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Two Face: The Grey (Documentary Review) · Conspiracy! The Show

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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, this is Adam, host of the podcast you're
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Speaker 1: about to listen to. Don't skip this. It's not an
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Speaker 1: ad I'm just dropping in to let you know that
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Speaker 1: the documentary that me and Olivia are covering on this
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Speaker 1: week's episode is actually the second of a three part series.
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Speaker 1: We covered the first part of this amazing trilogy of
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Speaker 1: documentaries over on the Pretty Scary Podcast, and we initially
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Speaker 1: released that as a subscriber only bonus episode. But since
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Speaker 1: we are reviewing the second of these three documentaries here
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Speaker 1: on Conspiracy the Show today for free, we also decided
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Speaker 1: downloaded and you can hear us discuss the first of
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Speaker 1: these documentaries, which is called Sir No Face, and then
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Speaker 1: here today on Conspiracy the Show, we are covering part
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Speaker 1: two two, Face the Gray. Not that you need to
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Speaker 1: hear us talk about them in any particular order, but still,
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Speaker 1: if you're some sort of completest or chronologicalist. Then by
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Speaker 1: all means go check out part one of our exploration
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Speaker 1: into this documentary series over on The Pretty Scary Pod.
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Speaker 1: And either way enjoyed today's episode, Let's get to it.
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Speaker 2: Destroy.
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Speaker 3: Welcome to Conspiracy The Show, the world's most trusted conspiracy
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Speaker 3: theory podcast, with your hosts Adam Todd Brown and Olivia Heidar.
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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to Conspiracy Show. I'm Adam Todd Brown.
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Speaker 1: Who are you.
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Speaker 2: I'm Olivia Heidar.
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Speaker 1: That makes us your hosts. Olivia, how excited are you
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Speaker 1: about this week's subject matter?
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Speaker 2: You know, I'm about as excited as any of this
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Speaker 2: is real, so extremely We.
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Speaker 1: Are covering a documentary called two Face the Gray. And
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Speaker 1: here's the thing, this is a documentary we have also
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Speaker 1: covered on The Pretty Scary Podcast. We covered part one,
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Speaker 1: which is called Sir No Face Yeah, and we did
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Speaker 1: that as a bonus episode. And I wanted to just
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Speaker 1: you know, kind of spread the wealth. Why should just
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Speaker 1: Cindy or Ravina have to watch these documentaries when there's
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Speaker 1: a whole plethora of hosts and shows where a documentary
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Speaker 1: of this magnitude and importance could be slotted into the
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Speaker 1: content schedule. Short for schedule saves me time when I talk.
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Speaker 1: So we're covering part two to face the Gray on
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Speaker 1: Conspiracy the show this week. First of all, you watched
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Speaker 1: the first one too, right.
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Speaker 2: I did watch the twenty eighteen film Sir No Face first,
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Speaker 2: most of it. I watched about an hour of it fully,
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Speaker 2: and then I started to skip ahead because I realized
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Speaker 2: that there wasn't going to be anything new happening.
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Speaker 1: So I wonder if you got to the absolute most
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Speaker 1: shocking part of Sir No Face, which is that he
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Speaker 1: uses a jay Z song in it. It's like, how
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Speaker 1: did you clear that?
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Speaker 2: I don't remember the jay Z song? But also I
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Speaker 2: watched it on YouTube, so it might have been muted
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Speaker 2: or something. It was the full thing, but there might
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Speaker 2: have been some clearance issues. But I didn't know that
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Speaker 2: there's a lot of music in these documentaries.
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Speaker 1: There sure is. He's got some interesting directorial flourishes that
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Speaker 1: show up in these documentaries, and I gotta wonder, is
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Speaker 1: that what people like about these? Because this guy's clearly
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Speaker 1: got a following.
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Speaker 2: I have a couple theories about that aspect, definitely, because
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Speaker 2: how is I not going to think about this sort
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Speaker 2: of shit while watching this? But I wanted to say,
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Speaker 2: first of all, I was not expecting the dramatic change
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Speaker 2: in genre between the two films, because the first one
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Speaker 2: is all about ghosts and only ghosts and ghost hunting
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Speaker 2: and paranormal investigations, and this is not about ghosts, Like
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Speaker 2: he just abandons the ghost thing immediately.
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Speaker 1: Well, what's crazy about it is the first documentary, Sir,
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Speaker 1: No Face, is all centered around this very brief bit
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Speaker 1: of footage that the filmmaker, Chad Kaylek argues is just
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Speaker 1: the most definitive proof of a ghost that he's ever seen.
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Speaker 2: It's someone like leaning into frame. Yeah, like it's the
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Speaker 2: fucking weird. Okay, this is the thing for the first movie.
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Speaker 2: We'll just talk about the first movie a little bit, Okay,
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Speaker 2: But that whole first hour they just keep talking about
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Speaker 2: that and how like he showed us this and it
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Speaker 2: was the most definitive thing. I was just shocked by it.
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Speaker 2: And then like they build up for an hour and
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Speaker 2: they show us like other shit that they've taken with,
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Speaker 2: like a flash goes off and we're supposed to just
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Speaker 2: accept their explanation that there was no cause for this
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Speaker 2: flash correct, and then we finally see it. It is literally
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Speaker 2: a two second piece of footage and it's just like
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Speaker 2: someone going like leaning into the frame. That's it. That's
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Speaker 2: all it is.
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Speaker 1: Yes, that is all it is. And he keeps talking
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Speaker 1: about how because this is definitive proof, if they can
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Speaker 1: like really prove it, it's just gonna lead to like
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Speaker 1: fame and fortune for the people film this. And I
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Speaker 1: still argue that's never gonna be the case. There's never
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Speaker 1: gonna be ghost footage that makes a person rich in
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Speaker 1: the age of the Internet.
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Speaker 2: But no, if it's really just like get killed or
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Speaker 2: something like, what are you expecting, how are you gonna
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Speaker 2: make money off of? But also, if it's proof of
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Speaker 2: life after death, is it ethical to make a profit
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Speaker 2: off of that? Not really, I feel like it's not
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Speaker 2: from a journalistic standpoint.
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Speaker 1: And so this documentary twenty eighteen's Sor No Face is
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Speaker 1: all about this footage and what they claim is the
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Speaker 1: Australian government's first and only sanctioned ghost hunt. Oh yeah,
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Speaker 1: And what they really mean by that is that this
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Speaker 1: facility that they are investigating, I think it's called like
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Speaker 1: Kakatoo Island. It's owned by the Australian government and like
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Speaker 1: whatever small part of the Australian government that oversees Kakatoo
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Speaker 1: Island was like, yeah, you can. You can do some
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Speaker 1: ghost hunting there if you want. It's fine.
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Speaker 2: From what I understood from all of the shit that
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Speaker 2: they were talking about the documents that they read, it
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Speaker 2: sounded like it was like a tourist thing where they
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Speaker 2: were gonna open up these historical buildings for tourism and
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Speaker 2: they thought maybe ghost hunting would be a fun thing,
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Speaker 2: and so they were like, well, we'll bring in these
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Speaker 2: local kooks to come and do a ghost test and
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Speaker 2: like get quote unquote proof of ghosts in this place,
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Speaker 2: and then that'll like boost tourism. It wasn't like the
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Speaker 2: fucking Prime Minister of Australia comes and meets these guys,
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Speaker 2: like we have a very special mission for you, mate.
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Speaker 1: Lands in a helicopter. You're the only name we got.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, some random people who Okay, So in the first movie,
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Speaker 2: I love how often he like hypes up how professional
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Speaker 2: this group looks, and they're just just like some guys
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Speaker 2: and some girls, like they're just normal people. He's like, yeah,
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Speaker 2: you could have thought they were like a military unit
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Speaker 2: because they all wore matching sweaters.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they look like every ghost hunting team on television.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then like, the thing that was really confusing
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Speaker 2: to me by the end was like at the beginning,
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Speaker 2: they're like, yeah, we realized that all of these things
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Speaker 2: were taking place in the officers quarters, so we thought
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Speaker 2: you might get better results if we addressed the entity
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Speaker 2: as sir. Yes, And so they do, And that's where
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Speaker 2: sir no Face comes from, because most of the movie
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Speaker 2: they just call him sir, which is kind of weird,
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Speaker 2: and then they give him sir no face because you
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Speaker 2: can't see a face in this shitty fake video. But
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Speaker 2: then they are like, but we analyze the footage and
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Speaker 2: we believe it must be a child because of the hype.
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Speaker 2: But it's like, why would a child only respond to sir?
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Speaker 2: That kind of I feel like that undermines your whole
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Speaker 2: thing that you were just saying.
