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MONSTER MOM DROWNS DAUGHTER, 7, WANTED "ALONE TIME" · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, so called monster mom drowns
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  Speaker 1: her daughter to seven years old because she wanted alone time.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Mascy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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  Speaker 2: being with us.
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  Speaker 3: A Nashville mother fed up with motherhood, wanting to be
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  Speaker 3: left alone, now accused of drowning her seven year old daughter.
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  Speaker 1: When EMTs arrived, this is what happens.
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  Speaker 4: Henderson police get a nine to one one call and
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  Speaker 4: arrive to find mom Brandy Elliot, performing CPR on her
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  Speaker 4: seven year old daughter along a popular trail. The girl
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  Speaker 4: is soaking wet, having been pulled from the water fiber.
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  Speaker 4: Elliot is taking by ambulance to a local hospital. Just
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  Speaker 4: before noon, so all of this.
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  Speaker 2: Happens even before lunchtime.
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  Speaker 1: Joining me an all star panel, but straight out to
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  Speaker 1: Lauren Collin, hosts of Prime Time on YouTube.
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  Speaker 2: Lauren, thank you for being with us. Lauren. Where did
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  Speaker 2: this happen? Nancy?
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  Speaker 5: This happened in Hendersonville, Tennessee, at Drake's Creek. It's about
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  Speaker 5: a two minute walk and they walked over there. The
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  Speaker 5: creek is very shallow, so let me understand what I'm hearing.
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  Speaker 1: This was actually a walk away from the apartment because
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  Speaker 1: when this first became known, many people assumed that the
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  Speaker 1: little seven year old girl actually drowned in the bathtub.
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  Speaker 2: But no, she actually.
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  Speaker 1: Drowned in a shallow part of a lake. So what
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  Speaker 1: exactly happened that morning?
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  Speaker 2: Listen?
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  Speaker 4: It's Saturday morning and seven year old Piper joins her
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  Speaker 4: mother sitting on the steps outside their apartment.
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  Speaker 2: It's just the two of them.
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  Speaker 4: Her father, a disabled Irocky Warvette, is in the hospital.
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  Speaker 4: The two set out for a walk along the green
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  Speaker 4: Way next to Drake Creek. The three point nine mile
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  Speaker 4: trail is considered an easy taking about an hour and
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  Speaker 4: eleven minutes to complete. But instead of heading home, Mom
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  Speaker 4: Brandy Elliot, makes a gutbridge and call two Hendersonville Police.
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  Speaker 4: She tells them she's doing CPR on her daughter who
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  Speaker 4: is drowned in the shallow end of the waterway again.
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  Speaker 1: And I'll start paneling with us right now to figure
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  Speaker 1: out what happened to this little seven year old girl.
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  Speaker 1: Piper to doctor Kendall Crowns, joining us, renowned chief medical
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  Speaker 1: examiner of Terrance County. That's Dallas Fort Worth. Plenty of
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  Speaker 1: business at the Morgue. There a lecturer at the Esteemed
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  Speaker 1: Burnett School of Medicine at TCU. Doctor Kendall crowns the
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  Speaker 1: shallow part of the water. I take that to be
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  Speaker 1: three feet, and under shallow it could even be less.
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  Speaker 1: It could be less than three feet. So a little
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  Speaker 1: girl age seven, normally grown according to growth charts, how
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  Speaker 1: tall would she be?
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  Speaker 6: Probably about around four foot a little taller than that.
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  Speaker 6: She'd definitely be higher than a three foot level of water,
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  Speaker 6: so well well above that creek level.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm looking at more surrounding that morning, It's Saturday morning.
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  Speaker 1: Seven year old Piper joins her.
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  Speaker 2: Mom, just the two of them.
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  Speaker 1: The father, a disabled a rocky war vet, is in
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  Speaker 1: the hospital.
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  Speaker 2: Listen.
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  Speaker 7: John Elliott was injured during his time with the Marines
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  Speaker 7: and stays home with Piper while Brandy Elliott supports the
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  Speaker 7: family with her job at McDonald's. When a complication of
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  Speaker 7: his injuries lands John in the ICU, Brandy is left
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  Speaker 7: to take care of Piper between shifts. After a week
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  Speaker 7: in the hospital, John is stable enough to move out
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  Speaker 7: of critical care. Piper is so excited to finally visit
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  Speaker 7: her dad, she spends all day drawing pictures to decorate
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  Speaker 7: his hospital room. Piper gives her dad plenty of her
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  Speaker 7: famous hugs during the visit before Mom says it's time
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  Speaker 7: to go home.
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  Speaker 1: So let me understand, Lauren Collin, the dad who has
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  Speaker 1: spent a lot of time raising Piper while mom is
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  Speaker 1: at work. He's disabled. Yes, he's not there to protect her.
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  Speaker 1: It's just her and the mom, right, correct.
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  Speaker 5: Piper and Brandy spent time together during the period that
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  Speaker 5: John was in the hospital, but normally John is the
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  Speaker 5: stay at home dad.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, how did the whole thing start? Listen?
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  Speaker 8: Marine veteran John Elliott meets the love of his life,
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  Speaker 8: Brandy and Hindersonville, Tennessee. Within a year, John has proposed
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  Speaker 8: and the couple has a big white wedding at Grace
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  Speaker 8: Baptist Church. Brandy's a wonderful stepmother to John's son, and
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  Speaker 8: soon after the couple welcomes their own child, Piper. By
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  Speaker 8: seven years old. Piper is known for her ability to
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  Speaker 8: put a smile on anyone's face. Piper loves to dance,
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  Speaker 8: fish with her dad, dress up as Disney princesses, and
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  Speaker 8: binge Gordon Ramsey cooking shows.
