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Episode 37_ The Disappearance of Madeleine McCann Part 1(M4A_128K) · NO FILTER

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  Speaker 1: What's up you guys.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Haley and I'm Andrea and this is Inhuman, a
• 0:04
  Speaker 2: true crime podcast. So before we get into today's episode,
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  Speaker 2: I have like three small pieces of like business.
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  Speaker 1: I want to cover.
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  Speaker 3: Get to the business. Yeah, yeah, non.
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  Speaker 2: Related to this episode. So first I want to give
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  Speaker 2: a quick update in the Gabby Potito case since it's
• 0:25
  Speaker 2: still ongoing.
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  Speaker 1: Brian Laundry is still missing.
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  Speaker 2: But this week we did learn Gabby's cause of death,
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  Speaker 2: so it was manual strangulation and the coroner explained that
• 0:39
  Speaker 2: this was done by hand. But other than that, the
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  Speaker 2: corner didn't really release much from the autopsy. But he
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  Speaker 2: did say that Gabby's body was outside for three to
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  Speaker 2: four weeks before she was found.
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  Speaker 1: So that's like.
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  Speaker 4: Right after their little incident. Yeah, that's literally maybe even
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  Speaker 4: you know, that's same week.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's so crazy.
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  Speaker 2: It really helps clarify the timeline I think. Yeah, so yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I think this is what a lot of people expected,
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  Speaker 2: but you know, now we know for sure.
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  Speaker 4: Honestly, it surprised me. I was thinking more along the
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  Speaker 4: lines of like blunt force trauma or something like.
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  Speaker 2: That, you know, but that's what I thought at first
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  Speaker 2: when they first found her. But then as soon as
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  Speaker 2: they immediately, you know, pretty quickly determined homicide. That's when
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  Speaker 2: I was like, mm, I feel like it has to
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  Speaker 2: be something that is clearly homicide, like stablin or like
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  Speaker 2: gunshot or Yeah. So I don't know, but it's definitely interesting.
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  Speaker 4: It's definitely like they always say, to strangle someone, you
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  Speaker 4: have to be like looking them in the face. It's
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  Speaker 4: like a true crime of passion, Like it takes a
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  Speaker 4: special kind of psychopath.
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  Speaker 1: To do that. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, I hope they find this guy. I do too,
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  Speaker 2: like sooner than later. Yeah, and he's still just a
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  Speaker 2: person of interest in her.
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  Speaker 3: Death, which is bullshit.
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  Speaker 4: I know, I saw his little parents. No, yeah, I
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  Speaker 4: don't care, like he killed her. Yeah, I think everybody
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  Speaker 4: knows who else who else unless there's some kind of
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  Speaker 4: crazy serial killer roaming around and he's just running for
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  Speaker 4: no good reason.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, so those are the updates and no, it's fine,
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  Speaker 2: this was me yesterday, I like like rabbit Hole Tangentah.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, so those are the updates in that case.
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  Speaker 2: And then the second thing is we've gotten a lot
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  Speaker 2: of case requests in like random places from dms and
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  Speaker 2: comments on posts and stuff. So I just wanted to
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  Speaker 2: remind you guys that the easiest way to request a
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  Speaker 2: case is to email us, and our email is Inhuman
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  Speaker 2: Monster Pod at gmail dot com and that'll be in
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  Speaker 2: our show notes, so you can just like go and
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  Speaker 2: copy and paste it. But I just wanted to share
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  Speaker 2: that because I feel like we're getting a lot of
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  Speaker 2: random case requests in different places and it's hard to
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  Speaker 2: consolidate it all. So if you email us, we for
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  Speaker 2: sure will see it and be able to add.
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  Speaker 1: It to like our list of cases.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, And finally, we reached one hundred ratings on
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  Speaker 2: Apple and just wanted to say thank you. Our goal
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  Speaker 2: was fifty by the end of the year, so we've
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  Speaker 2: doubled that. So thank you guys so much everyone that
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  Speaker 2: has rated and reviewed us on Apple, And if you're
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  Speaker 2: listening on Apple right now and you haven't, please please
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  Speaker 2: do so, because it just helps push our podcast out
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  Speaker 2: to more people. So thank you to everybody who has
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  Speaker 2: rated and who has like followed on other platforms and
• 3:45
  Speaker 2: just everybody that's listening.
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  Speaker 4: And it lets us know that we're doing a good
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  Speaker 4: job because we're human and we second guess ourselves all
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  Speaker 4: the time.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, thank you.
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  Speaker 4: We really appreciate each and every one of you that
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  Speaker 4: has taken the time to do that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we really do. So.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was just the business I wanted to cover.
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  Speaker 2: Was there anything else you wanted to talk about before
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  Speaker 2: we get into today's episode?
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  Speaker 3: I don't think so.
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  Speaker 2: All right, So if you heard our first episode this week,
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  Speaker 2: which was a spooky episode that Andrea covered that was
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  Speaker 2: so good. But if you heard that one, then you
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  Speaker 2: already know what case I'll be covering today. And this
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  Speaker 2: is one that is stuck with me for years as
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  Speaker 2: it I'm sure it has for many and at this
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  Speaker 2: point it is still technically unsolved, but there has been
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  Speaker 2: very recent movement, and I mean recent recent, like last
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  Speaker 2: week recent. Yeah, So today we are covering the disappearance
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  Speaker 2: of Madeleine McCann. Madeline Beth McCann was born on May twelfth,
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  Speaker 2: two thousand and three, to Jerry and Kate McCann. Kate
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  Speaker 2: McCann graduated with a medical degree from the University of
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  Speaker 2: Dundee in nineteen ninety two and became a general practitioner.
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  Speaker 2: Jerry McCann graduated with his medical degree from the University
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  Speaker 2: of Glasgow. I think is how you say it? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: In two thousand and two and he became a consultant
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  Speaker 2: cardiologist at the Glenfield Hospital in Leicestershire, England. And I
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  Speaker 2: looked up how to say Leicestershire, so that's.
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  Speaker 1: What Google said. So I'm sorry if I'm wrong, but
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  Speaker 1: I think that's how you say it. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Sounds good.
