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Pivoting from Medicine to Real Estate and Becoming a Children's Book Author with Dr. Michele Cho Dorado · Physicians and Properties

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  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: so when I start talking about limiting beliefs and mindset shift, it was that I learned that I can do things outside of medicine.
• 0:07
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: I can be a doctor and the other things I can be a real estate investor, be an author, be an entrepreneur.
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  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: These are all things that came much later, but it took a long time for me to kind of open up my own mind and get past my own limiting beliefs to realize that these are things that I'm capable of because for so long.
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  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: It was just a story.
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  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: I told myself that, I could not do these other things.
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  Dr. Alex Schloe: Welcome to the Physicians and Properties Podcast.
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  Dr. Alex Schloe: The show where we teach you how investing in real estate can give you the freedom to practice medicine and live life how you want.
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  Dr. Alex Schloe: Doctor! Doctor! Doctor! Doctor! Doctor! Now, here's your host, Dr.
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  Dr. Alex Schloe: Alex Schlo.
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  Dr. Alex Schloe: Hello everyone.
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  Dr. Alex Schloe: Welcome to another episode of the Physicians and Properties Podcast.
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  Dr. Alex Schloe: I'm your host, Dr.
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  Dr. Alex Schloe: Alex Shillow.
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  Dr. Alex Schloe: Tonight's a really fun episode.
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  Dr. Alex Schloe: it's a bit different than other episodes that we've done.
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  Dr. Alex Schloe: This one is not really heavily focused on real estate.
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  Dr. Alex Schloe: This one is actually focused.
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  Dr. Alex Schloe: On a children's book author, really cool podcasts and in just very unique Dr.
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  Dr. Alex Schloe: Michelle Cho Dorado is joining us today.
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  Dr. Alex Schloe: She was a pediatric gastroenterologist and she's now transitioned as a medical director doing utilization review, which has given her time to focus on some other things that she loves, her family.
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  Dr. Alex Schloe: Becoming a children's book author, investing in real estate and many more things as well.
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  Dr. Alex Schloe: She wrote an incredible book called reach for the stars.
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  Dr. Alex Schloe: And we were even so lucky to get a copy of it sent to the Schloe household, which my son, Jack really enjoyed an incredible children's book that helps introduce basic financial concepts to kids in a way that they can understand in a way to give them that financial knowledge that they'll need going forward.
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  Dr. Alex Schloe: I really wish we had books like this when I was a kid.
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  Dr. Alex Schloe: I think it would have been a complete game changer.
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  Dr. Alex Schloe: So without any further ado, let's go ahead and start this episode.
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  Dr. Alex Schloe: Thank you so much.
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  Dr. Alex Schloe: Let's get started with this awesome episode with Dr.
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  Dr. Alex Schloe: Michelle Cho Dorado.
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  Dr. Alex Schloe: Hey everyone.
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  Dr. Alex Schloe: Welcome to another episode of the physicians and properties podcast.
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  Dr. Alex Schloe: So glad that you're here today.
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  Dr. Alex Schloe: We have a really cool guest.
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  Dr. Alex Schloe: My friend, Dr.
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  Dr. Alex Schloe: Michelle Cho Dorado is here with us.
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  Dr. Alex Schloe: Typically we focus largely on real estate for physicians and properties, but this is a really cool opportunity to talk about some real estate and a whole nother Avenue, of business.
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  Dr. Alex Schloe: Writing children's books.
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  Dr. Alex Schloe: So it's going to be a really cool podcast and a really cool opportunity to hear about something that we probably all thought about doing.
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  Dr. Alex Schloe: I know I have, and don't think I have the creative abilities to actually do that.
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  Dr. Alex Schloe: So it'd be really cool to hear from an incredible author.
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  Dr. Alex Schloe: So Michelle, so glad that you're here.
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  Dr. Alex Schloe: How are you doing?
• 2:49
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: I'm good.
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  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: Thank you so much for having me on today.
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  Dr. Alex Schloe: Absolutely.
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  Dr. Alex Schloe: Thanks for your time.
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  Dr. Alex Schloe: I'm really glad to have you here.
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  Dr. Alex Schloe: So if you don't mind just kind of telling the audience a little bit about your journey into medicine, that'd be fantastic.
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  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: So I'm by training a pediatric gastroenterologist.
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  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: And I guess the short version is that I practice for about 8 years and, I think.
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  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: Eight years into practice, I just at some point realized that I, had not received much financial education and just kind of got to this point where I kind of felt financially illiterate.
• 3:20
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: and around that time, I had come across some communities of other doctors and just realized that, I really am not.
• 3:27
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: The only one, like, it's not a unique story, a lot of doctors go through all this training and are very poor through residency and fellowship and then start making attending salaries and, come upon making, double triple their income and just don't really know how to manage it well.
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  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: And, I was definitely in that boat.
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  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: many doctors find themselves.
• 3:46
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: It like highly in debt and, just things like investing and real estate, kind of what you're talking about here was never on my radar and so, around this time, like I mentioned, I kind of came across the community of physicians who are talking about.
• 3:59
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: Finance and talking about financial discussions and then I came across a group of doctors that talked about real estate and it was just kind of, it just blew my mind.
• 4:07
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: I started learning more about that and it just, for me really was a mindset shift for me.
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  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: I just at that until that point had always thought I was just, only good in medicine.
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  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: I never considered thinking about business, or I just kind of assumed I wasn't good with money.
