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Random Heathen Ramblings: S4, EP07 - Thence Come The Maidens Three ( A discussion of Völuspá , st. 20 w/ special guests Rob and Roger) · Random Heathen Ramblings

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  the topic of the 20th stanza and Beyond the 20th stanza of of the
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  voluspa poem. So, yeah, here we go.
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  You know, been listening to my podcast at least in the last
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  year, recognize his face from the episode, where him and his
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  wife, Heidi were on here. So, hello and welcome back to
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  you. Roger, and then, we've also got
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  a really awesome guest who I've been chatting with here for
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  about the last 10 or 15. 15 minutes offline.
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  This is Rob who is also Affiliated or Associated into
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  So, I'm gonna just say hello and welcome to both of you gentlemen
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  and Rob, if you want to just introduce yourself first, and
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  then we'll go to Roger and welcome to the show.
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  Thanks for joining. Thanks for having us, Jesse.
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  I'm Rob, and I've been Heathen for ever.
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  I Live not very far away from Roger, Heidi.
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  And I've been the Goethe of our Kindred for a couple of years
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  now. Awesome.
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  I got to say real quick before we go on.
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  I and I mentioned this to you before and I hope you don't
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  mind. You've got the best like go the
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  aesthetic going on here, I mean, the long silver hair, the the
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  everything you know very wizardly looking, you know guys
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  I'm so for those that are not watching this.
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  If you're just listening to it try to picture try to picture
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  like Gandalf from from Lord of the Rings, if he got rid of
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  their gear and, you know, tried to like Channel, his inner Hulk
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  Hogan, he's got this like, Uncle Flume into men.
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  Silver long, silver, white, you know, just just great.
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  So yeah, I also have a three-legged cat so a
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  three-legged cat. Yeah, that's in.
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  Is my familiar. Okay, gotcha.
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  And then we got Roger over here. Who's yeah.
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  Just awesome guy. He's done a lot of really neat,
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  liar songs and stuff in your rooms.
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  Don't even group and your you tap into that that that bardic
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  sort of scold energy. Yeah, I'm inspired by that.
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  And and yeah, working all my own things spent a lot of time
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  developing the liar skill and I'm getting ready to work some
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  magic To create a white who is going to help me with poetic
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  inspiration. I'm getting the runic
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  inscriptions ready to do and got a white car.
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  So that's taking a little bit of time here recently recently for
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  me. But yeah, Rob is a great.
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  It's been great help on my path. Teaching me.
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  He's been my main go-to person for the most part you know talk
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  to a few other people but I was generally run through Rob first
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  and we Got through runestone. We founded Twin Rivers Kendra a
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  little over a year ago and been going pretty strong.
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  We've got some luck behind us so hopefully it stays that way,
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  that's great to hear. So, yeah, I was, I was talking
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  to you, mainly Robin, then you joined earlier before we
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  started, you know, recording this, you know, Rob here.
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  He's, he was talking earlier about how he's been Heathen, he
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  said forever, I think around the late 80s.
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  There is right and which is I mentioned this to you before but
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  I wanted to share with everybody.
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  You know, it's awesome for me to share company in this way like
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  visit this virtual company with people who have been doing this
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  for as long as I've been alive because generally speaking the
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  audience that I keep have just been with people that have been
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  doing this for as long as me or for less time as me.
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  So I feel like I'm the youngest one out of All of us here.
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  And so it's an honor for me to be in your guys's company.
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  So, I just want to say thank you.
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  You've been here longer than me, Jesse?
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  Okay. All right, I am honored I am
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  honored to be here. It's, I think a mutual honor for
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  all of us. Write this, in the, in that
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  context. I think we've each done.
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  Things that would carry with it. Deeds, that that would bring us.
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  Us honor. All right, I would like to say
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  that much. So, you know, that honor is
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  something that is is recognized, as through through, through
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  living, through doing through action through Deeds.
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  Exactly. Yeah.
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  And I would say that we are all here.
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  Collectively in. Oh, meeting in an honorable way.
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  So we stuff, we're all hard-working pagans, that's for
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  sure. Hmm.
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  How can crawl drinks it at, right?
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  So Rob, you Actually, the reason why we're all here, you know,
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  you robbed, you had reached out to me through Facebook
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  commenting on last week's, podcast about the altars in
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  Asgard or other altars in Asgard in the kind of the conversation
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  that that, that that topics parts.
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  So if you don't mind I'm going to try to just take the backseat
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  here and and what was it about that particular episode that you
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  wanted to reach out to me about and Sure.
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  Our conversation in well less. Yeah, big flush.
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  So Me, Balu specific and I think can be read a couple different
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  ways read. we can read that first as like, The first part is
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  unmistakable hey Deuce Cassie at all.
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  Either valey the a Seer met with themselves hit to
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  yeah, and See I thought that it was and maybe this was just a
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  misinterpretation from from what I had read, I thought it was
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  like field of Deeds or that we're we're Deeds were done with
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  either of old and maybe again I was just off on something else
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  that I misunderstood so you're saying that evil is it is a
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  compound word, right? Isn't it is a compound, the the
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  vole is pretty obvious. The vole is is Valley or
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  something or feel other day or something, right?
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  Yeah. But the the ID that is is from
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  is from a route ID meaning renewal.
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  Okay. So and this is I think put forth
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  by Yonder fries but I would have to double check on that.
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  But so at any rate, the that's not the problem, then he now we
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  have an issue, okay? Um and if you want, I can share
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  some screen. Okay, yeah, let me, let me, let
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  me, I can pop some stuff up here.
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  Yeah, I'm actually going to stop my side because I'm pulling it
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  from voluspa dot-org. And that's an old Norse to
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  English or English Old Norse or something.
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  Yeah, iteration of it. Maybe you've got something
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  better. Something that's going to be
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  easily comparable, the north. Yeah, yeah, I got is ULM right
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  here. If you guys want to talk about
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  it, bored. Give me a second to get my head
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  mask been wired together. Yeah.
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  For all the folks listening and watching this is this is worth
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  it. There it is.
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  Yeah. He took a severe or ew, there's
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  curve of hoof or cough. Awesome brother.
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  I say like I was telling you guys, before everybody.
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  Listen, I was saying, I was like, I'm gonna let, I'm gonna
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  let you guys that have been doing this that have more
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  experience in reciting. Either Old Norse or old sacs and
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  do the speaking because I feel like I'm I'm the kid on training
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  wheels that just is like fumbling about try.
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  Another West's ass. So yeah, I'll let you guys do
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  the reading of the, the old North stuff.
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  You don't mind. Okay.
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  So The one on the left is codex, Regis gks, 2365 corta o.
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  It is the Older of the two. But that means a lot of nothing.
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  The the spelling of hot brew that are there is just a fender
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  yinsen thing. The other version there is the
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  other copy of the loose but that we have from House book, all
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  right. They are different in a ver in
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  very Sentimental way one is there's air hog or korf potent.
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  Brew, do does not exist in House book.
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  I'll smoke as awful supposed to do.
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  I'll say fresh to do. Ah, now what this verse is
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  saying, in-house, smoked is hit to Stasi at all, either Bailey.
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  Why we've got that apples Coast to do almost fresh to do.
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  They tested their strength, their power awful, they tried
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  Fray stuff everything else. All right, and then it goes on
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  normally off the log through Alex Meade to do Congress kopu
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  October. Good.
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  Do they laid forges cars forges? Dave Smith gold, they shaped
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  tongs and they made tools. So, everything, there's the same
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  now. So don't know.
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  Sounds sorry real quick. It almost sounds like that.
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  That, that secondary source makes it sound like it's a field
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  like that. It's a place of work, not a
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  place of worship. I'm awful.
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  I think awful. Were awful is like Megan, you
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  know, it's not me. It's the, the might the or the.
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  Yeah, yeah. It's that kind of like the
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  spiritual power on a thing you know.
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  So I think that's kind of what they're there.
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  What's going on, at least in maybe the house book rendition
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  of. I think what we're dealing with
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  with voluspa. Is we're dealing with like a
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  voluspa tradition, you know, where there's multiple, multiple
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  different versions of this poem, you know, out there, you know,
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  and I think they're there is something to that kind of like
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  the vision of the Cirrus kind of kind of thing, you know, excuse
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  me. But um, So I think we have like
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  variant versions of this poem that we're getting that we are
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  getting, we're getting. We have the the voluspa that's
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  and codex Regis. We have this Volusia.
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  The snorri seems to be largely influenced by and we have the
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  snorri and we have a Volusia that is House book. you know,
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  and I wouldn't argue that there's probably not more and
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  actually loose pants, which is a, yeah, fragment of a voluspa
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  ask, you know, kind of poem that is not well written but you know
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  and it's very fragmentary I'll see you know so but it aerate,
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  what I was getting at with this is The the Codex Regis version.
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  You know, over here. Yeah, the one that says thetis
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  hood or cough. Yeah, that are horde will close
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  awesome. Brew do this, can be reread a
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  couple different ways. We can read this as air horn is
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  because we're having a problem with are.
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  All right? And you don't see it in this
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  because let me get rid of this thinner, Jansen version.
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  Okay? So it's easier to see this Hold
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  on. So the is, which and win is
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  making the interpretation a little difficult with are in
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  this, this next one, you're going to show Well, it's it'll
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  be easier to just see it. There we go.
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  Okay, so there's a there's there's that there's that are
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  ya. See thinner thinner, Jansen caps
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  in. His addition when he did his he
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  he went out of his way to make the edit text look older than an
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  actual then it kind of is mystically.
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  So he kept like suffixing like articles on Ferb.
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  In verbs to there. He is.
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  Yeah, yeah he he did it on purpose.