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  Speaker 2: Taking a look.
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  Speaker 1: At Piper with her dad, I'm just wondering what type
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  Speaker 1: of feeling of helplessness or isolation he was feeling in
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  Speaker 1: the hospital. He spends every single day with daughter Piper
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  Speaker 1: until he lands back in the hospital with a complication
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  Speaker 1: due to war injuries.
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  Speaker 2: No more Piper.
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  Speaker 1: She comes to visit him, giving him all of her
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  Speaker 1: drawings and big hugs, and then the two leave.
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  Speaker 9: Listen When Brandy Elliott gets home with Piper from the hospital,
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  Speaker 9: Elliott wants some time alone. Elliott tells Piper she'll be
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  Speaker 9: back in a few minutes, leaves the seven year old
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  Speaker 9: inside their apartment and sits at the bottom of the
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  Speaker 9: stairs leading to their door.
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  Speaker 3: Worried about her mom.
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  Speaker 9: Piper follows Elliott downstairs and starts talking. Elliot gets up
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  Speaker 9: and crosses the street to a greenway along Drake's Creek,
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  Speaker 9: with Piper following behind her.
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  Speaker 2: I can just see that.
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  Speaker 1: Little ducks following the mommy duck. Piper's following along behind mom,
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  Speaker 1: and why shouldn't she joining me? Renounce psychiatrist out of
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  Speaker 1: the LA jurisdiction, Doctor Angela Arnold at angela Arnold MD
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  Speaker 1: dot com. Doctor Angie. So far, this sounds like a
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  Speaker 1: normal mother daughter relationship. Now I guess I'm different. I
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  Speaker 1: never want alone time once I had the twins.
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  Speaker 2: You know, that's what I want.
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  Speaker 1: I want our family together as much as we can be.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm thinking about this mom, and she's the breadwinner
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  Speaker 1: in the family. The husband is disabled. I'm sure he's
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  Speaker 1: getting some sort of a disability check, but still that's
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  Speaker 1: never enough for a family. So explain to me the
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  Speaker 1: alone time phenomena. What does that mean?
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  Speaker 10: You know, Nancy, I have a feeling that from what
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  Speaker 10: you've described, she doesn't send a lot of time with
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  Speaker 10: her daughter. The father takes care of the daughter most
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  Speaker 10: of the time, and perhaps she you know, alone time.
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  Speaker 10: I mean, like you said, who the heck as a
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  Speaker 10: lone time when they have a child raised, particularly when
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  Speaker 10: you said that the woman was going from work to
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  Speaker 10: taking care of the child while he was in the hospital.
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  Speaker 10: So this is not a time when any mother that
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  Speaker 10: has any motherly feelings inside of her should crave alone time.
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  Speaker 10: This is a time when she has to step up
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  Speaker 10: and take care of her child out of necessity. So
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  Speaker 10: I'm not quite sure what was going through her mind
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  Speaker 10: that she thought that this was a time in her
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  Speaker 10: life when she got to be alone when the family
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  Speaker 10: apparently needs more support than that.
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  Speaker 1: And generally speaking, doctor Angie, I'm not familiar. I've never
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  Speaker 1: felt my desire to have alone time away from the twins.
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  Speaker 2: I just don't feel that.
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  Speaker 1: So explain what that means, not just to this mother,
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  Speaker 1: Brandy Elliott, but in general alone time. I've got a friend,
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  Speaker 1: super smart started a business a reload, a reload business relocation,
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  Speaker 1: like a big company wants to go from New Jersey
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  Speaker 1: to New Mexico. Okay, she built this company where she
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  Speaker 1: takes on the whole corporation and moves them, finds them, schools,
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  Speaker 1: finds them apartments, finds them, homes, the whole shebang. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: you know what she does for alone time? When she
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  Speaker 1: goes to the grocery store when she's not handling the
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  Speaker 1: business that she created and goes shopping during that thirty
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  Speaker 1: minutes or so, walking the grocery aisles. That's her alone time. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So what is the mental need for alone time?
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  Speaker 2: I don't have it.
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  Speaker 11: Explain it to Timmy, Well, Nancy, there are people who
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  Speaker 11: are more introverted than extroverted, and they actually need time
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  Speaker 11: all to themselves to recharge.
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  Speaker 10: In other words, being around a lot of people wear
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  Speaker 10: some out. Perhaps this woman says that she needed a
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  Speaker 10: lone time because she had been because her routine was
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  Speaker 10: different and she was having to go and see the
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  Speaker 10: husband at the hospital, and she needed to be actually
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  Speaker 10: alone to recharge her own batteries. And like I said,
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  Speaker 10: people that are more introverted than extroverted do require that
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  Speaker 10: kind of time.
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  Speaker 1: I'm asking you for a medical opinion, because here's another example.
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  Speaker 1: I have another friend, Okay, when she gets home, when
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  Speaker 1: she gets home from work, she sits in her car
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  Speaker 1: with the doors shut and locked in the garage which
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  Speaker 1: is all closed, for like twenty thirty minutes before she
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  Speaker 1: comes in. All Right, I don't know what that is.
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  Speaker 1: Doesn't she get hot? Doesn't she worried about carbon monoxide poisoning?
