get open. You know,
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: a lot of those option routes are you know, routes
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: that like Edelman would run right like that really truly
• 44:28
  Speaker 5: you could break either way and you had that total freedom.
• 44:31
  Speaker 6: Some of these routes are just conversions where.
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: Like, if this guy's playing off, I'm just going to
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: run a hitch, but if he's playing press, I'm gonna
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: run by him on the go route Like that's those
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: things are pretty simple. It's the option routes, and those
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: tend to be more in the middle of the field
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: that can get overly complex, and every offense has these
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: I should put that out there, like they're running this
• 44:49
  Speaker 5: in San Francisco with Kyle Shanahan, they're running this, you know,
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: down in Miami with Mike McDaniel. It's just the way
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: that it's stressed up, in the way that it's presented
• 44:57
  Speaker 5: that maybe it has been a little bit more complex
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: and pass with companiels.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, it's a passing league, and
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: like you said, so many teams do the same thing
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: and makes it really really hard to defend if you
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: do it right.
• 45:10
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and if you have a smart.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: Quarterback, and that's the hope here in New England is
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: that we've got one and he's going to be able to.
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: Get the answers to the test, as Brady would put it.
• 45:21
  Speaker 7: Yeah, add on with a full house today, a wide receiver,
• 45:24
  Speaker 7: It'll be interesting to see how some of the reps
• 45:26
  Speaker 7: are divvied up in these two camps. It's not the
• 45:29
  Speaker 7: end of the world where guys are, but you certainly
• 45:31
  Speaker 7: get a sense of who's kind of in the mix
• 45:34
  Speaker 7: with the upper group and who's trying to fight their
• 45:36
  Speaker 7: way into that group.
• 45:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and you have the corners all one together today.
• 45:40
  Speaker 5: So that was something from last practice that you just noted.
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: No Carlton Davis, no Marcus Jones and the voluntary practice.
• 45:47
  Speaker 5: They're both here today and that duo Gonzales and Carlton
• 45:51
  Speaker 5: Davis has a chance to be really, really good. So
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: let's see what happens when those receivers get out there
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: today and they have an all pro on one side,
• 45:59
  Speaker 5: in a pro Bowl calib corner on the other side.
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: And can you have a practice like you had last
• 46:03
  Speaker 5: week for Drake May when this whole defense is together,
• 46:06
  Speaker 5: because I kind of think of this defense a little
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: bit as two's like Milton Williams and Christian Barmore kind
• 46:12
  Speaker 5: of that pairing up front, but the safety Dandam you know,
• 46:15
  Speaker 5: Duggar and Peppers. And now you have this cornerback tandem
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: that has a chance to be truly one of the
• 46:20
  Speaker 5: best cornerback tandems in the NFL. I really believe that,
• 46:23
  Speaker 5: especially with Gonzales. Just continue to ascending.
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: So to a end.
• 46:27
  Speaker 5: So we'll see this group out there together today, which
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: will be exciting.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: Well, when the Patriots are at the best, they really
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: got at it in practice, I mean practice was as
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: competitive as the games. Guys like Rodney Harrison were, you know,
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: always chirping Brady, and Brady was chirping back. Who do
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: you think is going to be that a hole on
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: defense this year? That really gives Drake May the business
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: but makes him a better quarterback.
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: Definitely heard Carlton Davis be that kind of guy in
• 46:52
  Speaker 5: the past. He can be a chirper, he can be
• 46:54
  Speaker 5: someone that can do a little trash talking. Christian Barmore
• 46:58
  Speaker 5: is known for being a little bit of a charge
• 47:00
  Speaker 5: a talker out there as well.
• 47:01
  Speaker 6: So maybe in the pass rush, you know, he gets
• 47:03
  Speaker 6: in there and we'll let Drake May hear it.
• 47:05
  Speaker 5: But Davis, in a lot of ways, I just think
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: compliments Gonzales really well.
• 47:09
  Speaker 6: Gonzalez has got.
