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Golden State Killer: The Cop Who Evaded Capture for 44 Years · Deadly Intentions

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  He starts communicating with the on individuals he's
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  traumatizing. He's communicating with the
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  officers like mocking and taunting.
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  He had a 44 year run of evading capture.
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  How many? Years 44.
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  He was someone who had institutional knowledge and was
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  able to exploit the limits of what was essentially an analogue
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  world. He was sentenced in 2020 and but
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  his era spanned from let's say the mid 1970s through the mid
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  1980s and over the course of that time period he was
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  responsible for at least 13 on the livings, 13 kidnappings, 50
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  assaults on women of a was that one time sexual nature.
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  Sexual How many sexuals? Over 50 it was over 50 / 50.
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  There was a lot of people that he just did the sexual.
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  Yeah, well, because. But didn't kill.
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  Well, it's a progression for these guys.
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  At the Genesis it was 120 break insurance and so did.
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  Well, first of all, this guy lived in a relatively rural
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  community called Visalia back in the 1970s.
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  I checked the population that according to the census 25,000
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  people. Isn't a real big farm area.
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  It's Agri business and livestock and so he.
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  And he's a cop up in that area. Well, that was the interesting
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  thing about this gentleman, this scumbag, excuse me.
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  He was a for the bulk of for some of the much of the activity
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  he engaged in. It was he was a police officer
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  and former military comes back after he served, went to
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  college, got a degree, criminal justice became a police officer.
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  He was in the Navy actually becomes an issue later on it
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  because one of his signatures was the way he would tie the
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  knots. And anybody that's been through
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  the Navy knows you go through boot camp because they're not
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  TIE knots. Right, right.
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  More so than any form of the military.
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  The Navy is is is where the knots go.
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  Where the knots come, Yeah. And so.
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  But at the beginning he was, as in the case of the scumbag we
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  profiled last week. The Gilgo.
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  Another one of these individuals who have this compulsive need
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  for psychological dominance, psychological control and
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  psychological terror, essentially.
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  Power. Well, it's more he was just like
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  to illustrate at the beginning he was doing a random series of
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  break insurance. So the Golden State Killer
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  starts out Johnny Break in, Johnny Break in, Johnny Break in
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  guy. He's he's a police officer on
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  the burglary units. Oh, so it's like shooting fish
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  out, for lack of a better term, like fishing.
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  He knows where. He knows all the tricks of the
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  trade, who they're investigating.
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  It's the stereotypical you know, the fireman that starts fires.
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  Right, right. The the arsonist.
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  The arsonist, OK. And so now he didn't live in the
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  area in which he targeted. He lived about 10 miles, 15
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  miles out. So he was on a police force for
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  the Exeter and but he was targeting the.
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  The county, Yeah. And so.
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  So he's like a city guy and, and, and he goes into the county
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  area like where the sheriff may be.
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  These are all small towns at the time, like today.
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  It's much more developed back then.
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  It's just little agriculture. It was just maybe the next
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  little city over 10. 15 miles over and so he he's doing a like
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  so over the course of the first couple of years he does 120 some
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  odd break insurance. Now, of course, being a police
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  officer who's familiar with burglaries.
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  Because you're in the burglary unit.
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  Yeah, he knows the tools of the trade.
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  He knows the limits of the authority's ability with respect
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  to investigations. He knows the evidence collection
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  protocols. He understands the, you know,
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  investigatory protocols. He knows the patrol patterns.
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  He knows the shift changes. So he was able to capitalize on
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  that institutional knowledge. Like almost a borderline expert
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  of I mean like within the where he the world he's dabbling in,
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  he would be considered like a an.
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  Expert. Yes, Sir.
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  And he'd be called. He'd be called.
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  He'd be competent to testify in court.
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  As a burglary. Expert as a burglary expert,
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  yes. And so he would come.
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  So now he, although he was compulsive, he was organized in
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  the sense that he would study the houses, make sure he'd get
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  the time schedule of everybody, he'd break into the home and but
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  he wasn't really taking anything of value.
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  And this is where you see the psychological sickness forming.
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  What he was doing was essentially like ransacking
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  through. And initially, he was targeting
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  primarily women, ransacking the women's undergarments or like,
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  taking all their clothes, throw them in a pile and taking a big
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  picture of like, Kool-aid and just throwing it all on her, her
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  clothes, like, you know, just like.
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  So he wasn't the degenerate burglar that's in there looking
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  for jewelry cash. He's in there doing this
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  tormenting kind of dominance or some type of sick, you know, of,
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  of like showing dominance over a, a, a woman to, to create
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  fear. A derive He derives a sense of a
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  thrill knowing that he's You know when someone breaks into
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  your home. Oh, you're violated.
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  You're violated, Yeah. And particularly for now,
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  someone breaks into your home and, you know, from a woman's
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  perspective and going through all his undergarments and going,
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  Yeah, like that's a real. And so he was able.
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  He got. The guy that's breaking in and
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  grabbing your watch is way different than the guy that's
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  just come in your pants and, and, and doing that.
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  That's a whole different. Monster.
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  Not just that though, but he would also.
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  Not only would he do the undergarment thing, but he would
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  also. What he would take would be
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  things of sentimental value. And so the photograph of the one
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  photograph you have of your grandparents when they were
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  young and happy and beautiful like you, it's irreplaceable,
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  like the sentimental value that can't be replaced.
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  Well, he'd take that. Which was even more sick.
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  He would take the photos of the family or like, you know, close
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  family. Things that have no value but
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  are actually invaluable. Invaluable.
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  That's right. Or if there was a wedding ring
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  there, he'd take the wedding ring.
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  Or if she has like a beautiful set of earrings, he'd take just
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  one of them. Not even both.
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  Both. Yes, exactly that.
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  Even makes it more. Yes, it's demented, right?
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  Yeah. And so then this went on for the
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  better. Part 120 of them. 120 of them,
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  you know, he and he, of course, he, by that point he was already
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  labeled. They called him the Visalia
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  Ransacker. But that's all he had on his tap
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  was just 120 burglaries. Yeah, at this, at this point,
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  Yeah, at this point. He had an escalator.
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  He was the Vesalia Ransacker Sacker.
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  Yeah, because far better than the Golden State.
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  Killer Yeah, yeah, because it's still primarily ransacking,
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  right? And so I mean, you've done time
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  and you know that the amount of time you're going to get for
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  being a ransacker compared to the amount of time you're going
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  to get from 713 undefs on your plate is night and day.
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  One of them might be 15 months, the only one might be alive in
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  prison. And definitely.
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  Yeah, certainly. And he probably because the
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  media gave him a little title, maybe even boasted his sickness
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  even more that now that he was kind of a known, you know, like
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  the Ransack. Yeah, as as we move in, as we
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  progress into the escalatory phase, that's where he starts
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  diving into this side of his cycle nonsense because the.
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  Darker. Yeah, the darker side, because
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  he's going to start communicating with the media, He
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  starts communicating with the an individual he's traumatizing.
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  He's communicating with the officers like mocking and
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  taunting. And little do they know that
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  that's one of their own indirectly, I mean, another
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  person in Leo. With respect to the the
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  Ransackers, some of the more astute officers started getting
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  a little suspicious because it's one thing for a guy to get lucky
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  breaks in and he takes OK, but he breaks in, but he didn't
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  steal anything. But on the other hand, it's
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  after a year of these, you know, dozens and hundreds, at this
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  point it's over 100. But at the, you know, once
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  you're a few dozen into these things and you're like this same
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  guy and how's he not leaving behind any evidence?
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  No fibers, no DNA, no he remember.
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  The 1970s era, so the the forensic capacity was very
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  different. But this is like another guy
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  where technology kind of like our one last week, the go go guy
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  where technology kind of eventually caught up to yes.
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  But at that point that that was his, you know, later on the
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  media because he had a 44 year run of evading capture.
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  How many years? 44.
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  Now he's, he went dormant in 1986.
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  He kept traumatizing to people making these taunting phone
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  calls from 91 to 2001. But there's that 44 year period
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  without having gotten apprehended.
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  Well, he was, you know, they're, they're calling him a criminal
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  mastermind. No, he was someone who had
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  institutional knowledge and was able to exploit the limits of
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  what was essentially an analogue world.
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  Exactly. And the analog world far
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  different than the digital. World.
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  Very, very. Just like our our our boy Rex
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  from last week where the cellular triangulation and the
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  Geo mapping, you know, caught up.
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  Ultimately caught up and that's. What ultimately, other than the
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  Let me see if I can remember correctly, other than the fact
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  that you drove a green Chevy Avalanche, remember that was
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  probably within not to go back from last week, but that was
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  probably the one tip that really let them hyper focus on because
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  it was such an oddball, a green Chevy Avalanche.
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  Yes, and. Talking about last week with
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  Rex. Yes.
