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#285 - For Azeroth!: “PrePatch Preening” · For Azeroth!: A World of Warcraft Podcast

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  From now on, for me, LFR will stand for Lex Forken.
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  So in my head, I was trying to think of like, how to get Lex
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  rance to have the same syllables as America.
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  So I could be like lex rance. Hell yeah.
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  This is going to be Lex Forken Rance.
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  For calendar. To the burning region for
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  Gilneus, or have not died for the Lich King for the Sindora.
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  For the Alliance for. The horn for.
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  Azeroth. Hello and welcome to another
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  episode of For Azeroth. My name is Manny AKA the trivial
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  Manny and I am joined by the ever smiling recruit, a friend,
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  Sean. Sean, how are you doing this
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  week? Manny, I'm doing quite well.
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  I've noticed that you introduced me first a lot and it's giving
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  me a complex, but next week can we introduce anybody else other
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  than me first? I'm pretty sure I introduced
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  myself first and one of you 2 second or third.
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  Oh, I guess technically, yeah, that's right.
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  You do. I'm wrong.
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  I don't like being second. I'd like.
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  OK, we'll come back to you then. OK.
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  Lex hello to you my other Co host.
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  How is the way work has been treating you?
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  Well, the World of Warcraft has been treating me great.
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  It is also, by the way, this is significantly more important for
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  everyone to listen up. It is Leo season as of like two
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  days ago. And I'm a double Leo.
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  So I'm having the time of my life.
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  It is, it is the, the, the year of the sun, by which I mean
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  month. But yeah, so I'm boppin.
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  I haven't been able to be in the, the, the pre patch yet, but
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  I will be tonight probably. So we're very excited.
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  And also, more importantly, it's Leo season.
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  You haven't been introduced yet. Put your hand down, Sean.
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  Yeah. You can't say anything.
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  You have to remember last week when it's like, I guess we
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  should be nicer than ready. I can't say anything.
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  I have been. Introduced yet?
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  You got to wait till you're introduced by me.
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  OK, Sean. I don't mind being introduced
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  second, by the way. John, as as you requested, we
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  now introduce you. So what's your name and what do
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  you do this week? Who is your daddy and what does
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  he do? I have a question.
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  Relax. What?
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  How? What does double Leo mean?
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  If you're not now, I am not asking this, I'm asking this
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  sort of genuine curiosity and ignorance because I didn't
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  realize you could have two Zodiac signs.
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  I thought you only had one based on the day you were.
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  Born. I think I know this.
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  OK, yeah, man, let's give it a try.
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  OK. So you have your primary sign
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  and then you have your like sign that affects you.
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  So it's like Leo plus Leo rising or something like that?
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  Something like that. So so if you get deep into.
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  Astrology. Which I So what do you have a
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  whole chart? You have a whole chart of what
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  sign all of your different planets were in.
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  But often you'll hear references to the big three, which is your
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  sun, which has many referred to as your main sign, your sun,
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  your moon and your rising. So congratulate.
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  Actually, maybe the fact that you remembered rising, I thought
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  was very cool. 10 out of 10 man knows astrology and those are
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  often considered the signs that are like the most important to
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  your personality. And I will, I'm sure got some
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  hate for this because like your whole chart is really important
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  in different ways because the way that you know, different
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  planets align with different things effects all sorts of
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  aspects of your personality. But again, if we go to the big
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  three, I might be misremembering this a little bit, but the way
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  it was taught to me is that your son is how you present yourself
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  to your to the world. The moon is how you were like a
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  process emotionally basically, and your rising is how you
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  actually are internally. So I am a Leo the sun and I'm
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  also a Leo rising which I think is very funny and I'm an Aries
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  moon which is another fire so my full chart is 3 fires which I
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  explains nothing about my personality I.
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  Have a question, What does fire mean?
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  OK. Like I understand fire the
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  concert. We're going real deep here, all
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  right? You said these are so at first
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  we were like, I'm a double Leo. That's fire.
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  I was like I was that that's hip talk for it's cool, but it's
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  not. It's not what you mean it is.
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  Also it is also hip talk for being cool.
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  So what does fire mean? But we're gonna move forward
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  into actual Warcraft after this, yeah.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. OK, so I won't get two in the
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  weaves, but basically there are four different ways.
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  There's a lot of different ways that signs can be could like
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  grouped, but the main one is usually the element they're
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  grouped by. So there's fire, earth, air, and
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  water. Obviously fire signs are
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  notoriously like very like high energy and the spotlight it's it
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  is kind of like cliche to the point that it's a little
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  humorous. Fire signs are fiery, water
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  signs are emotional, the air signs are like airy and earth
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  signs are grounded. It's more complicated than that.
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  If anyone who listens to the show, like gets into astrology,
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  they're going to make fun of me on Twitter and I I welcome that
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  I deserve to be made fun of on Twitter for this.
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  This is the worst job of explaining astrology that I've
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  ever done in my life. And also I'm not very good at
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  astrology, but in essence, I am. I am.
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  All of my big three are fire signs, which is a very like in
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  your face sort of sign, which means that I'm very fiery.
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  I got to say, astrology seems like it's way off because none
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  of those, none of those descriptors match your
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  personality at all. Thank you.
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  That's what I was saying. OK, separately though, you said
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  we were going to go on, but I just need to know.
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  Can you get a force sign? I just need to know if I can
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  avatar this shit. Just get all four hours.
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  You so Manny, you almost certainly have every single
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  element in your. The chart itself is huge and it
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  has includes every single planet at the very, it also includes
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  obviously the sun and the moon, every single planet in the solar
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  system. I think that's, I think that
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  there's nothing like I'm trying to think of.
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  There's other celestial bodies, but I don't think there are.
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  So you have a lot of signs and they all, if you get into the
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  nitty gritty, like every planet effects you in different ways.
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  So like people, when you hear people say things like Mercury's
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  in retrograde, I don't really fully understand retrograde, but
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  Mercury affects the way that you like.
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  I think it's like logic and like how you think about the world.
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  And so if Mercury's in retrograde, then you're not
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  going to be logical. I think I got that wrong.
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  I'm going to get made fun of on Twitter.
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  I know I'm going to get made fun of on Twitter.
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  I know this. It's OK, but I I know we're
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  going to get other hate for people being like oh you went on
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  this for so long but come on guys.
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  We talk about a a game where a faction I randomly chose 20
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  years ago affects me today. So I guess we could do planetary
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  alignment for a bit, but I think at this point we're going to cut
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  it short. We're going to get into the
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  news. John, you, you look like you're
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  about to say something or try to smile again.
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  Either way, let's. On to Warcraft now.
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  OK, so Lex, how about Actually, I'm going to throw this to Sean.
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  Sean, we have some big breaking news at the top of the show.
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  Start us off with the news from Team 2.
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  Yeah, huge news. Everybody at Team Two is a
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  double Leo and they're all fire. Wild stuff.
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  No, that's that's not the news. It was crazy news.
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  Team Two, which is the Warcraft development team, the entirety
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  of Team Two unionized. Once they got through with the
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  Warcraft or with the Microsoft merger, there was something that
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  made it easier to unionize. There was some like.
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  Non interference clause. That's it.
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  Yeah. So they unionized and it's like,
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  I think it's, I want to say it's unprecedented for it was almost
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  600 employees, like the literally the entire Warcraft
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  team, all the developers, designers, engineers, artists,
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  quality assurance testers, which is huge for them.
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  And separately, 60 other Blizzard QA testers in Austin,
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  TX also unionized at the same time, and they chose the the
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  coolest union name I think I've ever heard, which is the World
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  of Warcraft Game Makers Guild. And I so desperately want to be
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  in this Guild. I am.
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  I'm pumped. Go ahead.
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  They abbreviated it to Wow GG which I am in love with.
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  Yeah, yeah, Big fan, big big fan devs, current devs and past devs
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  have been catching a lot of strays and some not so stray
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  more direct shots on Twitter in the last week or two from quote
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  UN quote fans. And that's frustrating to read.
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  But seeing this news come down the pipe, it's just it's sort of
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  like a salve for that. It washes away some of the taste
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  of that. And it's just such good news
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  across the board. These people make a game that we
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  all love far too much. If you're listening to a podcast
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  about this game, you enjoy it far too much though.
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  It's good that they are protected and hopefully this
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  helps to avoid any major layoffs in the future and hopefully
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  increases their pay because there's long been a stigma of
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  sort of that Blizzard pays less because it's more of a
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  prestigious thing and the people who work there want to work
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  there because they love it. I don't know if that's still the
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  case, but I know that was the case for a long time.
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  I think that's the case in in games in general is kind of my
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  take my my understanding. I should say that you're paid in
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  cool to some degree. It's it's true that switching
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  from gaming to anything else in the in tech sector, you
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  typically would make more. It's also true that Blizzard has
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  notoriously leveraged its name. And the fact that you get that
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  into your portfolio, slash your CV to like pay people less.
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  Like, you know, they're like, Oh yeah, passion and like you know,
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  passion is so great when you're trying to keep the lights on.
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  But you're right, John, this is a big thing.
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  It is not the 1st wall to wall. We actually had that earlier
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  last month. The 1st wall to wall union for
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  studio happened in Europe. It is huge that it is a cross
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  disciplinary union that is amazing.
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  It is not the first Activision Blizzard union, but it is great
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  that they're that they're doing this right there alongside, of
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  course, the Texas Blizzard QA, which is the Austin, TX.