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  Speaker 1: That said, that's what I'm seeing. See I just jump
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  Speaker 1: out and run in and boots on the ground.
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  Speaker 2: Right, everybody's not like that.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm asking you not for some vernacular you've heard,
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  Speaker 1: let's see at your bridge club, but recharging.
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  Speaker 2: What does it mean to take a mental break.
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  Speaker 10: There are people that, if they are that are introverts,
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  Speaker 10: and there are people who are extroverts. People who are
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  Speaker 10: extroverts gain their energy from being around a lot of people.
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  Speaker 10: They actually get energized from that. Okay, so Nancy, we
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  Speaker 10: would describe you as an extrovert. You need that, you
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  Speaker 10: don't get tired from being around people. Then there are people.
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  Speaker 1: I don't need it, doctor Angie. I'm perfectly happy alone.
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  Speaker 1: I lived alone for years and years in New York.
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  Speaker 1: I never even thought about a husband, and children didn't
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  Speaker 1: even cross my mind. Now that I've got them, it's wonderful.
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  Speaker 1: I don't need that. Let me think of some other
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  Speaker 1: way to pose this question. What about decompression. Does that
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  Speaker 1: ring a bell? When your mind has to decompress from
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  Speaker 1: one situation, one stressful situation, to another situation, what does
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  Speaker 1: the brain do during that decompression period.
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  Speaker 10: She needs the alone time because she can't take the
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  Speaker 10: stimuli in anymore. Nancy. She said, too much stimuli coming
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  Speaker 10: inside of her, whether it be from going to work
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  Speaker 10: than to watching the child, to going to the hospital.
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  Speaker 10: It was too much for this woman. So she needs
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  Speaker 10: she literally needs no stimuli in order for her brain
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  Speaker 10: to rest. And as you said, decompress, she needs a
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  Speaker 10: lack of stimulus. That's why she had to walk outside
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  Speaker 10: and sit on the porch. Unfortunately, that's why she walked
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  Speaker 10: down to the lake, and her little girl didn't understand this,
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  Speaker 10: so she followed her down there. But she needed no
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  Speaker 10: stimuli so that her brain could rest.
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  Speaker 1: Is that some sort of a condition, Doctor Angie Arnold,
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  Speaker 1: It could be.
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  Speaker 10: It's a condition that we definitely see in people that
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  Speaker 10: are what we can call on the autism spectrum. They
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  Speaker 10: cannot take in too much stimuli, they have to rest.
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  Speaker 10: They mirrors autism. You asked me, are there conditions in
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  Speaker 10: which this exists?
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  Speaker 5: Yes?
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  Speaker 10: There are. One of those conditions is the autism spectrum. Okay,
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  Speaker 10: I didn't say she has autism, but that is a
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  Speaker 10: condition in which this exists.
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  Speaker 2: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 1: Ben Power is joining me, guys renown criminal defense attorney.
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  Speaker 1: You can find him at legalpowers dot com. Ben serious question.
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  Speaker 1: Could burnout be a defense? Of course it's not. I'll
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  Speaker 1: just give you the answer right now.
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  Speaker 2: Burnout. I'm burned out, so I killed my child?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not going to work. But could some derivative
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  Speaker 1: of that burnout? I mean, the woman works at McDonald's
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  Speaker 1: all day long.
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  Speaker 2: Have you seen the way some customers act to McDonald's.
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  Speaker 1: We're always seeing videos of them jumping over the counter
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  Speaker 1: if you don't give them their condiment climbing through the utes,
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  Speaker 1: forcing themselves like ejecting themselves out of the through the car,
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  Speaker 1: from the car through the drive through, I mean stress, right,
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  Speaker 1: because you're dealing with the public, does that and then
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  Speaker 1: comes home. But typically the husband is there taking care
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  Speaker 1: of Piper. Right, So during this period while he is
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  Speaker 1: in the hospital Iraqi Warvett, she's working and taking care
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  Speaker 1: of Piper.
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  Speaker 2: Burnout.
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  Speaker 1: Ain't gonna cut it, okay, for lack of a better phrase,
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  Speaker 1: But could it be spun out? You know, like rumpelstilts
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  Speaker 1: could just spin.
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  Speaker 2: Out that straw and get gold. Is there a way
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  Speaker 2: to spin that out to a defense?
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  Speaker 12: So you're gonna have to anchor that to mental health
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  Speaker 12: condition to show that she essentially just snapped, because to
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  Speaker 12: be able to establish an inanity.
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  Speaker 1: When I'm sorry, you made me choke on my tee.
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  Speaker 1: Did Ben Powers, who's won a lot of cases in court,
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  Speaker 1: did he actually just say snapped? That's a show on
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  Speaker 1: Oxygen snapped. Okay, that's not a real defense. I don't
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  Speaker 1: care what Oxygen tells you.
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  Speaker 2: I snapped.
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  Speaker 1: I snap about fifty times a day. But it is
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  Speaker 1: not a defense to murder ben, So you didn't snap.
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  Speaker 2: On me, because I know that's not a defense.
