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Unthawing Frozen: Part 1 · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha about them to stuff.
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Speaker 1: I've never told you a production of iHeartRadio and today
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Speaker 1: we are doing kind of a feminist movie Wednesday Friday,
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Speaker 1: but not really because originally, Okay, so we're talking about
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Speaker 1: Frozen and it sprawled out and it is a two
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Speaker 1: parter now, and what I wanted to look at it's
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Speaker 1: the ten year anniversary of Frozen. So many people are
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Speaker 1: writing so many things about it, it's almost impressive that
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Speaker 1: I just wanted to look back at it. And I
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Speaker 1: wanted to look at the fairy tale it's based off of.
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Speaker 1: And we kind of talked about doing that as our
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Speaker 1: book club for this month, but it's really short, and
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Speaker 1: so I wanted to do a comparison. And then, as
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Speaker 1: a lot of our episodes tend to do, it just
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Speaker 1: grew and grew and grew. There were more articles than
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Speaker 1: I could ever read. I know Samantha knows this about me.
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Speaker 1: I try not to use my phone after ten pm,
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Speaker 1: but last night I was texting you at like midnight,
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Speaker 1: like WHOA Frozen?
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Speaker 2: I actually refrained from texting you, yeah, because it's like
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Speaker 2: she's got this rule, and then you tuxt it in
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Speaker 2: me and I'll go, oh wait.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because of Frozen, and I just went on this
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Speaker 1: whole rabbit hole and I was looking into there were
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Speaker 1: so many articlesthas this Honestly, like somebody could just and
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Speaker 1: I bet someone already has just do a show about
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Speaker 1: all of the things written about Frozen. This is not
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Speaker 1: that show, but we're going to go over some of
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Speaker 1: the main points of a lot of those things in this.
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Speaker 1: I think the first part is going to be a
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Speaker 1: breakdown of the moon and then the fairy tale, and
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Speaker 1: then the differences between and then the next part will
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Speaker 1: be a look at the legacy of it. So look
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Speaker 1: forward to that. And I am very excited about something
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Speaker 1: Samantha is going to contribute because this is going to
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Speaker 1: be a lot of me talking about Frozen.
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Speaker 2: But yes, because we look behind the curtains. I had
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Speaker 2: a Mandila effect moment with this movie because when I
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Speaker 2: saw the outline, I was like, Oh, okay, comparently we're
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Speaker 2: doing this, And I was like, I think I've seen it.
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Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure i've seen it.
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Speaker 1: Well, I don't know.
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Speaker 2: Let me go back and look. Maybe I didn't see it,
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Speaker 2: and maybe I haven't seen it. And then going back
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Speaker 2: and forth and I was like, I was like, I'll
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Speaker 2: watch it. I'll watch it, because at first you're like
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Speaker 2: you don't need to. I was like, no, I feel
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Speaker 2: like I should watch it. Okay, I make you watch
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Speaker 2: things just prepares let's go. So last night my partner
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Speaker 2: and I actually sat down and he was like, so,
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Speaker 2: how far behind are we? I was like, yeah, this
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Speaker 2: is a ten year anniversary for this movie. That's how
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Speaker 2: far we are. And as it opened up the credits
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Speaker 2: first and foremost, can we talk about I guess we will. First,
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Speaker 2: I thought I was accidentally clicked on Mowana because the
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Speaker 2: opening credit music was like very native indigenous music, and
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Speaker 2: I was like, I don't understand why they put this
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Speaker 2: as their revelation song and maybe there's a reason behind
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Speaker 2: it and I don't know, but I was just like,
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Speaker 2: this doesn't fit. I'm expecting more of like a Midsomar
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Speaker 2: type of a chance with the very very very very
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Speaker 2: very very white people here. So I was kind of
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Speaker 2: confused on that very note because I was like, did
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Speaker 2: I put on Mawana, Like what's happening? Because I've never
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Speaker 2: seen Mauana either. I'm not seeing either one. So as
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Speaker 2: it started for the first half the movie, I was like, yeah,
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Speaker 2: I've never seen this movie.
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Speaker 1: I had no idea.
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Speaker 2: I knew who it was here, I knew who the
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Speaker 2: characters were. I can tell you how it ends. And
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Speaker 2: then I think the last ten fifteen minutes, I was like, oh,
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Speaker 2: this is a part I've seen, which made me think
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Speaker 2: that I was like, somewhere along the lines, I've seen
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Speaker 2: so many clips of this movie or talked so much
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Speaker 2: about this movie with people, or people have told me
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Speaker 2: about it. Maybe I don't have children around at this point,
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Speaker 2: I was not nannying, so that's why I wouldn't have
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Speaker 2: watched this movie. And I was like, oh, yeah, I
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Speaker 2: really convinced myself that I had seen this movie. I'm
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Speaker 2: kind of glad. I'm glad that I did watch it
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Speaker 2: because I've been so confused and have so many questions.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I I told you, like, I probably have
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Speaker 1: seen this movie like seven to ten times. I'll give it,
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Speaker 1: but I feel like I've seen it a million times
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Speaker 1: because it was just so huge in our culture, in
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Speaker 1: the zeitgeist, Like it was so popular. And I actually
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Speaker 1: have some really fun quotes about this from other countries
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Speaker 1: about how popular it was. But it just like it
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Speaker 1: feels so big. It does and it is. It had
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Speaker 1: a huge impact. But it is funny to me because
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Speaker 1: even me, I feel like I've seen it so much
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Speaker 1: and I really haven't. It was just there. It was
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Speaker 1: everywhere it does it does, and I so I saw it.
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Speaker 1: The interest thing about Frozen, and I'm going to have
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Speaker 1: a lot of very what i'll call fun facts throughout
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Speaker 1: this is that it went through a lot of rewrites.
