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Pirates in on spending and Konnor Griffin incoming · Bucco Territory: A Pittsburgh Pirates Podcast

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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody?
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Speaker 2: Welcome back to another episode of Buco Territory here presented
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Speaker 2: by the Foul Territory Network.
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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Noahiles, and joining.
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Speaker 2: Me as always are Jay Hay aka Josh Harrison and
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Speaker 2: Mark aka Platinum Key Fellas. Some big news to talk about,
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Speaker 2: or maybe big news about potential big news. A lot
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Speaker 2: to get into on this show, and it all pertains
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Speaker 2: to a off season preview written by none other than
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Speaker 2: Jeff Passen of ESPN. I think everyone is aware. Everyone
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Speaker 2: is familiar with Passon's game. When he writes something, it
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Speaker 2: is it is relevant. You know, there was a lot
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Speaker 2: that was reported in that story where if it was
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Speaker 2: reported by someone else, I would be like, okay, you know,
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Speaker 2: we'll see the fact that it had Jeff Passon's name
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Speaker 2: on it, a guy who has been admittedly critical of
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Speaker 2: the Pirates organization. For him to report these things at
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Speaker 2: the very least, it makes me raise my eyebrows in
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Speaker 2: an interest. So we're going to get into it now.
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Speaker 2: The big takeaway from this Passing story is that the
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Speaker 2: Pirates are looking to spend money big spenders. They say, Josh,
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Speaker 2: you haven't had you haven't heard this one before?
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Speaker 3: Right, not not in association with the Pittsburgh Pirates, right.
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Speaker 3: But you know, things can be subject to change. So
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Speaker 3: who knows, maybe that big spenders with the question mark
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Speaker 3: may change to an exclamation point.
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Speaker 1: I mean, we'll certainly see. There's a lot to get
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Speaker 1: into here.
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Speaker 2: The big example that was listed in the story was
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Speaker 2: they offered Naylor double the largest contract that they've signed
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Speaker 2: in free agency, which is Francisco Leary.
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Speaker 1: I know you remember him dropping Three years, thirty nine
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Speaker 1: million was their deal for Larry Ao. Apparently they offered
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Speaker 1: Naylor about eighty million, which still wasn't enough. He signed
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Speaker 1: for five years ninety two and a half million. I'm
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Speaker 1: curious to see how many years they offered Naylor because
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Speaker 1: if they offered him four for eighty, it's a.
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Speaker 2: Higher annual value. He just signed for more years. But Mark,
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Speaker 2: I want to ask you what is being a big like?
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Speaker 2: What is spending more? When they say they want to
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Speaker 2: spend more, what does that actually mean? Because like you,
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Speaker 2: if I tell you, hey, I'm gonna eat healthier than
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Speaker 2: I did last week, that's.
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Speaker 1: Not saying much.
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Speaker 2: So what exactly does what exactly what you hear they're
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Speaker 2: looking to spend more?
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Speaker 1: What are you hoping that means, and what do you
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Speaker 1: honestly think that means?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, so obviously spending more is well, it can only
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Speaker 4: go up. Really, that's doing the bare minimum is spending more.
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Speaker 4: So yeah, it's not surprising that that's the plan, and
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Speaker 4: I think that's going to look like probably what's being
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Speaker 4: reported is spending maybe like thirty to forty million in
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Speaker 4: free agency, which not necessarily a lot, but at the
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Speaker 4: same time, that's a lot more than we had been spending.
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Speaker 4: So it is encouraging. It raises eyebrows, especially the source.
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Speaker 4: But also I think a lot of Pirates fans are
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Speaker 4: just jaded at this point and we'll believe it once
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Speaker 4: they see it and don't want to get their hopes up.
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Speaker 4: So I think that's where I fall into, is the
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Speaker 4: camp of this is nice to hear these things and
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Speaker 4: have my eyebrows raised, but really do something to shock
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Speaker 4: me that actually is concrete.
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Speaker 2: Here are two reasons I'm skeptical, well three, I mean
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Speaker 2: the first one is obvious, like it's the Pirates, right.
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Speaker 1: Number two is the word one.
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Speaker 2: In high school, Well, I wanted to go to prom
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Speaker 2: with Alex Morgan, the star player on the US women's
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Speaker 2: soccer team.
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Speaker 1: I shot her on Instagram DM.
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Speaker 2: I ended up going with Lizzie Strain instead shout out
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Speaker 2: Lizzie Stricken.
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Speaker 1: He married.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Lizzie Resnick is her name now she has a kid,
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Speaker 2: beautiful family. But anyway, you know, you can want to
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Speaker 2: do things. But another way to have worded this, if
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Speaker 2: you were serious in my opinion, was we will be
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Speaker 2: spending more money m hm. And that brings up the
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Speaker 2: other point of contention for me is a little more
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Speaker 2: than a month ago or no, it would be two
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Speaker 2: months ago.
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Speaker 5: Now.
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Speaker 2: I interviewed the team president and I was part of
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Speaker 2: a group that interviewed the team president, and we asked
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Speaker 2: him point blank, will payroll be going up? And he
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Speaker 2: would not commit to saying yes. And we asked him,
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Speaker 2: will there be more resources allocated towards this team in
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty six? And his response was they had enough resources,
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Speaker 2: that they had the resources they had were sufficient to winning.
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Speaker 1: And then how did he end it?
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Speaker 4: Mark, I can't recall it, but it was oh, stop period, yeah,
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Speaker 4: full stop period, yep.
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Speaker 2: He said that about thirty times. That was his rehearse line.
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Speaker 2: I think he like looked in the mirror before, like
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Speaker 2: the press, we're going to drop this.
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Speaker 1: Bar on him.