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  And then, of course, New York had a database that allowed the
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  authorities to pull up well, who owned.
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  They can just start drilling down.
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  On it, That's right. And so with respect to this guy,
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  though, he wasn't leaving behind any evidence.
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  And so somebody office, some of the detectives were like, you
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  know, this may have the hallmarks of somebody who may
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  potentially be a cop. So somebody at one time early on
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  identified that like there, there that there was, there was
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  a detective or somebody that said, hey, this might be in it
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  one of our own. Yes.
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  No, not obviously. The likelihood of it being
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  someone in your own department is going to be modest.
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  Somebody with our knowledge. Someone with the prior
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  background in law enforcement because he's continuously
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  engaging in these break insurance and not leaving any
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  evidence behind. There were other instances where
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  he was trying to break into people's homes.
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  Civilians saw him. So like, hey, hey, what's going
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  on? So the guy would just take off
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  running. Well, they get like witness
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  descriptions, vague of course, but they were to say like, you
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  know what? Like it's a white guy.
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  And we started yelling and next thing you know, he hit two or
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  three fences and was gone. Well, that means it's not an
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  African American, it's not a Hispanic.
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  It's. Not an Asian, it's not an.
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  Overweight guy. It's not someone who's older.
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  In shape, white guy. In shape white.
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  And you can start drilling down here.
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  That's right. So you start building a profile
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  saying, look, you know what? Someone who has potentially some
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  kind of a law enforcement or military background.
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  Someone who is in physical shape.
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  Athletic. Relatively good shape where you
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  can start hitting these fences and take off.
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  This was just the burglary side of it, correct?
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  Yes, this is the Visalia Ransacker.
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  So the Ransacker, I don't know if it ran its course or not
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  Pete, but eventually things with with Joseph escalated where man,
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  maybe break it into, you know, this middle-aged 3538 year old
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  hot single woman house isn't good enough.
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  Maybe they're kind of on to me a little bit and then can only
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  feed my ego so much. I got to take it to the next.
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  Level. He takes it to the next level.
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  He moves beyond ransacking through the under undergarment
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  drawer to where now he starts actually physically assaulting
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  to women. So when you're a ransacker, you
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  don't want to be caught, you don't have any contact.
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  Nobody in the house even is. Don't want to touch nobody.
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  You're just now you're putting hands on.
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  People and so now similar circumstance, he would case out
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  the house, make sure that she lived by herself.
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  He would he would often times go in, check out everything, make
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  sure everything was fine, leave like the window unlocked.
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  That way when she's home, he's able to.
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  So like almost he pre scouted. With.
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  Boots on the ground. Then of course, he,
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  unfortunately, he would get in, you know, assault the woman,
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  right? And over the course of the next
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  three-year period, he had over 50 of these.
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  So 150 ransacking. Over 100 ransacking.
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  Yeah, I'm sorry, Over 100 ransacking, then that escalates
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  to where we are now, and that's sexual assaulting women to the
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  tune of over. 50. And so and but never caught.
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  No. And now the circumstances start
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  escalating because he's in the midst of one of these assaults,
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  assaults he was targeting. Not only is the guy a sicko, but
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  he's also at this point he was targeting a teenage girl.
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  So now, now you got. Minors involved.
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  Right now, you're now. Now you're real sick.
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  Of now you're real, I mean not. That any of it's great but now
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  he's. Really gone into some place very
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  dark, right? And the individual the household
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  was, the family name was Snelling.
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  Snelling. Yes.
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  And so he breaks into the home. The father's there.
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  He's targeting the child. Or the teenage.
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  Teenage girl, she wakes up, he's on top of her with a knife at
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  her throat, says hey you're coming with me.
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  Shows her his firearm. She gets up, she's leaving with
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  the man. She he says if you scream or
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  anything I'm going to unalive you.
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  Of course you know the 15 year old girl's going to do what she
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  tells while he's literally leaving with her.
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  Like walking across the lawn with this guy's daughter.
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  The father wakes up, gets up, goes and checks see what's going
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  on. Like something ain't right.
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  He goes outside and he sees the man walking away with his
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  daughter. So he starts yelling and going,
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  hey, get back. You know, he's obviously.
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  Absolutely. And gripped with panic and
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  infuriated scumbag, D'Angelo turns around and fires off a
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  couple shots. At Pops.
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  Remember, D'angelo's a police officer.
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  He's not some knucklehead on the street.
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  Just. He probably got pretty good name
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  two shots marksmen. You know.
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  On our. Lives through the lungs on one
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  and through the heart of the other.
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  So that guy dad didn't have a. Chance Dad didn't have a chance,
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  so now it escalates from. From from sniffing panties and
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  ransacking. So now breaking into a home,
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  actually kidnapping. A child.
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  A teenager. A teenager girl obviously
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  contemplating assaulting her right and in the midst of this,
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  analyze the father. Right.
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  Takes her dad out. Takes the dad out.
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  And so like, you know, shit's getting real.
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  Now, yeah, shit. Down got real.
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  Yeah, and keep him in the time to think This, this is a cop
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  doing. All right right yeah this isn't
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  you know Johnny heroin addict that's trying to get a fix,
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  trying to steal this is this is a very sophisticated man that
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  knows the the systems and at this point has you know 100 plus
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  ransacking 50 plus sexual assaults.
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  He. Hadn't hit the 50 number he was
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  in the process. But he put on his way to.
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  That on his way to. And on his way to the assaults
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  he now has, he's now taking a person's life, a father's life,
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  who's trying to protect his daughter.
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  So shit's got real. And then of course, that's
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  warded his ability to take off with the kid.
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  So he. Left the kid there.
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  Starts stocking her, kicked her in the face a few times, punched
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  her, left her like just beat her for.
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  But she made it. Oh yes, she's OK, so she made
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  it. But he that thwarted what he
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  wanted to do. Which was take her to probably
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  another place that obviously changes the complexion of
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  everything, right? From a law enforcement
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  perspective. It's not the guy going in
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  sniffing panties right? Or peeping Tom kind of a
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  situation. And at this point, Pete, are we
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  still behind on are we still analog in the analog world where
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  they can't, you know, at this particular time when he offs the
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  dad and it's with the girl have has technology caught up where
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  you can analyze fibers yet or? No, still kind of at this point.
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  Yeah. Yeah, this is still in the mid
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  1970s. Right.
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  So we're still in the. Like the analog world, which is
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  essentially. That's what we'll call it, the
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  analog world, which is essentially a world where you
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  don't leave a digital footprint on a phone and they don't really
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  have the ability to check DNA. All right, so.
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  He analyzed Mr. Snelling and. She that that he he assaults
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  beats up the team. Yes.
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  And so now, of course, it's all hands on deck from the law
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  enforcement community. He is a officer from the
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  neighboring city over. And so now you're going to start
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  getting like cross collaborate. We're going to need more of your
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  guys because they start the Visalia Police Department, start
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  putting stakeouts, try to get a sense of OK, well, where's he
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  going to hit next? And that's one another one of
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  the details that had caused them to suspect that at one point
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  they had stakeouts around the city and the Bransacker would
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  strike, but he always missed. He always miss his municipality.
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  The stakeouts area, so if we got these three blocks, we're going
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  to watch and he the 4th. Block because he knew.
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  He knew where they were, he knew where the stakeouts were, so he
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  never, no matter how random, they would do the.
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  Stakeouts. The ransacker would miss the
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  stakeouts. Yeah.
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  And so the officer. And there probably comes, there
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  probably comes a, a point in police work where in their mind
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  and you, you, you obviously know more about this than me, but in
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  their mind, they're like, OK, no way it's cop.
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  No way it's a cop. No way it's a cop, no way it's a
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  cop. This is a bad guy.
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  And then it probably flips to when they there's so many, like
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  you said, I think it was it yet last episode when you said
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  there's no, there's no such thing as circumstantial
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  evidence. Oh, no, no, no, they they go
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  from the There's no such thing as a coincidence.
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  So it goes from like, OK, there's no way this is a cop.
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  There's no way this one of ours too.
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  They probably flip to say. Yeah, after you do 10152025
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  burglaries and there's no evidence like how's he able?
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  To not and then they're like, well, this isn't coincidence
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  too. Yeah, that's at some point now
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  the probabilities start stacking so high where it's like not
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  leaving any evidence behind on the one hand.
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  And then he's keeps hitting these strikes, but he's outside
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  of the the stakeout areas. It's like like nobody can get
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  that lucky. You can't just keep throwing
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  sevens. No.
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  And so you got to crap out. At some point, you certainly and
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  so. You big crap player.
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  No, I watch it and I play it. If I have a guy that knows what
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  he's doing, I'll play with him. But it's an it's an amazing
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  game. Sure.
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  Oh no, I studied. I meant the probability.