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  Goods nyantsen. Also did a addition of the
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  poetic Edda and he did the exact opposite of that.
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  He tried to make the text look more modern Icelandic.
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  So that is what we care like manuscript Nations you're
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  talking about, right right right now we can look at this on the
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  manuscript level to be one you know.
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  But how much is it? How much does it change from?
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  There's hold a cough. How much does that change from
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  that to say there are program? It doesn't it just makes it
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  easier to see it. Okay?
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  Cuz cuz So are we is, is, are we?
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  Are we understanding that is heard or cough means a heard,
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  like a herger, like, an actual, like what we would know and
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  Heathen terms, as being this pile of stones that were
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  constructed as a space to, you know, give gifts or you know,
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  benevolence to the to the Divine, Right?
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  Like a Sacred Space. I think it's possible to read it
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  that way, but I think it's also to read it as Referring back to
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  eat the valley itself. You know and referring to it as
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  either Valley itself is a holy pile of rocks.
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  I see so the The Veil The Veil it's or the the valley itself
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  right? The place itself was its own
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  holy place. It's nothing that the gods build
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  it was just that way already. Alright.
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  Interesting animistic kind of concept, right?
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  Cuz yeah. The other part the other part
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  makes perfect sense to as as a sentence in and of itself, they
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  are hot temperature, do Hoth, they high-tempered however you
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  want to translate Health, you know, I mean, people building
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  whatever. Yeah, yeah.
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  Some sort of structure where ritual was performed.
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  Hmm. You know, we can split hairs on
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  how many people you could get him.
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  Right now or whether you got people in them or not, you know.
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  Yeah. So I think I think that is a
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  possible way of reading. This is that, you know, we're
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  dealing with like hoard pattern and modern Scandinavian, our
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  modern Icelandic. I'm sorry, is referring back to
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  either Valley and and the other part of that is another thought
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  another kind of sent. Yeah, you know, That is a
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  reading of that. We could also read that sentence
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  FEA are horrible, cough, hot imbrue do as they who Temples
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  are I mean, well, huh. Turk Alters, whatever.
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  And temples. Hi, timbered, you know?
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  Yeah, we can read it that way. And that's way many, many
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  translators have traded that. Yeah, that for sense.
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  You know, but I think it's possible that her is referring
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  back to Either way, Lee. So I guess the kind of like
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  sorry go ahead Roger no no I was just going to say like let's
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  sit, you know, about been here about a half hour, we could tie
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  that into 20 because that's what you guys were talking about
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  wanting to do run. Yeah, so I guess my like in
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  summary or you know just trying to maybe get a sense of this is
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  that it's a holy Place, obviously Asgard.
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  It is the realm of the aesir. It is the yard the realm of
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  Asgard it, another compound word in the Old Norse, right us the
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  gods Asgard yard, whatever it is that the realm of the Gods, it
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  is already a holy place. And yet in this holy place, we
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  have examples, protect perhaps, or references to things of a
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  holy connotation, all right? Like there's something here that
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  that points to like, they're not just like it's not skyscrapers,
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  you know what I mean? Like it ain't just, you know,
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  more is it? Or is it like the realm are the
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  respective homes of the Gods, right?
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  Like through theme or like Thor's not through thing but
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  like, You don't sound like the different homes of the Gods,
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  different, right? Places that each God has, like
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  Thor has his place and you know, whatever like balder it,
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  whatever they had, right house, real dancing.
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  And I think that's exactly what's what, what's being
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  referred to in that that particular stanza.
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  So maybe it's not the fact that there are Alters or temples that
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  the gods are sacrificing to something greater than
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  themselves. Ourselves.
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  Our it's just that it's a reference to the fact that here
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  in this place, there are other things going on.
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  Like there's yeah homes that are that exist of the Sacred,
• 27:22
  perhaps, right. And I think, I think we're
• 27:25
  dealing with is like what? Let me get a thought in real
• 27:29
  quick here in talking about eat the bowler, you know, I thought
• 27:38
  to myself. Well, what else happens at eat
• 27:40
  the volar that significant in the lore, if this Is this place
• 27:44
  that has potentially was already holy?
• 27:48
  When the gods were creating everything?
• 27:52
  Then I went and grabbed simek real quick.
• 27:55
  And it says, after the end of the world at Ragnarok eat, the
• 27:58
  bowler is the place where the gods assemble in the new world,
• 28:01
  so that when everything's destroyed, it's like the concept
• 28:06
  of that, which is way. Holy is is still it.
• 28:13
  Cannot be destroyed. You know.
• 28:15
  So it's the inside. Yeah, that's an interesting part
• 28:21
  to add to it. Yeah.
• 28:22
  Thank you. You know.
• 28:25
  Now I kind of think that's what's what there. the next kind
• 28:35
  of like referent to what, you know, might be going on with
• 28:40
  this like altars that they possible, whatever the hell, the
• 28:45
  high-tempered of our, you know, I think the next logical step is
• 28:58
  to go to grimness mall you know. And and and because like what is
• 29:03
  it grima small for through what is it 17?
• 29:10
  16 17 somewhere around about there.
• 29:14
  Where are you goes all into the halls of the Gods?
• 29:19
  I think that I mean I'm not the first first person who is ever
• 29:25
  put forth the idea that the the Halls that are mentioned in
• 29:30
  cream too small. Our the Zodiac, you know.
• 29:36
  Yeah. You know it's like what is I
• 29:43
  mean some of the most like kind of more recent chip and
• 29:47
  everything like that has been done by like Reese's.
• 29:52
  Ha. Greece lessee Garretson mom, the
• 29:57
  Arnie Magnuson and Institute in Reykjavik.
• 30:02
  He is. He's been doing some pioneering
• 30:06
  work and and Sky lower and you know, all that kind of stuff as
• 30:12
  it is kind of like encoded in snoring, you know.
• 30:18
  And he and and and what they're kind of doing is Is the way
• 30:24
  snorri Maps out everything in gylfaginning is is referring to
• 30:35
  like stuff that's going on in the sky, celeb astronomical
• 30:41
  events just you know just the movements of stars and planets
• 30:45
  and not and also like you know, others things.
• 30:49
  It's an and what have ya anyways. is that Humanity has
• 30:53
  told that story, so many ways, it's all Yeah, absolutely.
• 31:00
  It's such a primal thing, you know, and I don't want to get
• 31:03
  too far off track because we were, we were getting some
• 31:05
  traction into into transitioning into the, the 20th stanza of
• 31:09
  Elisa and how it relates to it. But I do just want to add when
• 31:12
  it comes to like, astronomy Sky gazing Sky lower it.
• 31:18
  I think it goes way back to some, some very Primal beliefs
• 31:24
  or, or Primal views on us as a species or humans in general.
• 31:29
  That don't even that don't even necessarily are that they're not
• 31:33
  specific to any sort of culture, right?
• 31:36
  I mean we see you know, that the essence and the value of fire
• 31:41
  and how when when we were as a species, you know, all
• 31:45
  hunter-gatherers, you know, at the end of the day, we would
• 31:48
  huddle around the fire to keep warm to to deter predators and
• 31:54
  we would look up at the sky and we would see all these little
• 31:56
  glowing dots and we would go. What the hell.
• 31:59
  You know, like it was it was fascinating and and maybe
• 32:01
  there's this connection that we that we can place with those
• 32:06
  little glowing dots up in the sky, the stars, the, the
• 32:09
  astronomical bodies. The celestial bodies that we see
• 32:13
  some sort of like, similarities with like, well, here's our
• 32:16
  little like this fire is that glowing equivalent, you know
• 32:21
  what I mean? Like, they're looking down on
• 32:22
  us, we're looking up at them and they see all these little fires
• 32:26
  that are tribes in our little respective groups.
• 32:29
  Tsar are tending to and we're seeing their Fires at they're
• 32:33
  tending to I don't know it's a wild thing to go down another
• 32:37
  rabbit hole on maybe another time anyway well we're about to
• 32:42
  goes out some rabbit holes. I'm feeling so yeah, well I
• 32:48
  think I think before we get too verse 20, I think we need to
• 32:57
  jump to eight first cuz I think it's placement.
• 33:07
  We're going to look at 20 better.
• 33:09
  Look at 19 but yeah because yeah we're yeah let me get, let me
• 33:16
  get some shit out the way because they obviously 19 is,
• 33:21
  you know, because 20 is thence, come to maidens.
• 33:23
  Well, where it tends to do, they come, they come running the
• 33:25
  place and name stands in nineteen is describing the yeah
• 33:30
  for sure. All right.
• 33:36
  So so in verse 8, tefo Dewey Tunis KT, R water War thing, way
• 33:46
  to guess, wanted to order gooley, wounds through your
• 33:49
  chramu Thor, some way are all mock arm York or jotunheim.
• 33:55
  Oh, Okay, so this is the first arrival of the three.
• 34:10
  Our Moyer, the three young girls, And they are going to
• 34:19
  show up several different times. Alright, now the first time they
• 34:25
  show up is here and they like, Put it into the good times, you
• 34:38
  know? The, a sea otter have.
• 34:46
  Made some stuff. You know, they they have some
• 34:54
  Rules to play with. They've got some gold to hang
• 34:57
  out with they they're hanging. You know, they're chill and it's
• 35:03
  good time you know tefl Dewey to me, they're playing games in the
• 35:07
  hall and the hall, you know, everything was great, you know,
• 35:14
  there was no want of gold, you know, until the three Moira come
• 35:23
  Um, and in this case they've come from Cheltenham now, golden
• 35:28
  Hammer. I think we get a little like,
• 35:34
  bogged down in, like these kind of like like images that we see
• 35:42
  and like the books and on the websites and all that other kind
• 35:45
  of stuff where we have, like, some kind of like, you know,
• 35:52
  Monstrous almost like, you know, something different than what
• 35:56
  the gods are aesthetic. To the yolk job.
