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Normally Podcast: The Big, Beautiful Bill - Friend or Foe?! · Normally

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  Speaker 1: Hey, guys, we are back on. Normally the show with
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  Speaker 1: normalis takes, but when the news gets weird. I'm Mary
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  Speaker 1: Catherine Ham.
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  Speaker 2: And I am Carol Markowitz, and we are in the
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  Speaker 2: same room.
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  Speaker 1: Mary cant it's weird because it's weird. It's weird on
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  Speaker 1: normally today it's a weird abnormally.
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  Speaker 2: Normally today, we're in Palm Beach. And the only reason
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  Speaker 2: I'm saying that is because we're going to be gone
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  Speaker 2: by the time this airs. My husband does not let
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  Speaker 2: me share location. It's a you know, ever since the
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  Speaker 2: four Square days where people would check in everywhere they went.
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  Speaker 1: He did not, like I've always been delayed on sharing
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  Speaker 1: the location. It just seems like it just seems wise, right.
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  Speaker 2: I know, normally listeners are our people and will not
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  Speaker 2: just show up to where they think we might be
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  Speaker 2: in Palm Beach. But nevertheless, it is nice to be
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  Speaker 2: in the free State of Florida.
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  Speaker 1: Not bad, right, Yeah. And at this lovely place where
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  Speaker 1: we are staying, I was craving chocolate and I was like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to go get myself some chocolate, and I
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  Speaker 1: know it's going to be were priced at the little
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  Speaker 1: store in the hotel and it was and I paid
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  Speaker 1: too much. It was fine. Story's going back up to
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  Speaker 1: my room. And immediately after buying my overpriced chocolate, someone
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  Speaker 1: knocks on the door and says, here's some complimentary chocolate.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, well, to go.
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  Speaker 2: Now, and you could take a complimentary chocolate home.
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing We'll see it might be gone. Okay, all right,
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  Speaker 1: shall we get to the news, must get into it.
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  Speaker 1: So the big beautiful Bill, the one big beautiful bill,
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  Speaker 1: is still the subject of much consternation. That is the
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  Speaker 1: word I was gonna use. We are on the same page. Look,
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  Speaker 1: I Elon's mad. He's like, I'm out of here. I'm
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  Speaker 1: going back to my businesses right right, head. This is nonsense.
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  Speaker 1: Russ vote over at the White House along with the
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  Speaker 1: White House saying, look, there's a lot of good stuff
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  Speaker 1: in this bill, which we had to do this in
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  Speaker 1: order to get the tax cuts extended. We had to
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  Speaker 1: get it. We added order security, we'd all, yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: don't think I expected any better than this, which is
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  Speaker 1: why I'm like, yeah, second better.
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  Speaker 2: You could hear the disappointment in Elon's tone. He's so
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  Speaker 2: annoyed at this, and I fully understand him, But you
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  Speaker 2: know you and I have been around political luck once
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  Speaker 2: or twice and we're like, good, this is manny with
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  Speaker 2: that bad.
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  Speaker 1: Well, And so he puts forth all these cuts. Those
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  Speaker 1: cuts can't necessarily go into this particular bill.
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  Speaker 2: They have to be part of a decision pack about
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  Speaker 2: that on a previous episode, if anybody wants to catch
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  Speaker 2: up with that.
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  Speaker 1: Which and the President is sending that stuff over to
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  Speaker 1: a total of about nine billion, which is not a
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  Speaker 1: lot of money in the grand scheme of things, but
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  Speaker 1: is something uh, And Speaker Johnson is like, yes, we're
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  Speaker 1: going to take that up asap. People who are invested
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  Speaker 1: in the Doge cuts are understandably mad, like this should
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  Speaker 1: be done immediately. In fact, I would argue maybe they
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  Speaker 1: should have changed the order and done a couple Doge
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  Speaker 1: cuts first. Yeah, you've done to this. But let's hear
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  Speaker 1: a little bit about why Elon Musk is upset and
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  Speaker 1: I'm with him on this. Here's a little clip.