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  But no, I don't. No, no, I heard that
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  statistically in the casino, it's your best odds if you know
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  how to play. Yes, I, I it's what I heard,
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  yeah. That's the one where the house
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  has the least. Advantage.
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  Statistical edge. Right, so we got we got the guys
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  has the Ransacker Ransacker has escalated to now doing.
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  Sexual assaults and neon arriving of Mr. Snelling.
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  Obviously the police treat the situation much more seriously
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  and they start having the stakeouts throughout the city.
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  And one of the undercover detectives, d'angelo's on his
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  way to do another break in and a detective spots someone he
• 18:30
  considers nobody suspicious so he gets out of the car.
• 18:33
  Like, hey, freeze when he hits him with a flashlight, the guy's
• 18:38
  like, hey, you know the the D Angelo.
• 18:40
  OK, yeah, yeah, I surrender. And so when he gives the I
• 18:44
  surrender, he pulls out his firearm and.
• 18:46
  Shoots another officer. He shoots at the officer.
• 18:50
  He doesn't hit the officer, he hits the flashlight man.
• 18:56
  But now, of course, the officer has to take cover to protect
• 18:59
  himself. The Angelo's gone.
• 19:01
  Yeah, gone. And so.
• 19:03
  But now of course, they have a physical description, right?
• 19:07
  Because he didn't have the mask on or anything, so did he
• 19:09
  actually be able to give? More detail.
• 19:11
  Yes. So he's able to say, OK, this is
• 19:13
  the physical description. And the detective made the
• 19:16
  comment saying, you know, I've seen that guy somewhere before.
• 19:20
  He's a police officer from the neighboring city.
• 19:21
  Right. They're drilling down, aren't
• 19:23
  they, Pete? And so now, of course, D Angelo
• 19:26
  realizes this is man. Keep in mind this incident with
• 19:29
  the detective is only three months after the Snelling
• 19:32
  incident. So at this point, he's blown up
• 19:34
  the spot. So D'Angelo at this point, is he
• 19:36
  Like, I got to back this thing way down?
• 19:37
  No, what he does is he moves. He moves from the Visalia area
• 19:41
  up by Sacramento. And for people who don't
• 19:44
  understand California's geography really quick, Visalia
• 19:46
  is in the San Joaquin Valley agricultural Agri business type
• 19:50
  of town, located about midway between Los Angeles and San
• 19:54
  Francisco couple, 100 miles north of LA.
• 19:56
  People don't realize how geographically big California,
• 19:58
  oh, it's enormous. Enormous.
• 20:00
  Yeah. So he then moves probably, what,
• 20:03
  400 miles 02? 150 miles up to two. 150 miles
• 20:06
  north. North to Sacramento area.
• 20:07
  Now, of course, we're talking back in the 1970s.
• 20:10
  So this is, you know, rural enough to remember the old
• 20:12
  library card catalog systems. Well, this is the the police
• 20:15
  detective files, right? They.
• 20:18
  Just can't get on their computer.
• 20:19
  Yeah, the authorities in, you know, San Joaquin Valley aren't
• 20:23
  going to be able to just access Sacramento law enforcement
• 20:25
  databases. No, this is when detectives had
• 20:27
  to pick up the phone, get another guy on the phone, start
• 20:30
  comparing notes, maybe drive up there.
• 20:32
  Yeah, sure. That's why that's.
• 20:33
  How it did now? Was he able to get a police job?
• 20:35
  Yes, he transferred as a police officer from the Exeter Police
• 20:39
  Police Department over to Auburn.
• 20:40
  Auburn. So now he's up in the Sacramento
• 20:42
  area and this is where he starts.
• 20:45
  He goes on his three-year run with 50 plus assaults, focusing
• 20:54
  primarily on, like with the EE, Yeah, East Sacramento area,
• 20:59
  which at the time was like unincorporated territory.
• 21:02
  Now is that is that out of his patrol area?
• 21:04
  Yes. Yes.
• 21:05
  He broadens his area from East Sacramento as far down as like
• 21:10
  Stockton, which is like 50 miles away and down now got to like
• 21:14
  Modesto maybe 6570 miles away. That's his jam right now.
• 21:17
  So he's gone from ransacking to the close call with Snelling to
• 21:21
  the close call with the police officer to now he's relocated
• 21:26
  250 miles away. And now he's concentrating on,
• 21:30
  on, on the assaults on women. Yes, and but the same MO
• 21:34
  essentially because he has, you know the break in the the
• 21:36
  surveillance at a home, the the pre the break in the preliminary
• 21:39
  break in to get everything situated and then he executed.
• 21:44
  His assault, that's probably one of the reasons why he stayed at
• 21:46
  large for so long, because it wasn't.
• 21:48
  It wasn't it wasn't like, OK, I'm just really horny right now
• 21:52
  and I want to go do this. It was calculated.
• 21:54
  Whereas a lot of the people that are in this arena, they just see
• 21:57
  a chick and they just are, you know, overcome with, you know.
• 22:00
  And so this guy, because he because he bird dogged it and
• 22:04
  watched it from a farm, probably made him way more undetectable
• 22:07
  because it was calculated more so than impulse.
• 22:09
  Yeah, boy, he wasn't opportunistic, right?
• 22:13
  Yeah, he was much more calculated.
• 22:15
  But you made the statement about being horny really doesn't have
• 22:18
  anything to do with is this demented compulsion necessary to
• 22:23
  physically dominate the woman, Control, humiliate.
• 22:27
  These are psychologically driven.
• 22:28
  And if you look at all three aspects of it, Pete, you go from
• 22:32
  ransacking, which is a version of what you just said, having
• 22:36
  dominance and power over somebody.
• 22:38
  And terrorizing. And terrorizing to sexually
• 22:41
  assaulting and, and, and it that's the same, but escalated.
• 22:45
  And then you go to unaliving people and and then that is the
• 22:48
  ultimate. Well, at this point he hasn't.
• 22:50
  He's not going out looking to unalive, right?
• 22:53
  It may be incidental to his other conduct.
• 22:56
  Within these six people. Sick people's mind, Pete, Do
• 22:59
  they escalate it? Like, OK, ransacking is this
• 23:02
  little circle and kind of bored there.
• 23:05
  Let's go to having physical contact with them.
• 23:07
  For them, they. And OK.
• 23:09
  They need the thrill. And then I got to take it to the
• 23:11
  next level because it's not about sex or anything like that.
• 23:13
  It's about my sick, demented, controlling mind.
• 23:18
  And so now I have to take it to the to the third phase.
• 23:21
  Which is, you know, the FBI has done psychological analysis of
• 23:25
  these guys for her for decades. And so there is a manual
• 23:30
  essentially which breaks down whether they're organized,
• 23:33
  disorganized, and the motivations are generally the
• 23:37
  same. It's all going to be
• 23:38
  controllable, terror dominant, that kind of a thing.
• 23:40
  And how they express it is different.
• 23:43
  Like the signatures are case specific and we're going to get
• 23:49
  into one of them because it's really what distinguished sickle
• 23:52
  hear from other guys. But so he's in the midst of this
• 23:55
  fifty person run and naturally he's getting media coverage.
• 23:58
  People are saying, hey, look, what's going?
• 23:59
  This was and he was targeting single women.
• 24:01
  So we've gone from ransacking, which is over 100, to now we're
• 24:05
  going to. In the midst of the 50 women
• 24:07
  run. Right in the midst of and now
• 24:09
  we're in the midst of the 50 women run that have been
• 24:11
  assaulted. And yes, and media of course, is
• 24:13
  now covering this. Have they named him yet because
• 24:16
  he was the Ransacker when he was the Ransacker?
• 24:18
  Is this just? He's the east area graper.
• 24:22
  And he probably loves the fact that when he gets his attention
• 24:27
  media wise, that probably is part of.
• 24:29
  This business because that that feeds into their the the fantasy
• 24:33
  that they can construct for themselves.
• 24:35
  Or the validation of how they're a bad guy.
• 24:37
  Or. You know, later, later on as it
• 24:38
  progresses, like in the guy from last week, you see how he's
• 24:41
  taunting to family members. Right, right.
• 24:43
  Well, how does he hasn't gotten to the taunting part yet?
• 24:45
  Like that's a further. Down, but it's happening.
• 24:47
  It's coming. It's coming, it's coming.
• 24:49
  And so media coverage about him targeting single women.
• 24:52
  So he pivots and starts targeting couples.
• 24:56
  Oh. Because single women now are
• 24:59
  taking precautions. Right, single women are, you
• 25:02
  know, taking defence courses maybe.
• 25:04
  And they're calling them, you know, calling them a coward.
• 25:09
  Oh, you know, like these guys are coward.
• 25:11
  So the media now is kind of switched the narrative, whereas
• 25:14
  you're no longer a serial greatest, you know, you are now
• 25:18
  kind of a a coward, yeah, for picking on single women.
