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Normally Podcast: Jay Jones’ Text Controversy, Bari Weiss at CBS, and Gen Z’s Divorce Boom · Normally

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  Speaker 3: Yeah, alrighty showing into the very weird news.
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  Speaker 2: So much weird news. What is going on in your state?
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  Speaker 3: Well, welcome to Virginia, where we have spoken about the
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  Speaker 3: Virginia governor's race, which is a tends to be treated
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  Speaker 3: as a bellweather for what's coming for the two parties
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  Speaker 3: in the future. Okay, Abigail Spanberger, who's a Democrat, is
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  Speaker 3: running against Winsome Sears, the current lieutenant governor under Glenn
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  Speaker 3: Youngkin in the state of Virginia. Virginia is a bluish
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  Speaker 3: purplish state.
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  Speaker 1: It has about.
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  Speaker 3: Republicans, probably, but it's heavily populated with federal work, which
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  Speaker 3: means in a Doge era can.
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  Speaker 1: Be a little tricky tough times. Yeah, and often off.
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  Speaker 3: The out of power party wins. So that would mean
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  Speaker 3: Democrats would be likely to win this time around. Right, Well,
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  Speaker 3: we've got quite a story going on in the Virginia.
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  Speaker 3: Racist story not coming from Abigail Spamberger, who nonetheless has
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  Speaker 3: still not denounced any of the gender based scandals at
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  Speaker 3: any of the Northern Virginia schools because she can't be
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  Speaker 3: a bare minimum normy right, Oh, we got another bar
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  Speaker 3: and it's lower, Carol.
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  Speaker 1: So this story is about the AG candidate.
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  Speaker 3: That's the Attorney general candidate running against Jason Miaris, who
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  Speaker 3: is the current Republican AG.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, his name is Jay Jones.
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  Speaker 3: And National Review broke the other day, Well done, guys,
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  Speaker 3: some text messages that he had sent in twenty twenty
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  Speaker 3: two to a fellow delegate, a legislator in Virginia, a
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  Speaker 3: Republican woman with whom he had had an argument. And
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  Speaker 3: in the text messages, they're rehashing this argument, and she's saying, like,
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  Speaker 3: I'm trying to get what you're saying here, right.
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  Speaker 1: And what he's saying is and I wish this were
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  Speaker 1: an exaggeration. We can go to the exact tweets.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, what I'm saying right here.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, what he's saying is that he wishes death, murder
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  Speaker 3: in fact, upon his political opponents, the speaker, Republican Speaker
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  Speaker 3: of the House, not only that that he'd do it
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  Speaker 3: with two bullets, right, and not only that, but that
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  Speaker 3: it would be good for his opponent's children to die
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  Speaker 3: in their mother's arms to get her to change her
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  Speaker 3: views and the.
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  Speaker 1: Speaker to change his political views. Am I exaggerating, Carol?
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  Speaker 2: You are not. I'm going to read from these tweets
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  Speaker 2: because I really do think we need to hear his
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  Speaker 2: actual words. He said, if those guys die before me,
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  Speaker 2: I will go to their funerals to piss on their graves,
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  Speaker 2: send them out a wash in something.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 2: The person that he's writing who writes J Jones like,
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  Speaker 2: come on, he writes three people two bullets, Gilbert, Hitler
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  Speaker 2: and Polepot. That's the comparison here. Gilbert gets two bullets
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  Speaker 2: to the head. Spoiler. Put Gilbert and the crew with
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  Speaker 2: the two worst people you know, and he receives both bullets.
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  Speaker 2: Every time the person he's writing with says Jay, please stop.
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  Speaker 2: You know, he goes on to say, I've told you
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  Speaker 2: this before. Only when people feel pain personally do they
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  Speaker 2: move on policy. And then he says, I mean, do
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  Speaker 2: I think Todd and Jennifer are evil and that they're
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  Speaker 2: breeding little fascists? Yes, this is just bananas.
