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Episode #259: Lactating Steers, Trump’s Vaccine Overhaul & the New mRNA Flu Shot · Beyond Labels Premium

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_01: In the United States, 19%, which is almost 20%, almost one in five, nineteen percent of steers slaughtered for meat are lactating.
• 0:16
  SPEAKER_01: They're making milk.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_01: And nobody in all the land grant universities, nobody, nobody has actually researched why this is happening.
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_01: Hi, everybody.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to another Beyond Labels podcast with uh me.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_01: That would be the farmer Joel Salatin.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, it's all it's all Cena, you know, what do you do?
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_01: And and of course, our favorite researcher, Dr.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_01: Cena McCullough.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_01: Something has just come across my desk that is brand new.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_01: Never heard of it before.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_01: You know, when you're when you're immersed in a certain whatever, you know, vocational thing, you you kind of figure you're up on stuff.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_01: And um, this is one that I is brand new, and it just broke.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, it was in Acres, USA, it's going to be in Epoch Times, and it's been broken by our good friend Molly Inglehart in Texas.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_01: And uh she, through a serendipitous conversation with uh a guy where she was speaking at a conference, and I do a lot of this too, so I can really appreciate how this developed.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, this guy just mentioned to her that, you know, a lot of a lot of steers uh in America, beat beef steers that are being slaughtered for meat, uh, steers um are are lactating.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, making milk.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_01: And she'd never heard of this before.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_01: I've never heard of this before.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_01: So she's a quintessential Cena, you you know, uh, you and she would make a real sleuthing team.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_01: So she started sleuthing in on this.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_01: She started calling slaughterhouses, she started calling, you know, friends in the feedlot business, started doing some, you know, USDA research, some studies, read some studies.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_01: Bottom line is this right now in the United States, 19%, which is almost 20%, almost one in five, nineteen percent of steers slaughtered for meat are lactating.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_01: They're making milk.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_01: Now, what's a steer?
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_01: A steer is a castrated bull.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_01: So a heifer is a female that's never had a calf.
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_01: And of course, you know, if if uh if a female is going to slaughter, generally you don't want to breed them and have a calf because then you know they get older and tougher and all that stuff.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_01: So um a heifer uh would be one that that has never had a calf.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_01: And um and a steer is a bull that is castrated.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_01: Castration makes the meat, tends to make the meat um more tender and less um less uh um less connective, you know, gristle and connective tissue that you'd expect in a in a buff guy, okay?
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_01: And uh so um, you know, it it it it it um and and it makes them a lot less uh bullyish, they don't fight as much, just a lot easier to control, and you can put steers and heifers together in a pen and not have them, you know, breeding.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_01: So there's a lot of reasons why um why you castrate the the males that you don't want to use for breeding.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_01: So think about this.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_01: Here is a male and he's producing milk.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_01: In other words, his um just just like a human man, we have you know, we we have breasts, but there ain't much, you know, uh, as opposed to a female.
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_01: And so here is a male that is lactating, producing milk.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_01: I have never heard of this before.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_01: I've never even I've never seen an article.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, nothing.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_01: And Molly has unearthed a completely hidden, uh, hidden, I don't know, hidden uh reality in the beef industry that 19% of the beef animals slaughtered in the United States are lactating.
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_01: What's interesting is she hasn't been able to find a single um small slaughterhouse or custom slaughterhouse in which they've ever seen this.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_01: It's only in the great big ones.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_01: You know, the ones that do, you know, the the Tyson ones, the uh IBP, the the ones that do 5,000 head a day that are coming out of the feedlot.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_01: Now the question is what's causing it?
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_01: I think we can all agree, Sena, that this phenomenon ain't natural.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_01: And so, I mean, you know, if that's just if you were a man and you began secreting milk out of your breasts, that would be a weird thing.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's just okay, that's really weird.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_01: Especially if you're not put out.
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_01: Especially if you'd never been pregnant, you know.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, not only are you a male, but you've never even been been pregnant.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_01: Boy, this is gonna go, this is gonna go sideways really fast.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but I'm I'm just trying to help people to understand, understand what an anomaly, what what an unnatural thing this is.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_01: And and so the question is, well, why?
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_01: Well, it turns out that we don't know why.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_01: There's no research on it.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_01: Nobody, can you imagine all the interesting things to research?
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_01: And nobody in all the land grant universities, nobody, nobody has actually researched why this is happening.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_00: That's crazy.
• 6:11
  SPEAKER_00: And now, is it only happening in the male cows?
• 6:13
  SPEAKER_00: Are the female cows that have never had babies?