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Speaker 1: The first screening it had, it was like everyone was like,
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Speaker 1: oh God, this is going to fail and it was
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Speaker 1: completely different, and we're going to talk about We're going
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Speaker 1: to talk about that than what it is now. But
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Speaker 1: it when it premiered, it was not even like the
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Speaker 1: top movie when it came out that weekend. But because
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Speaker 1: when people saw it, there was this word of mouth like, oh,
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Speaker 1: you should go see it, you should go see it.
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Speaker 1: That I didn't see Frozen until I think it had
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Speaker 1: been out, I mean months and it was still in theaters.
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Speaker 1: I was a yes because I went and saw it
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Speaker 1: at the Beach and it came out in December, but
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Speaker 1: I think I was at the beach in February, so
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Speaker 1: it was out months and it was packed passed these
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Speaker 1: months later, and it was kids, kids dressed as Elsa everywhere,
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Speaker 1: and they were singing the songs and my dad was
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Speaker 1: getting so annoyed, and I remember turning to him and
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Speaker 1: being like, this is a kid's movie, Dad, We're just
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Speaker 1: gonna have to let them have a lot of fun.
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Speaker 1: And I'm sorry, but they're laving the time of their lives.
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Speaker 2: Did you just want to go to see it? And
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Speaker 2: your family came more?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I wanted to see after I heard all these
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Speaker 1: things about it, and yeah, we were at the beach,
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Speaker 1: and I guess I convinced them to come. I don't
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Speaker 1: remember it being like a difficult conversation.
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Speaker 2: I think I just like, right, I guess it would
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Speaker 2: have been a difficult conversation to convince my adult parents
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Speaker 2: and adult siblings to go see Frozen. Like there'd be
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Speaker 2: no way that I could have done that. So that's
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Speaker 2: why I'm like, huh, that's a whole feat to me.
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Speaker 1: That would not have been difficult. My parents love movies.
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Speaker 1: If I'm like, hey, we have to go see this,
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Speaker 1: generally they'll be like okay. So that was how I
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Speaker 1: saw it the first time, and I did really enjoy it.
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Speaker 1: I've been on the ride in Disney World. It is
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Speaker 1: one of those rides that is like always a ninety
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Speaker 1: minute plus weight, but I went during a rain storm
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Speaker 1: once and the weight was very short and it was cool.
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Speaker 1: I like how it has this moment where you're because
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Speaker 1: basically you're in a boat. And actually I've been on
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Speaker 1: this ride. It's an Epcot before it was frozen, and
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Speaker 1: it was like a ride about Vikings. Yeah, it was
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Speaker 1: like a boat ride, kind of like Pirates Caribbean, but
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Speaker 1: it was about Vikings. But now it's frozen and there's
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Speaker 1: a scene where you're like in the boat and Elsa's like,
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Speaker 1: let it go, and she does that whole thing and
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Speaker 1: the boat shoots backwards. It was really cool. I loved it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, obviously I've never been on this ride because I
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Speaker 2: have no idea what you're talking about. Yeah, as well
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Speaker 2: as the fact that can I say it the beginning
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Speaker 2: of that song, I didn't know that the beginning intro
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Speaker 2: belong to let It Go. I was like, because I
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Speaker 2: kind of complained about it. I was like, Oh, I
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Speaker 2: don't like this, Oh let's let it go.
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Speaker 1: Oh yes, we're gonna talk about letting go. But yeah, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: there's also a musical a Broadway musical. It's touring right now.
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Speaker 1: They're just performed at the White House, So it spawned
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Speaker 1: all kinds of things like that. It's in Kingdom Hearts,
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Speaker 1: which is this video game series. I really like. That
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Speaker 1: is very complicated, and I've learned it's only become more
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Speaker 1: complicated because of what happened in Wish, which I haven't seen,
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Speaker 1: but I got spoiled on because everyone was like, what
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Speaker 1: does what does this mean for Kingdom Hearts and was
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Speaker 1: done by the same creative team.
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Speaker 2: Wish isn't out yet, is it? Yes? Oh it is.
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Speaker 2: I thought it was just coming out soon.
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Speaker 1: No, it's out well mm hmmm. This is probably part
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Speaker 1: of the reason why I didn't do well in the
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Speaker 1: box office, which we'll also talk about later.
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Speaker 2: I like, I'm part of the problem.
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Speaker 1: Yes, Samantha, it's all you my bad. Uh. There is
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Speaker 1: a Tangled cameo and Frozen, which is perhaps related to
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Speaker 1: what happens in Wish. That's what I'll say.
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Speaker 2: Oh in the first one.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very short. It's very short, but I.
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Speaker 2: Think I've seen this before on TikTok where they're like
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Speaker 2: spoiler like who that is how Disney loves incorporating.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was basically like at the end you see
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Speaker 1: them Rapunzel and Flynn walking into the castle, but it's
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Speaker 1: like very minor, it's very brief, but wish really went
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Speaker 1: all in. That's what I'll say. Also, yes, this movie
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Speaker 1: was everywhere. I remember very vividly when it came out.
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Speaker 1: I was at the beach with my friends and this
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Speaker 1: older man who I know is a friend of the
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Speaker 1: family came up to us and was like, look, I
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Speaker 1: really need to get away from Frozen for a minute.
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Speaker 1: Can I just sit here and talk with you? Because
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Speaker 1: his grandchildren were just saying like they were belting out
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Speaker 1: the songs. We could hear them. They were just over
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Speaker 1: and over and over. He was like he was done.
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Speaker 2: I think that's the biggest point. I remember, like, I'm thinking,
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Speaker 2: I've never seen this movie this one song. Why can
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Speaker 2: people will not let this go? And also Manzel has
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Speaker 2: an incredible range and vocal abilities. No one can match that.