• 36:01
  But his, yeah, but we get this idea of, like, jotunheim.
• 36:07
  More is like, this kind of, like, You know, evil place, you
• 36:14
  know, repeat this place or you know what, the whatever and and
• 36:19
  I don't think we should probably hang out there too hard.
• 36:25
  I think with the often hey murder were dealing with like in
• 36:31
  this case we're dealing with like Out there, you know, it's
• 36:37
  there from out out there out Beyond amir's eyebrows, you
• 36:43
  know, you're out there somewhere.
• 36:46
  Now, this case they are they're described as a star PSI and I
• 36:53
  think that is the I think that is just meaning that they are
• 36:58
  dangerous and Powerful. Not, Ali.
• 37:06
  Like thurston's, you know, in the way snoring, I'm reading it,
• 37:14
  right. You know, yeah.
• 37:16
  Because I think wasn't, it wasn't, it wasn't really until
• 37:18
  snorri got into involve that that the concept of the, the
• 37:23
  Giants, or the thirst being evil inherently.
• 37:30
  Came into the mix. I mean, they were, they are
• 37:31
  God's. They are of divine construct at
• 37:35
  least to the degree. They just don't have the, I
• 37:38
  think the focus areas of of the aesir, the ACR order, whereas
• 37:43
  the yotan or anti order, there's a it's more chaotic.
• 37:49
  Is that right? Is that is that a fair
• 37:51
  assessment or their my? Well I think we got to worry
• 37:55
  like bossing around like order or chaos as kind of like these
• 38:03
  because really when we think about this when we really roll
• 38:09
  off all the kind of weird stuff um what we can consider as the
• 38:16
  ass m. R.
• 38:22
  Probably. Maybe best understood as a war
• 38:29
  band of jotnar, you know? Hmm.
• 38:35
  Because gon are are just, I mean, they're all of you, you
• 38:39
  know? It just so happens.
• 38:41
  The some of those you understand reciprocity with Humanity
• 38:48
  interred least, or at least reciprocity with with other
• 38:52
  beings other than themselves. Yeah.
• 38:55
  That yotan means eater. Right right?
• 38:59
  Right? Yes.
• 39:00
  Yeah. Yachting mean it means eater.
• 39:05
  It. Giant is a horrible translation.
• 39:08
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 39:08
  It is. You're right.
• 39:10
  You know. But uh but so the but I don't
• 39:15
  really think of them as like Auntie God's the therse are
• 39:20
  those are much like the a sir you are a war band of jotnar.
• 39:26
  So are The Thirst soccer, bitter sorrow though are antagonistic
• 39:32
  towards us or? Well, well us but like
• 39:37
  everything, you know, I mean, they are antagonistic beings,
• 39:43
  you know, and although they're, you know, they can they and
• 39:49
  their kin and friend live fine and their Permanent.
• 39:56
  We cannot so you know, I mean, we have that's that's an issue.
• 40:04
  So at any rate, these these these powerful beings, these
• 40:12
  three female powerful beings come and like, Get.
• 40:25
  The ask your off their asses. Hmm, you know, to not get too
• 40:31
  pointy, but, but because it even says in the following verse
• 40:35
  first, I think nine Thal gang. Good Reagan.
• 40:39
  All rocks Tola again, Halo God. That's gatosk, then all the
• 40:44
  great. Holy counselors Reagan is a
• 40:48
  weird word went to their Doom seeds, rocks.
• 40:52
  Toula the Great holy Gods can hold inhale of God and debated
• 41:01
  about about that amongst themselves, you know, then they
• 41:08
  contacted dwarves. All right.
• 41:13
  Better skill bead when Erica wrote from skepta.
• 41:17
  Orb Remus blody all core blah blah lines legum You know, who
• 41:28
  should have the dwarves, the people of the dwarves give form?
• 41:32
  Yeah. Um, out of the bat of brims
• 41:36
  blood and out of blue ones legs, you know.
• 41:40
  So so it's like now that now know, so it's like they've got
• 41:44
  all these things, they had all these tools write they they made
• 41:47
  all these things and now they're playing.
• 41:48
  And then here come these these powerful female Forces that that
• 41:55
  are like now go to work. God damn it right?
• 41:58
  Like playing my name's. I think that that's that that's
• 42:02
  the Norms that those muy are, are the Norms.
• 42:07
  That's what I think. I think, I think that's what I
• 42:09
  think. That is a good enough word for
• 42:13
  them. I think there's a lot of words
• 42:17
  in Old Norse that kind of like refer to these beings.
• 42:25
  Awesome. Yeah, I think is also a word
• 42:27
  kind of refers to these beings as well as I'll cue, you have
• 42:33
  got but not in all instances. Sometimes the valkyria or are
• 42:41
  those kind of like Battlefield, you know, things of Odin and all
• 42:48
  that other kind of, you know, do you think, do you think that I'm
• 42:53
  I get this word right. Get your are the same as that as
• 42:59
  well. Oh, I don't know laughter.
• 43:02
  I have to look a little bit deeper into that.
• 43:05
  That's interesting. It's know.
• 43:08
  What is that? What is that?
• 43:09
  Think you're referring to a female?
• 43:15
  The Jets giant Tessa's is would be geek.
• 43:19
  You're right right Robert. Yeah yeah.
• 43:23
  So so so so like what what Odin faces like good loathe like that
• 43:29
  would want potentially gerotor. So freres lover that one.
• 43:36
  Yeah, yeah, yeah like I'm like, I don't know.
• 43:48
  Is described as being a Giger, she's described.
• 43:52
  I think his being just a just The daughter of certain you know
• 43:58
  and and he's described as being a yacht you know how quiet.
• 44:04
  See ya, you're more familiar with what these beings are
• 44:07
  actually called in this language.
• 44:10
  But you know even take like the maidens of leafy of berg like
• 44:16
  the healing maidens of leafy of bird.
• 44:19
  You know, they're giant test is I think is what they're called
• 44:23
  in that Houma, filmin, small Well if I'm not mistaken but you
• 44:28
  know, are they kind of you know, with this year, Valkyries, norns
• 44:35
  there, and giantesses even in some, some cases their starts to
• 44:40
  become a thin line of demarcation.
• 44:43
  Yeah, I've heard that there's or I've heard some people make the
• 44:46
  argument that, you know, there are more than just the three
• 44:50
  Norms. There is, there are more than
• 44:51
  just food better than the in screw.
• 44:54
  Norns could be like a A generalized term of like, you
• 44:57
  say, DC, R Vino ancestral. Well, I think hours.
• 45:06
  I don't don't necessarily think that the loose but 20 I know I'm
• 45:15
  jumping kind of a little bit ahead of myself here but I don't
• 45:19
  think the loose but 20 is giving us the names of the Nords.
• 45:25
  Like we think it is. Yeah it's a fair that's a fair
• 45:27
  assessment. So can we can we can we look at
• 45:30
  that stanza real quick Rob because that's Kind of a subject
• 45:36
  matter that this comes from. And I think that would probably
• 45:40
  be a good place to land momentarily because you're
• 45:45
  right. It doesn't, it doesn't actually
• 45:47
  say nor nor knee or Norms or anything like that.
• 45:50
  Right. Right.
• 45:52
  It does. Yeah, it does not just as dense
• 45:55
  come the maidens. It's they didn't Coleman media.
• 45:59
  Yeah, you'll say it better than I could hose and and it's those.
• 46:08
  It's implied, maybe again, you know, we, yeah, we had him in
• 46:13
  verse 9, you know? And, and now we have them again
• 46:17
  in verse 20. This time.
• 46:22
  They're not Teresa, you know, they're not destructive now,
• 46:29
  they're very wise marks with Donny, you know.
• 46:33
  So the odd then combine more harmonics with tiny three are
• 46:37
  orthogonal sassy Heirloom Foley stander.
• 46:45
  Now House book has that a little bit different.
• 46:47
  Hawks book has instead of the word sap, which means see, it
• 46:54
  has the word Saul, which means Hall, which makes I don't know
• 47:02
  if it makes more sense, but it does make different sense.
• 47:09
  But, like so far in this, we've got from there.
• 47:14
  Come the those maidens. Those three maidens, three
• 47:18
  honored Moya are very wise, Pirates, would time be out of
• 47:25
  that sea or fame sack, which stands under the tree.
• 47:32
  Are owned solely Stander. Now ordered a to Aina, ultra
• 47:40
  rare than the Scarab skeevy or skinny score in III, do their
• 47:47
  log log, do their lift core, other 10, lakhs a.
• 47:55
  So the usually that is Sidered to be like, herbs hate to Aina.
• 48:05
  All that are aware that he Earth.
• 48:08
  One is called ordered, another is called Bear Down D, and then
• 48:14
  schooled the Third, I would assume I'm assuming, but I'll go
• 48:23
  ahead and go into it just because somebody probably
• 48:26
  doesn't the, the names order and where the knee are cognate to
• 48:37
  one another. They are they, they are they
• 48:40
  stem from the same verb there, the in Old Norse.
• 48:48
  And That is spelled. Yeah, that verb.
• 48:59
  All right. So so that verb means to become
• 49:08
  You know, and write the things that are happening right there.
• 49:13
  What is becoming like, what is happening in the same time,
• 49:16
  right? What's going on?
• 49:17
  What's Happening, you know, ordered is built from the past
• 49:22
  participle of that verb. Meaning her name means what has
• 49:27
  become like, what's already happened, essentially?
• 49:32
  What has already happened? What is turned?