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  You're saying this is like nearly 600 people.
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  It's it's over 500 at the game makers Guild.
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  It is another sixty in Austin, TX.
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  You put that together with the Raven Studios.
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  That was about 100. This is fantastic and I, I'm so
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  happy to see this. I do want to say that
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  considering what we've seen with the industry lately with so many
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  layoffs, including the Blizzard team getting rocked, it is good
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  to see that. I, I when we saw those lay those
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  layoffs, I was a bit concerned. And Lex, every week you've been
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  saying, I'm hoping these guys aren't working themselves to
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  death and being able to negotiate for like better work
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  life balance is something that you can do.
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  So really, really happy about this news.
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  Yeah, it's, it's really exciting.
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  It's exciting especially given the conversations we've been
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  having for such a long time, especially since the lawsuit
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  about the conditions of Lizard and it it does, I shouldn't say
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  even before this, it did sound like things are getting better,
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  but the layoffs are very reasonably scary.
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  The the industry as a whole has been really tumultuous.
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  And so to know that they have this sort of collective
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  bargaining agreement is it it makes it easier, I think for me
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  to play the game and feel happy with that because I did always
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  kind of have in that my back pocket that like.
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  Oh. Goodness, like the reason I said
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  every week, like I hope I'm a little worried about the crunch
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  going on here. And so to know that there
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  there's the, they have that union and they have that
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  organization is exciting and empowering there.
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  You go Lex is not feeding off of exploitation anymore.
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  That said, I think that kind of flows into the next the next
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  story because the next story is about the pre patch.
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  And so, Lex, I'm going to let you take this, and then I'm
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  going to explain what in the world I'm talking about.
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  Not only is the next story about the pre patch, the next story is
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  the pre patch. The pre patch is live.
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  Dragonfly is flying. We the the war.
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  It's within besties. We finally have the pre patch
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  out. It was extended a few times.
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  It ended around 10:00 PM PST last night, which is the 23rd.
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  For those of you who are listening to this podcast like a
• 14:10
  podcast, they're AKA or not as we do it.
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  We all. Raids are now awakened, the
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  mythic farack mount is guaranteed drop.
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  Keystone dungeons are available. Keystone mastery and portals are
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  still attainable. We have 26 days of Wow remix as
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  of today, which is the 24th in case you couldn't do the math
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  from yesterday being the 23rd there.
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  There were a couple hiccups. The Warbank is currently
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  disabled and like we, like I said it, maintenance product
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  extended a few times. So there's clearly a lot of
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  stuff going on. And my understanding is I, like
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  I said at the beginning of the show, I haven't been able to be
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  in to play it yet. But my understanding is that
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  right now we are in the phase that is heavily just mechanical,
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  right? It's war bank or war bands, it's
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  dragon riding on other mounts. It's things like that.
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  And then we're going to move into the story phase next week.
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  Yeah, which which is big. So you haven't had a chance to
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  play. I'm hoping you get to play after
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  this, but I've I've jumped in and Sean, have you had a chance
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  to? Play.
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  Yeah, you watched me all afternoon.
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  So that was your first moment. Take us through, get through
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  that. That was yeah, but I didn't,
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  obviously I didn't log in yesterday.
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  Going live at 10:00 AM or 10:00 PM Pacific means it was 2:00 AM
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  for me. I was long in dreamland at that
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  point. So I gave it the night, gave it
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  a bit this morning. I logged in around noon my time
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  so 8 hours or so after it had been live.
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  Give all of the add on developers a lot of time get
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  their patches out their updates out and I logged in and 10 out
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  of 10 so I had a great experience.
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  My login all of my add-ons when I logged in right away were like
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  rocking. There were other than one that
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  is never up to date. I'm looking at you better
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  wardrobes and trans mug. But everything worked fine.
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  I had no major bugs, all my stuff was good and it's nice
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  having this week. So there's no, the event itself
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  isn't live yet that doesn't go live till the 30th.
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  But having this week to sort of familiarize yourself with what
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  war bans are and and what you can do.
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  Even though we don't have war banks yet because they are
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  currently not functioning. So they're disabled.
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  But we do have other features like the unlockable transmog for
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  different armor types, which is fun.
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  I did some of that this afternoon and the big winner and
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  I gotta say this is special shout out to Epidem from the for
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  Azeroth discord. He's a long time listener, big
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  fan, probably the number one fan in our hearts.
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  I think it's it's safe to say that I think without any
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  clarification or overriding of that statement, but he pointed
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  out in the four hours right discord that you could join at
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  bit dot LY slash fast Discord that the the low key secret like
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  big winner of war bands is the currency transfer device where
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  you can transfer items. And there's things on there that
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  we're able to transfer to consolidate all on one character
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  that we didn't know we were going to be able to.
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  Some of the things like Duckman fair tickets or your your time
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  Warped badges. So that for me, I spent a bit of
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  time this afternoon just like converting everything all to 1
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  character. And I'm really looking forward
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  to the War Banks opening. But I can do that same thing
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  with gold, but I can roll around in it like Scrooge Mcduck.
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  Speaking of your war bands, if you are having a great time
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  getting your entire crew fitted out and putting them all around
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  or their little fire and being happy and excited.
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  We are currently running a contest on the Four As Broth
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  Twitter, which you can find at FAV Podcast, where you can send
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  us a screenshot or you can reply to our tweet with a screenshot
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  of your war band and the war band with the most likes at the
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  end of the week. So the contest ends on the 31st.
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  We're announcing a winner on Friday, August 2nd.
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  The person with the most likes will get a Storm Scale
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  Incinerator and the person with the second most likes will get
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  Mischief, the Little Kitty cat. So pop on over to the Faraz Roth
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  Twitter and show us your guys. OK, OK.
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  I think that's pretty much where I started.
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  I was like, OK, I'm gonna create the.
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  I'm gonna like go in sort out all the stuff that I wanted to
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  because I had the night before the eve of the pre patch, been
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  getting all my my bank cleared out and in my bags.
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  I had a bunch of the transmog from like a couple of raids and
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  stuff that I had got on one character.
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  But because of the new way that the war bands works, I would
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  then unlock the transmog everywhere else.
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  So I was like sweet, sweet, great, logged in, made sure that
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  it had switched over, vended all of that, got a nice 5K, well
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  almost 6K gold out of that and was happy about that.
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  Decided next step of course was to like sort out my mounts
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  because now I don't need to use one of the Dragons.
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  I can use my own mount. So I've got like my shaman on
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  the class mount with like the transmog that is lightning and
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  the, and the mount that's lightning and my Hearthstone.
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  I, I finally got the war within. So I've got the Lightning
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  Hearthstone. I'm like.
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  Yeah, everything looks cool. So this, I basically was playing
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  The Sims for like half an hour, making sure everything looks
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  pretty and that they were all set up, and then like running my
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  Ulton to certain death. Yeah, it was.
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  It was The Sims for quite a while, Joined the crap out of
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  that and then tried to get out of town and that's when all the
• 19:59
  bugs hit 'cause I was like one, There's lag in places.
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  That are not instance if you're in an instance instance place
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  right now, pretty decent. If you're not in an instance
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  place right now, you can have like memory leaks with add-ons
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  you like that haven't been updated that well, I had to like
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  turn off a bunch of my my add-ons.
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  I didn't have the smooth situation you did there and I've
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  had disconnects unfortunately and stuff, but it has been
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  getting better. Hopefully they're going to bring
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  it down to fix like the crucial issues and all of that.
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  But the but what was really annoying me is when I got into
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  instance content, it's harder to farm stuff than it used to be.
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  I like enemies have more health so they take longer to take down
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  and it's easier for me to like run around open world
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  dragonflight and kill stuff there even like elites than it
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  is for me to go into old raids because they have so much
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  skilled health where I'm like it.
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  Where before I would like swing my hammer once and one shot
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  them, now it's like, OK, got to work on it a bit.
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  And I don't know, I guess it's only going to last this next
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  little bit before we jump up to 80 and we start getting gear
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  from like season one and everything will fall over again.
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  And I have to remind myself that the scaling is set to that so
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  that we don't kill something so quickly that we create issues.
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  Because that's another thing. I went in to one of these things
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  and I went in with a friend, so it wasn't just myself.
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  And we killed, this was like Tazewash, we killed the boss for
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  the gauntlet so fast that it actually screwed up and didn't
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  start the next part of the gauntlet.
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  And unfortunately, you're locked in the room.
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  You can't hearth while you're in combat.
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  And my defenses, you know how I complain about chopping
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  defenses? Well, that's going to stop for a
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  little bit because I could not die for the life of me.
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  The boss needed, all the boss needed to do.
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  I'm just sitting there like, let me sit down so you could create
• 22:15
  me. All the boss needed to do was
• 22:17
  take me from roughly 45 or like 45% health to dead within 45
• 22:27
  seconds so that my passive you gain 20% health doesn't kick in.
• 22:32
  Poor boss man. Like I'm just asking for it and
• 22:35
  the boss couldn't do it, couldn't do it and I couldn't
• 22:38
  hear that. I'm just like what are we going
• 22:39
  to do? This is the first time, guys,
• 22:42
  that I have been thankful for a server crash because the server
• 22:46
  crash saved me from this. What?
• 22:48
  I was going to be stuck there all night.
• 22:51
  I just couldn't do it. And my poor friend who was there
• 22:54
  who actually successfully died, couldn't release.
• 22:56
  So they're just like, I'm going to go get a sandwich.