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Speaker 2: Stop it. Don't get me wrong, because you do you do,
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Speaker 2: you sing your heart out. But after a while it
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Speaker 2: becomes a trial.
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Speaker 1: After a while it becomes a trial. Yeah, even Menzelle,
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Speaker 1: she talked about that because she said, originally it was
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Speaker 1: a much lower pitch that whole song, but it she
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Speaker 1: was like, if we're gonna turn this into power about it,
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Speaker 1: it needs to go high. And she she's kind of
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Speaker 1: jokingly said she regrets it because now every time she
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Speaker 1: sings it, she's like, why did I do this to myself?
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Speaker 2: It's intense, Like I cannot imagine the level because but
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Speaker 2: I mean, she is a professional, like Wicked was her
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Speaker 2: like big. She was always big. She was big with Rent.
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Speaker 2: She was always big. Don't get me wrong. I got
11:23
Speaker 2: to know her from Wicked, and her vocal range is insane.
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Speaker 2: It's also one of those vocal ranges that you don't
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Speaker 2: think is that intense because she does it so flawlessly
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Speaker 2: and then you pretend like you could try to get
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Speaker 2: it and you're like, oh no, I don't get that.
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Speaker 2: Fels that way about country singer Martina McBride a whole
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Speaker 2: different conversation, but she also has one of those like
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Speaker 2: vocal ranges. It doesn't make sense because it doesn't sound
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Speaker 2: like that until you try to hit it, like you're like, oh,
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Speaker 2: there it went. But again with that said, yeah, let
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Speaker 2: it Go is a difficult, damn song and that everyone
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Speaker 2: has tried. Is quite funny.
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Speaker 1: Well didn't they sing it in ted Lasso, didn't she
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Speaker 1: sing it?
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Speaker 2: She also surprising vibrato and in a vocal range as well,
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Speaker 2: Like she's surprising that you when you see her singing.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and she.
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Speaker 2: Does it so much now because she I think she
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Speaker 2: is a trained professional as well that you're like, oh,
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Speaker 2: of course, of course I should have known she could
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Speaker 2: hit that, but I don't. I don't know. I'm not seen.
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Speaker 1: I feel like she seen it. In the episode the
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Speaker 1: first season where they to karaoke and then ted Lasso
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Speaker 1: had the panic attack, she was singing let it Go.
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Speaker 2: You're right she does because it's for her niece or
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Speaker 2: her goddaughter rather right, And I can't remember. I'm sure
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Speaker 2: she hit it flawlessleep as well.
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Speaker 1: She did, Oh yes, I will say. I had a
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Speaker 1: couple of friends with me once and we were doing
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Speaker 1: Disney karaoke on the way to Disney, you know, as
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Speaker 1: you do, and let It Go came on and neither
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Speaker 1: of them had seen Frozen there. I was like, oh no,
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Speaker 1: and they were like what. I was like, well, yes,
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Speaker 1: that's a disaster room. Of course it was.
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Speaker 2: And what makes me laugh about this is because the
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Speaker 2: karaoke songs that I've seen heard you do are typically
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Speaker 2: so low that it's baritone and like, what are you doing?
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Speaker 1: Oh no, of course I can't do it. Well, I
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Speaker 1: don't know, here we go.
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Speaker 2: But oh yeah that I feel like that in itself.
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Speaker 2: I'm sure there's statistics of the most popular songs that
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Speaker 2: this one is one of, the outside of like I
13:32
Speaker 2: just can't wait to be kean like a lot of
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Speaker 2: the Lyon King songs, that's probably one of the highest
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Speaker 2: grossing slash most popular song.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh no, oh no, absolutely, and we're going to
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Speaker 1: talk about it because the song was a big, a
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Speaker 1: big point of this movie and conversation and it was everywhere,
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Speaker 1: and later the creators producers said, like this was lightning
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Speaker 1: in a bottle. We're not going to do this again,
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Speaker 1: like sometimes you just can't predict when something hits, and
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Speaker 1: that it really hit for a lot of reasons.
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Speaker 2: Then they tried two more times.
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Speaker 1: Well, interestingly because they had there in the second one,
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Speaker 1: they had their song that was like they let it
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Speaker 1: Go song, but they're like, it's never going to be
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Speaker 1: let it go. Like that was just such a.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know any songs from any of the
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Speaker 2: other two. And I actually someone Yeah, my partner after
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Speaker 2: we finished the movie was like, what's in the second one.
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Speaker 2: I was like, I have no idea. I don't know what.
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Speaker 2: I don't have a clue what the second one is about. Oh,
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Speaker 2: I'm assuming babies or the second partner or something.
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Speaker 1: Oh no, oh no, oh my god, this is so fun. No, yes,
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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about it. Spoilers for the sequel. Actually
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Speaker 1: there's not any of that, really, Yes, oh my god. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: we are going to talk about the second one, and
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Speaker 1: I'm going to say spoilers even though like intense spoilers,
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Speaker 1: even though we're not going to talk a lot about it.
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Speaker 1: It's just like the the plot points are important to
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Speaker 1: other things we're talking about in this one. Okay. Also,
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Speaker 1: Samantha has a thing she's I'm going to ask her
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Speaker 1: about about once and this after I get through the plot.
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Speaker 1: But we're going to go through the plot real quick.