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  Speaker 3: The reason I'm here is because I'm I'm very worried
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  Speaker 3: about America going bankrupt due to the corruption of waste,
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  Speaker 3: and if we're gonna do something about it, the ship
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  Speaker 3: of America is going to sink and we're all on
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  Speaker 3: that ship, you know, and this may be a message
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  Speaker 3: to you know, people out there who have you know,
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  Speaker 3: are wealthy, have a lot of means or patrol companies.
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  Speaker 3: It's like, just remember, we're all in ship of America here.
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  Speaker 3: If your company is not going to exist, if you know,
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  Speaker 3: if the ship of America sinks, and we should do
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  Speaker 3: everything we possibly can to ensure that America is strong
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  Speaker 3: for far into the future.
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  Speaker 2: It's really he's not mad, he's just disappointed, and he's right. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: of course he's right, and or he's right.
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  Speaker 1: But part of the problem is neither Doge, nor the
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  Speaker 1: Republican President, House Senate, nor any Democrat one once she
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  Speaker 1: touched the thing that's actually the problem, which entitlements. And
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  Speaker 1: if you don't do that, you really can't get a
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  Speaker 1: handle on the bankrupt plan.
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  Speaker 2: You can't get elected if you're going to touch in titlements.
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  Speaker 2: And you can't fix things unless you touch in titlements.
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  Speaker 2: So they're in this catch twenty two. I don't think
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  Speaker 2: anybody even wants to fix it anymore. I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the deficit that we barely talk about it,
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  Speaker 2: and Elon is of course he's right. Of course, He's
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  Speaker 2: right that we're in big trouble together, but you know,
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  Speaker 2: getting politicians who care about that and who are willing
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  Speaker 2: to take political risks to fix it.
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  Speaker 1: It's very tough. By the way, there is there is
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  Speaker 1: an occasional headline that makes me go about the big
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  Speaker 1: Beautiful Bill, such as the Hill the Big Beautiful Bill
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  Speaker 1: would secretly dismantle the civil Service. I'm listening, tell me. Katie.
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  Speaker 1: Pavloch noted that there's a lot of border security stuff
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  Speaker 1: in here that would get Trump through this term. Here's
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  Speaker 1: Russ Vote, who's the OMB director with this administration planning
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  Speaker 1: what he says is good about this bill.
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  Speaker 4: We think the bill is a very good one. We
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  Speaker 4: think it's very strong. Fiscally, nothing's changed from our view
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  Speaker 4: of the world. We understand where he's coming from. But
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  Speaker 4: if you have an accurate baseline that trefs taxes the
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  Speaker 4: same way trees spending, this budget is one point six
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  Speaker 4: trillion dollars in mandatory savings. It's the most historic amount
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  Speaker 4: of mandatory reforms that this town has ever seen, and
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  Speaker 4: certainly we haven't seen anything like it since the mid
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  Speaker 4: nineteen nineties with welfare reform. And it's a one point
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  Speaker 4: four trillion dollar improvement to deficits and debt. So, but
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  Speaker 4: I don't think there's any way that you could possibly
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  Speaker 4: suggest this is not a fiscally responsible bill.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like.
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  Speaker 2: There's some ways we could argue this is fiscally responsible.
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  Speaker 1: You could find some and I'm gonna.
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  Speaker 2: Try with my husband, like, I want to do a
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  Speaker 2: lot of shopping and then be like, this is the
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  Speaker 2: lowest amount of shopping this family has seen in the
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  Speaker 2: last five.
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  Speaker 1: Years, you know, And to be analogous, you need to
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  Speaker 1: like really rack up your shopping in twenty twenty twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty one, which is what the federal government did the
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  Speaker 1: bags for everyone. The levels of spending from twenty twenty
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  Speaker 1: and twenty twenty one are absolutely insane. The baselines that
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  Speaker 1: they've been observing since then are insane because that's what
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  Speaker 1: government does. And that's the part where I feel like
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  Speaker 1: if there had been an attempt to be really bold,
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  Speaker 1: you could have said like, hey, let's back this train up.