• 49:35
  What has come into existence? distance already, maybe better
• 49:40
  than D is the present participle of the same verb and her name
• 49:45
  means what is becoming And then schooled is from an entirely
• 49:54
  different verb, which is this weird class of verbs.
• 49:59
  You called Model axillary, sand there, the verb that's cooled.
• 50:05
  Its name comes from his school. Ooh, which means should or must
• 50:09
  or ought to or something like that.
• 50:11
  But it implies obligation. and so, the the In so before we hop,
• 50:28
  they're all right. So In.
• 50:37
  And and, and, and the, the the other other verse their wounds
• 50:43
  three on our combo or 3D, ah, scattered all that.
• 50:50
  Alright. So yeah, the, the last part of
• 50:53
  that or the last line. So after after the do aggregate,
• 50:57
  all right? And and a whole bunch more
• 51:04
  things are made in throughout the cosmos, you know?
• 51:15
  The scale of this is a little difficult, you know?
• 51:19
  So, In the process of like all the shaping, the door, the
• 51:28
  dwarves, do they put together a bunch of living stuff?
• 51:35
  You know, the Gods? Come.
• 51:41
  I don't know, inspecting the work, you know.
• 51:46
  Okay kind of thing. I mean they subcontinent they
• 51:51
  made some stuff. They sat back and chilled There
• 52:00
  and they hired the doors as subcontractors.
• 52:04
  It does, it feels like they're the GCSE and the right there.
• 52:07
  There, there, there, there investment, you know, people.
• 52:15
  I'm came in and kind of kicked him in the ass and they
• 52:18
  subcontracted out to dwarves, and they got a whole bunch of
• 52:21
  stuff made, all right. Then they're into, you know,
• 52:25
  coming around and inspect I'm their handiwork and they find us
• 52:32
  whatever Oscar NAMBLA are here. It doesn't say.
• 52:37
  You know, snorri says, you know, implies that there there
• 52:47
  Driftwood that's found on the beach, you know?
• 52:52
  But but that's not actually found in voluspa itself.
• 52:56
  Yeah. Just ash and Elm Ryan, you know,
• 53:00
  and and difficulty with emblem, you know, emblems name could not
• 53:05
  absolute, I mean, well and I actually think that's the case,
• 53:08
  it doesn't mean Elm at all. But rather mean is is related to
• 53:14
  the Greek word, Amba loss, meaning a thick Woody Vine.
• 53:20
  Um you know, and that's where and that's where the be helped
• 53:23
  from. And the reason right that's,
• 53:27
  that's the the Problem. If you've ever heard about that,
• 53:33
  where there's like that issue with like embolus name and
• 53:38
  making me either Elm or it can mean Vine.
• 53:43
  And that's a really interesting point because not that I'm the
• 53:49
  greatest one to recall. But like, where else do we see
• 53:52
  references to Elm trees in lure? Right?
• 53:56
  Right. I don't know.
• 53:58
  The ash is obvious because it's You know?
• 54:00
  I mean there's the yggdrasil but anyway, but they, but at any
• 54:06
  rate there, they find like, whatever whatever.
• 54:13
  Oscar On Em blow work, you know, they're devoid of anything, then
• 54:19
  they got it did. Well, I don't think they're
• 54:21
  devoid of anything. I think they're they're, they're
• 54:25
  missing certain key components, you know, shell is there, right?
• 54:31
  The shell is there, you know? And then the god, they give them
• 54:38
  the gifts, you know? And, and, and all that.
• 54:43
  We know this story. Yeah, and those are very
• 54:48
  specific gifts to give Oscar NAMBLA The power to control
• 55:00
  their or law. Because I think it's all about,
• 55:05
  you know, it's all about that. Those layers that you're going
• 55:10
  to lay down everything, lays those layers, but not everything
• 55:18
  has willful ability to lay specific types of Layers, you
• 55:28
  know. So they are they they give the
• 55:37
  gifts and all that other stuff, all right?
• 55:40
  Then in verse 19, we usable have that for a given to us as being
• 55:56
  A. A reference to the name of the
• 56:03
  world. Yggdrasil.
• 56:05
  Right, right, right. So not surprisingly, I disagree.
• 56:16
  Oh wow. I don't think it.
• 56:19
  I don't think it. I don't think that's what it's
• 56:22
  saying. I don't think the ask the Oscar
• 56:29
  there. I think the Oscar there is the
• 56:32
  same Oscar in the previous verse or the two verses before, I'm
• 56:37
  sorry. Yeah, you know, cause is Ash is
• 56:41
  not right, you know, because I know Ash to stand, you know, I
• 56:46
  know she is saying the the vote. And she is saying, I know asked
• 56:54
  to stand right now. Igor still is a weird-ass word.
• 57:02
  Yeah, it is and horse. All right.
• 57:07
  Um and it is often translated as somewhat rightly as being like
• 57:19
  Terror steed. You know, something along those
• 57:23
  lines because the Rossi lose like this poetic word.
• 57:28
  That means like horse. Thus saith, Zoe, gotta and Iggy
• 57:37
  is a known name of Odin. Eager.
• 57:45
  Yeah, which which comes from the gutter meaning Terror, you know,
• 57:50
  brighteners. Or some isn't isn't one of his
• 57:52
  name's or Kennings as like the writer of the tree or because he
• 57:56
  hung from the tree, right? Yeah, you know, so, so the the
• 58:05
  throstle part, the reason drossel means horse poetically
• 58:11
  is because it's based on a root that means to support, you know.
• 58:16
  So it's the thing that supports or holds up Something, you know,
• 58:22
  the tree which is a kidding for a man, right?
• 58:26
  Yeah, right. And how many places are, you
• 58:31
  know, men referred to by trees, you know?
• 58:34
  In Kennings, I mean, everywhere, every poem, you know, so not
• 58:42
  uncommon at all right. So we're dealing with like, I
• 58:47
  think in this This name this name even though it should be
• 58:55
  extra seal, you know, there should be an ass in there.
• 59:01
  It is, I think alluding to it's referring to Oscar as being the
• 59:10
  support of Terror, you know. I don't think it's she saying
• 59:15
  anything good about us, you know?
• 59:18
  Honestly, imagine that. Don't think that the vulva is
• 59:21
  actually saying anything nice about us, you know, you know,
• 59:28
  she does call us or at least him.
• 59:33
  Tall, Tree har mods. Folder and now, we te Our.
• 59:48
  Is. Strange.
• 59:52
  All right. Now, our is mud or clay or that
• 59:57
  and I think that is kind of like referring to these kind of like
• 1:00:00
  layers of her law, right? In a metaphorical sense.
• 1:00:07
  Quit Twitter, right? Right is well, it is cognate to
• 1:00:13
  our Modern English word white. And but at this point in time,
• 1:00:20
  it doesn't really mean like the color white.
• 1:00:24
  Like we think of it it's more referring to things that are
• 1:00:28
  like. Right.
• 1:00:30
  Right. Yeah.
• 1:00:31
  Kind of like, how famed all was was was mentioned or as being
• 1:00:36
  like wheat. Whatever he was like the
• 1:00:37
  brightest of me, Ross? Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
• 1:00:41
  You know, it's so very more there than right.
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  Right. So yes the same word.
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  So so he is sprinkled with these like, with this shining like
• 1:00:53
  layers, you know, the ability to lay down this kind of stuff.
• 1:00:57
  All right, I thought I'd come home, a dog bar.
• 1:01:03
  There's a dollar fall out. There comes the Dale, the dues
• 1:01:07
  that fall in The Dales. I think that is probably a
• 1:01:11
  reference to blood and bloodshed and battle be honest.
• 1:01:18
  So I Kennings basically is what we're trying here.
• 1:01:21
  Cannings absolutes in the Dale is blood on the battlefield.
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  Perhaps that's certainly can be right?
• 1:01:28
  And then stand there at ether or grin is our burner, easy stands,
• 1:01:34
  Evergreen over the spring of What has turned what has come
• 1:01:39
  into being? And I'm gonna Brunner for those
• 1:01:45
  who don't really kind of know that about Bruner is that kind
• 1:01:49
  of like It's a spring head. Well, it's a well-built over
• 1:01:55
  like a spring head where there's moving water through it.
• 1:01:59
  It's not one that you did not stagnant.
• 1:02:01
  Yeah, it's not a stagnant. Well it's a moving water, so
• 1:02:06
  that's kind of a visual sort of. It says, just symbolism layered
• 1:02:10
  upon symbolism. Yeah, layers of symbolism.
• 1:02:15
  You know, so so, in 19, Are our predecessor are doing.
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  Stuff. They're blessed in their work,
• 1:02:44
  their sprinkled with white mud y-wing is technical with mud
• 1:02:49
  there, but, you know, but you know, might be did to kind of
• 1:03:01
  the wrong things necessarily, I don't know, you know, gets a
• 1:03:07
  little technical there, but, but it it right.
• 1:03:11
  The, the more yard return Don, come Oya remarks from time T 3
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  are or same sap Solis. Tender from the see the stands
• 1:03:23
  under the tree. Now, they are giving Gifts to
• 1:03:31
  us. All right, the goddesses are
• 1:03:35
  giving gifts. The moyer are giving its, you
• 1:03:38
  know, the one, the first gift that they give us is called
• 1:03:43
  earned and the other bhadra is called wear them, right?
• 1:03:52
  This I think is totally related connected to practice the spa
• 1:04:00
  and divination and all that other kind of stuff in there.
• 1:04:03
  This is how to see how Actions. Reverberant.
• 1:04:13
  You know what what what Well, yeah, I mean how it, what?
• 1:04:21
  Kind of how things are reverberated.
• 1:04:24
  Yeah, that is, that is fascinating interpretation.