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Speaker 1: I tried to make it quick, but you know, I
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Speaker 1: don't always succeed in these things. Frozen is a twenty
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Speaker 1: thirteen animated Disney film based on the fairy tell The
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Speaker 1: Snow Queen by Hans Christian Anderson and yeah, I feel
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Speaker 1: like like we talked about. You probably all know the plot,
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Speaker 1: but very briefly. Anna and Elsa are the princesses of Arundel,
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Speaker 1: which is in made believe Norway. As children, Elsa displays
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Speaker 1: these magical powers that let her control snow and ice,
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Speaker 1: but she doesn't quite have them under control, and while
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Speaker 1: playing with Anna, Elsa accidentally strikes her down with her
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Speaker 1: pas and their parents call in the local troll authority YEP,
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Speaker 1: who informs them that only an act of love can
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Speaker 1: thaw a frozen heart, and that the only way to
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Speaker 1: keep the cold from Anna's heart is to slow it down.
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Speaker 1: Elsa is instructed to wear gloves and conceal her powers, conceals,
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Speaker 1: don't feel and Anna forgot about this whole thing. Elsa
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Speaker 1: becomes more and more with shrawn. She pretty much locks
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Speaker 1: herself up in her room, especially after their parents die
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Speaker 1: in a ship accident, which is some people think from
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Speaker 1: the Little Mermaid but whatever, yes, and she is the
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Speaker 1: heir of Aarundel. Elsa's powers become harder and harder to control,
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Speaker 1: and she locks herself in her room, ignoring Anna's calls
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Speaker 1: to play or at least open the doors to their
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Speaker 1: kingdom or open her own door. But Coronation Day arrives
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Speaker 1: as much as Elsa dreads it. Anna, however, is very
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Speaker 1: very very excited. She's on top of the world with happiness.
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Speaker 1: She's eager to get out and break their isolation and
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Speaker 1: maybe meet people, maybe fine true love. Almost immediately out
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Speaker 1: the doors, she has a clumsy meat cute with Hans,
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Speaker 1: one of the many royal members of Weaselton. They share
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Speaker 1: a nice song together and decide to get married. Anna
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Speaker 1: introduces Hans to Elsa and informs her of her plans
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Speaker 1: to wed him, but Elsa's like, no, you cannot marry
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Speaker 1: some when you just met. All this is going on
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Speaker 1: while the King of Westleton is trying to get access
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Speaker 1: to Arundell's resources. One way or another, things escalate. Elsa's
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Speaker 1: glove comes off, her powers spiral out of control. It
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Speaker 1: freezes over the harbor and manifest like a blizzard on
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Speaker 1: the whole land. The people are shocked and horrified, so
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Speaker 1: Elsa flees to the mountains and builds a castle of ice.
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Speaker 1: She takes off her gloves. She uses her powers let's
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Speaker 1: down her hair, but not out of the breied, which
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Speaker 1: is kind of a important a while, belting out a
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Speaker 1: song about letting go of everything that she's been holding
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Speaker 1: on to true power ballad. Meanwhile, Anna's determined to fix
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Speaker 1: everything and she leaves Hans in charge. She goes to
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Speaker 1: get her sister. However, it is a blizzard in the
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Speaker 1: middle of summer, so she needs tools, proper clothing, and
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Speaker 1: a guide, and she finds this in Christoph and his
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Speaker 1: reindeer spend. They encounter a few dangers as they make
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Speaker 1: the journey, all while Christoph is shocked that she got
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Speaker 1: engaged so quickly. They run into Olaf, who is a
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Speaker 1: snowman that can move talk seeing you, you know your
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Speaker 1: animal sidekick that every Disney movie has based on a
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Speaker 1: character from Elsa and Anna's youth, who accompanies them. Once
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Speaker 1: they arrive at Elsa's ice castle, Anna attempts to sway
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Speaker 1: her to come home, but Elsa remembers hurting Anna from
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Speaker 1: before and accidentally hurts her again, giving Hans and all
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Speaker 1: the people who want to punish Elsa more opportunity to
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Speaker 1: do so, and they come to her castle. They take
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Speaker 1: these excuse to attack her. She could beat them. She
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Speaker 1: has a moment she has like a dark side moment.
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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about that, but she doesn't want to
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Speaker 1: hurt them in the end and is captured. Meanwhile, Anna's
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Speaker 1: condition has worsened. Her hair's turning white, she's cold, and
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Speaker 1: Christoph takes her to the love trolls that raised him,
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Speaker 1: the same that consulted when Anna was struck with Elsa's
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Speaker 1: ice as a child, and they tell her that only
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Speaker 1: true love can thaw the ice heading towards her heart,
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Speaker 1: and they sing a song about how Christoph is a
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Speaker 1: bit of a fixer upper and she's a bit of
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Speaker 1: a fixture upper, and everybody's a bit of a fixer upper,
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Speaker 1: but they should be together anyways, even though it keeps protesting.
19:51
Speaker 1: Anna is engaged but basically like she's gonna die, so
19:54
Speaker 1: they write off in search of Hands to get true
19:57
Speaker 1: love's first kiss and stap the ice save Anna. Hans
20:02
Speaker 1: reveals his plot to a freezing Anna, who's like, please
20:06
Speaker 1: kiss me, save my life, and he's like, oh, you're
20:07
Speaker 1: so stupid. I'm actually gonna let you die, blame Elsa
20:14
Speaker 1: and then take the throne, because yes he does. Elsa
20:17
Speaker 1: is now chained, her hands are restrained in the dungeon,
20:22
Speaker 1: and yes he is gonna take Aaron Dell for himself,
20:25
Speaker 1: and it's all been aployed. All Off arrives and he
20:29
Speaker 1: melts because the fire and he just doesn't seem to
20:33
Speaker 1: understand heat. But as he is melting, he's like some
20:39
Speaker 1: people who are melting forward. And later he's reconstituted. It's fine,
20:42
Speaker 1: and Elsa escapes, though the storm rages on worse than ever.