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: That Stefan Gilmour energy, a little bit quieter Sassin ninja
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: out there, whereas Carlton Davis is that more of that
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: stereotypical number one corner where he's got a little bit
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: of bravado and he's got some you know, pizzazz to
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: his game. He's got those long arms too. You just
• 47:26
  Speaker 5: look at the arms on him that everybody talks about it,
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: you can tell you just look at his body type,
• 47:31
  Speaker 5: that he's got tons of length and physicality and a
• 47:34
  Speaker 5: little bit of snarl to him too.
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: Pepper's is a little loud.
• 47:36
  Speaker 7: To a guy I'd like to highlight, though, is Robert Splaine,
• 47:39
  Speaker 7: who I think if you're just kind of tuning into
• 47:41
  Speaker 7: this season, he's the new man in the middle. Now,
• 47:44
  Speaker 7: he's the guy that's going to be running the defense,
• 47:45
  Speaker 7: calling it. We talked about some of the OTA practices
• 47:48
  Speaker 7: where it seemed like he was consistently blowing up plays
• 47:51
  Speaker 7: in the blackfield.
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: He just seemed to know what was coming. He's going
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: to be a big part.
• 47:54
  Speaker 7: He's a quiet guy though, I don't think he's a
• 47:56
  Speaker 7: trash talker, but he is going to be in the
• 47:58
  Speaker 7: backfield a lot, hopefully this year, tackles for loss plays
• 48:01
  Speaker 7: on the ball.
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: Those are the things hoping for.
• 48:03
  Speaker 7: Veteran Roberts Spulaine, who has been just an absolute tackling
• 48:06
  Speaker 7: beast the last two seasons with the Raiders.
• 48:08
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 48:08
  Speaker 5: I know, I know a few of the Raiders writers
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: and their pists that Splaine left in free agency. Like
• 48:14
  Speaker 5: the Raiders, you know, you always liked that when the
• 48:16
  Speaker 5: fan base and the reporters are like, oh dang, you
• 48:19
  Speaker 5: got our guy. And I remember last week he had
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: a good practice a couple of weeks ago and guy
• 48:24
  Speaker 5: in all the Raiders but was like, oh, what are you?
• 48:27
  Speaker 6: That's Robert Splaine.
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: Just you know, he's not necessarily the biggest name or
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: the guy that people are going to write about first,
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: but he's always around the football, and he's got a
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: great motor and a great instincts to his game and
• 48:39
  Speaker 5: you know, NonStop hustle sideline to sideline.
• 48:43
  Speaker 6: And he made one hundred and fifty something tackles last year.
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: With two years, he's got over three hundred tackles.
• 48:47
  Speaker 6: Yeah, so he's going to just be a tackling machine.
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 48:50
  Speaker 7: And those two guys together, you just saw fifty three
• 48:52
  Speaker 7: and fifty four Christian Ellis, who had a little bit
• 48:54
  Speaker 7: of a breakout season last year, I mean was forced
• 48:56
  Speaker 7: into action due to injuries. Patriots wanted to resign him.
• 49:00
  Speaker 7: The Raiders signed him to a deal maybe to replace
• 49:02
  Speaker 7: Robert Splaine, and the Patriots said, you know what, we
• 49:04
  Speaker 7: not only want Splaine, we want to keep Christian Ellis around.
• 49:07
  Speaker 7: So he's six stuck around on a two year deal.
• 49:09
  Speaker 7: So long Patriots fans have been looking for more mobile linebackers.
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: Like you said, read the sideline to sideline kind of guys.
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: I think this is you know what this defense is
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: going to be.
• 49:18
  Speaker 7: It's all about speed, aggressiveness, and I'm excited to see
• 49:21
  Speaker 7: how I mean.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: You know, Zach Thomas is the guy that comes to mind.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: You know that's sideline, the sideline tackle machine, and people
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: made fun of him.