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  Speaker 12: Well, so snap to a pronounced degree to where you disassociate,
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  Speaker 12: you become delusional, you don't appreciate what's going on in
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  Speaker 12: that moment. Not snapped as in a frustration about the day,
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  Speaker 12: but snap truly you have an out of body experience,
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  Speaker 12: almost to where you don't fully appreciate what you're doing
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  Speaker 12: as you're doing it. Because that's the nature of an
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  Speaker 12: insanity defense, is that there's a serious meta condition or
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  Speaker 12: mental health condition or mental health defect, and because of
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  Speaker 12: that mental health defect, you don't appreciate the seriousness of
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  Speaker 12: your current actions in that moment. So if the strain
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  Speaker 12: of her day somehow exacerbated a mental health condition to
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  Speaker 12: where she snapped in the sense of disassociated from the
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  Speaker 12: situation while she was doing what she did, then that
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  Speaker 12: could be the grounds for an insanity defense.
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  Speaker 1: In this situation, that's a lot of woulda could have,
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  Speaker 1: should have, a lot of ifs, but Maybe's listen.
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  Speaker 9: When Brandy Elliott gets home with Piper from the hospital,
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  Speaker 9: Elliott wants some time alone. Elliott tells Piper she'll be
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  Speaker 9: back in a few minutes, leaves the seven year old
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  Speaker 9: inside their apartment and sits at the bottom of the
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  Speaker 9: stairs leading to their door. Worried about her mom, Piper
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  Speaker 9: follows Elliott downstairs and starts talking. Elliott gets up and
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  Speaker 9: crosses the street to a greenway along Brake's Creek, with
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  Speaker 9: Piper following behind her.
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  Speaker 3: The mother allegedly tells police she was having a bad
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  Speaker 3: day and Piper would not give her what she wanted,
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  Speaker 3: time alone.
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  Speaker 2: Time alone.
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  Speaker 1: Now Piper's dead, and according to reports, her mother, Brandy Elliot,
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  Speaker 1: compared her daughter to a let me make sure I've
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  Speaker 1: got this right, a large mouthed bass in the water.
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  Speaker 2: Listen.
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  Speaker 8: Seven year old Piper continues following behind her mom on
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  Speaker 8: the trail and asks where they're going several times. Then
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  Speaker 8: Elliott grabs Piper by the wrist and leads her down
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  Speaker 8: to the creek. Elliott holds Piper's head under the water
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  Speaker 8: and tells her to be quiet. When Piper finally stops struggling,
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  Speaker 8: Elliott pulls her from the water and starts CPR and
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  Speaker 8: calls nine to one one. Piper is rushed to try
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  Speaker 8: Star Centennial Medical Center, but it's too late. The little
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  Speaker 8: girl dies and mom, Brandy Elliott, is immediately arrested for murder.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, these comments didn't help at all, Lauren Collins joining me,
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  Speaker 1: investigative reporter and star a primetime crime on YouTube.
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  Speaker 2: Lauren.
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  Speaker 1: Apparently, the mom stated her daughter was like a large
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  Speaker 1: mouth bass under the water and that she held her mother,
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  Speaker 1: Brandy Elliot, the so called monster mom holds her daughter
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  Speaker 1: under the water Piper until she quote felt her bubbling.
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  Speaker 1: I'm getting this from court documents. What can you tell me,
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  Speaker 1: Lauren Colin, Yes.
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  Speaker 5: In addition to that, Nancy, it absolutely discussed me. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: I have an eight year old daughter. I can't even imagine.
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  Speaker 5: But the reports actually say that Brandy tried to shush
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  Speaker 5: her daughter as she was holding her down.
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  Speaker 2: She actually was like shush, shush, shush.
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  Speaker 5: She wanted to get her to stop making noise, stop struggling,
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  Speaker 5: and so I believe once she realized Piper was gone.
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  Speaker 5: I'm obviously not a doctor, but she snapped out of it.
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  Speaker 5: She realized what she did, and then she called nine
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  Speaker 5: to one one.
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  Speaker 1: Hold on just a moment, you, Lauren colinenpowers keep bringing
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  Speaker 1: up the verb snap, using it as some sort of defense.
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  Speaker 1: You claimed, you stated, Lauren Colin, and I just want
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  Speaker 1: to be very clear about this that when she after
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  Speaker 1: she snapped and she came out of it, came out
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  Speaker 1: of what she told her daughter, I want alone time,
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  Speaker 1: go away, leave me alone.
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  Speaker 2: She comes then from the hospital.
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  Speaker 1: She's driving perfectly fine, she's talking to the daughter, they're communicating,
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  Speaker 1: she decides to go for a walk. Everything's fine until
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  Speaker 1: she quote gets fed up.
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  Speaker 2: Her words, not my words.
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  Speaker 1: That is not snapping, and then you come out of it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm fed up right now because none of this is
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  Speaker 1: a defense for drowning your daughter, your seven year old daughter,
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  Speaker 1: and comparing her to a large mouth bass.
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  Speaker 3: I agree.
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  Speaker 2: I agree.
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  Speaker 5: I just think that when something is so horrific like
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  Speaker 5: this that we don't know what else to think except
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  Speaker 5: for something came over this woman, something happened inside her brain.
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  Speaker 12: That didn't happen before.
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  Speaker 2: It's just so.
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  Speaker 1: Horrific, Colin, something came over this woman. If that were
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  Speaker 1: a defense, everybody in Riker's right now would be walking
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  Speaker 1: free because something.
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  Speaker 2: Came over them.
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: That's what you know a lawyer.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: I remember a rapist told me he broke into a home.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: And the woman came out and went, oh who are you?
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: And quote my little nature got up. Oh god, and
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: he raped her. Something just came over him. Yes, an erection,
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: that's what happened. And now she's dead. Okay, something came
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: over me. That's not a defense. Even Ben Powers, veteran
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: trial lawyer, cannot spin something came over that woman into
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: defense empowers.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: Please tell me you cannot.