20:47
Speaker 1: Anna has recovered enough to go out into the snow
20:49
Speaker 1: in search of Christoph, who she now realizes, okay, maybe
20:53
Speaker 1: this is the guy I love. Anna stumbles out into
20:56
Speaker 1: the snow. Christoph is returning to her on back. After
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Speaker 1: realizing the danger, Anna sees him, stumbles towards him, and
21:05
Speaker 1: then sees her sister Elsa being approached by a sword
21:08
Speaker 1: wilding Hans. Clearly he's looking to kill her, so Anna
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Speaker 1: makes a choice, turning away from Christoph and towards Elsa.
21:15
Speaker 1: She raises her hands up just as she freezes the
21:18
Speaker 1: ice getting to her heart, and she saves Elsa from Hans.
21:23
Speaker 1: The snow stops, and Elsa hugs a frozen Anna, sobbing
21:27
Speaker 1: her tears. An act of true love thaw Anna, who
21:30
Speaker 1: unfreezes and comes back to life. Anna and Christoph get together,
21:35
Speaker 1: Elsa gets controlled of her powers after realizing love will
21:38
Speaker 1: fa and so it was bright and sunny and Aaronella again.
21:41
Speaker 1: But Elsa makes a skating rink. She's accepted her powers.
21:46
Speaker 1: The kingdom is happy, Elsa and Ana are happy, and
21:49
Speaker 1: Elsa swears they are never closing the doors again. End
21:53
Speaker 1: until the second. Yes, I can't wait to talk about this,
21:58
Speaker 1: knowing you know nothing of thing about it. Oh, it's
22:00
Speaker 1: gonna be so fun.
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Speaker 2: I've only watch the one.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So this movie was usually successful. It was the
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Speaker 1: highest grossing animated film ever made until twenty nineteen with
22:11
Speaker 1: Frozen two. It had a global gross of one point
22:16
Speaker 1: three billion dollars, and as of twenty seventeen, it was
22:18
Speaker 1: the best selling Blu ray in the United States. It
22:22
Speaker 1: won two Oscars, Best Animated Film, which was a first
22:25
Speaker 1: for Walt Disney Animation Studios, and Best Song. Also, there's
22:30
Speaker 1: a whole meme about this because John Travolta introduced a
22:32
Speaker 1: Dina Menzel as adel Doze.
22:35
Speaker 2: It was real bad.
22:36
Speaker 1: It was real bad, real bad. Yeah, it spawned a
22:40
Speaker 1: Broadway musical. Yes, it's a ride slash a whole world.
22:43
Speaker 1: I think video game shorts. It was so popular. Actor
22:48
Speaker 1: Josh God who played oh Off, allegedly could not find
22:52
Speaker 1: an Alsa dress for his daughter soon after it came
22:54
Speaker 1: out because they were sold out everywhere, and he emailed
22:58
Speaker 1: Bob Yager about it, and I guess he was able
23:03
Speaker 1: to find him one at one resort anyway. Igor has
23:08
Speaker 1: called it one of Disney's most successful franchises. Kristin Bell,
23:13
Speaker 1: who plays Anna, has said her daughter wanted to dress
23:15
Speaker 1: as Elsa and for Kristen Bell to dresses Elsa too,
23:18
Speaker 1: and we're going to talk about that in part two.
23:20
Speaker 1: Serena Williams claims to have seen it three thousand times
23:26
Speaker 1: from The Guardian. I love this quote. Sometimes the Frozen
23:31
Speaker 1: party threatened to rage too hard. Report surface that a
23:34
Speaker 1: woman in Japan had divorced her husband on the grounds
23:36
Speaker 1: that he was too ambivalent towards Frozen. This story emerged
23:40
Speaker 1: from a post on a Japanese marriage forum where a
23:43
Speaker 1: man claimed his wife had told him that there was
23:46
Speaker 1: something wrong with him as a human being if he
23:48
Speaker 1: was immune to the charms of Elsa and Anna. And
23:53
Speaker 1: I did find a lot of articles about how it's very,
23:55
Speaker 1: very popular in Japan. I felt like that would if
23:58
Speaker 1: we made this a mini series would go into it.
24:00
Speaker 1: But that's what I'm gonna say about that. I did
24:06
Speaker 1: want to ask you about once.
24:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, So what's funny is you talked about the shipwreck
24:11
Speaker 2: and that is actually a plot point for Once Upon
24:16
Speaker 2: a Time. So Once upon a Time, which is one
24:19
Speaker 2: of the series that I loved, that was a Disney
24:21
Speaker 2: ABC series that pretty much took a whole spin on
24:25
Speaker 2: the fairy Tales, Disney fairy Tales and all the fairy
24:28
Speaker 2: Tales alike. Most people think we've already talked about it,
24:31
Speaker 2: like starts out with snow White and Prince Charming being
24:34
Speaker 2: cursed and then coming into the real world in the
24:41
Speaker 2: land that's all these things, and then they bring all
24:44
Speaker 2: of the characters. You have a little Red Riding Hood,
24:46
Speaker 2: you have Pinocchio, you have Ruppel, steel Skin, You've got
24:50
Speaker 2: all of them. So on this one is the fourth
24:55
Speaker 2: season where they introduced Frozen characters. So we have and
25:00
Speaker 2: Anna coming in and the iss they in the entire
25:04
Speaker 2: series is wrapped around Frozen essentially. And the way it
25:08
Speaker 2: works is they do a lot of flashbacks to try
25:11
Speaker 2: and to you know, they go backwards into unraveling a mystery,
25:14
Speaker 2: and then it shows like the relationships between Anna and Elsa,
25:18
Speaker 2: and I will say that the characters they the people
25:20
Speaker 2: they cast as the characters was on point, Like they
25:24
Speaker 2: did a great job between like the voices sounding like it.