• 1:04:31
  Yeah, Nami. Keep going because I've got it,
• 1:04:33
  I've got something that's brewing in my mind that I want
• 1:04:36
  to say. But I want to wait for you to
• 1:04:37
  finish the rest of the stands up before I say it right on.
• 1:04:41
  All right. So they scored on on thin,
• 1:04:46
  strips worried skidder. Score, ruski D and then schooled
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  is obligation. All right.
• 1:04:58
  It's it's one thing to like do a bunch of spa and get a whole
• 1:05:05
  bunch of like, Feeling good e information that makes you like,
• 1:05:11
  I don't know. A happy Heathen, right?
• 1:05:16
  But schooled says, you need to do that, you need to, you need
• 1:05:24
  to enact that in the world, you need to make those things app.
• 1:05:30
  You know, their long log. Do they laid down the laws?
• 1:05:34
  They chose lies. Fair cool relief.
• 1:05:40
  For the son of this, with the sons of men, it's kind of that's
• 1:05:44
  I think it's kind of a with because it's a, it's a use of
• 1:05:50
  the dative, they're all they're born them, you know.
• 1:05:55
  But I think it's a I think they did this in like conjunction.
• 1:06:01
  Yeah. You know with things and then
• 1:06:07
  the log sega's is like they spoke the ancient, you know,
• 1:06:15
  they said the ancient Light layers.
• 1:06:21
  So I get hard. Yeah, it's got, It's kind of
• 1:06:24
  hard to get like the you, like Modern English right?
• 1:06:29
  Weird. I've heard people try to say,
• 1:06:32
  oh, it's just the Norse equivalent to fate and I'm like,
• 1:06:35
  hmm. Yeah, it's not so much but those
• 1:06:39
  are people that that are largely.
• 1:06:41
  I don't think really understand what the word state.
• 1:06:43
  So so here's where I was just. Here's what I was trying to.
• 1:06:47
  Like here's the thing that was like Mullen Around in my brain,
• 1:06:49
  as you were talking about this, we are the Shapers of weird.
• 1:06:56
  We are the ones that Define. You want to call it destiny?
• 1:07:01
  Fate whatever light. Because again, it's hard to
• 1:07:03
  equivalent these words into a modern brain.
• 1:07:07
  I into a modern thing, but it's like we're the ones that are
• 1:07:09
  shaping it. It's there's a set beginning.
• 1:07:12
  There's a set ending were born and we die.
• 1:07:14
  That's it's the it's the start point in the end point.
• 1:07:18
  All of this shit in the begin. In the in the middle we're
• 1:07:22
  shaping that we are the Shapers of weird is is what I was
• 1:07:26
  alluding to it as you were talking about like and what?
• 1:07:29
  You're saying. Really kind of reaffirms that in
• 1:07:34
  my mind. It's like we have that power.
• 1:07:36
  We were given that power through this process as it were.
• 1:07:42
  It's it was laid down. In the creation myth for our
• 1:07:49
  primordial cells to have this power to shape life, to shape
• 1:07:54
  existence to shape our own and the weird of others.
• 1:07:58
  I like the everybody that we that we interact with that we
• 1:08:02
  tie, you know, interaction that who, how we have interactions
• 1:08:07
  with and all that we shape it. Yeah.
• 1:08:11
  All right. And I think that's why we get
• 1:08:12
  those kind of like stuff with Havel mall where we get those.
• 1:08:16
  And of like, you know, return gift for gift and you know
• 1:08:20
  treachery for treachery and blessings and all that other
• 1:08:23
  kind of shit, you know, and live, huh?
• 1:08:28
  I was gonna say, if you take your interpretation there that
• 1:08:32
  like likes Paul or divination, or the ability to kind of see
• 1:08:39
  some of these strands in some type of magical way.
• 1:08:43
  The reason that that is is such Such okay.
• 1:08:47
  So with that gift and being able to do that in that a to be born
• 1:08:52
  to death and then we are shaping.
• 1:08:55
  This weird what you have is you have a debt to that comes with
• 1:09:03
  that, with the ability to be able to see that take place and
• 1:09:08
  work on these abilities, there's a debt to be paid.
• 1:09:13
  Hmm. The reciprocity sorrow that you
• 1:09:20
  would carry with it. Well, I'm it, right?
• 1:09:24
  I mean, well, I think there is like, you know, I think there's
• 1:09:28
  like a heavy thing to carry in those kind of like sorts of
• 1:09:33
  things I think that's why I like, we have that kind of stuff
• 1:09:36
  and have a mall where, where there's like, you know, better
• 1:09:40
  oppa that and say, oh bloated, you know, it's better not to ask
• 1:09:44
  Sanjeev over. Sacrifice, you know because ever
• 1:09:48
  does a gift look for gay noise, their skills, you know, better
• 1:09:53
  that whole sentence a old so it better unsent than over
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  sacrificed. Again, you know, and and, and
• 1:10:01
  thunder. And, and the, in the verse even
• 1:10:03
  says, small corner of racist, thus, this is stuff that owes
• 1:10:08
  amazed, you know, so yeah. I mean, there is that It is, it
• 1:10:17
  is a heavy like kind of contract sort of thing.
• 1:10:21
  I think that's what kind of verb blow to her.
• 1:10:24
  Come as might be getting a little off-topic here, but but
• 1:10:27
  that's what I think that the verb bilotta is probably
• 1:10:30
  referring to why it's a different verb.
• 1:10:34
  That's Lola, but they're both means sacrifice, you know, it's
• 1:10:41
  clearly two different things. So I think what's going on in?
• 1:10:45
  In with bloating is. Like fulfilling your eye on your
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  part of the contract, you know, you, you you go ahead, I'll say,
• 1:11:02
  could it, could it be that blow to has the connection to like
• 1:11:07
  you're saying, the fulfilling your part there is that that
• 1:11:10
  blood is needed. There is a blood connection.
• 1:11:13
  There, there's something of a tangible connection within
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  ourselves. That is required for that.
• 1:11:19
  Part of the The sacrifice. Well, I don't think I don't
• 1:11:25
  think we need to life associate blow to and blood necessarily
• 1:11:32
  the third blow to. We know that, right?
• 1:11:34
  We know that bloat was done with blood but blow to his is its own
• 1:11:38
  thing is what you're saying. Well, Well, okay, so where do we
• 1:11:46
  know that bloat was done with blood?
• 1:11:52
  okay, so maybe then I, you know, so okay to answer that, I would
• 1:11:56
  say that there's Was it is it in the hamstring ler Saga?
• 1:12:06
  That that that word particularly bloat is is mentioned that that
• 1:12:10
  bloat was done at like, say you'll write like bloat was was
• 1:12:15
  done and that the blood was sprinkled.
• 1:12:17
  I don't look, I know that that hamstring lasogga is right at a
• 1:12:21
  certain period of time and you know, we're looking at the the,
• 1:12:27
  the Christianity influences of things.
• 1:12:30
  So maybe there's there's Some bias to that.
• 1:12:32
  But my understanding was that bloat requires blood, animal
• 1:12:37
  blood, not human blood per se necessarily, but I mean, right.
• 1:12:40
  See, we're going off into some other things too.
• 1:12:44
  I think, I think this is where I think this is where fruition,
• 1:12:53
  Got it wrong. But I think they, but I'd, but
• 1:12:57
  by the time they were writing the sagas, I don't think they
• 1:13:00
  were purposely getting it wrong. I think it was just, they just
• 1:13:04
  didn't know what that word really implied anymore.
• 1:13:09
  You know, they knew they had like stories in their families.
• 1:13:14
  We're like they're, you know, great, great grand grandfather,
• 1:13:19
  something like that when he arrived at Iceland.
• 1:13:22
  You know started like sacrificing or well started
• 1:13:25
  doing blow te again, you know, or did blow te and he was a
• 1:13:30
  great blow to my father or something.
• 1:13:32
  Okay, that's one. So like when the Saga says
• 1:13:35
  so-and-so and he was a great sacrifice, ER that's going to
• 1:13:38
  say, you know, all calmed water broke.
• 1:13:45
  Mother, right? Something like that. but, you
• 1:13:50
  know, so right, so he's there there Day there by the time.
• 1:13:58
  They're right in Hawkins Saga and go the they don't they don't
• 1:14:01
  know this stuff anymore. I mean is you know I mean I
• 1:14:05
  don't know the Heathen stuff anymore or at least why.
• 1:14:10
  So at any rate blow te Is it can involved blood?
• 1:14:22
  It's here. Here's the thing, it's in halawa
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  mall. It's coupled with with bidhya.
• 1:14:31
  All right, which is to to ask or something along those lines.
• 1:14:36
  So what you're doing is you're going to the gods and you're
• 1:14:39
  asking for something, whatever, whatever that is, right.
• 1:14:46
  And in you say, as part of their the thing, I will give you I
• 1:14:56
  will give you three goats. You know if my crops do well,
• 1:15:06
  you know what the hell ever? All right my crops do well.
• 1:15:11
  All right I give my three goats that's bloat.
• 1:15:15
  Rhoda all right it can also be I'm going to you know, I'll give
• 1:15:24
  you I'll, I'll raise a statue, you know, I'll raise a god pole,
• 1:15:31
  you know, to you in honor. If you, you know, if you grant
• 1:15:36
  me this, this You know, wheel bun, whatever, you know.
• 1:15:43
  So there You know, and and and then likewise you get that wheel
• 1:15:49
  or bun or whatever it is. So you erect the god pole you
• 1:15:54
  know and you and you put some extra oomph into it.
• 1:15:57
  High energy resources but not you know what all the time.