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Speaker 1: And you're right that the sequel takes quite a shift
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Speaker 1: in tone because it's about the exact same footage. But
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Speaker 1: the way they set it up is, oh, well, we
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Speaker 1: did the certain no Face documentary and we went on
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Speaker 1: the road, and what kept happening is audiences would see
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Speaker 1: this and inevitably someone would be like, no, that's an alien,
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Speaker 1: and that somehow is the impetus for them to completely
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Speaker 1: pivot to, Oh, okay, yeah, this is an alien. We saw.
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Speaker 1: It's not a ghost.
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Speaker 2: It's card this entire fucking movie, so the first and
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Speaker 2: it's like, no, actually no, it's aliens. Fuck off, I'm sorry,
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Speaker 2: And also was driving me insane watching it. Why the
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Speaker 2: absolute fuck is it cold two Face the Gray? That's
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Speaker 2: never explained, not once, where did the name two face?
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Speaker 2: Like that was all bullshit, but I at least understood
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Speaker 2: where the name, sir no Face came from. They made
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Speaker 2: a very sincere effort to track how the entity was named,
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Speaker 2: and now that just like, oh fuck it. Now it's
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Speaker 2: two Face the Gray. He's a gray. He's definitely a gray.
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Speaker 2: You know, all of these people must be right, even
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Speaker 2: though presumably the majority of the people that they show
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Speaker 2: it to thought it was a ghost.
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Speaker 1: Right. Yeah. They spend that whole first movie just being like,
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Speaker 1: this is the most definitive proof of ghosts we've ever seen,
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Speaker 1: and then they start this one and they're like, ah,
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Speaker 1: never mind, just joking. They break it into chapters. In
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Speaker 1: the first chapter is called but you said it was
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Speaker 1: a ghost?
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Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, and like this guy, he's like a paranormal guy,
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Speaker 2: Like he's not an alien guy. All of his credits
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Speaker 2: are about ghost shit.
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Speaker 1: Yes, his name's Chad Kaylik c al e K. It
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Speaker 1: seems like he's got a bit of a following, Like
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Speaker 1: he's making movies, he's going on road, yeah, and screening
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Speaker 1: cell tickets. Yeah. He's got a podcast, of course he does.
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Speaker 1: He's got one of those conspiracy type podcasts that I
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Speaker 1: really hate, where he's like, let's examine this footage that
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Speaker 1: clearly shows two rockets hitting the moon, And it takes
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Speaker 1: like a second and a half to google it and
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Speaker 1: find out that the guy who doctored that footage came
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Speaker 1: out and said, yeah, I was doing it just to
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Speaker 1: you know, practice doing video graphics. I hate that so much.
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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, this guy clearly is no expert on
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Speaker 2: CGI special effects. In the first movie, he talks about
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Speaker 2: how someone on the other team actually had a history
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Speaker 2: in professional grade CGI effects and they show and it's
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Speaker 2: like some fucking after effects bullshit I could whip up
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Speaker 2: in no time.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing. The first documentary is him trying
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Speaker 1: to poke holes in this team that allegedly found this
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Speaker 1: ghost footage. And yeah. One of the things he brings
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Speaker 1: up is, well, I know they said, you know, no
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Speaker 1: one on the team has any animation skills, so I
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Speaker 1: know they couldn't have like made this with CGI. And
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Speaker 1: then he watches some video of some TV show pilot
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Speaker 1: they shot, Yeah it was, and it's got these like
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Speaker 1: stock Adobe after effects animations in him. And he's like,
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Speaker 1: but you said you're not an animator, and the guy's like,
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Speaker 1: fucking I'm not.
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Speaker 2: That's like, but then he talked to the guy from Transformer,
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Speaker 2: this visual effects guy from Transformers, one of the millions
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Speaker 2: of visual effects guys you worked on Transformers.
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Speaker 1: No, there's just the just the one guy.
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Speaker 2: The only one guy, where of course, yeah, it definitely
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Speaker 2: wasn't a team of dozens, Like they talked to this
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Speaker 2: guy and he's like, I couldn't even recreate this in CGI,
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Speaker 2: as if that's the only explanation for this video. It's
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Speaker 2: so annoying because that first movie, like I was saying,
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Speaker 2: it took like an hour to get to the actual
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Speaker 2: shit I wanted to see, which was this so called
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Speaker 2: convincing clip. And it's like in the first five minutes
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Speaker 2: of this equal fucking waste of time you only to
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Speaker 2: have watched the first movie at all for this one.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because this sequel essentially renders that first movie obsolete.
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Speaker 1: Everything they said in the first movie flies out the window.
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Speaker 1: All the ghosts shit, none of that matters, because now aliens.
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Speaker 2: One of the most annoying things about I can't say
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Speaker 2: the most annoying, because there's like a fucking billion annoying
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Speaker 2: things about this but one of the most annoying things
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Speaker 2: about this movie is that it ends on a cliffhanger
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Speaker 2: with to be continued. Do you think the third movie
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Speaker 2: just totally disregards it comes up with a whole new
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Speaker 2: thing for it to be, because that would actually be
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Speaker 2: kind of daring.
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Speaker 1: There is a third movie. It's already out.
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Speaker 2: It's out, Okay, I wasn't sure when this one had
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Speaker 2: come out.
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Speaker 1: The third movie is called Phantom Rider, and I will say,
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Speaker 1: to its credit, it is only sixty five minutes long
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Speaker 1: and it came out in twenty twenty, but it is
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Speaker 1: the continuation of the Sir No Face story. There is
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Speaker 1: a third movie that you have just doomed us to covering.
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Speaker 2: I guess, I mean we have to, because if this
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Speaker 2: one didn't end with to be continued, then I would
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Speaker 2: probably argue that we could leave this, but the fact
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Speaker 2: that it has the fucking cajones to pull a to
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Speaker 2: be continued on a not interesting story that did not
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Speaker 2: have any actual cliff fingers Other than that's all we
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Speaker 2: got the end.
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Speaker 1: This documentary is a master class in how to make
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Speaker 1: a documentary about an hour too long. Yeah, did we
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Speaker 1: need a clip from the Drummer of the Black Crows
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Speaker 1: podcast that shit carried on for like fifteen minutes?
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Speaker 2: Well, well, well, I would say that yes, because of
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Speaker 2: the actual goal of this documentary, it makes sense to
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Speaker 2: include this stuff. Because this documentary is more than aliens,
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Speaker 2: more than ghosts. This documentary is purely about myth making
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Speaker 2: for this fucking guy. It is, yes, trying to make
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Speaker 2: him seem like the coolest, baddest ass fucking paranormal investigator
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Speaker 2: whoever fucking lived.
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Speaker 1: And it's really about trying to tie him into like
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Speaker 1: one of the biggest government conspiracies of all time. This
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Speaker 1: kind of ends with him being like New World Order,
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Speaker 1: I'm the real target, and it's like, dude, oh you're not. No,
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Speaker 1: he's not over yourself.
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Speaker 2: That's one of the things I don't think that is possible.
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Speaker 2: I don't think he can't.
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Speaker 1: That's one of the things I hate the most about
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Speaker 1: this documentary. It's so dramatic.
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Speaker 2: I hate it so much.
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Speaker 1: He does this thing where he'll end a segment and
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Speaker 1: like he'll let the last line echo echo, echo.
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Speaker 2: He'll let the last line echo. He'll let the last
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Speaker 2: line echo, He'll let the last like it's always like
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Speaker 2: a full sentence. It's so annoying because what you're doing
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Speaker 2: is like dramatic echoing, and that sucks, but it makes sense.
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Speaker 2: He repeats whole sentences, even including like people's like ums
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Speaker 2: and pauses and like things that don't make for good
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Speaker 2: repeating sound bites.
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Speaker 1: And then sometimes the sentence will change a little bit,
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Speaker 1: like it'll echo, and then they'll add a word back
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Speaker 1: to it, and it'll like, how do you think echoes work?
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Speaker 1: This is?
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Speaker 2: And also sometimes he just repeats himself and you keep
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Speaker 2: expecting for that to keep going. But no, that's just
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Speaker 2: part of how he speaks.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the echo thing. People at home have to see
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Speaker 1: it to understand what we're saying.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, you have to have watched one of these
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Speaker 2: movies all the way through to really understand how pervasive
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Speaker 2: from beginning to end it is.
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Speaker 1: I would argue that along with being completely full of shit,
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Speaker 1: it is his signature filmmaking technique.
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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it's being completely full of shit, this stupid
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Speaker 2: echo shit and retelling anything that happens to him in
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Speaker 2: a way that seems the most personally glorifying to him.
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Speaker 1: Yes, And so this chapter it's about how a bunch
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Speaker 1: of people, media included, thought that maybe Sir No Face
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Speaker 1: was actually an alien. And what we find out is
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Speaker 1: that by media he means morning radio show hosts, which you, Nope,
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Speaker 1: not the same thing, Bud, It's very different.