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_01: Some heifers are also lactating, but not as but but um uh not not as many.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_01: But some some heifers that that have never had a calf, okay, that have that have never birthed anything, uh, some of them are lactating as well.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_01: But obviously the the big red flag is the is the males, these males that are that are lactating.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_01: So there are two there are two theories right now that Molly has unearthed.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm just bringing this up because uh this just crossed my desk yesterday, literally seen it yesterday, and I was just I I I couldn't I mean I couldn't stop reading her article because it just it just was brand new.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_01: I never heard of it before.
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_01: There are two thoughts.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_01: One is is it the is it the um the implants?
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_01: So they put these hormonal implants in the ear, uh, because we don't eat the ears in the U.S.
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_01: And so the ear is a nice safe place to put the implant to um to make them grow faster.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_01: And um and so so that's that's obviously for most of us, Cena, in on our side of the agriculture, that's where we point our fingers.
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_01: But the other side is, well, is it something in the feed?
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_01: Is there something in the because it's only in the animals that are in these large feedlots?
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_01: And it it's not in, it's not in farms like ours.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_01: It's not in small operations, it's only in the great big feedlots.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_01: So is there something in the in the feed there, whether it's a carryover from you know corn and soybeans and and wheat uh or you know whatever else is being fed, or is it some uh additive there in the ration?
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_01: Uh we don't know.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_01: But anyway, uh I'm just I'm just explaining the um the story.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_01: It is who knows if anybody in the national media is going to pick this up.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it has it has all of the it has all of the um whatever, you know, the it checks all the boxes for a massive, massive national story.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_01: Uh the the question is, you know, will anybody in the mainstream media pick this up?
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_01: I have no clue.
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_01: But uh but I wanted to bring it up because uh Molly has researched this well to the extent of her ability right now, but uh essentially she ran into dead ends because nobody's actually researched this as to why this is happening, and there's obviously a reason because all of all of the beef you know produced this way, it never happens, and the beef produced this way runs almost a 20% occurrence rate.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_01: There's got to be something that's making it happen.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_01: And the question is what?
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_00: So the smaller farmers, like the family farms that are using more of the custom slaughterhouses, right?
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_00: You're saying so they are not using the hormones in their beef cattle?
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_01: Well, generally not.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I mean, especially direct farms, direct market farms like us, you know, we we say, you know, we don't we don't add any hormones.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_01: Uh that's that's one of our, you know, one of our marketing sticks, you know, uh no added hormones.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_01: Um so yeah, you know, you know, it's funny, Cena, from a labeling standpoint, beyond labels, from a labeling standpoint, um, a farmer can't say um no hormones.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_00: So cows have hormones.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_01: Animals naturally secrete hormones.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_01: So you can't say no hormones on the on the label, but you can say no added hormones.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so so that'll that would point towards more of a hormonal issue than a feed, because sometimes even small farmers they f they finish on grain.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely, absolutely.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_01: Look, between you and me and a fence post, it's gotta be, it's gotta be those uh those hormonal implants.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it just has to be.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, but but then the question is, well, as they sought uh FDA approval, did any of this show up in the trials?
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_01: If it did, did anybody ask, is this acceptable?
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_01: Um obviously the question is, does it have human, does it come over into the humans?
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_01: And we have early puberty or we have you know issues in humans.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_01: You know, uh uh nobody knows at this point, but um we don't know what all those ramifications are.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, wouldn't it wouldn't it be fascinating to feed one group of people um beef from lactating steers and one group of people beef from regular uh normal steers and and and see you know on a long-term study, you know, five years and see if there's any difference.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_01: Wouldn't that be fascinating?
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_00: It would be fascinating.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_00: Track their hormones and see how their system responds.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I I think I highly doubt this will go national.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, hopefully it will, but I highly doubt it.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_00: Because could you imagine if people found out that these boy cows that they're eating are producing milk?
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_00: Like nobody wants to eat a boy cow that's that's yeah, making milk.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_00: Like that just sounds wrong.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, yeah, yeah.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_00: You can ask a five-year-old which which burger do you want to eat?
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, the the they're gonna the five-year-old's gonna pick the the correct burger, you know?
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_00: Now now does she happen to figure out or track down how long this has been happening where these boy cows are lactating?
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_01: Don't don't have a don't have a start date because it's all you know um it's all fairly nebulous uh as a start date.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_01: So there there there she hasn't been tracked down an absolute start date, start date, but but um it is relatively recent.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_01: I mean like within the last 30 years.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, which is you know rel relatively recent.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_01: In other words, there there's there's no record of this, there's no record of this pre-1960.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_01: None.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_00: This may be the best kept secret for the last 30 years.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_01: That that's what that's what I felt like.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_01: When when I read it, I was just uh what's the word now?