• 1:16:02
  But uh yeah. You're not you're not you're not
• 1:16:04
  going to talk. Make a god pole.
• 1:16:07
  That's this big. You're going to make a god pole
• 1:16:09
  that's taller than your fucking house.
• 1:16:11
  You know. Punish it.
• 1:16:13
  You know. Yeah.
• 1:16:14
  So I think that's I think What we're dealing with with like
• 1:16:19
  bloater as far as a practice, it's the fulfilling of the
• 1:16:25
  contract that you entered into, with the gods, right?
• 1:16:29
  Whatever. You know.
• 1:16:31
  Because a lot of these people when we look at like Nolan AMA
• 1:16:34
  book and stuff like that, where we get those stories of like,
• 1:16:38
  you know Uncle ain't our who is the great bloat mother kind of
• 1:16:42
  thing, right? All these are our guys Eyes and
• 1:16:46
  families who just traveled from Norway.
• 1:16:51
  You know, left three things that they knew behind and settled in
• 1:16:57
  a new land, you know? They've made it across the North
• 1:17:01
  Sea alive. Yeah.
• 1:17:04
  Yeah, they offered sacrifice when they got to land.
• 1:17:09
  Right? Well, I know I think this would
• 1:17:12
  be a great topic maybe for this for the three of us or maybe
• 1:17:15
  more to get together. Just to talk about this very
• 1:17:17
  thing because I've done, I've done enough content about, you
• 1:17:20
  know, the difference of bloat or or sacrificing in the context of
• 1:17:26
  bloat, which was at the time, I understood to be blood, must be
• 1:17:30
  present because of various Source material.
• 1:17:33
  That mentions, that that The Huger was Bloody or that if you
• 1:17:36
  know, the people were sprinkled with blood by the this thing
• 1:17:39
  that of the other verses, you know, things of like, let's say,
• 1:17:44
  for instance, the account of even Fudd Lon with the Swedish
• 1:17:51
  ruse, where it doesn't mention that blood was was sacrificed
• 1:17:55
  but that, you know, the ruse would come and they arrived in
• 1:17:58
  Port, and they would prostrate themselves before this figure
• 1:18:01
  this God pull, perhaps. And they would say, aye, No, I I
• 1:18:07
  give you all these things in hopes of getting something back.
• 1:18:10
  There was, there was this reciprocity understanding there
• 1:18:12
  was, I'm giving you monetary 'l Goods that I could potentially
• 1:18:18
  use for myself and I'm giving of them to this, you know, the to
• 1:18:22
  the sacred, to the Divine. And it was clearly like milk
• 1:18:25
  honey grains, whatever it wasn't, there was no mention of
• 1:18:28
  blood. So there was different.
• 1:18:29
  So so we have examples of things like, you know that which could
• 1:18:34
  maybe Be defined in in modern times as I cannot just
• 1:18:37
  paintings, I think maybe or just our offerings, but that would be
• 1:18:41
  a really cool. I think topic to Deep dive into
• 1:18:46
  separately because that again, like, we're getting into some
• 1:18:49
  really heavy-duty stuff with that.
• 1:18:51
  And it's fascinating to me because, again, I I come from a
• 1:18:55
  background where I'm like, well, blood bloat, if you're going to
• 1:18:58
  call it bloat, must have blood. There there seems to be a miss,
• 1:19:04
  not a misunderstanding. But there seems to be enough
• 1:19:06
  understanding here amongst us that I could be wrong and maybe
• 1:19:11
  wrong and like not are not at least not in every case, right?
• 1:19:15
  Our group up here, particularly we don't we don't get too hung
• 1:19:19
  up on if there's not blood calling it feigning.
• 1:19:22
  We generally call everything we do is is a bloat and we haven't
• 1:19:26
  have blood yet at one of them. Yes I know and if it works then
• 1:19:30
  it works. Yeah, a lot of so much.
• 1:19:34
  This terminology gets really mushy but but so has a whole
• 1:19:39
  different. Now there, I think we are
• 1:19:42
  dealing because so has now that verb has like horrible
• 1:19:48
  connotations and modern Icelandic.
• 1:19:51
  Well, not horrible. I do think though, with this,
• 1:19:53
  like, we're getting into this Hall them all stuff.
• 1:19:56
  This could be a whole nother. Oh, yes, I could.
• 1:19:59
  I could, I could, I could dedicate a whole podcast about
• 1:20:01
  That because that stanza 144, you know, Vista Way sauce called
• 1:20:05
  as to why send us call this to be brought to school like that,
• 1:20:10
  right there. I could I could Dot dot dot.
• 1:20:13
  That's my Jason. The whole ritual formula is
• 1:20:15
  like, yeah, yeah. Oh yeah, I think that's that
• 1:20:21
  144, that is a wonderful verse because that does kind of open
• 1:20:25
  up these kind of like ritual processes.
• 1:20:29
  I mean, there's there's stuff that's in there.
• 1:20:31
  That is like specifically magical, you know, and then
• 1:20:35
  there's stuff in there that is like religion, so has like that
• 1:20:40
  verb. That's Of like it means to like
• 1:20:45
  bring things to an end. It's a killing them up.
• 1:20:49
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:20:51
  Whatever. I like how you are.
• 1:20:53
  Like how you made the 138 to 145.
• 1:20:59
  Sorry to interrupt Jessie. No that's fine the Rune at all
• 1:21:02
  right? Or the yeah that that section of
• 1:21:04
  the homeowner. Yeah.
• 1:21:06
  No, it does because I know like how you mentioned that it was
• 1:21:09
  magical versus religious. There are they are definitely
• 1:21:13
  separate parts of that can maybe interact but magical working is
• 1:21:19
  different than religious working which is different than to me at
• 1:21:21
  least than spiritual stuff. You know.
• 1:21:24
  Like the the spirituality of a person is not necessarily
• 1:21:29
  all-encompassing of their religiosity.
• 1:21:31
  I like that. I've never heard it said that.
• 1:21:36
  You're right. When you think about it, you
• 1:21:38
  know, getting together with a group for religious worst
• 1:21:42
  worship is different than your day-to-day spirituality which is
• 1:21:45
  certainly different from working magic.
• 1:21:48
  So right, I mean, I think it's a little hazardous to throw around
• 1:21:53
  terms like religious and magical and all that kind of shit.
• 1:21:58
  Especially when we're dealing with like Heathen rebut.
• 1:22:03
  My thing was always that I guess words.
• 1:22:06
  Aged. I mean, my thing was always that
• 1:22:09
  if you're talking about anything of a religious nature, then the
• 1:22:11
  gods, the Divine, the sacred, they're involved.
• 1:22:16
  I'm just giving my definition when and so spirituality is more
• 1:22:22
  of you know the things of perhaps our dealings with our
• 1:22:26
  ancestors, the the Victor localized, whether it be cool.
• 1:22:31
  If God's again, whites are /pha tear that that term I guess
• 1:22:36
  could be. Interchangeable that that to me
• 1:22:39
  was always more tapping into the realm of spirituality.
• 1:22:42
  And then magical stuff is very very centralized around Hearth
• 1:22:46
  cult practices and things of individual cultic practices that
• 1:22:54
  don't necessarily involve more than just what's underneath the
• 1:22:58
  roof tree, the me, you know, that's how I was the simulating
• 1:23:03
  at all. I've always looked at like,
• 1:23:07
  magic is as you are now trying to like Crowley's definition of
• 1:23:15
  create change in Conformity, with Will is kind of what I
• 1:23:20
  think magic is and maybe sometimes I do magic.
• 1:23:24
  I'm gonna do magic before too long with this for mention Rune
• 1:23:30
  white that I'm making right. Which is a cultic practice of
• 1:23:34
  you, right? Well if yeah Develop my ode of
• 1:23:40
  operation with how I like to do these kinds of things.
• 1:23:43
  They have a looking at my runic inscription.
• 1:23:45
  I drew it on before coming on here and it's like you know, you
• 1:23:50
  can tell when I write runes I just they look the same.
• 1:23:54
  It's like a signature. Like my handwriting.
• 1:23:58
  No, I mean I did Magic tonight before I got on with you guys.
• 1:24:01
  I put a bunch of of things into a centralized Pot and I and I
• 1:24:08
  used fire to sear the Flesh of a deceased animal, and then I
• 1:24:15
  consumed it ritualistically, which is what I called dinner,
• 1:24:18
  right? I was in the kitchen, It's
• 1:24:20
  Magic. Yes, same.
• 1:24:30
  But, you know, so, yeah, like I mean, we could Define it and so,
• 1:24:36
  He different ways and you know it hits home.
• 1:24:39
  This was great guys. I think this was a phenomenal,
• 1:24:43
  you know. So I think if we wanted to
• 1:24:44
  summarize things that as best we could because we've gone on for
• 1:24:49
  a while now. But I mean if we wanted to
• 1:24:50
  summarize things, I think one of the things that we've almost
• 1:24:55
  settled on is is this concept of the Gods and Asgard having a
• 1:25:02
  temple, or a hearth or an altar to sacrifice to me.
• 1:25:06
  Not be what we're looking at here.
• 1:25:08
  What we may be looking at here is just the fact that the place
• 1:25:13
  itself is sacred and holy and there are great Powers involved
• 1:25:19
  at the, you know, through the really through the reading of
• 1:25:22
  the voluspa that are our drivers that are catalysts to achieving
• 1:25:31
  certain things and part of that process involves Humanity
• 1:25:35
  mankind. Oscar, if we will the the in end
• 1:25:40
  we ourselves are imbued with power to shape things.
• 1:25:48
  Is that a fair? We are given some very
• 1:25:51
  important, very, very important gifts.