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  Speaker 2: The couple got married in nineteen ninety eight, five years
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  Speaker 2: after they met, and then they had their first child, Madeline,
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  Speaker 2: in two thousand and three, and the family resides in Leicestershire, England,
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  Speaker 2: and had their second and third children, a twin boy
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  Speaker 2: and girl, in two thousand and five. In May two
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  Speaker 2: thousand and seven, shortly before Madeline's fourth birthday, the McCann
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  Speaker 2: family went on vacation from their home in the UK
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  Speaker 2: to Pria de Luge in Portugal. The family was traveling
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  Speaker 2: with some of their friends, who later became known as
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  Speaker 2: the Tapa Seven. And I'll explain why in a little bit,
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  Speaker 2: but I want to go through who was on the
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  Speaker 2: trip because some of the people become important later. So
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  Speaker 2: first we have David Payne, who was pretty much the
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  Speaker 2: main organizer of the trip, and his wife Fiona Payne.
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  Speaker 2: They're both doctors and they had known the McCanns for years,
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  Speaker 2: and the couple were there with their two daughters who
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  Speaker 2: were both under three years old. And then Fiona's mother
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  Speaker 2: was also with them and she was staying in their
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  Speaker 2: apartment with them. Next we have Russell O'Brien and his
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  Speaker 2: partner Jane Tanner with their two children who were both
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  Speaker 2: also under three and Russell was a doctor as well.
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  Speaker 2: And finally we have Matthew and Rachel Oldfield who were
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  Speaker 2: a doctor and a lawyer and had their eighteen month
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  Speaker 2: old daughter with them. So these families were there along
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  Speaker 2: with the five members of the McCann family, So in
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  Speaker 2: all there were nine adults and eight children.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: The couples were all staying at the Ocean Club resort
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  Speaker 2: in Priya Deluge, and this was a resort that attracted
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  Speaker 2: many vacationing families because it had both childcare services and
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  Speaker 2: activities for adults. Praya Deluge was also known as Little
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  Speaker 2: Britain because a lot of British vacationers would travel there
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  Speaker 2: and the town also had some you know, British locals
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  Speaker 2: living there and it had a population of about one
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  Speaker 2: thousand people.
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  Speaker 4: I can't imagine going on vacation and just letting some
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  Speaker 4: strange person watch my kids.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, I know.
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  Speaker 2: I mean when I was a kid, I would like
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  Speaker 2: we would sometimes have a babysitter come to our room
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  Speaker 2: from the hotel and like watch us for the night.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't know, I feel like I never went
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  Speaker 2: to any of the kids' clubs or anything, but I
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  Speaker 2: definitely feel like people do that.
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  Speaker 1: I know, maybe to do so much anymore.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I remember I was like at the careers I
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  Speaker 4: went on once, they had like a childcare thing and
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  Speaker 4: it was like overnight and.
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  Speaker 1: Stuff, and I was saying, I was like, oh, but
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  Speaker 1: people do it.
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  Speaker 3: I mean they definitely Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I was just like, wow, yeah, yeah, I don't che
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  Speaker 2: it overnight.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, to each their.
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  Speaker 4: Own, but yeah, that's right, yeah exactly.
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  Speaker 2: So the whole group were staying in the apartments at
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  Speaker 2: the resort that were called the Waterside Village, which were
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  Speaker 2: kind of at the perimeter of the Ocean Club resort.
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  Speaker 2: The mccans were in Apartment five A, which was a
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  Speaker 2: two bedroom apartment at the end of the block. Five
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  Speaker 2: A was on the ground level and it was located
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  Speaker 2: at the corner of two roads and I'm not even
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  Speaker 2: going to try to pronounce the two roads because they
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  Speaker 2: are like complicated Portuguese. But it was on the corner
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  Speaker 2: of two roads, and because of this, it was accessible
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  Speaker 2: from two different sides. The back patio of five A
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  Speaker 2: overlooked the pool, tennis courts, and restaurant at the resort,
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  Speaker 2: but that back patio was also accessible from a public street,
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  Speaker 2: so there was like a little gate and some steps
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  Speaker 2: that led from the street to the balcony, and then
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  Speaker 2: the balcony had access to the inside of the apartment
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  Speaker 2: through a sliding glass door, and then the front of
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  Speaker 2: five A was on the opposite side. So I know
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  Speaker 2: that this seems very detailed, but it is important. And
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  Speaker 2: just remember that the apartment was accessible from public streets.
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  Speaker 2: It was basically on the end of the block of
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  Speaker 2: the resort. So, as I mentioned, five A was a
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  Speaker 2: two bedroom apartment, so the kids all slept in one room,
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  Speaker 2: which had one bed where Madeline slept, and then an
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  Speaker 2: open space where they put the travel coots for the
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  Speaker 2: twins to sleep. The bed that Madeline slept in was
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  Speaker 2: next to the bedroom door, so if you were to
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  Speaker 2: open the door but not go into the bedroom, you
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't be able to see her bed from just opening
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  Speaker 2: up the door. And then there was a single bed
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  Speaker 2: that was basically across from Madeline's bed under the window,
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  Speaker 2: but no one was sleeping there. And then the window
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  Speaker 2: in the room is described to be about waist high
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  Speaker 2: and it had curtains on the inside and then a
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  Speaker 2: metal shutter.
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  Speaker 1: On the outside.
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  Speaker 2: The rest of the group were in other apartments next
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  Speaker 2: to the McCanns, so they were all at this resort
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  Speaker 2: and every day the adults would drop the kids off
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  Speaker 2: at the kids club in the morning while they went
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  Speaker 2: and did varying water sports and other activities. And they
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  Speaker 2: would pick the kids up for lunch and then do
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  Speaker 2: some family activities and then they would return the kids
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  Speaker 2: to the daycare in the late afternoon. In the evening,
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  Speaker 2: they would pick them up, put their kids to bed,
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  Speaker 2: and then they would head to the Tapas restaurant. And
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  Speaker 2: they did this every night. Hence why they were called
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  Speaker 2: the tap of Seven. And I know, I said nine adults. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I was wondering that. Yeah, so it is Kate and
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  Speaker 2: Jerry McCann plus the Tapa seven because this is something
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  Speaker 2: that the investigators named them as. So in the investigation.
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  Speaker 2: They're look, it's like to refer to this group of friends,
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  Speaker 2: you know, friends of the McCanns. They called them the
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  Speaker 2: Tapas seven.
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  Speaker 3: Interesting, Okay, So.
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  Speaker 2: This Tapas restaurant was visible from the McCanns apartments like
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  Speaker 2: back patio. But I'll explain a little bit more about
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  Speaker 2: that visibility in a little bit. While at dinner, the
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  Speaker 2: adults would basically alternate getting up to go check on
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  Speaker 2: the kids every twenty or so minutes. And I just
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  Speaker 2: want to kind of like let you take that in.