• 4:24
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: And it's just 1 of those things where, I had all these living beliefs about, who I was and what I could do.
• 4:30
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: And.
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  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: Once I started kind of learning more about this and educating myself, I started reading up on, personal finance and real estate investing and mindset and personal growth and tax strategies and it just kind of, like, opened up my mind to what's out there.
• 4:47
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: So.
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  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: Kind of going back to the beginning, you asked me to talk about my journey in medicine.
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  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: It really changed the trajectory of my career actually, because I think once I started, learning all these new things about myself, I was also in the transition of.
• 5:02
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: Leaving practice, I have 2 young kids and had thought about leaving practice to rebalance work life balance, I guess I can say and, so in that transition, I left practice, started working in utilization review as a medical director, to work remotely and have more flexibility with my time.
• 5:21
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: And that allowed me to have more mental energy to kind of focus on some of these other things that, I guess we can discuss, but including real estate and writing a book.
• 5:32
  Dr. Alex Schloe: That's awesome.
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  Dr. Alex Schloe: You've, done a lot.
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  Dr. Alex Schloe: What were, some limiting beliefs that you had?
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  Dr. Alex Schloe: It sounds like kind of more imposter syndrome to a degree, or like you had the lack of financial education.
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  Dr. Alex Schloe: So you were kind of scared to take the next steps or, or take the leap.
• 5:44
  Dr. Alex Schloe: Is that kind of what I'm hearing?
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  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: Well, I would say that all throughout training fellowship, even early on in my career, I just had always assumed that I wasn't good with money.
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  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: And it's something that I'd never taken the time to learn because I just told myself I, it was something that I wasn't good at.
• 6:02
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: So, It was kind of like out of sight, out of mind kind of thing.
• 6:06
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: And, it wasn't until I got married and my husband kind of started planting some seeds about, paths to retirement and making passive income.
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  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: And these are things I just had never even thought about.
• 6:17
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: And so one of the biggest limiting beliefs for me was that I wasn't good with money.
• 6:21
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: And so I just.
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  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: Again, didn't really take the time to understand it because I didn't think I would understand even if I tried and then the other thing was that the only thing I could do was medicine, I feel like when you follow medicine, it's just such a narrow path and you're so focused on getting to the next step.
• 6:38
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: Right?
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  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: Going from medical school to residency to fellowship.
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  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: There's always that next laid out for you.
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  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: And so there's not really much room to wiggle out of that.
• 6:47
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: And I was.
• 6:47
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: Yeah.
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  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: Typical type a, like, work hard, type of medical student and physician, where.
• 6:53
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: that's where my focus was and that was my whole identity.
• 6:56
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: And so when I start talking about limiting beliefs and mindset shift, it was that I learned that I can do things outside of medicine.
• 7:04
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: I can be a doctor and the other things I can be a real estate investor, be an author, be an entrepreneur.
• 7:10
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: These are all things that came much later, but it took a long time for me to kind of open up my own mind and get past my own limiting beliefs to realize that these are things that I'm capable of because for so long.
• 7:21
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: It was just a story.
• 7:22
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: I told myself that, I could not do these other things.
• 7:24
  Dr. Alex Schloe: Yeah, I think it's really hard to, to overcome those limiting beliefs is exactly what you said.
• 7:29
  Dr. Alex Schloe: We get so focused on being a doctor and taking care of patients and residency.
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  Dr. Alex Schloe: And like you said, that whole path is laid out for us.
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  Dr. Alex Schloe: And then we get to that point and for whatever reason, start to think about, Hey, maybe there is something else that I want to do, or some other interests I have, or I want to invest.
• 7:43
  Dr. Alex Schloe: I want to do business, but then you're like, well, I've spent all this time to become a pediatric gastroenterologist or a family medicine doctor, like.
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  Dr. Alex Schloe: I feel like sometimes you almost think like, Oh, was that wrong of me to have spent all this time doing that, to then kind of pivot towards something else.
• 7:57
  Dr. Alex Schloe: Is that something that you struggled with at all?
• 8:00
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: Yeah, definitely.
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  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: It was a huge identity crisis because for me again, For so long, I felt my calling was to go into medicine and be a pediatric gastrologist and so when I started thinking about even transitioning out of practice, it took me a couple of years actually to process that transition because it was from when I had my 1st kids when I had my 2nd, which was about 2 years and I just couldn't emotionally process it.
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  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: I was still fairly young in my career.
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  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: And, there were some other things going on.
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  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: I think that, we had talked about moving geographically.
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  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: And so, doing this allowed that transition as well.
• 8:32
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: But, yeah, it was a hard transition because again, for me to leave something that I thought was my calling and then do something different.
• 8:40
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: And now I have found fulfillment and fulfilling my passion in other ways, but.
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  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: It wasn't until I was able to kind of get past some of those things, like, the limiting beliefs that we talked about before.
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  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: And no regrets now.
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  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: I mean, obviously, I feel very lucky and thankful for, like, where we're at now, but it was a bit of a tough transition just emotionally and, again, like, you understand, like, you put so much into getting to where you are.
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  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: And so, to leave that behind, it was difficult.
• 9:06
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: Yeah.
• 9:08
  Dr. Alex Schloe: vulnerable and sharing that.
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  Dr. Alex Schloe: I'm sure there's people listening to this that are in a similar position who really want to take that next leap, but they're scared what that might look like.
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  Dr. Alex Schloe: So thanks for sharing that.
