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Not All Men But 62 Million Of Them? · Rachel Oates

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Not all men but 62,000,000. Not all men, only 62,000,000 Men
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who visited Online Rape Academy to learn how to abuse women from
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other men. Online Rape Academy exposes men
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seeking to learn abuse tactics Recently the Internet has been
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full of stories of the 62,000,000 men or 62,000,000 men
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who apparently signed up to a rape Academy to learn how to
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drug and rape women, and people are understandably shocked.
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They are really shocking headlines however, and not to
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want to defend awful men, but that isn't actually what's been
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happening. These headlines are a little bit
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sensational and the real horrific facts are being
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overshadowed by these click baity headlines.
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Today I want to correct that. I want to correct the
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misinformation, tell you what's really been happening and what
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you should be worried about and what you shouldn't be worried
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about everyone. So today's video is quite heavy
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and I am going to be discussing an online community which was
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encouraging rape and sexual assault of women.
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This is going to be a very difficult topic so I encourage
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you to use your best judgement before going forward with this
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video and if you need to skip it, please do.
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No, I will not mind at all. Your well-being comes first and
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that's all that matters. The story was first written by
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CNN, who shared messages from men like this.
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And I should record a clip once when I had my last two blank
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pills. My wife doesn't even know that I
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recorded it. They said we can show you the
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messages he sent us. What he says he's doing to his
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wife is a crime. Posing as a user, we found him
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in a private group, 1 of many on the messaging app Telegram.
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At any hour, men from around the world gathered on the Triple Z
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group to swap advice on drugging and then filming the sexual
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assault of their partners while unconscious.
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Other examples of messages included.
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How much are you willing to pay to watch me F my wife while she
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sleeps? The CNN story said the abuse
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shared via video and pictures in this group of nearly 1000 users
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was treated as a commodity. The article went on to read.
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The world was confronted by this form of Internet enabled abuse
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in 2024 during the mass rape and drugging trial of Dominique
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Pellicott and 50 other men and southern France.
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It was on the so-called dating website, in a chat room called
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without her knowledge, that Pellicott was able to connect
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with dozens of other men to instigate the rapes of his then
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wife Giselle. While drugged unconscious by
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him, she was raped over 200 times by 70 men, not all of whom
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could be tracked down by police. The Palicop case briefly shone
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spotlight on this dark corner of the Internet.
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But while Coco, the website involved, was shut down and
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public attention moved elsewhere, this behaviour did
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not disappear with the insinuation, of course.
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It simply moved to another website or several other
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websites. The men still committing these
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crimes are out there, they're just in a different place now.
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This end story uncovered one of those particular places the
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article went on to read. 1 porn site motherless.com is home to
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more than 20,000 videos of so-called sleep content uploaded
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by users with hundreds of thousands of views.
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The website, which had around 62 million visits in February alone
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and whose core audiences in the United States, describes itself
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as a moral free file host where anything legal is hosted
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forever. However, the article goes on to
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point out the legality of some material posted is in serious
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doubt. So-called sleep content is
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categorised using descriptor tags such as hashtag, passed out
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and #icheck. And so this is where the first
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bit of kind of misinformation stemmed from and why it was kind
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of like exaggerated over time and sort of grew out of control.
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Many sites are now reporting this as 62,000,000 men joined a
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rape Academy. But that's not what happened.
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The 62,000,000 site visits is for the entire website, and
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that's 62,000,000 site visits, not 62 million users.
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And so it could be a number of users visiting a number of
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times. It's also like I say the entire
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site, not just this particular problematic section of it.
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So saying that this had 62,000,000 men who were in that
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group is like saying that, you know, YouTube gets X million or
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billion views a day. I post feminist content on
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YouTube. Therefore everyone who visits
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YouTube, they're billions of feminists out there.
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That's not how it works. This particular section of the
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website was one small part of a larger website.
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Just like for example, my channel is just one small part
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of YouTube. I get you know X 100,000 views a
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month, but YouTube gets billions of views a month.
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This website Motherless got 63 million views a month, but this
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particular area only got in the 10s or hundreds of thousands.
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I say only that's still too many and we'll discuss more about
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that in detail. But this is where the
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misinformation stems from. Obviously even if it is 10s or
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hundreds of thousands of views in that particular area, like I
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say that is still too many. That is still disturbing.
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But it's important that we report on the actual facts and
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not blow this out of proportion be like 62,000,000 men when it's
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not. Because misinformation only
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stunt the conversation and stops the important things from
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actually being discussed. We shouldn't be making up
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information of saying 62,000,000 men are into this when they're
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not. What we should be looking at is
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how many views did these individual videos get?
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How many views did this section of the site get and how many
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individual users were there? For example, in the Telegram
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group, which was kind of linked to the site, there were 1000
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members in that group. That's obviously a lot less than
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62,000,000, but it's still 1000 too many, you know?