• 20:02
  Speaker 12: Well, so the dovetail off what Lauren was saying. She's
• 20:05
  Speaker 12: the type of jury that I would want a trial
• 20:07
  Speaker 12: because she's able to understand that this is so unhuman,
• 20:12
  Speaker 12: so counter to being a child's mother, that there must
• 20:15
  Speaker 12: be something wrong, because there's no other logical explanation other
• 20:19
  Speaker 12: than there's a disassociation. There's some kind of disconnect by
• 20:23
  Speaker 12: the mother in that moment, because it's so horrific to
• 20:26
  Speaker 12: think that.
• 20:28
  Speaker 10: Capable of this.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Your heasin So okay, you see a woman I guess
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: been powers charged with murder and you immediately play the
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: mom card with the jury. I know where you're coming from.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: Did you hear that, Lauren Colin? I hope you're proud
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: because he wants you, the defense attorney wants.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: You on the jury. You know what.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: Let me go to Julie Gates joining us Major Law enforcement,
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: crime scene investigator, forensic science program coordinator instructor at Southern
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: Crescent College.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: Julie Gates, thank you for being with us. Could you
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: explain the evidence in this case?
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Am I the only Am I the only one that
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: believes that snapped and something came over her? Is not
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: a defense? I mean, think about it, Julie Gates. How
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: long it takes, which I'm going to have to get
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: from doctor Kendall Crown's how long it typically takes for
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: someone to die of drowning.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: That's how long.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: You know, Julie, You've heard this argue to many a jury.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Intent can be formed and the twinkling of the moment,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: the blink of an eye, the time it takes you
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: hold a gun and pull the trigger that fast. It
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: does not require some long drawn out plans, such as
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: poisoning someone over a period of weeks or months.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: It can be formed.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Just like that, she held a child under the water
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: until she was quote Bubbling told her to quote her words,
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: be quiet, and that the child looked like a large
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: mouth bas under the water.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: That's plenty of time to form intent, and she clearly
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: knew she was doing. Help me, Julie, I agree with
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: you totally.
• 22:13
  Speaker 13: I knew think she knew what she was doing the
• 22:15
  Speaker 13: whole time. And if i'm the doctor, can correct me
• 22:17
  Speaker 13: on this. But I think it takes anywhere from three
• 22:19
  Speaker 13: to five minutes to drown, so you at least have
• 22:23
  Speaker 13: three to five minutes she's holding her under that water.
• 22:26
  Speaker 13: I am not a parent myself, but I know you
• 22:31
  Speaker 13: just don't have time. I have a needy dog. I
• 22:33
  Speaker 13: know it's not a comparison to a child, but this
• 22:36
  Speaker 13: dog requires attention from the time I get up in
• 22:39
  Speaker 13: the morning to the time I get go to bed
• 22:41
  Speaker 13: at night. So I mean the same with kids. And
• 22:44
  Speaker 13: like I said, I'm not a mom, but my mom
• 22:47
  Speaker 13: had three children and I'm an identical twin, so I
• 22:50
  Speaker 13: know she had it.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: I know you have to be a mom to understand stress.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: And your job with major law enforcement crime scene investigator,
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: you have a lot of stress because if you screw up,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: the wrong person could go to jail, or nobody goes
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: to jail, the right person doesn't go to jail, So
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: that's a lot of stress. It doesn't matter what the
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: stress is. Stress equals stress. It's a common denominator with
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: all of us. But do you ever want to just
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: strangle your dog and kill him.
• 23:25
  Speaker 13: Nope, I sure don't.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: I love her to death.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: Before you get too deep into the fear feelings about
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: your dog, I want you to hear how this mother,
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: if she can be called that changes her story.
• 23:36
  Speaker 9: Speaking with Hendersonville Police after her arrest, Brandy Elliott says
• 23:40
  Speaker 9: she was having a rough day and Piper would not
• 23:43
  Speaker 9: give her what she wanted, time alone. Elliott says she
• 23:45
  Speaker 9: held Piper under the water quote like a large mouthed bass,
• 23:49
  Speaker 9: until there were bubbles. Elliott claims she then realized what
• 23:52
  Speaker 9: she had done, started CPR and called for help.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Doctor Angela Arnold, did you hear her state that I
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: held her underwater like a large mouth bass until she
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: was bubbling, in other words, the bubbles coming out of
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: her daughter's mouth, and then they quit because she had
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: a quote rough day and because she was quote fed up.
• 24:17
  Speaker 10: So, Nancy, if I may have a minute to explain
• 24:20
  Speaker 10: something to the viewers. There are five reasons that have
• 24:24
  Speaker 10: been identified by someone named doctor phil Resnik, who's a
• 24:28
  Speaker 10: famous psychiatrist. There are five motives or reasons for someone
• 24:33
  Speaker 10: to kill their child, and that's called philicide. One of
• 24:37
  Speaker 10: the reasons is what two of the guests have been describing,
• 24:40
  Speaker 10: and that is acute psychosis. There can be there and
• 24:45
  Speaker 10: that is what they are describing as snapped. Okay, if
• 24:50
  Speaker 10: the mother has been under a tremendous amount of stress,
• 24:53
  Speaker 10: if she also has a history of a mental illness,
• 24:57
  Speaker 10: she can have an acute psychosis that over because of
• 25:01
  Speaker 10: that stress she can be having Typically they're having command
• 25:05
  Speaker 10: hallucinations that tell her to hurt the child. That is
• 25:10
  Speaker 10: one of the five reasons for philicide. The other ones
• 25:14
  Speaker 10: aren't really The other ones aren't appropriate here and unwanted child,
• 25:19
  Speaker 10: fatal maltreatment, altruism. In other words, you think the child
• 25:23
  Speaker 10: will be better off dead than alive, and spousal revenge.
