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Sharri | 27 August · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News This is Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Good Evening massive show. Tonight, former Prime Minister Scott Morrison
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Speaker 2: hits back against claims Peter Dutton is divisive and racist.
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Speaker 2: In his exclusive interview, Morrison also says bringing in Hermas
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Speaker 2: supporters would be like giving visas to Nazis?
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Speaker 3: Would we allow you know, those who'd supported the stalin
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Speaker 3: As purges and had sympathies with Nazism And people go,
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Speaker 3: that's outrageous.
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Speaker 1: You can't draw that parallel.
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Speaker 4: I can.
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Speaker 2: October seven and he doesn't hold back that sensational interview
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Speaker 2: in a moment. Also tonight, joining me live in the
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Speaker 2: studio is Hollywood star Nate Buzz. He's been shunned by
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Speaker 2: actors from his own show because of his support for Israel.
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Speaker 2: Those behind the sceneans coming up, plus fashion designer Mark
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Speaker 2: Freeman will be here to speak about the campaign to
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Speaker 2: find a cure for ovarian cancer and our favorite of
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Speaker 2: Feisty Tuesday regulars Bronwan Bishop and calebont. But first Tonight,
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Speaker 2: Treasurer Jim Chalmers has joined the Labour campaign in calling
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Speaker 2: Peter Dutton divisive with invective that indicates a level of
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Speaker 2: personal animosity. The Treasurer said Dutton was the most divisive
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Speaker 2: political leader in living memory.
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Speaker 5: He is the most divisive leader of a major political
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Speaker 5: party in Australia's modern.
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Speaker 6: History, and not by accident, but by a choice.
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Speaker 1: He divides deliberately, almost.
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Speaker 6: Pathologically, particularly and this is worse than disappointing, it's dangerous.
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Speaker 7: Well.
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Speaker 2: His comments are part of Labour's campaign to portray Dutton
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Speaker 2: as divisive for expressing serious concern about the issuing of
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Speaker 2: visitor visas to a terrorist controlled war zone. The Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister Anthony Alberenzi backed in Charmer's attack on Dutton.
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Speaker 8: Today letter Dutton has promoted division his entire political career.
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Speaker 8: He always looks for what will divide Australians rather than
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Speaker 8: what will bring Australians together.
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Speaker 2: The Australian's Political editor, Simon Benson says that having lost
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Speaker 2: control of the political agenda, Albanesi has leant back on
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Speaker 2: the sid of personality politics that arose from the activist's
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Speaker 2: handbook and how to win an argument after you've already
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Speaker 2: lost it. Benson writes that when the substance of a
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Speaker 2: debate isn't going your way, attack the opponent rather than
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Speaker 2: the issue. But this is vintage Albanesi, he writes, and
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Speaker 2: he used it to devastating effect against Scott Morrison. By
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Speaker 2: the time Morrison caught on and tried to counter the
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Speaker 2: damage was already done. Albanezy appears to be convinced that
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Speaker 2: he can rerun the last election using the same tactical
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Speaker 2: weapon against Dutton. And this is the very point I
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Speaker 2: discussed in my interview with Scott Morrison today. Do you
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Speaker 2: think the public will see through this or do you
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Speaker 2: think this is quite an effective technique to paint him
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Speaker 2: as divisive?
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Speaker 4: Well, it's pretty effective in the past.
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Speaker 3: I can say from personal experience that is usually at
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Speaker 3: a mission that you can't hold the argument on the
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Speaker 3: policy issue. You know, this happens a lot more than
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Speaker 3: it used to. I don't think it's a good thing,
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Speaker 3: and I get disappointed when I see those who can't
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Speaker 3: match it on the policy.
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Speaker 4: Argument just go the lazy route.
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Speaker 1: And that's what it is.
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Speaker 3: It's intellectually lazily, it's politically lazy.
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Speaker 2: And my full exclusive interview coming up shortly. But as
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Speaker 2: Scott Morrison points out, the tactic of personality politics is
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Speaker 2: used when they can't respond to serious policy questions, when
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Speaker 2: all else fails play the man and not the ball. Well,
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Speaker 2: here was the Prime Minister well when he was Opposition
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Speaker 2: leader attacking Scott Morrison personally ahead of the twenty twenty
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Speaker 2: two election.
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Speaker 8: That is his way, that's his character. Whenever Australia needs
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Speaker 8: a solution, he offers only smirk and mirrors.
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Speaker 2: Hey, the Prime.
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Speaker 8: Minister never bothers Toliver up to his job titles. Is
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Speaker 8: there any issue in which Scott Morrison doesn't blame someone else?
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Speaker 2: And Morrison argues this says more about labor than it
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Speaker 2: does about him or Peter Dutton. As you heard he
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Speaker 2: called it intellectually and politically lazy. Now Scott Morrison is
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Speaker 2: the second former Prime minister to come out today to
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Speaker 2: say how ludicrous it is that Gaza visas can be
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Speaker 2: issued to Hermas support former Prime Minister John Howard Todd
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Speaker 2: Greg Sheridan. Where you've got a body that's a declared
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Speaker 2: terrorist organization, I don't think for a moment that someone
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Speaker 2: who has declared support for that organization should come to Australia.
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Speaker 2: The majority of Australians would feel that a lot of
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Speaker 2: people want to come and live in Australia, and why not.
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Speaker 2: You've won life's lottery if you come here, So why
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Speaker 2: let these people in if they're spooking for a declared
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Speaker 2: terrorist organization. Now, on the substance of this particular argument
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Speaker 2: that guards and visas were issued without proper security vetting
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Speaker 2: or in some cases any security vetting, Dutton is right
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Speaker 2: and Australians are with him. It must have painted the
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Speaker 2: Guardian to publish this story today, where their own poll
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Speaker 2: found that more Australians agree with Dutton's visa pause for
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Speaker 2: gardens that oppose it. The Guardian Essentral shows that forty
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Speaker 2: four percent agree with Dutton's call for a pause, twenty
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Speaker 2: six percent are undecided, and only thirty percent oppose it.
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Speaker 2: The poll was conducted to the end of two weeks
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Speaker 2: in Parliament spent debating the issue. In a sign of
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Speaker 2: no confidence in the Prime minister, fifty two percent of
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Speaker 2: voters said Australia was heading down the wrong track, and
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister's own approval rating has hit a new
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Speaker 2: low of minus ten. Now, Peter Dutton, despite the attacks
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Speaker 2: from Labor, he knows he's on strong ground fighting Labor
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Speaker 2: on national security and the economy. The perception is cementing
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Speaker 2: that Albineazy has mishandled both issues, and while Labour paints
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Speaker 2: Dutton as divisive, it's becoming very clear to voters that
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Speaker 2: they were misled into electing the most radical left prime
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Speaker 2: minister disguised as a centrist. It's ironic that Labor accuses
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Speaker 2: Dutton of being divisive because Alban Easy is literally dividing
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Speaker 2: the country by failing to stand up to hatred, aggression
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Speaker 2: and lawlessness. The country has never been more socially divided,
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Speaker 2: Racism has never been more prolific, and it's all under
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Speaker 2: his watch. Okay, that powerful Scott Morrison interview is coming
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Speaker 2: up in a moment just after our political panel, and
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Speaker 2: he doesn't miss. But let's bring in now former Speaker
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Speaker 2: of the House Bronwin Bishop and Sky News host Caleb Bond.