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  Speaker 2: So they would leave their sleeping children, who were all
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  Speaker 2: three or younger in their basically hotel rooms. They were apartments,
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  Speaker 2: but you know, basically a hotel room, and they would
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  Speaker 2: eat at a restaurant at the resort. Now, one couple
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  Speaker 2: the old fields did have a camera like a monitor.
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  Speaker 2: They had an eighteen month old and so maybe just
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  Speaker 2: because she was younger, they had this like high tech camera,
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  Speaker 2: and so they were the only ones that could physically
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  Speaker 2: see and hear their babies at all times. The rest
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  Speaker 2: of them would basically rely on these checks that would
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  Speaker 2: happen like every twenty minutes or so to ensure that
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  Speaker 2: their kids were okay. And it also seemed like not
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  Speaker 2: every check was done fully on each kid. It seemed like,
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  Speaker 2: for the most part, each check was done on that
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  Speaker 2: parent's children, and then they would kind of listen or
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  Speaker 2: briefly look in on the other kids. It doesn't seem
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  Speaker 2: like every single check was done on every single kid. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and so I I have a lot of like thoughts
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  Speaker 2: about this. I mean, obviously, knowing what happens, I would
• 12:32
  Speaker 2: never do this. I don't think I would ever leave
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  Speaker 2: my kids alone, first of all, But as three or younger,
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  Speaker 2: what if they like wake up choking or something, you
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  Speaker 2: wouldn't hear them. Exactly exactly what I was thinking, because
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  Speaker 2: I was like, anything could happen, never mind the fact
• 12:49
  Speaker 2: of what happens, Like, yeah, they could find a knife
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  Speaker 2: or you know, choke on their spit or you know,
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  Speaker 2: the younger one, like the eighth month all.
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  Speaker 4: Could like breathe into her own pillow and suffocate.
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  Speaker 2: You know, just crazy, right, Yeah, there's so much that
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  Speaker 2: could happen aside from a robber or some other fears
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  Speaker 2: that you might have. But just like the kids physically,
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  Speaker 2: their physical health, Like I just feel like anything could happen,
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  Speaker 2: Like if they wake up and you're not there, like
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  Speaker 2: that's terrifying. Yeah, exactly so, but that's what they chose
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  Speaker 2: to do, and to I just want to note there
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  Speaker 2: was a nighttime babysitting service where you would take your
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  Speaker 2: kids to probably the daycare, and they would watch them
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  Speaker 2: and then you could pick them up and bring them
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  Speaker 2: back to the room. But Madeline's mom explained that they
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  Speaker 2: didn't want to disrupt the kid's sleeping habits by having
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  Speaker 2: to pick them up, you know, wake them up, pick
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  Speaker 2: them up from the babysitting service, and bring them back.
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  Speaker 2: So they chose not to use that, and that was
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  Speaker 2: their personal choice. But I just cannot fathom that, but
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  Speaker 2: you know, to each their own, that's the choice that
• 13:57
  Speaker 2: they made, and it is what it is. So the
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  Speaker 2: restaurant was fifty five meters, which is one hundred and
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  Speaker 2: eighty feet straight shot from the apartment block. But that's
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  Speaker 2: straight shot. So to actually walk there through the resort,
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  Speaker 2: it was about eighty two meters or two hundred and
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  Speaker 2: ninety five feet. And I'm really bad with like directions
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  Speaker 2: and lengths and stuff. So that's about three football fields length,
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  Speaker 2: almost free football field's length. So it wasn't just you know,
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  Speaker 2: if you're in the other room or right next door,
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  Speaker 2: or on the patio outside. But this is like you
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  Speaker 2: have to walk a decent distance to get back. You
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  Speaker 2: can't just hop over.
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  Speaker 4: And if you did see someone coming in or out
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  Speaker 4: of I feel like you you wouldn't have enough time
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  Speaker 4: to get back. Yeahfore they escape and you're clueless, you know.
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  Speaker 4: Or if there was a fire that started, Oh.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, you know. It just yeah, too many possibilities. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: but like I said, to each their own. So the
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  Speaker 5: top of the of apartment five A was visible from
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  Speaker 5: the Tapas restaurant, but the actual doors to five A
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  Speaker 5: could not be seen. So they couldn't see the actual doors.
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  Speaker 2: So I'll and I'll post some of the photos of
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  Speaker 2: the apartment and the resort on our instagram, So if
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  Speaker 2: you want to go check those out while you're listening
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  Speaker 2: to help visualize this, then you can go look at those.
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  Speaker 2: I had to do that when I first heard this
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  Speaker 2: story because it's hard to imagine. So that will be
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  Speaker 2: on our instagram if you want to check that out.
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  Speaker 1: All right, So.
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  Speaker 2: That's the basics of how this vacation was going. So
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: now going to describe the day of May third, two
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: thousand and seven from police statements from the McCanns and
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: the top of seven and just what was being reported
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  Speaker 2: to the police. On the morning of May third, the
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  Speaker 2: McCanns took Madeline and the twins to the daycare as
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  Speaker 2: they always did, dropping them off around nine thirty, and
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  Speaker 2: then at twelve point thirty they picked them up for lunch,
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  Speaker 2: which they ate in their apartment. After lunch, they went
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  Speaker 2: to the resorts pool and this is where the last
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  Speaker 2: photo of Madeline was taken. She was wearing a peach top,
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  Speaker 2: white shorts and a sun hat and she was sitting
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  Speaker 2: with her dad and sister by the pool and Kate
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  Speaker 2: was the one who took this photo. At around three pm,
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  Speaker 2: they left the pool and took the kids back to
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  Speaker 2: the kid's club and then around five pm Kate picked
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  Speaker 2: them up. The kids nope, I can't speak today. Kate
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  Speaker 2: picked them up and brought them back to the apartment,
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  Speaker 2: and this was while Jerry was playing tennis. This pickup
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  Speaker 2: and bedtime was kind of a bit earlier than normal,
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  Speaker 2: but according to Kate and Jerry, the kids were extra
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  Speaker 2: tired that night, so they bathed them and then Jerry
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: returned to playing tennis, and Kate was with the kids
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  Speaker 2: and the families actually had been planning to have a
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  Speaker 2: little group playdate with the kids before they all went
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  Speaker 2: to bed, but because the McCann children were so tired,
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: Kate decided to not take Madeline and the twins to
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  Speaker 2: the playdate and just kind of spend some time with
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  Speaker 2: them as they're winding down. So around seven or seven fifteen,
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  Speaker 2: Kate put the kids to bed. Madeline was wearing a
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: short sleeve pink and white ere pajama set and she
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: had her comfort toy cuddle cat and a pink blanket
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  Speaker 2: with her in her bed.