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But it's important that we're really, really accurate in how
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we discuss this. CNN article went on to say in
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these videos, men film themselves lifting the closed
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eyelids of women to show that they are sleeping or sedated,
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with some eye check videos surpassing 50,000 views inside
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the Middle of sleep community, first reported by German
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Investigative list Isabel Beer and Isabel Stroh.
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I really hope I'm pronouncing her name right.
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Sorry. Members trade advice on how to
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drug their partners on the Triple Z chat group, which a
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Motherless user had linked to and where we first met.
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Oh, how do I pronounce that? I think it's another German
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name, Peter, I guess. Please tell me if I'm
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pronouncing that wrong. I'm useless when it comes to
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like German names and any kind of Eastern European name in
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general. I just, I'm useless.
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I'm so sorry. Yeah.
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So on the triple CE chat group, they do the same.
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CNN is not providing the names and doses of the specific
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medicines the users said they employ, which I think is a
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really good choice. So this is where we get some
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more specific numbers and some real numbers.
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But these aren't the ones being reported on for some reason,
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even having one of these videos with 50,000 views and for the
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mass response of those 50,000 use to not be calling out, to
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not be discussed, to not be reporting these videos is
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terrifying. That means there have been
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probably likely 10s of thousands of people watching this video
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and not seeing anything wrong with it.
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That is a massive, massive problem.
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And that's just one video. It doesn't account for the fact
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there were probably hundreds of this kind of video on the site,
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each with 10s of thousands of views, some with hundreds of
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thousands of views. It's that's what's not OK.
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The article also provided some of the messages that were shared
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in the Telegram group. User one said the to do this to
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my missus for ages. I can get blank name of a drug
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but honestly crap scared of overdose.
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User 2 says always start low you're thinking long game so if
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first time ain't enough up the dose.
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User three said put X amount of millilitres in a milkshake.
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She felt nauseous so gave her a tablet of Imodium was actually
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blank did F her as well but she was not out enough and had no
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more drug on me. It's just, it's repulsive, isn't
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it? I, I can't imagine my partner
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talking about me this way. It's terrifying to think that
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honestly any man you could meet could be doing this.
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It's scary. The article went on to say 1
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modeless user claimed to be running a business selling and
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dispatching sleeping liquids to any address in the world.
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The man who said he was based in Oh, how'd you say that?
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Cuter? I guess a tiny Spanish enclave
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on the North African coast said on his Telegram account that it
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would cost €150, approximately $75.00 for a bottle of liquid
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that he said was tasteless and odourless.
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Your wife won't feel anything and won't remember anything he
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said. And they actually show pictures
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of him, like packaging up this stuff and sending it out.
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Yeah, absolutely insane. So now, again, how this man was
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on the North Coast of Africa and that the original story was
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outed and exposed by German journalists because they found a
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hell of a lot of activity on that site in Germany.
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Many news outlets out there are reporting this as a purely
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American problem, saying, you know, because a lot of users are
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from America. This is an American problem.
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It's an American man thing, but it's not.
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This is very much a global problem affecting women all over
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the world. This is not just affecting
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American women. This is affecting women in
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Europe, in Africa, probably in Australia and Asia as well.
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It's just we shouldn't be downplaying this or pretending
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it's just an American issue when this is a global issue.
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The article also went on to say that some men were making money
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off the abuse of their wives by live streaming the abuse and
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taking requests in exchange for payment, which is just
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disgusting. The article says while the
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platforms vary, inside such groups, video is king.
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Some users advertise live streams showing the abuse of
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drug women in real time for $20 per viewer, with cryptocurrency
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the preferred means of payment. The CNN journalist spoke to one
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guy who was doing this and said how are your streams going
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making any money? And the user said, yeah, it went
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well. That night three guys bought and
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I streamed my unconscious wife to them.
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The CNN report said, did they direct you?
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And the user said, they told me what to do and I did it.
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Obviously they didn't know they were speaking to ACNN reporter,
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but you know, they've got all the receipts for, obviously.
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The article went on. Another user who say was based
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in West Africa, shared a clip from a previous live stream he
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said he'd done to entice us to his next.
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In it, a woman who he said was a sleeping wife could be heard
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snoring as he climbs on top of her.
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Then the clip ends in Poland. The woman and the person they
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were talking to, I guess Peter said was his wife, also appears
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to be unaware of what's happening to her, he said.
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I still have a few photos but it's hard for me to put her to
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sleep. Many of these groups operate
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shielded by the anonymity of the Internet, but they also find a
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sense of community and perverse camaraderie as they normalise
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abuse For months. I really haven't pronounced.
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Let me Google how to pronounce that.