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Speaker 2: Great to see you both. Look, I want to talk
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Speaker 2: about this one billion dollar mine that Tanya Pliberset killed off.
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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister seems to be engaging in an acrobatic
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Speaker 2: twist to try spin his way out of Plebis's decision
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Speaker 2: to kill off the gold mine. Here was Albin Easy today.
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Speaker 8: Chris Mins would like it to go ahead. I'd like
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Speaker 8: to go ahead too, to stop it. There are other
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Speaker 8: options that the company put forward on the tailing.
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Speaker 2: Step, nothing to stop it. Only his own government and
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Speaker 2: even the Chris Min's government is laying the blame squarely
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Speaker 2: on Albanezi's team. New South Wales Natural Resources Minister Courtney
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Speaker 2: Husos met with the mining company Regius Resources today and
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Speaker 2: she confirmed that the state government had and I quote
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Speaker 2: expected the project to go ahead and is disappointed at
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Speaker 2: the federal government's decision to issue a Section ten declaration. Bronwin,
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Speaker 2: what is it about albit easy that he tried to
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Speaker 2: spin his way out of the actual fact that his
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Speaker 2: own government has stopped this mind from going ahead at present?
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Speaker 7: Of course he's not very bright. I mean, the bottom
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Speaker 7: line is that this particular project had ticked every box
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Speaker 7: that it needed to do. So it is wrong to
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Speaker 7: my mind that the power lies with the single person,
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Speaker 7: the Minister, to be able to deny that project going ahead.
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Speaker 7: Now all that legislation, there's no head of power that
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Speaker 7: allows the minister to do that in the Constitution and
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Speaker 7: basically they will rely on the treaty making power and
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Speaker 7: some connection to a treaty they've made somewhere along the line.
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Speaker 7: It gives her the power to make a regulation to
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Speaker 7: destroy it, and in my mind that should not be permitted.
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Speaker 7: That is bad lawmaking. So I think there's some fundamental
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Speaker 7: changes needs to be made to the principal legislation that
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Speaker 7: she's overseeing for starters, and I think that she should
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Speaker 7: be made to literally recant because this business of someone
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Speaker 7: whispered something in my ear. And then Albani she says, oh,
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Speaker 7: I'm not stopping the mind. He put the tailing down
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Speaker 7: somewhere else. And she comes out and says, well, the
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Speaker 7: person who whispered in my ear said that the spirits
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Speaker 7: are now telling me she's glad the mind is closing.
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Speaker 7: I mean, the whole thing is an absolute nonsense and
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Speaker 7: an insult to the average Australians intellect. But that law,
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Speaker 7: that basic legislation needs changing and blibacy has to be
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Speaker 7: held up to account. She's tried to save her own
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Speaker 7: seat from an incursion from the Greens. Say look at me,
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Speaker 7: I stopped her mind.
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Speaker 4: What do you do?
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Speaker 2: Politics is behind so much of what we're seeing going on.
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Speaker 2: But Caleb, I want to know, do you think there
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Speaker 2: are other avenues now for Regius Resources to go ahead
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Speaker 2: with this mine? And also what's your view on that
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Speaker 2: level of spinnight. I just think it's breathtaking that the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister can stand up there in front of the
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Speaker 2: media and give an answer that seems to indicate he
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Speaker 2: had nothing to do with this, his own government had
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Speaker 2: nothing to do with this.
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Speaker 9: Well, the Prime Minister has now made it clear that
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Speaker 9: there is an avenue for this mind to go ahead. Now,
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Speaker 9: whether or not he's spoken to Tenure Blibersk before making
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Speaker 9: that public announcement, I don't know. And to come out
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Speaker 9: and say, look, you know I supported, I supported is
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Speaker 9: though we're in the decision of his government to block it.
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Speaker 9: I'm surprised you didn't blame Peter Dutton. That's genuinely what
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Speaker 9: they have done. We'll show you with everything else it
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Speaker 9: has gone wrong within his government, particularly when it's come
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Speaker 9: to borders and people being let out of immigration detention, etc.
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Speaker 9: But for these decisions, sorry, that was made by Tenia
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Speaker 9: Plibersik at the last moment, was on the basis that
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Speaker 9: there was an Aboriginal heritage problem and therefore the project
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Speaker 9: could not go ahead. The Prime Minister now says, well,
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Speaker 9: there are other places where that that damn can go.
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Speaker 9: There is a solution to this problem. That being the case,
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Speaker 9: why did Plibisek as the minister, not go to the
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Speaker 9: developer and say, look, I have concerns about where you
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Speaker 9: want to do this bit. Why don't we put it
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Speaker 9: over here? Do you have alternatives? The Prime Minister says
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Speaker 9: today that there are alternatives that Regis has put forward alternatives. Well,
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Speaker 9: why was that not taken into account in the first place?
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Speaker 9: He is walking backward one hundred miles an hour because
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Speaker 9: he knows how bad it looks. And in the meantime,
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Speaker 9: Plibersek has refused to front up to the locals and
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Speaker 9: explain her decision.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's a mess. You just get the very
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Speaker 2: strong set that he doesn't know what each of his
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Speaker 2: ministers are doing. He's not across the detail until it's
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Speaker 2: too late. Suddenly there's a crisis, and then he says, oh,
12:09
Speaker 2: what's going on here, let's walk it back. But you
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Speaker 2: really get the sense that, unlike other prime ministers, he's
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Speaker 2: just not across the detail in each of the different
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Speaker 2: ministerial portfolios. Now, I spoke last night about the right
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Speaker 2: to disconnect laws that came into effect yesterday. I spoke
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Speaker 2: about how they work against flexible working arrangements, particularly for parents. Now,
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Speaker 2: our regular panelist Andrew Carswell has today written an article
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Speaker 2: in The Nightly and he says the government says these
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Speaker 2: laws are progressive, when in fact they are a throwback
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Speaker 2: to the bygone era when mobile phones and email didn't exist,
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Speaker 2: when we all punched our time cards into a physical machine.
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Speaker 2: Mutual flexibility is progressive, not rigid rules around nine to
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Speaker 2: five as wined by Dolly Parton, you know, forty four
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Speaker 2: years ago, Brugnan. I'm not to ask you to sing
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Speaker 2: that song. I love that song. I'm not working nine
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Speaker 2: to five, but you know, surely flexible working arrangements are
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Speaker 2: a two way street, and employers can't expect to have
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Speaker 2: time off if they're not going to then respond later.
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Speaker 7: Flexibility and agreement between employer and employee was the fundamental
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Speaker 7: principle that all the reforms about industrial relations were done
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Speaker 7: under the hard government that brought in flexibility, that allowed
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Speaker 7: particularly women to have ours that could suit them, that
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Speaker 7: come to an agreement. And this concept of nine to
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Speaker 7: five is just antiquated. It belongs in the public service.