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  Speaker 3: Stop. I know, that is so sad.
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  Speaker 4: I'm just visualizing it because I know what she looks like,
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  Speaker 4: and she's such a cute little girl, and she's got
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: these big old eyes and her ere just just so.
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  Speaker 1: Hard, I know, I know.
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  Speaker 2: So after they put the kids to bed, Kate and
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: Jerry got ready for dinner and they had a few
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: drinks at the apartment before they headed to the Tapas
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: restaurant at around eight thirty thirty five PM. And it
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: should be noted here that the patio doors of the
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: apartment could only be locked from the inside, so the
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: McCanns would often leave them closed but unlocked so that
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: they could let themselves in on that side of the apartment,
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: because that was the side of the apartment that was closer.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: To the tapist restaurant.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: So you're you're leaving the patio doors that are on
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: the back patio that can be accessed from a published road.
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so with your kids inside.
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's bad. That's bad parenting.
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: Maybe all the other stuff is you know, situational and
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: you know whatever, but that's not good practice.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: No, why I would never leave my kids alone in
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: an unlocked house if I wasn't right outside. Yeah, So anyway,
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: and then also something to note. The restaurant's message book
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: had a note that the same table at the top
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: restaurants should be blocked off every night from eight thirty
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: forward for these couples while their kids slept in the apartments.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: So it said in there that the kids were sleeping
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: in the apartments while they were there, and anyone realistically
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: could have seen this note. So this kind of just
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: a lot of people speculate that somebody might have seen
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: this and then took advantage of it.
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: What they should have done is they should have put
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: all the kids and one apartment asleep and then partied
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: in the apartment next door.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, or had one person stay with the kids all night.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: What about the grandmother, Like why is she there partying?
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: Like, get her button there to watch the kids?
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, eat, bring bring food back and eat at in
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: the back patio. Yeah, use the babysitting service.
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: Like so many options.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: There were options.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: There were so many options.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: So at eight fifty five pm, Matt Oldfield was the
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: first one to go check on the kids. So he
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: went to check on his baby and apartment five B,
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: which was next door to the mccans, and on his
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: way to his front door, he said that he listened
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: outside the window of five A and did not hear anything.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: So that was the check. Then, Jesus, what was that you.
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: Like jumped out of your skin and I saw that.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Dang, I'm pretty sure it was just Mackie of me.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: It's like, yat on the door. I might leave that in.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: That was like, okay, it's like too much true crime
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: to get to be scared, you know.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: Matt Oldfield listened in the window of five A, didn't
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: hear anything, and then he also went and checked on
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: the Panes, who were still in their apartment at the time,
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: So he just went to check on them and say, hey,
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: you comeing to dinner.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: You know, we're all We're all there.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: Then at nine oh five pm, it was Jerry McCann's
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: turn to check on the kids, so he entered five A,
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: stepped into the kid's room and he saw the twins
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: and Madeline all still asleep. And he explained later in
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: an interview how that night when he checked he kind
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: of stopped and looked at Madeline and thought about how
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: beautiful she looked, and then was looking at the twins
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: and just thought about how lucky they were with her
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: and the twins. And he said he doesn't know why
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: he stopped and did that, but it was just something
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: he remembered doing that wasn't normal necessarily.
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: So I've had moments like that before and then something
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: bad happened later.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So I believe you, I guess, trust your gut.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: On Jerry's way back to the tapest restaurant, he ran
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: into a British man named Jeremy Wilkins. And this was
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: a guy that was staying at the resort. A British
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: vacationer at the resort, and they had chatted before because
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: you know, they're all at the resort, and he was
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: walking his child around the resort and they stopped on
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: the narrow sloping path that was between the restaurant and
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: the apartment to chat. So the two talked for a
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: few minutes, and while this was happening, Jane Tanner decided
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: that she was going to go check on the kids,
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: and she walked past Jerry and Jeremy, and she recalls
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: walking past them, but neither Jeremy nor Jerry recalled seeing her,
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: which just is odd because the road was pretty narrow,
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: like it wasn't a big road or anything, it was
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: a pretty narrow area. And again I'll have a photo
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: of that on Instagram. But it just seems odd that
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: Jeremy and Jerry neither of them recalled seeing her. And
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Jeremy's like a third party. He's not even friends with them.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: He only knows them because they've all been staying at
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: the same resort. So just something to note.
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: And why would she be checking on them so quickly
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: after he checked on them, Like if it's twenty to
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: thirty men, I don't know, Yeah, it's kind unless she
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: felt the need to check on her kid.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know, so what I'll describe next is referred
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: to in the investigation as the Tanner sighting. Jane Tanner
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: said that while she was walking to check on the kids.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know if this is.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: Before or after she saw Jerry and Jeremy on the path,
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: but at some point she saw a man carrying a
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: child in the direction away from the bedroom window of
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Apartment five A. This was around nine to fifteen pm,
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: and she described the man as being five to seven
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: with dark hair.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: And light skin.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: She said that he looked to be thirty five to
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: forty years old and that he was wearing beige pants
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: and a dark jacket. She also described that the girl
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: that he was carrying looked to have been wearing light
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: pink pajamas and with a floral pattern and cuffs on
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: the legs, and this was similar to Madeleine's pajamas. But
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: at the time Jane Tanner didn't think much of it.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: You know, this is a family friendly resort. There were
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: many other families with their kids, so she checked on
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: her kids and returned to the restaurant around nine thirty pm.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: Kate mccannon got up to go check on her kids,
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: and at the same time, Matt Oldfield and Russell O'Brien
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: got up to check on their own kids. Now, remember
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: Russell O'Brien is Jane's partner, so it was kind of
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: odd that he wanted to go check on the kids
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: so soon after she wanted.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: To check on them.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: But they did later tell police that their daughter was
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: sick at the time, so you know, they wanted to
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: check more often. So that's why they were going.
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, or how about just stay home if your kid's sick.