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  Speaker 3: The thing that stuck out to me in your reading
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  Speaker 3: of that too, is that the Republican he's texting, is trying.
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  Speaker 1: To get him to climb.
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  Speaker 3: Down totally like normal, and she says at one point,
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  Speaker 3: he's like, I'm just, you know, hashing this out with
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  Speaker 3: you and sah, no, you're not.
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  Speaker 1: You're telling me that you're hoping for the deaths of
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  Speaker 1: the children, right of this man to change his political views.
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  Speaker 1: And he says, yes, period.
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  Speaker 3: I have told you that unless people feel personal pain,
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  Speaker 3: they will not change on policy, right.
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  Speaker 2: And it's just such an insane thing to say and do.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, what are you really talking about here? Killing
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  Speaker 2: children so that they won't grow up to be people
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  Speaker 2: that you disagree with politically? It makes no sense. But
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  Speaker 2: what I wanted to say was that, look, there's a
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  Speaker 2: larger story here, and Luke Rosiak has a whole thread
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  Speaker 2: about it. He writes, the most important part of the j.
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  Speaker 2: Jones story is his rage was triggered by the fact
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  Speaker 2: that a moderate Republican said nice things about a moderate
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  Speaker 2: Democrat when the Democrat died. That's what caused him to
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  Speaker 2: want to shoot the Republican House speaker. The Republican was collegial.
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  Speaker 2: I think that it's so important because a lot of
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  Speaker 2: people are like well, you know, there's also fringe right
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  Speaker 2: wing figures who say crazy things. This is a mainstream
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  Speaker 2: story about mainstream people, and the fact that J. Jones
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  Speaker 2: is considered mainstream despite this kind of insane rhetoric is
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  Speaker 2: a real problem on the left.
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  Speaker 3: By the way, a couple Yes, the idea that you
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  Speaker 3: would be triggered by someone giving a eulogy to someone
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  Speaker 3: across the aisle to say this is absolutely bonkers, like
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  Speaker 3: psychopathy level stuff, because you might assume like, oh, well,
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  Speaker 3: maybe he's coming from a place of deep emotion, perhaps
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  Speaker 3: there was a shooting and he's very upset about.
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  Speaker 1: No, there was a eulogy. Yeah, that's what's what he's
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  Speaker 1: upset about.
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  Speaker 3: By the way, J Jones also just to this is
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  Speaker 3: like a much lower tier issue now. He also was
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  Speaker 3: pulled over for doing one hundred and sixteen miles per hour,
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  Speaker 3: which of course, for any other Virginian would get you
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  Speaker 3: in a lot of trouble. And then he was given
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  Speaker 3: like community service And my favorite part of it is
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  Speaker 3: that he did his community service for his own.
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  Speaker 2: Pack, right, I get that alone.
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  Speaker 3: Sleaziest slaziest stuff. He is now running to be the
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  Speaker 3: head law enforcef of this entire state. Okay, so what's
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  Speaker 3: his first reaction to this? His first statement was, like
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  Speaker 3: all people, I've sent text messages that I regret and
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  Speaker 3: I believe that violent rhetoric has no place in our politics.
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  Speaker 1: But he went on to say that.
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  Speaker 3: Smears were being dropped on him by Trump controlled media
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  Speaker 3: is going.
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  Speaker 1: There was no apology.
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  Speaker 3: This was his first reaction when he decided, oh, this
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  Speaker 3: is probably is going to be a big story. He
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  Speaker 3: did eventually apologize and say, oh, yeah, maybe I shouldn't
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  Speaker 3: wish literal murder and the death of your children on
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  Speaker 3: this guy. I called him to apologize. Oh gee, thinks
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  Speaker 3: he is not, however, dropping out of the race, and
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  Speaker 3: no one in the Democratic Party has asked him to
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  Speaker 3: do so, including Abigail Spamberger, who can't be a bare
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  Speaker 3: minimum normy even in this case, including the other person
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  Speaker 3: running on the take it for a lieutenant governor. That
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  Speaker 3: including the National Party, Yeah, Virginia, the Virginia Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The Virginia Beach Democrats issued a statement which reaffirms its
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  Speaker 2: full support for j Jones for Attorney General and calls
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  Speaker 2: on all Virginians to line up behind Jane Jones.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Another group of Democrats who are in the House of Delegates.