• 22:59
  I'm like, all right, I guess. I tried logging out, guys.
• 23:02
  I tried logging out, waiting for 15 minutes so that like maybe
• 23:05
  the instance was clear. Nothing, it wasn't happening.
• 23:09
  So yeah, there's there's bugs, it's disruptive, it's the Wild
• 23:13
  West ish and it's a lot of fun. But man, making that gold is
• 23:19
  also great. So I'm I'm enjoying it.
• 23:22
  I'm enjoying it. That said, Lex, I hope you jump
• 23:27
  into it do do stuff you did. There's a bunch of talent
• 23:31
  changes, some classes. Unfortunately, I am again
• 23:36
  screwed up. Remember how we're talking about
• 23:38
  how shaman talents have been getting better?
• 23:40
  And yeah, they're in that screwed up moment that they've
• 23:42
  been getting better. This build is based on a couple
• 23:45
  of weeks back, which is not the worst possible version that it
• 23:51
  was John. It's not the worst possible
• 23:54
  version. Remember when I was whinging?
• 23:59
  That, that that's vaguely familiar.
• 24:01
  It's hard to keep track. I know so many shamans and all
• 24:04
  of the. It's just the winch fury storm
• 24:07
  and you're just like, what the I don't know where to escape from.
• 24:09
  OK, yeah, I don't mind though. 'Cause I get to attack twice
• 24:13
  every now and then, so. Whinge.
• 24:17
  Away my elemental brothers whinge away the worst it.
• 24:20
  Was, but it's like a couple of builds from that and it's not at
• 24:24
  the best it was. So I'm sort of like I don't have
• 24:27
  all the good things that I thought I would have.
• 24:30
  So I'm hoping that changes. So my expectation is that by the
• 24:35
  time we're sitting down and talking again, they will have
• 24:38
  put through a additional adjustment.
• 24:41
  We will no longer have all these bugs.
• 24:43
  We will have stable add-ons and we'll be able to go into the pre
• 24:48
  patch and really enjoy that and then we'll get the.
• 24:51
  Radiant Echoes. Yeah, we'll get, we'll get the
• 24:54
  story. We'll get the the the the
• 24:57
  killing Arthus while Cadgar says our podcast name.
• 25:06
  That is true, but for other people saying our podcast name,
• 25:13
  I think now is a good time to talk about the people who really
• 25:17
  support us. And Sean, can I, can I get you
• 25:21
  to send some love? Yeah, I would definitely would
• 25:25
  love that. We do love support and I want to
• 25:27
  give us. So we we, we, we love all
• 25:28
  support. Anybody who downloads the show
• 25:30
  and listens, whether you listen to 5 minutes or the full show,
• 25:32
  we love all of it. Thank you so much to people in
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  the Discord, everybody, but we want to give a special thanks to
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  our patrons. Brazzeroth will always be free,
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  but if you enjoy the content we produce, you could consider
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  pledging to our Patreon at patreon.com/FAC.
• 25:48
  You get some fun behind the scenes stuff that I don't
• 25:51
  actually know Manny does it all, but I'm sure there's stuff there
• 25:54
  and I bet it's great. Yeah, there's.
• 25:57
  There's at least and you get 1 every month and the untying one.
• 26:02
  There you go. That's what it's really about.
• 26:05
  Undying one. And of course it is always.
• 26:09
  Free, even if you don't put a dollar for it, we do put all of
• 26:15
  that stuff out to all of our all our patrons.
• 26:18
  It's just the people who are supporting us.
• 26:20
  They get a little early access to it as well.
• 26:23
  We have a schedule through the preseason, through the pre patch
• 26:30
  into season one of the War Within.
• 26:33
  Blizzard has posted a wonderful article that includes the
• 26:38
  outlines of everything we're getting.
• 26:40
  So starting with what we just got back on the 22nd, we had the
• 26:49
  season four and that means that if you were trying to get the
• 26:54
  PvP ladder, you're no longer able to progress on that.
• 26:58
  If you are after a mythic plus title, that is no longer
• 27:02
  something that you can fight for.
• 27:03
  Whoever was in that point 1% they have, they will now have
• 27:10
  that frozen and they will be getting their title rewarded.
• 27:13
  But that doesn't mean that you, like Lex said, doesn't mean that
• 27:17
  you still can't get things like the KSM or Keystone hero getting
• 27:23
  your portals. All of that is still available.
• 27:27
  So the pre patch. Because up until 3 seconds ago,
• 27:31
  I didn't know that there were other mythic titles other than
• 27:33
  Keystone Mastery and Keystone Hero.
• 27:35
  So I was like listening to you read this and I was like, Manny,
• 27:38
  you made a mistake in the show notes.
• 27:40
  But we're so caught up now. Continue.
• 27:44
  Yeah, there's, there's, there's definitely, definitely different
• 27:47
  rewards start next week. We will be getting the pre patch
• 27:53
  event that is going to be starting at once every I believe
• 27:58
  90 minutes and then it will speed up over the course of the
• 28:01
  next little bit till it's once every half hour.
• 28:04
  That includes a bunch of like cool little lore moments that
• 28:09
  some people were weren't able to quite see on the beta.
• 28:13
  So we'll this is going to be somewhat new to me.
• 28:16
  Of course, there are people who chest tested it out on the PTR
• 28:20
  that'll and you can check out the videos for that, but the
• 28:24
  World of Warcraft team has also given a preview for that as
• 28:26
  well. Then we have that into August.
• 28:34
  In August, the August 20th, the PvP preseason will begin.
• 28:43
  So everything for the season ends and we're just in that in
• 28:48
  between start for for PvP. That's because on the 22nd,
• 28:53
  early access unlocks and everybody who got their Primo
• 28:58
  edition, their their epic edition, their collector's
• 29:00
  edition, they will be able to jump in and do do the War Within
• 29:06
  content start levelling and that includes access to the normal
• 29:10
  dungeons. Normal dungeons only.
• 29:14
  Then on the 26th the gates open up fully.
• 29:18
  Everybody is in to the War Within and that will include
• 29:24
  heroic dungeons opening up and season 4 Pve rewards will then
• 29:30
  be disc retired. That's a big thing because that
• 29:34
  means that like there's going to be this weird in between where
• 29:38
  some people are going to be jumping from there's there's
• 29:43
  stuff in the Dragon Isles going over to to Doran and all of
• 29:48
  that, but still able to click go back and and be in the Dragon
• 29:53
  Isles again. I'm not sure anybody will be
• 29:55
  doing that. I think they'll be very much
• 29:57
  concentrated, but it'll be a weird split between the the team
• 30:01
  anyways. That means that the full
• 30:04
  preseason of the war the war begins is in effect on the 26th,
• 30:10
  but that only includes heroic dungeons.
• 30:15
  Heroic dungeons are also going to be something that you can't
• 30:18
  cue for in the Looking For dungeon tool.
• 30:21
  You're going to have to like walk out there as if they were
• 30:23
  mythic zeros during this preseason time.
• 30:28
  Then September 10th, that is when we have Heroic week.
• 30:34
  Season one begins. Heroic week is back.
• 30:37
  That is not mythic opening up, but it's different.
• 30:41
  Some people have called this the monkey paw curling because
• 30:44
  people are like bring back heroic week but it's different
• 30:48
  than it was before because while you will be able to access
• 30:52
  normal and heroic raid difficulty as people were
• 30:55
  expecting, raid Finder week one for wing one is also opening so
• 31:03
  there's no delay on raid Finder. Mythic zeros are opening up and
• 31:09
  the heroic dungeons will no longer be just the War Within
• 31:13
  dungeons. It's going to be the seasonal
• 31:16
  rotation that mirrors the mythic dungeons.
• 31:21
  The world boss. Will open up.
• 31:24
  And the. PvP season begins and what was
• 31:31
  missing from that? Mythic Plus is not available
• 31:37
  during Heroic Week. That actually.
• 31:41
  Will be unlocking on mythic week the week afterwards where we
• 31:46
  will get the mythic plus dungeons, the mythic raid, raid
• 31:50
  Finder week two the very next week, story mode for that.
• 31:56
  Like just see how the dungeon ends on Week 2 and then finally
• 32:02
  the very next week afterwards, not two weeks later, but the
• 32:05
  very next week afterwards, we get week 3 where rate Finder
• 32:10
  wing three opens up and everything is open for
• 32:13
  everybody. So Lex in from your rating, do
• 32:21
  you like this? What do you?
• 32:23
  What do you think are is good or bad about this?
• 32:25
  Let's start with your good on this I.
• 32:29
  Like it. I mean, I to be honest, I'm very
• 32:32
  like when it comes to like when certain things open, I'm super
• 32:35
  go with the flow. Like I don't you just tell me
• 32:38
  when to show up for raid night. Like is my only my only vibe.
• 32:43
  I think this like the this seems to make a lot of sense.
• 32:48
  I think it's good. I always feel bad for raid
• 32:50
  Finder people because it feels like there's often so much space
• 32:53
  where they don't get new content and people who are on like
• 32:56
  normal and above tracks are able to just start like blasting
• 32:59
  through things. So I'm really excited they're
• 33:01
  opening up raid Finder soon. I'm also really excited that
• 33:04
  like for raid Finder folks, they get raid Finder wing two and
• 33:08
  story mode together. So there's also no more of that.