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Speaker 2: But in all seriousness, it's like you could say, you're
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Speaker 2: going to do a lot of things right. And granted
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Speaker 2: we're recording this on November nineteenth, in the evening, it's
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Speaker 2: going to run on November twentieth. No one has really
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Speaker 2: spent any significant money and free agency yet. I mean,
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Speaker 2: you could say the Mariners have because they did they
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Speaker 2: signed a guy to a five year deal. Other teams
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Speaker 2: have made some qualifying offers, but the Pirates really haven't
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Speaker 2: had a huge opportunity to do anything yet because no
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Speaker 2: one else has. But this, to me should be met
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Speaker 2: with skepticism. And I'm not doubting the reporting of Jeff Passing.
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Speaker 2: I think everything that he was told was accurate. But
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Speaker 2: it's just, you know, you don't get brownie points for
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Speaker 2: trying in baseball, Josh.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure you tried hard every bad of your career.
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Speaker 2: My game, yes, but you only got to hit in
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Speaker 2: like thirty percent of them, right, So.
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Speaker 6: I wanted to hit in every game.
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Speaker 2: I want exactly you wanted to. So let's let's talk
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Speaker 2: about this. Do you think that this is something that
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Speaker 2: Pirate fans should be excited about? Josh, or do you
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Speaker 2: think this is just lip service right.
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Speaker 3: Now, I'm gonna say a little bit of lip service
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Speaker 3: just given the history of where we are with the
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Speaker 3: organization and what's going on. But to backtrack basically, what
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Speaker 3: you spoke on a month or two when you spoke
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Speaker 3: to the president, maybe it's a flu situation where he's
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Speaker 3: had a conversation or Bob has had some conversation with
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Speaker 3: some people that have made his comments from a month
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Speaker 3: or two ago be kind of eyewash. But at the
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Speaker 3: same time, you're never gonna you never will tell somebody
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Speaker 3: what you're gonna do exactly. So I think the way
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Speaker 3: that their wording get with oh we want to is,
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Speaker 3: you know, take it for what it's worth. People that
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Speaker 3: are really all into it, Oh you're going to spend
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Speaker 3: where you got other people that are gonna be skeptic
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Speaker 3: because they're because they're like, I mean, you can say
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Speaker 3: you want to do something, but until you really do it,
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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna believe it. So for me, I'm I'm
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Speaker 3: still big into the you gotta show me, you know,
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Speaker 3: and and I get it still early in the off season,
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Speaker 3: as you said, nobody's really been big spenders so far
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Speaker 3: have been some qualifying offers. I know Rule five you
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Speaker 3: know protection is coming up for guys. If it hasn't
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Speaker 3: already passed, I think it might have. And okay, so
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Speaker 3: as I know, teams are shortened through that, But realistically,
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Speaker 3: a forty mans spot isn't anything when you're dealing with
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Speaker 3: somebody that is going to make an impact on the team,
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Speaker 3: So you're going to make a spot for that. So
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Speaker 3: but but also think, you know, giving a Pirate situation,
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Speaker 3: I don't think a lot of free agents are going
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Speaker 3: to have them at the top of their list.
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Speaker 6: So in those in those you know moments.
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Speaker 3: They're they're probably going to weigh their options because you know,
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Speaker 3: given Pirate's history, they're like, maybe I can go somewhere
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Speaker 3: else and you know, you know, have a chance to
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Speaker 3: you know, make more money or possibly play for a
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Speaker 3: team that looks like they're trying to win. And until
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Speaker 3: the Pirates address some of those things that we've always
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Speaker 3: talked about, you.
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Speaker 6: Know, I'm still gonna leave that question mark. They're not
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Speaker 6: an exclamation.
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Speaker 2: I'm glad you brought that up, Josh, and I think
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Speaker 1: So guys, real quick, Noah transitioning over.
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Speaker 4: Let me just jump in really quick because I just
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Speaker 4: want to talk make one comparison about what the pirates
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Speaker 4: did here the way I gee it is. It's not
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Speaker 4: something they get be encouraged or be excited about, but
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Speaker 4: be encouraged about. Like I feel like it's like you're
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Speaker 4: like shy friend who never talks to girls finally walked
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Speaker 4: up to a girl at the bar and had a conversation.
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Speaker 4: He didn't get her number, he didn't walk away with
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Speaker 4: a girlfriend, but he did the prerequisit it to actually
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Speaker 4: finally get there and that that's encouraging. It's a step
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Speaker 4: in the right direction. But again, nothing's really set in stone.
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Speaker 4: So I'm encouraged, but not optimistic quite yet.
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Speaker 6: So all right, let's get that shot friend back out there.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, keep going down, keep going on.
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Speaker 1: Of shy friends going up and talking to girls.
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Speaker 2: Passing also reported that the Pirates went up and talked
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Speaker 2: to one of the hottest girls in the bar. As
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Speaker 2: far as free agents are concerned, I mean, Kyle Schwarver
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Speaker 2: seems like a nice guy. I don't know if he
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Speaker 2: piques my interest in that realm, but a baseball play
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Speaker 2: he certainly does. The Pirates are reportedly in on Kyle
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Speaker 2: swarp is what Passion said. I'm gonna go out and say,
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Speaker 2: I don't see that one happening. Schwarber is going to
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Speaker 2: command a deal that has an aav of thirty million
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Speaker 2: dollars a year, if not more. The Pirates again in
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Speaker 2: like another note on they want to spend more. This
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Speaker 2: is a team that, after it trades Mitch Keller away,
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Speaker 2: will have less than forty million dollars a committed payroll.
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Speaker 2: So in order to just get back to the mark
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Speaker 2: where it was on opening day last year, you're gonna
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Speaker 2: have to spend forty to fifty million dollars.
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Speaker 1: Now, granted, Kyle.
