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Political Capital 186 - Premier's approval falls, temporary foreign workers, major projects, BCGEU strike and BC Green leadership race · Political Capital with Rob Shaw

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  Speaker 1: Check Podcasts.
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  Speaker 2: Hey everyone, and welcome to Political Capital, your source for
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  Speaker 2: all the latest in BC politics. We are back with
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  Speaker 2: our first show after our summer break. We're in the
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  Speaker 2: not technically in the fall, but in the fall cycle
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  Speaker 2: of political news. We're going to catch up on some topics,
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  Speaker 2: hit the ground running with what has been an incredibly
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  Speaker 2: busy week in politics as well. We're going to bring
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  Speaker 2: in the panel, do some reintroductions here. Jeff Ferrier, longtime
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  Speaker 2: New Democrat strategist formerly worked in the Ministry of Health.
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  Speaker 2: You know them each and every week, Ali Blades, superstar
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  Speaker 2: conservative strategist co led Pierre Pouliev's leadership bid here in
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  Speaker 2: BC and Jillian's off this week. So we have Port Coquitlam,
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  Speaker 2: Mayer and future Premier Brad West joining us here today. Brad,
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  Speaker 2: I know you don't like that introduction, but thank you
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  Speaker 2: for being here.
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  Speaker 3: Anyways, I'll slip you that twenty spot in a bit rob.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so it goes up the closer you get to
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  Speaker 2: be in Premier, so it'll be higher next time. But
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  Speaker 2: all right. It was a week of highs and lows
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  Speaker 2: for the NDP government. Premieer David Eby the lows and
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  Speaker 2: We're going to start with his comments on temporary foreign workers,
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  Speaker 2: blaming them for stealing the jobs of BC's youth, among
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  Speaker 2: other things, causing a backlash, but the high ending the
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  Speaker 2: week scoring big in Prime Minister Mark Carney's new Major
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  Speaker 2: Projects list. So let's start with the temporary foreign worker comments.
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  Speaker 2: Filling up homeless shelters, draining food banks, taking kids jobs.
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  Speaker 2: The program's got to be reformed or canceled. Brad. I
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  Speaker 2: know you've had some thoughts on this and what did
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  Speaker 2: you think of what the premier said and how it
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  Speaker 2: kind of played out during the week.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you know, it's been interesting because I've been quite
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  Speaker 3: a long standing critic of the temporary foreign worker program.
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  Speaker 3: Back when Christy Clark, remember her, she announced with law
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  Speaker 3: fanfare that there was gonna be a new mine opening
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  Speaker 3: up in northern VC and oh yeah, by the way,
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  Speaker 3: all the mining jobs we're going to go to temporary
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  Speaker 3: foreign workers because we can't find any Canadians who know
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  Speaker 3: how the mine apparently. So I do think there's a
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  Speaker 3: lot of concern with the temporary foreign worker program. It's
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  Speaker 3: kind of notorious at this point, lots of examples of
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  Speaker 3: mistreatment of workers and really a program that was designed
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  Speaker 3: to be quite surgical, had the floodgates open over the
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  Speaker 3: last number of years, and you can see that through
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  Speaker 3: the rapid increase in the number of people who are
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  Speaker 3: coming through that program. So I think there's legitimate concerns there.
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  Speaker 3: I think that that's also well founded in a plethora
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  Speaker 3: of public opinion polls. Now, I think probably where the
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  Speaker 3: premiere maybe had a bit of a misstep was in
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  Speaker 3: really personalizing his comments around the temporary foreign workers themselves.
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  Speaker 3: And I've had the opportunity previously to have some conversations
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  Speaker 3: with people who are temporary foreign workers. You know, they're
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  Speaker 3: not doing anything wrong in that they're trying to make
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  Speaker 3: a better life for their family. I think just about
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  Speaker 3: anyone who's in their circumstance would probably do the same.
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  Speaker 3: Problem is the way the government has set up this
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  Speaker 3: program and the abuse that Corporate Canada has undergone with it.
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  Speaker 3: So you know, I know there was a bit of
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  Speaker 3: a walk back on that. I think again, I would
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  Speaker 3: be disappointed if, because of the way it was, the
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  Speaker 3: comments were made that somehow this discussion just exits staged left,
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  Speaker 3: because I do think that there is a real conversation
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  Speaker 3: needs to happen in our province and our country around
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  Speaker 3: this program.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you mentioned and I'll go to Jeff here on this,
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  Speaker 2: but Brad mentioned that polling and we do see national
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  Speaker 2: polling in the last week that would indicate the public
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  Speaker 2: sentiment against both the temporary forum worker program and immigration
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  Speaker 2: levels in general playing a factor in how some people
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  Speaker 2: will feel about a host of different issues. Jeff, do
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  Speaker 2: you think that polling is playing into a factor and
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  Speaker 2: what the premier is doing here.