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Speaker 7: Where my memory serves me. I think it was actually
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Speaker 7: nine to nine minutes to five. It was very precise,
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Speaker 7: so it is it's an idea that came out of
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Speaker 7: the European Union. This government hasn't gotten original thoughtness. It
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Speaker 7: picks it up from somebody else and it was suddenly
14:03
Speaker 7: picked up and added in to that last tranch that
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Speaker 7: Burke falls through, and it came into effect on the
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Speaker 7: twenty sixth of August. There are seven pages, as Andrew
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Speaker 7: Carswell pointed out, about what is the definition of a
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Speaker 7: reasonable or unreasonable attempt to contact.
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Speaker 2: Using for bus.
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Speaker 7: So we will have no idea what it means until
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Speaker 7: there's a body of case law.
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Speaker 2: I mean, what are you going to do? Oh, let
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Speaker 2: me look read through those seven pages to find out
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Speaker 2: if I can send this email with a question, because
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Speaker 2: that's five minutes past six. Kale can't.
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Speaker 7: But you can't. You won't get an answer by reading
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Speaker 7: the seven pages. You have to have the Fair Work
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Speaker 7: Commission interpret the seven pages in order to know that
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Speaker 7: this is what they will decide is a reasonable thing
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Speaker 7: to do. So there are going to be people who
14:51
Speaker 7: are going to be in no man's land for a
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Speaker 7: long time.
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Speaker 2: Now. I have a lot of friends who are similar
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Speaker 2: age to me, who have children in a lot of
14:59
Speaker 2: different professions and they work, they go do school pickup,
15:02
Speaker 2: and then they log back on at night when their
15:04
Speaker 2: kids are asleep. Especially lawyers people like that, and they
15:08
Speaker 2: do a lot of work at night. This works against
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Speaker 2: that these laws are aggressive.
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Speaker 9: Well, it's essentially a solution in search of a problem, right,
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Speaker 9: I mean this for the vast majority of people is
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Speaker 9: not a problem. And if your boss is contacting you
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Speaker 9: incessantly outside of work hours, we have a great job
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Speaker 9: market at the moment. You can pack up and go elsewhere.
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Speaker 9: Boss who operates like that will not keep staff and
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Speaker 9: will not remain in business. It is as simple as that.
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Speaker 9: If you want to work in a job where you're
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Speaker 9: not going to be contacted outside of your normal working hours,
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Speaker 9: will get.
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Speaker 2: A different job.
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Speaker 9: I mean, you and I have worked in journalism. Our
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Speaker 9: entire working lives brod when in politics, right, and their
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Speaker 9: jobs where you're going to be contacted at all hours.
15:55
Speaker 9: I know that the chief of staff might call me
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Speaker 9: at eight pm and ask me a question on deadline
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Speaker 9: before the paper goes out. Well, that's just part of
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Speaker 9: the deal. That's what was on cadet wages for him
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Speaker 9: AND's sake.
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Speaker 2: That's not even after hours for you now, after hours,
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Speaker 2: right in the morning.
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Speaker 7: After you if you're a trade union leader, you can
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Speaker 7: bring up any time. Is there a carvat Oh yeah,
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Speaker 7: they will be able to bring up and say you
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Speaker 7: get out there and on stroke of course.
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Speaker 2: All right, brom and Bishop Calebon, thank you both so
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Speaker 2: much now. Anthony Alberanezi pledged a new tone in politics
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Speaker 2: when he became Prime minister, yet his government has launched
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Speaker 2: a series of personal attacks against Peter Dutton, with a
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Speaker 2: treasurer last night accusing him of being the most divisive
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Speaker 2: political leader in modern history. I sat down with former
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister Scott Morrison today. He says Labour's using the
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Speaker 2: same tactics against Dutton that they did against him in
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Speaker 2: the lead up to the last election. Morrison wasn't keen
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Speaker 2: to speak about domestic policy, but he did give very
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Speaker 2: strong views on the Palestinian visa saga that's dominated Canbra.
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Speaker 2: I also asked him about Donald Trump, Kamala, Harris, Orcus
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Speaker 2: and Moore. Scott Morrison, great to see you again, Hi, Charry.
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Speaker 2: The Teals have accused Peter Dutton of racism for saying
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Speaker 2: that we should stop or at least pause the intake
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Speaker 2: of Palestinians coming from a terrorist controlled region in Gaza.
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Speaker 2: Is this racism?
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Speaker 3: Of course not, and it's an absurd and lazy and appalling.
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Speaker 1: Slur that they have made.
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Speaker 3: I mean, Peter and I both dealt with this during
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Speaker 3: the course of the previous government. If someone doesn't agree
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Speaker 3: with your border protection and immigration policies, they just call
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Speaker 3: you a racist and unable to address what are the
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Speaker 3: substantive policy issues that are occurring. You know, when you're
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Speaker 3: an immigration minister, you wear those security responsibilities very heavily
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Speaker 3: and you consider carefully what the implications might be for
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Speaker 3: the decisions that you take. You seek to balance your
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Speaker 3: program in a way that can commitigate risks, and to
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Speaker 3: be blind to risks, as some of Peter's critics seem
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Speaker 3: happy to be, I think is foolish and dangerous. I
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Speaker 3: think Peter has spoken out in the national interest, in
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Speaker 3: the national security interest, it's not a one size fits
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Speaker 3: all policy. You need to be cognizant of blatant risks
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Speaker 3: that are there, and you need to adjust your policy,
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Speaker 3: as we did when we're in government successfully.
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Speaker 1: Where the need arises. It's a very dangerous world.
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Speaker 3: It can't be you can't run an immigration policy on
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Speaker 3: the vibe.
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Speaker 1: You've got to do it on the basis.
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Speaker 3: Of considered national interests and security interests considerations.
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Speaker 1: I mean today it is.
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Speaker 3: Three years since the evacuation of Carble. We believed we
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Speaker 3: were going to have to evacuate some nine hundred people
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Speaker 3: and over the course of ten days it proved to
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Speaker 3: be four thousand. It was one of the biggest challenges
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Speaker 3: we faced at that time. But even then we had
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Speaker 3: immigration officers on the tarmac there in Carble being very
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Speaker 3: mindful of who we were letting on the plane, and.
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Speaker 2: We don't have that presence in Gaza. Well Tony Burker
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Speaker 2: said in Parliament there are no face to face interviews occurring.
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Speaker 3: It was one of the really challenging issues when it
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Speaker 3: came to getting Afghan interpreters and others out of Afghanistan, because.
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Speaker 1: You still had to follow the process and we.
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Speaker 3: Were seeking to do that now on those last days,
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Speaker 3: obviously we operated in a more accelerated environment, but I
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Speaker 3: can assure you we were still seeking to apply all
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Speaker 3: the checks we possibly could in such an urgent circumstance
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Speaker 3: and without.
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Speaker 2: That level of security, vettic face to face interviews and
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Speaker 2: the FARO background checks. Should people from a terrorist controlled
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Speaker 2: warzone be coming to Australia on visas right now, you
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Speaker 2: have to have.
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Speaker 3: The checks and processes, of course, I mean that is
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Speaker 3: a necessary step.
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Speaker 1: Even if someone is I mean you'll often.