• 25:22
  So that probably, you know, triggers, right, Trick.
• 25:25
  There you go, triggers. Him.
• 25:26
  Yeah, triggers him, and so now he pivots where he starts.
• 25:29
  Oh, you want to call me a coward?
• 25:31
  All right, well, let me do this. Now and of course, but the same
• 25:34
  the same, you know, with the break in the preliminary goes in
• 25:36
  make sure everything is fine. How's he going to, he scans out,
• 25:39
  you know, schematics of the house, leaves the window open,
• 25:41
  leaves the back door open and he would find the firearms that
• 25:44
  would be in the house belonging to the man and remove the
• 25:47
  bullets. Wow that's even crazier.
• 25:52
  He'd pre break in see if they had any firearms.
• 25:55
  If they did, he wouldn't take them because you know, your
• 25:58
  husband would know that his pistol was gone, but your
• 26:01
  husband doesn't know if your pistols been taking the bullet.
• 26:04
  Like like, you know, I could I have a, a gun collection, you
• 26:09
  know, obviously it it, it, but I would not know.
• 26:14
  I just look at it and it's there.
• 26:16
  I wouldn't know if somebody took the bullets out, but I would
• 26:19
  know if it was gone. But I just look at it.
• 26:21
  I don't go and check it every time.
• 26:22
  Again, remember, this is the 1970s.
• 26:23
  So the city guy's got a revolver, right?
• 26:25
  So he, he just. He sees a revolver there.
• 26:27
  He sees a revolver next to his bed or under his pillow or
• 26:30
  whatever he kept there, and he's naturally assuming that the.
• 26:33
  Yeah. You don't go check it.
• 26:35
  And so the husband and wife, or the boyfriend girlfriend, they
• 26:38
  leave the house. He breaks in, he's got a
• 26:40
  shotgun. They return home.
• 26:44
  Now he confronts them. Now he has to neutralize the
• 26:48
  man. Yeah, that's just first thing.
• 26:50
  And So what he would do is, you know, get the guy laid down,
• 26:53
  he'd bring the, the, the ripe the ropes there or the wires,
• 26:57
  whatever he would use to secure it.
• 27:00
  So he'd tie the guy. Up.
• 27:01
  He wouldn't tie him up. He'd have to grow tie him up
• 27:04
  because he's got to hold the shotgun on them, so he holds the
• 27:06
  weapon on them. Her tied him up, then he ties
• 27:10
  her up because he can physically overpower her.
• 27:12
  So now he ties her up. Then he goes back and.
• 27:15
  And does the make sure the the knots are Mack daddy on old boy
• 27:18
  and. Then he has a specific specific
• 27:19
  style of knot called diamond knot.
• 27:22
  So he used a diamond knot that he had learned in the military.
• 27:25
  So he did. He goes through the his service,
• 27:27
  his experience with knots in the Navy.
• 27:29
  And so he's just a specific knot style to secure.
• 27:33
  So he's like, does the guy's feet?
• 27:35
  Does the guy's hands? So the guy is now disabled.
• 27:37
  Incapacitated. Locked.
• 27:38
  You know, you lay them on the ground, put the blindfold on
• 27:41
  them, takes a rag, stuff it in the guy's mouth.
• 27:43
  I can't scream, I can't do nothing.
• 27:46
  And he when, when he would, he'd take a stack of plates or
• 27:52
  teacups and he would set it on the guy's back and he'd tell him
• 27:59
  those plates fall. I hear those plates fall and
• 28:01
  crash. That's his trip wire, you and
• 28:04
  her. So the guy is just sitting there
• 28:05
  just absolutely trying to be. Balance.
• 28:08
  He's not moving. He can't move it because he's
• 28:09
  terrified. Terrified that if you know if
• 28:11
  the plates. Fall outs, we're all in trouble.
• 28:13
  We're all in trouble. So he just, he's just completely
• 28:15
  immobilized. And while he's there trying not
• 28:18
  to move, to knock off the plates, Scumbag takes the
• 28:21
  girlfriend or the wife into the living room and spends the next
• 28:24
  two hours assaulting her. And sometimes it'd be 3 hours.
• 28:27
  Sometimes it's for the poor guys on the I mean, it's terrible all
• 28:29
  the way around. And what was bad is like in the
• 28:32
  midst of that, like he'd take a break, go and get something to
• 28:35
  eat, go in the kitchen, get give himself a beer, talk to the guy
• 28:39
  like, yeah, your girl likes this, your girl likes that.
• 28:42
  And like, just like, and the guy's like, you can't move.
• 28:45
  He's got blindfold. I mean this is next level stuff.
• 28:48
  Oh yeah, terrible. This is neck I I I'm so glad
• 28:51
  we're talking about it because I've never heard about this and
• 28:54
  it's one of the most it's. Egregious.
• 28:55
  It's as egregious as I've heard. Yeah, it's, I mean.
• 28:58
  Why it didn't get more just get more coverage.
• 29:00
  I'm glad we're talking about it to get the word out, but my God,
• 29:03
  this is. Bad.
• 29:04
  Yeah, he literally, and like on one of the one of the guys, he
• 29:08
  had him down on the ground and he's like, hey, look, after I'm
• 29:10
  done here, I'm going to go visit Carol.
• 29:12
  Well, Carol's his mother like and he knew the mom's name where
• 29:16
  she lives so. He did the research and then
• 29:18
  he'd say, OK, I'm going to go get your mom, Carol, but.
• 29:21
  First, let me go finish off with dear.
• 29:22
  Y go, finish, off you go. See, Carol.
• 29:24
  And it's just. This isn't only physical, this
• 29:28
  is mental. This is just part of the mental
• 29:30
  thing is like he'd like, all right, yeah, I'm done here.
• 29:34
  Thank you. Had a good time, sweetheart.
• 29:36
  Got to go. And then they don't, you know,
• 29:39
  the woman's tied up. He's tied up.
• 29:41
  And they be like 20 minutes go by, 30 minutes go by, 40 minutes
• 29:44
  go by. And they're like, do you think
• 29:44
  he's gone? He's gone.
• 29:45
  OK, what are we going to do? What are we doing?
• 29:47
  Boom. He jump out from a closet.
• 29:48
  He hadn't left. Hold on.
• 29:50
  Really. Round 2 so.
• 29:53
  He'd say, OK, I'm out. Of here, I'm out of here.
• 29:55
  And then he really wouldn't go out of there.
• 29:57
  And then they would sit there and talk about themselves.
• 29:59
  OK, he's going on. Yeah, Yeah.
• 30:00
  He's gone, he's gone. Let's try to untie ourselves.
• 30:02
  And because he did not alive them, he'd.
• 30:04
  Spring out, he'd spray out what I tell you.
• 30:07
  I told you not to move. No, no, no, you just go another
• 30:10
  round. Oh my God, Pete, I am so glad
• 30:13
  you brought this. I'm, I am this.
• 30:15
  I am fascinated by this. I, I know our audience will be.
• 30:17
  I am fascinated by this guy, the Golden State Killer.
• 30:20
  The the the depravity was just. D'Angelo James, D'Angelo the
• 30:26
  gold. What a sick.
• 30:28
  Girl. So how many of those instances
• 30:32
  did he had? Over 50 / 50?
• 30:35
  Pretty much the same temple. That was his MO.
• 30:38
  When he would finally be done. Well, when he was finally, let's
• 30:41
  say 3 hours later and he was still he was still ransacking.
• 30:44
  Sure, yeah, he'd go go through her clothes, still doing the.
• 30:47
  Like you said, drink a beer, eat a sandwich.
• 30:49
  Have some of the guys steak. Hey.
• 30:51
  Yeah, this is pretty good. I'm gonna eat your dinner.
• 30:52
  And then would would he unalive them?
• 30:55
  No. No, he.
• 30:56
  Hadn't escalated to that yet. Remember the unalivings were
• 30:59
  incidental, like if someone. Right.
• 31:01
  So at this point, yeah, we only got one.
• 31:03
  We only got 1 unaliving on our tab which was the dad.
• 31:06
  No, it's the dad trying to protect the shelling.
• 31:08
  Yeah, shelling Mr. Snelling. Mr. Yeah, and trying to protect
• 31:12
  his daughter. And then we had another incident
• 31:14
  with a cop, but it hit his flashlight, the flashlight.
• 31:16
  So that's the closest we've come to.
• 31:18
  Yeah. Now, like in the midst of these,
• 31:22
  the 5050 spree, assault spree, there was another unaliving of a
• 31:27
  couple, I believe they were Majoris or something like that,
• 31:31
  and they happened to be out with walking the dog in the area.
• 31:37
  But now he confronts them because they saw him, they take
• 31:40
  off running, he gives chase and then analyze them.