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  Speaker 1: And by the way, this is bold on federal government standards,
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  Speaker 1: which is just like, let's take it back to normal
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  Speaker 1: town in twenty nineteen. Yeah, if that's what we made it, we're.
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  Speaker 2: Asking it for right. It's not even like, Okay, yes,
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  Speaker 2: cutting entitlements obviously would make a huge difference, but you're
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  Speaker 2: unwilling to do that. At least get us back to
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  Speaker 2: where we were before the pandemic. And I don't think
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  Speaker 2: Elon's really asking too much.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and vote is right that the way they score
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  Speaker 1: these things, by the Congressional Budget Office, which makes these determinations,
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  Speaker 1: they count taxes as if that all that government beyond
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  Speaker 1: belongs to the government and not to you. So the
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  Speaker 1: way they calculate it does ding the bill and rights
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  Speaker 1: that are unfair to the bill. However, nevertheless, there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot there. I did see today that this is not
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  Speaker 1: through this bill, but sanctuary. Duffy cut seven billion or
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  Speaker 1: four to seven billion to California for their high speed rail,
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  Speaker 1: which has never yet layin a track. Meanwhile, Florida's like
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  Speaker 1: got a private high speed rail line. It's just like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we made in like a year and a half, right,
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  Speaker 1: and it's working great. Yeah, it's great.
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  Speaker 2: We'll be right back on normally our second topic today.
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  Speaker 2: It's a little inside baseball, but I think it's actually
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  Speaker 2: pretty important. The Florida Board of Governors voted down the
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  Speaker 2: University of Florida president pick Santa Ono. Now, this guy
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  Speaker 2: Ono came from Michigan, and the University of Florida Board
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  Speaker 2: of Trustees was very dazzled by his prestige. But he
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  Speaker 2: was a really typical left leaning administrator, and he kind
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  Speaker 2: of tried to walk it back in the last few months,
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  Speaker 2: but it was a little too late for that. And
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  Speaker 2: I love that the Board of Governors did its thing
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  Speaker 2: and said no, not here some stories about him. He
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  Speaker 2: wanted to introduce d Dei to point oh at Michigan,
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  Speaker 2: he does land acknowledgements, and he failed to protect Jewish
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  Speaker 2: students on campus after October seventh. Beyond just failing to
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  Speaker 2: protect Jewish students, he kept stressing that free speech was
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  Speaker 2: very important to him. But then when our friend Josh
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  Speaker 2: Hammer spoke there, he was shouted down by protesters. Santa
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  Speaker 2: Onno did nothing until the protesters came to his house
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  Speaker 2: one night, and then he suddenly took action about where
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  Speaker 2: the protesters can protest.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that was about his personal Well, that's different.
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  Speaker 2: That matters.
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  Speaker 1: You know, administrators are often much better at putting out
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  Speaker 1: statements about how they personally think free speech is important,
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  Speaker 1: so they have to actually do something exactly to protect
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  Speaker 1: unpopular speech on campus. To me, this is this just
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  Speaker 1: looked like taking an l for no reason. If you're
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  Speaker 1: going to hire this guy, it is Florida. There is
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  Speaker 1: a vibe shift. You do not need to hire a
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  Speaker 1: man coming from ann Arbor exactly in the University of
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  Speaker 1: Michigan for any sort of prestige or anything, because all
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  Speaker 1: these Southern schools are attracting the best students in the
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  Speaker 1: nation now thanks to their you know, free COVID policies
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  Speaker 1: back in the day, and not punishing students in the
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  Speaker 1: terrible ways that Northeastern and mid Atlantic schools did. And
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  Speaker 1: so what are you gaining exactly when you could be
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  Speaker 1: losing a ton?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I can tell you that University of Florida
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  Speaker 2: has had a leap in applications in twenty twenty. They
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  Speaker 2: had thirty eight thousand applications this year. Last year the
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  Speaker 2: number was sixty five thousand. Numbers are not in for
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  Speaker 2: this year yet, I think, But I can tell you
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  Speaker 2: that in my South a world, they called it the
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  Speaker 2: UF bloodbath this year, Like kids got into Stamford and
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  Speaker 2: Harvard but not into UF. And it's a new day.