• 1:25:56
  You know, and the goddesses the three, our lawyer, they come and
• 1:26:02
  they give us A way to be thoughtful about it, you know,
• 1:26:10
  and not just act out of impulse. You know.
• 1:26:15
  And I think another big in those early stages of creation and
• 1:26:20
  voluspa with with the way that it was it was red tonight.
• 1:26:25
  It's like as the gods were ordering Things, They Came Upon
• 1:26:30
  eat the volar and recognized it as something that was already.
• 1:26:36
  Holy that didn't need to be purified.
• 1:26:39
  It was it was just that way already and then it, then it
• 1:26:44
  then it comes back. Back at the end of Ragnarok, you
• 1:26:47
  know, it's I love that idea. I just love that idea.
• 1:26:53
  I think we're dealing with like either born just kind of a side,
• 1:26:57
  little footnote here. There's also the the realm that
• 1:27:03
  the dwarves dwell in is called sparked off, Hammer by snorri,
• 1:27:09
  but that's only in sonority, you know, and only occurs one time.
• 1:27:15
  So, you know, but place that is refer to numerous times
• 1:27:24
  referring to. The dwarves is called need the
• 1:27:28
  Ville, and it literally means below the valleys Under The
• 1:27:34
  Valleys, you know. So what you're dealing with is
• 1:27:38
  like I think what we're dealing with is kind of magical
• 1:27:43
  separation here, but Above. You have the interval, you have
• 1:27:48
  this shining' realm shining powerful place of existence
• 1:27:56
  where the gods and light Alves and all that other kind of stuff
• 1:28:00
  too well. And then below that need the
• 1:28:03
  vole below. The valleys is where, you know,
• 1:28:09
  The the the Shapers and other Subterranean, ketonic sorts of
• 1:28:17
  whites are, you know, engaged and, and we dwell in that kind
• 1:28:23
  of like that V have access to that middle.
• 1:28:28
  That middle ground, we have access to it.
• 1:28:31
  And that's probably what our ancestors saw in like, you know,
• 1:28:34
  mountains and caves, you know. And everything, right?
• 1:28:39
  And I mean, like not just our ancestors, like Viking age.
• 1:28:42
  I'm talking like our ancestors, the whole, you know.
• 1:28:45
  Yeah, ancient ancestors had before it all.
• 1:28:47
  Yeah we're saying those kind of white Journeys into the
• 1:28:52
  underworld and I and we see vestiges of it, I think in like
• 1:28:57
  lascaux and Chauvet and all those other painted caves, you
• 1:29:01
  know. But that's a whole nother topic.
• 1:29:04
  We always ask you about getting Scott on with us and do a
• 1:29:08
  podcast and have it. It would be deep.
• 1:29:12
  I would love to have Scott on here.
• 1:29:14
  I've, I've haven't talked to him directly at least in a very long
• 1:29:19
  time, but I've mentioned to him about coming on here, and it was
• 1:29:22
  just kind of like, hey, would you like to come on a podcast?
• 1:29:23
  And he was, he was receptive to it, but to have like something
• 1:29:28
  of this degree of granularity, like going to stuff, Like this,
• 1:29:33
  I think would be hella fun many. It'd be such a good time and I
• 1:29:38
  do just want to say real quick to like for everybody that does
• 1:29:40
  listen and watch this, you know, all of the stuff that we spent
• 1:29:43
  all this time talking about. Look at look at the amount of
• 1:29:50
  years. Look at first of all, look at
• 1:29:51
  the years behind this degree of analysis and then look at the
• 1:29:59
  combined, you know, somebody here from Who's Ben who's been
• 1:30:03
  Heathen, you know, for 40 years we're going on and and myself
• 1:30:09
  and everybody else like it, just the differences and it's if
• 1:30:14
  there's there's nothing. I don't think that we could walk
• 1:30:16
  away from here and say well we figured it out guys.
• 1:30:18
  This is it. It's largely if not entirely
• 1:30:23
  shared UPG, right? As long as we're as long as
• 1:30:29
  we're coming into it saying as such, but I think that a lot of
• 1:30:32
  Of what is being shared here? Is deeply rooted in strong
• 1:30:38
  Source material, in terms of like the, the Linguistics part
• 1:30:41
  of it, right? Like, I don't know nearly as
• 1:30:43
  much as Rob does hear about the linguistic.
• 1:30:46
  Mighty, you clearly language is impressive.
• 1:30:49
  Very impressive. You know, I mean he clearly
• 1:30:51
  knows his way around the the linguistic side of it which does
• 1:30:54
  really help paint a clearer picture of how we should be
• 1:30:59
  looking at things or way to look at things.
• 1:31:02
  Because you could come up with all kinds of stuff which is
• 1:31:05
  clearly been done over the centuries.
• 1:31:07
  You know, everybody says, come up, everybody's, come up with
• 1:31:09
  their own ways of looking at things tonight.
• 1:31:11
  We, we got a chance to really do a deep dive into what in the
• 1:31:15
  hell of the words that are being used here.
• 1:31:18
  What do they mean? What could they mean?
• 1:31:21
  How could they be interpreted? And then, what does, you know,
• 1:31:25
  what do we get from it all? And, you know, one of the things
• 1:31:28
  about I do rob, you know, I love the Poetics and, and the Double
• 1:31:33
  meanings and stuff. And in the little bit that I
• 1:31:36
  know about Old Norse and have looked at some of these things
• 1:31:40
  poetically, they love to throw stuff at you.
• 1:31:44
  That could be interpreted a couple different ways and they
• 1:31:46
  knew what they were doing and that's what made a good home.
• 1:31:50
  And so now we're scratching our heads, A Thousand Years Later,
• 1:31:53
  learning a little bit about Old Norse, Way away from the
• 1:31:56
  culture, way away from the original understandings of it,
• 1:32:01
  and it is Absolutely. An enigma wrapped in a conundrum
• 1:32:06
  and it's fun. It is floating in a sea of
• 1:32:11
  riddles. Yeah, that that it is because,
• 1:32:16
  you know, that's a good point, Roger.
• 1:32:17
  I mean like the ones that wrote it all down, I mean they knew
• 1:32:21
  what they were talking about back then and they're like,
• 1:32:24
  watch this guy's, you know, I'm going to do.
• 1:32:27
  I'm watch, watch watch what I'm about to do.
• 1:32:28
  They're going to really love this when whoever it is that
• 1:32:31
  reads. This you know, what are you A
• 1:32:32
  year, two years, 1000 years down the road.
• 1:32:34
  They how would they have known? How long it would have taken for
• 1:32:39
  this to be analyzed by? You know, there was no way that
• 1:32:43
  these guys are gal good ever would have known that people
• 1:32:45
  over the Internet would have been talking about
• 1:32:58
  such a fragmentary, you know, version of it, you know, it's
• 1:33:04
  like just It's like the somebody I can't remember who was put
• 1:33:12
  forth the analogy that it's like you know, we're uncovering where
• 1:33:17
  archaeologists uncovering a ship rat.
• 1:33:20
  You know I think in a lot of respects we don't even know if
• 1:33:25
  we have ship Hearts graph and now it's like we don't we don't
• 1:33:31
  we don't even know. That's what we're on, you could
• 1:33:34
  have been an airplane, right? It could have Been there for
• 1:33:37
  him, it could have been, you could have been a fine fucking
• 1:33:40
  zoster, right, you know? So I think there's think there's
• 1:33:47
  like You PG is such a weird thing.
• 1:33:52
  I think you just one of those like necessary things because
• 1:33:56
  everybody uses it, Academia uses it.
• 1:33:59
  Everybody uses it. Because all of this is, but I
• 1:34:04
  think U PG is something that grows out of the lore.
• 1:34:08
  Not something that works in opposition to it.
• 1:34:12
  You know, we can't go with. I don't think we can as modern
• 1:34:17
  heathens. approach this as going like okay, well, my UPG is
• 1:34:26
  Whatever, you know, doesn't matter.
• 1:34:30
  Don't disagree for therefore, you know, something that isn't
• 1:34:34
  the loose, but is in direct opposition to it, so loose was
• 1:34:38
  wrong, you know? No, that's not really all that
• 1:34:43
  works. I think what we get is is as we
• 1:34:46
  like our Connection with the The Lure.
• 1:34:53
  Both, both both at us, grows those connections, start to
• 1:35:01
  form. So we had these kind of
• 1:35:03
  connections, like well, what are these altars and temples that
• 1:35:07
  the gods are making? What are the what are these?
• 1:35:10
  You know, it's possible that it's groomed that is referring
• 1:35:14
  to something in green, too small.
• 1:35:15
  You know, that's also referred to in Greenville small where
• 1:35:18
  it's, you know, we're talking. Talking about the building their
• 1:35:21
  own homes with the gods. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:35:24
  And all that kind of stuff. So you know I mean now what the
• 1:35:28
  halls of the gods are is a little bit more speculative.
• 1:35:33
  You know what we're probably dealing with is some sort of
• 1:35:38
  like Germanic Astronomy for black guy with Rowling, you
• 1:35:48
  know, that's a whole thing to do, but it is one of those
• 1:35:53
  things that is. So, so rooted in the core.
• 1:35:58
  Like you were saying earlier, Jesse, you know what?
• 1:36:01
  We're looking up at the sky and we're seeing their fires and
• 1:36:04
  they're looking down, and they're seeing ours.
• 1:36:06
  It's so rooted in the core of humanity, that At that to pull
• 1:36:13
  something out of it, like the halls of the Gods, being the the
• 1:36:18
  Zodiac. It's yes, it is U PG but it's
• 1:36:22
  worth looking at UPG is definitely it has value.
• 1:36:28
  So for instance, like I got erequest coats book, The Eagles
• 1:36:33
  mean which is really super grounded in lore.