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Speaker 2: Schwarber fits in that, but would they Guys, let's just
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Speaker 2: say they do, go and get them right, they sign
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Speaker 2: them for four years, one hundred and twenty million. Is
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Speaker 2: that the best use of those resources? Are they just
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Speaker 2: a Kyle Schwarber away? I mean, I think that that
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Speaker 2: would help their pe are. Certainly, it would give a
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Speaker 2: huge morale boost and it would make the team better.
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Speaker 2: But would they be better off spending let's say they're
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Speaker 2: going to spend fifty to sixty million this offseason, would
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Speaker 2: they be better off spending that on three bats or
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Speaker 2: go all in on the best bat available? Sorry, Josh
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Speaker 2: or Mark Markhead.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, good, all right, all right, all right, all right, Well,
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Speaker 4: I think the previous strategy for the Pirates has been
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Speaker 4: obviously not that big of a chunk of change to spend.
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Speaker 4: But Ben's strategy has been to try and use the
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Speaker 4: budget that he has to acquire multiple pieces. So going
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Speaker 4: out and inquiring one big splash piece like a Kyle
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Speaker 4: Schwarber would be something new, and frankly, going out and
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Speaker 4: trying to spend spread all the money around cover a
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Speaker 4: lot of holes just hasn't resulted in much of a
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Speaker 4: change much success. You look at signing like Andrew Heeney,
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Speaker 4: Tommy fam ikf. If you take all those contracts and
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Speaker 4: put them into one guy, I think there's a chance
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Speaker 4: that the Pirates are better next year. You can only
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Speaker 4: start nine position players, right, so it the more aggregation
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Speaker 4: into talent into those nine slots, the better.
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Speaker 1: Counterpoint you do have to have nine players.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So like that is like I don't know who's
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Speaker 2: playing d H right now, I don't know who's playing
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Speaker 2: in left field right now, I don't know who's at
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Speaker 2: third base.
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Speaker 1: So I mean that's that's kind of the question.
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Speaker 2: But I mean, Josh, I'll ask you from a player perspective,
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Speaker 2: would you rather, because I guess the answer would be
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Speaker 2: if they were to spend it all on like a Schwarber,
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Speaker 2: then you just find pre arb guys. Right, you would
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Speaker 2: do the Keller trade that we talked about in the
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Speaker 2: last episode, where you'd go get some young guys from
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Speaker 2: the Orioles, try to find two position players that way,
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Speaker 2: then you get Schwarber.
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Speaker 1: Those are your three bats. Josh, what.
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Speaker 2: I feel like when you played for the Pirates, you
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Speaker 2: guys were long waiting for that big move when you
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Speaker 2: guys got to it. I mean the big moves came
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Speaker 2: early with Burnett and Martin, but year after year, when
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Speaker 2: you guys started winning, you were waiting for that Schwerber
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Speaker 2: type of free agent signing to take you over the top,
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Speaker 2: and it obviously never arrived. They tried to do it
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Speaker 2: via trade with the Archer trade in eighteen, and we
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Speaker 2: know how that went.
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Speaker 1: But what does that do for a clubhouse?
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Speaker 2: When a team steps out of their comfort zone and
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Speaker 2: brings in an absolute dog in the offseason.
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Speaker 3: One that energizes the clubhouse. Not only that, I think
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Speaker 3: it energizes the fan base. And just the last episode
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Speaker 3: we talked about winning baseball players, and I said, the
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Speaker 3: winning baseball player doesn't have to hit thirty home runs.
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Speaker 3: But in this case, winning baseball player probably hits fifty.
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Speaker 3: But it's more than just the hitting of the home runs.
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Speaker 3: When you look at the Pittsburgh Pirates, what is their
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Speaker 3: identity as an offense? What is their identity as a team.
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Speaker 3: So you get my point exactly, it's hard to answer.
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Speaker 3: You bring a guy in with the likes of Schwarber
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Speaker 3: who can come in and have an identity to help
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Speaker 3: these guys that are on the verge of you know,
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Speaker 3: wanting to make an impact. Hey, you want to make
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Speaker 3: an impact, We've got to have an identity. It's a
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Speaker 3: guy that's been around, that understands the game, that understands
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Speaker 3: what it means to show up every day. But has
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Speaker 3: also played in Philly, has played in Chicago, has played
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Speaker 3: in these places where he's won, has also dealt with
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Speaker 3: you know, media, dealt with fans. But every clubhouse he's
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Speaker 3: been to, he's kind of been whether it was a
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Speaker 3: vocal leader or a silent leader, somebody that can, you know,
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Speaker 3: change the atmosphere of that clubhouse. And when you got
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Speaker 3: a young team that are missing a few pieces of
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Speaker 3: here are those three to four pieces that you allocated
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Speaker 3: his one salary? Are they going to make up for
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Speaker 3: what he really brings or what somebody to his statue
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Speaker 3: would bring. And sometimes that one player can't be quantified
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Speaker 3: over three or four players because the three or four
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Speaker 3: is still trying to make their right.
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Speaker 2: I will say this every time I go to a
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Speaker 2: Winter meetings or an All Star game or some national
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Speaker 2: event where all the writers are together, all the agents
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Speaker 2: are there, front office personnel, we all talk about, you know,
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Speaker 2: what are these guys like, what's this guy like, what's
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Speaker 2: this guy like to deal with?
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Speaker 1: How is he like?
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Speaker 2: And I don't know if I've heard better reviews about
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Speaker 2: a player than Kyle Schwibery. I mean, it is unanimous
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Speaker 2: that he is viewed to be one of the best
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Speaker 2: clubhouse guys in baseball. And Josh, like you pointed out,
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Speaker 2: everywhere this guy has played, they have won, from Chicago
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Speaker 2: to Boston to DC to Philly. I mean, look at
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Speaker 2: what that Philly team. Look at what that Philly lineup
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Speaker 2: turned into. The moment he arrived. He took them to
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Speaker 2: the next level and they've been the beast of the
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Speaker 2: East while he was there.