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Speaker 3: Have the case when someone is already here for other
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Speaker 3: reasons and has come under a legitimate visa and cannot
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Speaker 3: return to their home country. Now they will often be
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Speaker 3: put on bridging visas or things of that nature while
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Speaker 3: their humanitarian visa application is considered. But that's a proper process. Now, true,
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Speaker 3: that can take some time. But in terms of allowing
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Speaker 3: many others to come, particularly on visitor visas in those circumstances,
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Speaker 3: particularly from a country that you'd have to I should say,
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Speaker 3: from a place that you'd have to consider high risk.
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Speaker 3: I mean, this is a part of the world where if.
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Speaker 4: I'm ass were to have elections in Gaza.
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Speaker 3: Tomorrow, they probably get ninety percent of the vote. Now,
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Speaker 3: some could argue why they might get that support, but
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Speaker 3: Hermas is a terrorist organization. But more than that, it
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Speaker 3: is a terrorist organization committed to anti Semitism, which involves
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Speaker 3: the destruction annihilation of the Jewish people. Any view or
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Speaker 3: support for such an organization.
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Speaker 4: I could not think of something more at.
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Speaker 1: Odds with.
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Speaker 3: Passing a character test to leave it an Australian in Australia.
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Speaker 2: And yet the ASIER Director General, Mike Burgess has said
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Speaker 2: that rhetorical support for HERMAS wouldn't preclude someone from being
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Speaker 2: issued with an Australian visa, and the Prime Minister in
21:44
Speaker 2: Question Time on Thursday, in response to two questions from
21:47
Speaker 2: Julian Lisa, wouldn't say that if someone was a HERMAS supporter,
21:52
Speaker 2: they couldn't come here. This was inexplicable.
21:55
Speaker 4: I found this.
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Speaker 3: I did find it inexplicable, to be honest. And Mike
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Speaker 3: Burgess is an outstanding public servant. And I worked with
22:02
Speaker 3: Mike over a long period of time in many different roles.
22:05
Speaker 3: And whether he use a different form of words today
22:08
Speaker 3: as opposed to then, only he can say. And I
22:12
Speaker 3: find that completely inconsistent with what I would hear regularly
22:17
Speaker 3: from him over a long.
22:18
Speaker 1: Period of time.
22:18
Speaker 3: And I don't think at all that Mike Burgess would
22:20
Speaker 3: be an apologist for Hamas or anything alike.
22:23
Speaker 2: It, for a second, indicate it's Australian government policy that's
22:27
Speaker 2: changed and he's just following their policy.
22:29
Speaker 3: I don't think it's that, But what I think in
22:31
Speaker 3: circumstances like that is you can't leave an air gap.
22:34
Speaker 3: I mean an air gap got opened up over this,
22:37
Speaker 3: and you can't have that in place. The idea that
22:41
Speaker 3: any sympathy with hamas rhetorical or otherwise somehow could be
22:49
Speaker 3: overlooked and you could get a lead pass.
22:51
Speaker 1: To live long term in Australia.
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Speaker 4: I can't imagine that.
22:55
Speaker 3: And I can't imagine anyone with the responsibility for letting
22:59
Speaker 3: people in a country as a minister rubber stamping that if.
23:05
Speaker 2: You were Prime minister, you would not be allowing into
23:07
Speaker 2: Australia anyone who's supported muss.
23:11
Speaker 3: It's like asking would we allow, you know, those who'd
23:17
Speaker 3: supported the stalin As purges and or had sympathies with Nazism,
23:24
Speaker 3: And people go, that's outrageous. You can't draw that parallel.
23:28
Speaker 3: I can October seven. I contraw it exactly in a
23:32
Speaker 3: big thick line. And that's what we're talking about here.
23:36
Speaker 3: October seven gets just lost in this debate. The single
23:43
Speaker 3: greatest act of genocide and against the.
23:50
Speaker 4: Jewish people in a day since the Holocaust.
23:54
Speaker 2: We spoke before about accusations that Peter Dutton was racist.
23:58
Speaker 2: He's also being painted a divisive by the Prime Minister,
24:03
Speaker 2: the Treasurer. You know, the Labor Party came after you
24:06
Speaker 2: as the man ahead of the last election. They're now
24:09
Speaker 2: doing the same thing with Peter Dutton, painting him as divisive,
24:13
Speaker 2: not calling out, you know, not rejecting the suggestion from
24:17
Speaker 2: the till that he's racist. Do you think the public
24:21
Speaker 2: will see through this or do you think this is
24:23
Speaker 2: quite an effective technique to paint him as divisive?
24:26
Speaker 3: Well, it's pretty effective in the past, I could say
24:29
Speaker 3: from personal experience, and I think regrettably it's part of
24:33
Speaker 3: what modern politics in a sort of social media digital
24:39
Speaker 3: age is not just here in Australia, but you see
24:41
Speaker 3: all around the world.
24:42
Speaker 1: You see it in the United States.
24:45
Speaker 3: There was the ability to get away with saying things
24:48
Speaker 3: that are paintly untrue, the ability for these things now
24:52
Speaker 3: to catch hold and establish a legitimacy through momentum. I
24:57
Speaker 3: think people those involved in the sort of campaigning and communication.
25:02
Speaker 1: Side of politics are very alive to that, and it's.
25:06
Speaker 3: Become a feature of campaigns which I don't think is
25:09
Speaker 3: necessarily a very good one, and I think it's a
25:11
Speaker 3: very corrosive one.
25:12
Speaker 2: But instead of arguing the guys a visa issue, they're
25:15
Speaker 2: saying done in your device, And that is usually.
25:18
Speaker 3: At a mission that you can't hold the argument on
25:20
Speaker 3: the policy issue. That's what I always found, particularly on immigration.
25:25
Speaker 3: I mean I was called a racist more than once.
25:27
Speaker 3: I was asked once how do I justify not.
25:30
Speaker 1: Being a racist by a journalist?
25:32
Speaker 3: Once they apologize, But so you know, this happens a
25:36
Speaker 3: lot more than it used to. I don't think it's
25:38
Speaker 3: a good thing. And you know, I know Peter, I
25:42
Speaker 3: know him well. I know that he knows how to
25:45
Speaker 3: show compassion, and I know he knows when you've got to.
25:48
Speaker 4: Stand your ground.
25:50
Speaker 3: And I get disappointed when I see those who can't
25:54
Speaker 3: match it on the policy argument just go the lazy
26:00
Speaker 3: And that's what it is. It's intellectually lazily, it's politically lazy,
26:05
Speaker 3: rather than deal with the number of the issue. But
26:07
Speaker 3: that's why you could never trust government to people who
26:12
Speaker 3: engage in such stuff.
26:13
Speaker 2: Just to ask you about the United States election. A
26:16
Speaker 2: little over a month ago, after the near miss the
26:20
Speaker 2: assassination attempt of Donald Trump, it seemed like a certainty
26:24
Speaker 2: that he would be the next president. Many commentators thought
26:28
Speaker 2: he would win an a landslide. We've seen since then,
26:31
Speaker 2: this transformation of Kamala Harris, no substantive interviews, She wasn't
26:40
Speaker 2: subject to any interrogation during what would normally be primary debates.
26:45
Speaker 2: No serious media interviews to date. Do you think this
26:48
Speaker 2: is a concern? Do you think we need to see
26:51
Speaker 2: what the alternative president is like, what she stands for,
26:55
Speaker 2: what her policies are.