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_01: Gobsmacked.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, I I I I I think you're right, Cena.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_01: I think this is one of the best kept secrets around.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_01: And um, and boy, if this actually got out to be common knowledge, uh, you would see a um, I think you'd see a consumer backlash.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_00: This might drive people to their small farmer.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, to a to a uh a natural farmer that doesn't use these uh implants.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_01: And of course, you know these implants are made by the same companies that make the antibiotics and the pharmaceuticals.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's all it's it's all one big uh tangled web.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_00: Wow, hopefully that news breaks.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_00: And you know what?
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_00: I bet you, I bet you a lot of Americans, if this story breaks, they will also be surprised that the beef cattle are allowed to be given synthetic hormones.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_00: I bet you a lot of people don't even know that.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, but but yeah, most most of them are.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, well, let's definitely follow this story and see, and I'll do some digging too and see if I can find anything.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_00: Uh because this this is fascinating to me.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, in a scary negative way, but still, yeah, yeah.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_00: It's still interesting.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_00: You definitely have my attention.
• 14:13
  unknown: Yeah.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, great.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_00: Well, Joel, in other news, did you hear that um we have a couple things happening in terms of the vaccine space?
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_00: We have Trump signing an executive order.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_00: Um that what they're saying, overhauling the childhood uh vaccine schedule.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_00: And you have the FDA has approved Moderna's first ever mRNA flu shot.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_00: So let's start with the let's start with the executive order.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_00: So this one, this one actually just happened, and I'll tell you, uh, there's a lot of pushback uh even from people in the medical freedom side.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_00: So this is this is very um interesting.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_00: So in this executive order, he is uh basically saying that uh the US recommends childhood vaccines um more than any other peer nation, two times as many vaccines as some European nations.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um and right now the schedule includes 18 diseases that we vaccinate for.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_00: And Trump wants to decrease it to 11 that are gonna be on uh the universal the universal list of recommended.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_00: So there's seven diseases that have been moved from the universally advised list for all children and shifted to either a high-risk group should get it, um, or there should be doctor-parent decisions for those vaccines.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_00: So those vaccines that have been shifted off the list of universally advised are the COVID-19, uh the influenza, HEP A, HEP B, rotavirus, RSV, and bacterial meningitis.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_00: And then there's still the universally recommended um 11 vaccines.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_00: That's measles, mumps, rubella, diphtheria, tetanus, protessis, polio, um, and hemophilus influenza type B, pneumococcal disease, HPV, and varicella uh chickenpox.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_00: So that's one thing that he did trying to dramatically reduce them from 18 to 11.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_00: The other thing is to separate the MMR shots.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_00: So measleman's rubella, and right now it's combined, and he wants them to be separated into single disease vaccine options.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_00: And they should be administered at separate medical visits.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_00: You know, as you know, MMR is um has was tied to uh like autism and uh you know negative, a lot of negative adverse events.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_00: And so he's saying split them out and space them out.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_00: Uh another part of this executive order is they want to conduct studies to use an alternative to aluminum.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_00: So this is so there's adjuvants in many of the vaccines, and that's to intentionally activate the immune response.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_00: Uh so you can your body can develop um immunity.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_00: You know, that that's the concept of how vaccines work.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_00: And right now, one of the adjuvants that's used is aluminum.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and so he's wanting studies to be done to replace the aluminum.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_00: There's five studies right now linking aluminum in vaccines to autism, asthma, and SIDS.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_00: So they want to address that.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_00: And then the one of the the last point, main point of his executive order, is that Trump wants to strengthen parental choice.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_00: So they're saying they're supporting maximal parental choice over childhood vaccines.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_00: And they want the attorney general of the states to take the appropriate action to support legal challenges involving parental authority, your religious right to say no, um, and medical vaccine exemptions.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_00: So this executive order comes out.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_00: Some people are rejoicing and saying this is great, this is long overdue, like we're making headway.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_00: Some people are calling for Kennedy's resignation.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, so we have a a large swing of responses that are happening here.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_00: And part of it is because COVID-19 is still on the list, is not universally recommended, but it is under uh shared clinical decision making.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_00: So that's parent doctor decision making.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, and they want it off.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um, he also went on uh he went on a news show and he told people that they should get the he that they should give their children the MMR and said that that's one of the the shots that's been studied.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_00: So there was one of the studies I wanted to point out on that is that this study came out showing um deaths following MMR vaccination in the United States, and they tracked the data from 1995 to 2025, they compared deaths from the vaccine, and then they compared um deaths from measles, right?