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: Well, it's all he does is make tackles. What's wrong
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: with that? Yeah, well, I think it depends. If they're
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: eight yards down on the field, it's one thing, but
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: if they're four.
• 49:35
  Speaker 6: He needs some of that too.
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, you do.
• 49:37
  Speaker 5: Somebody's got to take the trash out right exactly. But
• 49:41
  Speaker 5: that will allow and I do you pointed this out
• 49:43
  Speaker 5: a couple of weeks ago. It is a great quote
• 49:45
  Speaker 5: by Splaine where he said he wants his defensive line
• 49:47
  Speaker 5: to get up the field and be aggressive, and he's
• 49:49
  Speaker 5: going to make them right. And when those guys fly
• 49:51
  Speaker 5: up the field, it's going to be the hit or
• 49:53
  Speaker 5: miss sometimes because you are being over overly aggressive. And
• 49:56
  Speaker 5: if he can just be that guy that makes sure
• 49:58
  Speaker 5: that it's an eight yard run on an eighty yard run,
• 50:01
  Speaker 5: then that's exactly what they need. You know, they don't
• 50:03
  Speaker 5: necessarily need him to make all the splash plays in
• 50:06
  Speaker 5: the backfield. They need somebody that's going to mitigate damage
• 50:10
  Speaker 5: in the middle of the defense.
• 50:11
  Speaker 6: And I think that's why he's here.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: And you know, he even said it, he said, let
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: these guys up front make those plays.
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: I'll clean it up. I'll get you right.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because we talked about it at the top of
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: the show. There is some talent here in the defensive line.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: They should be making some plays this year. So then
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: you have guys like spelaying behind them. You know, that's
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: a pretty on paper, it looks like a pretty good
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: front seven.
• 50:36
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Mike Rabel just said it. It's got to be
• 50:38
  Speaker 6: a strength of our team.
• 50:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's exactly what he said is his press conference,
• 50:41
  Speaker 5: and he's absolutely right. And you look at the stats
• 50:44
  Speaker 5: last year, flasting the league in sacks, towards.
• 50:46
  Speaker 6: The bottom of the league in pressure rate. They have
• 50:48
  Speaker 6: to find a way to get after the quarterback.
• 50:50
  Speaker 5: And I remember back in January that was one of
• 50:52
  Speaker 5: the first things he said at as introductor and press conferences.
• 50:55
  Speaker 5: Affecting the other team's quarterback and pressuring the other team's
• 50:58
  Speaker 5: quarterback is such a big part of of playing good
• 51:00
  Speaker 5: football in today's NFL. And they went out and they
• 51:03
  Speaker 5: signed probably the best pass rusher in free agency in
• 51:06
  Speaker 5: Milton Williams. And they bring in a familiar guy in
• 51:09
  Speaker 5: Harold Landry, who you know back in this system. I
• 51:11
  Speaker 5: think you hope that maybe his pass rush production goes
• 51:14
  Speaker 5: back to what it was two years ago with Rabel
• 51:16
  Speaker 5: in Tennessee. So even though the metrics don't look great
• 51:19
  Speaker 5: for Landry last year, I didn't remember. There was a
• 51:21
  Speaker 5: scheme change, there was a coaching staff change. There was
• 51:24
  Speaker 5: a lot of different things that they were asking him
• 51:26
  Speaker 5: to do, you know, just technique wise and schematically that
• 51:29
  Speaker 5: now that he's back home in this deep rable defense,
• 51:32
  Speaker 5: hopefully we get the guy if Harold Landry was the
• 51:35
  Speaker 5: Pro Bowl caliber player for the Titans for a couple
• 51:37
  Speaker 5: of years.
• 51:38
  Speaker 7: Just to echo, I know you already said it earlier,
• 51:39
  Speaker 7: but again, it just puts a focus on Swinson for me,
• 51:42
  Speaker 7: trying to get some young legs in there. I don't
• 51:44
  Speaker 7: think you want Harold Landry playing every snap, even if
• 51:47
  Speaker 7: he's being productive. You're going to need a third rotational,
• 51:49
  Speaker 7: third or fourth rotational guy, you know, key On White.