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  Speaker 3: So current legislators called him a person of character, compassion,
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  Speaker 3: and vision wild like to be sure, wishing murder on
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  Speaker 3: your opponents is not something we endorse, but we do
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  Speaker 3: endorse this person.
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  Speaker 1: And the reason they endorse.
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  Speaker 3: The person is because Mieris is somehow much worse than
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  Speaker 3: a guy who endorses murdering political terrorism. So I guess
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  Speaker 3: for me, as a right leaning mother in the state
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  Speaker 3: of Virginia, this is really rubbing me the wrong way.
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  Speaker 3: I gotta say, because the texts revealed. Now some Democrat
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  Speaker 3: hacks have tried to call them a joke.
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  Speaker 1: It's not a joke. He wasn't making a joke.
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  Speaker 3: There was.
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  Speaker 1: He was very serious.
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  Speaker 3: Some have termed it bomb bast no near a Tandon,
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  Speaker 3: a National Democrat. When a fellow panelist, not of course
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  Speaker 3: the journalist, but a Republican on her panel brought up.
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  Speaker 1: This issue, said it was you know it was a
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  Speaker 1: private conversation.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it was a private conversation between two legislators about
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  Speaker 3: how one of them wanted to shoot another legislator.
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  Speaker 1: So like, yeah, I kind of work related.
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  Speaker 3: But what this is is an endorsement by a guy
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  Speaker 3: who wants to be the top law enforcement officer of
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  Speaker 3: a philosophy of political terrorism.
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  Speaker 1: Right of the mids.
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  Speaker 2: Like, that's not the right job for that guy.
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  Speaker 3: Like he's like, no, I do think you should hurt
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  Speaker 3: people to make them change their policy views, right.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe kill their children, Like who knows. Until they feel
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  Speaker 2: that pain, they can't possibly agree with me.
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  Speaker 3: I'm the mom. I'm the mom he's talking about. I
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  Speaker 3: am the right of center person in his state.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's how incredibly vile and it's it's not a mistake.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't a mistake. There was no error here. Charlie
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  Speaker 2: Cook made it, you know, tweeted it. Made it sound
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  Speaker 2: like he had made a typo. Like all of us
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  Speaker 2: have sent tweets, texts we regret, Like I've never sent
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  Speaker 2: a text like that that I regret.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: One of the statements from Democrats was like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: he who he Who's without sin?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 3: And I was like, on this particular sin, I feel
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  Speaker 3: quite comfortable picking up a stump like I this is.
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  Speaker 3: And what concerns me is that when someone like near
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  Speaker 3: A Tandon says this is just a private conversation, it
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  Speaker 3: makes me think that's what her private conversations look like
• 10:45
  Speaker 3: and that her bubble is very comfortable.
• 10:47
  Speaker 2: Talking like this exactly. Yeah, there's actually a meme about
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  Speaker 2: Democrats like taking something out of context in the Bible,
• 10:55
  Speaker 2: and it's like, no, I'm not a Christian and I
• 10:57
  Speaker 2: have nothing but contemporary r back with religious beliefs. But
• 11:00
  Speaker 2: this argument was going to work on me, but maybe
• 11:02
  Speaker 2: I can use it on you.
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  Speaker 1: No. Yeah, so he's not stepping down.