• 31:43
  But it wasn't. It wasn't necessarily they
• 31:45
  weren't a target. Yeah, yeah, they just have a
• 31:47
  stands. Happened to see.
• 31:49
  Wrong place at the absolute worst time.
• 31:50
  So he was trying to do some crazy stuff.
• 31:53
  They saw him. He's like, I got to get rid of
• 31:56
  them because they witnessed me. So now he's got the, you know,
• 32:00
  the unaliveness of Visalia. He's got two of them up in the
• 32:03
  Sacramento area. Got 3 on our tab.
• 32:06
  But the guys in Visalia have no idea, because down there he's
• 32:09
  the Visalia Ransacker. Right up in Sacramento, he's the
• 32:12
  East Area graper. So he's got the ransacking
• 32:15
  gimmick that. Well, you got different task
• 32:18
  courses not realizing they're looking, but they're.
• 32:20
  Probably they're they're still probably trying to find the
• 32:22
  Ransacker. Aren't they?
• 32:22
  Well, sure, they're absolutely. They're still looking for this
• 32:24
  guy to, you know. Right.
• 32:26
  And now he's the graper. He's the Graper up in
• 32:28
  Sacramento. Up in Sacramento and.
• 32:31
  And but the geographical area is expense like I said, it goes
• 32:35
  down as far as Stockton and Modesto, which is 50 to 75 miles
• 32:38
  away. He starts going out as far as
• 32:41
  like Contra Costa, which is on the east side of the Bay, you
• 32:45
  know, across the go from San Francisco, across the Bay
• 32:47
  Bridge, going to Oakland as Alameda, then Contra Costa.
• 32:49
  So he's making his way out to a significant geographical.
• 32:52
  Area he keeps, kind of. And so, again, this is part of
• 32:56
  his institutional knowledge because he knows as a police
• 32:58
  officer that the detectives in Stockton aren't going to be able
• 33:03
  to get information. Or they could, of course, but
• 33:05
  they wouldn't have any reason to associate him with an incident
• 33:08
  in Oakland. Because technology isn't there,
• 33:10
  isn't there yet. And he knows that they're not
• 33:12
  they, just that they don't. They don't canvas each other
• 33:14
  like that. Yeah, they simply.
• 33:16
  The most? The most?
• 33:16
  Part they didn't have the capacity to seamlessly
• 33:19
  integrate. Especially if they didn't have
• 33:20
  any hard evidence. You know, you like you this this
• 33:22
  point, you know they did. They didn't have any idea that
• 33:24
  the that the the ransacker was the graper.
• 33:28
  They had no. Idea and you know, these men,
• 33:31
  they the scumbag from last week, Rex, he was a civilian engaging
• 33:37
  in death activity. And so they tend to stay in a
• 33:41
  particular geographical area. Like he'd bring the people back,
• 33:44
  the women back to his home like he had.
• 33:46
  That was part of his MO. Whereas what distinguished
• 33:49
  D'Angelo was the fact that he was law enforcement.
• 33:52
  He knew not to engage in the type of tactics that the
• 33:59
  authorities expect. And he had also the advantage of
• 34:04
  knowing where the authorities may be looking.
• 34:07
  You know, with with you're not hitting any of the stakeouts and
• 34:10
  stuff like that. In the Visalia area, that
• 34:11
  worked. That certainly was the case
• 34:13
  later on when he was living up in the Sacramento area.
• 34:16
  If you're, you know, 65 miles, 70 miles, that's another world
• 34:19
  back in the 70s and 80s. That's a whole another
• 34:21
  newspaper, a whole another news cycle.
• 34:22
  That's a whole another police force that's you know, so he
• 34:25
  would go far enough not to be a thing in his particular area,
• 34:30
  his agency. He didn't really know much about
• 34:32
  that stuff down there and he and that's why he was able to do to
• 34:36
  the tune that was the fifty person spree of sexual assault.
• 34:41
  Yes. OK, so then.
• 34:42
  So now he's up to three on the livings 100 and some odd break
• 34:45
  insurance 50 highly organized assaults on females, so many of
• 34:52
  them involving the the dish stacking.
• 34:54
  On the on the male partner. So we're still at the 50 on the
• 34:57
  on the assaults of which that gets into the dish stacking.
• 35:02
  Yeah, that's where he starts seeing elements of his
• 35:04
  signature. Right.
• 35:05
  And diamond knot, you know, sometimes 323 hours, you know.
• 35:10
  234. So that's where we are now.
• 35:12
  Yeah, and still the same thing now.
• 35:14
  Now he's just violating her physically, right, In addition
• 35:17
  to violating the the home and taking the sentimental things.
• 35:21
  I'll take this for myself. Thank you.
• 35:23
  So he's doing, he's doing assaults on women and also
• 35:28
  ransacking. And while while you're there,
• 35:30
  you might as well take that one earring, you might as well take
• 35:33
  that family, you know, picture. So sure, that's still involved
• 35:37
  in. So when do we go to Act 3?
• 35:41
  Well, what's interesting is he in the in the course of his
• 35:48
  police work, he gets arrested for shoplifting.
• 35:53
  This, this was the thing that didn't really ever really make
• 35:56
  sense. So while he's a cop up north,
• 35:58
  he. Gets arrested for shoplifting,
• 36:00
  but he's shoplifting what are essentially breaking tools,
• 36:03
  right? And you know, repellent, Like if
• 36:07
  you're breaking into a house, what do they got?
• 36:08
  A Rottweiler. Yeah, you shoot them with some.
• 36:10
  Bear sprayer, bear repellent, whatever the repellent is, and.
• 36:13
  Pepper spray back then. They it was like a repellent,
• 36:17
  like they had bear repellent back in.
• 36:19
  Especially living in rural California, you know, you
• 36:22
  probably had bear bear spray before we did.
• 36:24
  But the authorities didn't connect him with like they
• 36:27
  didn't say, well, why has he got breaking tools and repellent
• 36:30
  like most people? If you're like a civilian, I go,
• 36:32
  OK, what do you we know what you're doing.
• 36:33
  Yeah. So they don't.
• 36:35
  They allowed him to plead out the probation.
• 36:38
  He doesn't get a felony, so that information doesn't make its way
• 36:43
  into the felony federal databases.
• 36:45
  So even later on when the FBI gets involved.
• 36:47
  This is a local yokel deal. This is a local yokel deal.
• 36:50
  Right now. Was it within the jurisdiction
• 36:52
  of where he was a cop? He got fired from the police
• 36:54
  force. All right for this, For this.
• 36:57
  OK, so now he's no longer a cop and.
• 36:59
  He's no longer a cop, but of course he still understands.
• 37:02
  Oh yeah, he has the knowledge of a cop, he just doesn't have the
• 37:04
  power of a. Cop.
• 37:05
  And he'll never lose the knowledge.
• 37:07
  But now does that piss him off? Where is that?
• 37:10
  Where is it because he is no longer a cop, got fired, got
• 37:13
  caught? Does that escalate to where we?
• 37:15
  Now it triggers into. Yeah, the going out for the
• 37:19
  purposes. Right.
• 37:20
  They're like, OK, I'm no longer a cop, which is something I
• 37:22
  loved a lot and something that also is a person that's power
• 37:26
  hungry. You know, you have power over
• 37:28
  people. You've taken that gimmick away
• 37:30
  from me. So now I'm really going to.
• 37:32
  I need to satisfy that sickness some way, shape or form.
• 37:36
  Being a cop may have kept some of that sickness quelled at the
• 37:40
  end of the day, where he could still be a an authoritarian
• 37:43
  figure. While he's a cop that might not
• 37:46
  have that might have kept him satisfied enough not to have to
• 37:49
  go do the final phase of what he did what he's what he's most.
• 37:52
  Noted for of course. Now this is when it triggers the
• 37:55
  the apex predator and that's when he gets into the spree of
• 38:05
  unalivings which take place over the course of A7 year period.
• 38:09
  So let's start with unaliving one if we could.
• 38:13
  Well, he had just. He took set, you said.
• 38:15
  How many? It's at least 10.
• 38:17
  At least 10. But now he leaves Northern
• 38:20
  California, leaves the Sacramento area, leaves the Bay
• 38:23
  Area, comes to Southern California.
• 38:25
  From Los Angeles to Sacramento or from Los Angeles to San
• 38:29
  Francisco, you know you're talking 400 miles, 450 miles.
• 38:34
  And so he makes his way down from Northern Cal down to
• 38:36
  Southern Cal. And that's a whole another you
• 38:39
  lived it. That's a whole another world in
• 38:41
  itself, being in the LA rat race, so to speak.
• 38:43
  Right. Sure.
• 38:44
  And so and then the strikes occur in different counties.
• 38:48
  So he starts off in like there's one in Santa Barbara County,
• 38:51
  there's one in Ventura County, there's one in Los Angeles
• 38:53
  County, there's one in Orange County, and there's multiples.