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You know what? I googled the name.
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So apparently it's the Polish version of Peter, but it's
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pronounced like piot piot. I'm so bad it I'm so sorry.
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Please don't mind me if I try and pronounce it as Peter for
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now because I'm from Yorkshire. I'm useless.
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I'm so sorry. Yeah.
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So for months he spoke openly with us and even shared what he
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said was his address, which is interesting.
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And in messages he said two sleeping tablets should be
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enough, plus some drinks, even 1's enough if there's more
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alcohol. The CNN report said.
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Does your wife suspect anything? And their involvement said for
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now I'm hiding everything well, but I have to be careful.
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But when it came to meeting face to face, he resisted.
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We want to confirm he was who he said he was.
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So he travelled to his hometown in Poland.
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CNN found him and his wife at a local restaurant, uncertain how
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he might react and unwilling but her in danger.
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We chose not to confront him, instead reaching out to police
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about our findings, which I think is a pretty good choice to
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make. Peter, Oh my God, I'm useless,
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I'm so sorry. And he's just one actor in a
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vast global network. His wife likely among many
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unaware victims. But some survivors do know.
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And then the article goes on to talk about some survivors who
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have found out they were victims of this and how it's affected
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them. And again, I think it's really
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important that we listen to their stories and understand and
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not just focus on the 62,000,000 men because that's putting the
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perpetrators at the front of this story and not the actual
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survivors who are what matter here.
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They are who matter. When Zoe Wattsland, a husband of
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16 years, had been crushing her son's sleeping medication into
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her tea and raping her while she was passed out, it shot at her
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world, she says. We worry about who's coming
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behind us walking down the street or who's even friending
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us on Facebook. You know, we worry about going
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to our car late at night in a car park, but we don't worry
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about who you lie next to. I didn't realise I had to.
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Her Then Husband's confession came on an otherwise ordinary
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Sunday in 2018 after the people who share four children had
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returned from church. So again, the people doing this
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can be absolutely anyone, even people who seem to be good
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people from the outside, you know, churchgoers, family men,
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can be absolutely anyone. She says he reeled off a list of
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wrongdoings as if it was, you know, a shopping list.
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This one, by the way, is from Devon here in England.
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So again, when I say this is a global problem, I mean this is a
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global problem. He told her the abuse has been
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going on for years. He just sort of said, I've been
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using our son's sleeping medication to put in your last
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cup of tea at night to tie you down, take photographs and rape
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you. You know what shocking that he
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called it rape though, because a lot of these men don't want to
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admit to it. But we'll talk about that in a
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moment. The admission left Watts
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questioning all their intimate moments.
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At the end of a very busy day, I was just grateful I had a cup of
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tea before I went to bed because I was so tired and didn't have
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to make it, she said, adding you don't expect anything other than
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innocence coming from your partner.
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After a serious panic attack, Watts told her sister, Then
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their mother called the police. While she believes pressing
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charges was the right decision at the time, it was agonising.
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A4 year legal process saw her children become targets for
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bullying at school and left her social network all but
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destroyed. I've had people say, yeah, but
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he's your husband or but weren't you await.
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So it's not the same as being taken down an alleyway, is it?
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Except it is. It absolutely is.
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And it in some ways you could argue it's worse because there's
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an extra layer of betrayal from someone you're supposed to trust
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and who's supposed to love you. Her ex-husband is serving an 11
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year sentence for rape, sexual assault by penetration and drug
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doing and I think this is one of the most important things that
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this story highlights and it reminds me of.
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I saw a really gross comment over on my second channel the
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other day that repulsed me so much I blocked the person who
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wrote it because I was just like no, not dealing with this
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nonsense. It's awful.
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She basically said that she blamed a rape victim for being
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raped because she chose to go on a date with her rapist in the
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1st place and she didn't believe it was even really sexual
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assault and because the victim apparently froze up.
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And so I didn't have any bruises on her.
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And she said that if I was ever raped, then you'd know it
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because I'd be fighting back and screaming and I'd have like
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defensive wounds on me. And that's how you know it'd be
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real rape. And I was so disgusted in so
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many ways because 1. You never know how you're
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reacting that situation until you're actually in it.
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And I really hope most people never have to find out how
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they'd react. But until it happens to you, you
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don't know. You absolutely don't know. 2.
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There's no one right way to respond to rape.
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Some people fight back, some people freeze, some people
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phone. For some, it's a mixture of the
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above of and no matter what response you have to it, it
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doesn't invalidate your experience or change whether it
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was rape or not. And three, just because the
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perpetrator was someone you know or someone you agreed to go on a
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date with, or maybe they're already your partner or your
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husband or an ex or anything like that, just or or a friend.