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  Speaker 3: He also it's worth noting that a couple of years ago,
• 11:10
  Speaker 3: he himself called for the Norfolk a Norfolk PD officer's
• 11:15
  Speaker 3: resignation for donating twenty five dollars to Kyle Rittenhouse's legal
• 11:19
  Speaker 3: defense fund. That's the line for someone else that's not
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  Speaker 3: on his say for him, No, no, no, no no.
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  Speaker 3: There is of course an ad about these texts that
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  Speaker 3: the Sears campaign has gotten ready to go, Like I said,
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  Speaker 3: Spanberger said, oh, to be sure, these are bad texts,
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  Speaker 3: but made no move to just abow like the candidate
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  Speaker 3: or she asked him to get off her own ticket.
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  Speaker 3: She is sharing with him. Let's play the ad.
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  Speaker 1: Real quick breaking news from the campaign trail.
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  Speaker 2: Jay Jones is under fire.
• 11:52
  Speaker 1: J Jones is under fire.
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  Speaker 2: Jay Jones is under fire after messages he sent twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty two saying former Virginia House Speaker Todd Gilbert should
• 12:00
  Speaker 2: be shot.
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  Speaker 1: I'm excited about this, jiggin. It's been a great to
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  Speaker 1: be out on the campaign jail with j Jones.
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  Speaker 4: You said Gilbert's wife could watch her own child die
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  Speaker 4: in her arms so that Gilbert might reconsider his political views.
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  Speaker 1: And Joe, who will stand up for the people?
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  Speaker 3: Jones said, quotes Gilbert Hitler and pull a pot Gilbert
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  Speaker 3: gets two bullets.
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  Speaker 1: To the head.
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  Speaker 3: Jones doubled down, saying, quote, do I think Todd and
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  Speaker 3: Jennifer are evil and that they're breeding little fascists?
• 12:36
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 12:36
  Speaker 4: How can Virginians trust a man who said something so horrific,
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  Speaker 4: so pallous? Only one people feel paid personally?
• 12:44
  Speaker 2: Do they move on policy that tagline? Reject the insanity?
• 12:47
  Speaker 2: Vote Republican because that is what it is. That is
• 12:50
  Speaker 2: in a nutshell, what it is like. Reject the crazy
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  Speaker 2: and vote for the right ticket. It's just I hope
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  Speaker 2: Virginians do the right. I know you guys are in
• 13:01
  Speaker 2: a tough election, but this is just such a wild
• 13:03
  Speaker 2: story and really a big tell about where Democrats are.
• 13:08
  Speaker 2: They're national democrats. Being asked about this, of course not
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  Speaker 2: is anybody being asked to condemn him from the national stage,
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  Speaker 2: of course not. That's all reserved for Republicans. And I
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  Speaker 2: hope that Virginia sees through this craziness and does the
• 13:22
  Speaker 2: right thing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I am a little concerned that I think it
• 13:26
  Speaker 3: was our friend Jeremy Sindaro has sent this to me.
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  Speaker 1: Wondered whether.
• 13:32
  Speaker 3: This would be one of those things that falls victim
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  Speaker 3: to voters don't believe it because the Democrats are acting
• 13:36
  Speaker 3: so crazy that they're surely he didn't do that. Now,
• 13:39
  Speaker 3: this is why it's helpful to have the text on
• 13:41
  Speaker 3: the screen in the ad. And I do hope national
• 13:44
  Speaker 3: Republicans that are I would not say, like super optimistic
• 13:48
  Speaker 3: about this state perhaps should throw a bunch of money
• 13:52
  Speaker 3: at this particular campaign, because I think it is good
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  Speaker 3: for people to know that this is how they think.
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  Speaker 1: And I also want to say this, this is a
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  Speaker 1: they learned last time, Virginia Democrats.
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  Speaker 3: Last time somebody got in trouble for doing something appalling,
• 14:05
  Speaker 3: it was Governor Ralph Northam. And Governor Ralph Northam was
• 14:09
  Speaker 3: found in a an old yearbook from law school.