• 33:11
  Like all of your friends who do normal and heroic rating have
• 33:15
  already seen the last boss and they're like, Oh my God, did you
• 33:18
  watch that cutscene? It was crazy and you don't get
• 33:21
  to see it. I don't know what that voice
• 33:22
  was. It came out of absolutely
• 33:23
  nowhere. But you like finally the, the
• 33:26
  people who do raid Finder will also like be able to pop in into
• 33:32
  to story mode. So when you get like, you get
• 33:35
  wing one, then wing 2IN story mode, you get the ending
• 33:37
  altogether. You don't wait for wing three to
• 33:39
  open. So I, I think this is really
• 33:42
  exciting. I think it's gonna be really
• 33:45
  fun. I, I do, I think it's
• 33:49
  interesting that this is also kind of showing that I think
• 33:51
  more of like a look at how Blizzard has started to see, for
• 33:55
  example, the fact that Mythic raids and Mythic plus dungeons
• 33:57
  are together is very interesting because I think previously
• 34:01
  Mythic plus dungeons have been, if anything, more like aligned
• 34:04
  with heroic rating in terms of difficulty, in terms of
• 34:07
  expectations. And so I think it made a lot of
• 34:10
  sense for those to kind of go together just given how clearly
• 34:14
  it was being seen by the Blizzard team.
• 34:16
  I think that mythic plus is now not necessarily like mythic
• 34:19
  rating level only, but it is certainly meant to be a little
• 34:22
  bit more at that level. And so I think it's interesting
• 34:24
  that they did kind of like pop things in different little
• 34:26
  places. I don't know what I think is bad
• 34:29
  about it. I think it's exciting, but also
• 34:31
  Blizzard could be like, raid doesn't open up for four weeks
• 34:34
  at the beginning of the the expansion.
• 34:37
  I'd be like, well, that's how it is I guess.
• 34:41
  What do I know? OK.
• 34:44
  All right. Well, Sean, from your
• 34:46
  perspective, what, what's your take on this?
• 34:50
  The biggest take away I have is that they don't mention delves
• 34:54
  at all and the delve piece is a big piece.
• 35:00
  Not historically. In heroic week we would have the
• 35:04
  ability to span mythic plus dungeons to target farm pieces
• 35:08
  we wanted and to rebuild our vault.
• 35:12
  They would loot cap it. I think it was plus 10 the last
• 35:15
  time we had aerobic week or was capped.
• 35:17
  Previously it was like a + 6 or something like that where the
• 35:19
  loot was capped on it. They would loot cap it, but you
• 35:22
  could still farm it and get a bit of an advantage and more
• 35:25
  importantly you would be getting ambient gear.
• 35:30
  They have completely removed that and in its place they've
• 35:33
  put M0 now. Currently in season three and
• 35:35
  season four of Shadow Lands where M Zeros are have been
• 35:39
  squished to be the difficulty of AA0 to A10 or have A + 2 to A +
• 35:43
  10. They are dropping champion track
• 35:47
  gear in The War Within. The difficulty remains the same,
• 35:52
  but they have dropped their loot to veteran gear.
• 35:55
  But M0 now drops the same loot as LFR.
• 36:00
  What does this mean? Well, it means there's zero
• 36:02
  reason outside of one run of eight dungeons for your vault
• 36:06
  possibility to run M0. And really, you're probably not
• 36:10
  even gonna do that because the the gear drops from it is so
• 36:14
  low. Unless we hear definitively that
• 36:18
  the delves are capped. Farming delves will be the play
• 36:23
  or heroic week, or gearing up in season one of The War Within
• 36:28
  which has a lot of people not super happy about it.
• 36:33
  There are some people that have said that you know all they're
• 36:35
  catering to the race to roll first.
• 36:36
  This actually hurts race to roll first players more because not
• 36:40
  being able to farm mythic plus in heroic week means they're
• 36:43
  going to have to do it in mythic week as anytime they're not in
• 36:47
  the rain they're going to be pushed into dungeons.
• 36:49
  Should the game be built towards them?
• 36:52
  100% not. Who does this benefit?
• 36:55
  It benefits anybody who can't be sweaty during heroic week and
• 36:59
  spam run mythic plus dungeons to prepare for raid.
• 37:02
  But you know, normal people. That benefits them.
• 37:06
  Is that good for the game? Probably because it's a lot more
• 37:12
  of us than there are the other. How do I feel about it?
• 37:15
  Tinfoil hat theory. It's if they don't cap delves.
• 37:20
  And Full disclosure, I expect that delve loot will be capped
• 37:25
  much in the way that Mythic plus loot was capped for her.
• 37:28
  Ugly, but if they don't cap delve loot, this is an awful
• 37:32
  good way to force a lot of players to play content they
• 37:34
  might not have played otherwise for a whole week.
• 37:38
  It depends on when they allow for the boutness, the bounteous
• 37:43
  chest, because if you recall from an early episode, when you
• 37:47
  do your first two of the activities, you'll get, you'll
• 37:51
  get gear. The first four will get you
• 37:54
  those hundred shards that you can then turn into keys.
• 37:56
  Those keys are how you get the, the higher, the higher loot.
• 38:03
  And if they just say, OK, well delves beyond A7 or let's say a
• 38:10
  A5 can't unlock. That's the easy way to to cap
• 38:13
  what kind of loot you can get out of there.
• 38:15
  If they just say, hey, you can't get the the fragments to make
• 38:19
  your keys, that would be a hard cap.
• 38:21
  You would maybe do delves to get it up to hey, I can do delves
• 38:26
  quickly to get some loot on the mythic week.
• 38:28
  But yeah, it's it's very much going to depend on it.
• 38:31
  I think that in terms of the gear that we're getting, it's
• 38:39
  going to be a lot harder for you say sweaty, but I'm going to say
• 38:47
  day Raiders. I'm going to, I'm going to make,
• 38:50
  I'm going to make that that separation because there are
• 38:53
  some strong rating guilds that still do their day job and there
• 38:58
  are some strong rating guilds that are able to take off the
• 39:02
  time in order to raid. And that's a separate separation
• 39:07
  from the echo limit method. Yeah, I want to be clear.
• 39:12
  I don't use the term sweaty derogatory no, but like sweaty
• 39:15
  is. I just meet.
• 39:16
  Anybody who plays the game 20 plus hours a week, if you play
• 39:19
  the game 20 plus hours a week, I don't mean sweat, I don't.
• 39:22
  Mean to say sweaty as a derogatory.
• 39:24
  I mean to say sweaty as undefined and so I want to use a
• 39:27
  more sorry. I want to use a more.
• 39:29
  Defined term, right? So when you get into like day
• 39:34
  rating, that isn't just like the top three guilds, that can be
• 39:38
  something along the lines of the top 50 guilds, right?
• 39:43
  And those those are the teams that are going to be able to
• 39:47
  quote UN quote be sweaty to push through rotations of mythic plus
• 39:52
  and other sources when the concurrently to their team
• 39:57
  rating. So I want to say that like the
• 40:01
  base level that we're starting at with this return to Heroic
• 40:04
  week is going to be much lower. Because you are just not going
• 40:09
  to have as many attempts to get gear.
• 40:13
  The raid clearing through on heroic is going to be 1 loot per
• 40:18
  boss that spread. Well I mean like three or four
• 40:20
  to the raid team right? It's going to be one attempt in
• 40:23
  the the week. The amount of times you can do
• 40:26
  mythic 0 is going to is going to be incredibly limited because of
• 40:32
  this as well. Now I hear that's going to be a
• 40:36
  daily lockout, Is that correct? Correct.
• 40:41
  Yeah, mythic zeros will unlock daily.
• 40:46
  You can. You could technically do 8
• 40:49
  dungeons a day for the entire week, but as it stands right
• 40:54
  now, without knowing the status of delves, there's currently no
• 40:57
  reason to do that. So like I just I.
• 41:00
  Looking at the context, I can't see Delves being that odd odd
• 41:04
  man out. Unless they want people to play
• 41:08
  again, I don't. Think they'll disrupt the
• 41:10
  entirety of the balance just to like, make people play Delves?
• 41:15
  Watch this space. Go ahead, Lex.
• 41:20
  Oh, I just. Assumed that if they weren't
• 41:21
  saying anything that we should assume the delves are going to
• 41:23
  be open completely from the beginning.
• 41:26
  I could be wrong, but that that that was my take from looking at
• 41:30
  this. Like, you know, they're very
• 41:32
  clearly laying everything out and if they're not putting
• 41:35
  something on the schedule, I assume that's a purposeful
• 41:38
  decision that like this isn't time limited.
• 41:42
  That said, I'm also in administrative work.
• 41:44
  And so God knows the number of times that people are like, oh,
• 41:47
  did you leave that off on purpose?
• 41:48
  And I'm like, not an idiot. It's not zero.
• 41:51
  So it's quite possible that it just.
• 41:54
  And. We're all reading far too much
• 41:56
  into this, but. Yeah.
• 41:59
  OK. Yeah, I should be.
• 42:01
  Clear that that's a my tinfoil hat theory is just a for fun
• 42:04
  theory. This is an entertainment show
• 42:06
  first and foremost, folks. I'm certain that that that's I'm
• 42:09
  trying. To give some information here, I
• 42:12
  feel like yeah, I just want to. Make sure nobody thinks that I'm
• 42:15
  like, secretly like some Twitter hater.
• 42:19
  Nothing but love. Sean's just.
• 42:21
  Upset it's like ever since the Unite has been lazy.
• 42:25
  Yeah, that you, yeah, that's. Right Union ruin in my game
• 42:32
  development. More crunch.