26:57
Speaker 1: Well think Americans do. They're the ones making the decision.
27:00
Speaker 3: I mean, we've had the show business side of this
27:02
Speaker 3: campaign up until now. They both had their conventions and
27:05
Speaker 3: they were larger than life affairs. We had the initial debate,
27:09
Speaker 3: which had its quite extraordinary follow on, and up until then,
27:16
Speaker 3: I think we'd seen this, and we had the indictment
27:20
Speaker 3: and prosecution of Donald Trump, and that's what I saw
27:23
Speaker 3: him when he was still in court.
27:24
Speaker 1: At that time, the.
27:26
Speaker 3: Issues were very much focused around borders, the economy, and
27:31
Speaker 3: President Trump had a pretty strong lead going into that debate.
27:34
Speaker 3: It wasn't after that debate. He already had a pretty
27:37
Speaker 3: good one going into it. Since that time it was
27:40
Speaker 3: fairly obvious and if they were to change, well, it
27:43
Speaker 3: could lead to any number of outcomes, and it's led
27:46
Speaker 3: to a positive outcome for the Democrats.
27:49
Speaker 4: But there's still a long way to go in this race.
27:51
Speaker 3: And anyone who was confidently saying one way that the
27:54
Speaker 3: other at the moment how this is going to end,
27:57
Speaker 3: I think is either listening to their heart more than
28:00
Speaker 3: their head, or is try to assert some sort of
28:05
Speaker 3: bold confidence. I think it's too close to call now.
28:08
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have said that prior to the debate or
28:10
Speaker 3: around the time of the debate. I think President Trump
28:12
Speaker 3: was in a pretty commanding position.
28:15
Speaker 1: But you would hope, and I have a lot.
28:17
Speaker 3: Of faith in the American democracy that by the time
28:20
Speaker 3: people come around to vote, everybody will do their job.
28:23
Speaker 3: That includes media in terms of calling for the questions
28:26
Speaker 3: to be answered. I recall back in the twenty nineteen
28:30
Speaker 3: election it was John o'lee who asked some pretty pointed
28:33
Speaker 3: questions of the then opposition leader, which had a pretty
28:37
Speaker 3: big impact. I think at that time that's the job
28:42
Speaker 3: of journalists and media in any campaign, not to take sides,
28:46
Speaker 3: but to grill those who seek the highest office, and
28:50
Speaker 3: particularly in the United States.
28:52
Speaker 2: Now, Prime Minister Anthony Alberizi rarely mentions China when he's
28:56
Speaker 2: speaking about ORCUS. I interviewed US Congressman Michael McColl recently
29:02
Speaker 2: and he said that ORCUS was the single greatest deterrent
29:06
Speaker 2: for China. It was the grouping that they were most
29:09
Speaker 2: terrified of. What's your view about the importance of ORCUS
29:13
Speaker 2: in our region when we are seeing and increasingly aggressive China.
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Speaker 3: Well, I think our American friends are right about this,
29:20
Speaker 3: and it was certainly our view when we're in government
29:22
Speaker 3: as well. I think that has been one of the
29:25
Speaker 3: early successes of August is that it has said in
29:28
Speaker 3: a very clear way that the working of allies, allies
29:33
Speaker 3: and partners is one of the greatest terrants that we
29:36
Speaker 3: have against aggression, against these types of assertions that we
29:41
Speaker 3: saw from the communist government in China in our region,
29:45
Speaker 3: and a UCUS was designed to deter not just that
29:48
Speaker 3: type of threat, but authoritarian threats wherever we may encounter them.
29:53
Speaker 3: And to have the three most trusted allies and partners
29:56
Speaker 3: of all in the world. I would argue coming to
30:00
Speaker 3: together in this way, but it just doesn't do that.
30:02
Speaker 3: It also then provides a platform for those most trusted
30:06
Speaker 3: of partners to engage with other like minded in our region,
30:09
Speaker 3: whether that be Japan or Career in particular, but many
30:12
Speaker 3: others across the Indo Pacific, and we've seen that and
30:17
Speaker 3: as a.
30:17
Speaker 4: Result, we have seen that deterrent.
30:21
Speaker 3: Exercised in our region for a very positive purpose.
30:26
Speaker 2: Are you concerned that Kirs Starmer has ordered a review
30:30
Speaker 2: into Orcus in the UK?
30:32
Speaker 3: Well, Sir Steve and Lovego was there in the room
30:35
Speaker 3: when we put the deal together. He was the National
30:38
Speaker 3: Security advisor, my good friend Boris Johnson at the time.
30:41
Speaker 3: We were all up there in Carver's.
30:43
Speaker 1: Bay when we had both Joe Biden Joe Biden was
30:46
Speaker 1: there of course, and.
30:49
Speaker 3: Jake Sullivan and we're all there together with Michelle Chan
30:52
Speaker 3: from Australia and Jimmy Kiplocks from my team, and this
30:56
Speaker 3: is the group that formed AUCAS. And so Steve has
31:00
Speaker 3: i think an outstanding understanding of what this is all about,
31:05
Speaker 3: what it's designed to do, why they're the three partners
31:08
Speaker 3: that are in the room, has very good appreciation of
31:12
Speaker 3: the two pillar nature of UGUS, because if this was
31:15
Speaker 3: just a deal about submarines, then that's all it had
31:17
Speaker 3: to be.
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Speaker 1: But it was far more than that.
31:20
Speaker 3: You know, sometimes you hear, oh it's just a technology
31:23
Speaker 3: sharing partnership. No, this is a transformational partnership between the
31:28
Speaker 3: most trusted partners of any in the world that is
31:31
Speaker 3: designed to deter authoritarian aggression by developing capabilities that can
31:37
Speaker 3: give effect to that and build platforms for others to
31:40
Speaker 3: engage in for the same purpose.
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Speaker 2: Scott Morrison, thank you so much, really appreciate your time.
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Speaker 1: Noares, thank you good talking.
31:48
Speaker 2: And the extended half an hour interview with Scott Morrison
31:51
Speaker 2: will be online later tonight. He also spoke about the
31:53
Speaker 2: withdrawal from Afghanistan and whether he thinks Donald Trump as
31:57
Speaker 2: president would support orca That full online will be That
32:01
Speaker 2: full interview will be online at skynews dot com dot au.
32:05
Speaker 2: Now still to come. Hollywood actor Nate Buzz live in studio.
32:09
Speaker 2: He's been shunned by fellow actors and had hundreds of
32:12
Speaker 2: death threats, but he won't stop speaking out and the
32:15
Speaker 2: powerful campaign shedding light and the deadliest cancer that's often
32:20
Speaker 2: caught too late. Fashion designer Mark Freeman will speak about
32:24
Speaker 2: this after this quick break. Welcome back. Well, if you've
32:31
Speaker 2: been scrolling through social media lately, you might have noticed
32:35
Speaker 2: people in white or red T shirts with the text
32:39
Speaker 2: ovaries talk about them. This powerful collection is part of
32:43
Speaker 2: a campaign led by Australian designers Kimilla Freeman Topper and
32:47
Speaker 2: Mark Freeman. They're the duo behind fashion label Camilla and Mark.
