Latest / Wrongful Conviction / #461 Jason Flom with Anthony Legion
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- 0:03Speaker 1: In the early morning hours of January twenty fourth, two
- 0:06Speaker 1: thousand and one, gunfire erupted in front of a house
- 0:10Speaker 1: in Detroit, Michigan. Twenty five year old Jamon Mcatyre ran
- 0:14Speaker 1: toward a nearby alley, where his assailants finished the job. Initially,
- 0:20Speaker 1: two alleged witnesses claimed that they didn't see the assailants,
- 0:24Speaker 1: but a few weeks later, one of them identified three
- 0:28Speaker 1: men from a photo array, including Anthony Legion. Despite claims
- 0:34Speaker 1: of innocence from all three men, an alleged cellmate claimed
- 0:37Speaker 1: that they said differently in private, but this is wrongful conviction.
- 0:50Speaker 1: Wrongful conviction has always given voice to innocent people in prison,
- 0:53Speaker 1: and now we're expanding that voice to you. Call us
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- 1:12Speaker 1: a future episode. Call us A three three two oh
- 1:15Speaker 1: seven four six sixty six. Welcome back to Wrongful Conviction,
- 1:28Speaker 1: where we've got another Detroit case that involves a drug house,
- 1:32Speaker 1: a dirty cop playing both sides, a dead body, no
- 1:36Speaker 1: white witnesses, only fabrications, including a jailhouse snitch, and it
- 1:42Speaker 1: appears that a drug syndicate may have been pulling a
- 1:44Speaker 1: lot of the strings here and joining us, one of
- 1:47Speaker 1: the survivors of this insane story, Anthony Legion, Anthony, thanks
- 1:52Speaker 1: for doing.
- 1:52Speaker 2: This with us, Thanks for having me and returning.
- 1:55Speaker 1: To help tell this story. A guy who we met
- 1:57Speaker 1: in New Orleans at the twenty twenty four Innocent Network Conference,
- 2:00Speaker 1: civil rights attorney Wolf Muller. Wolf, welcome back to Ronful Conviction.
- 2:04Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you for having me.
- 2:06Speaker 1: And you may remember Wolf from Daryl Siggers's story. Another
- 2:09Speaker 1: case out of Detroit where it seems like police misconduct
- 2:12Speaker 1: was basically the norm, especially when it came to fabricating
- 2:17Speaker 1: witness testimony and using jailhouse snitches.
- 2:22Speaker 3: The Detroit Police Department and particularly the homicide section in
- 2:26Speaker 3: the late nineteen eighties, all through the nineteen nineties and
- 2:29Speaker 3: extending the early two thousands, if they had a weak case,
- 2:33Speaker 3: they would recruit some snitch, typically from what would be
- 2:37Speaker 3: the ninth floor jail, where you're only supposed to be
- 2:39Speaker 3: held there for about forty eight hours before you get
- 2:41Speaker 3: transferred to the county jail. But some of these guys
- 2:44Speaker 3: on a ninth floor were in the ninth floor lockup
- 2:47Speaker 3: for a year or more and they had sheets over
- 2:51Speaker 3: their cells which were off to the side. They had VCRs,
- 2:55Speaker 3: they had TVs, they had food, they had drink, they
- 2:58Speaker 3: had everything because they were regular snitches for the DPD.
- 3:02Speaker 3: And what three of them have said under oath is
- 3:04Speaker 3: we would get discovery packages from the detectives, told to
- 3:08Speaker 3: memorize it, a handwritten statement from the homicide detective saying
- 3:13Speaker 3: how this guy confessed and all you had to do
- 3:15Speaker 3: was sign it. And so they had these extra benefits
- 3:18Speaker 3: that nobody knew about. And then one guy got off
- 3:20Speaker 3: on a second degree murder charge which was twelve to
- 3:23Speaker 3: twenty five years after doing seven years, and the testimony
- 3:25Speaker 3: from one of the homicide detectives was he's helped us
- 3:28Speaker 3: out in about twenty cases. Well, there is no way
- 3:32Speaker 3: any reasonable juror would ever listen to something like that
- 3:35Speaker 3: and think twenty different people who didn't know you confessed
- 3:39Speaker 3: to murder.
- 3:40Speaker 1: It's hard to believe this is real life, but here
- 3:42Speaker 1: we are. And if you don't remember the case of
- 3:45Speaker 1: Larry Smith Junior, well, we're going to have it thinked.
- 3:47Speaker 1: In the episode description, the circumstances are similar to what
- 3:51Speaker 1: happened to Anthony and his co defend. It's Marvin Cotton
- 3:54Speaker 1: and DeVante Parks in the city that they all called home.
- 3:58Speaker 2: I grew up in a Detroit, Michigan seventies eighties. My
- 4:02Speaker 2: mother and father had been married until my father passed,
- 4:05Speaker 2: so for over thirty years. So, you know, I had
- 4:08Speaker 2: a structured home. You know, Detroit was on the rise.
- 4:11Speaker 2: You know, it was jobs, the factories. You know. I
- 4:14Speaker 2: had a pretty pretty good childhood. Went to school, graduated
- 4:18Speaker 2: from Cody High School, played sports, you know, just a
- 4:22Speaker 2: normal childhood life, engaged with the young ladies in the neighborhood.
- 4:27Speaker 2: Prior to my incarceration, I was twenty seven years old.
- 4:30Speaker 2: I had two children by one young lady, and right
- 4:33Speaker 2: before I got incarcerated, she had found out she had cancer.
- 4:37Speaker 2: And when she found out, our relationship wasn't on the
- 4:41Speaker 2: best of terms. So just imagine how that felt when
- 4:45Speaker 2: she found out that she had that and already wasn't
- 4:47Speaker 2: the best, you know, boyfriend, So it was difficult. Me
- 4:51Speaker 2: and her had kind of split up, but I had
- 4:52Speaker 2: to step up to the plate, and you know, take
- 4:55Speaker 2: care of my children. My son who was two and
- 4:58Speaker 2: my daughter was like seven at the time. So I
- 5:00Speaker 2: had them living with me, and you know, they would
- 5:02Speaker 2: go back and forth, but she was going through these treatments,
- 5:06Speaker 2: so I had the children with me for the most
- 5:08Speaker 2: of the part. And you know, I was in to
- 5:10Speaker 2: real estate, investing money in real estate and things of
- 5:13Speaker 2: that nature. So I was at home a lot with
- 5:15Speaker 2: the children.
- 5:16Speaker 1: At twenty seven years old, Dantony had a full plate
- 5:19Speaker 1: and a meaningful career with no real connection to the victim,
- 5:23Speaker 1: Jamon McIntyre or what became the crime scene a place
- 5:26Speaker 1: called the Third Street House.