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_00: Because part of the MMR is to protect you against measles during that time period of 1995 to twent to 2025, there were seven deaths from measles.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_00: There were 193 deaths from the vaccine.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_00: So this study has has been out, and because Kennedy went on you know national television and said, yes, this one's safe, you should give this to your children.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_00: People are are up in arms uh about this now.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_01: Now I So when you say people are up in arms, um you're you're talking about people who want to be friendly with RFK Jr.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, so I'm talking about people I mean there there are there are pe people up in arms.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_01: Uh there are some people up in arms no matter you know what anybody says.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_01: Uh but these the in other words, this this is additional, uh I call it fracturing of the Maha movement.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, it is an additional fracturing of the Maha movement.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_00: You uh summed it up nicely.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_00: These are people who are in the medical freedom movement, and there's an open letter circulating around social media right now demanding his resignation.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I'll here, I'll read just part of this to you.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, you once called the COVID vaccine, quote, mass murder.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_00: Now you call Operation Warp speed and quote, extraordinary accomplishment and the COVID vaccine as genius.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_00: Um Since working for Trump, you have not only promoted wearables that upload citizens' health data into real-time databases, defended Trump's glyphosate executive order as a quote, matter of national security, stood behind the CEO of Pfizer smiling while more big farmer deals were made.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_00: You recommended the MMR and blamed religious groups for disease.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_00: So in that same news report where he recommended MMR, he said that the people who are getting measles are like the Amish, like the ones that have this religious um, you know, exemption.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so he blamed the religious groups for doing that.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_00: And you also remain silent on the new uh mRNA vaccine rollout, which we'll get to in just a minute.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_00: So they're saying that that you've betrayed yourself, you've abandoned your own fight, you're gonna abandon anybody.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um resign now, step down from HS HHS.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um stop pretending that busy work, cooking shows, and doing push-ups with Kid Rock and Saunas is about making America healthy again when you continue to be fully complicit in Big Pharma's liability-free and deadly profit machine.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_00: So I don't know if you know that, but can Kennedy came out with a new um cooking show.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, I've I've seen it all over the place.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he travels around and cooks with different chefs.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_00: I saw uh with the first episode, I liked it.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_00: Like I thought, well, this is one of the problems, is that people don't know how to cook anymore.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_00: Cooking's a last part.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_00: So I think it's fantastic to do these quick cooking videos.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm telling you, the food looked really good.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and they're they're trying to do it for trying to show you how to cook with real food for less money, you know.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_00: Um to be affordable.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_00: But that's what she's talking about here.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_00: That your cooking show, push-ups with food.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_01: In other words, yeah, what what she's saying is you can't you can't take every hill that shows itself.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_01: So you have to you have to pick your battles and uh you know, pick your strategy.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_01: And are we really you know, and so on the one hand to um to applaud the MMR, to applaud glyphosate, and then go on a cooking show, you're you're putting your attention and time on the wrong hill.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_01: You're you're you're you're taking the wrong hill.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's that's what she's saying.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you're taking and and they're like trying to claim wins for what she's saying are not important things.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_01: You're taking the little hill and not taking the big hill.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_00: That's right.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_00: So that uh that he's abandoning his principles, betrayal of the movement.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and she ends with the blood on your hands will never wash clean until you resign and repent.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, very strong.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_01: So who is this?
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_00: This is uh so this was on X, um, someone named Um Tara.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_01: Or Tara.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Tara, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_00: And um, so I wanted to get your take on this.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then I do want to go in and and talk about the um the MRNA flu shot and this new rollout.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_00: When I when I first saw the executive order, my my first thought was, okay, so Kennedy's got Trump's attention.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_00: And the fact the fact that midterms are right around the corner, I think this was released on this was released on oh a Monday.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_00: I believe this, if I'm getting that right, I think this was released on a Monday.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yep, August 10th.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_00: So oftentimes when politicians want to, you know, not make the news, they release something Friday afternoon.
• 26:03
  unknown: Right?
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_00: This was released Monday morning, yeah.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_00: Or like Monday.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_00: So beginning of the week was released before a midterm.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_00: Uh that in and of itself is a statement, right?
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_00: That at least they're giving some kind of importance, some kind of um stage presence to this executive order.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_00: Also, the realization that, I mean, they keep sidelining.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_00: They did this with the vaccine committee.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_00: You know, the judge sidelined them.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_00: So there they've been trying to make some advances, but they do keep getting sidelined.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_00: And there's not much Trump can do at this point.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_00: Even this executive order basically doesn't carry much weight because the state governments decide which vaccines are gonna be mandatory for school children.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_00: That's a state thing.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_00: The federal government can give a recommended schedule, but the states are the ones that decide.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, the federal government can control federal payments, like if they're gonna pay for the free vaccines to Medicare providers through the Vaccine for Children's program, right?