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  Speaker 1: I think that has more of more of a factor
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  Speaker 1: in the comments Pierre Polliever has made at the national
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  Speaker 1: level than it does with the Premier. The Premier addressed
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  Speaker 1: this really awkwardly, and that's what his worship was talking
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  Speaker 1: about in his early year comments. I think there's a
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  Speaker 1: broad consensus that if Canada First means anything, it should
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  Speaker 1: start with young Canadians trying to get their first job.
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  Speaker 1: The problem with the program isn't the people. As Brad
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  Speaker 1: has said, it's a program that was set up to
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  Speaker 1: fill genuine shortages in the labor market and we're not
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  Speaker 1: in that situation anymore. And that's certainly the case with
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  Speaker 1: the young people, and no one's talking about it. No
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  Speaker 1: one's talking about young people today who are already priced
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  Speaker 1: out of housing, struggling to find a family doctor, and
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  Speaker 1: now they can't find work almost fifteen percent unemployment rate.
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  Speaker 1: And there are many reasons for this, but the temporary
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  Speaker 1: foreign worker program and the floodgates being opened on that
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  Speaker 1: is certainly one of them. So government should support folks
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  Speaker 1: who are in the program here and now that's you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's exploitation what's happening with them, pure and simple. But
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  Speaker 1: if he's if the Premier is going to move forward on,
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  Speaker 1: as you point out earlier, on winding down of the
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  Speaker 1: program that is becoming more deeply and deeply unpopular with Canadians,
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  Speaker 1: he's going to have to confront people in his own
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  Speaker 1: party whose sense of patriotism was very loud in the
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  Speaker 1: shipyards over BC Ferries. But it doesn't it has not
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  Speaker 1: yet spoken about young Canadian Canadians trying to pay for school,
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  Speaker 1: trying to make ends meet, being denied jobs at home
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  Speaker 1: at places like Boston Pizza and Tim Horton's because there
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  Speaker 1: can't possibly be people here who know how to sell
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  Speaker 1: pizza and coffee and donuts.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I do think ali one of the things that
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  Speaker 2: seemed to rankle NDP support. Amongst other things, was the
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  Speaker 2: fact that Ebe was repeating what Pierre Polyev said just
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  Speaker 2: a day before, and the alignment that immediately became a
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  Speaker 2: story of the NDP premier and the federal Conservative leader
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  Speaker 2: both going after the temporary foreign worker program. It seemed
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  Speaker 2: like from what I could see, there was there was
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  Speaker 2: a visceral reaction to that. In some of the reactions
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  Speaker 2: as well, I.
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  Speaker 4: Did have an existential crisis of am I in a deep.
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  Speaker 2: Year when he did you look deep in the mirror
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  Speaker 2: and go, what's going on?
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  Speaker 4: What is happening here? But I joke, But there's a
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  Speaker 4: point to be made about where the Conservatives landed on
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  Speaker 4: this and where one PC landed on this. But I'll
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  Speaker 4: start with I think that the Conservative Party federally said
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  Speaker 4: it best when they said it's time to buy a
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  Speaker 4: Canadian and hire Canadian by ending the temporary foreign worker program,
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  Speaker 4: which I'm very hopeful will replace this elbows up thing,
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  Speaker 4: because I think that's a one a little last season.
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  Speaker 4: It's not working. Let's like put that behind us and
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  Speaker 4: move forward with this new slogan because I think it's
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  Speaker 4: really going to work, and I think that a lot
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  Speaker 4: of people really appreciate it. There's this thing that I
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  Speaker 4: that a lot of political people and strategists will talk about,
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  Speaker 4: and it's the Tim Horton's case study, where there is
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  Speaker 4: the group of older political folks who will gather at
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  Speaker 4: Tim Horton's in the morning and chat politics, and I
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  Speaker 4: will argue, it's actually one of the better things of
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  Speaker 4: figuring out what's happening on the ground as far as sentiments,
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  Speaker 4: than any pool that we could ever talk about. And
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  Speaker 4: isn't it just so ironic that we're talking about Tim
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  Speaker 4: Horton's Boston Pizza Where David eb mentioned both of these
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  Speaker 4: in his Burnaby Board of Trade speech of something's not
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  Speaker 4: really working here and so if the changes are eventually implemented,
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  Speaker 4: it'll be Tim Hortons, through this political group that will
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  Speaker 4: see it first. And hopefully that is the track that
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  Speaker 4: we're going now to my existential crisis, John rust had
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  Speaker 4: responded in this twenty four hour period where he then said, well,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if we should go that far of
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  Speaker 4: restructuring the temporary ford worker program quite yet, because this
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  Speaker 4: impacts this major stakeholder, the agriculture community in BC. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 4: Dallas Brody from one BC is saying stop immigration, stop renewals,
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  Speaker 4: let's shut it all down. And so we're seeing that
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  Speaker 4: how these two political parties on the right are different
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  Speaker 4: in their narrative and how they're approaching this. Now. Thankfully
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  Speaker 4: the leader of the Conservatives finally figured out that while
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  Speaker 4: there is an importance on this major stakeholder group with
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  Speaker 4: the agriculture community, David eb and per Pulliev are right
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  Speaker 4: that these things need to be looked at and changed
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  Speaker 4: because it's just the world that we live in now
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  Speaker 4: in Canada. So we're back on track. My CPC membership,
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  Speaker 4: my CPPC membership are still in good standing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is.