• 42:34
  Again, this is please, if you're listening, this is a joke.
• 42:37
  I don't mean any of this. I'm anti grunge.
• 42:40
  I'm happy. I well, my Twitter block list is
• 42:46
  so big that I wouldn't be able to see anybody complaining about
• 42:48
  it anyway, you know? Oh, my God, for Ezra has that
• 42:51
  Shanghai there and he hates employees, but that's not true.
• 42:55
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 42:56
  And I'm looking forward to Heroic Week because as a sweat
• 42:59
  without a job, I could definitely play more than 20
• 43:02
  hours a week that would say this is my job.
• 43:04
  There you go. Yeah.
• 43:07
  So I, I think it's going to be, it's going to slow progress for
• 43:12
  a lot of the people who are not in that top echelon because
• 43:16
  they're not going to come in with anywhere near the gear that
• 43:19
  they're used to. I think it's really kind of
• 43:23
  fitting along that same lines that we've seen in season four
• 43:27
  and season three, where there's been such a huge jump between
• 43:29
  where you start and what the what the content offers, that
• 43:33
  it's going to be that kind of slow versus what we saw in
• 43:38
  season 2. Where was people were tearing
• 43:40
  through that raid quickly. Yeah, I, I was.
• 43:42
  Going to say that I thought that my, my memory of Dragonflight
• 43:45
  season one was that the, at least the first few bosses in
• 43:49
  that raid were just like to face roles.
• 43:52
  And I, I, I wonder if part of the reason that they're kind of
• 43:54
  capping gear is so that they can kind of down tune that a little
• 43:58
  bit and make it so you don't go into the raid and you're just
• 44:00
  like, oh, OK, goodbye. That's a night, I guess.
• 44:06
  But you might be. Making out my seasons, you had
• 44:10
  also talked about like 04 weeks without raiding and I've seen
• 44:15
  some people be like, wait a second, this means we're going
• 44:17
  to be going so long without Mythic plus.
• 44:20
  Oh, I've got some people. You guys are like enjoying
• 44:21
  Mythic Plus. I've got that some joy for
• 44:24
  certain, you guys. Sean.
• 44:26
  Sean. Enjoys mythic plus is this.
• 44:30
  Are you sad that it's going to be such a wait for a mythic plus
• 44:34
  or are you OK with this? You were you were around for
• 44:37
  Shadow Lands. So in Shadow Lands we had like
• 44:41
  about four weeks before the season really began.
• 44:43
  That was a prolonged like two weeks of just doing mythic
• 44:46
  zeros, 2 weeks of mythic. Zeros and then yeah, Mythic plus
• 44:50
  opened to the cap to the the caps blue loot locked I it's
• 44:58
  really tough the start of the expansion.
• 44:59
  There's a lot to do. If this was season 2 I would
• 45:04
  have more feelings about it, but season one, like I have level
• 45:10
  all my characters to 70, so that that's done.
• 45:12
  That'll probably be done in the three day early release, but
• 45:15
  we'll see. I'll level all my characters to
• 45:16
  70 and then gear them to a baseline by farming whatever
• 45:20
  content I can farm on them. Plus my Ray team will be looking
• 45:23
  to get stuff in, so I'll be helping people out doing
• 45:26
  whatever dungeons they can't do from the ones that I do through
• 45:28
  the daytime. Am I going to miss the Mythic
• 45:32
  Plus? You know, it's only an extra
• 45:34
  week permit before we get Mythic.
• 45:35
  Plus. When you really think about the
• 45:37
  start of an expansion, it's one extra week.
• 45:39
  I get it. People are like 03 weeks before
• 45:41
  I get it. That sucks.
• 45:42
  And like I said, this was season two.
• 45:44
  Yeah, that's a problem. But season one, there is so much
• 45:47
  to do. Story, side quests, Rep grinds,
• 45:52
  check delves out. And then also not everyone has
• 45:56
  been playing the dungeons non-stop in the beta like
• 45:59
  myself. And like a lot of the people who
• 46:01
  are the most vocal about their upset on Twitter, though, it's
• 46:06
  almost kind of like a blessing. It'll I think maybe it eases the
• 46:10
  ramp into the pug scene a little bit better.
• 46:13
  Mythic mythic, you know, it's an extra week of people doing them
• 46:15
  on heroic and mythic 0 difficulty.
• 46:17
  I think 0 difficulty is no joke. That's an extra week of people
• 46:20
  getting to learn the dungeons. You haven't been running them
• 46:22
  for two months, which is is needed.
• 46:25
  And then once maybe Mythic Plus hits, it's it's just a little
• 46:28
  bit easier. I think it's an easier ramping
• 46:29
  that way. I don't really have any strong
• 46:32
  feelings either way towards it. I get my joy from the people
• 46:35
  that I play with and I'm going to be hanging out with those
• 46:37
  people no matter what content we're doing, whether it's Mythic
• 46:40
  Plus delves or you know, farming rares.
• 46:43
  So yeah, I, I. Think that you hit a really good
• 46:48
  point there, that being able to have that extra week on the
• 46:51
  Mythic Zeros when there's no time constraint so people can
• 46:54
  take the time to learn the dungeon a little bit more is
• 46:57
  going to be really good. And because Mythic Zeros are
• 47:02
  such a higher difficulty, being able to have people who are
• 47:06
  like, OK, I'm going to work on heroics for a bit and then I'm
• 47:09
  going to get to Mythic Zeros. Even if they start Mythic Zeros
• 47:12
  when the mythic pluses open up, they don't feel as rushed to
• 47:16
  learn it. It could be really good for the
• 47:19
  greater, a greater part of the audience.
• 47:22
  So I like that. OK, Any last thoughts about this
• 47:27
  schedule that you would want 'cause like I'm looking at story
• 47:31
  mode and how it's coming out before Wing 3.
• 47:35
  And I'm sort of like, I kind of wish that you could get LFR done
• 47:41
  before doing the quote UN quote story mode, but.
• 47:46
  I disagree, I think story mode should launch with normal raid.
• 47:50
  If I can clear the raid on normal and see the end of the
• 47:52
  story, why are we locking it to people that don't raid?
• 47:55
  That just seems needlessly cruel to me.
• 47:58
  I don't know why we do that and it's the same as LFR.
• 48:01
  I don't personally understand why LFR is time gated.
• 48:04
  I think it should all launch with normal raid, especially
• 48:09
  early in the season, because it'll be easier because all of
• 48:12
  the, the, the higher teams that run heroic grades and that run
• 48:17
  mythic raids are running LFR at that same time.
• 48:20
  So it would be a bit of a boost for people who are running like,
• 48:23
  hey, I don't mean like a boost isn't like we're character
• 48:26
  boosting, but I mean like, hey, there's extra people here that
• 48:28
  are doing this content that I normally wouldn't engage with.
• 48:31
  And maybe it's a little bit easier than it might be.
• 48:33
  And that's great. And you can see some tactics or
• 48:35
  what have you. I think LFR should open up fully
• 48:37
  with normal raid. And I think 100% because that
• 48:40
  ship has obviously sailed. They're not going to do that.
• 48:42
  They don't do it for whatever reason.
• 48:44
  But I also think 100% that story mode should launch with normal
• 48:47
  because, and again, this doesn't apply to me, I'm going to clear
• 48:51
  normal raid probably the first day.
• 48:52
  But I feel like if I was somebody who plays the game
• 48:56
  solo, who is excited about story mode, you're still making me
• 49:01
  wait two more weeks after everybody, like I'm still going
• 49:03
  to see this in a YouTube video before I get to experience it
• 49:06
  myself. That if I was one of those
• 49:09
  people, I would be angry. I'm not one of those people.
• 49:11
  So I'm I'm trying to be like, I think.
• 49:12
  I think it's a. Misunderstanding of like those
• 49:15
  people anyways, I think it's I think it's a misunderstanding of
• 49:18
  that mindset because like OK, before you jump in Lex right I
• 49:22
  don't think this is you either. I think this is people who like
• 49:28
  raiding do not have the stable, stable schedule to say, OK, I'm
• 49:33
  going to raid with a set team all the time and don't have a
• 49:38
  enough time to be like, OK, I'm going to pug through normal
• 49:41
  throughout the week and I'll clear through normal over the
• 49:44
  course of the week. These are time limited people.
• 49:46
  So if you would have all of them open at the same time and just
• 49:52
  immediately there, they're still going to be a segment of people
• 49:56
  who are like, oh, I, I can't spend like six hours.
• 50:01
  Let's say it's an hour and a half for each each part.
• 50:04
  It's actually the come closer to five hours.
• 50:06
  I can't spend 5 hours in a week on the video game.
• 50:11
  Even over the course of a week. I've got like one day where I
• 50:14
  want to go, go through this and to have it concentrated to be
• 50:17
  like, oh, it opens up and I Tuesday, I can go in with
• 50:19
  everybody and experience it with, with people or even if
• 50:23
  it's like Tuesday's a bad day and, and that where you're going
• 50:25
  in and it's, it's an event to bring you back.
• 50:27
  I think that adds something to it.
• 50:29
  And that's a segment of people. That's not everybody.
• 50:32
  Because I'm sure there are people who are like, Oh yeah,
• 50:34
  LFR and I, I just, I want to get to it.
• 50:36
  Let me do it. Like let's have some fun.
• 50:39
  Story mode, though, is just the last boss.