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Speaker 1: He's an incredible talent.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I think he lengthens a lineup because you
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Speaker 2: can bat him so many different places.
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Speaker 1: He was one of the best leadoff hitters in baseball.
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Speaker 6: This is yeah, oh no, he's gonna play. That's the
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Speaker 6: other thing. You got somebody like that.
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Speaker 3: You want somebody that wants to be in the lineup
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Speaker 3: every day, no matter who on the mountain right he left.
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Speaker 3: He this is a guy that that that right there
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Speaker 3: breeds confidence. But that also is for other guys that's
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Speaker 3: oh okay, yep. You know, people fit feet off of that,
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Speaker 3: especially for some people that don't necessarily have it, you know.
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Speaker 2: And right so, like you need him to bat lead off,
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Speaker 2: he could start off a game one nothing with one swing.
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Speaker 2: If you've got Connor Griffin coming up and you want
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Speaker 2: him to be a leadoff hitter, guess what Shortbert can
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Speaker 2: hit third, He can hit fourth.
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Speaker 1: He can do whatever you need him to do.
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Speaker 2: He's one of those guys where he is talented enough
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Speaker 2: where you can disrupt his.
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Speaker 1: Routine and he will figure it out.
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Speaker 2: And for those reasons, I just don't see the Pirates
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Speaker 2: being able to outspend someone that isn't a example of
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Speaker 2: there are only a couple of teams that can realistically
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Speaker 2: acquire a player like Kyle Schwarber, And in order to
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Speaker 2: get Kyle Schwarb to Pittsburgh, the Pirates are going to
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Speaker 2: have to dramatically outbid the likes of the Phillies, the
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Speaker 2: Blue Jays, maybe the Mets, who knows.
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Speaker 1: And I don't see that all of those teams, I
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Speaker 1: just I don't see.
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Speaker 2: I don't see that happening to a point where they
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Speaker 2: might be willing to offer him market value. But in
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Speaker 2: order to convince Schwarber to come play in Pittsburgh as
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Speaker 2: opposed to returning to Philly right where things have gone
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Speaker 2: really well for him for all intentsive purposes, or to
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Speaker 2: go to another contender, you've got to offer something different.
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Speaker 2: And Josh, you said it earlier in the show. Guys
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Speaker 2: want to go play places for two reasons. Either they're
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Speaker 2: going to get a better chance at winning a championship,
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Speaker 2: or they're going to get the biggest payday. And this
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Speaker 2: place doesn't really offer either of those things right now.
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Speaker 2: But I will say I think they can do that
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Speaker 2: as far as the overpay thing for other guys on
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Speaker 2: the market. Another part of the pass and report that
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Speaker 2: was really interesting to me is that the Pirates are
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Speaker 2: interested in the top two Japanese guys coming over this year.
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Speaker 4: I don't Kami, yes, I will try it.
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Speaker 1: Do you have the other one, Mark?
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Speaker 2: I don't, But Okamoto is his last name, and I
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Speaker 2: know one of these two, I forget what's yeah, I
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Speaker 2: believe it.
19:40
Speaker 4: Yeah, Mirakami is the power. He's twenty five years old.
19:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I believe he signed to the same agency
19:47
Speaker 2: as Connor Griffin Way, so there is a connection there.
19:52
Speaker 1: And if it's not him, it's the other way.
19:54
Speaker 2: I know one of these two guys can Excel player,
19:57
Speaker 2: which isn't anything. I mean, Excel is relations the Pirates
20:02
Speaker 2: agency in the baseball community. But the fact that they
20:06
Speaker 2: have a relationship, there are a lot of Excel athletes
20:08
Speaker 2: in the Pirates organization, Kyle Nicholas, I mean, they have
20:12
Speaker 2: tons of other ones. So the fact that they have
20:16
Speaker 2: that connection is intriguing. And those are the guys where
20:20
Speaker 2: if you are going to spend out of your comfort zone,
20:24
Speaker 2: I think those are the types.
20:25
Speaker 1: Of players where it makes sense.
20:27
Speaker 2: Let let I mean, let the big dogs fight over
20:31
Speaker 2: the big dogs that are established here, because you're not
20:33
Speaker 2: a big dog. But if you want to try to
20:37
Speaker 2: be different this offseason, I think spending more in the
20:41
Speaker 2: international market, where candidly they have not been good enough.
20:45
Speaker 2: They have not had a lot of hits in international
20:48
Speaker 2: signings and international development.
20:51
Speaker 1: I'm excited.
20:51
Speaker 2: This is number year, number two for Max Kwan as
20:54
Speaker 2: their head of international scout scouting, and everyone I talked
20:57
Speaker 2: to in the Pirates front office says they are good
21:00
Speaker 2: things about Max Kwan.
21:01
Speaker 1: I'm still waiting to see why they say these good things.
21:04
Speaker 2: But if they can lan one of these two guys,
21:08
Speaker 2: that is a statement signing because you've seen how these
21:12
Speaker 2: Japanese players have impacted the right and it's not just
21:16
Speaker 2: in Los Angeles.
21:17
Speaker 1: I mean you see it in Chicago, you see it
21:19
Speaker 1: in San Francisco.
21:20
Speaker 2: These guys are coming over here and they are plug
21:22
Speaker 2: and play, ready to go difference makers that you've bat
21:25
Speaker 2: in the middle third of the.
21:26
Speaker 4: Lineup and just touching base on Burakami real quick. The
21:31
Speaker 4: comparison a lot of people are making is Kyle Schwarber
21:34
Speaker 4: a player that he could develop into and you're getting
21:38
Speaker 4: him at twenty five instead of thirty two. It'll probably
21:41
Speaker 4: still take a nine figure deal to get him signed,
21:45
Speaker 4: but you have that the youth to really carry you on.