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  Speaker 1: The welcome to the party, Ali, join the party, be
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  Speaker 1: one of us.
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  Speaker 2: I would ask you, Brad, where your membership card is,
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  Speaker 2: but you joined like everyone wants you from all political parties,
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  Speaker 2: so it's probably a moot point, but.
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  Speaker 3: It is first party.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It is fascinating to watch the different dynamics there too,
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  Speaker 2: because like you know, we do need temporary foreign workers,
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  Speaker 2: and some people tried to make that argument like there
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  Speaker 2: aren't a lot of BC youth who want to go
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  Speaker 2: out to farm and pick berries in the summer. And
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  Speaker 2: we saw that during COVID when we all we had
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  Speaker 2: that that problem, but no one you know, it quickly
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  Speaker 2: developed devolved into a kind of a immigrant bashing conversation,
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  Speaker 2: which complicated things as well. And by the end of
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  Speaker 2: the week, I don't know if we're any wiser or
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  Speaker 2: closer to any of the reforms that actually need to
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  Speaker 2: happen in the program, but it was a it was
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  Speaker 2: a big topic of discussion. I want to add an
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  Speaker 2: element and go around again here, because we did get
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  Speaker 2: new polling out on the premier's performance and on where
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  Speaker 2: he's landing on issues and popularity. David V's approval rating
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  Speaker 2: drop five points according to Angus Reid to forty one percent,
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  Speaker 2: tying in for the second least popular premier in Canada
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  Speaker 2: alongside Doug Ford. Second quarter drop in a row, lowest
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  Speaker 2: approval rating since taeing office in December twenty twenty two.
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  Speaker 2: And also some new party polling from Angus Reid this
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  Speaker 2: week having the Conservatives at forty four percent in BC
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  Speaker 2: and the NDP at forty two percent, probably within the
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  Speaker 2: margin air Brad. Is that worrying? I think? Will people
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  Speaker 2: find that worrying within the NDP that the premier is
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  Speaker 2: dropping a little bit. It is still much higher than
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  Speaker 2: John Rustad. But how do you think that those numbers
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  Speaker 2: land in and around New Democrats.
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  Speaker 3: Well, the state the obvious. You always rather be up
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  Speaker 3: than down. So anytime you see some downward trajectory, I
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  Speaker 3: think you need to take stock of.
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  Speaker 1: Why that is.
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  Speaker 3: You know, the government's had a pretty rough go the
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  Speaker 3: last little bit, you know, the I reflect on, you know,
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  Speaker 3: the Charlie Pollock uh situation that really sees the attention
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  Speaker 3: of the public for quite some time in the province.
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  Speaker 3: We have a lot of economic headwinds headed our way,
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  Speaker 3: and I think people are really starting to to feel
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  Speaker 3: that it's not just news reports, it's it's reflective in
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  Speaker 3: their daily life, you know. And then we see some
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  Speaker 3: of these other challenges that continue to linger sentiments around
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  Speaker 3: BC ferries.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: And of course now what we're talking just talked about.
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  Speaker 3: So you know, governments had a rough go, and you know,
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  Speaker 3: I sense and I hear this from people that you know,
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  Speaker 3: the government maybe is losing control of the narrative and
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  Speaker 3: you know, what is their their message? You know, when
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  Speaker 3: President Trump started to uh, you know, do his saber
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  Speaker 3: rattling and we had tariffs, you know, they quickly pivot
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  Speaker 3: did towards that sort of elbows up and all the
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  Speaker 3: cliches that I think are getting quite tiring. But you know,
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  Speaker 3: I think the public only has so much time for that,
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  Speaker 3: and I think there's starting to be a little bit
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  Speaker 3: of exhaustion with everything being Donald Trump's fault. Uh, And
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  Speaker 3: they're looking for our leaders to put out, you know,
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  Speaker 3: a very uh, very clear plan and future and vision
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  Speaker 3: for the future. And I don't know if that is
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  Speaker 3: really coming through from the messaging we hear from the
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  Speaker 3: provincial government.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: And when it does come through, you know, you have
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  Speaker 3: people doing yeah, but what about that? You know, so yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you know we're a team candidate. Yeah, but you're having
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  Speaker 3: fairies built in China. You know, there's all these things
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  Speaker 3: where it seems that actions are not meeting words, and
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  Speaker 3: I think that that is creating those dynamics, are creating
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  Speaker 3: these political challenges for the government.