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Just because it's someone you know and previously interacted
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with or maybe even you previously consented to an
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interaction with them, that doesn't mean they can't rape
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you. And if they do, it doesn't mean
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it's your fault. Just looking at the UK stats.
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And please take these numbers with a pinch of salt because we
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do know that rape in general is woefully underreported.
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But according to the reported stats in 2025, for victims who
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experienced rape or assault by penetration, including attempts
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since the age of 16 years, over half that's 54.7% were assaulted
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by a partner or ex partner. And if you want sources for all
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this, I'll leave it down to video description.
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And it's not just rape women have to worry about.
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Statistically, the most dangerous space for a woman to
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exist in is her own home. The United Nations Office of and
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Crime estimates around the world every 11 seconds a woman or girl
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is killed by someone in their own family, usually in their own
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home. In 2021 alone, UN Women reported
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that 81,000 women and girls were killed around the world, with
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over 65% of them being murdered by an intimate partner or other
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family member, usually fathers, brothers and uncles, all men.
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The femicide census found that in 2021 men are killing one
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woman every three days in the UK, with over half of them being
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killed by a partner or former a partner.
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The idea that threat and danger only comes from strangers is
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something that we need to change.
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We need to be aware where the danger actually comes from, who
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the actual threats are. Of course, it's impossible to
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know exactly who is dangerous. Many of the men on these sites,
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like in the sleep section of the Motherless website and then this
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Telegram group, they look and act just like anyone else.
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Their wives and girlfriends wouldn't necessarily know
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anything was wrong, you know, on the whole.
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And if they do suspect something, then abusers are
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often quick to gaslight them and make them feel crazy, make them
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feel like it's their own fault rather than admit to what
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they've done. Listen to this next story from
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the CNN article. In the town of Wigan, in the
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northwest of England, Amanda Stanhope, who too was raped by
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her ex partner, said Giselle Pellicott's strength inspired
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her to speak out. Over a five year period,
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Stanhope said she would often fall asleep without remembering
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how and would wake up to bruises on her body and in different
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clothes with a towel under her without any memory as to why.
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After waking up a few times to her partner violently raping
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her, Stanhope knew something was wrong and asked him to stop.
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Instead, Stanhope said she was gas lit.
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So I know a lot of people will like blame these women, but and
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we'll be like, well, why didn't you know?
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Surely they were clearly, even if people do know and they all
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think they know and they ask questions and they try and get
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it to stop, you'll have situation, situations like this
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where they're gas lit beyond belief, where they're told
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they're the crazy ones, where they're just like, you know,
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they have all their questions and gut feelings pushed back
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again, you know, she says, he would then turn on me and say,
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well, you're on too much medication.
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You must be imagining it. That didn't happen.
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You're mental, You're crazy. So even though I felt 100% sure
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that something had happened, he was trying to change my reality,
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saying that it hadn't happened, even though the physical signs
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were there. So I don't understand how anyone
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can blame these women in this situation.
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The article goes on to sleep. With the support of her brother,
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Stanhope eventually went to the police.
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Her former partner was charged with rape and sexual assault.
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He took his own life before the case ever went to court.
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Sharing her story is part of Stanhope's healing process, but
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the trauma has unequivocally changed her outlook.
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I see everyone as a potential predator.
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Stanhope said, adding It took my innocence for people away.
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Another story for you. Survivor Valentina, a mother of
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two who lives in northern Italy and who asked CNN to not use her
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real name, said she too has a hard time trusting anyone.
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Again, Please note this is a global issue.
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We've now seen cases of this happening in multiple parts of
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Africa, Africa, multiple parts of the UK, across Europe, North
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America. Do you want any more examples of
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how this is a global problem? And But she said, I can't
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conceive of the fact that a woman could be treated like
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slaughterhouse meat because in the end, that's what I was.
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She discovered videos that her husband of 20 years had filmed
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showing him abusing her after he drugged her with alcohol and
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sedatives, she said. I was lucky to find the videos
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because truly it would have been a bit difficult to to believe
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because I had no marks. Valentina doesn't remember the
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abuse, but it left psychological scars, she said.
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No matter how much you try to brush it off, it's always right
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there beside you. The experience you've had.
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It just takes a bed, a camera, a different scent to trigger her.
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The article goes on to say some forms of pornography has have
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long normalised violence against women as entertainment with
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algorithm with algorithms that favour extreme content, further
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pushing exploitative material into the mainstream, experts
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say. And this is something I've
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spoken about a lot in my videos where I talk about this
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normalisation of violence against women in often books,
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but other media as well, this romanticization of rape and
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sexual violence. I do think it's problematic.
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And a lot of people push back against me.
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They're like, yeah, can you see there?
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I'm like, when we normalise sexual violence against women,
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it's going to have a effect on, you know, people as a whole.