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Speaker 2: You don't think the Morning Zoo in Cleveland, Ohio counts
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Speaker 2: as the media.
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Speaker 1: I mean by the textbook definition. Sure, sure, not the
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Speaker 1: way he means it. But also, conveniently, even though all
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Speaker 1: of these people pointed it out while they were out
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Speaker 1: on tour and they had never mentioned it before. Conveniently,
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Speaker 1: it's a team member who gets credit for first pointing
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Speaker 1: out that this is an alien, and that is Nicky Powell,
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Speaker 1: who is the wife of Craig Powell. They are the
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Speaker 1: husband and wife team that run the paranormal unit that
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Speaker 1: actually captured this footage. Right, Chad KLK just met this
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Speaker 1: guy at one point when he was touring behind some
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Speaker 1: other movie he made.
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Speaker 2: If that's the thing, like this movie, sir no face
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Speaker 2: began with him on a fucking tour to promote his
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Speaker 2: last film like this seems to be his other trademark
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Speaker 2: is that all of his movies begin with the tour
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Speaker 2: for the last movie. But like Craig Powell, we should
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Speaker 2: talk a little bit about him, although he doesn't have
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Speaker 2: a very big role in this movie, at least compared
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Speaker 2: to previously.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, not really, like he's in it. He's interviewed a bunch.
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Speaker 1: His wife is in it. But yeah, Craig Powell and
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Speaker 1: Chad Klk are two separate entities. Supposedly, Yes, supposedly, and
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Speaker 1: the first documentary is about Chad Klk trying to find
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Speaker 1: any instance where Craig Powell and his team are lying
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Speaker 1: or being dishonest. It includes a lengthy segment where Chad
19:14
Speaker 1: Klick questions Craig Powell on his claim that he used
19:17
Speaker 1: to play professional rugby. Yeah, it's insane.
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Speaker 2: If nothing else, the first movie is a bromance between
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Speaker 2: these two men who find each other so enduring and charming,
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Speaker 2: and so much of the first movie is Chad talking
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Speaker 2: about how much of a natural leader Craig is and
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Speaker 2: he's so charismatic, like he really likes this guy, which,
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Speaker 2: you know, more power to him. But yeah, the fact
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Speaker 2: that after all of this, and again after they go
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Speaker 2: to Australia again to promote this film, and after a
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Speaker 2: bunch of people have said shit about it being an alien,
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Speaker 2: that's when Nicky is like, you know, I thought was
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Speaker 2: an alien at first?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, which way to hop hop on board that
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Speaker 1: train right at the last minute, Jesus. But it's fine.
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Speaker 2: Sure, it's like the least objectionable thing in this movie.
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Speaker 1: So chapter two Queensland's tattoo faced man. Sure, which I
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Speaker 1: got some questions about this guy. We'll get to him later.
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Speaker 1: This incident allegedly happened March twentieth, twenty sixteen. Happy birthday
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Speaker 1: to me. Wow, these Dufases are at a tour stop
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Speaker 1: for one of their shows and once again they're in Australia,
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Speaker 1: and I just want people listening at home to get
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Speaker 1: that point in your head. Chad KAYLK goes to Australia
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Speaker 1: a lot. Yes, just remember that it's gonna be important later.
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Speaker 2: I like that this happened in Townsville, Australia, which is
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Speaker 2: one of the fakest sounding you names. I'm pretty sure
20:55
Speaker 2: that's where the Powerpuff Girls took place, Like it's that
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Speaker 2: kind of a name.
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Speaker 1: And so they're at this tour stop and Craig Powell
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Speaker 1: says a guy comes barreling in the room straight towards
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Speaker 1: him and says he needs to speak to Chad Klck
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Speaker 1: right now. And he says the energy in the room
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Speaker 1: changed when the guy came in, and honestly, if he
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Speaker 1: had a bunch of face tattoos, I'm just gonna attribute
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Speaker 1: it to that. When face tattoo guy walks in the room,
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Speaker 1: the energy changes any room.
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Speaker 2: He had face tattoos and a crocodile dundee hat on. Yes, yes,
21:29
Speaker 2: basically how it's described like you see a picture of
21:32
Speaker 2: him in the audience and it's got the site flipped up.
21:35
Speaker 2: That's like to be the classic and Australia thing.
21:39
Speaker 1: He hands Chad Kaylck a plastic box full of information.
21:45
Speaker 2: M h.
21:46
Speaker 1: And I'm really distracted at this point in the movie
21:49
Speaker 1: because it's clear Chad Klek has pink eye or some shit.
21:53
Speaker 1: And yeah, he insists on doing all of his direct
21:57
Speaker 1: to the camera stuff with this that is so tight
22:01
Speaker 1: on his face and it follows his face everywhere, and
22:05
Speaker 1: I just cannot stop looking at his inflamed right eye.
22:09
Speaker 1: It's driving me not.
22:10
Speaker 2: I didn't notice that, but it is another one of
22:13
Speaker 2: these conspiracy documentaries that seems like most of it was
22:17
Speaker 2: shot in a day. Yeah, just a day, other than
22:21
Speaker 2: like the stuff of them on vacation.
22:24
Speaker 1: Right, which there's lots of that, lots of footage of
22:26
Speaker 1: this guy fishing because I needed to see that good stuff.
22:30
Speaker 2: Uh huh.
22:31
Speaker 1: So, anyway, back to this fuck face with the face tattoo.
22:35
Speaker 1: He gives Chad Kleck this package and leaves forever. And
22:40
Speaker 1: in this package there are quote, incredible photos of UFOs
22:45
Speaker 1: that echoes about twenty six times that long.
22:48
Speaker 2: Over, some pictures of blobs.
22:51
Speaker 1: Yes over what look like your standard fare pictures of UFOs.
22:56
Speaker 2: The least convincing UFO pictures that I have seen in
23:01
Speaker 2: maybe my entire time doing this show.
23:04
Speaker 1: Incredible photos of human bodies that had been mutilated.
23:09
Speaker 2: Which are like flashed on screen, oh so dramatically, maps
23:14
Speaker 2: to bases sure, and a correspondence with Vicente Fox.
23:18
Speaker 1: It's like what former president of Mexico people at home.
23:22
Speaker 1: Of course, quote from Chad Kaylek, there was a lot
23:26
Speaker 1: of information and it all looked extremely authentic end quote,
23:31
Speaker 1: compared to what like you're a paranormal investigator up to
23:34
Speaker 1: this point, Like this looks extremely authentic compared to what
23:38
Speaker 1: all the other UFO information you've seen.
23:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like where did this guy get it? The
23:43
Speaker 2: guy with face tattoos? That question is never.
23:45
Speaker 1: Asked, never asked. No, they just trust that. I mean,
23:49
Speaker 1: this guy's got face tattoos. He's not gonna lie to us.
23:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally.
23:53
Speaker 1: So we get so we again, we get some really
23:56
Speaker 1: clutch footage of him fishing at the Great Barrier Reef.
24:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like, his voice always like, yeah, you know,
24:03
Speaker 2: I had to put this aside so he could go.
24:06
Speaker 2: I didn't want it to ruin our day at the
24:08
Speaker 2: Great Barrier Reef. But you know, the whole time, and
24:11
Speaker 2: like it's just footage of them on vacation and he's
24:13
Speaker 2: like and the voice always like the whole time. I
24:16
Speaker 2: just couldn't stop thinking about that information.
24:18
Speaker 1: And his claim is so silly. He claims that he
24:23
Speaker 1: was looking over this information and then decided he wasn't
24:27
Speaker 1: going to do anything with it. So he just threw
24:29
Speaker 1: it in the trash can in his hotel room. It's like, yeah,
24:32
Speaker 1: you would not actually do that.
24:37
Speaker 2: No, And then he was like and then I grabbed
24:39
Speaker 2: it out and took it with me.
24:40
Speaker 1: Oh, he says, he started leaving and then went back
24:43
Speaker 1: up to the room to retrieve it. It's like, stop
24:46
Speaker 1: at Chad, you're being a real Chad right now.
24:49
Speaker 2: He is not a Chad. He is a beta male.
24:53
Speaker 1: So chapter three is called The Knockers in the Holy Grail,
24:56
Speaker 1: and like, we're about to talk about some titties, huh
24:59
Speaker 1: no or not? Knockers just means to two guys who
25:04
Speaker 1: allegedly knocked on Craig Powell's door.
25:06
Speaker 2: I mean, both Craig and Chad seem like the kind
25:09
Speaker 2: of dudes who would call tits knockers.
25:12
Speaker 1: Exactly why I thought that was going. So Craig Powell
25:17
Speaker 1: says that at one point, these two guys that they
25:19
Speaker 1: called knockers, they showed up and told him the Sir
25:22
Speaker 1: No Face movie isn't happening, So it's supposed to be
25:26
Speaker 1: like a men in Black kind of thing.
25:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, was he saying that the Sir No Face or
25:31
Speaker 2: the two Face movie wasn't happening, sirs, this is all
25:35
Speaker 2: happened because like the Sir No Face movie had already
25:37
Speaker 2: come out. How is that not happening? This is how
25:39
Speaker 2: all of this had started.
25:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess he was saying this incident happened before
25:43
Speaker 1: Sir No Face came out. But then why wouldn't you
25:47
Speaker 1: mention that in the Sir No Face.
25:48
Speaker 2: Movie if that was the case. I did not understand
25:52
Speaker 2: that at all.
25:53
Speaker 1: Either way, they are hung up on the fact that
25:57
Speaker 1: these two guys just kind of disappeared up the driveway.
26:01
Speaker 1: And unfortunately, Craig Powell, documentary filmmaker, seemingly filming everything in
26:06
Speaker 1: his life at all.
26:07
Speaker 2: Times Paranormal Investigator.
26:10
Speaker 1: Did not have any cameras rolling and could not capture
26:14
Speaker 1: any footage of these two men. In the age of
26:18
Speaker 1: ring doorbells, no one had one rolling.
26:21
Speaker 2: He had the classic. I had to go grab my
26:23
Speaker 2: phone and catch a video, and by the time I
26:26
Speaker 2: got back, they were gone.
26:27
Speaker 1: Yeah and no they weren't.
26:30
Speaker 2: No, they weren't, or maybe they were. Who knows. I
26:32
Speaker 2: mean Jesus again, like he talks so much about how
26:34
Speaker 2: fucking long his driveway is, it look like a driveway, man.
26:38
Speaker 2: I don't know, it doesn't seem that long.
26:41
Speaker 1: I love that one of his kids is named Diesel.
26:44
Speaker 1: You're giving that kid a lot to live up to
26:46
Speaker 1: in the future.
26:47
Speaker 2: Again, it fits the vibe, it.
26:50
Speaker 1: Sure does of this guy. So chapter four, The Unknowns
26:55
Speaker 1: of Sir No Face. I love that this part opens
27:00
Speaker 1: with Craig Powell talking about how making money is frowned
27:03
Speaker 1: upon in the ghost hunting world.
27:06
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, ch no, it's.
27:08
Speaker 1: Not what are you talking about.
27:11
Speaker 2: I feel like that's something he tells himself to feel
27:15
Speaker 2: better about the fact that he has not made money
27:18
Speaker 2: ghost hunting.
27:19
Speaker 1: It's like, I paid Amazon to rent this documentary, to.
27:25
Speaker 2: Be fair, I watched it on YouTube.
27:27
Speaker 1: But you know, so what they're getting at in this
27:30
Speaker 1: section here is that the Australian government didn't just want
27:34
Speaker 1: them to ghost hunt at Kakatoo Island, but that they
27:37
Speaker 1: were going to pay them to do it. Sure, and
27:39
Speaker 1: Chad says it's like they wanted them to be there,
27:43
Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, they invited him, So yeah, that's
27:46
Speaker 1: not as dramatic as you're making it out to be, Bud.
27:50
Speaker 2: Like, of course they wanted them to be there. They
27:51
Speaker 2: were going to pay the money to be there.
27:54
Speaker 1: And they talk about how the government stiffed them, didn't
27:58
Speaker 1: pay them. They say it they shut down Cockatoo Island
28:01
Speaker 1: the next day. And this is all supposed to be
28:03
Speaker 1: because that footage they found was so shocking.
28:06
Speaker 2: Sure, but the problem is didn't the government send them
28:09
Speaker 2: there to get that footage? And if not, then why
28:12
Speaker 2: did they send them there? I guess it was to
28:15
Speaker 2: have an alien well encounter.
28:17
Speaker 1: Chad kaylk has a theory about why they were sent there,
28:20
Speaker 1: and that's what makes this part kind of important because
28:24
Speaker 1: they're saying, you know, they went, they were there for
28:27
Speaker 1: a day and did their ghost hunting, and then the
28:30
Speaker 1: government shut it down and stiffed them on their money.
28:33
Speaker 1: That part is going to matter later when Chad Kayleck
28:36
Speaker 1: finally pivots back around to the ultimate point here, which
28:40
Speaker 1: is that it seems like he suspects that the government
28:44
Speaker 1: was like experimenting on this ghost hunting team and wanted
28:48
Speaker 1: to see what their interactions with this alien would be like.
28:51
Speaker 1: And it's like, well, if that's the case, then why
28:53
Speaker 1: did they shut this down so quick? Why wouldn't they
28:56
Speaker 1: just have them spend the whole time there and see
29:00
Speaker 1: what the experience with the alien is like, did you
29:03
Speaker 1: think we would not remember that later on in the
29:05
Speaker 1: movie that you said they shut it down and kicked
29:08
Speaker 1: them out of there right away, because that's not how
29:11
Speaker 1: you experiment on someone and see what their experience is
29:15
Speaker 1: with an alien.
29:16
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I don't know. Man, It becomes so
29:20
Speaker 2: unspeakably difficult to track the point once we're past this
29:26
Speaker 2: stuff that we're talking about right now, everything becomes so
29:29
Speaker 2: hard to follow that I couldn't tell you what the
29:32
Speaker 2: point was.
29:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, it gets very confusing, and yeah, that's his whole
29:39
Speaker 1: point in this section is I think the government wanted
29:42
Speaker 1: them there so they could study this team's interaction with
29:46
Speaker 1: this alien. And it's like, well, then why did they
29:48
Speaker 1: shut it down and kick them out?
29:50
Speaker 2: Yeah? I have no idea. There's no answer to that,
29:52
Speaker 2: because all of this is a lie. But I don't know.
29:56
Speaker 2: I don't know what their answer would be. We should
29:58
Speaker 2: talk about the time loss.
30:00
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I say this all the time
30:02
Speaker 1: on pretty scary. When it comes to ghost adventures type
30:06
Speaker 1: shows and ghost hunting things, it's a lot like religion. Yeah,
30:11
Speaker 1: you have to exercise a whole lot of faith in
30:14
Speaker 1: the idea that these people are not lying to you.
30:18
Speaker 1: And in this case we get Nikki Powell, Craig Powell's wife,
30:22
Speaker 1: claiming that at one point when they were filming sir
30:26
Speaker 1: no face, she experienced time loss.
30:29
Speaker 2: Right where, which alarms Chad because you know, in all
30:33
Speaker 2: of his experience, time loss isn't associated with paranormal encounters.
30:38
Speaker 2: Time loss is exclusively associated with aliens.
30:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, so very convenient that we are traveling back in
30:47
Speaker 1: time and now going oh yeah, in that first documentary
30:50
Speaker 1: time loss, we just put it on the editing room floor.
30:53
Speaker 1: Nothing that important, you know, there was.
30:55
Speaker 2: Just a glut of other solid evidence that we didn't
31:00
Speaker 2: need to include everything. Why be exhaustive in our proof
31:05
Speaker 2: of the existence of life after death?
31:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, once you get that one bit of footage,
31:10
Speaker 1: your job is done exactly. So. Yeah, and that's just
31:13
Speaker 1: presented like there's no real proof, because how do you
31:17
Speaker 1: prove that there's just a veeo of her being like, well,
31:21
Speaker 1: you know, an hour had passed, but we'd only been
31:23
Speaker 1: filming nine minutes.
31:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then they show that piece of footage which
31:27
Speaker 2: is someone saying, how long have we been here? It's
31:30
Speaker 2: been an hour? I feel it's only been nine minutes.
31:32
Speaker 2: We're like, that's all the footage is.
31:35
Speaker 1: That's it, and you just gotta tru it. You just
31:37
Speaker 1: got to trust that they're not lying.
31:39
Speaker 2: Why is this coming up now? I need to know?
31:43
Speaker 1: So now Chapter five Charles Michael David Kaylik it's called
31:49
Speaker 1: So it turns out Chad's name isn't Chad. And he
31:52
Speaker 1: tells us this guy showed up and that this guy
31:55
Speaker 1: was a black hat agent who used to spread misinformation
32:00
Speaker 1: to discredit people. Uh huh, And we know those people exist.
32:03
Speaker 2: That's a thing, sure, and you should always trust them
32:06
Speaker 2: when they're telling you the real truth.
32:08
Speaker 1: This time, yes, he shows up and says, well, now
32:10
Speaker 1: he's ready to right his wrongs by sharing the absolute
32:14
Speaker 1: truth about everything.
32:16
Speaker 2: And Chad, was this guy Skyfall or was that a
32:20
Speaker 2: different guy?
32:21
Speaker 1: I think this was Skyfall.