• 51:52
  Speaker 7: We've seen him show some flashes mostly from the inside.
• 51:55
  Speaker 7: How's he going to play on the edge? Chase on
• 51:57
  Speaker 7: more of a more of a DPR toviticity as rusher
• 52:00
  Speaker 7: last year playing across from Max Crosby, and he's on
• 52:03
  Speaker 7: Patriots unfilter, and he told us he knew he benefited
• 52:05
  Speaker 7: a little bit from that. But some questions, and I
• 52:08
  Speaker 7: just I would love to see one of those young
• 52:10
  Speaker 7: pass rushers just bring a little bit of speed around.
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: The edge, like a guy like Josh Ucha.
• 52:15
  Speaker 7: He had a very specific role, but I'd still love
• 52:17
  Speaker 7: to have somebody like that with some speed third downs.
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a little special teams practice here, Marcus Jones returning punts.
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, good to see him. He's been He's been a
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: little bit in and out. Don't know if he was
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: dealing with anything. I know.
• 52:28
  Speaker 7: Kyle Dugger and Michael went You probably the most two
• 52:31
  Speaker 7: most significant players that seem like they've been limited. They're
• 52:34
  Speaker 7: still kind of working back from some things. Kyle Dugger's
• 52:37
  Speaker 7: been out here almost every time, just haven't really seen
• 52:39
  Speaker 7: him do much.
• 52:40
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 52:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I was coming off that ankle injury last year,
• 52:43
  Speaker 5: and the hope for with Dugger is that it was
• 52:46
  Speaker 5: the ankle that was that led to the season he
• 52:48
  Speaker 5: had last year, And if he gets back one hundred
• 52:50
  Speaker 5: percent healthy, then starts playing like the guy we saw
• 52:53
  Speaker 5: in twenty three instead of twenty four. And now you
• 52:56
  Speaker 5: have that back in the mix with him and Pepper's
• 52:58
  Speaker 5: back together and playing good football again. You can be
• 53:02
  Speaker 5: encouraged by that too if you want. But I'm interested
• 53:05
  Speaker 5: to see what happens with Marcus Jones in this defense.
• 53:07
  Speaker 5: Is he going to be the full time slot corner?
• 53:10
  Speaker 5: Do they really want a bigger body type in there,
• 53:12
  Speaker 5: because they've talked about that a little bit. You drafting
• 53:14
  Speaker 5: Craig Woodson maybe in the fourth round is a slot
• 53:18
  Speaker 5: safety that could be a little bit more sturdy.
• 53:21
  Speaker 6: At that position on early down. So we'll see.
• 53:23
  Speaker 5: It's fun to watch those three, you know, Davis, Gonzo
• 53:26
  Speaker 5: and Marcus Jones played man coverage because they can all
• 53:28
  Speaker 5: play man at a really good level. But is that
• 53:30
  Speaker 5: a full time role for Marcus Jones. He's obviously going
• 53:33
  Speaker 5: to return punts and he's gonna have a role on
• 53:36
  Speaker 5: this team, as you know, a primary punt returner in
• 53:38
  Speaker 5: defensive back, but is he a starter on this in
• 53:41
  Speaker 5: this defense?
• 53:42
  Speaker 7: I mean, maybe he's just a piece you know, in
• 53:44
  Speaker 7: the in the in the in the workbench, you know
• 53:46
  Speaker 7: that that when we need him, when we've got a small,
• 53:48
  Speaker 7: shifty slot that he minds up, lines up will with,
• 53:51
  Speaker 7: he might play a little bit more.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: Or and when you need that double team in the
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: you know, because there's there's just elite speed that you're
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: going up against, and you know you have him double
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: with somebody else. You know, maybe more of a man's
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: zone thing where he kind of trails the guy into
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: a different zone.