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It absolutely contributes to rape culture in general.
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And I'm not going to apologise for trying to push back against
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that, you know? Claire McGlynn, a law professor
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at Britain's Durham University and an expert on violence
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against women and girls, told CNN that the growing presence of
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voyeuristic material on mainstream porn sites glorifies
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abusive behaviours both on and offline.
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It's a problem that many men and many people in society aren't
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taking seriously enough, she said.
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And I completely agree. For users within the online
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sleep porn community, the thrill of the abuse is not only in the
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ACT itself but in the collective dynamics surrounding it, said
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Annabelle Montagna, A psychologist who assessed half
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of the men convicted in the Pellicott trial, including
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Dominique, who organised the crimes.
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She said within these sites there is also the notion of
19:56
almost brotherhood. She added that participants find
19:58
themselves creating bonds that meet and reinforce their
20:01
narcissistic needs. Sandrine Josso, a French
20:04
lawmaker who after being drugged by a former French senator, has
20:07
campaigned to raise awareness about drug.
20:09
Facilitated sexual abuse called the group's schools of violence.
20:13
I would even call them an online rape Academy where every subject
20:17
is taught. There are all the subjects and
20:19
disciplines needed to become a good rapist or sexual predator,
20:22
she said. And as well, discussing this bit
20:23
that I want to correct another bit of misinformation because a
20:26
lot of the articles and coverage out there use this phrase rape
20:30
Academy as a kind of shocking click baity title and suggest
20:33
that this is the name of the group itself or a section of a
20:36
website that men are actively going to like.
20:37
They're actively signing up for rape Academy.
20:40
Like they would take university or one of these other stupid
20:43
manosphere groups or something like that.
20:45
But it's not a thing that men are like looking for.
20:47
They're not like, I'm going to join the rape Academy.
20:49
I want to be part of rape Academy.
20:51
This is a name that a lawmaker has given to it.
20:53
That's kind of, you know, I mean, it's fitting.
20:55
It absolutely is. But she's saying it's like a
20:58
rape Academy. These men aren't choosing to
21:00
join a rape Academy. I think that's a very important
21:03
distinction that we need to make.
21:05
I'm pointing this out not because it makes the men's
21:07
behaviour any better or worse than it would otherwise, but
21:10
just that it's different and it raises a different problem than
21:13
it would if they were signing up for a rape Academy.
21:16
You know what I mean? You know, by using these
21:18
relatively safe sounding terms like sleep and you know, the
21:23
triple Z or I check or something like that, rather than labelling
21:26
it what it is, rape, assault, violence, these men are able to
21:30
detach themselves from what they're doing.
21:32
You know, they're not actually joining a rape Academy.
21:35
They're just part of a sleep group.
21:37
You see what I mean? These these soft terms make it
21:40
sound less serious than it is. You know, these men might be
21:43
thinking to themselves, well, they'd never rape a woman.
21:46
But I mean, if it's your wife and she's asleep and she doesn't
21:50
know, you know, you can do stuff to her.
21:52
But it's not like, like it's a rape, is it?
21:54
Of course it is. But they're justifying it.
21:57
They're distancing themselves. They're detaching themselves.
21:59
They're downplaying the seriousness of what they're
22:01
doing. Again, this is like a massive
22:03
part of exacerbating rape culture in that men detach
22:05
themselves from this and like, well, you know, rape is bad and
22:09
I'd never rape. I'm not a rapist.
22:11
But and that's one of the huge problems when that kind of
22:14
behaviour is so socially acceptable.
22:17
So in the book What We Talk About When We Talk about Rape by
22:20
Sahela Abdulali, who is great. Also, I've mentioned this book
22:23
before. Very, very good.
22:25
She writes, are all men capable of rape?
22:28
In my own life, I cannot accept this.
22:30
Here is what one man said when I asked if he thought he could
22:33
imagine raping someone. For myself, I would say no.
22:35
He said there's a level of empathy that would make it
22:38
impossible for me. I believed him.
22:40
Think about it. There is no reasonable reason to
22:43
rape. You're either doing explicitly
22:45
to cause damage or because you want sex and don't understand or
22:48
care that the other person does not want it.
22:51
And she goes on to talk about the motives of people who do
22:53
rape. Rape often has a twisted value
22:55
component. You value your own needs more
22:57
than your victim. And again, she goes on to tell
23:00
one survivor's story. Audrey, the British young woman
23:02
who was gang raped in Italy, told me that one of her rapists
23:05
said in his police statement that he didn't need to rape to
23:08
get women. He was so naturally attractive
23:10
that women just flocked to him. In his mind, it wasn't even
23:12
rape. She was just lying there,
23:14
clearly fine with it. So what was the problem?