• 38:57
  But he's now operating in this 5 county area.
• 39:00
  None of the detectives realize it's all the same guy.
• 39:02
  And there's still analog where the five counties probably don't
• 39:05
  talk. And they so now in Southern
• 39:07
  California, there's rumblings of they, they initially give the
• 39:15
  guy the nickname the Night Stalker, not to be confused with
• 39:18
  the one later on that's Richard Ramirez became he's that's why
• 39:21
  they he becomes known as the original Night Stalker.
• 39:24
  Right, this is the OG Night Stalker.
• 39:26
  Not Ramirez. Not Ramirez, who went on to be
• 39:28
  the most. Famous of the night stalkers.
• 39:30
  But so the media or the the the journalists, they now are
• 39:35
  putting these together. But they're not all of them
• 39:37
  together, right? Because, you know, Santa Barbara
• 39:38
  is not really close to LA I. Know no, not by digital, I'm
• 39:42
  sorry, by analog standards. But you know, the ones
• 39:45
  concentrating the LA area, Ventura, Orange County, that's
• 39:48
  just, that's all Los Angeles and.
• 39:49
  So they deem them the Night Stalker.
• 39:51
  Yeah. And so now the the the
• 39:53
  detectives down in Southern Cal are targeting D'Angelo as the
• 39:58
  Night Stalker, not knowing that he's also the East Area Graper.
• 40:02
  And if I say you're a ransacker? Right.
• 40:05
  Ransacker first, Graper second. Now we're the night stalk.
• 40:09
  Yeah, the original. And we're going geographically,
• 40:12
  bam, bam, bam. Yes.
• 40:14
  And so over the course of the next, you know, let's say 7
• 40:20
  years, he was responsible for at least ten of the and a number of
• 40:26
  kidnappings. Now so from.
• 40:29
  And he's continuing to do the salt also.
• 40:31
  All right, so. He just got it.
• 40:33
  He's got his whole bag of tricks.
• 40:35
  Yeah, he's gone. He's.
• 40:36
  But he's taking it to the next level.
• 40:37
  Now. Now it's.
• 40:38
  Instead of just doing the sexual assault on the wife the husband
• 40:41
  has. To break his mouth, doing this,
• 40:43
  doing having his way, and then just unalighing him.
• 40:45
  Right, so now he's doing what he did as a Graper, but now instead
• 40:50
  of just leaving and having them all mine screwed you now are the
• 40:54
  final aspect of it is I'm going to go ahead and take care, take
• 40:57
  your life so that so you just basically everything is
• 41:01
  escalated like the the ransacker was a variation of the graper.
• 41:07
  They they all just kind of escalate up to where now OK, I'm
• 41:10
  going to break in sexually assault, do the play.
• 41:12
  But now my final verdict is I'm going to take your life.
• 41:15
  Well, he's still using the plates down in Southern
• 41:17
  California. Oh yeah.
• 41:18
  That's the that's the trip. That's his gimmick.
• 41:20
  That's how we use it to neutral the threat posed by the man,
• 41:22
  right? He has away with the women and
• 41:25
  then. So from 79 to 86 to 86, yes.
• 41:29
  So 7 or so years. At least at least 10.
• 41:34
  At least 10. Well, when he ultimately got
• 41:36
  knocked off, got arrested in 2018, he pled.
• 41:39
  In 2020, he stipulated to 13 on a live in total.
• 41:45
  When and this is just fairly recent, yes, you know, so 7986.
• 41:50
  He's got at least 10. We have eventually find out it
• 41:53
  was 13. Well, we got the three from
• 41:55
  that's two in Sacramento, you got the one in Visalia.
• 41:57
  So now you're up to at least 13. At least 13.
• 42:00
  So did the MO Still like you said it was.
• 42:03
  It was the same as when he was gaping up in up north with the
• 42:08
  plates on the back. Diamond knot, except he would
• 42:11
  end it with instead of just leaving and keeping a mind
• 42:14
  screwed, he would take their lives.
• 42:16
  Yeah, and and and some of the the the the way he on a live
• 42:20
  were just like the women were just, you know, with pipes and
• 42:24
  stuff. I mean, it's just, it's.
• 42:26
  Horrible. Now we're not.
• 42:27
  Going to can't get into it because of.
• 42:29
  YouTube right? I understand but would he then
• 42:33
  try to? When he went on a live did he
• 42:35
  just leave him? He would never try to do like
• 42:38
  the Gilgo guy. Yeah, like one family.
• 42:40
  The, the, the, the family was on vacation.
• 42:43
  The young adult daughter was home, right?
• 42:46
  So she was at work. The family's gone.
• 42:47
  She, he underlieves her. And the house was in the process
• 42:50
  of getting shown for sale. And the realtor shows up to show
• 42:54
  the house. And, and he's got a woman, a
• 42:57
  she, the, the realtor's got a woman who just went through
• 42:59
  that. I'm going through that with this
• 43:00
  guy. Wow, So ten of those.
• 43:03
  Ten of those. Now where does he goes dormant
• 43:05
  in 1986? So he stops.
• 43:07
  Stops, which is unusual. Night Stalker stops in 86?
• 43:10
  Yes, those 79 to 86 has at least 10.
• 43:13
  Well, because remember, don't forget, during that era also we
• 43:15
  had other incidences going on. We had the real nights, the.
• 43:19
  Subsequent Ramirez. People don't like, did he do
• 43:23
  those? He had like, all these wild
• 43:26
  goose chases, right? And so they just come off
• 43:30
  Charles Manson a decade earlier. Yes, yeah.
• 43:34
  So, you know, they, they had, you know, I don't know where the
• 43:37
  Melendez brothers, that was a little bit poor towards the 80s,
• 43:40
  wasn't it? Yeah, that was awesome.
• 43:41
  But that was a little bit later. That was a little bit.
• 43:42
  Later right up and I was still in high school like late 80s in
• 43:45
  Beverly Hills. In 86, he stops.
• 43:47
  He stops, he goes dormant, and I haven't been able to discern why
• 43:51
  because usually these guys don't stop.
• 43:53
  No, because everything prior to that was an escalation.
• 43:55
  Escalation now either like you know, they get older, they they
• 43:59
  lose testosterone, they either age out, they get apprehended or
• 44:04
  they get, you know, unaligned in a bus accident, a car hits him
• 44:08
  or whatever, you know, but this guy for whatever when he stops,
• 44:11
  however, subsequent to going dormant in 86, he's this is
• 44:16
  where you start getting into the taunting.
• 44:18
  Now he's calling up the woman from five years ago.
• 44:20
  Hey, remember when I came saw you?
• 44:21
  These guys just can't help themselves.
• 44:24
  Just like the the Gilgo Beach guy when he called up the sister
• 44:27
  and said, you know, started kind of boasting about what he had
• 44:31
  done. You know, had that there's
• 44:33
  probably a portion of these sickos that we cover, Pete.
• 44:36
  Had they not been taking it to that level, they may not have
• 44:40
  gotten caught. He in the Gilgo, certainly that
• 44:45
  was a major contribution. I don't believe it really
• 44:49
  contributed to that too much here, simply because it was just
• 44:52
  a matter of technology catching up with the evidence.
• 44:55
  So he then in 86 stopped and then.
• 44:58
  But he just can't help himself. From 1991 to 2001, and this is
• 45:03
  now 15 years after the last, on arriving, he's still doing the
• 45:07
  tormenting. He's calling.
• 45:08
  He's calling the police and taunting him.
• 45:11
  He's calling the newspapers. Because he yearns for the
• 45:14
  validation to be a bad guy, so he wants to keep the case.
• 45:19
  You want to say don't lose. He wants to keep the attention.
• 45:21
  Hey, like, don't forget. Right, don't forget, don't
• 45:23
  forget, I'm the nights. I'm out here somewhere, you
• 45:25
  know, that's where, that's where the you see the depravity.
• 45:29
  Right. And now the circumstances change
• 45:32
  because in 2001, DNA testing had advanced to the point where they
• 45:38
  were able to go back and start testing, you know, the backlogs.
• 45:40
  Right, right, the cold case files.
• 45:42
  So now you've got the, you know, when a, when a woman is
• 45:44
  assaulted, obviously there's going to be a medical
• 45:46
  examination for sure. She's OK.
• 45:48
  And then there's a kit where they collect the evidence.
• 45:50
  Right, they call it. They call it the Kit.
• 45:51
  OK. And so.
• 45:53
  And within the kit is any bodily fluids exchanged, hair follicle
• 45:58
  and fiber. 2001 they were able to match the on alive inks from
• 46:07
  Northern California to one of them from Southern California.
• 46:11
  So they realized, uh oh, the East area Graper is the original
• 46:15
  Night Stalker. In O1 when they.
• 46:17
  Finally that happened. They they could put these two
• 46:20
  together and then that probably just opened.