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: It's not hard, Yeah, sacrifice gosh, stress out, so I know.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: So matt Oldfield offered to check on Maddie and the
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: twins since I guess he was gonna go anyway, So
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: Kate agreed and the two men left to go check.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: This time, matt Oldfield entered Apartment five A through the
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: unlocked back sliding door, and he stood at the doorway
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: to the bedroom, and he said he saw the twins sleeping,
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: but he did not enter the room to visibly see Madeline,
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: but he said he didn't hear anything, so he assumed
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: everything was fine.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: Now, I'm gonna describe another sighting of a man that night,
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: but this actually wasn't reported until May twenty sixth, about
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: three weeks after Madeline disappeared. This is called the smith
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: Siding because it is from Martin and Mary Smith, who
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: were other vacationers at the Ocean Club. The Smiths were
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: from Ireland and they were on vacation at Pria Deluge
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: and at the same time and around ten PM, they
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: were walking around and they saw a man about five
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: hundred yards away from Apartment A, walking away from the.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Ocean Club resort towards the beach.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: They described him as being somewhere between five seven and
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: five nine, with a slim to normal build and short
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: brown hair. They said that he was carrying a child,
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: and they noted that he looked uncomfortable carrying the child.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: The child looked to be three to four years old,
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: a girl wearing light colored pajamas and bare feet. They
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: said that she had blonde hair and pale skin. But
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: again at the time they didn't think anything of it
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: because family friendly resort. Even even if he looked uncomfortable,
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: that was just their opinion. And also if she was
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: like asleep, dead weight or something, it could be heavy,
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: you know. Like they didn't really think anything of it,
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: but after Madeline was reported missing and they started seeing
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: media reports about her, they remembered this sighting and they
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: did report it to the police.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: So back to the group.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: At ten pm, Kate mccannon got up to go do
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: her cheat on the kids. When she got to her
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: apartment and got to the bedroom, she noticed that the
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: door was open a bit more than how the her
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: and Jerry had left it. They always left it almost
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: all the way closed, but it was left kind of open,
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: but she just figured that maybe Matt, who was the
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: last one to check, had left it open more. After checking,
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: when Kate went to close the door some more, it
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: basically slammed shut because of what she assumed was a draft,
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: and when she opened it again, she noticed that Madeline
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: was not in her bed. So Kate saw Madeleine's cuttle
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: cat and pink blanket laying on the bed, but no Madeline.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: So she instantly checked in the master bedroom and the
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: rest of the apartment to see if maybe Madeline had
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: wandered out of her bedroom, but she couldn't find her,
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: so she ran back into the kid's room and that's
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: when she noticed that the curtains were flying a bit
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: and the window was fully open. She also noticed that
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: the shutters from the outside had been raised up all
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: the way and this wasn't normal. They wouldn't leave the
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: window open, so she immediately thought someone took Madeline, so.
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: They wouldn't leave the window open, but they would leave
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: the door open. M h Okay, I'm just clarifying. You know,
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: well the door was closed.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: It was, but it just wasn't locked, but it was closed.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: The window us and closed. Okay, yeah, all right, yep.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: So Kate ran back to the restaurant, leaving the twins
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: back in the apartment, which a lot of people criticize, saying,
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: if you had this reaction of somebody took Madeline, why
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: would you leave your babies in the apartment. But I
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: will say you never know what you would do, and
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: it might have just been an instinct like I need
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: to go get my husband, So I don't want to
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: judge that too much.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: So she ran back, got her husband and their friends,
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: telling them what happened, and apparently she was screaming something
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: like they've taken her or something like that, so she
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: immediately thought that Madeline was abducted. She wasn't thinking maybe
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: Madeline got up and walked off on her own, like
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: she was thinking she was abducted. From the start, that'd
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: probably be my first thought too. I don't know, you
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: think yeah, because I just I don't know. I know
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: how people are sick, and I would just.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: Think, yeah, that's true.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: So the group immediately started looking, and at ten thirty
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: the resort activated its missing child search protocol. At this point,
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: many pretty much assumed that Madeline had walked off, so
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: over sixty staff and guests started searching the resort for her.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: But obviously, no sign of Madeline was found that night,
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: so the investigation began, and from the start there were
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: a lot of doubts that the McCanns and the Top
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: of seven were telling the full truth. The Guarda Nacional
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: Republicana or the GNR, arrived at the Ocean Club around
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: eleven ten PM that night, and the GNR is actually
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: subject to military law and organization and they are described
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: as being responsible for preventative police and highway patrol in
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: ninety four percent of Portuguese territory. They also work in
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: coastal control, nature protection, and search and rescue operations. So
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: this was basically like the first level of police that
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: were called, so they searched the property when they arrived,
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: but after searching and finding nothing, they alerted the criminal police,
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: which are called the Police Judiciaria or the PJ. The
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: PJ arrived sometime between midnight and one am. There's varying reports,
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: but at two am two patrol police dogs were brought
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: to the resort, and then at eight am the next
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: morning for more more search and rescue dogs were brought in,
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: but after finding nothing at the resort, the police began
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: to search in the surrounding area, including the waterways, wells, caves, sewers.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Just you know, looking everywhere they could.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Despite this search effort, it is said by many that
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: the initial response and search was lacking, with many mistakes
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: being made. For example, neither the border nor the marine
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: police were contacted right away, so that could have allowed
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: for someone to possibly escape across borders with Madeline. Especially
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: in Europe, I feel like the borders are so close,
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: you know, it's hard to you know, in the States,
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: some of the states that like can be a long
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: way to get out of the state, but in Europe
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: it just feels like everything's so close, so that definitely was.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: A not good.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: They also did not begin house to house searches or
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: put any roadblocks in place until late the next morning.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: It also took Interpol five days to issue a global
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: missing person alert, which many think is way too long.
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, for a child, I would think that's kind of
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: long to wait.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: Again, especially in Europe.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: You know, going between states and the United States is
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: one thing, but there's still a federal the FBI like
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: oversees all the States, whereas in Europe you're going to
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: a totally different country for.
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: Like countrywide or not country like continent wide jurisdiction.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: Right, and like there's the EU, but it's it's different,
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: it's not quite the same. So yeah, I definitely think
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: the Interpol alert should have gone out sooner. So they
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: also did not secure the crime scene, so tons of
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: people were entering and leaving apartment five A before they
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: ever took DNA samples. And on that note, five A
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: was only empty for one month after Madeline disappeared, and
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: no real investigation of the apartment or bedroom was really done,
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: And there were actually two families that stayed in five
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: A after this incident before it was officially sealed off
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: In August two thousand and seven for forensic tests.
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: That's too late, there's no point, yeah exactly. I mean
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: there probably is significant. I would think significan significant, like
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: DNA fingerprints on the window, if that is the point
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: of entrance, that probably the other families weren't, you know,
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: touching the windowsill.