• 1:36:38
  It's his poetry as he worked through.
• 1:36:41
  Through the nine doors and midgard.
• 1:36:43
  And he's a master in the room, Guild and everything.
• 1:36:46
  And now this, this is his modern interpretations his experiences
• 1:36:50
  with everything, but you go through and you read The Poetry
• 1:36:54
  and you're like, fuck yeah, bro. Good stuff, you know.
• 1:37:00
  Yeah, so so it has value, you know, people that just so it's U
• 1:37:04
  PG and they turn their ears off. It is the wrong approach.
• 1:37:10
  Yeah, no. I and that's the whole thing to
• 1:37:12
  me is like, what I'm hoping is that you PG is absolutely valid
• 1:37:16
  as long as we're clearly defining it as such.
• 1:37:19
  Like what I'm trying to say is like, hey guys, I don't think
• 1:37:22
  we're we've reached the point that that what we've deduced
• 1:37:26
  tonight is 100% fact. I mean we're literally analyzing
• 1:37:29
  lure. Yeah.
• 1:37:31
  Right. You know what I mean?
• 1:37:32
  Like, let's get real like but it's it I think we've reached
• 1:37:36
  some really phenomenal things and thank you rob for For being
• 1:37:41
  such a great leader in this in this endeavor tonight with
• 1:37:44
  which, you know, the linguistic aspect and talking through it
• 1:37:47
  all. You've done a phenomenal job.
• 1:37:49
  I'm excited on watching this whole thing replay.
• 1:37:52
  I think people that have watched this up to this point are going
• 1:37:55
  to be really enthralled and I would love to have more stuff
• 1:37:59
  like this recurring on this channel and on this podcast to
• 1:38:02
  talk about things like every time I like the connection
• 1:38:05
  possibly between the the halls of the Gods and its potential.
• 1:38:10
  oil correlation to astral bodies or astronomy in a dramatic sense
• 1:38:15
  because I don't think we really know that these people had a
• 1:38:21
  That that sort of vision, unlike the Greeks or some of the other
• 1:38:26
  cultures that that clearly were very astronomy driven.
• 1:38:29
  And, you know, like all of the astral bodies that we have names
• 1:38:32
  for our from those cultures, right?
• 1:38:35
  I think it's a really fun thing to tap into an explorer. well,
• 1:38:40
  people, I think a lot of the ideas behind like the
• 1:38:49
  Astrological approach to this, is there.
• 1:38:58
  They're looking at like the stuff in the in snore he's in
• 1:39:04
  gylfaginning wear you know big door sill.
• 1:39:07
  Yggdrasil itself is the Milky Way, all right.
• 1:39:13
  The Arc of the Milky Way that we see through the sky, the the for
• 1:39:21
  deer that eat evidence. Are like likely specific
• 1:39:30
  constellations or at least start using constellation.
• 1:39:36
  I don't want to eat like make connections with like modern
• 1:39:39
  constellations because they may not have necessarily seen those
• 1:39:43
  same patterns in the sky, but everybody has seen patterns in
• 1:39:48
  the sky. Sure, you know?
• 1:39:51
  I mean every every every Culture.
• 1:39:56
  Yeah globally you know I mean what I'm saying like before you
• 1:39:59
  get laid back and you know you got your fire burning yet.
• 1:40:02
  You're trying not to die. You got a fire Burnin to keep
• 1:40:04
  the Predators and all that away. Like just primitive, man.
• 1:40:07
  Whatever you know exactly what their this looking up at the sky
• 1:40:09
  going shit. Look at that right?
• 1:40:11
  And they had enough right? They have nothing else to talk
• 1:40:14
  about other than what the hell's going on up there above them.
• 1:40:17
  So there's a word. I was wondering if you could
• 1:40:20
  maybe, you know, and as we get close to wrapping up here,
• 1:40:23
  there's a word that that has recently come into my vocabulary
• 1:40:26
  and I don't think there's, you know, anything of particular
• 1:40:30
  Source material, but again a compound word stay out in the
• 1:40:34
  court star map Mapping of the Stars.
• 1:40:39
  I and, and the reason why I wanted to bring it up or give,
• 1:40:43
  you know, something to ponder about his, I will be venturing
• 1:40:50
  off into the mountains of Appalachia later this year to
• 1:40:54
  partake in a sort of Ritual of a retreat of sorts with with dear
• 1:41:04
  friends and by all intents and purposes, brothers and family,
• 1:41:09
  you know, extended kin and kith of my my family.
• 1:41:13
  And that's kind of the theme of this year's Retreat is to is to
• 1:41:19
  look to the stars and and see the.
• 1:41:22
  Is this a word that has been constructed for this Retreat?
• 1:41:27
  Yeah. Okay cool.
• 1:41:29
  Yeah. Exactly.
• 1:41:30
  Again, I am saying that there's nothing.
• 1:41:31
  I know. You can look up and find butts.
• 1:41:33
  Tiana stay on the court star map, something like that.
• 1:41:39
  Well I wouldn't be surprised if it's not.
• 1:41:42
  It's been a long time since I've looked at that Saga but there's
• 1:41:45
  like a saga that's called The Saga of star ADI and it's I mean
• 1:41:53
  that's really what it is is a book on astronomy written in
• 1:41:58
  Icelandic. No, no, but it is not at all
• 1:42:05
  like, Heathen Germanic. It's not yet.
• 1:42:10
  It's everything. Is like Sagittarius and Jim and
• 1:42:12
  I, and, you know, all of kind of look like, modern, well, not
• 1:42:16
  modern, but the Babylonian Greek, you know, Mediterranean
• 1:42:21
  zodiac names, right? And all that other stuff.
• 1:42:25
  And and so, you know, and and that's just a And it's late.
• 1:42:30
  It's remember what. But I think it seems like it's
• 1:42:33
  in like the 15th, maybe 16s in Turkey, it's late, you know.
• 1:42:39
  Yeah, so, you know, but there was any event they were.
• 1:42:44
  Yeah, I mean, it's it's a whole lot of speculation but there's
• 1:42:49
  everybody who has ever looked every culture that can see the
• 1:42:53
  sky has told stories about what's going on in it.
• 1:42:57
  Yeah, you know. Yeah, it's us looking.
• 1:43:00
  I think you're right, it's us looking up at the realm of the
• 1:43:03
  Realms of the Gods, just like them looking down at us, you
• 1:43:06
  know. Well, it is definitely a
• 1:43:09
  fascinating concept. And for, for everybody listening
• 1:43:14
  watching today, I hope that this was the extra time that we spent
• 1:43:17
  going into all this. I hope that it was a edifying
• 1:43:22
  thing. I'm sure there's going to be a
• 1:43:23
  lot of people that that pause come back, revisit It, Whatever,
• 1:43:27
  right? Like so many things, it's like,
• 1:43:29
  hey, I can't spend all this time just watching.
• 1:43:31
  So I'm gonna do the same thing just because I'm like this, this
• 1:43:34
  for me, I mean, just it's early in the year but I mean, this
• 1:43:37
  this for me. Me in terms of the whole catalog
• 1:43:40
  of podcast. Like this, this ranks up here as
• 1:43:43
  probably one of my most meaningful and enjoyable
• 1:43:47
  conversations. This, this was, this is great.
• 1:43:49
  Awesome. Thank you.
• 1:43:52
  I'm honored. Jesse, thank you very much for
• 1:43:54
  having me. Yeah, yeah, it's great to be in
• 1:43:57
  stone and Twin Rivers to become friends of yours.
• 1:44:01
  And to be forging, these, these ties of frith.
• 1:44:05
  And we got a and we got to get it.
• 1:44:08
  Off the internet and meet in person, one of these days and
• 1:44:11
  yeah, have some fun and, and drink some meat, and all that
• 1:44:16
  absolutely, man. Absolutely.
• 1:44:18
  You guys aren't too, too far respectively.
• 1:44:21
  Speaking from from where I am, I've traveled farther for Less,
• 1:44:26
  you know, I will make it happen someday.
• 1:44:30
  We will got our, you know, means of communication.
• 1:44:33
  So if you guys don't mind, just hang out for a minute, I'm going
• 1:44:37
  to wrap this up on the Podcast for everybody that's listening
• 1:44:40
  watching but don't go anywhere you guys because I wanted to
• 1:44:42
  touch base with you before we leave.
• 1:44:44
  But yes everybody that's listening watching you know,
• 1:44:47
  runestone heathens of Ohio. The link for that group is going
• 1:44:51
  to be linked in the description. So all of the stuff that you
• 1:44:54
  know we talked about tonight, you know these are guys that are
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  active in that Facebook group. So the link to that Facebook
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• 1:45:04
  So be sure to check it out and be sure to follow this path.
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  Ask for more stuff because I feel like we're going to be
• 1:45:11
  doing some more stuff with you guys of a similar nature.
• 1:45:17
  And so, for all of you that are listening and watching, thank
• 1:45:19
  you so much for your support. Be sure to follow, like, share
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  and subscribe, do all the things that the fickle algorithm Gods,
• 1:45:27
  demand, that you do, and until we see each other.
• 1:45:31
  Again, May the gods sacrifices to them, their that all just do,
• 1:45:36
  all the things. You know what?
• 1:45:37
  If You're worrying about doing too much.
• 1:45:39
  Then, you know, figure that out later.
• 1:45:41
  Throw your vanquished enemies at their feet.
• 1:45:45
  Do it all. So yes.
• 1:45:47
  Absolutely. Thank you all so much for
• 1:45:49
  watching and listening to today's episode.
• 1:45:51
  May the gods continue to notice you and may your ancestors smile
• 1:45:55
  look like. Hey, thank you.