- 5:28Speaker 3: From all the police reports, and what the police officers
- 5:31Speaker 3: knew is this was a drug house maintained and kept
- 5:36Speaker 3: by Jimmon McIntyre, who was related either by blood or
- 5:41Speaker 3: they call them plain nephews with the Johnson crime family,
- 5:46Speaker 3: the drug family that ran a lot of dope out
- 5:48Speaker 3: of Detroit at that time in the early two thousands,
- 5:51Speaker 3: late nineties. We found out later years and years later,
- 5:54Speaker 3: a nephew of the Johnsons, Santonian Adams, was a Detroit
- 5:59Speaker 3: police office there at the time of the crime was
- 6:02Speaker 3: actually running security for the Johnson crime family. As a
- 6:06Speaker 3: Detroit police.
- 6:07Speaker 1: Officer, Anthony's only connection to the Third Street house was
- 6:11Speaker 1: through his childhood friend Marvin Cotton.
- 6:14Speaker 2: I actually didn't know anything about what was going on
- 6:16Speaker 2: in the house or the players. Only person that I
- 6:19Speaker 2: knew and vaguely knew him was Jamal McIntyre. Marvin and
- 6:24Speaker 2: Jamon were good friends, and I had went over there
- 6:27Speaker 2: one time with Marvin. We stopped over there. Marvin and
- 6:30Speaker 2: Jama was having conversations and they was in their own
- 6:34Speaker 2: little circle talking. He was there for probably about fifteen
- 6:37Speaker 2: to twenty minutes maybe. So that's the only thing that
- 6:39Speaker 2: I know about the house, and I don't know how
- 6:41Speaker 2: much you guys knew. But prior to mcatire's death, Marvin
- 6:46Speaker 2: had an issue with the police department.
- 6:48Speaker 3: Cotton wasn't the cleanest guy. I think he was selling
- 6:51Speaker 3: guns on the side. Well, the Detroit copp lost her
- 6:55Speaker 3: gun and it ended up in Cotton's hands and he
- 6:59Speaker 3: sold it and the cops busted into his house, strung
- 7:02Speaker 3: him up to his shower naked, started braiding him, and
- 7:06Speaker 3: he filed the citizens complaint against the two cops and
- 7:08Speaker 3: they ended up getting disciplined.
- 7:09Speaker 2: And I believe one officer was fired behind it. This
- 7:12Speaker 2: was like a month or two before MCing Tires murder.
- 7:16Speaker 2: According to what Marvin had said that when he got arrested,
- 7:19Speaker 2: the police was talking about him filing that complaint against.
- 7:22Speaker 3: It, So he had a target on his back from
- 7:25Speaker 3: an unrelated matter and Legion just got caught up in it.
- 7:29Speaker 1: It probably also didn't help that Marvin arrived at the
- 7:32Speaker 1: third Street house shortly after the incident was over. But
- 7:35Speaker 1: let's back up to just before. It was shortly after
- 7:38Speaker 1: midnight on January twenty fourth, two thousand and one. Jimon
- 7:41Speaker 1: McIntyre was on the front porch and a man named
- 7:44Speaker 1: Kenny Lockhart was in the upstairs bedroom with his girlfriend,
- 7:47Speaker 1: Renee Tate, while Santonian Adams, the Johnson's police officer nephew,
- 7:54Speaker 1: was in a van in the driveway, and he eventually
- 7:56Speaker 1: told the story that was partially supported by McIntyre's sister.
- 8:01Speaker 3: Three guys had come up and we're hanging around on
- 8:04Speaker 3: the porch. Apparently McIntyre's sister comes over. This is a
- 8:08Speaker 3: little bit after midnight, and she's looking for some money.
- 8:11Speaker 3: He gives her some money, she leaves. She doesn't recognize
- 8:14Speaker 3: any of the three. Shortly after she leaves, Adams is
- 8:18Speaker 3: in the driveway and all of a sudden, here shots
- 8:21Speaker 3: being fired. Now at this time, Lockhart is in the
- 8:24Speaker 3: bedroom with his girlfriend, here's the shooting, doesn't see any
- 8:28Speaker 3: of this, closes his door because he's trying to protect
- 8:30Speaker 3: his girlfriend.
- 8:31Speaker 2: The only person who could really say what was going
- 8:34Speaker 2: on in the shooting was Santonio Adams. He said he
- 8:36Speaker 2: was in a van and he's seen two people on
- 8:39Speaker 2: a porch shooting. He didn't know which direction they were
- 8:42Speaker 2: shooting at. He said he heard Jama's voice.
- 8:45Speaker 3: And McIntyre calls to him Tone nicknamed Tone. As he's
- 8:50Speaker 3: running out of the house being chased by these guys,
- 8:54Speaker 3: runs down an alley across the street and gets gunned down.
- 8:58Speaker 2: No witnesses material the day it happened, nobody said who
- 9:03Speaker 2: it was.
- 9:03Speaker 1: The sole source of the initial narrative was Officer Adams,
- 9:06Speaker 1: who has to cover for why he's had a known
- 9:09Speaker 1: drug house to begin with. He didn't make any ideas
- 9:13Speaker 1: or descriptions either, but he did claim that he shot
- 9:17Speaker 1: at the assailants.
- 9:18Speaker 3: He says, I couldn't find my gun, but as I
- 9:22Speaker 3: was ducking when I heard the shots. I saw a
- 9:25Speaker 3: gun under the front passenger seat, so I grabbed that
- 9:27Speaker 3: and I got off about four shots. Well, he never
- 9:30Speaker 3: did turn in his official law enforcement handgun to have
- 9:35Speaker 3: it analyzed. When they did take a look at it,
- 9:38Speaker 3: they found there were four bullets missing. You have to
- 9:41Speaker 3: account for every bullet when you're a police officer, and
- 9:43Speaker 3: so they later found there were four bullets missing. His
- 9:46Speaker 3: story never added up, but they didn't pursue him.
- 9:49Speaker 1: In the meantime, the police collected evidence. Two guns were
- 9:53Speaker 1: found near McIntire's body in the alley, three more in
- 9:56Speaker 1: the house, none of which were claimed by Officer Adams
- 9:58Speaker 1: as the one he alleged used. Now, they dusted the
- 10:02Speaker 1: house for fingerprints. Then, for reasons that were revealed much later,
- 10:05Speaker 1: Kenny Lockhart went from ear witness to eyewitness and lead
- 10:10Speaker 1: detective Cues put together a carefully selected photo array for
- 10:14Speaker 1: Lockhart to view on February fifteenth.