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: But still like that's too long.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Yep, agreed.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: So as far as the investigation, the Portuguese police are
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: running it, and the British police were doing some here
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: and there, but technically this was you know, what happened
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: in Portugal, So the Portuguese police, we're running it. So
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: this is where gone callo Amarole comes in. And if
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: you've heard anything about this case, you've probably heard about
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: Gouncalo amaral Andrea's making a face right now because yep.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: So he was the head of the PJ in port
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: To Mao I think is how you say it, But
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: that could be wrong, but that was a nearby town
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: and he became the lead investigator in this case.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: The PJ named.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: Their first suspect just twelve days after Madeline disappeared, and
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: in Portuguese suspect is arguido and that's how it's referred
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: to throughout the media and like around the world, so
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: that's how I'll refer to them. So the first arguido
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: was a man named Robert Morat, and Morat was originally
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: from Hammersmith, West London, but he was recently living in
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: his mother's house in Priya Deluge, and this house was
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: located about one hundred and fifty yards from Apartment five A.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: When the case broke, Maratt offered to help the PJ
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: as an interpreter since he spoke both English and Portuguese,
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: and he later reported that he wanted to help because
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: he had a daughter back in England that was around
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: the same age as Madeline, so he was wanting to
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: help out with the investigation to help find her. So
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: he was helping police, but a journalist from the Sunday Mirror,
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: which is a British newspaper, reported to police that Marat
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: had been acting odd surrounding the case. And I found
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: differing reports of exactly what was said, And I'm not
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: one hundred percent sure that this was the only thing
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: that led them to name him as a suspect, but
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: it definitely to me doesn't seem like they had a
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: ton of evidence right off the bat to name him,
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: but there might have been something I'm missing there. But
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: with that, the PJ named him an arguido. Murratt claimed
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: that he was home with his mother the entire evening
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: of May third, but three of the McCann's friend group,
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: along with a resort nanny and two other British vacationers,
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: all said that they had seen him around Apartment five
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: a shortly after Madeline disappeared. His house was also in
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: the direction that Jane Tanner had reported seeing the man
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: carrying a child walking in, so he became suspicious of him.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: Police searched his home, including draining his pool and searching
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: his garden using ground radar and search dogs. They also
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: searched his cars, computers, phones, and questioned two of his associates,
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: and he quickly became widely known as a suspect.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: In March two.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: Thousand and eight, one of his associates even had their
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: car set on fire and the word falla, which means
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: speak in English, was sprayed onto the pavement in front
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: of it. So you know, people really thought that he
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: was the one that did something.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: However, police could.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: Find nothing, and I mean nothing to link Marat to
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: Madeleine's disappearance. So on July twenty first, two thousand and eight,
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: Marat's Our Guido status was lifted and he actually ended
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: up receiving six hundred thousand pounds for a libel lawsuit.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: Is that how you say it? Libel?
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: Like they're liable?
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: No, it's like libel, like uh, slander and libel no idea.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: No, it's not liberal. It's definitely not libal. I think
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: it's liable.
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: I'm not familiar with that word. That must have I
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: must have skipped.
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: School that day when they taught that.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: Well, it's like a law word, and I know I
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: learned it in my business law class, but that was
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: also years ago and when I was studying abroad in Italy,
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: so like I definitely didn't learn anything.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know, I think it's liable.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: Okay, But either way a lawsuit he won. It's basically
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: when people say things about you that aren't true, right,
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: like slander. Yeah, so he was no longer a suspect.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: Now I'm gonna talk. We're gonna go like back in
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: time a little bit, and this is gonna be talking
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: about when Kate and Jerry McCann became Arcuidos. So there
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: was a lot of speculation that developed due to the
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: media coverage things being reported about the McCann and I'm
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: gonna mention some of that speculation here, but please know
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: that this was never actually proven. So the main one
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: was the theory that the McCanns had been sedating their
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: children to get them to sleep while they were out
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: at dinner. People believed that they had accidentally given Madeline
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: too much and she passed away, and they were trying
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: to cover it up sedating them with what, I don't know,
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: just like a sleeping medication or even benadryl or something,
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: just to get them to sleep. And with this theory,
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: a lot of people believe that the statements from the
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: top of seven were fabricated, some even believing that Jane
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: Tanner's sighting was completely made up. There were also some
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: red flags and inconsistencies in the McCanns statements. When Jerry
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: first spoke to the PJ, he claimed that he had
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: entered through the locked front door during his check, but
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: then in a second interview he did six days later,
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: he claimed that he entered through the unlocked back patio door.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: And you know they expect some inconsistencies between statements, especially
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: in such a high stress time, But that is such
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: a big one. I feel like.
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: To not remember what door you went into unless he
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: was like wasted or something like.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: You should be.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: Able to remember what door. Yeah, you would, that's my
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: thought too.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: The next issue was about the metal shutter that was
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: on the outside of the bedroom window. Kate claimed that
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: the window and shutter were both closed when they put
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: the kids to bed, but they were both open when
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: she discovered matal and missing. Jerry said that after they
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: discovered Madaline missing, he went to look at the shutter
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: and he said that he discovered it could only be
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: raised up from the outside, not the inside. But the
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: PJ claimed that it could only be raised from the
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: inside and said that if you were to raise it
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: from the outside, you had to use force, and there
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: was no sign of forest entry. So just some inconsistent
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: that made people suspicious. In July two thousand and seven,
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: two British search dogs went to apartment five. A Kila
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: was a CSI dog trained to alert to human blood
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: and or human blood scent, and Eddie was a cadaver
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: dog trained to alert to the scent of human remains,
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: so they searched the apartment. They also searched a nearby
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: wasteland and the beach, but that only or I cannot speak.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: They only alerted in the apartment, both of them both. Yeah,
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: so both dogs alerted behind the sofa in the living
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: room and Eddie, the cadaver dog, alerted near the wardrobe
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: in the main bedroom. So after these alerts, the PJ
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: sealed off and searched the apartment on August second. So
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: before this, not only had people gone in and out,
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: you know, right after Madeline disappeared, but people had actually
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: stayed there. Other families had actually stayed there.