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: He's sticky.
• 54:08
  Speaker 7: I mean, I like that him coming out of college.
• 54:10
  Speaker 7: I mean, he obviously has a little bit of a
• 54:11
  Speaker 7: size disadvantage, but I connect that slot position to the
• 54:15
  Speaker 7: safety position. And we've heard plenty of coaches getting asked
• 54:18
  Speaker 7: about to Dugger and Peppers, does that fit the kind
• 54:21
  Speaker 7: of free safety, strong safety mold you might want. But
• 54:24
  Speaker 7: there's a lot of guys, you know, Jalen Hawkins who
• 54:26
  Speaker 7: played a bunch last year, Marcus SEPs who came in
• 54:28
  Speaker 7: from the Raiders.
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: He's been a starter, a little bit more of a
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: free safety guy.
• 54:31
  Speaker 7: Del Pettis who played a big role for the Patriots
• 54:33
  Speaker 7: on special teams last year. Craig Woodson you mentioned, drafted
• 54:36
  Speaker 7: I mean, you know, that's six guys right there that
• 54:39
  Speaker 7: there's all some kind of argument for that these guys
• 54:41
  Speaker 7: should should play and should play on defense. But how
• 54:44
  Speaker 7: do the coaching staff see it all coming together? What
• 54:47
  Speaker 7: picture are they imagining? That's where that slot position where,
• 54:50
  Speaker 7: whether it's you know, Marcus Jones or Isaiah Boulden or
• 54:53
  Speaker 7: Craig Woodson, that's where the defense will really get interesting
• 54:57
  Speaker 7: to me. How do they want to play? Do they
• 54:58
  Speaker 7: want to play more speed? Do they want more size?
• 55:01
  Speaker 7: From that slot position? That's an interesting spot to keep
• 55:04
  Speaker 7: an eye on.
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: And you know, if the Red Sox aren't gonna use
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: and we can use Romananthem, you know what can he do?
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: Might as well do something right.
• 55:10
  Speaker 6: There's definitely a matchups from Marcus Jones.
• 55:13
  Speaker 5: You're gonna play that those two guys in Miami twice
• 55:15
  Speaker 5: a year, so someone's gonna have to get Tyreek Hill
• 55:18
  Speaker 5: and someone's gonna have to have Jayleen Waddle.
• 55:19
  Speaker 6: And he still has that ability to go run.
• 55:21
  Speaker 5: With those types of you know, shifty, fast receivers like
• 55:24
  Speaker 5: those two guys. But I've been really impressed with Craig Woodson.
• 55:27
  Speaker 5: He's probably been the player out of the draft class.
• 55:30
  Speaker 5: That surprised me the most. I think he's been around
• 55:32
  Speaker 5: the ball a ton, even going back to rookie Minni
• 55:34
  Speaker 5: camp when we were in the bubble and we got
• 55:35
  Speaker 5: to see them for that one day he made a
• 55:37
  Speaker 5: play on the ball. So he just seems like he
• 55:39
  Speaker 5: has a nice feel for the ball and in space
• 55:42
  Speaker 5: and playing those zones deeper in the field that maybe
• 55:46
  Speaker 5: Kyle Duggan and Jabriel Peppers aren't natural fits for playing
• 55:49
  Speaker 5: thirty yards off the ball like that in the deep
• 55:52
  Speaker 5: part of the field, But if Craig Woodson could do
• 55:54
  Speaker 5: that sort of thing, that frees those guys up to
• 55:56
  Speaker 5: then play closer to the line of scrimmage and be
• 55:58
  Speaker 5: more aggressive and do the things that they are good at.
• 56:01
  Speaker 5: So I'm encouraged by what I've saw from Craig Woodson.
• 56:05
  Speaker 5: You know, there was a lot of talk about him
• 56:07
  Speaker 5: being white, maybe the one consensus reach that they made
• 56:10
  Speaker 5: in this draft, and he's been impressive.