- 10:16Speaker 2: I think it was like eight people in a photo array,
- 10:19Speaker 2: including me, Marvin Cotton, and Devonte Parks, who was the
- 10:22Speaker 2: other individual who was charged in this case as well.
- 10:25Speaker 2: Lockhart said that it was Cotton for sure, that he
- 10:29Speaker 2: knew Cotton prior to this mind you.
- 10:32Speaker 3: Lockhart first told the officers he didn't see what happened,
- 10:36Speaker 3: and second he knew Cotton, so if Cotton had been there,
- 10:41Speaker 3: he would have identified Cotton.
- 10:43Speaker 2: And then he said two or seven, meaning me or
- 10:47Speaker 2: Davonte Parks looked like the other individual. That was the identification.
- 10:53Speaker 1: To get around the fact that both Lockhart and his girlfriend,
- 10:56Speaker 1: Rene Tate had made statements that they never left the
- 10:58Speaker 1: bedroom and hadn't seen the assailants, the narrative was amended
- 11:02Speaker 1: to include the shooters returning to the house after Jaman
- 11:05Speaker 1: was already dead to kill Kenny Lockhart.
- 11:08Speaker 2: And he never said none of this. On the day
- 11:10Speaker 2: of the.
- 11:10Speaker 3: Incident, Lockhart says that the guys are in his house
- 11:14Speaker 3: and the guy he identifies as Cotton tells another guy
- 11:18Speaker 3: shoot him, shoot Lockhart. Lockhart claims he takes a shot,
- 11:23Speaker 3: only the problem is there are no bullet holes in
- 11:26Speaker 3: the house. Even one of the police officers wrote in
- 11:29Speaker 3: his notes, the guy's not telling the truth. I don't
- 11:32Speaker 3: believe what word he says.
- 11:33Speaker 1: And maybe there's something to that. Considering that Marvin Devonte
- 11:36Speaker 1: and Anthony were not arrested until a week later, on
- 11:39Speaker 1: February twenty second, and for Anthony, it wasn't even for
- 11:41Speaker 1: this incident, but rather for the murder of someone named
- 11:45Speaker 1: Devin Taylor.
- 11:46Speaker 2: I'll get arrested in an unrelated case. This was an
- 11:49Speaker 2: individual who I knew. He was killed on the East Side.
- 11:52Speaker 2: You know, the police, what they did back then was
- 11:54Speaker 2: they just rounded up people, witnesses or not witnesses, anybody
- 11:58Speaker 2: without even charges, without warrants or anything, and bring them
- 12:02Speaker 2: in and then threaten them, you know, to either coherse
- 12:05Speaker 2: them to confess to that crime or conhurse them to
- 12:08Speaker 2: confess to other crimes, and that process. While I'm in jail,
- 12:12Speaker 2: they asking me about McIntire's case, saying, if I say
- 12:16Speaker 2: that Marvin and Devonte Parks did it, they won't charge
- 12:19Speaker 2: me with that, and they won't charge me what I'm
- 12:21Speaker 2: already in here for. I'm like, I didn't do either
- 12:23Speaker 2: one of these crimes. They said, well, all you got
- 12:25Speaker 2: to do is say Marvin and Devonte Parks did it,
- 12:28Speaker 2: and we'll let you go right now.
- 12:30Speaker 1: But it appears that Anthony's refusal only led to his
- 12:33Speaker 1: own charges in both murders.
- 12:36Speaker 2: Now, this whole time, while the criminal proceedings is going on,
- 12:40Speaker 2: no discovery is coming out. The only evidence that they
- 12:42Speaker 2: claimed that they had with respect to the McIntire case
- 12:45Speaker 2: was Lockhart's photo identification, saying that me or Parks looked
- 12:49Speaker 2: like the individual. And then when he came to court,
- 12:52Speaker 2: you know, he made a positive identification. At the preliminary examination,
- 12:55Speaker 2: he said, oh no, I'm certain, I'm certain it's him.
- 12:58Speaker 2: He was the light skinned guy. You see me sitting here.
- 13:01Speaker 2: I'm definitely not light skinned. So that was his description
- 13:05Speaker 2: of me. I was the high yellow, light skinned guy.
- 13:08Speaker 2: And then by the time it got the trial, he said,
- 13:11Speaker 2: you know, he's ninety percent sure that I look like
- 13:13Speaker 2: one of the guys. But moving right before the trial
- 13:17Speaker 2: is when they came up with the jail house informant,
- 13:19Speaker 2: Ellis Fraser.
- 13:20Speaker 3: This snitch witness popped up five days before trial, which
- 13:24Speaker 3: is when it was disclosed the defense. We have a
- 13:26Speaker 3: witness who says that Cotton confessed and implicated legion. Now
- 13:31Speaker 3: that just shows how weak your case is when you
- 13:34Speaker 3: have to come up with something in the bottom of
- 13:37Speaker 3: the ninth inning to try to resurrect your case.
- 13:40Speaker 2: My attorney came in with Fraser's statement and he said,
- 13:44Speaker 2: this guy said, you guys down there and confessed to him.
- 13:46Speaker 2: I'm like what my lawyer said, I don't believe none
- 13:48Speaker 2: of this shit. This is what Detroit Police Department does,
- 13:51Speaker 2: but they're gonna use this guy. And so he filed
- 13:54Speaker 2: a pre trial motion not to let it in for
- 13:56Speaker 2: two reasons. Number one, it was basically a trial by
- 14:00Speaker 2: ambush because the police department said that they had this
- 14:03Speaker 2: information about Fraser four months before the trial, never turned
- 14:08Speaker 2: it over to us till right before trial. So my
- 14:10Speaker 2: lawyer argued that it shouldn't come in on that ground,
- 14:14Speaker 2: And then the alternative it shouldn't come in because he's
- 14:17Speaker 2: saying that Cotton confessed to him, and therefore that evidence
- 14:20Speaker 2: coming in against me will violate my right to confront Cotton.
- 14:24Speaker 3: Cotton can't testify because he's a defendant and was going
- 14:28Speaker 3: to exercise his constitutional right to remain silent.
- 14:31Speaker 2: And I can't cross examine him.
- 14:33Speaker 1: To avoid violating Anthony's right to confront his accuser. His
- 14:36Speaker 1: and Marvin's trials should have been sabered, but they continued
- 14:40Speaker 1: until the same issue arose again.
- 14:43Speaker 3: Kenny Lockhart, the key witness who the police knew hadn't
- 14:47Speaker 3: seen anything, said that he was absolutely one hundred percent
- 14:50Speaker 3: certain of the three guys who were charged, Legion Cotton
- 14:54Speaker 3: and Avante Park. Only it turns out right before a
- 14:57Speaker 3: trial they verified Park said an airtight alibi.