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  Dr. Alex Schloe: Was there any specific, like books or podcasts or, resources that were really helpful for you in that transition and you started to educate yourself more?
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  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: Yeah.
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  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: So, I think this is a common book for a lot of people that start out, down this path, but rich dad, poor dad was definitely one of them.
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  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: And then just when it came to learning about like personal finance, I feel like the simple path of wealth was a really good one for me.
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  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: That was one of the startup books I read.
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  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: And then when I got into real estate investing, I read, Brandon Turner's real estate book.
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  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: I read, the millionaire investor.
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  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: Actually, that year that I left practice and started working remotely, I'll have to tell you, I just had so much more mental energy that I read a ton that year.
• 9:58
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: I can give you like a list of 20 books, that year that I read but those are some of the beginning ones that were helpful in terms of mindset.
• 10:05
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: I think the ones that have been the most impactful for me have been the GoGiver, which is one of them.
• 10:11
  Dr. Alex Schloe: that book.
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  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: The gap, in the gain.
• 10:14
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: who not how those were some of the top ones that I felt were the most impactful.
• 10:18
  Dr. Alex Schloe: Those are all fantastic books.
• 10:20
  Dr. Alex Schloe: If you haven't read any of those books that Michelle just talked about, you have to, they're game changers for sure.
• 10:25
  Dr. Alex Schloe: And we'll put some links to those in the show notes.
• 10:27
  Dr. Alex Schloe: So check those out.
• 10:28
  Dr. Alex Schloe: Yeah, all great books, it's fun.
• 10:30
  Dr. Alex Schloe: Cause everyone's journey, it seems like for the most part starts with rich dad, poor dad.
• 10:34
  Dr. Alex Schloe: It just, and that also is just such a huge mindset shift from, assets and liabilities and just really the, freedom that can come with financial freedom and cashflow and passive income.
• 10:43
  Dr. Alex Schloe: That book is a game changer.
• 10:44
  Dr. Alex Schloe: My journey started the same way with, the good old purple book.
• 10:47
  Dr. Alex Schloe: Also, well, what did things look like from a real estate perspective for you after the pivot?
• 10:53
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: So, in that transition where, I was leaving practice, so I had to give 6 month notice to my group.
• 10:58
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: So, I had 6 months to kind of plan our move and kind of make that transition and in that time frame is when I came across the group of physicians that talked about real estate and I ended up, kind of taking, like, getting plugged into a real estate community, and learned and did some reading that way.
• 11:16
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: And so, because we were, I was in Chicago at the time, and we were moving to Charlotte, North Carolina, Charlotte, North Carolina, the real estate market was really hot at that time, and so, once we planted our roots here and bought a house, like our primary residence, which we bought without actually even seeing it because it was during COVID.
• 11:36
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: Once we plan our seeds here, then we started purchasing properties here and started looking.
• 11:41
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: So, Charlotte's been our primary market, but yeah, we have gotten a couple properties here.
• 11:47
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: And, started doing some syndications as well and like investing passively, I mean, not running syndications, but, so we've kind of have a little bit of a diverse portfolio with, long term rental, short term rentals and, passive, investments.
• 11:59
  Dr. Alex Schloe: That's awesome.
• 12:00
  Dr. Alex Schloe: what's been your favorite investment vehicle?
• 12:03
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: Well, the long term rentals are, I would say, very steady and, At least in my opinion.
• 12:08
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: But the STRs have been fun.
• 12:11
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: I mean, they're like a little up and down, and, depending on where you're at, it can be a bit seasonal.
• 12:15
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: But I've been enjoying it.
• 12:16
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: Like, I actually, we've been managing everything on our own and.
• 12:19
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: it surprised me that I enjoy it as much.
• 12:22
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: Like I feel like it, there's some hospitality, that's involved and I haven't minded at all.
• 12:27
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: I haven't minded interacting with the guests and it's been actually pretty fun.
• 12:31
  Dr. Alex Schloe: I'd agree.
• 12:31
  Dr. Alex Schloe: we have a couple of short term rentals as well.
• 12:33
  Dr. Alex Schloe: And it's really fun, interacting with them.
• 12:35
  Dr. Alex Schloe: Definitely seems like everything breaks at the worst time.
• 12:38
  Dr. Alex Schloe: it's always like Saturday morning or Friday night or something like that.
• 12:42
  Dr. Alex Schloe: But, uh, it has been a lot of fun.
• 12:44
  Dr. Alex Schloe: Yeah, we just had a guest up at one of our properties up in Colorado and the mountains and, the power went out early in the morning and They were calling me and, I, and I was trying to talk them through like checking the breakers and all these other things while we checked all these things.
• 12:56
  Dr. Alex Schloe: And I was like, I'm, I'm sorry, there's really nothing else that we can do at this point.
• 12:59
  Dr. Alex Schloe: We've talked to the power company and they were all upset.
• 13:02
  Dr. Alex Schloe: And then ultimately, like an hour later, the power company turned the power back on.
• 13:05
  Dr. Alex Schloe: Everything was fine, but it always seems like it's right at, least opportune time term at all.
• 13:10
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: We had in North Carolina, like, really cold, freezing weather over Christmas and there were pipes were freezing, like, all over the state and we had a guest, like, on Christmas Eve, the pipes froze and so it had no water.
• 13:27
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: luckily they had, been displaced from another home where the pipes had, I think, burst.