32:52
Speaker 2: Have a look at their campaign.
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Speaker 8: The reality is I'm going to die of this disease
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Speaker 8: way before my time.
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Speaker 10: So I went and removed my ovaries and float pinto
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Speaker 10: to prevent ovarian cancer. Four years later, I get a
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Speaker 2: I remember asking my surgeon will it effect remain beating lives?
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Speaker 10: You can have it being caught back being sims.
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Speaker 11: Our life is so beautiful, our family is so beautiful.
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Speaker 12: I love for Ita of this so beautiful that it's
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Speaker 4: It's such a huge loss.
33:34
Speaker 2: And you can have a look at those full emotional
33:36
Speaker 2: stories on the Camilla and Mark Instagram page. Now that
33:39
Speaker 2: emotional campaign is aiming to shed light on the amazing
33:43
Speaker 2: feat the research by the University of New South Wales
33:46
Speaker 2: Guynecological Cancer Research Group. It's recently reached a major milestone
33:51
Speaker 2: in their goal to develop an early detection test for
33:54
Speaker 2: ovarian cancer. This is a heartbreaking but important cause and
33:58
Speaker 2: I'm pleased to say I'm out by Mark Freeman, Thank
34:03
Speaker 2: you so much for your time. Thanks Now, the stories
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Speaker 2: and those videos are just so emotional, so gut wrenching.
34:09
Speaker 2: Mothers and young women fighting for their lives, fighting to
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Speaker 2: survive this ovarian cancer. Why is the detection so difficult?
34:18
Speaker 2: You know, it's often found when it's just too late
34:21
Speaker 2: for women to live.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, Unfortunately, ovarian cancer is most often found in stage
34:26
Speaker 5: three or four and at that time it's very hard
34:29
Speaker 5: to do anything about. So, you know, after doing a
34:33
Speaker 5: lot of research and wanting to get behind it, we've
34:36
Speaker 5: found that early detection is the place that we think
34:39
Speaker 5: is most important and that the reality is if you
34:43
Speaker 5: can get it early, if you can find it in
34:46
Speaker 5: stage one, the chances and the life expectancy now shoots
34:49
Speaker 5: up to ninety percent, similar to breast cancer. Say, so,
34:53
Speaker 5: that's why it's so important.
34:54
Speaker 2: And there has been some groundbreaking research from Australia on
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Speaker 2: this front. Can you tell us a bit about that.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, so amazing scientists at the University of New South
35:04
Speaker 5: Wales have found a three signature a test which is
35:11
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35:18
Speaker 5: So it's now about doing more testing on this and
35:22
Speaker 5: it's amazing.
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Speaker 2: World first, a blood test effectively.
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Speaker 5: At the moment, it's detecting DNA biomarkers. The dream is
35:30
Speaker 5: for it to be more sensitive and for it to
35:32
Speaker 5: become a blood test which you'd get at your GP,
35:35
Speaker 5: so regular blood tests would therefore be able to detect
35:40
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35:41
Speaker 2: And so that's the goal of That is the goal
35:43
Speaker 2: research that you're fundraising for correct And how far off
35:47
Speaker 2: do you think that is?
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Speaker 5: So we've been supporting this important course for the last
35:52
Speaker 5: four years. When we originally sat down with a scientist,
35:56
Speaker 5: we set about a plan to accelerate this. This is
36:00
Speaker 5: that's barely changed in thirty years. So thirty years, the
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Speaker 5: statistics have barely changed in thirty years. So we set
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Speaker 5: about a goal of trying to get this to clinical
36:11
Speaker 5: trials within six years. We're four years through this process
36:14
Speaker 5: and another two years to go, and we're on track
36:17
Speaker 5: with this great new finding that's amazing.
36:19
Speaker 2: Look, if it's not too hard for you to speak about,
36:22
Speaker 2: can you share why this particular cause is so personal
36:26
Speaker 2: to you and your sister?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, So, unfortunately our mother passed away when my sister
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Speaker 5: and I was thirteen and my sister was eleven. She
36:35
Speaker 5: was forty two years of age, and that was over
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Speaker 5: thirty years ago, and like I said earlier, the statistics
36:40
Speaker 5: have barely changed in that time. So now that we've
36:44
Speaker 5: you know, our business is established and we wanted to
36:47
Speaker 5: use our platform for something good, for really trying to
36:50
Speaker 5: change the outcomes in science.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. So if people are watching this and they want
36:55
Speaker 2: to help, what's the best way to donate?
36:58
Speaker 5: So we've designed merchandise which you can buy camillamark dot com.
37:03
Speaker 2: Those are the t shirts that the celebrities are wearing online.
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Speaker 5: That's right with the catchphrase overy talk about them. It's
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37:20
Speaker 2: Well, congratulations on this powerful campaign. It's going to make
37:24
Speaker 2: a difference absolutely in the lives of women and mothers.
37:27
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining us, Thanks for having
37:29
Speaker 2: me on. And that was Mark Freeman. Now still to come,
37:33
Speaker 2: Hollywood star Nate barz is live in studio to discuss
37:37
Speaker 2: the backlash he's received just for standing up for Israel,
37:41
Speaker 2: plus the spotlight is on free speech, as Facebook admits
37:44
Speaker 2: it's censored users and another high profile independent has thrown
37:49
Speaker 2: their support behind Trump's race to the White House. I'll
37:52
Speaker 2: bring you that with Adam Crichton later on the show
37:58
Speaker 2: Welcome Back Well. Schools should clearly be a safe zone
38:02
Speaker 2: from racism and division, Yet the New Southwales Education Department
38:06
Speaker 2: is on the brink of caving into the Greens. They
38:08
Speaker 2: agreed today the Education Department that is to review a
38:12
Speaker 2: directive advising public schools on whether to stay neutral on
38:16
Speaker 2: the Israel Garza War. This shocking capitulation comes after New
38:21
Speaker 2: Southell's Greens MP Abigail Boyd said students want to show
38:25
Speaker 2: their support for Palestine. Have a look.
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Speaker 12: Palestinian students have not been allowed to wear their cafe
38:32
Speaker 12: at school, that they haven't been able to have a
38:36
Speaker 12: Palestinian flag on their bags. We're not neutral on most crimes,
38:41
Speaker 12: why would we be neutral on war?
38:44
Speaker 2: Well, to discuss this and more, let's bring in now
38:46
Speaker 2: Hollywood actor Nate Buzz. Great to see you again, Nate.
38:50
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me.
38:51
Speaker 2: What do you think about this? The New Southwal's Education
38:53
Speaker 2: Department potentially or they've agreed to review whether schools have
38:58
Speaker 2: to stay neutral on the war.
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Speaker 11: I think what we have to remind ourselves of is
39:03
Speaker 11: when people have been wearing the kafirs and when they've
39:05
Speaker 11: been waiving the Palestinian flag for the last ten months
39:07
Speaker 11: around Australia, it's been directly connected to violent chants and threats,
39:13
Speaker 11: and so I just don't think it's a fitting place
39:15
Speaker 11: to bring this into schools where young minds can be
39:18
Speaker 11: influenced to think a certain way, when what's happening in
39:22
Speaker 11: Israel and Gaza is far more complicated than just a
39:25
Speaker 11: nationality or an ethnicity.