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  Speaker 2: No, I think you're right. The last control the narrative
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  Speaker 2: is certainly something you see the government kind of rolling
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  Speaker 2: with the punches rather than Jeff throwing the punches themselves.
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  Speaker 2: What do you make of the numbers? And there is
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  Speaker 2: that old line in politics, you know that you don't
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  Speaker 2: have to be a ten to win an election. If
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  Speaker 2: your opponent's are two, you only need to be a three.
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  Speaker 2: So David Eb's pulling numbers are still better than John Rustad's.
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  Speaker 2: What does that mean as well, Jeff.
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  Speaker 1: Well on a personal leadership level, that's true party. You see,
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  Speaker 1: it's pretty much a dead heat. If you look at
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  Speaker 1: the margin of air in that Angus Reed pool, and
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  Speaker 1: i'll give you the you know, the typical caveat that's
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  Speaker 1: a small sample size. It's one pool among many margin
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  Speaker 1: of error. But you know, the NDP loses on the economy.
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  Speaker 1: It's their achilles heel. People think that they're well suited
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  Speaker 1: to deal with healthcare, education, social policy, even that they're
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  Speaker 1: on the side of work. But when the economy goes
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  Speaker 1: down in a tail spin, that's when folks start to
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  Speaker 1: turn away from the NDP. And so it should be
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  Speaker 1: concerning to the premiere, it should be concerning to the government.
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  Speaker 1: It should be concerning to folks within the party who
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  Speaker 1: think that there's a room to really go hard against
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  Speaker 1: the government at a time when the alternative is is
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  Speaker 1: a heck of a lot worse. But you know, at
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  Speaker 1: the end of the day, this is about the premier,
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  Speaker 1: and he's got to stop telling folks about Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 1: He's got to stop telling folks about what the difficulties
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  Speaker 1: are and why we're where we're at. And he's start
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  Speaker 1: showing progress, in particular on the narrative that he has
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  Speaker 1: been moving forward around the need for BC to build,
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  Speaker 1: to push back against Donald Trump so that we have
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  Speaker 1: jobs and workers and we can stand on our own
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  Speaker 1: two feet. I think for many folks right now, that's
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  Speaker 1: coming across as words, and he needs to do more
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  Speaker 1: of what he did this week. We can talk about
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  Speaker 1: that later, about actually showing the benefits of the government's
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  Speaker 1: focus on bringing on big projects, about building, about getting
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  Speaker 1: people working on those. We can talk about that later. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and also, you know, like that's a new focus
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  Speaker 2: from the government. It wasn't their focus in the last
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  Speaker 2: election or even a year ago. It wasn't man of action,
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  Speaker 2: David Eb's focus, and when he took office. This new
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  Speaker 2: version of you know, natural resource projects is relatively new
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  Speaker 2: in terms of showing action as well. So he said
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  Speaker 2: he hasn't had a long runway to do that. Ali,
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  Speaker 2: what do you make of the numbers?
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  Speaker 4: I want to contextualize the circumstance to what Brad was
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  Speaker 4: talking about with his mention of that davidb has had
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  Speaker 4: a rough go at it that's indeed self inflicted. But
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  Speaker 4: the other being that in comparison to who By that
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  Speaker 4: I mean that David EB was and the NDP rode
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  Speaker 4: high when during the election because the Liberals were doing
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  Speaker 4: well and Mark Carney was successful well, and it was
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  Speaker 4: in comparison to this bromance that they had going on.
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  Speaker 4: And then equally, you know, in comparison to our neighbor
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  Speaker 4: down south of we looked more inwards towards our own
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  Speaker 4: politicians versus in their competitor as being Donald Trump, and
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  Speaker 4: not the true opposition. By that, I mean that it
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  Speaker 4: was David EB against Donald Trump, not David dB versus
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  Speaker 4: John rust At. And by all accounts, what this essentially
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  Speaker 4: means is that the polling numbers for David be going
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  Speaker 4: down is because of all of the things happening on
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  Speaker 4: the Trump side, and because now Mark Cartney's been in
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  Speaker 4: the role for quite some time and he's having to
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  Speaker 4: prove whether or not these campaign promises will actually come
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  Speaker 4: to fruition, and so he's being judged by a lot
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  Speaker 4: of circumstances that are federally attached, which may or may
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  Speaker 4: not be fair. And so it's interesting because in comparison
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  Speaker 4: to the Conservative numbers that are now going up, I
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  Speaker 4: question whether or not is it because it's the opposition
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  Speaker 4: is doing an effective job, or because of these external
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  Speaker 4: circumstances like federal funding coming into BC or their lack
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  Speaker 4: thereof being the main problem.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, good point, Ali. I want to just kind of
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  Speaker 2: segue off of that into the Prime Minister's nation building
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  Speaker 2: project list on Friday. Two of the five projects in
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  Speaker 2: BC LNG Canada Phase two in the Red Chris Mine expansion.