- 15:01Speaker 1: Parks charges were going to be dismissed, which would have
- 15:04Speaker 1: destroyed Kenny Lockhart's credibility, let's face it, and therefore the
- 15:08Speaker 1: whole state's case.
- 15:09Speaker 3: If Parks gets on the stand and the agreement that
- 15:13Speaker 3: they're going to dismiss charges because he's got an alibi
- 15:16Speaker 3: is explained to the jury, well then there goes Lockhart's
- 15:19Speaker 3: whole identification because Lockhart said he is one hundred percent
- 15:23Speaker 3: certain of those three guys, and one of them has
- 15:26Speaker 3: an airtight alibi.
- 15:28Speaker 2: The day of trial, we all was in the bullp me,
- 15:32Speaker 2: Marvin Cotton, and DeVante Parks. But the only two people
- 15:35Speaker 2: that they brought out was me and Cotton, and they
- 15:37Speaker 2: left him back there. So the jury never seen him,
- 15:39Speaker 2: never heard nothing really about him, and never knew that
- 15:43Speaker 2: Lockhart made that identification of him.
- 15:45Speaker 3: And the lawyers are going where's Parks because the whole
- 15:48Speaker 3: case was all three of them, and all of a sudden,
- 15:50Speaker 3: Parks is severed from the case and Devonte Parks misidentification
- 15:55Speaker 3: got ruled inadmissible. It was irrelevant to this case. The
- 15:59Speaker 3: whole thing stinks. The gamesmanship of the prosecutor is telling
- 16:03Speaker 3: Devonte Parks, we will dismiss your case, but only after
- 16:08Speaker 3: the Cotton Legion trial, so they ensure that he does
- 16:11Speaker 3: not testify.
- 16:12Speaker 2: You know, most lawyers, they don't call the co definden
- 16:15Speaker 2: to the stand because they lawyer co definit the layer
- 16:17Speaker 2: gonna say, oh, no, my client ain't getting on that stand.
- 16:20Speaker 3: Because he was a still defendant at the time and
- 16:22Speaker 3: was going to exercise his constitutional right to remain silent.
- 16:25Speaker 2: And so that's why we couldn't call him.
- 16:27Speaker 1: So DeVante Parks's case breaking testimony was effectively hidden from
- 16:32Speaker 1: the jury, all while Anthony has another wrongful accusation to
- 16:36Speaker 1: fight after this trial, which began in October two thousand
- 16:39Speaker 1: and one. So let's start with the physical evidence.
- 16:42Speaker 2: Nick recovered, like five weapons, two weapons potentially is the
- 16:47Speaker 2: murder weapon. All these shell cases, they ran tests on
- 16:51Speaker 2: all of this stuff. They do fingerprints inside the house,
- 16:53Speaker 2: outside the house. None of this stuff come back to
- 16:56Speaker 2: New York. You got a missing gun by a police officer,
- 17:00Speaker 2: So who's admits to firing shots? At somebody and his gun.
- 17:05Speaker 2: They don't have his gun, but we do got two
- 17:07Speaker 2: guns in the alley, so it's one of them. The
- 17:10Speaker 2: guns that he claimed he lost. Who knows. But you
- 17:13Speaker 2: got all these witnesses surrounding this house, and nobody said
- 17:17Speaker 2: that I committed any crime. Even if you believe Lockhart,
- 17:21Speaker 2: which you shouldn't because he changed his story from the
- 17:24Speaker 2: beginning to the end, but he said that I looked
- 17:27Speaker 2: like one of the people that was in the house.
- 17:28Speaker 3: The state's evidence simply came to Lockhart and being backed
- 17:33Speaker 3: up by a snitch witness, which then would give credibility
- 17:37Speaker 3: to Lockhart. Right as much as the defense tried to
- 17:40Speaker 3: punch holes in Lockhart, Lockhart could say, I knew Cotton,
- 17:43Speaker 3: so I knew who it was. And then this other
- 17:46Speaker 3: guy legion, I saw him too. And they never got
- 17:48Speaker 3: to hear about the Devonte Parks misidentification, which would have
- 17:52Speaker 3: been huge. But then Lockhart, it's backed up by Elis Fraser,
- 17:56Speaker 3: who's saying the same thing.
- 17:57Speaker 1: Fraser testified that he and someone who he thought was
- 18:02Speaker 1: Anthony or in one cell while Marvin Cotton was in
- 18:05Speaker 1: the one next door, and Fraser's cellmate allegedly introduced him
- 18:09Speaker 1: to Cotton through a brick wall, and then Cotton supposedly
- 18:14Speaker 1: confessed implicating the person sharing the cell with Fraser, who
- 18:19Speaker 1: he claimed was named Anthony on the witness stand.
- 18:22Speaker 2: And they said, well, who was Anthony? Oh, Anthony is
- 18:24Speaker 2: the person in that photograph, which was Davonte Parks. He
- 18:27Speaker 2: just got his names mixed up and said Parks was Anthony.
- 18:31Speaker 2: He didn't remember the lie enough to come into court
- 18:35Speaker 2: and say, oh, no, Davonte Parks is the one that.
- 18:38Speaker 3: Introduced Years later, Ellis Fraser finally grows a conscience and
- 18:42Speaker 3: says in an affidavit that the officer in charge Hughes
- 18:48Speaker 3: walks him into court and has to explain to him
- 18:51Speaker 3: who these guys are, so he makes sure that he
- 18:54Speaker 3: picks them out and identifies Cotton as Cotton and doesn't
- 18:58Speaker 3: confuse the guys.
- 19:00Speaker 2: So either he got his names mixed up when the
- 19:02Speaker 2: police gave him the information, or he just didn't know
- 19:05Speaker 2: which person to pick out in the courtroom. But in
- 19:08Speaker 2: the jury's mind, where else would Fraser get this information?
- 19:12Speaker 2: Not knowing that the DPD ran a jail house snitch
- 19:15Speaker 2: program on the ninth floor, they provided people discovery material,
- 19:20Speaker 2: so that they can familiarize themselves with the facts and
- 19:23Speaker 2: then come up with a story to support the facts.
- 19:26Speaker 2: The jury never knew that. Had they known that, then
- 19:28Speaker 2: they would have new this is all put together.
- 19:31Speaker 1: Anthony did mount the defense, presenting alibi witnesses to swear
- 19:35Speaker 1: to his actual whereabouts, which should have included his co
- 19:38Speaker 1: defend at Marvin Cotton, who had arrived on the scene
- 19:41Speaker 1: shortly after the shooting, importantly without Anthony, But Marvin couldn't
- 19:45Speaker 1: testify for the same reason that kept Parks off the stand.