• 13:32
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: And so they ended up coming to our place and because they had to leave another Airbnb because pipes burst to come to our place.
• 13:39
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: Like, they were a little bit more, in a rush to leave.
• 13:41
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: Yeah, to your point, Christmas Eve.
• 13:43
  Dr. Alex Schloe: Yeah.
• 13:44
  Dr. Alex Schloe: Christmas Eve.
• 13:44
  Dr. Alex Schloe: Exactly.
• 13:45
  Dr. Alex Schloe: it's always something, it is fun though.
• 13:46
  Dr. Alex Schloe: it's a blast, like getting to be a part of people's vacations and experiences.
• 13:50
  Dr. Alex Schloe: my wife does a lot of interior design and photography work and so forth.
• 13:54
  Dr. Alex Schloe: And so, it's been really cool for her to, to design these properties and stage them and photograph them.
• 13:58
  Dr. Alex Schloe: And, it's been a fun way to get to invest in real estate together.
• 14:02
  Dr. Alex Schloe: So that's really cool.
• 14:03
  Dr. Alex Schloe: are the short term rentals and longterm rentals, are those all in North Carolina for you?
• 14:06
  Dr. Alex Schloe: Yeah.
• 14:07
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: Yeah,
• 14:07
  Dr. Alex Schloe: cool.
• 14:08
  Dr. Alex Schloe: Very cool.
• 14:09
  Dr. Alex Schloe: That's awesome.
• 14:09
  Dr. Alex Schloe: Well, let's talk about the book.
• 14:11
  Dr. Alex Schloe: Like, what was the idea behind writing a children's book and becoming an author?
• 14:16
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: so kind of going back to what I had mentioned earlier about just my own feeling and realization of being financially illiterate.
• 14:23
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: I mean, I was like, almost 40, when I'm like, learning these things and so we had at the time had very young kids and, my husband and I we just decided that, our kids were going to learn these things early on.
• 14:33
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: And even though they were 1 in 3 at the time, there's some resources out there, I would say, for like, older kids, teens and things like that, but there really wasn't a lot that I could find for like, that really young age group.
• 14:43
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: And, obviously they can't even read yet.
• 14:45
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: So, it was just something that I felt like I wanted to provide a resource for my own kids and I made it in the form of like, a picture book just to be kind of fun.
• 14:52
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: And and my thought was that, I'm just going to introduce these words to them, just exposing them to the words if they hear it, then hopefully over time, they hear it enough and it sinks in and they'll at least like, recognize what these words are.
• 15:04
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: And so that was kind of my thought behind it.
• 15:05
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: And then, again, it was another thing where I was like, it was hard for me to see myself as an author, like, I didn't call myself an author?
• 15:11
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: for so long.
• 15:12
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: And I didn't even actually tell anybody that I was writing a book for until like, right before it came out, because, I don't know, like.
• 15:19
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: It was just like a mindset block, I guess.
• 15:21
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: But yeah, anyway, so I got the book published and it just came out this past year in March and it's been exciting.
• 15:29
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: once I got things started moving and like the book came out, I felt like there was more To provide in terms of content.
• 15:37
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: And I just kind of wanted to share more of, what I'd been learning and help other parents too.
• 15:41
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: And so then I developed a platform, the bright futures EEG platform to start sharing more of the content.
• 15:47
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: And I'm working on developing that just cause I felt like there was more to it and there was a greater purpose behind it than just, one book.
• 15:53
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: So yeah, that's kind of how that started.
• 15:56
  Dr. Alex Schloe: that's so cool.
• 15:56
  Dr. Alex Schloe: I want to talk to you kind of more about the process, like how you come up with it and get it illustrated and all those sorts of things.
• 16:02
  Dr. Alex Schloe: But I do want to thank you first for sending me a copy, to my son, Jack.
• 16:05
  Dr. Alex Schloe: We, read it, we got it yesterday.
• 16:07
  Dr. Alex Schloe: We read it tonight.
• 16:08
  Dr. Alex Schloe: And it was really fun, really great book.
• 16:10
  Dr. Alex Schloe: Thank you.
• 16:11
  Dr. Alex Schloe: He loved it for multiple reasons.
• 16:12
  Dr. Alex Schloe: One, the main character's name is Mimi and, Mimi is, is Jack's grandma's name.
• 16:17
  Dr. Alex Schloe: So Mimi, if you're listening to this, we were talking about you a lot tonight, and also he's really into space and it's all about, reaching for the stars.
• 16:24
  Dr. Alex Schloe: And, and Mimi is saving up to try and buy this telescope that she really wants, and she's learning about investing and, learning a lot of financial principles as the book goes on.
• 16:33
  Dr. Alex Schloe: And it was really cool.
• 16:34
  Dr. Alex Schloe: Jack, really wants to buy a rocket ship though.
• 16:36
  Dr. Alex Schloe: So he's going to have to save a little bit longer for that.
• 16:39
  Dr. Alex Schloe: But, but yeah, it was a great book.
• 16:40
  Dr. Alex Schloe: Thanks so much for sending it.
• 16:42
  Dr. Alex Schloe: And we'll be sure to put links to it in the, in the show notes.
• 16:45
  Dr. Alex Schloe: But getting back to it.
• 16:46
  Dr. Alex Schloe: So how did you come up with the title reach for the stars and how long did it take you to develop this book and kind of figure out the, the whole, timeline of writing it and getting it published, what did that all look like for you?
• 16:57
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: It was totally new for me and there's a lot to learn in the process.