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  Speaker 2: BC's premier are very pleased about this, seem like he's
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  Speaker 2: got the Prime Minister's ear. They're on the same page.
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  Speaker 2: And no oil pipeline from Alberta that did not make
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  Speaker 2: the cut. Brad, anything we can take away from this
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  Speaker 2: alignment of BC and Ottawa based on that list, do you.
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  Speaker 3: Think, well, it's good to see obviously anytime British Columbia.
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  Speaker 3: I guess the attention of folks in Ottawa. I think
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  Speaker 3: we all are shocked but thrilled, So you know, it
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  Speaker 3: was good to see, and sure kudos are in order
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  Speaker 3: to the Premier and others who work to make that happen.
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  Speaker 3: You know, for me, lots of things always sound good.
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  Speaker 3: It will be about the follow through and you know,
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  Speaker 3: does this actually result in what the Prime Minister has said,
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  Speaker 3: which is, you know, a fast tracking shovels in the ground,
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  Speaker 3: let's go. You know, it wouldn't be the first time
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  Speaker 3: that a politician promised that and the results didn't. We're
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  Speaker 3: not We're not that, so let's wait and see. But
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  Speaker 3: positive sign.
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  Speaker 2: The complicating factor, Jeff, I guess is that technically the
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  Speaker 2: two projects, Lergy Canada Phase two and Red Chris, they
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  Speaker 2: don't even need federal help. They're both pretty much already approved.
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  Speaker 2: So in that sense, what is the do you take
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: away any actual value from this?
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: Well? Well, sure, certainly on the premiers back in of
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: the Anglo Tech deal, that's a big deal for British
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: Columbian folks. So now I work in the mining sector,
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: so you'd be forgiven of thinking I'm a bit of
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: a homer on that. But getting a Canadian headquarters of
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: a giant global mining company and securing five billion dollars
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: and investment, it's a big deal there. LNG Canada has
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: gotten the approvals, but it needs to go to its
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: board and get to a financial final investment decision. This
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: will help. And there's a lot of things that makes
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: mining tough in northwestern British Columbia, access to power, infrastructure, roads,
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: skilled workforce, and these are signals from the federal government
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: that they're going to be at the table helping those
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: companies make sure they can move ahead quick. So it's
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: consequential and the premiere will be happy about it because
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: it helps him pushes his narrative about BC building to
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: push back against.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: Trump, and it avoids a showdown on pipeline ZEALI like,
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: we don't have to have that the immediate future, with
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: Alberta NBC not yet.
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: Being the key word for that. I mean, there's a
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: whole office dedicated to it that hopefully has a long lifespan,
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: and maybe that will come. I'll say this just to
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: echo a little bit of what I was picking up
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: from Bratt. I mean, the follow through is important here.
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: What this means is essentially that Mark Carning created a
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: list of things that he's going to be able to
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: go to a ribbon cutting very easily and claim that
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: it was all his office that made it happen, but
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: really these things were in the process a long time
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: way before he entered the scene. What I was hopeful
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: that the next announcements would potentially be are more innovative,
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: visionary things like an oil pipeline. I'll finish to say
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: that what this does also offer is a bit of
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: a chance to make sure that the regulatory challenges that
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: we face here in BC will now have a champion
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: on the federal sides to make things happen quicker, which
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: that's where we should really be watching this office. Is
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: not so much the investment, it's rather the policy changes
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: that are going to happen federally that will allow the
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: path for a lot of these projects to not have
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: any more blocks and challenges.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Does feel like more of a kind of a public
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: endorsement by the Prime minister on mining in LNG, which
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: the Premier said is a different tone than the Justin
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: Trudeau administration which was not supportive of LNG, and a
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: message to investors that if you want to do a
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: mine in northwestern BC, you want to do an LNG project,
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: the federal government wants you here and wants you spending
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: your billions of dollars doing it maybe above and beyond
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: just these two projects, which you're right, are pretty much
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: done or potentially done through the approval process without Autawa.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: The other big topic going on right now obviously the
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: BCGEU strike. We are ending week two of that job action.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: It's the tip of a four hundred thousand plus unionized
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: public sector labor negotiation issue that is going on right now.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: The general disagreement on wages seems to be the BCGU
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: at around eight and a quarter percent over two years
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: and the government offering three and a half percent, plus
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: some other things on the table. Brad, where is this headed?