32:22
Speaker 2: Because I love that the guy's name is Daniel David
32:26
Speaker 2: Skyfall is how he introduces himself. And Chad's like, I
32:31
Speaker 2: don't know. It sounded like a Bond villain and I'm
32:33
Speaker 2: like it was a movie. It was a movie called Skyfall.
32:37
Speaker 2: That's a Bond movie. You're not just coming up with that.
32:40
Speaker 2: You don't get to be clever.
32:43
Speaker 1: Oh man, these movies, So this movie suck. And so
32:49
Speaker 1: because this guy knew Chad's middle name, yeah, he decides
32:53
Speaker 1: that everything this guy said and everything he showed him
32:57
Speaker 1: is real because no one knows che Klek's middle name Pal.
33:02
Speaker 2: And apparently, like it's a trick question, like he asked
33:04
Speaker 2: what his middle name is as like a way of
33:06
Speaker 2: proving that he knows things about him, and it's like
33:09
Speaker 2: a trick question because he actually has two middle names, yeah,
33:13
Speaker 2: but he prefers one.
33:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the guy the guy says that he's like, well,
33:17
Speaker 1: which middle name do you prefer?
33:19
Speaker 2: And it's like, okay, first of all, if this is
33:22
Speaker 2: a real interaction, which who knows, there's no evidence of
33:26
Speaker 2: it being real, but let's just assume if this is
33:29
Speaker 2: a real interaction. There are a lot of ways to
33:33
Speaker 2: come about come by that information. There's nothing special about.
33:36
Speaker 1: That, no, no, And even then, yeah, it's not proof
33:41
Speaker 1: that this guy is anything more than just another government
33:45
Speaker 1: agent here to give you misinformation. But I feel like
33:50
Speaker 1: he's also setting it up in that way because then
33:53
Speaker 1: if someone does definitively prove how fake this is, he
33:56
Speaker 1: can be like, yeah, I guess I'm a victim the
33:58
Speaker 1: government showed up and gave me information too bad for me.
34:02
Speaker 1: I trust in him, and it's like, I don't think
34:05
Speaker 1: the government cares that much about this. No, so he says,
34:10
Speaker 1: this guy who showed up told him that he and
34:12
Speaker 1: Craig quote stumbled upon a situation that is much bigger
34:16
Speaker 1: than us and quote And here's the thing. If that
34:20
Speaker 1: was true, the government would just kill you. They wouldn't
34:22
Speaker 1: let you keep making movies.
34:24
Speaker 2: No, this guy's too important to kill. See Chad kaylk.
34:28
Speaker 2: He's the backbone of our society.
34:30
Speaker 1: And you know that would be his argument as well.
34:33
Speaker 1: I'm such a public figure. It's too visible, too visible,
34:36
Speaker 1: they would know that the government did it. And it's like, dude,
34:40
Speaker 1: the government could stage a fucking car accident and people
34:43
Speaker 1: could suspect for time eternal that they did it and
34:47
Speaker 1: no one would ever prove it. If the government wanted
34:50
Speaker 1: to kill you, they would do it.
34:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, But no they're not. No, it's just he's
34:58
Speaker 2: too important.
34:59
Speaker 1: He's way too so oh man. That brings us to
35:05
Speaker 1: the Tall Tale of Daniel David Skyfall. This is long.
35:11
Speaker 2: This stuff that we're about to talk about, All of
35:14
Speaker 2: the combined history element takes up almost the entire runtime
35:20
Speaker 2: of the documentary. I was baffled watching it.
35:23
Speaker 1: And is he implying that this voiceover we're hearing is
35:27
Speaker 1: like an audio recording that was in these files that.
35:31
Speaker 2: This governs him, isn't it.
35:33
Speaker 1: See that's the thing. I think we were supposed to
35:36
Speaker 1: believe that this was Daniel David's Skyfall telling us the
35:40
Speaker 1: story of what happened. And it's like, no, it's just
35:43
Speaker 1: you putting on like an old timey voice like this. Oh.
35:46
Speaker 2: I didn't even know. It just sounded like him. I
35:49
Speaker 2: didn't notice that he was doing a voice. It sounded
35:51
Speaker 2: like maybe he was reading. Like again, this is where
35:54
Speaker 2: I totally lost the thread of what this documentary was
35:58
Speaker 2: actually about. Everything from here on out, I don't understand
36:02
Speaker 2: what it has to do with Sirno Face or Australia
36:07
Speaker 2: or anything other than like a couple of vague allusions.
36:10
Speaker 2: At the very end, this stuff was nonsense.
36:13
Speaker 1: Yeah. He basically runs down kind of the entire history
36:20
Speaker 1: of our interactions with UFOs, like all the famous stories
36:24
Speaker 1: he talks about the Nazis going to Antarctica to well
36:29
Speaker 1: for oil or no a Soviet expedition.
36:32
Speaker 2: And like he talks about how like there was a
36:34
Speaker 2: secret competition between the United States, the Soviets, and China
36:39
Speaker 2: to look for uranium in Antarctica. And I'm like, dude,
36:43
Speaker 2: you're saying this took place in nineteen thirty one. China
36:46
Speaker 2: is a little preoccupied with Japan raping and pillaging their
36:50
Speaker 2: cities around this time, which began in Earnest a few
36:54
Speaker 2: years after this, but like many people say, began before this.
36:59
Speaker 2: So I don't know if China is really competing with
37:02
Speaker 2: us to go after these resources in Antarctica right now
37:06
Speaker 2: in nineteen thirty one. Not to mention the fact that
37:08
Speaker 2: every other thing that he fucking says is nonsense, like
37:12
Speaker 2: the bronze aliens. Again, I've never heard of bronze aliens.
37:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, he says, this Soviet expedition to Antarctica to look
37:20
Speaker 1: for oil and uranium was chased away by a team
37:23
Speaker 1: of twelve foot tall bronze aliens. And one of the
37:28
Speaker 1: things that is important to note is that the Soviet
37:31
Speaker 1: expedition told these aliens why they were there, and the
37:35
Speaker 1: aliens were like, we know why you're here, and we
37:37
Speaker 1: knew you were coming. Important detail as we get through
37:40
Speaker 1: this story, is it well, it's important because here, as usual,
37:46
Speaker 1: kind of undoes his own storytelling at one point, but
37:49
Speaker 1: we'll get there. So the Nazis learn about this and
37:53
Speaker 1: they send their own team there. But the Nazis are
37:56
Speaker 1: somehow able to shoot down a bell shaped object that
38:00
Speaker 1: has two gray animals inside. No explanation as to how
38:05
Speaker 1: the Nazis were able to get the drop on these motherfuckers.
38:09
Speaker 1: But when the Soviets showed up, they were like, we
38:11
Speaker 1: knew you were coming. It's fine, it's fine.
38:15
Speaker 2: And also it goes without saying that there's not a
38:18
Speaker 2: single shred of real evidence for anything that is said
38:21
Speaker 2: in the rest of the documentary. Just want to be
38:23
Speaker 2: clear about that upfront.
38:24
Speaker 1: Correct, this is the evidence.
38:27
Speaker 2: This is it. This is all they got.
38:29
Speaker 1: And so they take that technology back to Germany to
38:32
Speaker 1: reverse engineer it.
38:34
Speaker 2: And that's why Germany won the war, because they had
38:36
Speaker 2: alien technology exactly.
38:38
Speaker 1: They bring up the Battle of Los Angeles, which is
38:40
Speaker 1: a genuinely interesting incident, but it is not sure what
38:45
Speaker 1: it has to do with anything here.
38:47
Speaker 2: And it's a good album as well.
38:49
Speaker 1: I'm not a big rage against a machine fan. It's
38:52
Speaker 1: a topic for another day. Yeah, So the Nazis lose
38:56
Speaker 1: the war, Werner, von Braun, nuclear weapons, YadA, YadA, YadA.
39:00
Speaker 1: How about the music during that Oppenheimer quote. I don't
39:03
Speaker 1: even remember it now, Yeah, but in the moment, I
39:07
Speaker 1: was just like, what is happening?
39:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't remember it either. I just know that
39:11
Speaker 2: it's good that he put it in there, because that
39:13
Speaker 2: Oppenheimer quote isn't that dramatic on its own. I mean,
39:17
Speaker 2: come on, it's only one of the most famous things
39:21
Speaker 2: that the human being has ever said. I guess we
39:23
Speaker 2: need some music behind it.
39:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like it sounded like Enya or something
39:28
Speaker 1: like that. And so they cut to some guy talking
39:33
Speaker 1: on old timey television about the natural resources of Antarctica.
39:37
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.
39:38
Speaker 1: And I feel like he's building up to the false
39:41
Speaker 1: flag theory, which he does eventually will get there. So
39:45
Speaker 1: here's where things get conclucted.