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_00: So they can withhold money from them.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_00: I doubt they're going to do that, but they could, but they can't actually dictate the schedule.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_00: And in fact, 28 states already have indicated that they're not going to follow it.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_00: Some states already after Kennedy got elected and started, you know, doing things with the vaccine schedule, some states already created their own vaccine schedule.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_00: So there's really not a lot of legal teeth behind here.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so this is more of like almost like a show.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_00: Like here, you know, I'm throwing you a bone, but understanding there's not much we could do about this, uh, I I do think that it I think it's probably for people who follow this, um, follow this issue and are affected by it, I do think there are they are following along with Tara's sentiment in large part.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_00: For people who don't follow the topic, but maybe they come across this, it's probably going to upset them and think that, oh, now he's, you know, anti-vax and like Kennedy got to him.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so it's it's a very it was very polarizing, I would say.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_00: It was a very polarizing move.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_01: And well, it's it's uh yeah, Cena, it's a it's a perfect example of trying to straddle the fence.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, it's like just trying to straddle the fence.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_01: And and what happens when you straddle a fence is you rip your pants.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_01: And and you know, I that doesn't mean I'm I'm not interested in compromise, but but when you when you try to when you try to placate all people that are as that are as diametrically opposites as this, that that's that's when um straddling the fence is deadly, I think.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_01: You don't make anybody happy and you infuriate everybody.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_01: One side says you didn't go far enough, the other side says you went too far.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_01: And so you you end you end up instead of what what what you're trying to do is make is make everybody some happy and instead you make everybody unhappy.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's right.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_00: So I you know, and this one I like I said, it's a difficult situation for them because they are getting sidelined by the courts um and trying to change the vaccine schedule.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_00: But also you know, if Maha is really Trump and Kennedy, I think what people have forgot is that that means that Maha is not anti-vax because Kennedy is not an anti-vaxxer, and he has said this numerous times.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_00: He's not opposed to vaccines, he is in favor of safe vaccines, he's not opposed to them, right?
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_00: So thinking that he would maybe get rid of the vaccine schedule in its entirety or make them all under, you know, shared clinical decision making, which I think they should all be under shared clinical decision making, which means the parent and the doctor talk about it together and decide what's right for that parent's child.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_00: It's an individualized approach.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_00: So don't take the vaccines away from people who want them, right?
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_00: But don't mandate them for people who don't want them.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_00: Um, because we know there is natural immunity, for example.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_00: So so I would have liked to see him say these are all going to go under shared clinical decision making.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, because knowing he's not an anti-vaxxer.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_01: Right, right.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_01: Wouldn't it be cool, Cena?
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_01: I just can't help it, you know.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_01: Wouldn't it be cool if uh if they came out tomorrow, uh RFK Jr.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_01: and Trump came out and did a did a joint press conference that says, we've come to a realization your health is not the government's business.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_01: It's just not.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_01: It's your business.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_01: Your health is your business.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_01: So, starting today, we're not gonna fund any studies about it.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_01: We're not gonna tell you what to do, we're not gonna recommend anything.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_01: Your health is your business.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you very much.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_01: Have a great life.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_01: And we're not gonna meddle.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_01: You know, wouldn't that be I mean, that's what this that's what this stuff is all about, isn't it?
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's it's it's it's trying to you we're back to this, well now we're in charge, let's put money in our bucket instead of their bucket.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I'm saying, why have a bucket at all?
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_01: And um and so this is the this is the problem that no nobody is nobody is willing to um to to create a new uh whatever, a new assumption that your health is your business.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_01: That that that that that can't even enter into the discussion.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_01: So what you gotta do is you you gotta you gotta yap around the edges, you know, you gotta wrap around these edges and try to create a new um you know a new uh um uh model within the con within the the philosophy of the old.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_01: And that's really, really difficult.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_00: Well, and he can't even do that.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_00: Like even if even if Kennedy wanted to make them all under shared clinical decision making, for example, he can't even do that because there's too many, um, there's too much involvement by, you know, big pharma, um, and and too many people who are kind of bought and paid for.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_00: So so part of this is like I so I don't think that I don't think Kennedy himself even knew the extent of it when he agreed to be HHS secretary.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_00: Uh you know, say Oh, I guarantee it.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_01: I guarantee it.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because um, because I don't know anybody in their rational mind who would sign up for what he's having to go through, right?