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Speaker 2: I mean we talk about the indoctrination of children, that's
39:30
Speaker 2: what is going on in Gaza with young Palestinian children.
39:33
Speaker 2: That we don't want that in Australia at all. I
39:36
Speaker 2: mean at a time when the Prime Minister is looking
39:38
Speaker 2: at bringing in thousands, he's issued three thousand visas to Gazans,
39:45
Speaker 2: and the people there have been indoctrinated, They've been brought
39:48
Speaker 2: up to hate Israel and hate Jews. Do you think
39:51
Speaker 2: it would be worrying to bring people here without adequate
39:56
Speaker 2: security vetting?
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Speaker 11: Well, I think what it reveals is, you know, the
39:59
Speaker 11: current Stinian movement, its use of radicalization with the youth
40:03
Speaker 11: which happens in Gaza. The IDF have come across countless
40:07
Speaker 11: examples where a young generation of people in Gaza in
40:11
Speaker 11: the West Bank are being taught to not only hate Israel,
40:14
Speaker 11: but also to become martyrs for a cause of gi Hyde.
40:18
Speaker 11: And so the same people who were funneling this to
40:20
Speaker 11: the youth in the Middle East are now trying to
40:22
Speaker 11: do this in Australia. That's concerning, that's alarming because what
40:25
Speaker 11: they're creating is a radicalization problem. Now, look, we saw
40:29
Speaker 11: Taylor Swift have to cancel two concerts in Vienna because
40:32
Speaker 11: of radical plans from young men who wanted to commit
40:36
Speaker 11: violent crimes because they felt they were doing something for
40:39
Speaker 11: a Palestini movement. We saw people having their throat slit
40:42
Speaker 11: in Germany again by being influenced by the radicalization of
40:48
Speaker 11: this Free Palestine movement. So the fruits of this movement
40:52
Speaker 11: is showing to be around the world, very very violent,
40:55
Speaker 11: and Australia is going to have to accept the fact
40:58
Speaker 11: that if something like that happens, those who have been
41:00
Speaker 11: allowing this to go on are going to be directly responsible.
41:03
Speaker 11: Blood It's going to be on the hands because they're
41:04
Speaker 11: allowing this sort of speech and this movement to live,
41:08
Speaker 11: to breathe, and to be affecting young minds all over Australia.
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Speaker 2: Look, when October seven broke out, you were splitting your
41:15
Speaker 2: time between Australia and Hollywood. You then felt very strongly
41:20
Speaker 2: about the issue of anti Semitism and Israel as well.
41:24
Speaker 2: And you've now living quite a lot of spending quite
41:28
Speaker 2: a lot of time in Israel. You know from your
41:31
Speaker 2: time there, do you think that a lot of the
41:34
Speaker 2: Palestinians do support Hamas?
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Speaker 11: Yes, without a doubt. Unfortunately, that's the reality on the ground.
41:41
Speaker 11: If there was a vote to take place in Gaza
41:44
Speaker 11: or the West Bank tomorrow, Hamas would win unanimously. You know,
41:49
Speaker 11: I think the greatest problem that I'm seeing is most
41:52
Speaker 11: people who are weighing in on this conversation have never
41:55
Speaker 11: been to Israel, have never fully understand the conflict that
41:58
Speaker 11: has been unfolding for seventy six plus years. And so
42:02
Speaker 11: you know, my time, my experience. I mean, I've got
42:05
Speaker 11: two examples. I've been chatting to a lot of Gazans
42:08
Speaker 11: in Gaza right now, trying to build some sort of
42:11
Speaker 11: relationship and conversation with them. I'm looking for people who
42:14
Speaker 11: may feel that Hermas has led them down a destructive road.
42:18
Speaker 11: Every single conversation I'm having with young Gazans is that
42:22
Speaker 11: they're fully in support of not only what Hamas is doing,
42:25
Speaker 11: but what they did on October seventh. Now, most Australians,
42:29
Speaker 11: I think you and I would agree if we showed
42:31
Speaker 11: them the raw footage and showed them the facts of
42:35
Speaker 11: what Hamas did in eight hours in Israel, killing twelve
42:38
Speaker 11: hundred innocent Israelis. I'm talking people in their family home, women,
42:44
Speaker 11: children being murdered, you know, young people at a music festival.
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Speaker 11: Most Australians will say this is not acceptable and I
42:49
Speaker 11: can't get behind this. And what they need to realize
42:52
Speaker 11: is that most people support in the Palestinian movement are
42:55
Speaker 11: fully in support of not only Hamas but the events
42:58
Speaker 11: of October seventh. Now here's where the hypocrisy starts. You'll
43:02
Speaker 11: see a lot of pro Palestinian supporters referring to the
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Speaker 11: current Prime Minister of Israel, netanyahuo As a Hitler type,
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Speaker 11: and they'll even call Israel's military operation similar to what
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Speaker 11: the Nazis were doing to the Jews in the nineteen
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Speaker 11: thirties and the nineteen forties, and yet in the same
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Speaker 11: breath they celebrate and glorify what Hitler did to the Jews.
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Speaker 11: So their own message is full of him.
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Speaker 1: Very confused.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Now, because of your advocacy for Israel and the
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Speaker 2: Jewish people, you've received horrific death threats, hundreds of death threats,
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Speaker 2: massive cost to you personally for your security. And also
43:37
Speaker 2: two actors from your own from one of your own
43:40
Speaker 2: shows in Hollywood have shunned you. Can you tell us
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Speaker 2: about this?
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Speaker 11: Yeah, So, one of the main actors on the TV
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Speaker 11: show that I worked in refuses to be in photos
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Speaker 11: with me because of my stands for Israel. Now, look,
43:51
Speaker 11: I'm not upset with him because he's just being fed
43:54
Speaker 11: the Palestinian narrative over and over again, and he's looking
43:57
Speaker 11: out for his career. But you know, the threats is
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Speaker 11: a great example of what's really at the heart of
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Speaker 11: this movement. You know, it's a sad reality when you
44:08
Speaker 11: take a stance and the people that for the Palestinian
44:13
Speaker 11: movement feel that their only option is to use violence.
44:16
Speaker 11: And so you know, I was in Berlin shooting a
44:19
Speaker 11: sunglass campaign and I had many pro Palestinian supporters trying
44:23
Speaker 11: to track me down so they could harm me in
44:25
Speaker 11: some way. You know, and people often say to me,
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Speaker 11: why do you do this name, Why do you put
44:29
Speaker 11: yourself at risk if the result is going to be
44:32
Speaker 11: potential violence from those who support the Palestinian movement. But
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Speaker 11: the fact that people are trying to threaten me for
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Speaker 11: standing with Israel and trying to remove my voice with
44:43
Speaker 11: violence is further proof why it's so important that we
44:47
Speaker 11: actually stand up and stand with the Israelis as they
44:50
Speaker 11: continue to deal with this violence, not only from Hamas,
44:53
Speaker 11: but also from Hesbela in the north, who has been
44:56
Speaker 11: using provocation over and over again since the seventh of October.
44:59
Speaker 11: I mean, to this date, they've shot eight thousand rockets
45:03
Speaker 11: towards northern Israel.