• 25:28
  Speaker 10: That's the rarest reason for philocide in this case. As
• 25:33
  Speaker 10: two guests have described the snap, she could have become
• 25:38
  Speaker 10: acutely psychotic. And as we've said on many other shows before,
• 25:42
  Speaker 10: people can come in and out of psychosis. So she
• 25:45
  Speaker 10: described we know that she was stressed this day, something
• 25:48
  Speaker 10: stressed her out. We also know that she has a
• 25:51
  Speaker 10: history of a mental illness, So could she have acutely
• 25:55
  Speaker 10: become psychotic because the little girl would not leave her
• 25:58
  Speaker 10: alone and she drowned.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: She was asked in court, as was her lawyer, do
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: you want a mental competency or insanity test?
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: The lawyer and she the mom said no.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: She has no history of depression other than seven years before.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: When she had postpartum.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: There was no hallucination, which is one of your reasons
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: that you cite for killing your child. She had no
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: mental illness. She had never complained of mental illness. She
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: has been observed by the court. No mental illness.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: There was no.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Altruistic reason, which is one of the reasons you mentioned,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: and there was no spousal revenge. To go forward in
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: advance to theory that you are stating acute psychosis, a jury
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: would have to believe that she went into psychosis immediately
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: when her daughter wanted attention, and then was out of
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: that psychosis twenty minutes later, when AMT's arrived Crime Stories
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace.
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: Henderson police get a nine to one one call and
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: arrive to find mom Brandy Elliott, performing CPR on her
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: seven year old daughter along a popular trail. The girl
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: is soaking wet, having been pulled from the water piper.
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: Elliot is taking by ambulance to a local hospital.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: Just before noon, Brandy Elliott reportedly tells her daughter Piper
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: to be quiet as she holds her underwater quote like
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: a large mouthed bass.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: And what about the dad lying in the hospital? The
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: Iraqi war.
• 27:46
  Speaker 8: Vet listen Marine veteran John Elliott meets the love of
• 27:50
  Speaker 8: his life, Brandy in Hindersonville, Tennessee. Within a year, John
• 27:54
  Speaker 8: has proposed and the couple has a big white wedding
• 27:56
  Speaker 8: at Grace Baptist Church. Brandy's a wonderful stepmother to johns
• 28:00
  Speaker 8: and soon after the couple welcomes their own child, Piper.
• 28:03
  Speaker 8: By seven years old, Piper is known for her ability
• 28:05
  Speaker 8: to put a smile on anyone's face. Piper loves to dance,
• 28:09
  Speaker 8: fish with her dad, dress up as Disney princesses, and
• 28:12
  Speaker 8: binge Gordon Ramsey cooking shows. John Elliott was injured during
• 28:16
  Speaker 8: his time with the Marines and stays home with Piper,
• 28:19
  Speaker 8: while Brandy Elliott supports the family with her job at McDonald's.
• 28:22
  Speaker 8: When a complication of his injuries lands John in the ICU,
• 28:26
  Speaker 8: Brandy is left to take care of Piper between shifts.
• 28:29
  Speaker 8: After a week in the hospital, John is stable enough
• 28:32
  Speaker 8: to move out of critical care Piper is so excited
• 28:35
  Speaker 8: to finally visit her dad, she spends all day drawing
• 28:38
  Speaker 8: pictures to decorate his hospital room.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: Take a listen to what he has to say. This
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: is from our friends at WTVF.
• 28:44
  Speaker 7: They came into my room and told me that she'd
• 28:48
  Speaker 7: drown Her Mom's going to jail.
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: I'm proud of the little girl I raised. I'm just
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: sad she's gone.
• 28:58
  Speaker 9: I'm sirking with Hendersonville police after her arrest, Brandy Elliott
• 29:03
  Speaker 9: says she was having a rough day and Piper would
• 29:06
  Speaker 9: not give her what she wanted. Time alone. Elliott says
• 29:08
  Speaker 9: she held Piper under the water quote like a large
• 29:11
  Speaker 9: mouthed bass, until they were bubbles. Elliott claims she then
• 29:15
  Speaker 9: realized what she had done, started CPR and called for.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: Help, joining me in All Star panel.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: But back to doctor Kendall, Crown's chief medical Examiner Arrant County.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: Doctor crowns, I, not just anecdotally, but statistically, have learned
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: that very often when mothers kill their children, it is
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: through drowning.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: Have you observed that, Yes.
• 29:38
  Speaker 6: They have. Over the course of my career, I've seen
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: several instances where mothers have drowned their children. Also drug
• 29:45
  Speaker 6: them and stabbed them as well. But drowning is a
• 29:47
  Speaker 6: fairly common.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: One, you know, doctor kindall Crowns. I've noticed that, and
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: this is allso statistical. I can follow this up with
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: Julie Gates, doctor kindall Crowns. I've noticed that when women
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: commit murder, very often it's a quote soft kill. In
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: other words, there's not stabbing. I mean sometimes there is,
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: but typically there's not. There's not stabbing, there's not shooting.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of poisoning, a lot of drowning, a
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: lot of suffocation, but not like clubbing the victim dead,
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: such as Ted Bundy did in the Coyomega House.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: Have you noticed that as well. I learned this before.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: I observed it when I was reading method and Assessment
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: of homicide and suicide. There is absolutely a statistical correlation
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: between drowning and mothers that kill. I don't understand it.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: I'm not a shrink, but I know it to be true.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: And you're saying you have witnessed that as well.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: It's correct.