• 50:43
  And I think it's very weird to be like, I just want to deal
• 50:48
  with this with like what happened at the end of it and
• 50:50
  just be like, OK, I'm jumping into story mode because at that
• 50:54
  point I'm I've yet to see, and this is because I'm going in
• 50:59
  blind. I've yet to see what story mode
• 51:01
  offers that a YouTube video doesn't at that point.
• 51:07
  That's a fairpoint. I will say the LFR Raiders are
• 51:11
  not me now, but it was me back when I was a role player and I,
• 51:16
  I, I agree with Sean. It felt so bad that you had to
• 51:19
  wait for raid Finder and like all of my I had part of it was
• 51:23
  that my non RP rating friends were like kind of jerks about
• 51:27
  it. I'll own up to that.
• 51:29
  But like it did just feel bad to have like your friends, like all
• 51:32
  freaking out about this, like exciting lore that got dropped,
• 51:35
  especially as a role player, right where like lore was with
• 51:37
  my whole world, and to feel like I did have to decide, like, you
• 51:41
  know, I was like, well, I want to do this on my own, and the
• 51:43
  only way to do that is to al afar, because I wasn't remotely
• 51:46
  like anywhere near good enough to to move into even normal.
• 51:50
  Like I I tried and it was it was.
• 51:52
  No team would have taken me at that point.
• 51:55
  But like did not have those options And and I, I, I, I think
• 52:00
  I might know what, what point you're gonna make, Manny.
• 52:03
  And like, yeah, part of it might be that like what Blizzard is
• 52:05
  saying is like, if you want to be able to do normal learn,
• 52:07
  right, like there's guides, there's ways to do it.
• 52:09
  And that's a a fairpoint. But as a previous like raid
• 52:13
  Finder only I, I did always think it was silly that I didn't
• 52:18
  get access to the, the raid what everyone else did.
• 52:21
  But I'm sorry, Manny, go ahead. No.
• 52:23
  I just, I just think that like the people who are going to be
• 52:26
  talking about the lore bits and stuff like that is such a small
• 52:32
  part of the lifetime of LFR because every single time a
• 52:38
  patch came out, Wowhead, look, we've got this video from the
• 52:42
  raid and this thing and people were talking about it before
• 52:44
  anybody got into it. So like, it wasn't really that
• 52:48
  people were raiding and seeing it with their raids.
• 52:50
  It was it was out there. There were videos showing it and
• 52:56
  and there's something. Different between watching a
• 52:59
  video though and experiencing it yourself because you did it your
• 53:01
  you know your character is there for again, I'm not afraid, I do,
• 53:06
  I do agree. It is something special to
• 53:12
  achieve it, especially now that they have those, they those like
• 53:16
  quasi cutscenes where your character is actually there and
• 53:19
  you get to see your character standing there triumphant and
• 53:23
  you're like, yes, I, I've done it.
• 53:25
  But like, I don't think that that feels quite the same as
• 53:32
  when like I, my team and I get AOTC or get cutting edge, right?
• 53:38
  Or like clear through the boss on normal.
• 53:40
  Like, yeah, we did it. Then when I ran in with a bunch
• 53:44
  of randoms and we got enough stacks of determination or the
• 53:46
  boss was so cakewalk that I didn't care.
• 53:48
  And now I get to see the cinematic.
• 53:50
  I don't think it's quite that same level.
• 53:52
  I would argue that. The LFR bosses are harder than
• 53:54
  the normal bosses, but that's in.
• 53:56
  Spite of bosses, people make that harder.
• 54:00
  I will argue that LFR is actually harder.
• 54:05
  If you're an LFR only writer, you're not going in with randos,
• 54:08
  you're going in with your people, right?
• 54:10
  You're in there with your Guild. Is everyone anybody who joins
• 54:13
  LFR? That's your Oh, look at it.
• 54:16
  If I will say, if you were as a previous bad who did, and I want
• 54:20
  to be clear that I say that affectionately about myself.
• 54:22
  I, if you are an alpha writer who is like I could never get
• 54:25
  into normal, you are not a bad. You are an Angel and we love you
• 54:28
  and we support you and I hope you have the most fun of your
• 54:30
  life. But as somebody who previously
• 54:32
  was LFR only we are, we are the people who are being like
• 54:35
  bullied so hard in the like text chat.
• 54:39
  Like one of the reasons that I'm so like I, I am the person who
• 54:42
  will go into LFR partially. So if somebody is a jerk to
• 54:45
  other people, I can be like, hey, man, like check your own
• 54:48
  DPS numbers before you yell at them or like, hey, man, it's
• 54:51
  LFR. This is where you're supposed to
• 54:52
  learn. Like I I will go in to defend Al
• 54:54
  Afaris is because I remember what it felt like to be like.
• 54:59
  I'm here because. I'm bad you guys.
• 55:01
  Like that's why I'm. Here 'cause I'm not very.
• 55:04
  Good. And you're all voting to kick me
• 55:05
  out. But from now on.
• 55:10
  For me, LFR will stand for Lex Porkin.
• 55:15
  So. So in my head I was trying to
• 55:17
  think of like how to get lex rants to have the same syllables
• 55:21
  as America so I could be like lex rance.
• 55:24
  Hell yeah. This is gonna be like forking
• 55:32
  Rance. I.
• 55:37
  Will not get into my LFR rant right now, but I am very I
• 55:40
  actually think that LFR is an untapped resource and should be
• 55:44
  really good. And I think that if the more
• 55:46
  good people who get into LFR for practice purposes, the better it
• 55:50
  is for the entire world. But that's a that's a whole
• 55:52
  conversation. I think the one the one thing I
• 55:55
  want to add to the conversation of like why it feels bad to not
• 55:58
  have all of the wings at once. The one thing that I do really
• 56:01
  remember is the Legion dungeon where the like planet comes into
• 56:07
  view and you don't get that until you do the final boss that
• 56:12
  like, yeah, like to be fair, if you're an LFR Raider only like
• 56:16
  you're probably not like overly fussed about these things.
• 56:20
  But these things as in like as in like killing all of the
• 56:22
  bosses but occasionally the ends of raids changes the game and
• 56:31
  changes the the. Right, exactly.
• 56:35
  And so to not have access to that when all of like when your
• 56:39
  friends are having access to that doesn't feel great.
• 56:42
  And again, there's an argument to be made that Blizzard would
• 56:44
  respond with then get good enough and to do normal, right.
• 56:47
  There's a lot of normal teams out there.
• 56:49
  So, you know, skill issue. But I agree, I've always thought
• 56:53
  it was silly that Ray Schinder's broken up like that.
• 56:55
  I don't get it. I don't think it makes sense.
• 56:57
  And I think that it should drop with, frankly, I think it's
• 56:59
  dropped before normal and heroic.
• 57:00
  I think there should be ALFR week where we all have to go
• 57:03
  play with randos and suffer and be in hell.
• 57:05
  And then it won't be hell. Because if you have enough good
• 57:07
  players in an LFR team, nobody's mean.
• 57:09
  Because the only people who are mean in LFR are people who are
• 57:12
  bad and are compensating for the fact that they're bad because
• 57:15
  it's the one place where they get to feel better than other
• 57:17
  people. Sorry, I said I wouldn't do my
• 57:18
  LFR right. You launch all three wings of
• 57:22
  LFR on the on in in Heroic week. They all go live with normal and
• 57:26
  Heroic raid. It'll be the best week LFR
• 57:29
  because everybody's going to run it.
• 57:31
  Everybody's going to run it. Everybody wants tear pieces.
• 57:33
  Everybody wants to get into the raid.
• 57:35
  Everybody's running it. Yeah, I did not expect this to
• 57:41
  be the thing we talked the most about today.
• 57:43
  That's crazy. Manny's doing the face for our
• 57:45
  audio only listeners. We stream live every Wednesday
• 57:49
  at 7:00 PM Eastern to record this show at twitch.tv/true
• 57:53
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• 57:58
  glorious :) that a couple of us have done today.
• 58:02
  Or you can see it on our YouTube Shorts.
• 58:05
  Good on the TV. Short.
• 58:07
  Yeah, No. It's gonna definitely be a
• 58:09
  short. That's a clip for sure.
• 58:11
  YouTube short. Sure.
• 58:12
  But like, man, No, no, no, no, no need to force people into LFR
• 58:17
  at at I'm fine with it all coming out at the same time.
• 58:20
  I think that it does concentrate people into the different wings.
• 58:23
  So people are like, hey, here's an event, here's an event,
• 58:26
  here's an event. Somebody who doesn't have all
• 58:28
  the time on week 1 doesn't feel so that they're falling behind.
• 58:33
  But I understand that it, it causes some people who are in
• 58:37
  that weird in between space that have the time to do all three,
• 58:40
  that they feel gated and time gating is something that people
• 58:43
  hate. That said, I, I it's like I'm
• 58:50
  speaking from my own point of view, much like we all are.
• 58:54
  So it might be that I don't fully understand it.
• 58:56
  Lex, you have more time there. I went from being a Raider who
• 59:03
  was pushing, pushing high to an LFR hero and but like, I jumped
• 59:10
  right out of it. So I just have not had time for
• 59:13
  that. That should have also clarified.
• 59:15
  That I was a very specific flavor of LFR runner where like
• 59:20
  I was also a role player. And I also, as anyone who has
• 59:24
  listened to the show know, I, I have a a quite an inferiority
• 59:28
  complex when it comes to doing the any gaming things with
• 59:33
  people that I don't know. So I might have, I also might
• 59:36
  not be like the average LFR runner.