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Do you think after two weeks of a GEU strike?
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: It looks like both sides have kind of dug in.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: There's not even any talk scheduled. They're so far apart
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: on wages. The other unions are all kind of waiting,
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: except for the HU, which has seem to accepted a
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: much lesser version here of government's original offer. What's your
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: take on the landscape that we're at on this strike
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: right now.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: Well, it does seem like we're digging in for a
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: more prolonged impasse here. I've listened carefully to the comments
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: from Paul Finch from the BCGU, and he's been very
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: clear that you know, there's no talks scheduled. I know
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: that he's also take an issue with the idea that
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: there is a deal with the h GUS. He's poured
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: some cold water on that idea and said that it's
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: actually part of a table that the PCGU sits at
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: as well, and that it's not progressing. You know, the
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: the union seems to be really ragging the pack in
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: terms of their action. I mean, they could do something
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: that's much bolder, but they're being quite surgical in their
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: approach and so I expect over you know, the next
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: number of weeks, you're going to see them continue to
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: ramp up. And then, you know, the question that I
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: think always looms large. It's it's always about the beer.
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: It's always about the beer and the booze, right, And
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: that's the one that is hanging out there is do
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: they take down the l dB, which of course will
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: impact a number of people and things across the province.
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: But it does seem like the sides are far apart,
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: and you know, at this point it's hard to see
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: where the coming together happens mm hmm.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: And it also I mean once the the liquor stops
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: and restaurants and store shelves, then things start to get serious.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: You drinking club soda at restaurant and people start getting angry.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: But also the other unions could jump in at any point,
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: I mean the teachers and schools, the nurses and hospitals.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: There are some big players at the table who's if
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: they choose to start their own job action really bring
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: the government into a into a tough spot. Jeff, do
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: you think where do you think we are on this
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: and what are the dynamics at play?
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: Well, the strike is escalating. The two sides are far
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: apart to want to just quickly address the issue of
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: HU because you both both brought it up. They've made
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: good progress at the bargaining table. They've gotten some commitment
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: from government to help reclaim the space they lost when
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: the former BC Liberal government came into power cut wages deeply.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: So there's a what they call a framework agreement where
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: over this collective agreement and another one or two they'll
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: be able to bring some of that back. I think
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: one thing that is that has been in the media
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: that is inaccurate is about the pay side and accepting
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: three and a half over two years, and I understand
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: is AGU has rejected that and they continue to work
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: on that with with government. But on the broader issue
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: of this gu the two sides are far apart. I
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: think both sides and this negotiation have challenges. The Union's
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: big challenges public opinion. This isn't the same time as
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: it was when they last negotiated. In times like these,
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: it's not the you know, the righteousness of the cause
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: that matters. It's whether the public can afford to care.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: And at a time of high cost of living and
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: economic uncertainty, that's a big risk factor for the Union.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: For government, the risk, I think is more economic. I
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: know that the big way to frustrate Solidarity forever is
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: to shut down the liquor store on a Friday night.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: But there's a real fallout of the strike blocking progress
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: on some of the big projects that David Ebe wants
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: to get built. Many of the striking staff are people
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: who sign off on permits and approvals inside the government
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: and the public service, and no permits means no work
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: for welders and Fort Nelson or miners in Princeton, and
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: that could become a big problem for government. But where's
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: this headed. Unless they can make some progress at the
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: bargaining table, we're going to start to hear those what
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: we hear every time during a public sector strike that
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: lasts a long time, calls for back to work legislation,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: calls for mediation and arbitration. And when two sides are
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: so far apart, you bring in the Vince Readies of
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: the world, an arbitrator who will make bank off of
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: trying to bring the two sides together to an agreement,
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: which neither side wants because they want to solve things
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: to their benefit at the bargaining table. But it sure
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: feels like a high stake standoff that's not going to
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: get any easier to resolve those these things progress.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: Man, if we were along long, long ways away from this,
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: But if this government legislated people back to work, good grief,
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: like it would be the full That would be the
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: end of the conversion of the new Democrats across the
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: entire spectrum all the way to you might as well
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: have elected the Conservatives.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: And at that point I don't think, Yeah, I don't think.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Imagine they would do that.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: You know they would do that, but yeah, they'll start
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: to face the calls from the ends. There'll be some
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: support in the public for that sort of thing.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: Happening, especially if schools get hit, because we know the
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: public appetite on schools. When suddenly your kids are stuck
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: at home and you know, like you're disrupting your work
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: and daycare and things like that, people's tolerance gets very
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: very thin. Allie, what do you think of this?