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  Speaker 2: You're absolutely right. The vibe shift is here. Why should
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  Speaker 2: UF care about the prestige of University of Michigan. It
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  Speaker 2: just it made no sense, and it was really a
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  Speaker 2: line in the sand. I think it was one of
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  Speaker 2: the first times that you could see, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: all the headlines call this a historic stop to this
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  Speaker 2: to this kind of thing, but it was the first
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  Speaker 2: time you could see people taking action to say, no,
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  Speaker 2: we're not just going to sign this guy in because
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  Speaker 2: that's what we've always done. We're going to take a
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  Speaker 2: stand and say.
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  Speaker 1: No, Well, this is exactly not an se school necessarily,
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  Speaker 1: but a college is exactly the kind of place, and
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  Speaker 1: a board of governors is exactly the kind of place
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  Speaker 1: that is very susceptible to being seduced soil like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I'm a guy from an important school and I have
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  Speaker 1: an important Like times are different now, Yeah, you don't
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  Speaker 1: have to play that game anymore, certainly not these schools.
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  Speaker 1: And far be it from me to speak up the
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  Speaker 1: University of Florida as a bulldog, but I will lay
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  Speaker 1: aside these regional differences in support of it, in support
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  Speaker 1: of the larger the larger picture, and I think they
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  Speaker 1: I think they made the right call here. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: going from Ben Sas to exact Santa oh No from
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  Speaker 1: University of Michigan would have seemed like an l and.
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  Speaker 2: It's it showed that it could be done. So I
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  Speaker 2: think what will happen is in other schools, this kind
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  Speaker 2: of thing will happen and they will be able to
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  Speaker 2: look at the University of Florida and say their board
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  Speaker 2: of governors was able to stop this wokeness encroachment, and
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  Speaker 2: so can we.
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  Speaker 1: And by the way, this reminds me of Saas's immediate
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  Speaker 1: October seventh statement and the I believe it was the
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  Speaker 1: Sabbath meal that they hosted inside the Giant Marina after
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  Speaker 1: October seventh. That's what you're looking for when it comes
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  Speaker 1: to supporting your supporting your students, not this tepid nonsense
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  Speaker 1: or total derelicts and of duty that you see at
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  Speaker 1: other schools.
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  Speaker 2: Right, and then the thing was like, oh, University of
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  Speaker 2: Michigan only had an encampment for like a month, like
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  Speaker 2: University of ngrats not have one at all. They did
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  Speaker 2: not have one, and they had the biggest stater a
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  Speaker 2: in the country in the April following.
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  Speaker 1: The that's sort of voice.
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  Speaker 2: It was just watching from You know, my kids aren't
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  Speaker 2: college age yet, but everybody's kids around us started talking
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  Speaker 2: about University of Florida as the choice because it was
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  Speaker 2: such a stained place to be and it just looked
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  Speaker 2: so normal. And while the other schools were setting themselves
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  Speaker 2: on fire to try to protect you know, vandals and
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  Speaker 2: people who are harassing their Jewish students, University of Florida
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  Speaker 2: just wasn't having that. So Yep, good on the board
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  Speaker 2: of governors. Love to see it.
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  Speaker 1: Hope it spreads. Yeah, I think I think it will spread,
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  Speaker 1: as we have seen the Florida model spreading to the
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  Speaker 1: rest of the country is what you really want to
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  Speaker 1: see instead of what we had in the past, which
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  Speaker 1: is the California models separading like the East.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to take a short break and come right
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  Speaker 2: back with normally.
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  Speaker 1: Speaking of failed models, can we talk a little about
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  Speaker 1: Carine Jean Pierre. Now she's in the news today, she
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  Speaker 1: should have been in the news for the past two weeks.
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  Speaker 1: But interestingly, the former Cliet White House Press secretary has
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  Speaker 1: become an unbookable guest. Right No Sunday Show seems to
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  Speaker 1: have her number, Yeah to get her on the air
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  Speaker 1: during the Biden's dementia scandal news cycle. But now she's
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  Speaker 1: in the news because she's got a new.