21:50
Speaker 4: Murkami's intriguing. He Uh, the swing and miss is a big,
21:54
Speaker 4: the big concern, especially on high velocity pitching. I think
21:59
Speaker 4: he's like one and it's like over sixty percent on
22:02
Speaker 4: any pitch over ninety two miles per hour or something
22:04
Speaker 4: with the stat I heard. So the transition for him
22:07
Speaker 4: to the majors could be a little concerning if you're
22:10
Speaker 4: swinging and missing that much at high heat, because right
22:14
Speaker 4: there is your your scouting profile just throwing fastballs. He
22:16
Speaker 4: can't hit it, but he could also develop and you
22:21
Speaker 4: don't necessarily see a guy with like seventy eighty great
22:24
Speaker 4: power become available at twenty five all the time. So
22:28
Speaker 4: it's an intriguing option. It I would be a little
22:34
Speaker 4: apprehensive if that's where a lot of the Pirates' budget's going,
22:38
Speaker 4: just because what if it doesn't pan out like they
22:42
Speaker 4: would hope. Uh, then at least, I mean at least
22:45
Speaker 4: they tried and guess what they're still on there. Yeah, yeah, exactly,
22:48
Speaker 4: we're right back where we do something.
22:49
Speaker 3: We're doing something different, but you're in the same place,
22:52
Speaker 3: and Sanity is doing the same thing over a different result,
22:56
Speaker 3: and to go off.
22:57
Speaker 6: Of I don't even want to butcher his name.
22:59
Speaker 4: You might saying for me Mark, Yeah, Munataki and Marikami.
23:03
Speaker 6: Munataki, Marikami was that right? Okay? So you were talking
23:07
Speaker 6: about the adjustment.
23:09
Speaker 3: A lot of those guys that come from over there,
23:12
Speaker 3: I'll be honest, struggle with velocity from the very beginning.
23:15
Speaker 3: I think show Hay struggle. When he first came over,
23:17
Speaker 3: he had a bigger leg kick. Now you see him
23:19
Speaker 3: to tap. I played with Jung Ho Gong when he
23:22
Speaker 3: came over from South Korea, and in spring training we
23:26
Speaker 3: saw during batan practice, like, man, this dude has pop.
23:29
Speaker 3: He is smashed and stuff. Spring training started, he might
23:34
Speaker 3: have hit one hundred. You know, he's seeing ninety six
23:37
Speaker 3: with cutters. He's seeing ninety eight minnar sinkers where he
23:41
Speaker 3: never saw anything over ninety two. He took away his
23:44
Speaker 3: leg kick and figured out, you know, putting his foot down,
23:48
Speaker 3: and once he made the adjustment, there were some balls
23:53
Speaker 3: that we saw him hit that were like you you've
23:57
Speaker 3: never faced Trevor Rosenthal before he comes in, throws your
24:00
Speaker 3: first pitch slider and you hit a three run home
24:01
Speaker 3: Like we remember his first time against Trevor rosen Thal, Like, Bro,
24:05
Speaker 3: he throws a hundred and you've never seen the.
24:07
Speaker 6: Pitch you swung.
24:07
Speaker 3: Got a first pitch slider, smoked it to the left
24:10
Speaker 3: center and was like, okay, he's adjusted to you know,
24:12
Speaker 3: taking his leg kickout because you know, they have a
24:15
Speaker 3: difference in how they load, so that's gonna be a
24:17
Speaker 3: little different. So when you start talking velocity, a lot
24:21
Speaker 3: of them haven't seen it, but I have seen my
24:23
Speaker 3: fair share of them, you know, guys that come from.
24:25
Speaker 6: Japan, Korea, you know, overseas.
24:28
Speaker 3: Once they make that adjustment, it's been pretty uh, I
24:31
Speaker 3: don't want to say spot on, but that you know,
24:33
Speaker 3: some of them have not had an issue. But spring
24:35
Speaker 3: training is gonna be the big tail for them because
24:37
Speaker 3: I would expect some struggle for anyone to come over,
24:40
Speaker 3: you know, just from the beginning, but once they make
24:43
Speaker 3: that adjustment, go ahead.
24:45
Speaker 6: No, I was done.
24:46
Speaker 2: I'm so glad you pointed that out because that is
24:49
Speaker 2: like I mean, I don't need to tell you that's
24:51
Speaker 2: spot on because you know more about baseball than I do,
24:53
Speaker 2: but like that is like in Japan, it's like pretty
24:57
Speaker 2: well known that they teach hitting a little differently than
25:00
Speaker 2: do here, where the focus more here is getting more
25:05
Speaker 2: power from your lower half. Right. It's like, while they're
25:09
Speaker 2: more precision, they teach more contact and their back to
25:13
Speaker 2: ball skills have just the way they play the game.
25:16
Speaker 2: Especially over there, Bunting is such a more prevalent part
25:19
Speaker 2: of their game, and just back to ball is the priority.
25:22
Speaker 2: And that's where the leg kick comes into play because
25:25
Speaker 2: it just gives them more time to get their hands shifted.
25:28
Speaker 2: And like you mentioned with Otani, they teach them the
25:31
Speaker 2: toe tap and all these other guys. I would much
25:34
Speaker 2: rather teach a guy timing than I would back to
25:37
Speaker 2: ball skills.
25:38
Speaker 1: I think if I.
25:39
Speaker 2: Had to pick one out of a hitter and say, hey,
25:42
Speaker 2: this guy has one of these things down but can't
25:45
Speaker 2: get the other, I would take teaching someone timing one
25:49
Speaker 2: hundred times out of one hundred, because you could teach
25:51
Speaker 2: anyone how to how to time something.