39:46
Speaker 2: Which false there's a lot of false flags.
39:49
Speaker 1: The false flag theory that says the United States at
39:52
Speaker 1: some point is going to stage a fake alien Oh vase, sure.
39:56
Speaker 2: Sure, Yeah, that's kind of his thing.
39:59
Speaker 1: Right, And so so he says we shot down the
40:01
Speaker 1: UFOs at roswell. That's an entirely new twist on the
40:05
Speaker 1: Roswell story.
40:06
Speaker 2: I'm sure I've heard a theory like that before, because
40:09
Speaker 2: basically any explanation for Roswell has been made at this point,
40:14
Speaker 2: so there's nobody that's new.
40:16
Speaker 1: But yeah, what did you think about the Antarctic Treaty.
40:21
Speaker 1: What he claims is that the biggest countries of the
40:24
Speaker 1: world agree to not militarize Antarctica, and this is based
40:28
Speaker 1: on an agreement we made with the aliens who lived there.
40:32
Speaker 1: But it's a trick. We actually just did that to
40:35
Speaker 1: appease those fucking bone heads, and then we started building
40:38
Speaker 1: bases there, fucking alien dix. But also, what about that
40:42
Speaker 1: thing where they knew we were coming when the Soviets
40:47
Speaker 1: showed up. Yeah, now, just because they signed this piece
40:50
Speaker 1: of paper, they're like, yeah, the Earthlings wouldn't double cross us.
40:55
Speaker 1: We don't have to worry about it anymore. Like, why
40:57
Speaker 1: wouldn't they just fucking kill you for building those bases.
41:01
Speaker 2: Again, it's this contradictory notion that we've had to run
41:04
Speaker 2: up against a lot when we're talking about aliens, which
41:07
Speaker 2: is they are intergalactic species that have apparently mastered space
41:13
Speaker 2: and time and are able to travel great distances very quickly,
41:17
Speaker 2: and yet they can be tricked by a fake treaty. Yeah,
41:23
Speaker 2: it makes sense.
41:25
Speaker 1: And then shortly after that they talk about an expedition
41:28
Speaker 1: that was turned away via alien violence. So it's like, well,
41:32
Speaker 1: how are we building bases? Then they didn't just show
41:34
Speaker 1: up and blow up those bases, right.
41:37
Speaker 2: They didn't notice that we were building military bases?
41:41
Speaker 1: Yeah? Did they just fly over us and go, hey
41:43
Speaker 1: the treaty? Though?
41:45
Speaker 2: Also, we don't have military. I mean, we have military,
41:48
Speaker 2: but they're not like they're scientific military basis. I guess
41:52
Speaker 2: that's part of the conspiracy.
41:53
Speaker 1: But exactly. Yeah, at this point, I think it's important
41:58
Speaker 1: to remind listen that when it comes to documentaries, you
42:02
Speaker 1: want to have a healthy suspension of disbelief going in. Yeah,
42:05
Speaker 1: you know, it's vital to getting through a documentary like this,
42:10
Speaker 1: Just at least turn that off for a little bit.
42:13
Speaker 2: Ask yourself, like, is there a tactical advantage to the
42:16
Speaker 2: military having a base in Antarctica, a place where people
42:20
Speaker 2: cannot live? Yeah, it was like, it's not that essential.
42:24
Speaker 1: So we can get all that uranium. So then we
42:27
Speaker 1: get into the moon landing again.
42:29
Speaker 2: This is where I just was lost this whole time
42:31
Speaker 2: because I didn't understand why we were now all of
42:33
Speaker 2: a sudden talking about fake moon landings.
42:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, he says the footage is fake, but that we
42:40
Speaker 1: did actually go to the moon.
42:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't get that. I also love that he
42:49
Speaker 2: was like, you know, he's talking about all this shit
42:51
Speaker 2: about the moon, but like he gets wrong that he
42:53
Speaker 2: says that Michael Collins landed on the moon. Michael Collins
42:57
Speaker 2: famously didn't land on the moon. That's what he's famous for,
43:02
Speaker 2: is not landing on the moon.
43:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's the guy that just orbited around, right.
43:07
Speaker 2: He was in the orbiter. Yeah, and they do this thing.
43:10
Speaker 2: I hated this part. I hated this part so much. Again,
43:15
Speaker 2: this is where I'm totally losing the thread of what
43:18
Speaker 2: this is about. But also we're doing this fucking moon
43:21
Speaker 2: landing shit. And like he does this thing where they
43:24
Speaker 2: show a Neil Armstrong press conference and he's like saying,
43:28
Speaker 2: you know, can't you see how uncomfortable he is, Like, man,
43:32
Speaker 2: you can read whatever the fuck you want into this
43:34
Speaker 2: footage from nineteen sixty nine. Yeah, and like and then
43:39
Speaker 2: he's like, but you know, they didn't figure out how
43:41
Speaker 2: to get film through the Van Allen radiation belt. You know,
43:46
Speaker 2: they couldn't figure out how to do that, so they
43:48
Speaker 2: filmed it separately. And that's why if you look at
43:51
Speaker 2: the images from eleven and twelve side by side, there's
43:55
Speaker 2: a mark quality difference. And if you do look at
43:58
Speaker 2: the images of a po E twelve side by side,
44:02
Speaker 2: they do look different. And that's because Paulo eleven was
44:05
Speaker 2: not shot on film. It was shot on video, live
44:10
Speaker 2: television video that they had to specially adjust because there's
44:15
Speaker 2: very little lights, you know, ambient light, and like there's
44:19
Speaker 2: such a high contrast between space and the white of
44:23
Speaker 2: the moon, and so it had to be shot on video.
44:26
Speaker 2: And then on Apollo twelve they took film cameras up
44:32
Speaker 2: there and brought that shit back, so it looks a
44:35
Speaker 2: lot better because it was fucking shot on film, you
44:38
Speaker 2: goddamn morons.
44:40
Speaker 1: So he keeps talking about the three mistakes we made
44:44
Speaker 1: as a civilization. This is all still coming from fucking
44:48
Speaker 1: Jerry Skyfall or whatever his name is. I am with you.
44:53
Speaker 1: I guess I'm not sure if this is Chad Klek
44:57
Speaker 1: talking or if this is supposed to be recording the
45:00
Speaker 1: Skyfall guy, But he talks about the thing.
45:03
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's pretty telling that I didn't
45:05
Speaker 2: even think it was supposed to be someone else.
45:10
Speaker 1: And he keeps talking about the three mistakes we made
45:14
Speaker 1: as a society. The first is nuclear weapons, which, sure,
45:17
Speaker 1: that's a classic.
45:19
Speaker 2: It was a mistake, definitely.
45:22
Speaker 1: The second is deep drilling for pre salt gas. And
45:28
Speaker 1: the claim here is basically that we have drilled so
45:31
Speaker 1: deep into the earth that if we were to take
45:35
Speaker 1: that drill back out, it would just shoot stuff into
45:39
Speaker 1: the atmosphere and kill us all. And so that's why
45:43
Speaker 1: kemtrail's that's why we use harp to control the weather.
45:46
Speaker 1: That is all explained in about a ten minute span here.
45:51
Speaker 2: I would love any evidence about this at all. That's
45:55
Speaker 2: all I ask for this part.
45:57
Speaker 1: And the third mistake I was sure was going to
45:59
Speaker 1: be social media, but no robots.
46:01
Speaker 2: Robots Yeah, Ai, this is where we get some great
46:05
Speaker 2: footage of Elon Musk and Joe Rogan.
46:09
Speaker 1: And they also demonstrate this danger with videos of robot
46:13
Speaker 1: dogs that look like they can barely fucking walk and
46:16
Speaker 1: then a robot person getting flung into the air that
46:20
Speaker 1: lands on a fucking mattress.
46:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, they show the same like poopy diaper walking robots
46:26
Speaker 2: that we've seen over and over, but like that has
46:29
Speaker 2: never been the danger of AI that their little poopy
46:33
Speaker 2: diaper robots are gonna like kill us all. There are
46:37
Speaker 2: way bigger problems that we could face with AI in
46:41
Speaker 2: the future because they're not going to be limited to
46:43
Speaker 2: our shitty, stupid fucking bodies.
46:46
Speaker 1: Right, and yeah, there's lots of clips of Joe Rogan
46:50
Speaker 1: and Elon Musk here. I like the part where Chad
46:53
Speaker 1: Klek says there's no way he'd have the time to
46:56
Speaker 1: go through every piece of evidence and footage presented here
47:00
Speaker 1: and decide if it's real or not. It's like, well,
47:02
Speaker 1: then don't put it in your documentary. Of course you
47:04
Speaker 1: have time.
47:05
Speaker 2: I would simply not make a movie about that then,
47:09
Speaker 2: like that would be my call.