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he's constantly on uh on threat of being on the chopping block, right?
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_00: He he has to toe the line to a certain extent, and um so I don't think he under he even himself realized what he was getting into uh with all the many tentacles of government and you know the corporate private, I mean the the corporate government interactions and whatnot.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_00: And um, and so I don't think that it's fair to assume that the public understands that either.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_00: They just see a man who promised one thing, said something, and now he's saying something else, like with glyphosate, like with warp speed.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_00: You say one thing and then you're saying something else.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_00: It's like with Fauci, you said something, and now we see in your diaries and the text, you said something else, you know?
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_00: So they feel betrayed.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, and rightfully so.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_00: And Kennedy can't really come out and say, I have to toe the line because of X, Y, and Z, or they're holding X, Y, and Z over me, you know, because then that's gonna throw Trump under the bus, who is the man who feeds him.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_00: Like it is this vicious cycle.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_00: So he is really trapped in a hard place.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_00: And so I think that's why you see him getting these wins of these low-hanging fruit, like the food dies, like the cooking show, like, you know, um, he's got this, you know, physical education videos that are out and stuff.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_00: And by the way, are really inspiring.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_00: They're filmed in Colorado.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_00: I thought it was so pretty.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_00: I wanted to move to Colorado after watching that video.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_00: But anyway, that's really all he can do at this point, other than what we've said on this podcast over and over again.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_00: Kennedy's largest contribution is the awareness factor.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_00: And so now he's bringing awareness to the issue of vaccines and adverse events that are happening.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_00: And now it's up to the parents.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_00: It's up to the parents and medical doctors, for goodness sakes, to look into the research for themselves, right?
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_00: And and figure out if they want to be consenting to this or not.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_00: You know, to your point, Joel, if Trump came out and just said, you know what, the the um your health is not our business anymore, we're out.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, there'd be some fallout, but could you imagine if the government was out of the business of health?
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_00: Because even that would free up medical doctors, maybe not immediately, but over time, that right now they are indoctrinated with um the edicts handed down to them from the government.
• 35:50
  unknown: Right.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_00: And so that's what they are confined in.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_00: They have to follow that.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so do registered dietitians, for example.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_00: But if that was all removed and you gave them time to sit there and think about, well, what would I actually recommend?
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_00: You know, let me now research it.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_00: It forces them to have to go find solutions, to have to go figure out how do I actually feel about that?
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_00: Like, how what am I going to recommend?
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_00: Instead of just, okay, here's the government recommendation, bam, off your way and your 12-minute appointment's done.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, so it would even benefit the medical doctors, which benefit us.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_00: It would start us to start thinking again, you know, start being able to do the sleuthing and figure out what is the research on this?
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_00: What are these people saying?
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_00: You know, which which brings me to the um this new, newly rolled out first time ever mRNA flu shot.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_00: It's from Moderna.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_00: And talk about sleuthing, Joel.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_00: The document from the FDA, um, you know, which is basically saying the data that was presented and the approval of it, it's 92 pages long.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_00: 92 pages.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_00: So this is what one reason why it's so difficult for people to go and do the sleuthing.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, so I read this, this is how I spend my Friday evenings, like is I read these documents and then Donnie and I, you know, talk about them and whatnot.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and that's like our Friday date night.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_00: But but I'm kind of unusual.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_01: I'd I'd I'd rather I'd rather um you know uh have somebody pull my fingernails out with needlenose pliers.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_00: Well, that's why we're a good team, right?
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_00: I'm doing the research and you're on the ground actually doing it in real life.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_01: Like That's right.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_01: So you so you you plow you plowed through the approval.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so I plowed through the approval, and I'll tell you um, so a headline that's out, and I want to I want to give you a couple of um a couple of statistics that came out of that document.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_00: But first of all, this is an mRNA vaccine.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_00: Again, the first um mRNA flu vaccine, it has a similar which which is not which is not really a vaccine.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_00: Well we can call it jab.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I don't because I don't want to get we're gonna get censored if I keep saying vaccine.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_00: So let's just call it, let's call it a a shot.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so a shot, because they might be censoring jab now.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_00: Who knows?