25:27
Speaker 2: Of course they never seen by the way uh mannerisms
25:30
Speaker 2: being on point, and of course they add like beauty
25:33
Speaker 2: and the beast in the mix in the story. But
25:36
Speaker 2: this is kind of like a prequel, I guess conversation
25:38
Speaker 2: because you have an aunt coming into the picture who
25:42
Speaker 2: has the same powers like uh Elsa, and then this
25:47
Speaker 2: whole level of like Elsa being the monster and then
25:50
Speaker 2: this h the aunt being a monster because she was
25:54
Speaker 2: treated wrongly by her family, specifically Elsa's mother, and then
25:58
Speaker 2: Elsa's mother and father turns out that she had gone.
26:01
Speaker 2: They had gone on this mission on a ship to
26:04
Speaker 2: try to cure her quote unquote cure Elsa. I don't
26:07
Speaker 2: know if this is the thing. The Wishing Star is
26:10
Speaker 2: a plot point, is it? Okay?
26:12
Speaker 1: Okay?
26:13
Speaker 2: When you said that, I was like, oh, maybe it
26:15
Speaker 2: is a part of it. Once upon a time as
26:17
Speaker 2: well as part of the what they were looking for.
26:20
Speaker 2: They talked to the patrols and trying to find it.
26:23
Speaker 2: They come to the villain who is Rumpel Stillskin who
26:26
Speaker 2: is helping them with all these things, so many things.
26:30
Speaker 2: Hook is a part of this as well. Wow, And
26:33
Speaker 2: it all talks about like being family and love. And Emma,
26:37
Speaker 2: who is the main character of the entire series, who
26:41
Speaker 2: is the daughter of snow White and the Prince, is
26:46
Speaker 2: trying to take control of her own powers and not
26:49
Speaker 2: feel feeling like an outcast and feeling like she had
26:52
Speaker 2: been abandoned as well. So those plot points come through
26:55
Speaker 2: together very sweet. And then trying to get Elsa and
26:58
Speaker 2: Anna reunited as well in this whole conversation and where
27:01
Speaker 2: because Elsa pops up to the real world confused and
27:06
Speaker 2: no one knows how she got there, and then no
27:08
Speaker 2: one knows why she's there, and then turns out she
27:11
Speaker 2: had been like cursed into an urn that held her
27:15
Speaker 2: because they were trying to stop her powers, and then
27:19
Speaker 2: she got here and she's confused because she's lost. They
27:21
Speaker 2: always lose their memory, by the way, This is a
27:23
Speaker 2: huge thing in the entire series. They all lose their
27:25
Speaker 2: memories all the time. But they can't find Anna, and
27:28
Speaker 2: she knows that she needs Anna to control her powers
27:31
Speaker 2: quote unquote, and then that's yeah, that's it. That's the
27:33
Speaker 2: whole plump point. But those are the things without going
27:36
Speaker 2: through the entire twelve fourteen episodes, which by the way,
27:38
Speaker 2: apparently was one of the highest viewed episodes seasons for
27:43
Speaker 2: that series, which was pretty big success. It was around
27:45
Speaker 2: like six seasons. It kept going. At one point I
27:49
Speaker 2: was like, all right, eventually you're gonna have to stop
27:50
Speaker 2: losing your memory and stopped trying to be reunited with
27:54
Speaker 2: each other because this is getting old.
28:02
Speaker 1: That's interesting. I'm very I've been meaning to watch that show.
28:06
Speaker 1: I think I really should.
28:07
Speaker 2: It's it's so enjoyable. There's a lot of like all like,
28:10
Speaker 2: it's one of my field good movies because they always
28:13
Speaker 2: have this thing about like redemption arc for all the villains,
28:16
Speaker 2: and some of them just can't they just can't.
28:19
Speaker 1: Oh really just saying okay. Interesting. One of the reasons,
28:34
Speaker 1: like I said, I wanted to talk about this was
28:36
Speaker 1: because I had read I thought about doing the fairy
28:41
Speaker 1: Tale for our book club that this is based upon,
28:44
Speaker 1: and I read it and I was like, wow, this
28:46
Speaker 1: is so different, and it's interesting in the ways that
28:50
Speaker 1: it is different. So we just go through that real
28:53
Speaker 1: quick allegedly Walt Disney himself wanted to adapt The Snow
28:58
Speaker 1: Queen from pretty much the get go, and they've like
29:01
Speaker 1: on and off, tried it since those early days. They
29:05
Speaker 1: really tried to make it happen since two thousand and eight,
29:08
Speaker 1: Like they had a table read in two thousand and
29:10
Speaker 1: eight with like Megan Malallely. I think, but the movie
29:14
Speaker 1: is only a loose adaptation of this fairy tale. The
29:17
Speaker 1: ending especially is very different. But yeah, I think some
29:20
Speaker 1: of the changes they made are really interesting. Frozen is yes,
29:24
Speaker 1: based on Hans Christian Anderson's fairy tale The Snow Queen,
29:28
Speaker 1: which was first published in eighteen forty four. It is
29:31
Speaker 1: told in seven parts and follows two young friends, Kai
29:33
Speaker 1: and Gerda, which I watched Frozen with the subtitles on
29:37
Speaker 1: last night, and their characters named Kai and Gerda. In it,
29:40
Speaker 1: their friendship is tested by Snow Queen and then ultimately
29:45
Speaker 1: they win. You know, but so. One of the main
29:48
Speaker 1: differences between the fairy tale and the movie is that
29:52
Speaker 1: the Snow Queen is the primary antagonist in the fairy tale,
29:56
Speaker 1: while she is one of the primary protagonists in the movie.