• 17:02
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: I just, was totally naive to the whole process.
• 17:04
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: And so, I just joined, like, different author groups just to kind of learn.
• 17:08
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: And at the beginning, like nothing resonated.
• 17:11
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: I just, I didn't know what anyone was talking about.
• 17:13
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: But from beginning to end, Just.
• 17:15
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: From writing the manuscript to it actually getting published.
• 17:19
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: It was a two year process for me.
• 17:21
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: I'm sure, like, once you kind of know what to do and, have your people in place, it's much faster.
• 17:26
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: But yeah, for me, because it was my first time and I just really like knew nothing about it.
• 17:31
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: it took 2 years from beginning to end.
• 17:33
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: But I just learned who to.
• 17:35
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: get on my team.
• 17:36
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: I think the illustrator probably was the biggest part of it.
• 17:39
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: Because I think, pictures will really bring your story to life.
• 17:43
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: And so finding an illustrator that resonates with your story, I think is important.
• 17:47
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: So I was, really happy and thankful to find a good illustrator.
• 17:52
  Dr. Alex Schloe: That's awesome.
• 17:52
  Dr. Alex Schloe: Yeah.
• 17:53
  Dr. Alex Schloe: The illustrations are fantastic, very colorful and engaging.
• 17:56
  Dr. Alex Schloe: How, when you're looking for an illustrator, are you like looking at Upwork or Fiverr or is there a different resource that you go to to find illustrators for children
• 18:04
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: so I have heard of people looking on Fivver and Upwork or even there's some author Facebook communities where there are illustrators on there.
• 18:13
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: So people will.
• 18:14
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: connect through that medium.
• 18:16
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: I personally found my illustrator on a, there's like a society of children's book authors and writers and illustrators.
• 18:23
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: So that's where I found mine.
• 18:25
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: I just went through different people's portfolios and kind of found one that resonated, and like with the style.
• 18:30
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: And then I just reached out to her and she was actually the first person I reached out to and we just connected.
• 18:35
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: So she's an illustrator out of Japan and we just FaceTimed and just, like, she's laid back.
• 18:41
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: I was laid back and I was like, in a rush.
• 18:43
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: And, just our conversation was easy.
• 18:46
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: And so I was able to kind of get across what I was looking for.
• 18:48
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: And, that worked out.
• 18:49
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: Well, and then everything else is kind of like, I found an editor who kind of helped develop and, Help with certain parts of the story.
• 18:56
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: And then, part of the story was in addition to just financial words, I really wanted to also inspire kids to think big and, be bold and be confident and share their ideas.
• 19:07
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: And so that's part of the story as well as empowering kids to, be leaders and be entrepreneurs and think big for themselves.
• 19:14
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: And so that's part of the story as well.
• 19:17
  Dr. Alex Schloe: Yeah, I really like to how you tied in giving as part of it, Mimi's saving up for her telescope, working really hard, right?
• 19:24
  Dr. Alex Schloe: Or lemonade stand.
• 19:25
  Dr. Alex Schloe: And then, but she's also taking some of her money and buying her family Christmas presents.
• 19:30
  Dr. Alex Schloe: And it was really cool to see that be a piece of it as well.
• 19:33
  Dr. Alex Schloe: And, and donating some to charity.
• 19:35
  Dr. Alex Schloe: And then she still has enough money to buy her telescope ultimately, and it's still really happy with that.
• 19:40
  Dr. Alex Schloe: And so I think that's a really cool piece, for kids to hear as well.
• 19:43
  Dr. Alex Schloe: And kind of get introduced also to how great it is to give and how good it feels to give.
• 19:48
  Dr. Alex Schloe: And so I think that was really cool.
• 19:50
  Dr. Alex Schloe: So thanks for including that as well.
• 19:51
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: Thank you.
• 19:52
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: I think also, like, having some delayed gratification.
• 19:55
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: I think kids are just, especially lately, everything's so prime.
• 19:58
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: Everyone's so primed to just get instant gratification and just, watching TV and the media and the way advertising, targets kids.
• 20:05
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: I think that, it's very hard to giving and kind of sharing and waiting and, that all those types of things.
• 20:13
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: Yeah,
• 20:13
  Dr. Alex Schloe: it sure is.
• 20:14
  Dr. Alex Schloe: It's good to have good resources like this to help with that for sure.
• 20:18
  Dr. Alex Schloe: As a parent, what did your kids think about you being an author and writing a book?
• 20:22
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: So they love it.
• 20:23
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: I think, I included some of, inspiration from them in the book.
• 20:28
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: And so, like I said, Mimi was the name of my son's baby blanket.
• 20:32
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: And so, that's the name of the character.
• 20:35
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: So they see that.
• 20:35
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: And then, I actually sent a picture of...
• 20:38
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: My family like a Christmas card to my illustrator and there's parts of the story like with the family sitting together where she kind of like makes it look like us a little bit.
• 20:48
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: And so, they think that's funny.
• 20:51
  Dr. Alex Schloe: That's gotta be so cool.
• 20:52
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: And then, I was able to do, an author vendor event, this past spring.
• 20:56
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: And so the kids came with, and so that was fun for them to be there and kind of watch people come and buy the book.
• 21:02
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: And, they were, they seemed very proud, which was, fun to see.
• 21:07
  Dr. Alex Schloe: That's really cool.
• 21:08
  Dr. Alex Schloe: What is it like getting a book published?