- 19:49Speaker 1: All the others were loved ones who could be explained
- 19:52Speaker 1: away as willing to lie, so that left their last hope.
- 19:56Speaker 1: Kenny Lockhart's girlfriend, Renee Tate.
- 19:58Speaker 2: If you look at her statements, she contradicts what Lockhart
- 20:01Speaker 2: was saying. She said Lockhart never left the room, never
- 20:04Speaker 2: seen anybody, and then somebody got to her, and she
- 20:08Speaker 2: was shaken and nervous at the trial, you know, and
- 20:11Speaker 2: we didn't know why she was, you know, while she
- 20:13Speaker 2: was acting like that, but that's what it was, and
- 20:15Speaker 2: we found out later she was pressured to stick to
- 20:18Speaker 2: the story Lockhart told her.
- 20:20Speaker 1: And this time it appears that the pressure wasn't even
- 20:22Speaker 1: from the police, So both Tate and Fraser supported the Lockhart,
- 20:26Speaker 1: whose credibility was protected by the prosecutors, who went so
- 20:30Speaker 1: far as to say that the Third Stread House wasn't
- 20:32Speaker 1: even a well known drug house. Sure why not? And
- 20:36Speaker 1: on October nineteen, two thousand and one, both Marvin and
- 20:39Speaker 1: Anthony were convicted of first degree murder and sentenced to
- 20:42Speaker 1: life without the possibility of parole.
- 20:44Speaker 2: You know, when you hear people say, before you're about
- 20:46Speaker 2: to die, like your life flashes, you know, in front
- 20:50Speaker 2: of you, That's what it was like. It was like
- 20:52Speaker 2: I seen, like everything just flashed in front of me,
- 20:55Speaker 2: like I seen myself as a child. You know, I
- 20:58Speaker 2: seen myself, you know, you know, coming through the wound
- 21:01Speaker 2: and coming into life and seeing my life snatched. And
- 21:05Speaker 2: that's what happened at that split second. But walking out
- 21:08Speaker 2: the courtroom, I walked out of that courtroom and said,
- 21:11Speaker 2: I'm getting out of prison, and I'm about to go
- 21:14Speaker 2: in prison and learn everything about this system that did
- 21:18Speaker 2: this to me, and I'm gonna get myself out of prison.
- 21:20Speaker 2: Before I even got sentenced, you know, I started putting
- 21:24Speaker 2: together my strategy on what I was going to do
- 21:26Speaker 2: to get out of prison.
- 21:27Speaker 1: And if you remember, he still had to fight the
- 21:29Speaker 1: Devin tail, the murder charge for which he had been
- 21:31Speaker 1: preparing his defense until he saw what they were willing
- 21:34Speaker 1: to do in the mcintarre case, presenting testimony like Lockharts
- 21:37Speaker 1: and Frasiers while the defense witness appeared to have been coerced.
- 21:41Speaker 2: Once all of this stuff started coming out, I said,
- 21:44Speaker 2: oh no, I'm not gonna risk getting two life sentences.
- 21:48Speaker 2: I had to, you know, resolve that case because otherwise,
- 21:52Speaker 2: guess what another jail house informat would be like. Oh,
- 21:55Speaker 2: Anthony confessed to me, And so I took a plea.
- 21:58Speaker 2: I took a no contest.
- 21:59Speaker 1: Please.
- 22:00Speaker 3: When you've rolled the dice and you come up snake
- 22:02Speaker 3: eyes because of some witness that came up five days
- 22:05Speaker 3: before trial, you don't want to roll the dice again.
- 22:09Speaker 2: And as you can see, they really didn't even care
- 22:11Speaker 2: to go to trial, but they just wasn't going to
- 22:14Speaker 2: dismiss it. That's why they offered me eight years eight
- 22:16Speaker 2: to twenty. So I said, okay, I'll take that deep Now, Okay,
- 22:21Speaker 2: I'm gonna do this time, but I'm gonna start working
- 22:23Speaker 2: on this life sentence and get this sentence.
- 22:26Speaker 1: Off you're listening to Ron for Conviction. You can listen
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- 22:55Speaker 2: When I went to prison, the first thing I said
- 22:57Speaker 2: after I got processed, where's the lightbrary? And so I
- 23:00Speaker 2: bought a blackslaw dictionary. I bought a Michigan Court Rules.
- 23:04Speaker 2: I bought a Federal Rules of Civil Procedures. I bought
- 23:07Speaker 2: a typewriter. I spent like fifteen hundred dollars on legal supplies.
- 23:13Speaker 2: You know, I wanted to learn that language that they
- 23:15Speaker 2: were speaking in the courtroom that I didn't know, and
- 23:17Speaker 2: they learned what they knew in order to fight this case.
- 23:21Speaker 1: In December two thousand and two, Anthony filed a motion
- 23:24Speaker 1: for a new trial in which he claimed ineffective assistance
- 23:28Speaker 1: of council for the failure to call Parks as a witness,
- 23:31Speaker 1: even though the prevailing wisdom is that a co defendant's
- 23:34Speaker 1: council will not advise the defendant to wave their Fifth
- 23:37Speaker 1: Amendment rights. This also drew attention to the gamesmanship of
- 23:41Speaker 1: the prosecution, effectively hiding the misidentification of Parks. And the
- 23:45Speaker 1: unreliability of Lockhart, and along with the motion, Anthony submitted
- 23:49Speaker 1: an affidavid from Parks, who had plenty that he would
- 23:52Speaker 1: have liked to say.
- 23:54Speaker 2: Number one is da Fraser said that it was Parks
- 23:57Speaker 2: who introduced him to Cotton, and Parks was involved in
- 24:01Speaker 2: the conversation. He just got his names mixed up and
- 24:04Speaker 2: said Parks was Anthony, so DeVante. Parks would have been
- 24:08Speaker 2: able to testify and say, wait a minute, I didn't
- 24:11Speaker 2: introduce him and I ain't hear no conversation about that,
- 24:14Speaker 2: so that's discredits Fraser. He could have discredited Lockhart by saying,
- 24:18Speaker 2: wait a minute, Lockhart said that he knew Parks and
- 24:22Speaker 2: that we had all been there on several occasions. Parks
- 24:25Speaker 2: could have no, I don't know you, and he had
- 24:28Speaker 2: an alibi for that day which would have disproved with
- 24:31Speaker 2: Lockhart was saying. So that's what the emotion for new
- 24:35Speaker 2: trial was premised on, and they denied.
- 24:38Speaker 3: To hear it.