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  Speaker 5: Book, Carol Yeah, and that book is called are you Ready?
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  Speaker 5: I love this so much, Independent colon a look inside
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  Speaker 5: a broken White House outside the party lines.
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  Speaker 1: I have trouble communicating about this one without cussing. This
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  Speaker 1: is the goal, absolutely insane.
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  Speaker 2: The audacity.
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  Speaker 1: Let's hear a little bit of her audacity at the
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  Speaker 1: risk of giving her press she doesn't deserve. I think
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  Speaker 1: you do need to get your mind. You're aft around
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  Speaker 1: like what a person like her is willing to do
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  Speaker 1: to turn a career post White House, post that disastrous
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  Speaker 1: White House that she covered up for. Here's here's a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of her pitch about this book.
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  Speaker 6: Hi, I'm Karine Jean Pierre, and I am the author
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  Speaker 6: of a new book that's coming out this fall called Independent.
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  Speaker 6: It's coming out on October twenty first, so please please
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  Speaker 6: do grab it. And the reason I wrote this book
• 14:28
  Speaker 6: coming out of the White House. You know, serving as
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  Speaker 6: White House pre secretary was an honor and a privilege.
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  Speaker 6: But since I have left, the people that come up
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  Speaker 6: to me, strangers that come up to me just across
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  Speaker 6: the country, as I'm traveling, and sometimes right in my neighborhood,
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  Speaker 6: at a grocery store, supermarket, airport, my daughter's school. The
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  Speaker 6: number one question.
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  Speaker 7: They ask me is Korean. How do we get out
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  Speaker 7: of this? How do we protect our democracy? How do
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  Speaker 7: we protect vulnerable communities among us? What do we do next?
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  Speaker 7: Because we don't have answers here? That's what they ask me.
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  Speaker 7: And this is my answer. And what I mean by
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  Speaker 7: that is in an era of misinformation, disinformation, the regressiveness
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  Speaker 7: of social policy, what we're seeing currently right now, what
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  Speaker 7: I have decided to do, and I really have thought
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  Speaker 7: long and hard about this, is to follow my own compass.
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  Speaker 1: And that's what I've done. And that's what this book does.
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  Speaker 2: And here's the truth, and here's how I will.
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  Speaker 1: Lay it out to you.
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  Speaker 7: I think we need to stop thinking in boxes and
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  Speaker 7: think outside of our boxes and not be so partisan.
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  Speaker 1: Outside our outside our boxes. Okay, a couple of things.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what she is thinking with this.
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  Speaker 1: Independent is such a ludicrous title. She said she's leaving
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  Speaker 1: the Democratic Party, but that's part of this. Uh, your
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  Speaker 1: job description is to be the opposite of independent. If
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  Speaker 1: you are the White House President Secretary she happens to
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  Speaker 1: be the worst one since I've been alive, and this
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  Speaker 1: is an indication of why. And she's just she's using
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  Speaker 1: this sort of bland news speak yes to pivot to
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  Speaker 1: this nonsense position in which she tells all of us,
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  Speaker 1: not White House press secretaries, who covered up for an
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  Speaker 1: old man president who couldn't do the job, we need
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  Speaker 1: to be.
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  Speaker 2: Less partisan better, we need to be disappointed.
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  Speaker 1: I love it when I says, he here's the truth, now, girl,
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  Speaker 1: you can't use that line.
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  Speaker 2: I like when she says misinformation and disinformation like, oh
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  Speaker 2: it was coming from.
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  Speaker 1: It is stunning, And I'll tell you what she's thinking.
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  Speaker 1: Politico has actually done some reporting on this the Ungettable Guest,
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  Speaker 1: which they haven't been able to book for anything else where.
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  Speaker 1: They have found that what she is, what she was
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  Speaker 1: aiming for post White House was a spot on the view.