30:00
Speaker 1: The villain is instead Hans in the movie. So in
30:04
Speaker 1: the story, she the snow Queen lures children away, knowing
30:07
Speaker 1: that they'll freeze to death. In the movie, Elsa is
30:12
Speaker 1: traumatized and afraid of her powers, but she doesn't want
30:14
Speaker 1: to hurt anyone. She removes herself from situations or she
30:20
Speaker 1: thinks she's gonna calls harm to minimize harm, and she
30:23
Speaker 1: tries to minimize her ability. She tries to squash them away.
30:30
Speaker 1: She has to use the power of love and being
30:32
Speaker 1: open to control it. Anderson's Snow Queen is defeated by
30:37
Speaker 1: youthful innocence like she's She's basically like your evil witch
30:42
Speaker 1: in more traditional Disney movies. She has more powers in
30:47
Speaker 1: the fairy Tale or as far as we know, because
30:49
Speaker 1: now it's gonna beet frozen three and four, who knows
30:52
Speaker 1: what could happen. She can like kill in numb with
30:55
Speaker 1: her kisses. She's very seductive. The Faairytale opens with the
31:01
Speaker 1: Devil disguised as an evil troll who makes a mirror
31:05
Speaker 1: that distorts reality and later breaks that mirror into pieces
31:10
Speaker 1: that bury, Yeah, that bury themselves into the eyes and
31:13
Speaker 1: hearts of people.
31:14
Speaker 2: Oh that's a part of once really, Yeah, they actually
31:17
Speaker 2: have that. That's at once. That's cool, and they talk
31:21
Speaker 2: about that story. Now that you say that, that specific story,
31:25
Speaker 2: the aunt relays to Elsa and Anna or she tells
31:28
Speaker 2: it to Anna and kind of like this is a
31:29
Speaker 2: mudby what happened? Have you ever heard this fairy tale?
31:33
Speaker 2: And how did you break it? Like as an omen
31:35
Speaker 2: but yeah, that actually yeah, that's the part of the
31:37
Speaker 2: pop point too.
31:38
Speaker 1: Cool. Cool, Yeah, I mean this sounds it also reminds
31:45
Speaker 1: me of like snow white and stuff, which again, if
31:48
Speaker 1: you've seen Wish, you know what I'm talking about.
31:52
Speaker 2: Interesting, it sounds like they did like a blend of
31:54
Speaker 2: the fairy Tale and Frozen in the Once upon a
31:58
Speaker 2: Time because the snow Queen that's what she's referenced as
32:02
Speaker 2: in Once upon a Time and it is the aunt to
32:05
Speaker 2: the girls who just wants to bring the family. But
32:08
Speaker 2: she is the antagonist until a certain point.
32:12
Speaker 1: But she so she does have a redemption arc. Okay, interesting. Yeah,
32:18
Speaker 1: So these shards from this mirror hit one of these
32:23
Speaker 1: kids and they turn him like cold and distant. They
32:26
Speaker 1: make him vulnerable to the ice Cream's powers, and to
32:29
Speaker 1: save him, the other child cries warm tears onto him,
32:32
Speaker 1: and they melt the ice in his heart, which is
32:35
Speaker 1: similar ish to the ending of Frozen, but notably, as
32:41
Speaker 1: I said, Frozen went through a lot, a lot, a
32:44
Speaker 1: lot of rewrites. The original ending of Frozen did place
32:47
Speaker 1: Elsa much more in the camp of a villain and
32:51
Speaker 1: had her torturing soldiers, intentionally creating an army of snow monsters.
32:56
Speaker 1: In this original version, On and Elsa weren't sisters. They
32:59
Speaker 1: weren't woryal team. And Elsa had been left at the
33:03
Speaker 1: altar and she is so upset she goes out to
33:08
Speaker 1: a wishing star. She sees a wishing star, and she
33:12
Speaker 1: wishes to never feel this pain again. And due to
33:16
Speaker 1: a prophecy reading a ruler with a frozen heart will
33:20
Speaker 1: bring destruction to the kingdom of Arundel, everyone thinks she
33:23
Speaker 1: is the harbinger of destruction. I haven't read the original script,
33:27
Speaker 1: so I'm not sure how that works. But yes, but
33:30
Speaker 1: the prophecy was actually about Hans, who joined forces with
33:34
Speaker 1: Elsa to cause an avalanche to defeat Anna. Eventually, Anna
33:39
Speaker 1: did convince Elsa to join her, and Elsa regained her
33:41
Speaker 1: ability to love. However, the producers were worried that no
33:44
Speaker 1: one would like Elsa because she spent most of the
33:47
Speaker 1: movie as a villain. Here's a quote from one of
33:49
Speaker 1: the producers. Making them Anna and Elsa related led us
33:53
Speaker 1: to the idea of her living in fear of her powers. Elsa,
33:57
Speaker 1: what if she's afraid of who she is and afraid
33:59
Speaker 1: of hurting the one she loves. Now we had a
34:02
Speaker 1: character in Anna who is all about love and Elsa
34:04
Speaker 1: who is all about fear. That led to making Elsa
34:07
Speaker 1: a much more dimensional, sympathetic character, and instead of the
34:10
Speaker 1: traditional good versus evil theme we had on that we
34:13
Speaker 1: felt was more relatable love versus fear, and the premise
34:16
Speaker 1: of the movie became that love is stronger than fear.
34:19
Speaker 1: One of the things director Chris Buck had in most
34:21
Speaker 1: versions of the film was a moment where Anna's heart
34:24
Speaker 1: was frozen and needed to be thawed. Chris said, does
34:27
Speaker 1: it always need to be true love's first kiss that
34:29
Speaker 1: solves the problem? Does it always need to be a
34:32
Speaker 1: man who comes in and rescues the female? Could it
34:34
Speaker 1: be something different? And that led to a different ending
34:38
Speaker 1: which I'm like, yes, but also yes, it's like I
34:43
Speaker 1: don't know why. I'm very glad you can't get this
34:47
Speaker 1: to this viewpoint, but also yes, I love it. I
34:52
Speaker 1: did love that ending. I'm gonna talk about that more.