• 46:22
  Up. Well, yeah, he's still not, he's
• 46:23
  still not the Golden State at that point.
• 46:25
  Yeah, he's. But he's now the combined East
• 46:27
  area Original Night Stalker. Well, of course this is early on
• 46:32
  in the Internet days, probably pre social media, but blogging
• 46:35
  had become popular and the publication of that information
• 46:40
  that these two disparate of circumstances are actually one
• 46:44
  triggered a frenzy of citizen detectives that were essentially
• 46:49
  now. Blogging or blogging or just
• 46:51
  they're, they're blogging, you know, like.
• 46:52
  But they had access to the information.
• 46:54
  They can go back and pull up every article from the 1970s in
• 46:56
  the Fresno B and you can, you know, the Contra cost of Times,
• 46:59
  LA Times and so you had a a community of.
• 47:04
  Of Internet Salute. Salute, so to speak.
• 47:06
  That's right. That's right.
• 47:07
  That for the next 10 years. And they didn't have really a
• 47:10
  lot to do on the Internet, so they could just really kind of
• 47:12
  hammer down on this. The details.
• 47:15
  And there wasn't, you know, gaming is like it is today or
• 47:18
  there wasn't as many things to distract you on the Internet as
• 47:21
  there are now. So you have a whole community
• 47:23
  there. Be like, man, I'm going.
• 47:24
  To they're tearing apart every aspect of all of these, you
• 47:28
  know, unsolved cases. Try to link them all together.
• 47:32
  And so there's a woman, a writer lived in Los Angeles.
• 47:38
  She becomes consumed with this case.
• 47:42
  And so, in 2009, she starts. And that's been a long time.
• 47:49
  You know but it but now it's eight years after the the
• 47:52
  unification of the targets and she.
• 47:57
  Mitchell. Mitchell She starts her true
• 48:00
  crime blog where she does like deep dives into every aspect of
• 48:08
  what she now believes is this huge data set targeting one
• 48:11
  individual. She's the one who gives it the
• 48:13
  name Golden State Killer. So Mitchell, this independent
• 48:17
  journalist who was really drilling down on the facts, that
• 48:20
  was at her fingertips. And a writer, so she ends up
• 48:22
  writing a book about her efforts with respect to the
• 48:24
  investigation. Goes on to become a New York
• 48:26
  Times bestseller. So she deems.
• 48:29
  The Golden when she gave him that name.
• 48:31
  Yeah, it. Captured the attention of the
• 48:34
  authorities. Now the the FBI is all in, of
• 48:37
  course you've got. Well, it kind of unified the
• 48:39
  effort when you got a, when you got a fancy name to a bad guy,
• 48:44
  It makes everybody want to rally behind law enforcement and
• 48:48
  potentially find this bad. Guy And of course you've got
• 48:50
  this huge community of people that are now emotionally
• 48:53
  invested, you know, a decade worth of citizen salutes.
• 48:56
  And at this point, they don't even know where this is going.
• 48:59
  Right. They just scratched the surface.
• 49:02
  Yes and so, but now you have a. Thank God for Mitchell.
• 49:06
  The end of the true crime blogging community.
• 49:09
  Right. Sure.
• 49:10
  That she ultimately emerged out of.
• 49:12
  So between their efforts and then her writing the book and
• 49:16
  publicizing it and giving a really catchy name.
• 49:19
  For the books called I'll Be Gone in the Dark.
• 49:22
  One woman's obsessive search for the Golden State Killer.
• 49:26
  New York Times bestseller. New York Times bestseller.
• 49:29
  And then that really probably solidifies and validates the
• 49:33
  hunt cause at this point they didn't have them, did they?
• 49:35
  No, no, at this point he's still at large.
• 49:40
  So even while the book's a best seller, it.
• 49:42
  Galvanizes public interest, and of course it's going to.
• 49:45
  Galvanized law enforcement interests and of course nothing
• 49:48
  is going to invite the FBI to come in and try to glide onto
• 49:52
  the credit than anything of a high profile nature.
• 49:55
  It makes the FBI not look so good that now we got a New York
• 49:59
  Times bestseller from a woman who's done all this evidence and
• 50:02
  and done all this gathering and or a community that's got all
• 50:05
  this and you guys haven't got the bad guy well.
• 50:07
  It's dumb. You really can't blame the FBI
• 50:12
  only because it's not federal offenses.
• 50:15
  Yeah, you're right on that you. Know there's not.
• 50:17
  It's not like they're going to come in and take over the
• 50:19
  investigation. It's all a California.
• 50:20
  It's all a California authorities.
• 50:21
  I mean, I'm normally not in a position of defending the FBI,
• 50:26
  but it just particular. Certainly.
• 50:27
  Yeah, you're not. That's not.
• 50:28
  But it's also a way to get them caught on the case it.
• 50:31
  Gets them involved because they of course have the, the
• 50:34
  state-of-the-art, the best forensic laboratories in the
• 50:36
  world and you know, they have obviously very talented
• 50:40
  technicians and so. They got a bunch of Tom Simons
• 50:43
  running around there. Oh, yes, yes, that's right.
• 50:45
  That are smart as hell. The smartest?
• 50:47
  Hell yeah. Yeah.
• 50:48
  And so now the next big break in the case.
• 50:50
  So you've got the 2001 unification.
• 50:52
  Now he's the the what the preludes what becomes the Golden
• 50:57
  State so. Let me ask you a question, Pete,
• 50:58
  to back up what was his when he was just when he was just the
• 51:01
  ransacker? What was the very first known
• 51:05
  date of ransacking? 1974.
• 51:07
  So night. So we got 1974.
• 51:09
  This starts in 74 and now we're at 2010 and 10.
• 51:14
  With the publication of the book.
• 51:15
  Right. So we got all that period.
• 51:17
  Where? He's completely, you know.
• 51:19
  He's he's had his run, he had a 12 year run with the 13 alive
• 51:22
  wings, 13 alive kidnappings over 50 there's.
• 51:25
  So many things on. The sky tab, yes.
• 51:28
  This guy's a bad guy. And with the continuing
• 51:31
  taunting, right? So they don't know if he's
• 51:34
  continuing to do stuff because obviously there's other women
• 51:37
  subsequently getting assaulted. I don't know.
• 51:38
  Is it him? Did he travel to?
• 51:40
  Right, this part of California. So now things that he probably
• 51:42
  he didn't even do now. Are potentially.
• 51:45
  Get your like maybe this you know.
• 51:46
  Maybe, maybe he's in San Diego, or maybe he's in, you know, or
• 51:49
  he could be calling and taunting him saying, yeah, I was just in
• 51:51
  San Diego. Now when he would call and taunt
• 51:54
  the police, would he say? This is the.
• 51:56
  Garden the Garden State. This is the garden.
• 51:58
  State no, no, at this point he hadn't gotten I mean.
• 52:00
  Golden State, Yeah. He's, oh, he hadn't gotten the
• 52:02
  Monica. Yeah, he hadn't.
• 52:02
  Gotten the Monica. So when he's calling, he's
• 52:04
  taunting him and he's he's the area graper.
• 52:06
  So he's got them. He's got like, they're like, you
• 52:08
  know? Like the other thing they're
• 52:09
  chasing, like I said, they're. Chasing their tail.
• 52:11
  They're all just chasing their tail.
• 52:12
  The next big break is the detectives that come in working
• 52:18
  in conjunction now with the FBI as a consulting.
• 52:21
  They haven't taken over the case, but they're they're
• 52:23
  providing a, a, a supporting role.
• 52:26
  And they start going through all of the evidence of a physical
• 52:31
  nature, semen. I don't know if we can get away
• 52:32
  with saying that. OK, yeah, yeah.
• 52:34
  They start going through all the forensic type genetic evidence
• 52:37
  that they have. And one of the detectives
• 52:41
  decides, you know what? Working with one of the genetic
• 52:44
  specialists, they take the material of the individual that
• 52:50
  they knew was tied into the Northern California 1 and
• 52:52
  Southern California 1. Right at that point, they'd put
• 52:54
  those. 2 together, those two together and they go and they
• 52:58
  check on public versions of genetic databases, kind of like
• 53:03
  a 23andMe. Yeah, because back then they
• 53:06
  would do the a cheek swab to prisoners and people that were
• 53:09
  apprehended and things like that.
• 53:11
  So there wasn't, I don't think there was a 23.
• 53:13
  There was a there was a in federal prison.
• 53:16
  We did, Yeah, yeah. I don't know about the state,
• 53:18
  but they they were, they had to be collect, begun collecting
• 53:20
  evidence of that nature early 2000. 23andMe wasn't around
• 53:23
  where people just objectively gave it to you, but they would
• 53:26
  get in certain instances whether you've been incarcerated.