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: I thought, well, that's the kind of thing where you know,
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: when you see a guy like that in the spring,
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: then you keep your eye on him in the summer,
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: and if they start using him running with the ones
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: a little bit, then maybe they saw what you saw,
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: you know, and and okay, we want to see a
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: little bit more of this guy playing, you know, against
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: the ones, I should say, who've seen the puppy nipping
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: a little bit? And then you know, you put pads on. Okay,
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: can he keep that up when we put the pads on?
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: Does he do it in pre and that's how you
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: earn more play.
• 56:46
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's the most fun stuff to me with watching
• 56:48
  Speaker 7: camp day in day out, as you see guys start
• 56:51
  Speaker 7: to get chances. And I always go back to Michael
• 56:53
  Speaker 7: Whenu as an easy example, but right out of the gate,
• 56:56
  Speaker 7: you just started to notice every day this guy this
• 56:58
  Speaker 7: six round pick, he's getting some run with the top
• 57:01
  Speaker 7: line and there seems like there's something there that he's
• 57:04
  Speaker 7: this coaching staff like, so saw maybe a little bit,
• 57:06
  Speaker 7: which is I'm hard to tell in OTAs, I think
• 57:08
  Speaker 7: you really got to get to training camp to really
• 57:10
  Speaker 7: find it believable.
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: But you guys know how it goes.
• 57:12
  Speaker 7: Injuries happen, opportunities open up, and guys are already starting
• 57:16
  Speaker 7: to maybe make a little bit of a push here
• 57:18
  Speaker 7: in mini Campinot's yes, stacking it up.
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: Stack days baby, as they say, Yep.
• 57:23
  Speaker 5: You always talk about that Theron harmon roll right, like,
• 57:26
  Speaker 5: even if it's not a full time role, but can
• 57:29
  Speaker 5: Craig Woodson come on the field and on third down
• 57:32
  Speaker 5: he can be the deep safety in the middle of
• 57:34
  Speaker 5: the field and it just unlocks everybody else to just
• 57:37
  Speaker 5: kind of do what they need to do on the
• 57:39
  Speaker 5: on the play and be the ones actually maybe making
• 57:42
  Speaker 5: more of the splash plays on the football. But if
• 57:45
  Speaker 5: he's deep up top and you can just trust that
• 57:47
  Speaker 5: if they run a deep post, he's gonna be there
• 57:49
  Speaker 5: and he's going to cover it for you, then that's
• 57:52
  Speaker 5: all you really need out of him.
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: You see the quarterbacks running through their drills. So right
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  Speaker 2: now the Patriots are carrying three. You got Drake, made
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  Speaker 2: Josh and Ben Woolridge. Yes, so those are the three
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: that you're looking at right now. Looks like they're looking
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  Speaker 2: doing a little play action simulation here.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, that was the biggest thing just going forward and
• 58:14
  Speaker 5: with Drake may I know there's a lot of talk
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  Speaker 5: about grasping this McDaniel's offense at the line of scrimmage,
• 58:19
  Speaker 5: but the footwork carryover. He had made so much progress
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  Speaker 5: his rookie season with his footwork going from where he
• 58:25
  Speaker 5: was at North Carolina to where he ended up with
• 58:28
  Speaker 5: the Patriots, and how are they going to keep that
• 58:31
  Speaker 5: the same AVP was a big left foot forward and
• 58:34
  Speaker 5: the rhythm of the footwork and all that kind of stuff,
• 58:36
  Speaker 5: and it seems like it worked. You know, the boot
• 58:39
  Speaker 5: camp that they put him through in terms of his feet,
• 58:41
  Speaker 5: and that's how you control the ball. That's how accuracy
• 58:44
  Speaker 5: comes from the bottom up, and you know your footwork
• 58:47
  Speaker 5: and your mechanics with your follow through and all that
• 58:50
  Speaker 5: kind of stuff.
• 58:51
  Speaker 6: And I just thought he made leaps and bounds in
• 58:54
  Speaker 6: that way last year. So you just hope that that.