47:10
Speaker 1: Of course, you have time to vet this footage and
47:13
Speaker 1: research it. Yeah a little.
47:15
Speaker 2: You want a deadline. Who's breathing down your neck? Buddy?
47:18
Speaker 2: Let us know, sir, no face, Yeah, maybe he might be.
47:24
Speaker 2: He's breathing right behind you.
47:25
Speaker 1: And it's like, hire some researchers, you can knock that
47:28
Speaker 1: shit out again.
47:30
Speaker 2: What does this have to do with some ghost footage
47:34
Speaker 2: in Australia? I mean that is a legitimate question.
47:39
Speaker 1: Well, he does say, like this section finally does build
47:43
Speaker 1: up to him kind of putting a new wrinkle on
47:47
Speaker 1: the fake alien invasion theory. He says, what this all
47:51
Speaker 1: comes down to is that the government is going to
47:54
Speaker 1: fake an alien invasion because there's a real one coming,
47:59
Speaker 1: and so they want to fake one first, so we're
48:02
Speaker 1: all on board to go to war when the real
48:06
Speaker 1: one happens. And at this point in the documentary, I
48:10
Speaker 1: was like, hey, remember when this was about a ghost
48:13
Speaker 1: that lived in a house in Australia. The fuck happened?
48:16
Speaker 1: How'd we get here?
48:18
Speaker 2: I really have no idea. Again, this whole section, it's
48:21
Speaker 2: so long, it is a majority of the film. Is
48:25
Speaker 2: this stuff that we've just brushed over because there's nothing
48:28
Speaker 2: to it.
48:28
Speaker 1: But don't worry. He brings it all home in chapter six,
48:32
Speaker 1: The Australia Connection. I like how this chapter opens with
48:36
Speaker 1: some max hedgroom effects up top for absolutely no reason.
48:40
Speaker 2: Professional quality CGI.
48:43
Speaker 1: Oh, and now he's back to talking about the tattoo
48:47
Speaker 1: faced man. Yeah, Olivia, do you remember at any point
48:52
Speaker 1: them mentioning the tattoo face man being like elderly or
48:57
Speaker 1: super They.
48:58
Speaker 2: Mentioned him as being like in his fifty, it seemed.
49:00
Speaker 1: Like, because in this moment he's back to talking about
49:04
Speaker 1: the Tattoo Face Man, and he says, the tattoo Face
49:07
Speaker 1: Man told him that at one point he was driving
49:10
Speaker 1: with his wife in nineteen seventy three, so he was
49:15
Speaker 1: old enough to be married in seventy three. So this
49:18
Speaker 1: guy's old as fuck. Yeah, And I feel like that
49:21
Speaker 1: is not mentioned at all, Like they don't make him
49:24
Speaker 1: look old when they show him in the reenactment, he
49:27
Speaker 1: looks like fucking Luke Perry or something.
49:30
Speaker 2: Also, when did they have this conversation with him? If
49:33
Speaker 2: he just showed up to one of their live shows,
49:36
Speaker 2: handed them a box of shit and then disappeared forever,
49:39
Speaker 2: Where did this story come from exactly?
49:42
Speaker 1: And so they come across a ship of light in
49:45
Speaker 1: the sky, the Tattoo Face Man and his wife in
49:47
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy three, and they get close and they experience
49:51
Speaker 1: some time loss, but they don't tell nobody m hm.
49:54
Speaker 1: And they see photos of something very similar on the
49:57
Speaker 1: news ten years later in Mexico. So the Tattoo Face
50:01
Speaker 1: Man sees this news report and decides, I am going
50:04
Speaker 1: to physically go to Mexico to find out more about
50:08
Speaker 1: this cool, and Klek says, this guy has thousands of
50:11
Speaker 1: photos of him on board alien ships and that he'd
50:16
Speaker 1: get murdered if the government knew he had all that.
50:19
Speaker 1: And it's like, dude, if that's true, you just hold
50:22
Speaker 1: the government.
50:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, if that's real, then they know that you have
50:26
Speaker 2: that now because you just said that, Corren, I gotta say,
50:30
Speaker 2: if you're going to get killed by the government anyway,
50:33
Speaker 2: I not put some of this stuff in your movie. Yeah,
50:36
Speaker 2: that you're charging people money for.
50:39
Speaker 1: And I think this is the point that made me
50:41
Speaker 1: the angriest in this whole documentary is he says he
50:46
Speaker 1: thinks that the Tattoo Face Man has all of that.
50:49
Speaker 1: He thinks he's got photos of him aboard alien ships,
50:53
Speaker 1: but that for him to confirm it, he'd have to
50:56
Speaker 1: go all the way to Australia because the Tattoo Face
50:59
Speaker 1: Man isn't just going to hop on the phone and
51:01
Speaker 1: talk about it. And it's like, so go to Australia.
51:04
Speaker 1: You go there all the time. Every movie I've seen
51:08
Speaker 1: opens with you in Australia. So go there and ask
51:12
Speaker 1: him the questions.
51:14
Speaker 2: Then, now, Adam, if there's one thing these movies have
51:18
Speaker 2: made clear, it's that this man hates spending time in Australia.
51:24
Speaker 1: I did not understand his reasoning in that moment. I
51:27
Speaker 1: would have to go to Australia.
51:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, go, you're making a line to say, we don't
51:33
Speaker 2: know who he is, so we wouldn't be able to
51:35
Speaker 2: find him if we went back. That's a lot easier explanation.
51:38
Speaker 1: And he can't because he makes it clear that he
51:40
Speaker 1: has found this guy's phone number and address, and he
51:44
Speaker 1: could go talk to him if he wanted to. She
51:46
Speaker 1: doesn't want to.
51:47
Speaker 2: Maybe that's in part three?
51:48
Speaker 1: Could be?
51:49
Speaker 2: Could be? So the one that doesn't have face in
51:52
Speaker 2: the title, that's so annoying.
51:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I keep forgetting the name of the third
51:57
Speaker 1: one I don't remember.
51:58
Speaker 2: I think I can keep that my head.
52:00
Speaker 1: I have a cult, So yeah, I guess Chad is
52:04
Speaker 1: building up to telling us how Sir no Face ties
52:07
Speaker 1: into literally like the biggest conspiracy theory of all time,
52:10
Speaker 1: like the New World.
52:11
Speaker 2: War, every conspiracy theory.
52:13
Speaker 1: So then cut to Stephen Greer saying that aliens are
52:16
Speaker 1: actually robotic entities produced in a laboratory that have biological
52:22
Speaker 1: material on the outside but are robotic on the inside.
52:27
Speaker 2: Stephen and that sing Greer.
52:30
Speaker 1: They suggest that cattle mutilations are part of the program
52:35
Speaker 1: to harvest the biological materials to make that outer shell.
52:39
Speaker 1: I think it's like, why wouldn't you just open a
52:41
Speaker 1: fucking cattle farm.
52:44
Speaker 2: Maybe they did, Maybe that's part of it. I mean,
52:47
Speaker 2: Stephen Greer, we've talked about him before. He is a
52:50
Speaker 2: con artist. I don't have anything else to say about
52:54
Speaker 2: Stephen Greer.
52:55
Speaker 1: And this is the point where he's talking about the
52:59
Speaker 1: Sir No Face footootage. Oh yeah, and he says, you
53:03
Speaker 1: know all the footage you've seen, we stop it it
53:06
Speaker 1: this frame and it looks like a ghost. And I'm like, no,
53:09
Speaker 1: it looks like a small chip.
53:11
Speaker 2: It looks like a guy. And then I never thought
53:15
Speaker 2: it looked like a ghost. I want to make that clear.
53:17
Speaker 2: I saw that god damn footage. It just as a
53:20
Speaker 2: guy popping and said in difframe.
53:21
Speaker 1: And then this time he says something like, but this
53:25
Speaker 1: time I flipped one frame forward. Well, and we're supposed
53:30
Speaker 1: to like see an alien in this footage, and it
53:34
Speaker 1: just looks like a blurry ass man.
53:36
Speaker 2: Well. He kind of does a similar thing to the
53:41
Speaker 2: format of Sir No Face, where he's like, so I
53:46
Speaker 2: decided I'm going to compare this footage against the most
53:51
Speaker 2: credible photographic evidence of a UFO ever captured that has
53:58
Speaker 2: an image of a gray alien in side of it.
54:00
Speaker 2: It's this Turkish photo. It definitely doesn't just look like
54:03
Speaker 2: some lights. And in this one blurry corner of this
54:09
Speaker 2: photograph from who knows how long ago, there's a clear
54:13
Speaker 2: image of a gray alien. And so we're put that
54:15
Speaker 2: side by side with the no face image. And yeah,
54:19
Speaker 2: you know, most of the footage up until the point
54:21
Speaker 2: that we showed you guys before in the last movie,
54:23
Speaker 2: it didn't look like this gray alien from this other
54:27
Speaker 2: totally real photo. But yeah, if we go a frame ahead,
54:32
Speaker 2: it still doesn't look like this gray alien from the photo,
54:38
Speaker 2: but I'm gonna say it does.