25:54
Speaker 1: It's just rhythm. It's just teaching someone to be on
25:56
Speaker 1: beat and just know.
25:58
Speaker 2: Because if you could play base, if you can hit
25:59
Speaker 2: a ninety mile prower fastball, if you work hard enough,
26:02
Speaker 2: you can hit a ninety five mile power fastball. And
26:04
Speaker 2: if you work, you know it's just it's just timing
26:06
Speaker 2: and getting that right. Where if your mechanics are crap,
26:09
Speaker 2: then good luck, you're in trouble.
26:12
Speaker 1: So because you guys are potentially yeah.
26:16
Speaker 2: I think there is there's a bowload of potential here
26:18
Speaker 2: and we're we're just seeing. I mean, the floodgates are
26:21
Speaker 2: haven't even opened yet, and I just think these are opportunities.
26:25
Speaker 2: And one other quick opportunity I think where on the
26:28
Speaker 2: note of spending big for the pirate standards and if
26:31
Speaker 2: you want to be different and maybe outspend teams in
26:34
Speaker 2: other areas. And this probably won't be a popular take
26:38
Speaker 2: in my opinion, but this is again from the passing story.
26:42
Speaker 2: Heam also mentioned that they might be willing to spend
26:44
Speaker 2: big in the bullpen, and I actually love that because
26:47
Speaker 2: rather that like you have so.
26:49
Speaker 1: Many young arms now where.
26:53
Speaker 2: You're going to cover a lot of innings naturally, like
26:56
Speaker 2: they have at least eight or nine starters on this team,
26:59
Speaker 2: and one or two will probably get hurt, one or
27:02
Speaker 2: two will probably get traded, but that's.
27:04
Speaker 1: Still it gets you. That's five.
27:06
Speaker 2: Then you're good, and you have other guys who can
27:09
Speaker 2: stretch out a guy like Majinski. You can cover multiple innings,
27:13
Speaker 2: and Nicholas has been able to cover a couple of
27:15
Speaker 2: innings here and there, and there are other guys they're
27:19
Speaker 2: still missing that high leverage difference maker. Uh, like the
27:26
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be mad if they did an errol Is
27:29
Speaker 2: Chapman two point zero signing. It's not gonna be Chapman obviously,
27:31
Speaker 2: because he got extended by Boston at the end of
27:33
Speaker 2: this past season, but if.
27:35
Speaker 1: You bring in and I don't.
27:37
Speaker 2: I haven't really even looked at the reliever market candidly
27:40
Speaker 2: because it's not been my biggest concern for this team.
27:43
Speaker 2: But reading that article, I thought that is that is
27:47
Speaker 2: something that will make a lot of sense because if
27:50
Speaker 2: you can really just shure up the back end of
27:53
Speaker 2: a game, even with Santana and Mattson, who were both
27:57
Speaker 2: really good last year, you get a pre lefty to
28:00
Speaker 2: pair with them, and you're really cooking with gas.
28:03
Speaker 1: Stop.
28:04
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Braves just signed Rice el Iglesias sixteen million
28:08
Speaker 4: dollars deal tonight, so hm expensive for the back end closers,
28:14
Speaker 4: but I mean they prove they're worth.
28:20
Speaker 6: Inflation.
28:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, price going up, milk goes up.
28:28
Speaker 6: But that might not be bad though either.
28:30
Speaker 3: As you say mentioned and you know, plethorough starting pitchers,
28:33
Speaker 3: as you say, somebody might get traded, somebody might be
28:35
Speaker 3: pushed to the pen to be that you know, multi
28:37
Speaker 3: ending game, you know, multi ending use. You know the
28:40
Speaker 3: bridge that gap, and you know you're only as good
28:43
Speaker 3: as you know the depth that you have, and you
28:46
Speaker 3: know you see it all the time in the playoffs.
28:49
Speaker 3: Once it gets to about the fifth sixth Inny. You know, starters,
28:52
Speaker 3: if it's not that third time, unless it's somebody really cruising,
28:55
Speaker 3: they're they're digging into the bullpen, they're playing matchups.
28:57
Speaker 6: They you know, and the more options that you have,
29:00
Speaker 6: you know, I.
29:01
Speaker 3: Feel like a lot of managers like to be able
29:02
Speaker 3: to do that, especially with you know, once the rules
29:05
Speaker 3: get changed, you have to pitch the three batters.
29:07
Speaker 6: You know that that changed a lot.
29:09
Speaker 3: So you know, mentioning suing up that back end of
29:12
Speaker 3: the bullpen, I'll be honest those yet and I don't
29:15
Speaker 3: want to compare to the years that we had because
29:17
Speaker 3: every year is different, but bullpen pitching. Granted, offense was good,
29:22
Speaker 3: but pitching was one of our strong points. We got
29:24
Speaker 3: to the back end of the bullpen. Tony Watson, Jason
29:28
Speaker 3: Gridley Mark mall didn't matter, you know what I mean.
29:30
Speaker 3: It's like, oh, we got to the seventh inning, good
29:32
Speaker 3: luck to y'all.
29:33
Speaker 1: Yeah it was.
29:34
Speaker 2: It was a five inning game for you. If you
29:36
Speaker 2: got to the sixth, that was it was pretty much over.
29:39
Speaker 2: And and and I think they're they're they're not far
29:41
Speaker 2: away from that now. Like, but I think, like, you
29:45
Speaker 2: get that one, Yeah, that one dude who has really
29:49
Speaker 2: been there, that's gonna make everything better. Final topic of today, Uh,
29:55
Speaker 2: that was covered in Passing's report.
29:58
Speaker 1: Uh.