34:53
Speaker 1: But it is funny to be reading it, especially now,
34:56
Speaker 1: like looking back, you're like, yes, yes. Jennifer Lee's notes
35:01
Speaker 1: on the original screening, So I told you they had
35:04
Speaker 1: this like horrible screening of the first version and it
35:07
Speaker 1: was not good. Jennifer Lee gave notes on it who
35:12
Speaker 1: she felt bad. She felt bad about it because she
35:14
Speaker 1: was like, I was very mean, but they were like, no,
35:16
Speaker 1: it was needed. But one of the notes she had
35:19
Speaker 1: was quote the Snowman was persnickety and mean, because this
35:23
Speaker 1: is when Elsa was a villain and Anna, I felt,
35:25
Speaker 1: was this mount Man's teaching her everything. The women were
35:28
Speaker 1: against each other too, and I think I just felt
35:31
Speaker 1: personally kept saying, if you really want to make this
35:33
Speaker 1: about a different kind of true love and compassion, then
35:36
Speaker 1: it's hard because they're against each other. And it was
35:39
Speaker 1: like the production schedule got moved by a year, so
35:44
Speaker 1: it was a very scrambled process, which I'm sure was
35:48
Speaker 1: incredibly stressful, but it was very collaborative, Like a lot
35:51
Speaker 1: of the actors have spoken about, Oh, I was like,
35:54
Speaker 1: my character wouldn't do this, or wouldn't do this, and
35:57
Speaker 1: because it was collaborative, it sounds like it did work.
36:00
Speaker 1: It doesn't always work, but in this case, it seemed
36:04
Speaker 1: like it did. And yeah, many people did describe the
36:09
Speaker 1: original story the original script is like a traditional Disney
36:13
Speaker 1: storytelling thing with the evil witch the young heroine. But
36:17
Speaker 1: when they changed it, it changed the whole game. And they
36:20
Speaker 1: were in part thinking about this because of the success
36:24
Speaker 1: of Tangled, which I would also love to talk about,
36:27
Speaker 1: which wasn't necessarily so princess centric. By the way, both
36:33
Speaker 1: the Dina Manziel and Kristen Bell and I'm pretty sure
36:36
Speaker 1: like a lot of other people in this movie audition
36:39
Speaker 1: for Tangled and didn't get it.
36:42
Speaker 2: Really said, when you see Menzelle being like this huge
36:46
Speaker 2: Broadway star having to audition from musical, I know.
36:49
Speaker 1: And she said, she said, she feels I don't want
36:54
Speaker 1: to like, I feel like I'm gonna misquote it because
36:56
Speaker 1: it sounds like I'm saying she feels like she didn't
36:58
Speaker 1: get it because of a technicality. But she said she
37:00
Speaker 1: wasn't quite the right age because they one was like
37:02
Speaker 1: the young heroine or the old stepmother, and she was
37:07
Speaker 1: like kind of the mid so she didn't fit either. Or,
37:12
Speaker 1: which is also a problem in a lot of these things.
37:15
Speaker 2: Which is odd because previously it didn't matter. I know, interesting,
37:22
Speaker 2: But also I don't know anything about Tangled. Oh.
37:26
Speaker 1: I have a list of movies at the end of
37:28
Speaker 1: part two that I want to come back to. Tangled
37:30
Speaker 1: is one. We're gonna have to spread it out. Obviously
37:35
Speaker 1: that was.
37:35
Speaker 2: Not really heavily focused on in Once, but Brave was
37:43
Speaker 2: Brave is.
37:44
Speaker 1: All of this too. I have some thoughts about it.
37:46
Speaker 1: When I want to hear your oh, we're gonna, We're
37:49
Speaker 1: gonna talk because I want to know how Once handled it. Meredith, Yes,
37:54
Speaker 1: can you change your fate? I sure? Apologies to everyone.
38:01
Speaker 1: I have a friend who says that quote all of
38:03
Speaker 1: the time.
38:04
Speaker 2: I would I don't. I assume it's from that movie.
38:07
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, Brave, which, by the way, if you believe
38:11
Speaker 1: in the whole multiverse of Pixar, is the start. Oh okay.
38:18
Speaker 1: Another thing that was different between Frozen and The Fairy
38:22
Speaker 1: Tale is that they were Elson Honor were princesses. The
38:25
Speaker 1: foils for them were poor children. Christophe was a violent
38:30
Speaker 1: robber girl who threatened to kill one of the children,
38:34
Speaker 1: and a sentient reindeer who was essentially spin so they
38:37
Speaker 1: made him a bit more palatable. Also, religious evertones. There
38:47
Speaker 1: was a lot of religious evertones, as there are with
38:49
Speaker 1: many fairy tales that they did not include in the movie.
38:53
Speaker 1: There was a lot of darker material in the fairy
38:55
Speaker 1: tale that they did not include the movie. Cannibalism, abuse, murders,
39:00
Speaker 1: those fairy tales. If you go back and read them.
39:03
Speaker 2: You realize that actual fairy tales are like that dark
39:07
Speaker 2: guy Hansel and Gretel was real dark.
39:09
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, yes it was. But okay, so I
39:15
Speaker 1: feel like we've we've set the scene. This is gonna
39:18
Speaker 1: be the end of our part one and then in
39:21
Speaker 1: part two we're going to talk about the legacy, a
39:23
Speaker 1: bunch of themes, all kinds of things and once and brave.
39:29
Speaker 1: I'm very excited. But yes, this is this is it
39:31
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39:34
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