• 21:10
  Dr. Alex Schloe: Is, is it a lot of kind of back and forth, back and forth or how's that process work?
• 21:16
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: So, it depends.
• 21:17
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: There's a difference between getting traditionally published and self publishing and so, when you get traditionally published, all the pieces of getting a book together are in house and so they do all of that for you.
• 21:30
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: It's just hard to get traditionally published.
• 21:33
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: And, people have asked me about that.
• 21:34
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: So, my advice would be.
• 21:36
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: To find a literary agent 1st, I actually, I didn't know to get an agent when I 1st looked into this.
• 21:41
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: I had thought about getting traditionally published and I pitched my manuscript to publishers just individually, like people that were publishers that were accepting submissions.
• 21:51
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: I didn't know about getting a literary agent.
• 21:53
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: So I just pitched to publishing companies that were accepting submissions I ended up getting to contract offers from hybrid publishers, which is, like, you, you put some of the upfront cost and then they, they, they publish it and they do some marketing.
• 22:09
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: Okay.
• 22:09
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: I just didn't know enough about the process at the time, and people had, given me different advice, like, I guess, varying advice about working with hybrid publishers, although I do know some people that have gone that route, but at the time, I had already, had an illustrator.
• 22:23
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: I had my editor.
• 22:24
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: And all the pieces that a publisher would normally do for you.
• 22:28
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: I had kind of already done on my own.
• 22:30
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: And so, I just chose at the end to self publish, which was a good decision for myself, but, it's like anything.
• 22:38
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: I knew everyone's journey is so different.
• 22:40
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: And so I think, depending on what your goals are with the book, some people.
• 22:44
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: Prefer to try to find a traditional publisher.
• 22:46
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: Some people want to self publish, you have a little bit more control, but then like marketing can be difficult.
• 22:53
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: And so sometimes the publisher, depending on, how much of a budget they're willing to give for you can help market your book.
• 23:01
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: But from what I know.
• 23:03
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: Most of the big publishers will really only take submissions through an agent.
• 23:08
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: So that would be my advice for anybody wanting to traditional publish.
• 23:12
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: I would suggest finding an agent.
• 23:14
  Dr. Alex Schloe: Very cool.
• 23:14
  Dr. Alex Schloe: Yeah.
• 23:14
  Dr. Alex Schloe: Thanks for that.
• 23:15
  Dr. Alex Schloe: That's really helpful.
• 23:16
  Dr. Alex Schloe: What's the next steps for writing children's books?
• 23:19
  Dr. Alex Schloe: Is this going to become a series for you
• 23:21
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: So I am actually working on a series, so I do hope to have some more Yeah.
• 23:24
  Dr. Alex Schloe: That's awesome.
• 23:25
  Dr. Alex Schloe: still along the financial education pathway, I'm assuming.
• 23:28
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: Yeah, I definitely want to kind of expand on that and I feel like there's more to teach in that realm, so Yeah,
• 23:33
  Dr. Alex Schloe: yeah, absolutely.
• 23:35
  Dr. Alex Schloe: Well, let's pivot a little bit to bright futures EDG and what do you, hope that to look like and, and what's kind of the big goal for that going forward, I know, certainly financial education for children and we need a whole lot of it, so I'm really excited about this platform.
• 23:49
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: Yeah, so this is mostly more like education and content.
• 23:53
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: So it's still developing.
• 23:54
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: It's still in the early phases, but I just launched a blog post section and doing some newsletters.
• 24:01
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: But, again, I want to develop my book series to kind of supplement that and there's a bunch of like activity sheets on there.
• 24:08
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: So it's a website.
• 24:09
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: Where all the activity sheets are downloadable for free, and it's just like little a mix of like fun and active fun activities and educational things like mazes and word searches, but then things where, kids can match money like coins and dollars, just to kind of expose them that way visually.
• 24:24
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: And then, also, like there's a growth mindset piece to it as well and all these things that I feel like I learned in the past year and how I've grown, I feel like, why can't we teach our kids those things too?
• 24:34
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: Because I think they go hand in hand with financial literacy.
• 24:37
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: Honestly, I think, when you're more financially literate and also like, Thinking positively, feeling empowered.
• 24:43
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: I think it builds leadership.
• 24:45
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: I think it builds self confidence, and I think these are all things that, our age kids growing up in this generation, I think would really benefit from.
• 24:54
  Dr. Alex Schloe: Yeah, that's really cool.
• 24:55
  Dr. Alex Schloe: I completely agree, and really excited to see how this grows for you.
• 24:59
  Dr. Alex Schloe: And I'm definitely gonna sign up for the newsletter.
• 25:01
  Dr. Alex Schloe: And I know, Jack will really enjoy with this free activity sheet.
• 25:04
  Dr. Alex Schloe: So thanks for putting all that out there for free.
• 25:06
  Dr. Alex Schloe: It's really cool.
• 25:07
  Dr. Alex Schloe: And it's going to be really helpful for a lot of kids.
• 25:09
  Dr. Alex Schloe: Certainly, if us as physicians don't get any financial education, I didn't get it as a kid either.
• 25:15
  Dr. Alex Schloe: So, it's so great that all these kids are going to be reached by this and have that at least foundation for financial knowledge going forward.
• 25:22
  Dr. Alex Schloe: So I think they're going to be in a way better place than we were for sure.
• 25:25
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: I hope so.
• 25:26
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: That's definitely my goal.