29:59
Speaker 2: Connor Griffin, big guy if you or a big deal
30:03
Speaker 2: if you haven't heard of him, top prospect in baseball,
30:06
Speaker 2: said the Pirates are strongly considering giving him an opportunity
30:12
Speaker 2: to win the shortstop job out of camp. I want
30:15
Speaker 2: to start here by saying I would hope they're considering it.
30:20
Speaker 2: Like if it's like a non thought that the number
30:24
Speaker 2: one prospect in baseball doesn't have a chance to break
30:27
Speaker 2: camp with the team, I would say that's a problem. However,
30:32
Speaker 2: is this the best idea? Josh, you know how hard
30:34
Speaker 2: it is to play at this level. This guy has
30:36
Speaker 2: played like six weeks in double as He's going to
30:41
Speaker 2: be nineteen years old. At the start of the Major
30:44
Speaker 2: League Baseball season next year. Even if he hits four
30:48
Speaker 2: hundred in spring training, isn't their value in maybe just
30:52
Speaker 2: letting him play a little bit in Triple A, just
30:55
Speaker 2: to check that box and make sure, because this isn't
30:58
Speaker 2: something that you can bank on to save twenty twenty six.
31:03
Speaker 1: This guy is a lot more important than just one season. Right.
31:06
Speaker 3: No, for sure, that's a slippery slope because, as you said,
31:10
Speaker 3: he's only gonna be nineteen. So with that being said,
31:14
Speaker 3: you don't want to put too much pressure on somebody, especially,
31:17
Speaker 3: you know, feeling like he's got to come up and
31:19
Speaker 3: be the biggest, big difference maker to you know, turn
31:22
Speaker 3: Pittsburgh around from the past couple of years. But I'm
31:25
Speaker 3: also a firm believer that if somebody is ready, they're ready.
31:29
Speaker 3: But you know, spring training, as you say, it doesn't
31:32
Speaker 3: really give too much of a tail. Granted, I've seen
31:36
Speaker 3: dudes hit six hundred spring training come season starts, you know,
31:40
Speaker 3: can't even hit their weight. And it's not to be funny,
31:42
Speaker 3: it's just the nature of the sport. It's a tough game.
31:45
Speaker 3: You can't get a real read off of spring training.
31:47
Speaker 3: You can see glimpses of what potential can be. But
31:51
Speaker 3: you know, for the most part, spring training is just
31:53
Speaker 3: what it is, is getting ready for the season. And
31:55
Speaker 3: I wouldn't put too much value in it. But given
31:58
Speaker 3: what he's done for the past year throughout the minor leagues,
32:01
Speaker 3: I don't think it's anything that you can't you know,
32:04
Speaker 3: as you said, not entertained. You would hope that they're
32:07
Speaker 3: giving him an opportunity to number one prospect in baseball,
32:10
Speaker 3: given the season that he had this past year. See
32:13
Speaker 3: what he's looking like in spring training, you know, get
32:15
Speaker 3: him around the guys, see how he handles that. But
32:19
Speaker 3: you know, I think if he does tear it up
32:21
Speaker 3: in spring, why not give him a chance, especially if
32:24
Speaker 3: they don't bring anybody in, because what's the point of
32:26
Speaker 3: bringing somebody in if they're not gonna play. But it's
32:30
Speaker 3: a slippery slope. But triple A would be a nice
32:33
Speaker 3: little step in stone for him. But at the same time,
32:36
Speaker 3: you know, guys used to make the jump from doubles
32:39
Speaker 3: to the big leagues. You know, double edge to the
32:41
Speaker 3: big leagues all the time. You know, sometimes you know,
32:44
Speaker 3: the real difference isn't necessarily the ability to play, is
32:47
Speaker 3: just the consistency, and if he's consistent at every level,
32:50
Speaker 3: hey have at it. If if he seems mature enough,
32:53
Speaker 3: I'm not opposed. I'm a big believer in you seeing
32:57
Speaker 3: other guys coming up at a young age and being
32:59
Speaker 3: able to make an impact. If he's that type of player,
33:02
Speaker 3: if it's not too much pressure on him, give him
33:04
Speaker 3: a shot.
33:05
Speaker 1: Mark, what kind of juice would this give the fan base?
33:08
Speaker 4: Oh, if Bob or sorry I almost say if Bobby
33:12
Speaker 4: Wood Junior a little Freudian slip. Sorry, if Connor Griffin
33:15
Speaker 4: aka Bobby Wood Junior two point zero, If he's on
33:18
Speaker 4: the opening day roster, I this fan base has to
33:21
Speaker 4: be going crazy because you get to go not only
33:25
Speaker 4: to opening day it's not in Pittsburgh, but you get
33:28
Speaker 4: to go the home opener and see the future face
33:31
Speaker 4: of the franchise debut at PNC Park. It gives me
33:35
Speaker 4: goosebumps thinking about it like this gets special. Obviously, you
33:39
Speaker 4: don't want to rush and prohibit his development, you know,
33:42
Speaker 4: overwhelm him, you know, make sure he's prepared for this.
33:46
Speaker 4: But there's the Pirates have so many incentives, literal prospect
33:50
Speaker 4: promotion incentives to call him up and have him beyond
33:55
Speaker 4: this opening day roster, it would just it would be
33:59
Speaker 4: a lightning and regardless of how free agency goes, but
34:04
Speaker 4: even if if you have Connor Griffin and a big,
34:08
Speaker 4: big name free agent both on this opening day roster,
34:12
Speaker 4: you gotta be optimistic and excited because it would be
34:15
Speaker 4: something completely different than what we've seen in the past
34:17
Speaker 4: few years.
34:20
Speaker 2: There have been three teenagers to debut as a shortstop
34:26
Speaker 2: since nineteen ninety four. Their names are Alex Rodriguez, Edgar
34:31
Speaker 2: Renteria and Jose Reyes. That's pretty special company.