23:16
Audrey even went on to say that the judge in her case sided with
23:19
her rapists. The judge and prosecutor seemed
23:21
to share this perspective to an extent that rape was something
23:24
only real psychos jumping out of bushes did, or losers who
23:27
couldn't get sex any other away. It was not something that good
23:30
looking, well dressed young men needed to resort to.
23:33
I guess I would respond today that rape is not really about
23:35
sexual attraction or having sex in the 1st place.
23:38
And I think this sums up a lot of what is going on with these
23:41
men on these sleep sites and so on.
23:43
It's clearly not just about attraction or sex because, you
23:46
know, these are their wives who they've probably had a pretty
23:49
healthy, normal sex life with before any of this happened, you
23:52
know, and before they knew what was being done to them when they
23:55
were unconscious. These men could have likely had
23:57
these women anytime they wanted with their consent, if that's
24:00
all it was, if it was just about attraction.
24:02
But there was clearly something more happening here, something
24:05
about wanting the control or the power or just wanting to show
24:08
off and perform for other men. It's clear that for a lot of
24:12
these men, what they were doing, they probably didn't see as
24:15
rape. They weren't being violent as
24:17
such. They weren't jumping out of
24:19
bushes at strangers. They weren't stalking women down
24:22
the street and grabbing them, they were in bed with their
24:24
wives, people who'd said yes to them plenty of times before.
24:28
So we couldn't be that bad, right?
24:30
And it's not like these women were crying or fighting back.
24:33
So we couldn't really be rape, you know, if we ignore the fact
24:35
that they literally couldn't because they were drugs.
24:38
This is why as a society having a misunderstanding of what rape
24:42
is and isn't is so damn dangerous.
24:44
Because it allows men like this to have this cognitive
24:47
dissonance and be able to rationalise and justify and make
24:50
exceptions for their own actions, even when we as
24:53
outsiders can see how dangerous and wrong they are.
24:56
These men don't realise the full extent of the damage they're
24:58
doing and the trauma they're causing and how violent their
25:01
actions actually are. Like I said earlier, so many of
25:05
these men probably don't even think of themselves as rapists
25:07
because they don't conform to whatever stereotypical image of
25:10
a rapist they have in their heads.
25:12
Mask wearing, violent, hiding in bushes, targeting strangers and
25:16
so on. But as our feminist author
25:20
Sohailo writes, the uncomfortable truth is that a
25:22
rapist is just a guy. Any guy who rapes or woman or
25:28
non binary person, we need to like acknowledge that as well.
25:32
But you know what I'm saying? The point is you become a rapist
25:35
by raping someone, not because you are this or this or this.
25:40
Like that's all there is to it. And that's exactly what the men
25:43
on this Telegram group and in these videos on the sleep
25:47
portion of the Motherless website we're doing, they were
25:50
raping every person who watched those videos or read those chats
25:53
without pushing back, without fighting back, without doing
25:56
something about it, without reporting the content was
25:59
actively enabling rape. They were absolutely all part of
26:03
the problem. I saw a great little post online
26:06
a while ago which said something like, sure, it's not all men,
26:08
but out of 10 men, one does this, one does this book.
26:11
Blah. And it was really good and made
26:12
sense. And I feel like my own little
26:14
variation of this is out of any 10 men, 1 is a rapist, 2 know
26:19
he's a rapist and don't speak up about it. 2 know what happened,
26:22
but they don't believe that what he did was really rape. 2 hear
26:25
the stories about it, but they don't believe him because you
26:27
know, what about false accusations and other TV read
26:30
the stories and think, yeah, I guess what he did was wrong.
26:32
But they don't actually speak up about it or push back on what
26:34
he's done because, you know, they don't want to rock the
26:36
boat. They don't want to stand out.
26:38
They want to be left out from the group, do they?
26:40
And only one guy has the courage to actually say that guy's a
26:43
rapist and I want nothing to do with him, and I am going to warn
26:46
people about him. And that is the problem with
26:48
rape culture in general. Out of 10 men, only one might be
26:51
a rapist, but eight others are enabling him.
26:54
And only one man is actually safe in that situation.
26:57
And that's the problem. Because though, you know, nine
27:00
of those men will say, hey, I'm a good guy, but they're not, are
27:03
they? If you're enabling A rapist, if
27:04
you're making excuses for him, if you don't push back on what
27:07
he's done, if you don't actually believe what he's done is rape,
27:11
if you make excuses for him, then you are actively part of
27:14
the problem. You are still enabling a rapist
27:17
and I think that is very much part of the problem with this
27:20
website and Telegram group. Only a small percentage of the
27:24
men on those groups and viewing those web pages were actively
27:27
making those videos. But a much larger proportion
27:30
were acting out the same scenarios in real life and
27:32
raping the women in their lives and buying the sleeping tablets
27:36
to, you know, use on their partners, you know, but without
27:40
an audience. And then an even larger
27:42
percentage of that were watching this happen and paying to see it
27:44
and paying to have their fantasies played out on these
27:47
women and encouraging it. And an even larger percentage
27:50
still was silently watching this and not calling it out and not
27:54
reporting the content and not saying hey, don't do this.