• 14:13
  Speaker 2: High school, not high school, not middle school. Law school from.
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  Speaker 1: Law school in blackface.
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  Speaker 3: Technically, I don't think he ever admitted whether he was
• 14:21
  Speaker 3: the blackface guy or the clan hood guy. Could be
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  Speaker 3: the one in this photo that was for publication. He
• 14:30
  Speaker 3: got in trouble for that. Democrats across the nation in
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  Speaker 3: twenty twenty one were like, oh, you're yes, he needs
• 14:37
  Speaker 3: to step down now. They were reluctant to do this,
• 14:40
  Speaker 3: of course because he's their guy, but they were like, oh,
• 14:41
  Speaker 3: I guess we don't like the blackface. We have made
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: that quite clear. So they tell him to step down.
• 14:48
  Speaker 3: He's just like nah. He bilgoievitched it. He was like,
• 14:51
  Speaker 3: I'm not leaving. He did the he did the moonwalk
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  Speaker 3: at a press conference about it.
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  Speaker 1: It was wild, y'all. It was a wild time.
• 14:59
  Speaker 3: Then. The reason that the press eventually laid off and
• 15:03
  Speaker 3: that Democrats just shut their mouths and let him serve
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: out his term is because the next guy on the ticket,
• 15:10
  Speaker 3: justin Fairfax lieutenant governor, so several allegations of sexual assault
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: and wait for it, wait for it, the best part
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  Speaker 3: the third person in line, the Democrat ag, Mark Herring.
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: The Democratic ag also admitted to wearing blackface.
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  Speaker 2: Incredible that.
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: They ran the board.
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  Speaker 3: It was blackface, me too, blackface. The next person would
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: have been a Republican in line for this seat, so
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: they couldn't let go of Northom. And the press realized this,
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: so they were like, never mind, will back off of
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: this story.
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: But I learned from last time.
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: They're going to tweet right through this and it's up
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: to voters, I think, to do the right thing. Although
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: let's give a quick shout out and sorry to the
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: wine moms who are going to suffer through this one.
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: But Joe Scarborough next sitting to Mika, call for him
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: to drop out here he is.
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  Speaker 4: An attorney general candidate in Virginia, is apologizing for his text.
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: It's about a state lawmaker. We'll go through and.
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  Speaker 3: Probably be forced to withdraw the rest and probably is
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  Speaker 3: doing a lot there.
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: You were saying, you know, the little chain of command.
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  Speaker 2: New York had a similar one where when Elliott Spitzer
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: resigned because of prostitutes and the next guy, his lieutenant governor,
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  Speaker 2: who took over, like on day one, was like, by
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: the way, I had an affair. Just get that out there.
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: You just seeing that Cliff hel Mika's squirming next to
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: Joe because they don't want any foothold on this because
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: they know it's appalling, even though, like I said, I
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: get the sense that a lot of their group chats
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: are full of this stuff, right, which might or not,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, same. I don't have anybody in my group chats
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  Speaker 2: wishing death to anyone. It's just such a low bar,
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: but all of my friends clear it.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, congratulations everyone, Thank you, Guy Benson.
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to just tack this on here because it's.
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: On the the theme of political violence, right, which we get.
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  Speaker 3: We get a lot of lectures about and Guy just
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: collected from the other day one the Jay Jones story
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: where he wrote down that the pain of these deaths
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: and murdering children and his colleague might help change people's
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: policy positions. Then he notes too a development in the
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: case of a leftist would be assassin of a conservative
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: Supreme Court justice who traveled across the country heavily armed
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: with the stated intent of murdering up to three right
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: leaning justices because he was angry about their abortion jurisprudence.
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  Speaker 3: The leftist judge in the case rejected a prosecutor's request
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: for a multi decade sentence, giving the defense team the
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: very lenient sentence they sought. It was eight years because
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: and it's in writing. In her reasoning, the left disjudge
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: cited the criminals trans identity as a factor and expressed
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: happiness that the assassination plot and its aftermath helped with
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: the criminals family therapy, Like what what And then he
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: adds two more by the way, this is one day
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: of news stories. Number three a violent leftist attack on
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: ice officers.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: Where they were rammed in Chicago.