• 30:49
  Speaker 6: Usually males have a higher level of brutality when they
• 30:52
  Speaker 6: kill an individual and females don't, so, especially with the
• 30:58
  Speaker 6: individuals where they of their own child. We don't see
• 31:01
  Speaker 6: the extreme examples of violence, although occasionally with individuals with
• 31:07
  Speaker 6: mental illness there will be a high level of mutilation
• 31:10
  Speaker 6: and things of that nature, but typically it's a drowning
• 31:13
  Speaker 6: or poisoning.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: How long would it take for a child to drown for.
• 31:19
  Speaker 6: Anyone, So in this situation with the mom pushing her underwater,
• 31:23
  Speaker 6: child's struggling. So because she's struggling, she's going to use
• 31:27
  Speaker 6: up oxygen quicker, so she may begin her mind will
• 31:32
  Speaker 6: actually become starved of oxygen and will force her to breathe.
• 31:36
  Speaker 6: That could happen after about thirty seconds to at the
• 31:39
  Speaker 6: far outside three minutes. Once your mind forces you to breathe,
• 31:44
  Speaker 6: you inhale all that water in and then you vomit
• 31:47
  Speaker 6: the water back out. You inhale it again, and you
• 31:49
  Speaker 6: pass out in about thirty seconds, and then after the
• 31:53
  Speaker 6: five minute mark you're pretty much brain dead. So you're
• 31:56
  Speaker 6: looking at a total process from start to finish about
• 31:59
  Speaker 6: anywhere from three to five five minutes.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: Doctor Tundel crowns. What would the drowning victim experience during
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: the drowning.
• 32:06
  Speaker 6: Well, they would be conscious, they would be afraid because
• 32:09
  Speaker 6: they're forced underwater, they'd be trying to hold their breath
• 32:13
  Speaker 6: while struggling to get back above the surface to get
• 32:16
  Speaker 6: to air, and then finally their brain is going to
• 32:19
  Speaker 6: force them to breathe in and at that point you're
• 32:22
  Speaker 6: going to inhale all that oxygen and gag and begin
• 32:25
  Speaker 6: vomiting it back out and then go into unconsciousness. So
• 32:28
  Speaker 6: it'd be a lot of fear for about that three
• 32:31
  Speaker 6: to five minute brain.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Three to five minute And what happens to the human
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: brain when they're deprived of oxygen.
• 32:38
  Speaker 6: It basically, when the brain's deprived of oxygen, the brain
• 32:44
  Speaker 6: will want oxygen so will force you to breathe of course,
• 32:47
  Speaker 6: and as it can't get oxygen, it will make you
• 32:49
  Speaker 6: go unconscious.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: Piper's father, John Elliott, a disabled Iraq war veteran, says
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: I will miss my baby girl forever.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Not in the first time a child has been murdered
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: by mom. Of course, she's innocent under our jurisprudence until
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Will a jury by
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: a defense that mommy snapped after she says she was
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: quote fed up and had a quote bad day and
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: held her daughter under the water like a quote large
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: mouth bass that will be up to a jury. And then,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: and only then, if they return a guilty verdict, will
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: she be in fact a killer? It's a technical legal
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: term of art. Will a jury by it? I don't know,
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: but I do know. This is not the first time
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: a child has been drowned at the hands of their
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: own mom. For instance, let's take Esperanza Harding.
• 33:53
  Speaker 14: Esperanza Harding is trying to enjoy a bath when her
• 33:56
  Speaker 14: eighth month old son, Matteo starts crying inconsolably from his
• 33:59
  Speaker 14: play in Harding's hotel room. Tired of his incessant screams,
• 34:04
  Speaker 14: Harting drowns Mateo in her drawn bath, then sends a
• 34:07
  Speaker 14: picture of the baby floating face down to her boyfriend.
• 34:10
  Speaker 14: The boyfriend comes to the hotel room and helps Herding
• 34:13
  Speaker 14: shove Mateo's body in a backpack, then suggests she throw
• 34:16
  Speaker 14: the bag in a dumpster like she's just taking out
• 34:19
  Speaker 14: the trash.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: Wow, did you hear that?
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: Doctor Angie es Bron's a Hearting drowned her child because
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: he quote ruined her bath.
• 34:28
  Speaker 10: Again, Nancy, it can these. First of all, it's different
• 34:34
  Speaker 10: when it happens to an eight month old baby versus
• 34:36
  Speaker 10: a seven year old child. The conditions can be different.
• 34:39
  Speaker 10: This woman could have been suffering from some sort of
• 34:42
  Speaker 10: post part of depression. The baby's under a year old.
• 34:46
  Speaker 10: She could have also become acutely psychotic. She may have
• 34:49
  Speaker 10: not wanted the child. We don't know, right, but these
• 34:54
  Speaker 10: are things that mothers do to their child when they're
• 34:58
  Speaker 10: not well and when they are very stressed. Apparently she
• 35:02
  Speaker 10: was taking a bath to rest. The baby bothered her,
• 35:08
  Speaker 10: we may say pushed her over the edge, but what
• 35:10
  Speaker 10: we do know is she was very stressed.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: Then there is Karina Mustafa. Listen.