• 58:57
  Speaker 5: Carries over into this season and we'll see. These are
• 58:59
  Speaker 5: the types of drills that they do out here this
• 59:02
  Speaker 5: time of year to drill that kind of stuff. So
• 59:05
  Speaker 5: you're dropping back from under center, it's one thing to
• 59:07
  Speaker 5: drop back from shotgun.
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: That's that's he's gonna yell down and tell them to
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: get him out of from under center.
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: You want him in the shotgun.
• 59:14
  Speaker 5: I definitely would prefer to see him more in the
• 59:17
  Speaker 5: shotgun or even the pistol than under center. I just
• 59:20
  Speaker 5: I think it's more natural for him. I think it's
• 59:22
  Speaker 5: a better fit for him. But there's a lot of
• 59:24
  Speaker 5: advantages to the quarterback being under center in the run
• 59:27
  Speaker 5: game that you can't deny. You'll play action works ten
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  Speaker 5: times better from under center than it does in shotgun.
• 59:32
  Speaker 5: That's just statistically proven out. So you know, I understand
• 59:37
  Speaker 5: that there you have to be.
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: Pro style, especially the pony express right.
• 59:41
  Speaker 5: And if you're gonna have me Trevon Henderson on the
• 59:43
  Speaker 5: jet sweep and Remonder behind him, and then you're under
• 59:46
  Speaker 5: center and you're.
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: Faking and you get the guys coming in underneath, I mean,
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: what's the defense gonna do.
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: They can't. They can't. They can't defend every thirty five
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: a game with that surrender. Just give it up. There's
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: Hunter Henry.
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  Speaker 2: It's probably the right now, the most relied table pass
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: catcher that Drake May has.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, of all the signings they made back in
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 7: twenty twenty one, I mean, Hunter Henry's really been an
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 7: anchor for this offense for a few different quarterbacks, and
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 7: he just he means a lot to Drake. I think
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 7: it was a no brainer, you know, bringing him back here,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 7: keeping him around. I'd like to see maybe Jahem Bell
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 7: do a little bit. He had kind of a rough
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 7: practice last week and a couple drops and you know,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 7: you could seem like he was fighting it a little bit.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 7: I still think he looks good on the on the move,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 7: on the hoof runs pretty well, pretty big. But it
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 7: seems like right now Patriots are pretty well set. Austin
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 7: Hooper missed a couple of the voluntary practices he's out
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 7: here today, so it looks like they're pretty set with
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 7: those two guys for now.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, big one to know to number forty six there
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  Speaker 5: on your screen. Brock Lampy the one traditional full back
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 5: that the Patriots have on one of one currently. This
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 5: is a James Devlin Yakub Johnson full back with Brock Lampy.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 5: And that's a big question when you start doing the
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 5: roster crunch and the fifty three man projections. Are they
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 5: going to carry a full Are they not going to carry.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 6: A full back?
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 5: I will I can't imagine Josh McDaniels is gonna not
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 5: carry a full Like I think that that's just been
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 5: a staple of his offense for so long that I
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 5: have to imagine that it's going to still be at
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 5: least in his back pocket, Like maybe that won't be
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 5: the base offense anymore.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 6: Right now, he has a different kind of quarterback.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 5: But when the Patriots weren't going well, it was I
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 5: formation James Devlin in front of a running back and
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 5: just we're coming at you.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: You know that when you just needed a spark, you
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: just run him out of the backfield and he catches
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: a ten yard pass and I'll you know, all of
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: a sudden, the defense you know, breaks their back yeah.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, or they go I and then they break it
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 5: out and then all of a sudden he's out wide,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 5: and it's do we match him, you know with a linebacker?
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 6: Do we put a corner on him? You know, what
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 6: are we doing?
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  Speaker 2: And the question is are those rare occurrences enough to
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: have a roster spot right?