- 24:38Speaker 1: Both of their convictions were affirmed in a pos court
- 24:41Speaker 1: in October two thousand and three, and then Anthony filed
- 24:43Speaker 1: his federal habeas petition in two thousand and five.
- 24:46Speaker 2: Based on the reasons the Fader called Parks the confrontation violation,
- 24:50Speaker 2: and I'll talk about that in the minute. And insufficient evidence,
- 24:53Speaker 2: because we also argued it was insufficient evidence to convict
- 24:57Speaker 2: me a first degree murder. Even if you look at
- 24:59Speaker 2: the case and the light most favorable to the prosecution,
- 25:02Speaker 2: it wasn't no evidence that said I committed a murder.
- 25:05Speaker 2: Lockhard said he didn't see the shooting. If you believe
- 25:07Speaker 2: what he said, he said that the three people came
- 25:10Speaker 2: to the house after the shooting. So you have to
- 25:13Speaker 2: look at what testimony you had to look at to
- 25:16Speaker 2: support that. Fraser's so the violation of the rights to confrontation.
- 25:20Speaker 2: The sixth Amendment says that you have a right to
- 25:23Speaker 2: confront your accusers. Now in this context, Cotton would be
- 25:27Speaker 2: my accuser if you rely on Fraser, which was the
- 25:31Speaker 2: jail house informant. The jail house informant says Cotton told him, oh,
- 25:36Speaker 2: me and Anthony committed this murder and this rob even
- 25:40Speaker 2: though he doesn't specify who the anthony is because remember
- 25:44Speaker 2: he picked out a picture of Parks as being Anthony.
- 25:47Speaker 2: But in any respect, I needed to cross examine Cotton
- 25:51Speaker 2: so he could clarify his statement. But Cotton got a
- 25:53Speaker 2: Fifth Amendment right not to testify, so that infringed upon
- 25:56Speaker 2: my right right. So that's why we at trial, we
- 25:59Speaker 2: move for a separate trial out so that Fraser's testimony
- 26:01Speaker 2: couldn't come in against me, and the judge denied that.
- 26:04Speaker 2: The federal court in two thousand and seven agreed and
- 26:07Speaker 2: reversed my conviction and vacated.
- 26:10Speaker 1: And that sounds like it should have been the end
- 26:11Speaker 1: of an episode, but we've got over another ten years
- 26:14Speaker 1: of fighting uf to go.
- 26:16Speaker 2: In the federal court. When I won in two thousand
- 26:18Speaker 2: and seven, the Attorney General appealed it to the United
- 26:21Speaker 2: States Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit, and what
- 26:24Speaker 2: happened was a new law had came out. So the
- 26:27Speaker 2: case that I relied on for the confrontation violation was
- 26:31Speaker 2: Ohio versus Roberts, and what that says is you can't
- 26:35Speaker 2: allow an unreliable, non testifying co defendit statement to come
- 26:40Speaker 2: in against another code defending, so Fraser's testimony was obviously unreliable. However,
- 26:46Speaker 2: they changed that law in Crawford versus Washington, which came
- 26:50Speaker 2: out in two thousand and four after my conviction, and
- 26:55Speaker 2: that ruler said the Sixth Amendment confrontation clause only texts
- 27:01Speaker 2: testimonial statements. In other words, had Cotton confessed to the police,
- 27:06Speaker 2: that statement can't come in against me, but if he
- 27:08Speaker 2: tell it to a fellow inmate or a friend or
- 27:11Speaker 2: something like that, they said that that can come in
- 27:13Speaker 2: against you. And that's why they reversed that ruler. It's
- 27:16Speaker 2: an unfair law, but that's what put the life sentence
- 27:20Speaker 2: back on me. So what we did, we said, okay,
- 27:22Speaker 2: just they changed that confrontation law, which is the sixth Amendment. Well,
- 27:26Speaker 2: now we want to argue the fourteenth Amendment. He got
- 27:29Speaker 2: a due process right to confront his accusers. So it's
- 27:33Speaker 2: the same argument for different constitutional provisions. So the Sixth
- 27:37Speaker 2: Circus said, okay, we're remanded back to the law course
- 27:40Speaker 2: and you start that argument all over from scratch.
- 27:43Speaker 1: And while that fight was underway, new evidence began to emerge,
- 27:47Speaker 1: starting with Fraser's recantation in twenty ten.
- 27:50Speaker 2: And so we had investigated. They finally tracked him. Now
- 27:53Speaker 2: he said, oh yeah, the detectives gave me that information.
- 27:56Speaker 2: Marvin didn't confess to me, and then we found out
- 27:59Speaker 2: that he also testified in other cases. It's a guy
- 28:02Speaker 2: in prison right now serving a life sentence for Fraser's
- 28:06Speaker 2: testimony a guy named Bobby Smith, and our investigators reached
- 28:09Speaker 2: out to him as well, and he said he didn't
- 28:11Speaker 2: confess to Fraser either.
- 28:12Speaker 1: Fraser added that he got a seven month break on
- 28:15Speaker 1: a one year sentence, but that the prosecutor told him
- 28:18Speaker 1: not to say anything about any benefits in court. Fraser
- 28:20Speaker 1: gave a second affidavit in twenty fourteen, stating in even
- 28:24Speaker 1: stronger terms that he never spoke to Cotton and that
- 28:26Speaker 1: his statement was completely dreamed up by the prosecution. So
- 28:30Speaker 1: with that, the investigators moved on to Kenny Lockhart, who
- 28:33Speaker 1: remember was staying in the upstairs bedroom of a drug
- 28:36Speaker 1: house run by the Johnson crime family.
- 28:39Speaker 3: A guy named Kurt Nerd was living with Lockhart, and
- 28:45Speaker 3: Lockhart told him the whole story, told him Johnson offered
- 28:50Speaker 3: him ten thousand dollars depend it on Cotton and Legion,
- 28:52Speaker 3: and he didn't want to do it, but ten thousand
- 28:54Speaker 3: dollars a lot of money, and so Nerd went to
- 28:57Speaker 3: a Detroit Police homicide detective Walter Bates and told him.
- 29:02Speaker 3: Even gave Bates the handwritten napkins that he took notes
- 29:07Speaker 3: on after Lockhart had told him this. Bates never turned
- 29:11Speaker 3: that evidence over.
- 29:12Speaker 1: So it appears the police and the Johnson's were very
- 29:16Speaker 1: interested in steering the outcome of the investigation. And then
- 29:20Speaker 1: it became clear which of them had gotten to Renee Tape.