27:57
And they are all part of the problem.
27:59
If these videos had 10's and hundreds of thousands of views
28:03
then clearly there were people seeing this and not doing
28:05
anything about it. Where are all the people who
28:08
would see this and say that's wrong?
28:10
You need to stop. Hey motherless, why are you
28:12
hosting this? Just because they weren't the
28:15
ones doing the raping, that doesn't mean they weren't
28:17
enabling the rape. For every person who saw that
28:19
content and didn't do something about it.
28:21
They are part of the problem. They are enabling the rape.
28:23
Remember that despite what the misleading headline said, this
28:26
wasn't actually 62,000,000 men participating in rape and
28:30
learning how to rape. But it was still 10s, if not
28:33
hundreds of thousands of men watching and condoning, staying
28:38
silent and not speaking up. And there were thousands
28:42
actively partaking in the discussions and encouraging
28:45
others to do this, paying to see it done to other people.
28:48
Hundreds of men were still doing it themselves, many of them
28:51
creating content on it and making money off it.
28:53
There were still hundreds of women who were victims and that
28:56
is just too many. It might not have been
29:00
62,000,000, but it was still more than it should be, the CNN
29:04
article went on to say. Meanwhile, the landscape of drug
29:06
facilitated assault is continuing to evolve, with
29:08
perpetrators pivoting to more readily available prescription
29:11
medicines that act quickly and leave little trace in the body
29:14
compared to the date rate drugs of the past, making it harder
29:17
for such cases to make their way to trial.
29:20
AUS based sleep specialist Michael Kramer Boneman told CNN
29:23
it's difficult to know how widespread drug facilitated
29:26
sexual assault is as reliable data is limited across Europe.
29:30
Most criminal justice systems either lack specific monitoring
29:33
systems for drug facilitated sexual assault or do not include
29:37
it as a separate category in officials crime statistics,
29:41
meaning there's no fully comparable Europe wide data set
29:44
on such assaults. And again, that's just a problem
29:46
for Europe. Think about the rest of the
29:48
world. This is a topic where reliable,
29:50
specific data is scarce by design, A World Health
29:53
Organisation spokesperson told CNN, adding that there are no
29:57
accurate estimates of this type of abuse due to how
29:59
underreported it is. And a big part of that is
30:02
because a lot of the victims don't know that it's happening,
30:04
but that doesn't mean they won't be in some way traumatised by
30:07
it. So take for example, the woman
30:09
who thought it was happening to her and her husband told told
30:12
her she was crazy. She was imagining this.
30:14
She still had the trauma from that.
30:16
She still had the psychological issues from that, but she was
30:19
still a victim and hurt by that. And then on top of that, she was
30:23
told that like it wasn't true and there was more trauma rather
30:25
to that because she started to doubt herself and feel like she
30:28
was going crazy. And then because of all this,
30:30
like there was just no proof of what was happening to her
30:32
really. So she had no one else like
30:35
telling her this was happening. She had no like backup or
30:39
support, but she was still a victim.
30:41
It just makes sense. Like, yeah, sorry, I'm rambling
30:44
now. It's quite emotional.
30:45
And the article went on to say, and the peasant from the World
30:49
Health Organisation said many go unreported because victims feel
30:52
embarrassment, guilt or perceived responsibility of it,
30:55
or because they have limited memory of the assault.
30:58
But again, just because it's hard to prove it happened, that
31:00
doesn't mean it didn't happen. That doesn't mean these men
31:03
aren't still rapists, it doesn't mean these victims aren't still
31:07
victims and survivors. The article goes on say in
31:09
England and Wales, the jurisdiction in which survivors
31:12
Watson Stanhope live, 43% of recorded sexual assaults involve
31:15
a partner or ex partner, according to March 2025 data.
31:19
That's probably the same data I quoted earlier, marking a minor
31:22
decrease from 45% five years ago.
31:25
The proportion of victims recorded as having been
31:27
assaulted while unconscious or asleep, however, has risen to
31:30
23% from 21% over the last decade.
31:33
Conviction rates of sexual assault across Europe, as in the
31:35
US, remain low. This comes as no surprise to
31:38
Stanhope. She says she was shocked by the
31:40
initial police response to a video that showed her former
31:43
partner sexually assaulting her while she was unconscious.
31:46
I thought there's evidence. And the police said to me, well,
31:49
we can't use that. That isn't clear evidence
31:51
because it looks like you're pretending to be asleep.