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: We don't know all the details of this yet, but
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: it surely seems that they were surrounded and asked for
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: Chicago PD help and Chicago PD help.
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  Speaker 1: We do have the receipts on this was told not
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  Speaker 1: to respond, stand down.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And number four. On the October seventh anniversary, Elias Shapiro
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: is supposed to speak at NYU, a right leaning previously
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: canceled by Georgetown lawyer and a friend of ours, and
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: NYU's like, we can't give you security from all the
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: threats from us, so people.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Might hurt you, so we have the cancel your speech.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: So it feels not great, No, it doesn't.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't feel good. It really will go to show
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: where conservatives are in this country. And the thing is,
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: you know, Trump loves to talk about his overwhelming win
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: in the last election, but it actually was an overwhelming win.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: He won every single swing state. You know. Anybody who
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: points out that the popular vote was not quite as
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: land flighty as Trump will have you believe. They don't
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: campaign for the popular vote. So we have no idea
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: how many more people would have voted for Trump. So
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: I would say that right of center is the majority,
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: and we are treated like this fringe group that needs
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: to be put down. It's a real problem, Like this is.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: How you deal with people like that.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: That's what concerns me, is like he looks at a
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: right leaning mom and her husband and their children, and
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: he's like worse than pulepot.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like both bullets.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: That's a problem. That's a problem for me.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, we'll be right back with more on normal
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: and the changes at CBS. We are back on normally
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: with some media news. Barry Weiss of The Free Press
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: has become the editor in chief at CBS for news
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: and this is a huge deal. It's very funny that
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: she's back in the mainstream media world. She very publicly
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: left The New York Times talking about how they didn't
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: have any kind of real journalist, you know, force anymore.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Over there, she said that a consensus had emerged in
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: the press and at the paper that the truth isn't
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: a process of collective discovery but an orthodoxy already known
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: to an enlightened few whose job it is to inform
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: everyone else. She left The Times in a blaze of
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: glory started the Free Press. Free Press is extremely successful,
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: and now Paramount has purchased it and hired her to
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: run the CBS newsroom. I love I love it, and
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: it's crazy because so many people are like, I can't
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: believe CBS got this right winger. Barry Weiss is a
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: left leaning moderate, like, you know, maybe just regular moderate
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: if you don't want to go with left leaning like
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: she is, in no way a right winger on no planet.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: And again, these people need to understand that they're calling
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: more than half the country this fringe element, and we're
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: simply not. And I love that Barry is in this role.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: I think it's terrific. Iowah Hawk blog tweets mutiny reported
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: at CBS as journalists fear erosion of standards undercoming Barry
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: Weiss's reign of terror. But first a look into how
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: the right wing is pouncing on the humorous text messages
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: musings of an inspiring Virginia Attorney general candidate. So good.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: No, I'm excited for her. I think it's well deserved.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: There of course will be an uprising in CBS. And
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: I think your point is well taken about Barry Weiss's politics, right,
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: And this is actually an indication if the overwhelmingly insane
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: leftist media could read it accurately, it.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Is an endorsement of the rights.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: Tolerance that most of us are rejoicing for the successful, fair, lesbian,
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: left leaning, somewhat heterodox thinker who runs the Free Press
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: and ran it so well that a bunch of people
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: paid actual money to sign up to get it.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: I am people I paid.
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  Speaker 1: I paid as well.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: We're excited to have her at the helm of something large.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 3: My only concern is that she you know that the
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: good vibes run towards CBS, and CBS is.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Bad vibes don't come over to the Free Press.
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: But like that when I say, like we get involved
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: in culture wars, what I want is to bully people
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: into neutrality, that's all imo.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: I don't actually want to bully you into.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: Myte I bully people into inationality.