54:41
Speaker 1: And then from there the rest of the documentary is
54:44
Speaker 1: just them kind of pretending the government's following him.
54:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, he talks about people following him. He says he's
54:49
Speaker 2: seen like a black Mercedes following and he makes sure
54:52
Speaker 2: to point out that the car that he says has
54:54
Speaker 2: been following him has kept their lights on the entire time,
54:58
Speaker 2: which I gotta say is poor form. You were supposed
55:02
Speaker 2: to keep the lights.
55:03
Speaker 1: Off Yeah, it's bad form. And also following you for.
55:06
Speaker 2: What being too close to the truth or whatever.
55:10
Speaker 1: They're letting you miss They let you release a movie.
55:14
Speaker 1: That's the other thing. There's also a story about Craig
55:17
Speaker 1: Powell's wife being followed by a car, and again her
55:22
Speaker 1: story carries on for such a long time and I'm
55:25
Speaker 1: like you again, wife of a documentary filmmaker. No cameras, nothing,
55:31
Speaker 1: You didn't get a single shot of his car, just
55:34
Speaker 1: that was following you. And also it just happened once.
55:37
Speaker 1: There was no warnings or anything.
55:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I don't know sure. It seems fake. It does.
55:45
Speaker 1: It seems a little fake. I like the part near
55:48
Speaker 1: the end where he's on the phone with Craig Powell
55:51
Speaker 1: and they're all sketched out because someone they think is
55:54
Speaker 1: recording their phone call, and it's like, dude, you're recording
55:58
Speaker 1: the phone call, that's why we're hearing it.
56:00
Speaker 2: Yeah. It reminded me of those times when I would
56:03
Speaker 2: hear the ham radio in my headphones were recording. It
56:07
Speaker 2: was a similar vibe.
56:08
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're hearing some kind of feedback in freaking
56:11
Speaker 1: fuck about someone listening to their calls, and.
56:15
Speaker 2: It's like that he is recording to put in the movie.
56:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like you're recording it to put it in
56:19
Speaker 1: a documentary. We're all gonna hear it at some point.
56:22
Speaker 2: Yeah.
56:22
Speaker 1: And then Yeah, it ends with this like heavy monologue
56:28
Speaker 1: about why he quit ghost hunting, and you know, he
56:32
Speaker 1: was just going to retire to a normal life of
56:34
Speaker 1: fucking listening to the biscuit probably in chain smoking.
56:40
Speaker 2: You're making him sound way cooler than he is.
56:43
Speaker 1: And then he talks about how he kept thinking about
56:47
Speaker 1: that footage. And then he ends the documentary by saying,
56:51
Speaker 1: so I couldn't.
56:52
Speaker 2: Sleep well because he said he was going to sleep
56:54
Speaker 2: on it about whether or not he was going to
56:56
Speaker 2: make the documentary. Oh yeah, he couldn't sleep. And then
57:00
Speaker 2: it's a fucking to be continued. I'm so pissed off.
57:04
Speaker 2: I was so pissed off.
57:06
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, we have to cover the third documentary.
57:11
Speaker 1: I think I don't know that we have. I guess
57:13
Speaker 1: I will go look up again what it's called.
57:16
Speaker 2: Unfortunately we do, and I feel awful. I don't want to,
57:20
Speaker 2: but we do have to.
57:21
Speaker 1: Phantom Rider Award winning documentary filmmaker Chad Kaylik. Yeah, Paranormal
57:28
Speaker 1: Investigator Craig Powell continue their investigation into the only paranormal
57:34
Speaker 1: case in history to be sanctioned by the Australian government.
57:36
Speaker 1: So now we're back to paranormal.
57:38
Speaker 2: Why is this called two face? I'm serious, No.
57:42
Speaker 1: I have absolutely no idea.
57:44
Speaker 2: Especially I'm so mad that he did not call the
57:47
Speaker 2: third movie three face.
57:50
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know. People at home watch these documentaries,
57:54
Speaker 1: tell me me if you feel like you're being lied to.
57:56
Speaker 1: I do know.
57:59
Speaker 2: That this is fake as fuck.
58:01
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah.
58:03
Speaker 2: Not to be a naysayer, but this is less convincing
58:07
Speaker 2: than almost any other UFO thing that we've watched, and
58:10
Speaker 2: we've watched a lot of really unconvinced, Like Overlords of
58:14
Speaker 2: the UFO was more convincing than this.
58:17
Speaker 1: I think you're right that there is. It's that like
58:20
Speaker 1: myth making that he's trying to do here that makes
58:24
Speaker 1: this just especially unsavory. Yeah, Like, it's not just about
58:28
Speaker 1: aliens or UFOs or conspiracies. It's about how Chad Kaylik
58:33
Speaker 1: is the one getting closest to the truth.
58:36
Speaker 2: Right, And we have skipped over a lot of the
58:39
Speaker 2: things that give it that vibe, like all of like
58:43
Speaker 2: the blues rock guitar stings that undercut him and other
58:48
Speaker 2: pieces of footage, and the echo thing cannot We've we've
58:53
Speaker 2: left it because there's not much we can say about it.
58:56
Speaker 2: But it's pervasive, it grew out, it happens.
59:01
Speaker 1: I would argue maybe every ten minutes. Oh that's yeah,
59:05
Speaker 1: that might be a conservative estimate.
59:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, because every other sentence it feels like his fucking echoed,
59:11
Speaker 2: especially towards the end. It's so awful. It's such a
59:15
Speaker 2: terrible thing to watch. And then the fact that he
59:18
Speaker 2: just goes on this like almost the entire movie is
59:21
Speaker 2: this long ass tangent that has nothing to do with
59:26
Speaker 2: anything that the other movie has set up or that
59:29
Speaker 2: he's talked about.
59:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm interested to see if the third movie just
59:34
Speaker 1: like goes back to ghosts. They're just like, never mind.
59:38
Speaker 2: Never mind JKL.
59:40
Speaker 1: Sasquatch actually bigfoot caught on camera.
59:43
Speaker 2: Okay, he had the goddamn balls to make fun of
59:49
Speaker 2: Sasquatch hunters, Like he makes fun of other it's either
59:53
Speaker 2: in no face or in this when they kind of
59:55
Speaker 2: blended together. But like he makes fun of Sasquatch people
1:00:00
Speaker 2: and other paranormal investigators, And I'm like, dude, you do
1:00:03
Speaker 2: not have a fucking leg to stand on making fun
1:00:06
Speaker 2: of people doing this.
1:00:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember that from the first movie. It's like, man, like,
1:00:12
Speaker 1: I almost trust that less when someone's like, look at
1:00:15
Speaker 1: how ethical I am? Like that, Yeah, that's kind of
1:00:18
Speaker 1: the focus of the whole first documentary is Yes, well,
1:00:21
Speaker 1: I have dedicated my life to the truth, so if
1:00:25
Speaker 1: this footage was fake, you'd know it because I'm the
1:00:28
Speaker 1: truth guy. And it's like, I you fucking know you
1:00:30
Speaker 1: as the truth guy.
1:00:32
Speaker 2: And this is like a sequel to that. And he
1:00:35
Speaker 2: applies none of the supposed ethical riggers and intellectual riggers
1:00:41
Speaker 2: to this that he did to the other stuff.
1:00:44
Speaker 1: No, no, not at all. Yeah, it's pretty fucking wild.
1:00:47
Speaker 1: Can't wait to watch the.
1:00:48
Speaker 2: Third one, Yeah, I can't wait.
1:00:51
Speaker 1: Coming soon. So I think that's our episode. We made
1:00:55
Speaker 1: it to the end.
1:00:56
Speaker 2: We did.
1:00:56
Speaker 1: We have mercifully made it to the end of stuff documentary.
1:01:00
Speaker 1: Do we have anything to plug before we get out
1:01:04
Speaker 1: of here?
1:01:04
Speaker 2: Yeah? Going back our lostreet Watch podcast coming to the
1:01:09
Speaker 2: end of the season pretty soon, so check that out.
1:01:11
Speaker 2: It's on the conspiracy Patreon or also, uh, you know,
1:01:17
Speaker 2: the first season will be coming to the free feed soon.
1:01:20
Speaker 2: And that's it.
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Speaker 1: read my writings. I think that's it. Let's get the
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Speaker 1: funk out of here. Olivia say goodbye, bye, goodbye everybody.
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Speaker 1: We love you
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Speaker 3: People,