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  Speaker 1: But she didn't get it. So I say, did somebody
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  Speaker 1: else get it? I don't think so. So I know I
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  Speaker 1: think I was she gonna muscle one of them out,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't know what was the plan there. There's
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  Speaker 1: a political story that talks about Gilda Squires, a New
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  Speaker 1: York based publicist who worked with her while she was
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  Speaker 1: in the White House, got her the Vogue spread, got
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  Speaker 1: her the Women's Health thing, traveled with her in New
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  Speaker 1: York to appear on the View. According to former officials,
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  Speaker 1: Jean Pierre had been hoping for a post White House
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: job as a co host on the show, following the
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: template of her predecessor, Jinsaki, who departed the job after
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: just more after just more than a year for an
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: anchor job at MSNBC. But no such opportunity materialized for
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: Jean Pierre. A factorss three of her former colleagues surmise
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: that likely led to the book. A little side story
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: on this is that Gilda Squire, this pr person, A
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: lot of people in the White House apparently were annoyed
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: that KJP was using this woman to like boost herself
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: at the expense of other people in the White House.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: And Alex Thompson asked them at the time, I've heard
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: that you have guild a squire roped in on official
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: White House stuff. You're publicist who is not vetted for anything.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: And he asked gild A Squire and could you pee
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: about it? And they said, no, no, no, that's not real. No,
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: of course not today Alex Thompson burnt guild Esquire as
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: a source and published her off the record emails denying
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: this last saying, if you don't tell the truth, you're
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: no longer off the record. And I wish they would
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: do that for more people.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: Oh that's really interesting.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: I miss that burn everyone.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, I you don't get to stay anonymous. It's
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: amazing because I can't see her in any kind of
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: neusual jen Zaki. I am not a fan, but she
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: was effective and you could see why she would be
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: good on television. Queen Jean Pierre ineffective, and I cannot
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: see her getting a point across. I didn't understand what
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: the point of her book was in that explanation.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: So no, it's actually it's all the downsides of like
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: I feel old gas lit, and yet there was nothing
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: there that she's fighting for. Right, She's not even gaslighting
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: me for a purpose anymore. Yeah, what do you mean?
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: Broken white House?
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: Who broke?
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: Who it? Right?
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: Who? You never mentioned anything was broken before?
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah? My take was like if I were to write,
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: like Free Spirit, the story of a broken laundry system
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: in my home, and how I had nothing to do
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: with it, Right, It's just like, this was your responsibility,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: you were part of this.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. I was waiting for the Insider books to
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: come out because it would be like, this is who
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: was really running the White House, and this is what
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: the inside review was. But this is so mealy mouthed.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: Who broke the White House? What was broken inside of it?
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: I can't quite envision what she's going to say, and
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: it just sounded so neither here nor there.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: I assume that it's going to be an argument that
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: they should have been further to the left. I also
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: like the construction is very passive, like inside a broken
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: right right, your point, who broke it? Yeah, It's like
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: me looking at all the laundry in my house and
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: being like free spirit inside the story of a broken
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: laundry system with which I had nothing to do. It's like,
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: this is part of your job, man. But she's just
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: dispensing with responsibility for any of this, even though she
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: was these main spokesperson for the biggest presidential scandal of
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: my lifetime. Yeah, and she's just going to be like
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: anyway onto being a fiery progressive independent.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, maybe she ends up at some sort of
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: news program. I just again, I have a hard time
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: visualizing it.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: I think she's going to be a casualty of the
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: Biden scandals. I think they're done with him, and by extension,
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: they're going to be done with her and her self. Promotion. Yeah,
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: I don't think this will be juicy enough to be
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: a huge seller. I do look forward to the fact
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: that suddenly she will be a bookable guest and maybe
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: someone could ask her a question about the Giant scandal.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: I have such a hard time picturing anybody asking her question, yeah,
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: about the Giant scandal, other than Pete Goosey. I mean,
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: she can go on Fox.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: The nice thing is that no matter how gentle the questions,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: she will screw it up right. Whatever the answer is,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: she might accidentally tell you the whole answer. I r'ight
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: be like, well, let me look at my binder, and
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: the binder will just be like, yes, he was basically
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: comatose for four years and here are the ways. Oh wrong, page,
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: I shouldn't have read that. Well, I'm looking forward to
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: that news cycle.
• 21:29
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