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: You know, don't understand a lot of things in this world,
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: but I do understand campaigns. And what I've noticed is
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: have you heard these teachers ads on the radio? It's
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: like every five minutes, and then they're coupled with a
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: few other unions and it's talking about just you know,
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: wages and we need more money and this could be
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: catastrophic if there isn't an investment in insert you know
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: sector here. And I think just completely right here. The
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: public opinion of how this turns out is going to
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: be what the government is judged on, because the moment
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: that we turn on our teachers, then you know, we
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: have a big problem. The fact of the matter is
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: we have a projected record ten point nine billion budget
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: deficit this year, and so what do you do? What
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: do you do with that? You have to make difficult decisions,
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: and so it's it's these campaigns that I think are
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: going to help make that decision. It's who has the
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: best campaign that's pulling at your heart strings, and then
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: that's going to apply the pressure of this very limited
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: funds because we don't have anybody. I've said this on
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: the show a million times. We're broke, and so whoever
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: has the best campaign is really going to win this
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: whole thing. And it was John Rustat who said this
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: earlier this week, and he said that the premiere who's
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: driven BC into a record debt and deficit and now
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: suddenly he wants to claim that he's standing up for
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: taxpayers and nobody's buying it. One hundred percent. Agree with
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: the leader one hundred percent.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: Hey can I jump? Can I jump down something? Just
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: real quick? Because Ali mentioned ads. I saw the gu
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: put out ads on TV basically making fun of the
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: the folks in government who are you know, excluded from
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: the bargaining unit.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: It was just pants.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: It was no, I'm not those folks. It's like the
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: executive director and admit minister level basically saying these guys
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: are useless. Look at them. They're idiots and they're useless.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: You should pay us. That's going to make for a
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: real awkward back to work party when the strike's over.
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: An effective ad nonetheless.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: Though yeah, it was good, it's just going to be
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: really awkward.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: I just thought that, you know, I think one of
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: the things that the GU has been putting out, which
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: is effective and I think squares with what a lot
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: of people think or feel, is that so much of
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: the growth of the public sector has been at the
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: middle management level rather than on people who are delivering
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: frontline services, you know, whether it be in healthcare or
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: other aspects. And they've had some interesting statistics around that,
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: and in terms of a public appeal, I think, you know,
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: there is that sense amongst the public, like, you know,
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: the government has certainly not been shy about pouring more
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: money into healthcare and into the public spector, and you
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: would think that we would get better service delivery outcome
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: as a result of that. And it does raise the
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: question where is the money going and why aren't outcomes better?
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: And I think GU is trying to bring that frame
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: into this, saying, well, look, you've exploded the size of
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: middle management to the neglect of frontline service. Delivery.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: And you know the other thing that I think is
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: tough for government is that they're really the offer is
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: kind of cheap, right, Like, the offer does not meet
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: the cost of living by government's own admission. The cost
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: of living is, you know, the cola is like four
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: point five percent over these two years and government's own numbers,
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: and they're offering three in a quarter. It might be
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: an easier sell if you just hit cost of living
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: and say that's all we can do, you know, like that,
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: rather than you're actually cutting them by bringing a wage
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: increase below the cost of living. That's a tough argument
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: for government to make, but I guess we will. We
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: will see what happens in the.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the government's offering is offering more than that. Now.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: I think they've been pushing back, which is not something
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: you typically see from progressive government. You have the Public
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: Service Agency come out and say that though the union's
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: asking for eight in a quarter over two years, it
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: says that when you layer in all of the ass
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: and the negotiation, it's fifteen zero point seventy five percent,
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: and that if you applied that across the whole public
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: sector that you referenced earlier would be six point six
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: billion dollars. I'm not going to those number sides on
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: who's I'm not taking sides on who's being most factual here.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: It's just points to how entrenched the two sides are
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: and how difficult this will be to resolve.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: Somebody, get Vince Ready Ready. For lack of a better
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: way of describing it, we got to start cloning Vince
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: Ready too, because once he is gone, who's going to
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: solve our disputes. He's already been tapped by government to
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: solve the six month transit strike in Couch.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: So you know they should Ready, UBC shoulds UBC should
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: set up the Vince Ready School of solving.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: Things, solving tough stuff.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: Get them into we can do it.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: Get them into the AI so we can do AI.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: Vince readies and get out there, feed them into the computer. Okay,
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: last topic here, I just want to go around quickly
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: on the BC Greens. Gillian's not here, she's working on
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: Green campaigns, but holy moly, the Green leadership campaign has
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: hit the ditch, which we all knew would because every
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: party leadership campaign for twenty plus years has had membership controversies,
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: voting controversies. The Greens tried free memberships for people under
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: thirty age fourteen to twenty nine occurred to them perhaps
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: too late in the process. You had to prove if
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: those are real people who signed up, and now they
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: are struggling at fifty percent lower than fifty percent of
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: their new memberships to verify those. Voting opens on Saturday.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: There's a threatened lawsuit by one of the candidates, Emlly Lohan,
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: who sign up a bunch of new people. Brad, I,
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: you know, like, I don't know what it feels like.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: It was an avoidable problem. But where we are, where
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: we are now, when you're looking at what the Greens
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: are going through, what goes through your mind?