34:36
Speaker 6: That is.
34:41
Speaker 1: My stance has long been could he do it?
34:47
Speaker 6: Yes?
34:47
Speaker 1: Like Connor Griffin.
34:50
Speaker 2: Is going to be the best shortstop in their organization
34:54
Speaker 2: when they report to spring. I still view Connor Griffin
34:58
Speaker 2: as something where you don't rush his progression just to
35:04
Speaker 2: save your twenty twenty sixth season. He's gonna be here
35:07
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty six And if Paul Skiings, if they
35:12
Speaker 2: could wait, you know, a month for Paul Skiings to
35:15
Speaker 2: get here, what do you did abut on May tenth,
35:17
Speaker 2: yep of twenty twenty four, you can do the same
35:20
Speaker 2: for Connor because Paul made that team better, and yeah,
35:24
Speaker 2: he probably could have made the team out of camp,
35:26
Speaker 2: but you progressed him appropriately. And Connor's situation is different.
35:31
Speaker 2: He's played a full year of minor league baseball. He's
35:34
Speaker 2: still not old enough to drink a beer, so like,
35:39
Speaker 2: and he won't be for a while, so like.
35:41
Speaker 4: Get his exit on his hand, and you only play yeah, yeah, yeah,
35:45
Speaker 4: he only played twenty one games in Double A two,
35:47
Speaker 4: I mean, granted.
35:50
Speaker 6: Very small sample size.
35:51
Speaker 2: Sure my thought would be and I would probably sit
35:57
Speaker 2: him down and tell him this, you know, I'd say,
35:59
Speaker 2: if you want to be our opening day shortstop in
36:02
Speaker 2: the major leagues, you need to make it abundantly clear
36:06
Speaker 2: that you are the best player on this team in
36:08
Speaker 2: spring training. That is a loft or that is a
36:12
Speaker 2: high bar to set. I'm not convinced that he can't
36:16
Speaker 2: do it, though, Like he is that good and if
36:19
Speaker 2: he does it, then you have to reward him. But
36:23
Speaker 2: if he doesn't, it's okay. It's okay because I think
36:28
Speaker 2: they have enough placeholders between Nick and Zalez and Jared
36:33
Speaker 2: Triolo and whoever else that you can get one month
36:37
Speaker 2: of replacement level shortstop before you bring him in.
36:41
Speaker 3: So well, the thing I wanted to go off on
36:43
Speaker 3: that not to cut you off. Sorry about that, Noah,
36:46
Speaker 3: you're good. Was the biggest thing for me. Wouldn't even
36:50
Speaker 3: be offense. When you get to the big leagues. He's
36:52
Speaker 3: playing shortstop. That's the middle of the diamond. How many
36:54
Speaker 3: shortstops do they make a big deal about, Oh, this
36:57
Speaker 3: is a rookie guy or young guy and they're talking
36:59
Speaker 3: about him offensively, but they're like, oh, he leads the
37:01
Speaker 3: leaguing errors or he does like me, defensive side of
37:05
Speaker 3: the ball is the biggest thing. So my thing to
37:07
Speaker 3: him is, we know what you can do offensively. Offense
37:09
Speaker 3: is always going to do this one thing that you
37:12
Speaker 3: cannot have do that is defense, especially a shortstop, that
37:15
Speaker 3: is one of the most positioned, most important positions because
37:19
Speaker 3: you're right in the middle. You got to catch, you
37:20
Speaker 3: got shortstop, second base, center field, some of the most
37:23
Speaker 3: important positions. And if he's going to be a nineteen
37:25
Speaker 3: year old manning shortstop, I'm not worried about you hitting
37:29
Speaker 3: three hundred with fifteen by all means, that's good. But
37:33
Speaker 3: are you making the routine plays? Are you not giving
37:35
Speaker 3: away any extra outs? That is the maturity that you
37:38
Speaker 3: don't You don't want to rush because you know some
37:42
Speaker 3: people make an error and it's the end of the world,
37:44
Speaker 3: and it's like, how do you recover? Like, have you
37:46
Speaker 3: seen have you seen you know him go through any adversity.
37:50
Speaker 3: He's nineteen, he's young. This game will eat you alive.
37:53
Speaker 3: Not wishing that on anybody, but you want to see
37:55
Speaker 3: how he responds to oh, man, he made an air.
37:58
Speaker 3: Oh but did he make the air because he wasn't
38:00
Speaker 3: focused or was he rushing? Like the speed of the
38:02
Speaker 3: game is faster, So these would be things that I
38:04
Speaker 3: would be more concerned about. Offensively, I'm not really worried about.
38:08
Speaker 3: It's the defensive side of the ball. That's That was
38:10
Speaker 3: just my little note I wanted to add.
38:11
Speaker 2: Oh, no, Josh, I will say if that's if that's
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Speaker 2: how the Pirates are thinking, then Connor Griffin is.
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Speaker 4: Going to be the open yeah for the shortstop.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the defense is there, and I get that playing
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Speaker 2: playing in front of five thousand fans is a lot
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Speaker 2: different than playing in the major leagues, and the ball
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Speaker 2: is hit harder and the run the players run fast
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Speaker 2: like they're they're That is all valid, but yeah, I
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Speaker 2: think the gloves ready. It's just making sure that bat.
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Speaker 2: They want a guy who they would to call him
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Speaker 2: up and bat him lead off her second for the
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Speaker 2: entire season, and they just got.
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Speaker 1: To make it's exciting to think about. I mean this,
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Speaker 1: this show, if.
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Speaker 2: It goes the right way, I mean, man, you get Markmi,
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Speaker 2: Schwarber and Griffin in that lineup, and I think is
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Speaker 2: going to be I think going to go up to
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Speaker 2: the roof.
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