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so it's similar to the COVID shot um in the delivery system.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_00: So just just in brief, they both use a messenger RNA, the mRNA.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_00: It's wrapped inside this tiny protective little fat bubble, which is the liquid lipid nanoparticle.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_00: And um it's so it doesn't contain a live virus or an inactivated virus.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_00: Like the regular flu, flu shot, um, they use like a medium, often like an egg-based meat medium.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_00: This one doesn't.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_00: So the your body is supplied with that um genetic material, that messenger RNA, and your body's own cells make that, um, they read it and they make that surface protein that's coded in that messenger RNA.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_00: Your immune system recognizes that protein is foreign and it will create antibodies to it.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_00: And the idea is to build immune memory so that when you are exposed to the flu, uh to that, to that flu virus, they say, that you already have the antibodies to fight it off.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_00: They're both relying on synthetic sequence design.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and that way they're saying that's a benefit over the traditional egg or cell-based culture method, because they can update the genetic code in a matter of weeks, right?
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_00: Because these quote-unquote viruses mutate.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_00: So that's the science behind it.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_00: Now, the headline that's going around is that the FDA has approved this despite of the mRNA flu shot having a 75.3% adverse reaction rate.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so let's break this down.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_00: Now, there was there was no control group in that we would think of.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_00: So there wasn't a placebo control group.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_00: Like practically every single vaccine, um, there was no uh saline control.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, it was actually tested against the regular flu vaccine.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so non- non-mRNA flu vaccine.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_00: And what they showed was that about 75% of the recipients of the mRNA vaccine experienced at least one temporary side effect.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but a 49% of people in the traditional vaccine group also experienced a temporary side effect.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_00: Most of the side effects were a mild to moderate, uh, like fatigue, like arm pain, things like that, but also fatigue, and they lasted one to two days.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_00: But both groups had what they call what are medically serious adverse events.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_00: And it said that they remained equivalent between both groups.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so around 2% of the people.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_00: So again, one thing I want to point out as we go through this is, you know, number one, just so everyone is aware, that there is no uh saline control placebo group.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_00: So number two, as I read through the document, I thought to myself, okay, they're saying that they approve of this uh shot because there's no more adverse events than there was in the people who received the regular flu shot that's not mRNA derived.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_00: Isn't that pretty telling to you?
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's just accepted as a matter of fact that there are adverse events that are going to happen.
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_00: Like, and yet if you say that, you're censored, right?
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_00: Or you're anti-vax, you're a vaccine, you know, skeptic.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_00: So um I I drilled down in this 90-some odd page document to the parts that I thought were the most important for people to understand.
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_00: And that's the safety profile.
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_00: So there's um there's an investigator-determined vaccine injury list.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_00: So this means that it wasn't just reported by a recipient in the study of the vaccine.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_00: The investigator determined that these were vaccine injuries.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_00: So there was um nine, nine mRNA recipients and three of the regular vaccine recipients that had at least one serious adverse event that was associated with the vaccine.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_00: One was acute coronary syndrome, which is like a sudden intense constriction or spasm of the coronary arteries, and that cuts oxygen from being delivered to the heart.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um, one was facial swelling, one was pulmonary um embolism.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_00: So this person had a lung infection and blood clots in the lung.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_00: One was deep vein thrombosis that led to pulmonary embolism.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_00: And Joel, one was death.
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_00: The person died on day two after receiving the vaccine.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_00: So then I looked into the death component that was listed in this in this document.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_00: It says that deaths during the study period, deaths were reported in 102 people who received the mRNA shot, and 97% of people, or sorry, 97 people who received the regular vaccine.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_00: Now, within 28 days.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_00: the vaccine the deaths were about the same in both groups it was 13 people versus 14 and over time though um that changed and when you looked at probable causes there was an imbalance so about 23 percent of sorry sorry 23 people who received the mRNA vaccine versus nine people who received the regular vaccine um died from unspecified causes okay that expanded you know so all of this is big big statistics but basically the what they said at the end was that 29 people died from getting the mRNA vaccine versus 12 from getting the regular vaccine and that these were um like unexplained but they did say that there was no autopsy from the mRNA group so they said quote it limits the definitive cause of death um ascertainment FDA's assessment based on temporal distribution of events overall mortality balance across the trial and documented pre-existing comorbility suggests the imbalance is unlikely to represent a causal relationship with vaccination so they don't know there are no autopsies done but their FDA's just assessed that there is well what's what what's worse is they don't know but they're not even curious.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah they didn't do any further evaluation you know um and I'll tell you there were more adverse events than what they're reporting but what happens is when you do these types of studies, you have a predefined risk window.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_00: So that means we're going to look for X amount of days and see if there's differences in these two groups and then that's our adverse events, right?