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: So when they sealed it off again, they searched it
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: and the dogs actually returned, and the only alert came
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: from Eddie. In the second search. Eddie was the cadaver dog,
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: and he alerted to Cuddlecat who was laying in the
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: living room. He also alerted to a box of clothes
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: that was taken that belonged to the McCanns. So people
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: were speculating that, you know, there was something on the clothes.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: And I didn't write this down, but I did hear
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: in a couple of places that somebody close to the
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: McCann's attorney or something said that they're saying that maybe
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: the human remains sent on Kate's clothing could be because
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: she's a doctor, but she's a general practitioner.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: She's not like even a surgeon.
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: A little yeah.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: The McCanns, who were staying in Portugal during all of this,
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: ended up renting a car three weeks after Madeline disappeared.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: On August sixth, Kila and Eddie were both taken to
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: search among ten different cars, which included both the mccan's
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: rental car and Robert Murrat's car, because at this time
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: Murratt was still a suspect. So in this search, Eddie,
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: the cadaver dog, alerted to the McCann's car outside of
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: the driver's side door, and then Keela alerted to the
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: trunk of the car on the passenger side, and then
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: also alerted to the little map compartment in the driver's door,
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: and there was a key ring in there, so they
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: took the key ring out and put it somewhere else,
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: and she also alerted to the key ring when it
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: was placed elsewhere.
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: But they didn't rent this car until three weeks after
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: she went missing. Correct, either there's a lot of killing
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: going on in Portugal or yeah, that's interesting, okay.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: So all of the inconsistencies in the statements and then
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: these from the K nine searches led the PJA to
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: believe that Madeline was not abducted. So they now believed
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: that she had died inside of five a, possibly.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: Due to an accident.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: So on September seventh, two thousand and seven, the McCanns
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: were officially given our Guido status.
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: A British crime lab called the Forensic Science Service in
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: Birmingham received the DNA samples from where the dogs had alerted.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: The sample from the car truck came back as matching
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: fifteen of nineteen of Madeline's DNA components, but they said
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: that this result was basically too complex to say definitively
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: that it was a match, and they also said that
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: the sample had at least three contributors that could have
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: made it a match.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: So they basically said, like, this could be.
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: A match, or it just could be a chance match,
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: Like it's not definitive at all. And remember, like you
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: just said, this vehicle not rented until three weeks after
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: Madeleine disappeared. Over three weeks after she disappeared. So if
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: the dogs were correct to alerting to human remains and
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: or blood, and if that was related to the McCanns,
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: it would mean that they at some point moved Madeleine's body. Yeah,
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: so it just leads to a lot of questions. Definitely suspicious, but.
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, circumstantial though.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: Yes, after this there were leaks about all of this
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: in the media that came directly from the Portuguese police,
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: indicating that the McCanns had transported Madeline's body in the car.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: This was never actually confirmed by the lab that conducted
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: the test, though. Two days after being named Arquidos, the
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: McCanns returned to England. When they got off the plane,
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: they were carrying the twins and they said to all
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: the reporters that were there, quote, whilst it is heartbreaking
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: to return to the UK without Madeline, does not mean
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: we are giving up our search. As parents, we cannot
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: give up on our daughter until we know what has happened.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: So their return was broadcasted across probably across the world, honestly,
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: and Jerry got off the plane carrying his son in
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: his arms. And when Martin Smith saw this, on TV.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: It sparked something in his memory. So if you remember,
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: Martin and Mary Smith saw a man carrying a child
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: toward the beach at ten pm, and when Martin saw
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: Jerry McCann carrying his son, he was like, that's the
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: same man I saw carrying a child that night. So
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: he actually went and reported this to the Leicestershire Police,
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: but it was later debunked because multiple witnesses placed Jerry
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: McCann at the Topest restaurant at ten pm, so unfortunately
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: that didn't confirm anything. Okay, And this is one thing
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: that's related to the drug slash sedative theory and I'm
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: not really sure where to add this, so I'm just
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: going to add it in here because it kind of
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: makes sense with the timeline. On September twenty fourth, two
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: thousand and seven, after the McCanns were named suspects, a
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: British security company in the UK called Control Risks actually
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: took samples of the twins' hair to test for any drugs.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: And this was actually upon the family's request because Kate
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: mentioned that she was concerned that the abductors may have
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: given them sedatives, and she especially thought this because the
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: twins slept through all of the commotion in the apartment
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: after Madeline disappeared. So they took these samples and the
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: test came back with no trace of drugs. But remember
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: this was over four months after Madeline disappeared, and it
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: has been reported that hair testing can be really far out. Yeah,
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: but there's never been or I couldn't find anything proven
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: that it for sure would show up this far out.
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: I was gonna say, I don't think all drugs will
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: show up in your hair exactly.
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: So if it was like.
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: Benadrill or what other sedatives, I don't even know that
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: you would give a kid like safely quote unquote right.
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: But I was wondering that too, because like, if I
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: was to wake Manny up in the middle of the night,
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: he would be like alert, he would be probably crying,
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: especially if it was a stranger taking him off somewhere.
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: He wouldn't just be laid out. Like. It's weird that
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: the people that saw the child with this person, this suspect,
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: this man, like they didn't notice that she was awake
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: or crying or anything.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: So I think that's why some people think that she
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: was maybe drugged.
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes the most sense.
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: On July twenty first, two thousand and eight, the same
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: day that Robert moretz Our Guido status was lifted, the
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: Portuguese Attorney General announced that there was no evidence to
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: link them Cans to Madaline's disappearance, and their Guido status.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: Was officially lifted.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: Days later, the case files about Madeline's disappearance were released.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: The prosecutor's report was concluded with quote, no element of
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: proof whatsoever was found, which allows us to form any lucid, sensible,
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: serious and honest conclusion about the circumstances. So they're basically saying,
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: we have no clue what happened, but we have no
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: evidence to link the McCanns, so they're not suitable.
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: For anyone else.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So going back just a little bit too before this.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: In October two thousand and seven, Goncalo Amaral our wonderful friend.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: He was the lead investigator, and he was doing some
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: sketchy shit, and that's honestly the best way to describe it.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: He had told a newspaper that the British police were
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: only following leads that helped the McCanns, and he just
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: was not acting like a lead investigator should. Now, one
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: day after Madeline disappeared, Amarol was actually named and our
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: guido in another disappearance.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: Of a young girl in Portugal. Wow.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: So yeah, the investigator into the disappearance of Madeline was
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: named a suspect in another disappearance. So this was a
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: girl named Joanna Cipriano, and she disappeared in two thousand
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: and four from a town that was seven miles away
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: from Pria Deluge. Her mother and her uncle actually confessed
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: and they were convicted of murder, but her mother retracted
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: her confession and said that she had been beaten by
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: police to confess.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: Guncalo Amarole was not present during the mother's interrogation, but
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: he was accused of covering up for others. The month
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: after Madeleine's disappearance, Amarol was charged with making a false
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: statement and then later in May two thousand and nine,
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: he was convicted of perjury and received an eighteen month
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: suspended sentence.