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 5: And and do you carry three tight end slash full
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 5: backs Henry Hooper Lampy or do you is he like
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 5: really the fourth guy? And then you're carrying like a
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 5: developmental player like you know, one of the UF or
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 5: Jaheem Bell as your third ye you know, Jack Westover
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 5: has had some run here in these practices. I'm a
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 5: CG dopre guy who's one of the UDA phase that
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 5: they signed. So it's a that's a big part of
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 5: when you're doing the roster projections, getting it down to
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 5: fifty three, that's a big spot. There are we carrying
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 5: three tight ends or you're carrying four tight ends, or
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 5: you're carrying a fullback or you're not carrying a fullback,
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 5: and those are going to be the things that are
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 5: going to decide a lot of this.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 7: They got him catching passes right now, so I mean
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 7: it goes back to the coaching staff getting to know
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 7: these guys, and we don't truly know what they love.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 7: I mean, I think personally like you can see that
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 7: he likes intense dudes who were really into it.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: But style of play, toughness.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 7: You know where you splitting the difference on those lower
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 7: ranking receivers, tight ends, defensive backs, even you just you
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 7: don't know what they're going to come up with it.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 5: Right when you start talking about, you know, at large
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 5: roster spots, just large roster spots regardless of position, that
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 5: are up for grabs. If Lampi's on the team, and
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 5: that's taking us spot away from somebody else, maybe that's
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 5: taking a spot from a sixth receiver or taking a
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 5: spot away from another defensive lineman or offensive lineman.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 6: So those are the tough roster.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 5: Decisions that you have to make, and there are some
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 5: flexibility with the practice squad now, like he could start
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 5: on the practice squad and elevate him for games and
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 5: things of that nature. But when we get out here
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 5: we still hear regular regulars sometimes and like, you know,
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 5: the fullback's going on the field, like you know, that's
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 5: just I can't imagine that that package is just going
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 5: to be completely wiped out of Josh mcdaniels's arsenal.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: Good point talking about tight ends. Who's your blocking tight
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: end going into the or do you have one?
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean I think on this stage you're probably
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 7: a little bit leaning more towards the third tackle, like
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 7: a Caiden Wallace perhaps, But it's a good point.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: We always talk about it.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 7: Is there a spot for a guy who's just a
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 7: pure dirt blocker get in there? Why tight end just
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 7: ready to ready to do the tough work that needs
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 7: to be done in the running game.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 7: I think in a perfect world you have a guy
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 7: who can do both, like Gronk, But right now they've
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 7: been doing it by committee.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah, if only we could just get Gronk, you know,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 5: the prime just picking up how many of That's got
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 5: to be another one out there? So see you do
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 5: preeze that guy out of Alabama, he's a blocking tight end.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 6: Two fifty five to six it is. You know that
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 6: he's a he's a house.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 5: You look at him, and that was our first impression
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 5: at rookie Mini Camp. I was like, that's a big dude.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 5: That's a tight end. Like you know, that's a blocking
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 5: tight end. Hooper is a plus blocker. I give Hunter
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 5: Henry a ton of credit. He's really worked hard on
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 5: his blocking since the Patriots signed him, and he's become
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 5: a much more serviceable inline blocker. But if I had
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 5: to guess if they were going to keep like a
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 5: pure blocking tight end as the third tight end, you
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 5: know for goal line and short yardage and that kind
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 5: of thing, then the body type is dupree You know
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 5: he he's got that tool, he's got that ability. That's
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 5: how he was used at Alabama. So we'll see if
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 5: you can make a push. His time of year is coming.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 5: This is not his time of year. The the shorts
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 5: and T shirts is not going to be where seed
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 5: you do free shines. You need the pads to see
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 5: what he's gonna do all right.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: Well, listen, it's getting to time where we have to
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: shut off our cameras, so we're gonna end the show,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: but I want to thank everyone for watching. Practice will
• 1:05:12
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• 1:05:16
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• 1:05:19
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• 1:05:22
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