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_00: Well they had already decided that there's a 42 day post-vaccination risk window.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_00: Okay so they saw differences but when the differences were outside of that 42 day risk window they didn't count them then they don't count those yes so for example myocarditis and pericarditis um they saw 10 cases for the mRNA recipients and seven cases for the regular recipients of the vaccine but they said there was no signal right that means like no safety signal no red flag because the the cases happened after the 42 days the same with there was Guillaume Boret syndrome there was one case an mRNA recipient it was outside the 42 day risk window so they said it's quote not related and there was Bell's palsy cases um but again they didn't they didn't cite that as a signal.
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_01: So this tells you a little bit about how they do the research and a little bit how the FDA comes in and just declares oh that's not related and I mean it's literally one after the next if you go through the it's like it's like let's have let's have coffee together and bring your papers and I'll sign them and we'll have and we'll we'll tell jokes over coffee and I'll sign your papers.
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah yep it's it's crazy.
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_00: And they also acknowledge there was a quote key uncertainty that um the efficacy of this vaccine in immunocompromised individuals and very frail older adults had not been established.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_00: And they talked about how I thought you would love this Joel I thought of you immediately the data on concamin um so administrating this mRNA vaccine with routine other vaccines like RSV or pneumococcal vaccines for example it's not available.
• 48:03
  SPEAKER_00: The data on what happens when you give this vaccine alongside other vaccines there's just no data on that.
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_00: The the cocktail the cocktail there's no data on that so and and that's okay like that's business as usual so just move along um so anyway uh this so this is another reason why people are upset because almost a year ago to the date when this came out with approval Kennedy was like we're not gonna fund this research anymore like right like I'm not gonna be supporting the mRNA vaccines.
• 48:41
  SPEAKER_00: Now you have this one's just rolled out and there's like it's like crickets you know um to for a lot of people so uh I mean for a lot of news organizations and stuff and there's just it's almost like it's just um business as usual look the other way uh by the way one of the things I found that might help people is that um who are interested in this topic because we talk about how uh it's a big deal to not have a saline placebo control.
• 49:13
  SPEAKER_00: Okay and people will say all the time these studies are placebo controlled but they don't really understand that it's not a saline placebo.
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_00: It's usually a placebo that is the a different version of the same type of vaccine.
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_00: So um like like we showed right here.
• 49:33
  SPEAKER_00: So ICANN the informed consent action network has a really handy dandy PDF that I'll link in the show description.
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_00: They actually go through the the CDC recommended vaccines and they have one chart and they they talk about if is there a placebo and then how long was the safety review and they've actually hyperlinked the package insert.
• 49:57
  SPEAKER_00: So every vaccine comes with a package insert from the manufacturer and you can look in there and they've listed the adverse reactions in the insert.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_00: So you don't even you don't have to you know trust us on this podcast or trust ICANN or anything.
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_00: You can just read the package insert for yourself.
• 50:17
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's one of the strongest arguments that somebody could make and one of the strongest recommendations I would ever give to somebody who's considering vaccinating themselves or a family member because it comes from the company itself.
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_00: So it's doing your due diligence it's not an anti-vax stance it's doing your due diligence of being aware of what someone's putting in your body.
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_00: So the bottom the take home point of that PDF is that and it says on top none of the vaccine doses the CDC recommends for routine injection into children were licensed by the FDA based on a long-term placebo controlled trial meaning meaning um saline placebo so if you go down the only one so there's a COVID there's a COVID 19 one now that they're saying is um had a placebo control and again you can look at their reviews they're hyperlinked right there and then the only other one is um for dungey fever but we don't give that to our ch our kids like you know not here in America all none of the other ones actually have a saline placebo control.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_01: Wow wow well that's something well yeah we're out of time here uh but that's that's it's um it's frustrating isn't it I mean you the same boat crossing the same river and and you think you want to make progress but uh it's it's it's tough.
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's a big mountain scene it's a it's a big mountain and I've um you and I have both touched it enough to realize just how big it is and I I think you're right I think RFK uh could not have imagined all the threads that would be in that in that crazy quilt.
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of threads there.
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah so um here's the question on a scale of one to ten one being failure ten being success where's RFK Jr.
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_01: now here we are um you know um a good ways into this administration and um where are we scale of one to ten one failure ten success um where is he yeah I like that and and you know I would love to know what people's expectations were of him yeah right right because I think my response is gonna be very different than like that girl Tara's response because I didn't have these misplaced expectations like right right right that's right that's right well great um yeah it's always it's always good to keep keep things in context and kind of know all the different threads involved um all right well you got your question uh we've had a we've had a pretty fast flowing uh exchange here lots of good information Cena thanks for keeping us up on update on things we thank you all for being with us and uh we look forward to being with you on another Beyond Labels podcast next week