- 29:24Speaker 3: Lockhart's girlfriend at the time, who was in the bedroom
- 29:26Speaker 3: with him. She's terrified of the Johnson crime family. But
- 29:30Speaker 3: she spoke to an investigator for the State of Pelot
- 29:33Speaker 3: Defender's office and said exactly what happened, and that Lockhart
- 29:38Speaker 3: never saw anybody because neither of them saw anybody. But
- 29:43Speaker 3: she is afraid of the Johnson's.
- 29:45Speaker 2: We found out later why she basically shut down and
- 29:49Speaker 2: testified to things contrary to what she put in her statement.
- 29:53Speaker 2: She was pressured by Keith Johnson to stick to the
- 29:56Speaker 2: story that Lockhart told him.
- 29:58Speaker 1: So what did they do? Like, how did they stoop?
- 30:01Speaker 2: They was gonna kill her kids?
- 30:02Speaker 3: Wow?
- 30:03Speaker 2: Yeah, this was evidence that came out maybe like two
- 30:06Speaker 2: thousand and twenties.
- 30:08Speaker 3: She won't sign an affidavit and has basically said, if
- 30:13Speaker 3: you subpoena me to testify, I'm just gonna lie. And
- 30:16Speaker 3: I said I would say I never said that. So
- 30:18Speaker 3: apparently the Johnsons still have a long reach in the neighborhood.
- 30:40Speaker 3: They had evidence of, for example, the affidavit of Curtin Ard,
- 30:44Speaker 3: and that helped, but it didn't give them any relief
- 30:47Speaker 3: in the court system. The court system is much more
- 30:50Speaker 3: focused on procedure than whether you're innocent or whether you
- 30:55Speaker 3: get screwed at trial. And finally, in about twenty eight
- 31:00Speaker 3: team the Wayne County Prosecutor's Office opened up a conviction
- 31:04Speaker 3: Integrity Unit and that was the life saving process for
- 31:09Speaker 3: a lot of guys. And the CiU does its own investigation.
- 31:13Speaker 1: And they spoke with Detective Hughes.
- 31:15Speaker 2: The investigator was a ex police officer, so he knew
- 31:20Speaker 2: the main detective on our case, so he didn't think
- 31:22Speaker 2: that this guy would record him, but he got the
- 31:25Speaker 2: detective on there admitted that the house was a drug house,
- 31:30Speaker 2: even though they told the jury that it wasn't. He's
- 31:33Speaker 2: admitting this. He admitted that Lockhart never gained that initial identification.
- 31:39Speaker 2: It was some other guy, a drug dealer, a major
- 31:42Speaker 2: drug dealer. And then he admitted to some other things
- 31:45Speaker 2: in there that the police officer was basically protecting that house.
- 31:49Speaker 2: He was a security for this drug organization and had
- 31:52Speaker 2: the jury now in all this, they'd have been like,
- 31:54Speaker 2: wait a minute, maybe some drug dealers did this murder.
- 31:58Speaker 2: We didn't know that this was a major drug location
- 32:01Speaker 2: and that the cop was running security for this operation,
- 32:05Speaker 2: and that Lockhart never made that identification like he testified too.
- 32:09Speaker 2: That would have shredded their entire case.
- 32:12Speaker 1: So this is when Detroit PD officer Santonian Adams was
- 32:15Speaker 1: first revealed, and it seems like the jury wouldn't be
- 32:18Speaker 1: the only ones coming to the conclusion that this was
- 32:20Speaker 1: all related back to the Johnsons.
- 32:23Speaker 3: Everybody in the hood always knows, the streets always know,
- 32:25Speaker 3: really what happened, that Santonian Adams, who was friends with McIntyre,
- 32:31Speaker 3: set McIntyre up, and maybe Lockhart set McIntire up too,
- 32:35Speaker 3: because think about it, if he had been in the house,
- 32:38Speaker 3: he'd have been killed two. If this was just a
- 32:40Speaker 3: robbery for drugs, that would have killed everybody. Word on
- 32:43Speaker 3: the curb was that since McIntire's and Cotton were buddies
- 32:46Speaker 3: and doing stuff together, Johnson wanted Cotten out of there.
- 32:51Speaker 3: So that's kind of how it came down. Johnson was
- 32:53Speaker 3: the one orchestrating all of this, whether it was a
- 32:55Speaker 3: hit and then since McIntire's already dead, now if you
- 32:59Speaker 3: can get and legion, he doesn't want them in a picture,
- 33:02Speaker 3: have the cops go to them.
- 33:03Speaker 1: So it looks like the Johnson's gave Detective Hughes the
- 33:06Speaker 1: three names, then gave a Lockhart ten grand to corroborate,
- 33:09Speaker 1: and then scared the shit out of her nay tate
- 33:12Speaker 1: while the police and prosecutors went ahead and did the rest.
- 33:16Speaker 3: So the CiU took a fresh look at the case,
- 33:20Speaker 3: and then they were able to understand, especially with this
- 33:25Speaker 3: tape that the PI had with Donald Hughes, where Hughes
- 33:29Speaker 3: admitted that Lockhart hadn't seen anything. Now you start getting
- 33:33Speaker 3: into a whole lot of police misconduct. That shed a
- 33:36Speaker 3: whole new light on the trial and their right to
- 33:38Speaker 3: a fair trial. They were robbed of due process, and
- 33:41Speaker 3: the CiU concluded they that they couldn't say that these
- 33:46Speaker 3: guys were innocent. What they did was they said there
- 33:49Speaker 3: was so much police misconduct they were entitled to a
- 33:52Speaker 3: new trial. And then a winn County prosecutor's office realized
- 33:55Speaker 3: the flaws with the case and dismissed the charges. But
- 33:58Speaker 3: I think what really rocked this case is that the
- 34:01Speaker 3: prosecutor's office was very likely involved in this miscarriage of
- 34:07Speaker 3: justice with not allowing Parks to take the stand because
- 34:11Speaker 3: they didn't dismiss the charges until after this conviction.
- 34:14Speaker 1: Nonetheless, both Marvin and Anthony's charges were dismissed. Anthony told
- 34:19Speaker 1: us about how that day unfolded.
- 34:21Speaker 2: You know, in prison. You know, I found inner peace
- 34:26Speaker 2: in prison through studying the law, and I worked on
- 34:31Speaker 2: other people's cases when I was in prison. You know,
- 34:33Speaker 2: I was the go to guy in prison. Any prison
- 34:36Speaker 2: that I went to, I turned the day room into
- 34:39Speaker 2: my law office and I would get me a corner.
- 34:43Speaker 2: I have my typewriter set up, I have all my
- 34:46Speaker 2: law books. People would come to my office and we
- 34:50Speaker 2: working on other cases. You know, I got people out
- 34:52Speaker 2: of prison from prison, and so that's what I was doing.