• 25:27
  Dr. Alex Schloe: That's really cool.
• 25:28
  Dr. Alex Schloe: how long do you think it'll be before you get another book out?
• 25:31
  Dr. Alex Schloe: Do you think this one will be a little bit faster than two years, or I think it'll be about the same timeline.
• 25:35
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: I think so.
• 25:36
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: So I do actually have some manuscripts with my illustrator now that she's working on.
• 25:41
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: So I hope by the end of this year to have at least another book out.
• 25:44
  Dr. Alex Schloe: That'll be awesome.
• 25:45
  Dr. Alex Schloe: Yeah.
• 25:45
  Dr. Alex Schloe: Looking forward to reading it.
• 25:47
  Dr. Alex Schloe: That's very exciting.
• 25:48
  Dr. Alex Schloe: Well, I'd be remissed if I didn't pivot back to, gastroenterology for a second and just ask you what the weirdest thing was that a kid swallowed that you had to
• 25:57
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: Oh my gosh, I mean, the usual things are like batteries and like you see food boluses and I've taken like marbles, multiple marbles out of a kid before.
• 26:09
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: Some of the older kids the weirdest thing I would say is a plastic fork and a Bic pen.
• 26:17
  Dr. Alex Schloe: when I was in residency, my friend and I, we started a Instagram page called doctors, I think it still exists.
• 26:24
  Dr. Alex Schloe: We haven't posted anything in a long time, but we had a board in residency where we like, just took like snippets of funny patient encounters or notes and we put it on this board.
• 26:32
  Dr. Alex Schloe: And so we were like, Hey, what if we put some of that on Instagram?
• 26:35
  Dr. Alex Schloe: And of course it was all HIPAA compliant and everything.
• 26:37
  Dr. Alex Schloe: we had some foreign body.
• 26:39
  Dr. Alex Schloe: Images, and x rays, from different encounters and so forth.
• 26:42
  Dr. Alex Schloe: And so we started posting those as a foreign body Friday and having people guess what they were.
• 26:49
  Dr. Alex Schloe: And, long story short, it took off.
• 26:51
  Dr. Alex Schloe: we were getting hundreds of people liking these and commenting on it was crazy.
• 26:55
  Dr. Alex Schloe: And then we got an email from, I'm trying to think of what the network was, but it was affiliated with discovery like TV.
• 27:02
  Dr. Alex Schloe: And they asked us if we wanted to do a TV show, there was essentially foreign body Friday, it was going to be, you know,, like it, but it was going to be very dramatized, and then everyone was going to guess what it was.
• 27:12
  Dr. Alex Schloe: And, I'm in the military and family medicine, and they were like, Oh, we'll just come to the hospital and we'll just film there.
• 27:18
  Dr. Alex Schloe: And I'm like, well, that's one that's not going to happen on a military base.
• 27:21
  Dr. Alex Schloe: And two, like these pictures that we posted are a collection of many years.
• 27:26
  Dr. Alex Schloe: It's not like every day someone's coming in with
• 27:28
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: Yeah, yeah.
• 27:29
  Dr. Alex Schloe: Yeah, it was really funny.
• 27:30
  Dr. Alex Schloe: and, ultimately I think there was a TV show that was made that was called stuck or something like that, that was from that same network.
• 27:38
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: Well, it was so weird because, before I left practice, like the year before I left, there was an increase in number of foreign body ingestions of, water bottle caps.
• 27:47
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: I was thinking, like, what is it with the water bottle caps?
• 27:50
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: And apparently kids would like poke a hole at the top and like squeeze it into their mouth.
• 27:55
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: And then it would just like somehow they'd swallow it.
• 27:57
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: But, those were always very difficult.
• 27:59
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: Like it was always a joint effort between ENT and GI, like getting called in the middle of the night.
• 28:06
  Dr. Alex Schloe: Oh yeah.
• 28:06
  Dr. Alex Schloe: I bet that was a fun call to get.
• 28:08
  Dr. Alex Schloe: That's awesome.
• 28:09
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: I don't miss those, overnight calls.
• 28:12
  Dr. Alex Schloe: bet not.
• 28:12
  Dr. Alex Schloe: What's the transition been to utilization review?
• 28:15
  Dr. Alex Schloe: what's that look like for you?
• 28:17
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: So it's 100 percent remote.
• 28:19
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: that was, one of the big draws.
• 28:21
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: In terms of the work, just, having some more flexibility and predictability with my schedule with the young kids, and just, having more time with the family and being able to prioritize that.
• 28:31
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: So that was a big part of it.
• 28:32
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: I had mentioned to you that we were looking to move geographically.
• 28:35
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: So that also allowed.
• 28:36
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: Us time to move, outside of, where we were in Chicago at the time.
• 28:40
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: But it's been great, honestly.
• 28:42
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: I've been enjoying the work and like I said, I've just had more mental energy to do a lot of these other things that I didn't when I was in practice.
• 28:50
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: I think I, when you're in practice, you're just like on all day, right?
• 28:53
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: And you get home and my brain was just fried and, I couldn't read another thing, you?
• 28:57
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: know, and so That's been a huge shift.
• 28:59
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: And again, it was a bit of a transition and I think I went through like a grieving process of leaving practice.
• 29:05
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: But now I'm three years out and, and I haven't looked back.
• 29:09
  Dr. Alex Schloe: That's exciting.
• 29:10
  Dr. Alex Schloe: if you don't mind me asking, what's kind of day to day look like from that perspective?