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: Well, it was ever thus in BC politics, and the
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: everything that comes to mind is the smaller the prior
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: is the nastier the fight.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: Right, My stratagistutes are always so nasty, you know, the
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: lower the stakes, the more vicious the politics.
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, here's my very bold and audacious idea. And
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: I hate to say we have anything to learn from
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: the Americans, but I really like the idea of when
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: you register to vote, you can register unaffiliated or you
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: can register as a new Democrat or a conservative or
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: as a Liberal, and that nominations take place is sort
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: of a primary type system. I like that because I
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: think it captures a wider universe of the voting public.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: Party leaderships tend to be decided by hyper partisans who
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: I think often dragged the candidates to places that are
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: very unfamiliar to the general public, and I think we
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: would be well served and maybe get a higher caliber
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: of people I'm considering putting themselves forward if the general
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: public had a bigger role, the voting public had a
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: bigger role in selecting who nominees would be. So I'm
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: sure there's a million reasons why I won't work in
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: our system, but I like it. I like that concept
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: because you know, I've seen up close some party leadership races,
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: and I don't know that they're particularly healthy, if I
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: could describe it that way. So there's my agree Elections
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: BC will need a much bigger budget. Then we'll we'll
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: have to get involved.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: No, I like that idea in the sense, Jeff like,
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: we do see again and again that the folks who
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: stick with parties can sometimes be very passionate about an
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: opinion and strident in that party's view, and they help
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: elect a leader who is unelectable to the general public
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: because they're just so gosh darn, you know, like a
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: partisan within the Party of All stripes, right, And I
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: like that idea, But I don't know how we I
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: don't know how elections we see, which can barely administer
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: a provincial election without failing to count ballot boxes, can
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: pull that one off. What do you think?
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: No, I like the idea if only because it would
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: give me hope for ability to win anything in public office,
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: Because just my comments today on this show would disqualify
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: me from ever winning anything for the NDP. If it's
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: only the grassroots who are voting now on this Green
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: Party leadership. It's interesting to see the Party of Purity
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: discovering the joys of steel cage match wrestling, which is
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: what's going on now. But I have no business, no
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: business commenting on another party's leadership contest. But if I did,
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: it would go something like this. If you're a Green
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: Party member, this is a sad day for democracy. Ms
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: Loewen's campaign is speaking honestly about the overlapping healthcare climate
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: and affordability crises the British Columbians are facing and their
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: party's failure to make progress on them. It's no surprise
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: that so many people were inspired by her message. This
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: verification process sends a message to young voters concerned about
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: renewal of the party in order to be able to
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: fight climate change, you are not welcome in the BC
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: Green Party. It appears that the Greens are treating new
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: members with hostility and suspicion, and it is appearing clear
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  Speaker 1: that there was no way they were ever going to
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  Speaker 1: let a young climate activist lead the party. These words
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  Speaker 1: were never spoken before in the history of BC politics.
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  Speaker 1: But this, this is what I would offer up to
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  Speaker 1: my friends and the Greens who never said that about
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  Speaker 1: the latest NDP leadership race.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is very reminiscent of the last NIP leadership race,
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  Speaker 2: except the Greens don't have someone of the stature of
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: Elizabeth Khle who came in and just kind of tried
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: to cull the problem at the very end. And the
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: Greens are letting this go all the way through and to.
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  Speaker 1: The formidable lawyer, very formidable lawyers now involved.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, Ali, where does this go?
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: Don't say his name or he'll appear.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I think we're onto something. I think what we're
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: saying is that there needs to be a little bit
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  Speaker 4: more oversight into these private member clubs where they can
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: make their own rules, and not all of them are
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: the same as it overlaps with different political parties. I mean,
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: there's always something and in the case of previous leadership races,
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: this one's not so bad. Let's remember that Christy Clark
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: signed up the ACT and.
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  Speaker 2: I do remember that, yes, the cat.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so you know, at least they're giving a member
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  Speaker 4: to actual human beings. The BC Liberal leadership race where
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: Kevin fulk and won, what they decided to do as
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: far as like their their verification process was that they
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: did like these random calls to people because of this
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: massive membership. I think in the end it ended up
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: being closer to like forty thousand members, and so they
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: did it at random to check and verify that they
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: were real humans with real things. But the oversight comes
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: from if you're paying for a donation that's a political contribution.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: Okay, we're gonna leave it there. We've gone over time here,
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• 39:50
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• 40:20
  Speaker 2: should have looked that up before I do.
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