• 59:39
  I should clarify that, yeah. Like it's, it's very hard to
• 59:42
  speak about this because it's not monolithic.
• 59:45
  There's a wide range of different people who go to LFR
• 59:48
  for different reasons. So your, your response is just
• 59:51
  as valid as anybody's. Maybe not Sean's.
• 59:53
  He doesn't. He doesn't know what the LFR
• 59:55
  might like. I really just want it open so I
• 59:59
  can get more shots. Thank you.
• 1:00:03
  I'm wrapping it up in this nice package of oh the poor LFR only
• 1:00:06
  being here. Well, I'm a sweat in the skies.
• 1:00:16
  Hello fellow LFRS, you need more sweats.
• 1:00:18
  In LFR. No, we.
• 1:00:21
  Don't some of those sweats are horrible.
• 1:00:24
  Some of those sweats are they're never like no the.
• 1:00:26
  Real. It's not sweats.
• 1:00:28
  Real sweats. The true sweats are good people.
• 1:00:31
  They help others. They lift others up.
• 1:00:34
  The bet people that push people down, they they're pretend
• 1:00:37
  sweats. They're not real sweats.
• 1:00:38
  They're something else. They're garbage.
• 1:00:40
  I'll die on that hill. I could be wrong.
• 1:00:42
  Real sweats on that hill are lifting up.
• 1:00:44
  That's a very. Wrong hill to die on anyways.
• 1:00:47
  I I like we reject those. People.
• 1:00:56
  That you guys think that, and I think that there are good people
• 1:01:00
  at all levels and bad people at all levels.
• 1:01:02
  I don't want to say one way or another, but there is a I'm
• 1:01:07
  gonna need. You to do names Manny.
• 1:01:08
  Yeah, Manny. Who do you think's a?
• 1:01:09
  Good person? Who do you think's a bad person?
• 1:01:12
  OK, well, I mean, we've got we've got Lex.
• 1:01:14
  Who's a good person at 1:00? Level we've got Sean, who's a
• 1:01:17
  good person at one level we've got Epidemi who's a great person
• 1:01:21
  in the chat. We've got great people all over
• 1:01:22
  the place. We'll leave the bad people out
• 1:01:25
  of it, but I just didn't name them for good reasons now.
• 1:01:29
  So if he, Manny, didn't name you, then that means you're a
• 1:01:31
  bad person. The world's divided.
• 1:01:33
  Into two groups. The people Manny just named Ed.
• 1:01:38
  Come on. EDIT All right that was saying
• 1:01:41
  this Anyways, if you if you want to put your name in so I could
• 1:01:47
  say that you're a great person, make sure you leave us a 5 star
• 1:01:51
  reviews just like Danica in Montreal did.
• 1:01:55
  Now Danika says hello. I've been playing Wow since
• 1:02:00
  2005, took a decade off and mid cataclysm and have been full
• 1:02:06
  steam ahead since Dragonflight. I've been listening to current
• 1:02:10
  episodes to keep up to date, but also pouring through the
• 1:02:13
  archives to get the scoop on how players thought and felt about
• 1:02:17
  the game through during the expansions I missed.
• 1:02:20
  It's being a wonderful chronicle to listen through.
• 1:02:23
  I appreciate the different points of sorry, different
• 1:02:26
  viewpoints based on how each host plays the game as we all
• 1:02:30
  have our own spin on things. Anyway, you are my first and
• 1:02:34
  possibly only Wow podcast that I've listened to and all the
• 1:02:37
  work that you do is amazing. Thanks for everything.
• 1:02:39
  So thank you Danika. You should listen to other
• 1:02:42
  podcasts. There are a lot of great
• 1:02:44
  podcasts out there. And again, I do love that we
• 1:02:48
  have all these viewpoints like this is actually kind of perfect
• 1:02:51
  considering what we were just talking about with our
• 1:02:52
  viewpoints. Thanks for teeing that up for
• 1:02:55
  us, Danika. If you leave five star reviews,
• 1:02:59
  we will give you a shout out on the show and it really does help
• 1:03:04
  us reach new listeners as well. That said, and if you leave A1.
• 1:03:09
  Star Review. We'll track you down.
• 1:03:11
  No. No.
• 1:03:12
  We and we friends. We've clearly don't understand.
• 1:03:16
  We did wrong. He wasn't shot, Lex.
• 1:03:20
  Not getting a sued once again. But yeah, leave your reviews.
• 1:03:27
  We I do read them all, good or bad, and I do try and take them
• 1:03:33
  to heart. Unless you are an absolute jerk.
• 1:03:35
  That said, Sean, I'm going to turn it over to you because we
• 1:03:39
  have the last story being about tanking, OK?
• 1:03:44
  Here we go. I am glistening Mormon here
• 1:03:48
  tonight. Here we go.
• 1:03:49
  I I closed. You can't see it that because my
• 1:03:52
  camera angle that's all going to change next week.
• 1:03:54
  But I have my posters up but my doors closed to shut them off,
• 1:03:58
  which means I'm not getting any of the air conditioning.
• 1:04:00
  So it's just me, the lights and a very smelly dog got nerfed.
• 1:04:05
  That's the segue. It works.
• 1:04:07
  Don't judge. That's right.
• 1:04:11
  Beer for Azeroth? Never.
• 1:04:13
  Say anything bad about shadowing, I will take that
• 1:04:15
  criticism to heart. That's right.
• 1:04:19
  There was a tank tuning post that went out last week, I think
• 1:04:24
  it was. Yeah, it was.
• 1:04:28
  It was after we recorded the show last week, so it was like
• 1:04:30
  Tuesday. I think it went out because it
• 1:04:31
  was a late beta build and the summary of it this came from
• 1:04:35
  Kayvacs. Our boy Kayvacs.
• 1:04:37
  Special shout out new Wow GG member.
• 1:04:40
  Kayvacs send a message out that tanks are going to take more
• 1:04:46
  damage overall. They're not going to be able to
• 1:04:50
  self sustain as much as they do now.
• 1:04:52
  Healers will have to heal them more in dungeons, but it won't
• 1:04:56
  be to the point that they consume the majority of the
• 1:04:58
  healers attention and this shouldn't overly negatively
• 1:05:04
  affect gameplay and hopefully will help everything to balance
• 1:05:07
  out a little bit more. And to quote a fantastic YouTube
• 1:05:12
  channel, it was a shit show Twitter before.
• 1:05:19
  So this post came out on Tuesday.
• 1:05:21
  The servers were down for like 2 hours. 3 hours after the post
• 1:05:25
  came out, so before the servers came up, it was, I want to say
• 1:05:30
  almost a unanimous non-stop deluge of vitriol and complaints
• 1:05:37
  from people saying how this was ruining mythic plus how tanks
• 1:05:42
  were dead, how Blizzard was out of touch.
• 1:05:45
  I blocked three people for the language they used towards the
• 1:05:48
  dev devs dev team just from this host alone.
• 1:05:55
  And then the servers came out and everybody got to test it and
• 1:06:01
  do you know what happened? It wasn't the end of mythic
• 1:06:05
  plus, it wasn't the end of tanks.
• 1:06:07
  Literally the very first poll I saw of the new build came out
• 1:06:13
  and it was somebody playing a guardian Druid and they pulled
• 1:06:16
  every single mob in a + 10 city of Echoes, Eric Cara into one of
• 1:06:23
  the lieutenants and then they cleared each platform in one
• 1:06:26
  poll. It was like what?
• 1:06:27
  All of the mobs into the Lieutenant 1 poll, All the mobs
• 1:06:30
  in Lieutenant 1 poll. And I'm like, what did you
• 1:06:34
  people just spend the last three hours whinging about?
• 1:06:39
  It was it was a very frustrating 4 hour window for me and then
• 1:06:43
  after that there was people who were coming over who were like
• 1:06:46
  some of the most vocal that this was a terrible change we're
• 1:06:49
  coming out like they should probably nervous more.
• 1:06:52
  Oh, these changes, these changes aren't actually bad at all.
• 1:06:55
  Oh, I don't notice any discernible difference Dealers
• 1:06:57
  saying yeah, I had to keep an eye on my tank more and more
• 1:07:00
  dangerous moments, but I didn't feel like I had to do anything
• 1:07:03
  extra to go above and beyond. It's good for the game.
• 1:07:09
  It's it was a change that, but when it came out and people
• 1:07:13
  tested it and actually got their hands on it was not the the end
• 1:07:18
  that was being proclaimed to being.
• 1:07:20
  The problem is people who saw the post and then saw the
• 1:07:24
  initial reaction on Twitter and then don't follow it or don't
• 1:07:27
  play it themselves or don't track all of this stuff.
• 1:07:29
  The videos on YouTube that go up that say, Hey, here's how
• 1:07:32
  terrible this is. You know, they watch that, but
• 1:07:35
  there's no retraction video that comes out the next day.
• 1:07:37
  It says, oh, don't hold on. I actually played it and turns
• 1:07:40
  out I was full of. I'm going to stop you there.
• 1:07:44
  You blocked those people who are vitriolic and you missed their
• 1:07:49
  like heartfelt, sincere apologies to the devs.
• 1:07:52
  No doubt that didn't happen. They were they just continued
• 1:07:56
  about their merry way. And it was like, and I, I saw
• 1:08:00
  some of these people that you're like I, I got to block this
• 1:08:03
  person and absolute silence after after the fact.