• 35:16
  Speaker 14: Karina Mustafa comes out to the front porch where her
• 35:18
  Speaker 14: husband is playing with their toddler, and immediately starts yelling, Dad,
• 35:22
  Speaker 14: let the baby play in a plant he knocked over
• 35:24
  Speaker 14: and the toddler is covered in potting soil. Mustafa scoops
• 35:28
  Speaker 14: up the child and runs to the bathroom, locking the
• 35:30
  Speaker 14: door behind her. When Mustafa's husband manages to open the door,
• 35:34
  Speaker 14: he finds his wife holding their child under the water.
• 35:37
  Speaker 14: Dad performs CPR and the child is stabilized at the hospital.
• 35:41
  Speaker 14: Karina Mustafa charged with aggravated child abuse.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: Well, Doc Dorangie, the baby did it again.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: This time the baby knocked over a potted plant and
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: got money, so the mom.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Just try to kill it. I guess that's postpartum depression.
• 35:57
  Speaker 10: Nancy. I know that you and I have all and
• 36:00
  Speaker 10: disagreed on this, okay, and I think that we always will.
• 36:05
  Speaker 10: And yes, I think that there are evil people in
• 36:08
  Speaker 10: the world, and I do believe that it is often
• 36:11
  Speaker 10: driven by some form of mental illness. Sees these acts
• 36:15
  Speaker 10: that these women perform.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: And then there's the mother of all child killers who
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: kills both of her little boys because she wanted sex.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: Listen, my love.
• 36:29
  Speaker 9: And he's a lady who come on at door, and
• 36:32
  Speaker 9: he's some guy that jump into a red light with
• 36:34
  Speaker 9: her car with her two.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: Kids in it.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: It ain't took off and he got out of call
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: here at Ohio and he's got.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: A Mayo let her call and I don't see Ruth
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: and I.
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: Need to go along, you know, down here and a car.
• 36:47
  Speaker 13: But we need to add we kind of acting up.
• 36:52
  Speaker 12: A magnal protege.
• 36:53
  Speaker 15: What color was it?
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: A burgundy magnal protege.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: We don't get him, going pay him.
• 36:59
  Speaker 15: They got two Susan Smith has been arrested and we'll
• 37:04
  Speaker 15: be charged with two counts of murder in connection with
• 37:09
  Speaker 15: the death of her children, Michael three and Alexander fourteen months.
• 37:14
  Speaker 15: It was a vehicle, a nineteen ninety Masda driven by Smith,
• 37:19
  Speaker 15: was located late Thursday afternoon in Lake John de Long,
• 37:24
  Speaker 15: near Union.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: To Lauren Colin, investigative reporter Lauren Colin, that's how a
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: lot of women get away with murder, because it's very
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: hard to imagine. When I think of my mom, I
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: think about nothing but love and sacrifice. What she did
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: to get us three through and put us through college,
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: and put us through grad school, and to this day,
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: sacrificing herself for us. When you see a woman sitting
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: at the defense council table, you know that the child
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: is dead, you can't help but think of your own
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: mother in your mind. That's how tap mom walked, according
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: to me. But Lauren Conlin, is there any evidence in
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: this case other than postpartum depression that this woman, Brandy
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: Elliott had after her child was born of mental illness.
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: Nancy August nineteen. Brandy Elliott appeared too bad against the
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: wall of her jail cell allegedly and then dive head
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: first from the top bunk to the concrete cell floor. Again,
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: I'm not a doctor, but is that mental illness? It
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: appears that she wanted to harm herself, so we could
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: consider that perhaps.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: Okay, I appreciate your civilian diagnosis of a woman who
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: wants to get out of general population and a woman
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: who has no history at all a mental illness. Now
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: behind bars and kit, could I point out also, Lauren Colin,
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  Speaker 1: while you're talking about that, let's talk about her reaction
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  Speaker 1: when she found out she could get the death penalty.
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  Speaker 2: Take a listen.
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  Speaker 7: At a bond hearing, Brandy Elliott sobs when she is
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  Speaker 7: informed that she could possibly face the death penalty. Elliott
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  Speaker 7: tells the judge she is not currently seen a mental
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  Speaker 7: health professional, but previously obtained medication for postpartum depression when
• 39:19
  Speaker 7: Piper was two. Elliott says she lost it similarly to
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  Speaker 7: what happened this time and could not sleep. Elliott was
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  Speaker 7: treated at TriStar Centennial Medical Center, the same hospital where
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  Speaker 7: Piper is pronounced dead.
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  Speaker 3: Five years later, is the death penalty on the table
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  Speaker 3: for the fed up mom who held her seven year
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  Speaker 3: old daughter's head underwater until she drowned. Piper's family starts
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  Speaker 3: a memorial along a greenway for the little girl and
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  Speaker 3: want to turn the area into Piper's Pathway to honor
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  Speaker 3: her memory.
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  Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds, but now we remember American
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  Speaker 1: hero Marine interdiction Agent Michael Masetta, US Department Homeland Security,
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  Speaker 1: shot and killed in the line of duty. Masetta served
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  Speaker 1: with US Customs and Border Protection over seven years. Survived
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  Speaker 1: by a grieving daughters, parents, and a sister. American hero
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: Marine interdiction Agent michel O Masetta. Nancy Grace signing off
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  Speaker 1: goodbye friend.