45:04
Speaker 4: Eight thousand.
45:05
Speaker 11: I mean, what nation would deal with this? You know,
45:07
Speaker 11: what would Albanese do if the Australian people were being
45:11
Speaker 11: bombarded with rocket attacks from our neighbors.
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Speaker 2: Well, he criticizes Israel all the time for how it's
45:17
Speaker 2: fighting the war.
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Speaker 11: Look, Albanize has never been in a situation where he's
45:20
Speaker 11: had to protect the well being in the safety of Australians.
45:23
Speaker 11: You know, maybe his biggest concern is which sporting event
45:26
Speaker 11: he'll attend on a Friday night. You know, Benjamin et Yahoo,
45:31
Speaker 11: whether you like him or not, is in one of
45:33
Speaker 11: the most difficult positions right now because he not only
45:36
Speaker 11: has threats from the North, he doesn't have threats just
45:39
Speaker 11: from Gaza, but he also has the Islamic regime threatening
45:43
Speaker 11: the entire nation of Israel every single day, and sundly,
45:46
Speaker 11: yeah here on and sadly, you know, the world wants
45:49
Speaker 11: to give them nuclear capabilities. I mean, this is a
45:53
Speaker 11: very very dangerous time for the Middle East. More than that,
45:56
Speaker 11: this is going to affect the world. You know, what
45:58
Speaker 11: happens in Israel is flowing over into the world. You
46:00
Speaker 11: can see that in the protests.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, every I mean antisemitism and lawlessness and aggression
46:07
Speaker 2: in every major city. Nate Buzz, you have been one
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Speaker 2: of the most powerful defenders of the Jewish community, particularly
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Speaker 2: in the past ten months. So thank you so much
46:16
Speaker 2: for your strong voice. And for anyone who doesn't know you, well,
46:19
Speaker 2: you've got what three and a half million followers on Instagram,
46:22
Speaker 2: so everyone can follow your interviews and conversations there. Thank
46:26
Speaker 2: you so much.
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much.
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Speaker 2: Now up next, shocking allegations from the CEO of Meta
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Speaker 2: himself about an attempt to censor Facebook users. Class a
46:36
Speaker 2: former Democrat, follows in the footsteps of RFK Junior and
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Speaker 2: endorses Trump. That's up Net. All right, let's go live
46:45
Speaker 2: to the US now, and let's bring in the Australians.
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Speaker 2: Washington correspondent Adam Crichton, Adam, great to see you.
46:52
Speaker 9: Look.
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Speaker 2: Can you tell us about this extraordinary letter that Meta
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Speaker 2: CEO Mark Zuckerberg wrote today to the House Judiciary Committee
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Speaker 2: and the admissions he made in it.
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Speaker 6: Yes, certainly, Cherry look at was an extraordinary letter. Very
47:08
Speaker 6: basically said that the US Goverment repeatedly pressured Facebook and
47:12
Speaker 6: I used that phrase on purpose, repeatedly pressured the company
47:15
Speaker 6: to take down various statements about lockdowns, about vaccines, about
47:19
Speaker 6: the whole COVID episode, which in hindsight turned out.
47:22
Speaker 4: To be very true.
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Speaker 1: And he said that he regretted that very very.
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Speaker 6: Much, and he shouldn't have done it, and they won't
47:27
Speaker 6: do it again. He secondly also said that the Hunter
47:30
Speaker 6: Biden lapstop story, which I'm sure your viewers are very
47:32
Speaker 6: familiar with, was actually correct. Of course, it was not
47:35
Speaker 6: Russian disinformation and it was a mistake of Facebook to
47:38
Speaker 6: take it down. So look, it was a fairly lengthy
47:40
Speaker 6: letter and it kind of came out of nowhere.
47:41
Speaker 1: No one was really expecting it.
47:44
Speaker 6: Two years ago or so, he did make some public
47:47
Speaker 6: comments in a podcast where he said some of the
47:49
Speaker 6: things they took down are wrong, but he never before
47:51
Speaker 6: has said that the US Goverment repeatedly pressured the company
47:55
Speaker 6: to do so, and of course that is a First
47:56
Speaker 6: Amendment violation in the United States with potentialifications. It's quite
48:02
Speaker 6: a shame that this information has comes now because there
48:05
Speaker 6: was a Supreme Court case that was thrown out in
48:07
Speaker 6: June which really could have used this new piece of information.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting. I've seen speculation that perhaps there might
48:15
Speaker 2: be a whistleblower coming out or something that has led
48:18
Speaker 2: to this letter. I guess we'll have to wait and see,
48:20
Speaker 2: but definitely a win for free speech. Let's have a
48:24
Speaker 2: look at another long term Democrat who's now cross sides
48:27
Speaker 2: to endorse Donald Trump at Tulsey. Do you pronounce the
48:30
Speaker 2: surname Gabbard. You'll have to tell me. Adam served as
48:33
Speaker 2: a Democratic congresswoman from gathered from Hawaii for eight years,
48:38
Speaker 2: she's praising Trump for his foreign policy. Tell us about
48:42
Speaker 2: this endorsement.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, look, it's a pretty extraordinary transition for her. I mean,
48:48
Speaker 6: she ran for president for the Democrats in twenty twenties.
48:50
Speaker 6: She was on the st at the same stage as
48:52
Speaker 6: Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, of course, and now you knows,
48:56
Speaker 6: you know, she's given this a full throated endorsement for
48:58
Speaker 6: Donald Trump. It's not so much of a surprise. She
49:01
Speaker 6: did leave the Democrat Party in twenty twenty two. She
49:04
Speaker 6: called them a group of warmongers. She was extremely critical,
49:08
Speaker 6: So I guess there's no surprise in that sense. But
49:10
Speaker 6: it could boost Trump's campaign to some extendent. Of course,
49:12
Speaker 6: coming just a few days after Robert F. Kennedy, who
49:15
Speaker 6: also a former Democrat, has endorsed Trump. Look remains to
49:19
Speaker 6: be seeing what this does to the polls. I mean,
49:22
Speaker 6: certainly it's embarrassing, I suppose for Democrats that those two
49:26
Speaker 6: individuals have done this. But still it's the case that
49:28
Speaker 6: Kamala Harris is leading Trump forty seven percent to about
49:32
Speaker 6: forty four percent in most national polls in the US.
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Speaker 2: Do you think very quickly, do you think that their
49:38
Speaker 2: first debate could shift this significantly.
49:43
Speaker 4: Yes, Look I think it could.
49:44
Speaker 6: I think it's going to be, you know, probably the
49:45
Speaker 6: most important one and a half hours of television for
49:48
Speaker 6: many years, probably across the world. I think it's going
49:50
Speaker 6: to be extremely crucial. Look, there's there's you know, there's
49:55
Speaker 6: there's some speculation now that it might be moved because
49:57
Speaker 6: there's an argument between the two camps whether the my
50:00
Speaker 6: crophones are going to be muted or not.
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Speaker 2: I see she's making all sorts of microphones muted, all
50:05
Speaker 2: sorts of demands and wants to be able to bring
50:08
Speaker 2: notes in as well. Adam Crichton, we're out of time,
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Speaker 2: thanks for joining us. And right now here's Paul Murray.