• 1:08:07
  So I, I get it. I was actually following a bunch
• 1:08:10
  of healers who were like, I got too much to deal with already.
• 1:08:13
  If I have to start babying the tank, it's going to be over sort
• 1:08:16
  of thing. And instead of taking like
• 1:08:19
  instead of like Dr. ING 104% of the damage, you are now Dr. ING
• 1:08:25
  like 86% of it. And so the healer has to throw a
• 1:08:29
  heel heel at you every, every little bit.
• 1:08:32
  To me, it is so much better because I don't understand how
• 1:08:38
  people look at Dragonflight and the complaints that we've had in
• 1:08:42
  season 2 and season three where it's like, oh, geez, the damage
• 1:08:46
  is too spiky. We get one, we get one shot and
• 1:08:49
  not realize that there's no in between and they need to carve
• 1:08:53
  out a space there. Yeah.
• 1:08:55
  I. I sent a tweet out if there's
• 1:08:58
  something genuinely wrong that doesn't play well, it doesn't
• 1:09:01
  feel right, that is affecting the game negatively.
• 1:09:03
  You need to be vocal. You need to let the team know.
• 1:09:05
  You need to do it in the forms. You need to do it on Twitter,
• 1:09:07
  wherever you can spread that word.
• 1:09:08
  But you need to do it respectfully and you need to do
• 1:09:10
  it with data and actual facts to back it up, not just feelings.
• 1:09:17
  And you also have to realize, and this is something that Manny
• 1:09:21
  taught me on this show, Mythic plus tuning and raid tuning as
• 1:09:27
  well doesn't happen in a bubble. Tanks are tuned separate of
• 1:09:32
  everything else. DPS isn't tuned separate of
• 1:09:35
  everything else. It's all part of one system.
• 1:09:39
  Though if tanks take a little more damage, that means they can
• 1:09:43
  turn down the dial that the that the mobs are doing, which means
• 1:09:47
  then they can strip back some of the DPS defensives, which
• 1:09:51
  everybody agrees is too much right now.
• 1:09:54
  So that DPS instead of getting one shot from these abilities
• 1:09:57
  are just taking, you know, a big chunk of damage.
• 1:09:59
  It's still engaging gameplay for the tanks because they're taking
• 1:10:03
  more damage. And then the healer has
• 1:10:05
  something like we completely removed a role date up B had a
• 1:10:08
  tweet out that was like, imagine if there was a season where you
• 1:10:11
  didn't need tanks and last season we didn't need healers
• 1:10:14
  for a lot of keys. He said.
• 1:10:15
  Imagine if there was a season where you didn't need tanks,
• 1:10:17
  where the mobs did so little damage that all DPS could just
• 1:10:19
  face tank them and people were running dungeons.
• 1:10:22
  Four DPS, one healer, no tanks. And then they brought back the
• 1:10:29
  ability that mobs are going to do damage to.
• 1:10:31
  The complaining that you're hearing right now is what it
• 1:10:34
  like that's the that's the equivalent of what's going on
• 1:10:36
  here. There was a whole season we
• 1:10:37
  didn't need healers. We basically told an entire role
• 1:10:40
  of people you're not needed in this content.
• 1:10:45
  They got to bring it back in and then you know people are going
• 1:10:47
  to say, oh, they're bring it back in with rot damage, bring
• 1:10:49
  them back in with a consistent AOE.
• 1:10:51
  You're. Already you're not a game.
• 1:10:58
  Dev, obviously you're not a game dev, so if you think you can do
• 1:11:03
  better, apply. They're hiring, they've got a
• 1:11:05
  union. It's great.
• 1:11:07
  Sorry, I don't know. I get really I'm I love the
• 1:11:12
  deaths. I love this game.
• 1:11:13
  I love what they've created for us.
• 1:11:14
  I know how hard they work. It's tireless hours and it's
• 1:11:17
  thankless and I just want people to have some consideration and
• 1:11:21
  and the react culture that we have that a post comes out, we
• 1:11:25
  hate it. A post comes out, we hate it, we
• 1:11:27
  play it, it's fine. A post comes out, we hate it, we
• 1:11:29
  play it. It's fine.
• 1:11:30
  It happened last week or this week.
• 1:11:32
  It happens every week. I'm really sorry, Manny.
• 1:11:34
  This is a hot topic for me anyway.
• 1:11:36
  The tanks are fine. The tuning feels great and just
• 1:11:41
  chill. Please try not to react to
• 1:11:44
  everything like somebody just kicked you in the face.
• 1:11:47
  There was a. Period of time 5X you're still
• 1:11:49
  on the. Christmas card list.
• 1:11:52
  Sorry you're. Done.
• 1:11:54
  I'm done. I'm all done.
• 1:11:56
  There was a period. Of time around shadow lands when
• 1:11:59
  I was relatively vocally making the argument that it made sense
• 1:12:06
  that people were. And I meant this more in terms
• 1:12:09
  of lore. But like, I could understand why
• 1:12:11
  people were having immediate negative reactions and were
• 1:12:16
  assuming worst intentions and assuming bad faith when things
• 1:12:21
  came out because we had a history that we could point to
• 1:12:24
  of like things being done poorly or things needing rework.
• 1:12:27
  I don't know. I, I will say I, I don't know
• 1:12:29
  with the benefit of a couple of years whether I actually still
• 1:12:32
  believe that that might have been a bad take back then.
• 1:12:35
  But what I want to say is if you are going to say, well, in the
• 1:12:41
  past, the devs have screwed up. So we should assume like, you
• 1:12:43
  know, it's reasonable to assume they're going to continue to
• 1:12:45
  screw up. I think you need to be prepared
• 1:12:47
  to the opposite too. And recently the devs have been
• 1:12:50
  just like absolutely knocking it out of the park.
• 1:12:54
  Like we have just consistently been seeing them listen and fix
• 1:12:58
  things and fix things with like with a lot of thought and a lot
• 1:13:01
  of care and move pieces together and not just move individual
• 1:13:04
  things and listen and, and walk things back when they realize
• 1:13:08
  they made a mistake. And so I think at this point, if
• 1:13:13
  you are approaching things from the devs with the mindset of,
• 1:13:18
  oh, this is going to be bad there.
• 1:13:20
  If there's two different ways that this could go, it's gonna
• 1:13:22
  go the bad one. It's gonna go the one where the
• 1:13:23
  dev didn't pay attention and didn't listen.
• 1:13:25
  Like you just want to be mad, which like, you know, whatever,
• 1:13:27
  sometimes we will I go on Facebook because sometimes I
• 1:13:30
  want to be mad like it happened, but just, you know, own it,
• 1:13:33
  right? Like, oh, that's that's your
• 1:13:35
  goal going in. I am.
• 1:13:37
  Glad that they have made these changes.
• 1:13:40
  I think that now that we've been playing through them, it's it's
• 1:13:44
  been pretty good. I was concerned about like the
• 1:13:47
  extra drain on the resources of healers and such and maybe that
• 1:13:51
  would make them go umm and we'd have to be going back to like a
• 1:13:54
  mythic plus meta where it's like, OK, healer needs to stop
• 1:13:58
  and drink. We're all taking a little break
• 1:14:00
  here. And I kind of like the more
• 1:14:01
  smooth stuff that we've been getting to, but that hasn't been
• 1:14:04
  the case. And I have had like my own stuff
• 1:14:08
  where I've been like I've seen, I've seen them mess this up
• 1:14:13
  before. And I'm little worried about
• 1:14:15
  this. But big thing that Sean said
• 1:14:20
  just now that I think everybody needs to take the heart is
• 1:14:23
  listen to Manny. No, the thing that that Sean
• 1:14:26
  said is come with data, right? Like being able to like actually
• 1:14:32
  test through it and be like, OK, this is what it feels.
• 1:14:34
  You don't have to be a theory crafter.
• 1:14:36
  You don't need to be able to break down what the values are.
• 1:14:40
  You just need to be that in my playthrough, and this is roughly
• 1:14:43
  about what what I play through, I don't typically do mythic
• 1:14:46
  plus. I'm doing this on on the heroic
• 1:14:48
  level because that's what I want to.
• 1:14:50
  That's what I typically do. This still feels strenuous,
• 1:14:53
  right? That is something that they can
• 1:14:55
  look at and maybe they adjust where Heroic is independently of
• 1:14:59
  where Mythic 0, Mythic Plus is. But I think that that sort of
• 1:15:04
  feedback needs to be backed with actual hands on experience or
• 1:15:10
  data that is brought from that experience.
• 1:15:13
  So 100%, I think you've said everything that needs to be said
• 1:15:17
  on this, Sean. Unless you have something else
• 1:15:19
  to say, show's over. You guys, no more Forever Us.
• 1:15:22
  It's never being published again.
• 1:15:24
  Sean, this is the final. Episode.
• 1:15:26
  Sean said everything that needed to be said.
• 1:15:30
  There you go. Done.
• 1:15:32
  That's the last time Manny ever threw a topic to Sean.
• 1:15:37
  Well, if you want to catch the next episode of For Us off, we
• 1:15:41
  are every Wednesdays on FAZ, which is twitch.tv/true Villain
• 1:15:47
  Manny. That's true without the E and
• 1:15:49
  you can join us in the discord at bit dot LY slash Fast
• 1:15:52
  discord. Until next time guys, may all
• 1:15:55
  your hits be goods. But there won't be a next time
• 1:15:57
  because fast we're Joker friends.
• 1:16:01
  We're Joker.