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: It's all looking for and I feel like Barry Wise's
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: CBS is a is a step in that direction. I
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: did enjoy that brand Stelter tweets CBS News desperately needs someone.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: To supercharge its digital strategy. Maybe the Free Press can help.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: But staffer's reading this morning's memos are left to wonder
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: what exactly do the new bosses think we're doing wrong.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: Again again having people read you she created.
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: A product that people pay actual cash money for, like
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: CBS can't give a lot of me And I noted,
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: you know what, probably nothing, Brian. They're probably fine and
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: have nothing to learn from this media entity that did
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: all of that that we just explained. The hue and
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: cry is another indication that they're exactly what Barry said
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: they were.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: When she left The New York Times.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: And I also want to shout out to Barry Weiss
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: and Crue for doing something that I do think is
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: really important and great for the public square that is overlooked.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: And one of the reasons that I read the Free
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: Press is their treatment of Americans of faith of all faiths,
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: but people who take their religion seriously, is respectful and interesting,
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: and she turns over stories of like revivals on college campuses,
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: Muslim parents in Montgomery County suing to make sure that
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: their kids can opt out of LGBT content like these
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: things are interesting and important.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: There's a curiosity that doesn't feel completely ideological. I often
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: don't know the ideology of the person I'm reading at
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: the Free Press. And that's huge because look, you know,
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: you could really tell with some of the main stream
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: organizations what the news, where the news is coming from.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: So a CBS news that incentivizes curiosity, great.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: I love it. It's been a big week for now it
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: can be old our favorite segment of media. Do you
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: have a story for us?
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: I do the Washington Post opinion page or opinion editorial writers.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: So the official voice of the Washington Post a last
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: week was like, yeah, Democrats.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Actually shut down the government. That was them.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: In today's editorial, we have an admission that's really important,
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: that something I knew a long time ago, that the
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: real problem is that the Affordable Care Act was never
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: actually affordable.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: I can't believe it.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: It goes on to say President Obama said, I oh,
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: Resident Barack Obama's signature achieve but allowed people to buy
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: insurance on marketplaces with subsidies based on their income.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: The architects of the program assumed that risk pools would
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: be bigger than they turned out to be, even though
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: I told them they would not be in a bunch
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: of us in.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: As a result, policies cost more than expected. It goes
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: on to explain that indeed, these like covid Era extended
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: subsidies they're trying to get are wildly inflated. They're for
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: rich people, they're for double enrollies, they're for people who
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: don't know they're enrolled in Omamacare and their nonsense. But
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: you know, I guess join the party. It's been since
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: two thousand and nine. I can't even do the math
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: on how many years.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: That is a lot of years. I was told there'd
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: be no math on the show. So give you like
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: five minutes. I can get there.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: I feel like I knew this due thousand mielic.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: Now it can be told. I have one. Also also
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: at the Washington Post, apparently it turns out that as
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: fed's probe DC crime stats, some police are eager to
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: help build a case that the supervisors have been downplaying
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: violent crime numbers, and it was in an effort to
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: make the city seem safer, and all of us called it. Literally,
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: everybody said that this was happening. Obviously, they couldn't admit
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: that because that would mean Donald Trump was right, and
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump can never be proven right. But some rank
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: and file DC officers and detectives have complained for months,
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: in some cases years, that managers were recording serious crimes
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: as minor ones to make their police districts appear safer
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: or avoid the ire of top department brass. That is
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: so nuts because it's also such gaslighting. People are like,
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: my neighborhood is crime ridden, and they're like, no, it's not.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Don't pay any.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: Attention to your own eyes. I know you know a
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: lot of people who had crimes committed against them, but
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: let us show you our official numbers as to say
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: there's no crime at all. It's totally fine.