31:53
This is what gets me. You can literally see a person
31:56
being raped. They can say I was raped.
31:59
And often men and sometimes women as well will say, yeah,
32:03
but how do we really know what happened there is like if I said
32:08
to you right now, oh, yeah, and my bike stolen the other day,
32:11
people be like, oh, my God, I'm so sorry, That's awful.
32:14
But if I said as rape the other day, people would be like, well,
32:17
you really can't believe that. Thankfully, neither of those
32:20
happened to me. But my point is when we hear
32:23
people say they were a victim of a crime, we have very different
32:26
responses. We tend to believe some and not
32:28
others. And we need to start thinking
32:30
about why. Why are we so willing to give
32:32
the benefit of the doubt to someone accused of rape but not,
32:35
for example, someone accused of theft or something else?
32:38
The article went on to say police eventually charged
32:40
Stanhope's former partner, but her experience underscores by
32:43
victims of domestic abuse often do not report these crimes.
32:46
During the course of CNN's investigation, the Triple Z
32:50
group was taken off the messaging platform Telegram.
32:52
Telegram didn't respond directly to CNN's questions about the
32:55
Triple Z group, but in a statement to CNN following
32:58
publication of this report, it said that content that
33:01
encourages sexual violence is explicitly forbidden by its
33:04
terms of service and is removed whenever discovered.
33:07
So the question remains, why wasn't it discovered sooner?
33:10
With around 1000 members in that Telegram group, why was there
33:13
not a single one of them with a conscience who thought maybe
33:15
this is wrong, maybe I should report this.
33:18
And this is exactly the culture problem I was talking about
33:20
before. When you can have 1000 people
33:22
all together in one space watching people rape people,
33:26
talking about raping people, encouraging others to rape
33:29
people, and not a single one of them has any bit of guilt which
33:33
makes them take steps to stop it happening, that is a rape
33:36
culture problem. And I know, of course, there's
33:38
the argument of like, well, why would any of them want to report
33:40
it? Because they want to be there.
33:41
And I know I understand that, but the point is it's shocking
33:45
to me that you can find 1000 people and get them together and
33:48
for not one of them to have any kind of crisis of conscience
33:51
about that. Shocking.
33:53
Now, apparently that area of the motherless site has been taken
33:55
down, but they're like, hey, it's not awful.
33:57
Remove we'd known. And there's lots of issues with
34:00
the laws around this kind of content, which means that just
34:03
nothing can really be done about it.
34:05
Like even in countries where this stuff is illegal, often
34:08
these kinds of sites are hosting countries where it's not
34:10
illegal. So even if, for example, you're
34:12
a victim of this in the UK where it's illegal, if it's hosted on
34:15
another site, you can't necessarily get that taken.
34:17
If it's hosted on a site from another country, you can't
34:19
necessarily get it taken down. And there's all kinds of issues
34:22
with this. Oh gosh.
34:24
Anyway, that's where I want to end this video before I get too
34:26
emotional about this because I know it's a lot and I have a lot
34:29
of thoughts and feelings about this.
34:31
And but it's something that I just want to talk about, raise
34:34
awareness about, and also address some of the
34:36
misconceptions and misinformation about this
34:38
because I do find that to be a problem and I think it's
34:41
something that we need to talk about.
34:42
So please let me know your thoughts down in the comments
34:44
below. Please be kind to each other.
34:46
And just know I've had a lot of people recently, like on my Jack
34:49
demo video on this and my second channel all defending him as a
34:53
convicted rapist and saying that he was falsely included.
34:55
I'm like, no, he's a convicted rapist.
34:57
I can call it the convicted rapist, like I absolutely
34:59
believe his victim. Like that's it.
35:01
And anyone who's going to like defend rape and be essentially
35:04
prove rape and be like, no, I just blocked those people Now I
35:08
don't have time for it. There's more important things in
35:10
the world than like pretending to like accept people who are
35:15
pro rape. I'm just I'm done with it.
35:17
None of that. So if you don't leave a comment,
35:19
please be kind, please add to the discussion in a productive,
35:24
helpful way. Don't be like a bit you knew I
35:27
don't believe you. Like stop that, please.
35:30
No, we'll have no victim blame in here.
35:32
We'll have no rape advocacy here as in like, you know, pro rape.
35:36
Well, none of that, none of that.
35:38
But if you want to speak out in support of the survivors, tell
35:41
your own story or experience with this and share your own
35:45
thoughts and feelings on this and add any topics or points of
35:49
discussion that I've not covered, please do.
35:50
I think that's really good and really important.
35:53
But yeah, for now, thank you for watching.
35:55
I'm sorry, I know this was a heavy one, but I appreciate you
35:58
and your time and thank you so much for watching.