• 29:14
  Dr. Alex Schloe: Do you kind of control your own hours?
• 29:16
  Dr. Alex Schloe: Are there still certain hours you have to work or
• 29:18
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: Yeah.
• 29:18
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: So you control your own hours.
• 29:20
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: you have like a skeleton set schedule for the week.
• 29:23
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: But with that said.
• 29:24
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: It's flexible, like you're able to move things around if you need to, and, yeah, it's, utilization review is basically looking at appropriateness and medical necessity of, different procedures or radiology exams.
• 29:37
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: And so I'm GI, so we look at, GI procedures, primarily and, yeah, so it's a mix of doing, written cases and, doing peer to peers and.
• 29:46
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: I'm on a bunch of the committees.
• 29:48
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: So, I'm on the guideline committee.
• 29:49
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: So, we actually like we review literature and make sure that our guidelines are as up to date as we can keep them.
• 29:54
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: And, so it's been good.
• 29:56
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: I mean, I think I had some hesitations about this kind of work and I remember what it was like being on the other side of peer to peers, so I was a little bit nervous about that, but it's been actually very pleasant.
• 30:05
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: And, not at all.
• 30:06
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: I, I think there's just a lot of misconceptions about, what, what this type of work is.
• 30:10
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: And, now being in it, I mean, I, I see that?
• 30:13
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: very much.
• 30:13
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: And so, I've been really enjoying it.
• 30:15
  Dr. Alex Schloe: That's really cool.
• 30:16
  Dr. Alex Schloe: Yeah, it will.
• 30:17
  Dr. Alex Schloe: And it's probably fun too, to keep you still right in the, right in the center of medicine and learning more every day, still about medicine and guidelines and changing those and really having a big impact that way as well, while also, having more control and I'm assuming a lot more time with the family.
• 30:31
  Dr. Alex Schloe: So I'm sure that's been a good
• 30:32
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: for sure.
• 30:33
  Dr. Alex Schloe: That's awesome.
• 30:34
  Dr. Alex Schloe: Very cool.
• 30:34
  Dr. Alex Schloe: Well, before we wrap things up, is there anything else that you want to hit on anything else that we missed?
• 30:39
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: I mean, I don't think so.
• 30:40
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: I feel like I kind of shared like my journey and, it kind of fits into your passion of real estate as well.
• 30:46
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: I think that's played a huge part in my journey as well.
• 30:49
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: I think once I started kind of.
• 30:51
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: Shifting my mindset about what I can and can't do real estate has played a huge part in that.
• 30:56
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: And it's also, been very exciting.
• 30:58
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: I think, a lot of people have been investing.
• 31:01
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: I mean, there's, there's a lot of different ways to invest and I think that working towards financial freedom is a big motivator, right?
• 31:07
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: and being able to provide for your family and, I think it's just.
• 31:11
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: I love that you're increasing awareness about, how to utilize real estate and to achieve those goals.
• 31:17
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: So I applaud you and Thank you.
• 31:18
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: for doing this as well.
• 31:20
  Dr. Alex Schloe: Thank you.
• 31:20
  Dr. Alex Schloe: That really means a lot.
• 31:21
  Dr. Alex Schloe: Well, really excited that, have you on here and couldn't do it without awesome guests like yourself.
• 31:26
  Dr. Alex Schloe: And it's really cool for me to get to talk to so many unique, incredible individuals who are doing all kinds of different things to get towards financial freedom and, and practice medicine how they want to.
• 31:35
  Dr. Alex Schloe: And it's really just really inspiring for me to see that.
• 31:38
  Dr. Alex Schloe: And I'm sure hopefully for the listeners as well.
• 31:40
  Dr. Alex Schloe: So thanks for your time.
• 31:42
  Dr. Alex Schloe: Is there.
• 31:42
  Dr. Alex Schloe: All right.
• 31:43
  Dr. Alex Schloe: Yeah, absolutely.
• 31:43
  Dr. Alex Schloe: Is there a way that folks can get ahold of you or reach out to you if they want to buy the book and want to know more about bright futures?
• 31:49
  Dr. Alex Schloe: Awesome.
• 31:50
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: So my website is www.
• 31:54
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: brightfuturesedg.
• 31:54
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: com and I have contact information on there.
• 31:57
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: You can email me at info at brightfuturesedg.
• 32:00
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: com.
• 32:01
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: The book is on there, all the.
• 32:03
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: Resources on different topics activity sheets, blogs, all the contents on there.
• 32:08
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: So, anyone can go on there and look at all that stuff for free.
• 32:11
  Dr. Alex Schloe: Thank you.
• 32:11
  Dr. Alex Schloe: Yeah.
• 32:12
  Dr. Alex Schloe: We'll definitely include links to that in the show notes.
• 32:14
  Dr. Alex Schloe: Thanks for putting all that together for us.
• 32:16
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: Yeah.
• 32:17
  Dr Michelle Cho Dorado: Thanks again.
• 32:18
  Dr. Alex Schloe: Awesome.
• 32:18
  Dr. Alex Schloe: All right, Michelle.
• 32:19
  Dr. Alex Schloe: Thank you so much.
• 32:19
  Dr. Alex Schloe: With that, it's been, Dr.
• 32:21
  Dr. Alex Schloe: Alex Shlow and Dr.
• 32:22
  Dr. Alex Schloe: Michelle Cho Dorado with the Physicians and Properties Podcast signing off.
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