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: That's terrible.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: So because of all of this, in October two thousand
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: and seven, he was removed from his post as lead
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: investigator on Madeleine's dis appearance.
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: He was transferred to the.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: PJ in a different town, and he actually ended up
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: resigning in June two thousand and eight altogether, and he
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: wrote a book, wrote and published a book called Maddie
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: The Truth of the Lie. So in this book he
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: alleged that Madeline had died in the apartment and that
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: the McCanns had faked an abduction to cover it up.
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: By November two thousand and eight, it had sold one
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: hundred and eighty thousand copies, and then a documentary based
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: on his book was broadcast in Portugal in April two
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: thousand and nine. So the McCanns sought legal action against
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: Amaral and his publisher, against both him and his publisher,
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: and they were actually awarded six hundred thousand pounds in
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: twenty fifteen. However, in twenty sixteen, Amaral appealed and the
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: appeal was granted, and then the McCanns appealed this decision
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: to the Portugal Supreme Court, but the court ruled against
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: them in February twenty seventeen, and then their final appeal
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: was rejected in March twenty seventeen. And this was all
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: after they were officially like their arguido status was taken away.
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: So that's what happened with Goncalo Amaral, so with him
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: being transferred in October two thousand and seven, the deputy
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: National director of the PJ, Paolo Rebel. It's probably not
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: how you say it, but what rebel. He became the
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: new lead investigator. So not long after, the Top of
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: seven were interviewed once again by the Leicestershire Police in
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: England and the PJ was in attendance. But the PJ
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: just seemed to be a bit of a mess. During
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: this time they were investigating several charges against the McCanns
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: and they also had issues where like transcripts of interviews
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: they did were leaked. The national director of the PJ
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: ended up stepping down citing media pressure. They were just
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: a mess.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: Sounds like it, yeah.
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: And then, as I mentioned a little bit ago, in
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: July two thousand and eight, the investigation into the McCanns
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: and Madeleine's disappearance was closed. So after they were taken
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: off of our Guido status in two thousand and eight,
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: the McCanns returned their focus to finding out what happened
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: to Madeline. The family had set up Madeline's fund in
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: two thousand and seven, and in the year after Madeline disappeared.
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: The fund received almost two million pounds in donations. The
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: fund hired several private investigation firms, but nothing really ever
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: came from most of those. In two thousand and eight,
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: the fund hired Oakley International, which was a Washington, d
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: C registered detective agency. This operation was led by Henry Exton,
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: who was a former British police officer with mi I five.
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: The team on this operation went to Portugal to investigate,
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: and they were particularly focusing on the Smith sighting. In
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: the conclusion of their investigation, Exton suggested that they released
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: the e fits, which are basically the electronic images that
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: were created of the man that the saw. So he
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: suggested they release the efits to the police. However, the
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: Madelin Fund decided these should remain confidential. The fund did
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: pass the efits to both the PJ and the Leicestershire
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: Police in October two thousand and nine, but otherwise did
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: not release them. So up until this point, a full
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: on British investigation into Madeline's disappearance hadn't happened. It had
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: pretty much all been done by the PJ in Portugal
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: and then some investigation by PIS in two thousand and nine,
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: the British Home Secretary Alan Johnson met with the McCanns
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: on their request a review of the case. Jim Gamble,
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: who at the time was the head of the Child
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: Exploitation and Online Protection Center in England, created a report
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: for the Home Secretary Alan Johnson on the current status
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: of the investigation in England. So Gamble's report discovered that
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: nine different British agencies had been involved at some point
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: in some way way in the search for Madeline, but
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: that there was an extreme lack of coordination between them.
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: He recommended a renewed cooperation be developed between the British
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: and the Portuguese so that they could properly exchange information
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: and work together to find Madeline. In twenty eleven, this
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: led to the Scotland Yard to open an investigation. Now,
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: the Scotland Yard is the head of the Metropolitan Police
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: Metropolitan Police in London who are responsible for policing the
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: thirty two boroughs of the city. So under the new
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: Home Secretary in England, Theresa May, the Scotland Yard launched
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: their investigative review into Madeline's disappearance and the investigation into
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: it by the British. So they're basically looking into what
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: the British did and then trying to work with the
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: Portuguese police to turn this into a proper investigation. So
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: this was called Operation Grange, I think, and it was
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: a team of twenty nine detectives and eight civilians. So
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: at this point it had been about four years since
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: Madeline disappeared, and the hope was that the Scotland Yard
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: Inquiry would bring more coordination and renewed efforts to find Madeline.
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: But to hear about that, you will have to tune
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: in to Part two. Oh, I didn't tell you I
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: was gonna do Part two because I wanted you to
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: be surprised, like our listeners. Yes, yeah, so I wasn't
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: going to make this two parts, But while I was
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: doing my research, I just realized how much there is
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: and I really wanted to include all of the details.
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: And it's also like there's so much that has happened
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: that I wanted to include it all.
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: Right, So Part two will come.
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: Out on Monday, and that will cover the Scotland Yards
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: investigation and some really interesting stuff came out of that,
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: and then it'll all lead up to things we've learned
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: in the last two years and last week, right, Okay,
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: so that is the first part of the case of
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: Madeline McCann.
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: I know it was a lot, but.
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: I hope that I was able to walk through it
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: in a clear way hopefully.
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you did really good.
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: Awesome.
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: If you guys want to see photos and stuff like that,
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  Speaker 2: that will all be on our Instagram at Inhuman Underscore
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  Speaker 2: podcast and I'll also post it on our Facebook page
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  Speaker 2: which is Inhuman a true crime podcast, so you can
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  Speaker 2: go on.
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  Speaker 1: There and see it and comment on it and stuff.
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  Speaker 2: As I mentioned at the beginning of the episode, if
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  Speaker 2: do you have anything else to say?
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  Speaker 4: No, no, I don't think so.
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  Speaker 2: All right, well, thank you guys so much for listening,
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  Speaker 2: and we will see you on Monday with part two
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  Speaker 2: of the Disappearance of Madeline McCann and until then, keep
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  Speaker 2: it human.
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  Speaker 4: Bye.
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  Speaker 5: I