• 53:29
  Or they they were already public, publicly available
• 53:32
  genetic databases. Just not nearly as popular as
• 53:35
  they are now. And so the the detectives ran it
• 53:37
  through and they were able to identify individuals that are
• 53:44
  like they were descendants from the same great, great
• 53:48
  grandfather. So they were able to.
• 53:50
  To get a genetic lead, right? So they're like maybe 4
• 53:53
  generations away. 3 generations ago. 4 generations ago.
• 53:56
  But it was such, you know, you at that point, you may only be 3
• 54:00
  generations away, but there's not a lot of people in that
• 54:03
  bucket. But now you have of humanity,
• 54:05
  yeah, now you have a subset that you're saying, OK, well, we've
• 54:07
  got 5 different groupings that descended from this guy from the
• 54:13
  1860, right. And this is where I'm sure the
• 54:15
  FBI was able to come involved because some of them are people
• 54:19
  just don't stay in California. You got, you know, who knows
• 54:21
  where to go following up, right? So now the FBI, working in
• 54:24
  conjunction with the local authorities, have to start the
• 54:26
  process of filtering. And looking at markers and.
• 54:30
  So this you know, of course this is a multi year process.
• 54:32
  Sure, absolutely. But ultimately they were able to
• 54:35
  come to D'Angelo this This happened in 2017.
• 54:40
  And so he hadn't offended since 86, since 86.
• 54:44
  So now you're taunted. He taunted to 2001, right?
• 54:48
  So now at this point, he's quiet because he's gotten a lot of
• 54:51
  attention. And he's smart, like I mean he's
• 54:53
  an ex cop. I don't know how smart he is,
• 54:54
  but he's. An ex cop.
• 54:55
  So he knows I got a lay low that's.
• 54:56
  Right. I remember, forget, remember.
• 54:57
  He was born in the 1940s. It's now 2010 and he's in his
• 55:01
  60s. And he and he hadn't taunted
• 55:03
  since O1. After they were able to link the
• 55:05
  two, the Northern and Southern California incidences, I think
• 55:09
  he started. I haven't seen any indication
• 55:10
  that he continued writing. 2010, the book comes out, FBI, you
• 55:14
  know, really, really helping California authorities, They
• 55:17
  find DNA markers dating back to his great, great, great
• 55:20
  grandfather. They're able to reverse engineer
• 55:22
  it. Come to a common thread and it
• 55:24
  spits out. Break out into different
• 55:27
  branches, right? And so now you have to follow up
• 55:30
  on every one of the sure to eliminate.
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  Though some are probably dead, you know some are not.
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  I mean they some naturally. Die through the filtering
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  process they get to DeAngelo. They forget to James DeAngelo.
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  That's right. And so then.
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  After all, that peers down. This is 2017 when they whittle
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  it down to him. So then they were able to
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  extract genetic material from the door handle on his car.
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  And just like the guy from with the pizza crust last week, Rex,
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  same thing this week. They get they go through the
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  tractor able to get a napkin with DNA and genetic material on
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  it. Go get you.
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  Remember last week I was like, oh, Pete, if you're careful and
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  you're like Bubba, they'll get you stop.
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  Don't even think about it. Like they'll, they'll sit out
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  there and get your garbage and find out your piece of toilet
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  paper and get a piece of feces if they yeah, yeah, like you.
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  Know you're blowing your nose on tea or something, whatever.
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  They get some from his door handle on his car, some leftover
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  stuff in his garbage and at that point?
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  They execute the arrest they got April 2018.
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  And so he gets, you know, he gets initially he gets charged
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  and he it's it's a capital prosecution because it's the
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  unalivens with special circumstances.
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  And of course the you know, the kidnappings, you know the statue
• 56:40
  of limitations is ran on many of the offenses.
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  Most of the ransacking's done. Yeah, they they all look the
• 56:46
  guy's looking at. Yeah, I mean when you when
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  you've unalived. A a dozen 10 people, you're not.
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  They're not worried about the burglar.
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  They're not worried about you sniffing some girls panties back
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  in 77, am I? Right.
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  I'm sure that's. I'm like, you know, whatever,
• 56:59
  but we got we got 10 at this point, they know 10 on alive
• 57:04
  beings that are locked in on this guy based on DNA.
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  Yeah. So when he gets arrested in 18,
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  this is a 72 year old man. And so I mean, obviously it's
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  going to give an opportunity for the victims and the people to
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  get a moment of closure. But so he gets arrested in 18,
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  they take him into custody, he's going through the pretrial
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  process and California obviously brought initiated capital
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  charges. 2020 the pandemic kicks off sure.
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  And. And he's still going through the
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  process. And, you know, the state of
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  California up until that point was unwilling to negotiate the
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  case. But with the pandemic now, you
• 57:42
  had a problem because a lot of the people were older, right?
• 57:45
  He's now well into his 70s. You lot of.
• 57:47
  Lot of victims are probably gone at this.
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  Point A lot of victims are gone and there's got a social
• 57:51
  distance. You can't be in the court.
• 57:52
  Everybody's 6 feet away and it's not.
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  And California was as strict about that as anybody.
• 57:57
  They were absolutely crazy about it.
• 57:59
  California was Ground Zero on people being uptight over this.
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  Stuff, yeah, everything I shut down.
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  And so we in his in his particular circumstance because
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  of the pandemic and the logistical challenges with and
• 58:14
  paneling a jury. Not only, but a lot of our
• 58:17
  victims have probably naturally gone.
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  Exhausted and it's like I said like older people and he's older
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  and so the like so they were they agreed to come off of the
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  capital nature in exchange for a settlement for life which is
• 58:30
  ultimately what resulted in so in 2020 he.
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  Pleads. PLED because as a result of the
• 58:35
  pandemic, he ends up catching a break, right and.
• 58:38
  Because they were going to condemn him.
• 58:39
  Oh yeah, absolutely. And he catches a break.
• 58:43
  Life with no parole. Life.
• 58:44
  With no parole. And that's where we are today.
• 58:47
  And so he's still in, of course, in California State prison,
• 58:50
  still here. They got him in protective
• 58:52
  custody. Yeah, I mean, wow, yeah, man
• 58:54
  like that. And they got him with 13 and
• 58:57
  then hard telling how many essays mean.
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  He he acknowledged over 50. Well, yeah, but part of the
• 59:04
  unaliving were an essay too, you know.
• 59:08
  It's over 50, right? We don't have a number because
• 59:10
  he. Just think about how I don't
• 59:12
  want to say lucky because this is not certainly the word I want
• 59:15
  to use. But when he was in his second
• 59:17
  phase, you know, we went to ransacking, then we went to, you
• 59:20
  know, the sexual assaults over 50.
• 59:23
  And then it goes to the third phase, which involved assault
• 59:26
  with unlike unaliving people. But think of that second sub
• 59:30
  sect of like, listen, I wouldn't nobody would want this have to
• 59:35
  sit there with plates on your back and and a rag in your
• 59:37
  mouth. But you know, at that point he
• 59:39
  hadn't escalated to unaliven people.
• 59:42
  Think about how lucky those people were, because you know,
• 59:45
  he had it. The next step was to incorporate
• 59:49
  that with unaliven. Think about how just Oh my God,
• 59:53
  how mine after you would be sitting there and then, like you
• 59:58
  said, they would sometimes, you know, say OK, it's been 20
• 1:00:01
  minutes. I think we're good.
• 1:00:02
  Start untying me. I'll untie you.
• 1:00:03
  And then he pops up. Hey, like, I mean, I told you
• 1:00:07
  God. Yeah, wow.
• 1:00:09
  James D'Angelo. One of Indianos of American
• 1:00:14
  serial offenders. What a.
• 1:00:17
  Great episode, Pete and the information and and this is the
• 1:00:21
  thing. This is one of the one of the
• 1:00:22
  worst, one of the worst cases of mentally abusing somebody while
• 1:00:29
  physically abusing them. And it's a very little known
• 1:00:32
  case. A lot of people don't know about
• 1:00:33
  this. I mean, I didn't really know
• 1:00:35
  about a just a complexity of how sick of a person he was.
• 1:00:39
  And he was a two time or three time law enforcement guy.
• 1:00:42
  And you know, Gee, Oh my Lord, great, great work, Pete.
• 1:00:46
  That's that's why we got them. I just asked the questions.
• 1:00:49
  This guy brings it home. We'll have a next one next week.
• 1:00:52
  Can we give them, do you know what?
• 1:00:53
  Can I give them a tease? What next week it'll be?
• 1:00:55
  Or is that to be it? To be continued.
• 1:00:57
  Well, I'm doing research on a couple more, so I'll let you
• 1:00:59
  know. That's Pete way of saying Bubba
• 1:01:00
  be quiet. I'm doing research on a couple
• 1:01:03
  more appreciate you. It's deadly intentions with Pete
• 1:01:07
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