- 34:55Speaker 2: And I was actually working on the finishing touches on
- 34:59Speaker 2: this brief, and the counselor came in and said, you know,
- 35:02Speaker 2: come to the office with me for a minute. When
- 35:04Speaker 2: you got a phone call, normally that means somebody in
- 35:07Speaker 2: your family done died, or you know, some bad news.
- 35:10Speaker 2: So I'm like, okay, here we go. And I didn't
- 35:13Speaker 2: even have the CiU on my mind, but it was
- 35:15Speaker 2: my attorney and my investigator, and then she said, well, yeah,
- 35:18Speaker 2: you know, Kim Worthy agreed to let you go. I
- 35:21Speaker 2: broke down in te you. I couldn't even talk, and
- 35:23Speaker 2: so the councilor said, we'll have him call you back later.
- 35:27Speaker 2: He needed to get hisself together. So yeah, it was
- 35:29Speaker 2: definitely a breath of fresh air when I got that news.
- 35:34Speaker 1: The decision came down on October first, twenty twenty, but
- 35:37Speaker 1: the nightmare wasn't over. He still had to contend with
- 35:40Speaker 1: his eight to twenty year sentence for Devin Taylor. He
- 35:43Speaker 1: was finally released on parole on December fifteen, twenty twenty,
- 35:46Speaker 1: and since his release, he's been reinvestigating and fighting that case,
- 35:50Speaker 1: as well as continuing the practice of law that he
- 35:52Speaker 1: began inside.
- 35:53Speaker 2: I'm in the a Pillot division at Wolf Law Firm,
- 35:56Speaker 2: not Wolf Gang, but Rachel Wolf, so I run her
- 35:58Speaker 2: a pilot division. Then I'm also a Pillot consultant in
- 36:01Speaker 2: my own office, where I do pretty much the same thing,
- 36:04Speaker 2: but at a reduced rate for guys who can't afford
- 36:08Speaker 2: to pay for an attorney. We do investigation work, briefs, motions,
- 36:12Speaker 2: and everything like that, and then I pitch their cases
- 36:14Speaker 2: to different attorneys where they can afford them or even
- 36:17Speaker 2: do it pro bono. I'm also a member of the
- 36:21Speaker 2: Organization of Exigneries. I'm on the board of directors a
- 36:23Speaker 2: Safe and Just Michigan. You know, I got my own
- 36:26Speaker 2: nonprofit here towards exposing the falsehood of jail house nitch
- 36:29Speaker 2: testimony Anthony Legion dot com and has my story on
- 36:32Speaker 2: there on my Facebook page, Safe and Just Michigan DJST
- 36:36Speaker 2: task Force. It can also support that DJST task Force
- 36:39Speaker 2: dot com. It's NonStop. I work all day, twelve hours
- 36:43Speaker 2: every day trying to save somebody's life from spending the
- 36:46Speaker 2: rest of their life in prison.
- 36:48Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Wolf is doing the same on your civil suit.
- 36:51Speaker 3: The problem is civil litigation. Now. The wheels turned very
- 36:55Speaker 3: very slowly. Right now, we are just in the process
- 36:58Speaker 3: after a few years of summary judgment motions where they're
- 37:02Speaker 3: trying to throw the case out on qualified immunity. There's
- 37:05Speaker 3: a whole nother can of worm, but that's where we're
- 37:07Speaker 3: at now. And then they'll kick the can down the
- 37:09Speaker 3: road and go to the six Circuit Court of Appeals
- 37:12Speaker 3: if their motion is denied and it'll drag it out further,
- 37:15Speaker 3: and all that does is just kick these guys in
- 37:17Speaker 3: the face some more.
- 37:19Speaker 1: It's fucking disgraceful. But we hear the same thing all
- 37:21Speaker 1: too often. Right here, we're going to have both of
- 37:23Speaker 1: you linked in the episode description so people can keep
- 37:26Speaker 1: up with you or who knows, maybe they might need
- 37:28Speaker 1: your services. So with that, let's go to closing arguments.
- 37:32Speaker 1: Thanks again for being here and for all the incredible
- 37:35Speaker 1: work you're doing and closing arguments, well, if you start
- 37:39Speaker 1: anything else you want to share with our incredible audience
- 37:42Speaker 1: and with me of course, and then we're gonna let
- 37:45Speaker 1: Anthony take us off into the sunset.
- 37:47Speaker 3: What would be a good closing on this story. It's
- 37:51Speaker 3: that they, as much as they have been screwed, are
- 37:55Speaker 3: trying to give back to get other guys out who
- 37:59Speaker 3: they know are innocent in prison, and they're doing the
- 38:02Speaker 3: best they can with the resources they have. To call
- 38:05Speaker 3: attention to wrongful convictions, to the causes of wrongful convictions,
- 38:10Speaker 3: witness misidentifications. It's the largest cause of wrongful convictions. Sometimes
- 38:16Speaker 3: they're innocent. Sometimes like this, they're intentional, and they're just
- 38:20Speaker 3: trying to do the best they can. To make the
- 38:22Speaker 3: best of the lives that they've got, and they're doing
- 38:25Speaker 3: a very admirable job.
- 38:28Speaker 2: For people that are similarly situated or have loved ones
- 38:30Speaker 2: that's similarly situated, don't give up. The road may seem long,
- 38:38Speaker 2: gloomy and dark, but you got to stay focused, you know,
- 38:43Speaker 2: you got to stay fighting. And now I used to always
- 38:45Speaker 2: encourage the younger brothers, don't get caught up in the
- 38:49Speaker 2: prison politics. Don't get caught up on a basketball court,
- 38:52Speaker 2: on a chest table playing cards. If you're trying to
- 38:56Speaker 2: get out of prison, you have to move like you
- 38:59Speaker 2: want to get out of prison. At talk, walk, sleep,
- 39:03Speaker 2: everything like you want to get out of prison, because
- 39:05Speaker 2: then the officers are gonna respect you in that manner.
- 39:09Speaker 2: A lot of the correctional officers knew my agenda was
- 39:11Speaker 2: to get out of prison. I didn't care about nothing
- 39:15Speaker 2: that was going on in prison, even though I seen
- 39:17Speaker 2: people die in prison, get stabbed in prison. You know,
- 39:21Speaker 2: I had to see some horrific things. And again, like
- 39:23Speaker 2: I said, I found my inner piece in studying the law.
- 39:26Speaker 2: And so you know, I encourage anybody whoever loved want
- 39:29Speaker 2: to go through this and encourage them to stay focused
- 39:33Speaker 2: and on type of their fight to get out of prison.
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