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: I do love it how the left and like left
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: leaning commentators just sort of a light on these conclusions
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: six yea, six months to ten years after we have
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: and they're like, okay, yeah, so, like I mean we
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: totally knew this, Like smart people always knew this, right, obviously,
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: and like they don't address the fact that they lied
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: to you about it.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just like you know some police are saying, frustrating
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: it really is. We will be right back with more
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: on normally, where we mock a New York Times piece
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: about divorce sort of be right back. We are back
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: on normally with a column in the New York Times
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: that says, what does gen z divorce look like? I
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: can't wait to hear? Do you want to tell us
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: about it?
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Let me just give you that opening.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: Actually can't wait to hear you pronounce the name of
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: this person, so please please proceed her title her titles.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: In twenty twenty one, Kira Benson, a violinist living in Seattle,
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: knew it was time to get a divorce, ending their
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: two year quote lavender marriage wasn't an easy decision, but
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: the musician had a supportive ally, quote if you have
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: to dump your ex husband mix am I MX, I.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: Bet I was waiting to hear, is it MX mix Mix?
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: Benson said, I don't know. I'm not in a public
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: elementary school. How would I know how to say that?
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: Okay?
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: I bet our I bought my kids.
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: From their time in Brooklyn, so mc spenson said co
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: dump him with his mistress. Before the breakup, mc spenson
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: twenty seven, who uses the pronoun day, checked in with
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: their therapist, who said a divorce would be a quote
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: good choice out of queer solidarity. They informed their husband's
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: quote mistress this was kosher and Mick Spinson's arrangement, which
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: was not a legal marriage. I love domestic partnership about
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: their shared partner's troubling behavior. The night of the breakup,
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: mc spenson and the mistress spent a cozy evening together.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: We were eating a lot of comfort food, playing a
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: lot of animal crossing.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: I am having an aneurysm.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: What is going on?
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: This is the divorce right?
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah? My friend John Cardillo, I don't share private text,
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: but I don't think he'll mind this one. When we
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: were discussing this column, he said, so, quote they divorced someone,
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: quote they never married, which is what? And then The
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: Times had a piece about it.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, if the gen z looks like that,
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: it's probably a pretty easy process.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: That's called a breakup.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: I divorce, the I divorce, the I divorce the.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: Yes, it goes on to like report a couple of
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: other slightly more normal people getting divorced. But it says
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: that gen Z prizes speed. They want to get out
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: of these marriages quickly. They're often short, with no children
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: and no property. That's more gen Zu trends happening there.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: Often divorce is about rebranding, which I do think. There
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: is this tendency to turn your divorce into content, which
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: I'm torn on this because on one hand, it can
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: help because people have been through a tough thing and
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: they're seeing your content and thinking like, maybe.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: That's what it could look like for me. But it's
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: a lot to be putting out there.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: There's also the theory that the COVID generation is more
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: comfortable with upheaval because they're like, everything got tossed in
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: the air anyway, So why does this marriage need to
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: stay here forever?
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: I don't like it.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: I don't like it either.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: Also, a lot of them are just thrupples that are
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: in domestic partnership, so that's not really divorce.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this poor guy, I lost his wife and his
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: mistress and they're like playing video games and having a
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: cozy evening. I don't know. I don't know what's going on.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: I'm too old for this shit like.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: We are too old for it. It is true. Yeah
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: it doesn't sound fulfilling. I'll tell you that, No, it doesn't.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: Nothing about this is like, oh, I want to go
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: get this like, nothing aspirational about.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: It, that everyman opening. I do love that. The New
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: York Times is like, this is it. This is the
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: anecdote that will really resonate with everyone. Mix Mix Spenson
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: ask to you, Mix Spenson.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: Good luck with that in your future endeavors.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us on Normally. Normally airs Tuesdays and Thursdays,
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: and you can subscribe anywhere you get your podcasts. Get
• 31:50
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• 31:53
  Speaker 2: Thanks for listening, and when things get weird, act normally